Jocko Podcast 125 w/ Echo Charles: Excuses, Playing The Game, Good Decision Making

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0:00:00 - Opening
0:00:19 - A "Reason" VS an Excuse".
0:10:03 - Questioning your leadership.
0:16:11 - Arrogant Jerks in Jiu Jitsu.
0:28:04 - Do Leadership principles change with major growth of a company?
0:34:35 - "Playing the Game" for success, contrasted with "Agreeableness".
0:51:01 - Good decision making VS Good outcome.
1:03:44 - Getting better at Jiu jItsu
1:16:04 - Does Discipline ever fail you?
1:18:40 - Support.
1:43:05 - Closing Gratitude.

[@blooeagle5118]

Hey Jocko! Just wanted to say a thing or two. I was really overweight when I found you and your podcast. Maybe about 280-285 lbs out of easily 290 lbs on my weight loss journey. You preached about discipline, and willpower and all these other great things that I absorbed and put into my mindset. I actively search for the good in every situation. I strive to make myself better. And finally after a year of work and nearly 100 lbs lost, I weigh 198 lbs as of this morning and dropping, I am on my way to Marine Corps Recruit Training next month. This may be lost in the comments but I couldn't be more thankful for the time you spend educating people on bettering themselves the best way you know how, and talking about stories of heroes and their courage and the pure will to continue and never quit on themselves, and improving aspects of our lives and our outlook on life. I appreciate everything you do, and everything you're about and your powerful words as a leader. If I never found your podcast, I'd have probably given up on my dream long ago last year in mid august when everything in my body said "Quit". Keep getting after Jocko, you know for damn sure I will!

[@usbgus]

The only podcast where I listen to the sales pitch at the end and enjoi every second of it

[@el5495]

straight up.

[@joeebanks646]

I havent listened yet but will give it a shot then

[@luckyluca7384]

@@joeebanks646 Get after it.

[@AngryOscillator]

I actually look forward to it! Get me some Echo time

[@cookiecrusher0875]

"I'm hanging on by a thread" *waves knife* 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jeffmcdougall9069]

Classic Jocko. Also, where did he get that knife?? lol

[@shizzle1903]

Needed that

[@BradPitbull]

IF I SEE ECHO IN THE MORNING I GOTTA SAY... GOOD EVENING!!!

[@metalslug38]

The balance of knowledge and lightheart makes this podcast very interesting and fun to listen to

[@quentinhunter1562]

Jocko’s favorite word is “Dichotomy.” EVERY PODCAST he says it a looooot. Lol

[@Compton2952]

Good evening Gentlemen. Good to go. Salute

[@killerontheroad280]

I’m loving your book, Extreme Ownership!

[@lukezuzga6460]

1st full pod cast watched, hooked. Thanks for the free, "good" advice because advice generally is worth what you paid for it!

[@travistaylor6110]

I drive an hour to work every day. However, I leave 1 hour and 45 mins early (work at 4, I leave at 2:15) in the event that something happens on the two highways and one interstate I have to take to work. Something like a wreck or just abnormally heavy traffic happens, I have a 45 min buffer to get to work. In the event I get to work unobstructed (98% of the time), I have the benefit of sitting in the nice, cool A/C sipping a cold drink and reading whatever book I'm on for 35 - 45 solid minutes before clocking into work. Win/Win.

[@IrishTechnicalThinker]

Going into town tomorrow at 10am to buy high level boxing boots. So I can, Get After It! Inspirational podcasts! Thank you Jocko!

[@joeasbel5897]

CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE I CAN LISTEN WHEN THEY ARE LIVE

[@larab5515]

So how do you integrate knife gestures into tactful conversation? Definitley need a 101 on this topic! :D

[@promis40k]

Jocko looks like Thanos.

[@Viriyascybin]

promis40k THANOS WAS OVER A YEAR AGO? WHAY

[@seanflynn781]

Echo Charles really stepped it up this time.

[@lukezuzga6460]

Sean Flynn Yeah this is the most he added and it was good stuff. He is, I think, post to be the host type dude, however.

[@joerighetti4658]

Echo should avoid arguing with jocko at all cost. Jocko is hangin on by a thread. So great.

[@DanielWelsch]

LMAO over Echo Charles' origin story at the end.

[@oklahomafool2420]

Eyyy I actually got to a podcast that was released less than a day ago!!

[@dandimit5104]

The lighting is creative. Pretty f’n great...

[@cashsbullies]

Only difference in an excuse and a reason is perspective most of the time

[@dandimit5104]

I love the Q & As

[@coachkota1774]

Please get Marcus & Morgan on the podcast 😬💪🏼

[@bamawebdev8640]

Regarding the question about "playing the game" and Peterson's statements about agreeableness: I believe Jordan would tell you to keep one foot in Order and the other in Chaos - I.E. Tread the line, adjusting one way or the other when necessary.

[@mattb7234]

One of the things that I do, for example when I have to be at school, appointment, etc. at ...lets say 0700. I will tell my self constantly that I have to be there at 0630...basically the day before or few days before to solidify it in my mind that anything later than that, I am late... helps me stay on time and I am notorious for being late....just some advice

[@behdadjamshidi]

I heard about your podcast from Joe Rogan :). I'm happy i stubmled across it. Looking forward to listening to more of these.

[@steffenw.brandenstein9656]

I remember when I started at Jiu Jitsu, though japanese, my Sensei a 60yo man put me in a choke and jokingly said "This is your worst nightmare". I was "hooked" from that day. It was both humbling and so awesome at the same time.

[@tactileinput]

You need to get Lieutenant General Richard E. "Tex" Brown III on the podcast.

