Jocko Willink and Jordan Peterson on Accountability

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Excerpt from JOCKOPODCAST 98

[@arnie24070127]

Warriors and philosophers talking about leadership. It's awesome

[@PinkYellowGreen2023]

Accountability is the ultimate grown up move that many never make. To acknowledge the role you played in a situation good or bad is to show empathy for yourself and others. It means to realize that the facade of always being right is just that - a facade. To so many Americans,being accountable for the way their actions effect others is a lesson never learned.

[@Westonator5000]

We're not allowed to have pens anymore at the office I work at, because apparently some people draw on their desks, and something about productivity. Treating everyone like children because of a few troublemakers. We need Jocko XD

[@ffnovice7]

Consider applying for dozens of jobs while you're finishing up there.

[@zaynumar0]

Sounds like socialism

[@trevorfranks69]

Writing bad, technology good

[@zaynumar0]

@@trevorfranks69 four legs good , two legs bad

[@kdemetter]

"Leave me the hell alone so I can do my work" . That's so recognizable. I do understand it though : managers do need figures in order to be able to make predictions, and for example to be able to show that more resources need to be hired. They have to negotiate with their managers for more resources after all.

[@cjbarna]

Your point is spot on K, but I think what's really bedrock here is that if you "leave them the hell alone", managers are then "tracking progress" as opposed to "setting quotas". Yes, there's overlap in those 2 thoughts but one is over-seeing and the other is enforcing. You're correct, managers do need to have predictive data. But ideally it would be based on numbers achieved instead of numerical quotas enforced. Peace...

[@FeWolf]

Coming off Clonazepam is a mother, they put me on it, with 7 days I started having uncontrol muscle moment, they had to wing me off slowly, for someone who been on it awhile it has to tough, he knew he had a problem beyond his control, recognition of this, is good, hats of to JP

[@tomw4918]

Had to come off a high/long term dose of Lorazepam myself on two separate occasions. Its rough and takes a long time to feel decent again. Good to hear you got off it and good to hear JP is getting help.

[@TheKurisu90]

1:47 Jocko and Jordan talking about Brexit without realising it

[@S2Cents]

Talking about people voting for Brexit or the politicians and media establishment working to keep it from happening.

[@spfbaits]

"people are willing to take a hit to get justice" the majority know that it's not about economics, we want what we voted for.

[@alexnorth3393]

@@S2Cents It's hardline brexiteers and hardline remainers that have slowed brexit. I voted remain and maintain it was the right choice.

[@S2Cents]

@@alexnorth3393 hardline, meaning actual brexit or some altered compromise a majority of voters did not vote for and pass? Anyway, sorry about your country.

[@DONALD1951]

My son James loved Jocko. Went to his boot camp in California.

[@CharlesKyle97]

Where is his boot camp? I want to go.

[@Westonator5000]

oh shit, i gotta listen to this podcast

[@Elevateyourlife100]

Thank You Much 😊

[@jamesembrey3100]

Dragons? Good.

[@malkavian6275]

I love this duo

[@izawaniek2568]

Absolutely true. Thank you.

[@thepsychocybe7078]

The whole accountability thing is becoming a real issue these days. It's the sign of a struggling company. It truly is the worst for the most productive employees. The less productive employees don't have much of a problem with it because they don't care how much time they waste logging and emailing verification every step of the way.

[@Mo-pm2oi]

4:56 - "Sums up my loss in trust in trying to negotiate to ..."

[@irisgonzalez-caulder4817]

I wrote about this today 2:00 - 2 2:09 - 20

[@soniagaviraYT]

Comes at the end but TRUST is key in any relationship, be it between individuals or in a team - without it there is no understanding or ownership of what needs to be done and definitely no willingness to actually want to do what needs to be done

[@madhusharma9824]

Hooyah chief , just got extreme ownership delivered . Read 15 pages , you and Leif nailed it .🤙

[@jmpriester]

Love the clip, but the last 20 seconds is pure gold for all the teachers out there expected to have anecdotal notes on everything.

