Joe Biden stoked after VW workers vote overwhelmingly to join the UAW

Joe Biden gloats after VW workers vote overwhelmingly to join the UAW
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[@punditgi]

Sam jokes about VW labor organizing in the USA but won't touch the massive layoffs at Tesla. Very confusing and disheartening. 😢

[@juliahello6673]

Every company has layoffs. Grow up.

[@asitraining7664]

I'm pretty sure that the big three auto manufacturers - UAW shops had some pretty good layoffs after the big union power grab last year.

[@howardj602]

Union workers in the United States were responsible for creating the highest standard of living, in the world that resulted in a middle class workforce. Until, the leadership of the Reagan Administration declared war on them in the 1980s. At that time nearly 35 percent of the the workers belonged to unions. After decades of right wing propagana that convinced the work force that unions were evil, around 10% of the workforce is unionized. Since that time, the standard of living of the workforce in the U.S. has decreased to the point were many of them have become the working poor. Their wages have remained basically stagnate for the past 40 years. With some common benefits being eliminated from their compensation altogether. This left many, some working 2 and 3 jobs dependent upon government subisides for the basic necessities of human existence, food, clothing, housing, and medical care. Not to mention the fact that in order to get a higher education for a better job, they become saddled with an enomous debt that financially cripples them. In the coming years with the increasing introduction of AI into the automation and advanced computerized process, there will be a need for a Guaranteed Basic Income to provide for those basic necessities, and share in the benefits of those labor saving devices. Fat Chance!

[@amandagrant4331]

Tesla, Toyota and Hyundai‘s factories all need UAW.

[@TreDeuce-qw3kv]

Well, thanks Howard for saving me writing essentially the same thing. I will just add that because we have a 'Middle-class' we still have a Democracy and the middle-class will continue to be essential in supporting our Democracy and the democracies around the world. The 40+ year attack on the middle-class may be coming to and end, but the challenge to it goes on by corporations and Republicans and corporate Democrats. They have enslaved us to a depreciating dollar and diminished wages and buying power. They are doing it again by applying excessive profits to products and services and blaming it on hard fought for raises in the minimum-wage and other wages/incomes And Sam, Joe Biden is sincere in his support of the Middle-class and Unions. Apparently you haven't been paying attention to US politics of late. Biden has been front & center in support of unions and increasing the living wage and employing Americans with good jobs. He knows that a sound and healthy middle-class is essential to preserving our Democracy and what that means to the rest of the world. Our version of the shining light on the hill may dim on occasion(GAZA/Ukraine & other situations), but it is still there so there is still hope for a civil progressive world.

[@100c0c]

That only worked because they didn't need to compete with foreign workers. When they started competing with Japan, the UAW had a tantrum.

[@billcichoke2534]

NOT. All you've done is suck value out of successful companies and industries, and cost jobs. And you're doing it again, just when we can really NOT afford to do it. This isn't an improvement of standards, this is another surge in layoffs following every ararbitrary increase in the minimum wage. Great plan, union thugs.

[@autoselectricos-americalat9276]

As long as the auto executives keep earining outrageous millionaire salaries, the auto assemblers would think there is enough money for them if they become unionized. Auto executives need to shrink their salaries whenever the company starts to loose money.

[@juliahello6673]

Auto executives create way more money for their companies than their salaries. Companies do not make a set amount of money. They can make more or less. So an employee who can greatly influence that will earn more.

[@autoselectricos-americalat9276]

@@juliahello6673 Really? When GM went bankrupt and the USA government had to bail them out, the GM executives did not see their salaries reduced. With Too Big To Fail, executives are in fact rewarded for poor performance.

[@juliahello6673]

@@autoselectricos-americalat9276 I don't understand your reasoning. Let me give you another example. NBA players get paid a lot. They didn't used to get paid much because the NBA didn't make as much money as it does now. But now a tiny difference in player ability can make a team win (and get lots of money) or lose (and lose a lot of money). If a team loses a streak of games, the players do not get a pay cut as punishment (which I'm assuming you're saying the GM execs should). If anything, the pay should be increased because that would attract better players, and the increase in pay would be earned back many times because the team would get much more money.

[@autoselectricos-americalat9276]

@@juliahello6673 It's quite simple. In capitalism both the executives and the blue collar workers are entitled to be greedy. If you think only the executives are entitled to be greedy, that's feudalism. And that is what the USA is becoming, a feudalist society with no middle class.

[@pcproffy]

VW is more open to unions because they are common in Europe.

[@andromedach]

if only we had EU style unions here instead of the thug based extensions of political parties variety here

[@howardj602]

VW fought this tooth and nail since the first effort in 2014. They had company spies working along side production workers in order to find out who the organizers were . And then they fired them.