[@nicksmith5400]

You should do green or black teas also. White tea is dope too though.

[@dstir23]

With love

[@mantexas9033]

Anybody know which part talks about stiffling your emotions? Is it on this episode.

[@willcody12]

Before 300

[@paulmurphy3922]

Pfft, Echo is a unit.

[@SapientSpaceApe]

I think they have this backwards. An excuse is a legitimate reason, as it excuses you. Whereas not all reasons are excuses, and therefore do not excuse, but are merely explanations for failure wherein the failing party is still at fault.

[@jpeeps76]

Well that provoked some deep thought on my end. Valid point.

[@yangtroy1]

Ryan O'Leary lol what is this, ownership algebra u know what he meant

[@Adrian101882]

+Troy Yang Jocko and Echo opened the door to an all-out semantic dissection with that 10 minute opener

[@SapientSpaceApe]

Extreme ownership algebra.

[@patrickkelly7100]

They are referring to making excuses for behavior that is within control of the individual making the excuse. Example: I manage a moving company in Dallas. Traffic is ridiculous in Dallas, around Dallas, and to Dallas. However, there are a crazy amount of alternate routes to and from anywhere in the metroplex. I never validate and "excuse" someone for being late due to traffic. There are too many news, traffic, and weather apps/websites that inform you of delays that the excuse is invalid. If the issue can be overcome with a modicum of effort, it is not an excuse.

[@NFT2]

O SHIT ITS ANOTHER Q AND A

[@mahalramos1471]

big lesson for me: keep pet peeves to myself. people dont need to know what they are. Roger that.

[@seanrosini5476]

Does discipline help with paying attention, sometimes I tune people out and im trying to prevent that

[@TheHypernaught]

I totally relate to that mate. My mind wonders all the time when people are explaining stuff to me at work.

[@ceddosamurai]

Congrats to Dan Crenshaw on winning the nomination!

[@pacificwonderland6863]

Excuses can be legit, though as my wife said to me once "you can lie to me, but you can't lie to yourself." Only you know if an excuse is valid, regardless if others excuse you, take ownership when you put yourself in a failing situation and learn...

[@ntuzumafullgospel6800]

Don’t do what you think people want you to do, dont do that- the red queen

[@noahmccormick525]

Echo "semantics" Charles

[@SornGeorge]

48:40 with all due respect Jocko, that’s not what I have seen in my own experience. This is not to say that playing the game for your team doesn’t work. It’s the virtuous path. But if you look at the board of directors in most multinational corporations, you will find the majority being career sociopaths that have many proverbial skeletons in their closet. It’s a very competitive game that promotes and rewards viciousness between departments and even within teams, due to the limited paths to career advancement and limited capital/resources to be allocated between teams. And senior management is mostly blind to this, as they don’t like people who are playing by different rules than the ones they played to get where they are. Being mindful of this while being true to yourself and playing “the game” is probably the path that you owe yourself to take.

[@theviking5923]

Been catching up on the podcasts earlier episodes (63 is a personal favourite) and I hope you dont mind but i made this from the intro to episode 64 soundcloud.com/the-bearded-bard/warrior I am not selling the song in any way, i was just inspired.

[@neilburnside4639]

Can't wait for Dave Goggins to be on the show

[@TheHypernaught]

Goggins would be a brilliant guest. I have to wonder why he hasn't been on before? Goggins has said on the JRE that many ex SEALS don't like him.

[@cojojojo8964]

Didn't know Echo is his real name. It's cool just dk.

[@brandensmith7703]

Say "JOCKO Crush" in a podcast, I'd laugh my ass off LoL

[@hounddog2952]

Excuses = I blame myself . Reason = I blame myself . Mirror = I blame myself . When you realize the things you go throughout life is 100 % self , then you understand the choices 1 makes rather male or female . I digress

[@josecavazos1869]

Get Adam Kokesh on the podcast.

[@bamawebdev8640]

God no.

[@kevincloinger3328]

tsa pre done

[@DUDERZ_]

Ive always mixed protein powder with water, must be something wrong with me lol

[@yangtroy1]

Austin Williams gym bro checking in lol

[@slugger1983]

Damn. I thought Echo's name was just a code name Jocko gave him to protect his identity or something.

[@joshuabeckett9325]

Tito Ortiz’s real dad is Jocko Willink

[@armandeepkhangura4864]

About to start doin bjj

[@yangtroy1]

Armandeep Khangura yea boiii

[@noahmccormick525]

Jocko 17:40

[@ruinned]

Alright, this was not the best. I'm at the part where you're both giving your stance on "playing the game", but Jocko is saying that if you're only out for yourself you won't get anywhere. Well, by definition playing the game is abiding by the rules/cooperating with those around you. Therefore, you are already doing them that service even if your end goals are your own. You really don't owe anyone anything more than that. In fact, you shouldn't give anyone more than that. No one is going to see the world exactly as you do or want the things you want for yourself more than you do. So yes, be kind- be cooperative at work/in relationships- but don't submit internally to the standards that are below yours when you want more for yourself.

[@SpaceMod2]

Echo is great, but he needs to work on being more concise and to-the-point with his comments.

[@el5495]

he's just being him brawh

[@kevg1869]

Something I struggle with. Less is more.

[@airbornefister1834]

Reason = Logic....Excuses = BULL CRAP...

[@el5495]

podcast chee bo ha!

[@amazingatheist4751]

How is laughing at a joke you don't think is funny just to impress your boss not being a brown noser?

[@donnysouthwell4081]

Thumbs down for the random ads in the middle of the video

[@BostonsF1nest]

God damn Echo less is more dude. Stop rambling