[@Mo-pm2oi]

6:11 "Sums up exactly what i've been communicating around myself, when do I meet people ...need to quit smoking 4 me ... just need to remember that the fallen fell due to corruption/disruption of the communication inside, between and outside those that fell their bodies... than recognize personal anatomical difference from norm and always flee and never debate a or an angry mob(ster)"

[@DONALD1951]

Both awesome people.

[@alexnorth3393]

JP is a vile fraud.

[@thundergrace]

How am I going to get to work

[@darrellcollins877]

yup

[@melanzane3611]

Jocks is good. But JP brings out the best of Jocko. Two great guys with worlds different life experiences, yet exploring aligned life truths. We are better humans for both these dudes.

[@ffnovice7]

@Bertie Selsdon are you vegan bro?

[@brettlaw920]

Reevaluate on multiple paradigms like Samuel L. Jackson's musings on the verse he would recite in Pulp Fiction.

[@tomerbella]

Based on your experience with leadership, is there an effective way to instil peer accountability? Where team members are engaging and comfortable enough to hold each other accountable? Or is it a top-down system from leadership onwards? Thank you so much!

[@JL-ih1ws]

I also would love to know this

[@jackjack4412]

I have this same question in regards to personal growth. Environment is hugely positive for growth but at the end of the day discipline must come from within (according to Jocko and many leaders.) I'm wondering if I should look to my close circle for motivation.

[@AM-nq7yk]

YESSS 🙌

[@nd6148]

When was this recorded?? Is Peterson back home?

[@Meathed.fitnessmedia]

Thinking the same thing...

[@frankierodriguez8420]

Excerpt from podcast 98. In the description

[@StoneysWorkshop]

while back. Good podcast though

[@PaperRaines]

I was wondering the same thing. Would've had my undying respect if they recorded this *from* the rehab clinic 😂😂 Rehab? Good

[@RikodiusRex]

Spay the day.

[@cpfrgb]

When out of Rogan... there is Jocko! + Peterson..., we are so spoiled...

[@JacobPaprotskiy1]

what was that?

[@jamalhaider5304]

👊

[@bobbyblazes1]

Hopefully Mr Peterson can come out even better. Much love, poor guy has been through a thresher

[@ffnovice7]

@Bertie Selsdon how did he hurt you?

[@bobbyblazes1]

@Bertie Selsdon lol

[@ffnovice7]

@Bertie Selsdon fair point bucko.

[@strangers7022]

3 wise men.

[@alexnorth3393]

JP is a fraud.

[@meherbabagod-man1831]

💖💖💘💘💕💕

[@sashatagger3858]

Hahahaha!!!! Jocko nails it here. He is describing arrogant asshole bosses I have worked with over the years who mistreated me. They didn't realise that after I left their companies that they were in for sabotage when I reviewed their workplaces afterwards, told the public what it was really like to work for them.

[@AM-nq7yk]

Low morale over ego image is not productivity

[@thundergrace]

Watching desolation of smaug!

[@philipgalardi]

Jocko sounds like Jordan here. Anyone else notice that?

[@Chuckfinlee432]

The man is brains, don't let the exterior fool you. My life changed after reading his book. Even when I fail I remember accountability, I've blamed people less when there's problems, I think it's a petty human instinct to look for a scape goat, like adrenaline mixed with fear and confusion. We must be rational and logical in this life. When we do that we can then be strategic with purpose.

[@Meathed.fitnessmedia]

Is he out?

[@ConnerGregory]

I heard everyone that disliked this video is currently a missing person

[@surrendersurvive7825]

Imagine that Jocko and Peterson recorded this while Peterson is in rehab. Would it surprise you? No, cuz both are BAMF's.

[@thundergrace]

If you tyrannize people badly enough they'll hurt themselves to hurt you?; What?Clarification and examplebplease... How do?

[@miltonpopper4181]

For example, people might be willing to let a project fail, and not make a deadline, thereby missing a financial bonus that they would have gotten if they made the deadline, because they know that that failed project/deadline will cause absolute havoc for the tyrant manager to deal with. In this case, they are willing to take a financial hit (hurt) to cause a lot of stress, potential ruin, (hurt) etc. for the tyrant.

[@TheDoctor1225]

Think "Whatever it takes." People will do anything, endure anything, take any kind of hardship that could come their way just to GET you or GET BACK at you in some perceived way, when you are a boss that is tyrannical. Loss of bonus? Don't care as long as it hurts the boss. Loss of prestige to themselves or the company? Don't care as long as it hurts the boss. No good reference because I left without notice but by doing so it screws over the department and thereby screws over the boss? Don't care. It is, in a way, pettiness taken to the nth degree.

[@chriswilliams6896]

The American revolution, and pretty much every revolution, and civil war in every country ever.

[@a.k.4o]

Was this guy a seal?

[@6_pains]

AK 4o you mean if Jocko was a SEAL? Yeah he was. He and his team participated in the battle of Ramadi in Iraq.

[@thundergrace]

I can beat Jocko!!! Lol 😁😀

[@MrBirgerB]

In speed knitting?

[@thundergrace]

@@MrBirgerB I don't knit.... But that sounds good. 😁😀

[@TXP9]

Good...is what he’d say.

[@kingxxi8301]

First biatch

[@ExtremelyTastyBread]

Still milking old JBP footage for content

[@pogotheclown6088]

Something even an executive leader must face under the rule of law. Also, fig nuts. That is all.

[@Tits101st]

Jocko, Your opinion on accountability has one fundamental flaw, and that is the corruptible spirit of mankind. As the saying goes “ The path to hell is paved in good intentions.” What you should likely be referring to is micromanagement and not accountability. Our Republic has a Bill of Rights, Federal laws and a Constitution. These are the framework that holds our nation together and successful organizations live by or die by their motivation to follow rules. Those that break these rules should be punished. Punishment is a tool used to hold those that fail accountable and failing to do so becomes a normalized deviation. Once this process starts it is likely to expand and destroy the host. Mistakes will happen, but when motivated individuals make a mistake, they should count themselves lucky for not being caught. If they are caught, discretion can be used, but only when absolutely necessary. Your Community is currently experiencing the destructive power of losing accountability and failing to maintain standards. NSW is wrestling with this and so is the rest of SOF. SEAL Commanders are writing their NPC Thesis on how to fix this problem. Would you let an untested SEAL Platoon under your Command conduct a raid without ensuring they were proficient during training? What if they fail, would you hold them accountable if it was due to their actions?

[@KarenTookTheKids364]

Take your damn pills Jordan

[@mikimiyazaki]

Shut your fuckhole

[@mikimiyazaki]

@Bertie Selsdon how the fuck do you know who should or shouldn't be on medication? And what the fuck have you ever done for millions of people like Jordan has lol. You and your feminist, PC culture deuchebags are 0 to Jordan in every sense of the word lol.

[@BarnBear]

I hope Peterson holds himself accountable for his meth addiction, lies, and for leading young men astray.

[@ryanturner8577]

Says he's full of energy, lost a ton of weight, and cured his depression from the carnivore diet on Joe Rogan. That's what speed does jordan. That's why you couldn't sleep and didn't "sleep for 25 days." Dude is a liar and a fraud. Benzo addiction does the exact opposite.

[@mulan2010]

A B If you don’t like the channel. Just leave. Your opinion is of no value to anyone. You don’t know what you are talking about. Just leave.

[@PaperRaines]

Meth addiction? Wtf are you talking about

[@VestigialHead]

@@ryanturner8577 Is this just a troll? Do you actually believe the nonsense you just spouted? How is he a liar and a fraud? He is a teacher who has some very realistic views of life and a strong understanding of societal concepts and causes.

[@ryanturner8577]

@@VestigialHead You can still take value from some of the things he has said, which I have myself, but understand that he is indeed a charlatan. He's exposed himself as a hypocrite many times. I'm surprised anyone still follows him. Re watch his podcast with Joe Rogan with an open mind. He lies the entire podcast, especially with his diet and health.

[@thundergrace]

Jordan Peterson is so annoying.