[@unclefatbloke]

I am surprised they weren't already unionized! They all are in Germany!

[@bruceburns1672]

The Huns might be Unionised but they are not like the anachist Unions in all the Anglo countries who just have their handout for never ending wage rises and entitlements, the Unions gutted the British auto manufacturing, completely wiped it out in Australia, they don't manufacture autos in NZ anymore but no doubt the Unions had their hand in that outcome, here in Australia before they shut down, the Manager of Toyota Aust.said Australia is the only country in the world where one third of the workforce is off Monday and Friday on sick leave.

[@user-nf4st5kn6l]

Thats why there is no innovation in Germany.😢😂😢

[@robertwoodhouse-bm7kt]

VW closing German factories and moving production to China. VW laying off 125,000 employees in Germany.

[@francismarion6400]

Germany has a love/hate relationship with Socialism.

[@francismarion6400]

Germany has a love/hate relationship with Socialism.

[@Janizzary]

Shawn Fain is the first UAW leader to be elected via direct elections. He isn't your typical union leader in that he's been pushing for the first general strike in the US since 1926.

[@billcichoke2534]

And he will be responsible for losing every auto manufacturing job that USED to be done in the U.S. Bet the brain dead union thugs won't even bat an eye and blame 'greedy execs' and 'cheap customers.'

[@johnclark2212]

It is a fact that in the U S when unions shrink, the middle class shrinks! When unions expand, the middle class expands!

[@amigajoe]

Would’ve been nice if you discussed their current pay versus expected union pay and benefits seems to me that if VW wanted to avoid a union, they should’ve added bonuses or increase pay before the vote

[@jongreen3712]

Current wages are 24 start 30 an hour top out . I used to work there . They got massive benefits and still complained ..

[@EnriqueThiele]

VW will not be able to reduce their expences in the amount of $30 billion if cost increases inn the US. More layoff at VW will come in a short amount of time.

[@SlowhandGreg]

only 10% of manufacturing costs are now down to labour that is decreasing with more automation while CEO pay has gone through the roof with decades of wage suppression

[@toyotaprius79]

If only the other comments were clever enough to see that reality

[@EnriqueThiele]

And more robotys will be installed. Any manufacturer has to have profits. Increasing the cost og manufactured good is never a good option.

[@antoinepageau8336]

I feel bad for those employees who worked harder than others. Those who are motivated to achieve higher positions and expand their horizons. The union has made sure that they will not be able to outperform and if I were one of them, I’d look for work elsewhere. Refuse union jobs!

[@andromedach]

don't forget all the union bosses making many times their average union member makes and during the strikes these bosses took home their full pay while the union members were stuck with their paltry strike pay which the UAW REFUSED to increase.

[@mikewallace8087]

@@andromedach and what will happen to TESLA workers laid off?

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Perfect. Now VW has to calculate about 20-25% less output into their cost structure.

[@SlowhandGreg]

only 10% of manufacturing costs are now down to labour that is decreasing with more automation while CEO pay has gone through the roof

[@whowhy9023]

@@SlowhandGregVW is already loosing money on every EV they sell & Tesla just dropped their prices 2k on all model Y’s. The union will just make VW loose hope & close the US plants.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@whowhy9023 VW is used to converse with Unions. Half of VW Germany - the mother load - belongs to or is at least adminsitered by Unions. That is not "the" problem. The problem is that despite the Unions the productivity of German workers is high comparted throughout the indutry. Whether Unionized or not. And THAT will change significantly in the US.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@SlowhandGreg I do not find anything about 10%. I find wildly varying figures that say between 6.5% and 25% of the COGS is direct labor cost. Lets use a median about 15%. Lets say the cost goes up by 10% and productivity goes down by 20% - very conservative assumptions. The cost of a car which is - just as an example - currently, BU - before UAW 20K the current labor cost is there for 3K. After UAW its 3x1,1/,8 + 17K = 21.125,-- VW must raise the prices for the ID.4 made in in Chattanooga by about 1.500,-- US$ to be able to still make "some" profit.

[@btrts6431]

@@wolfgangpreier9160It’s difficult to compare labor unions with Germany and the US. In Germany, you have skilled workforce that can be highly efficient. Have you seen the workforce in these UAW plants? I don’t know how some of them fit in the car to attach pieces. Joining the UAW will not result in a better car for the consumer. More production will move to Mexico.

[@haklin5650]

relazing the triple down economy is not working to late to do anything

[@user-gh6kl7vu7b]

With the looming thread of robots taking my job, I too would like to unionise!

[@dbsimona]

As a VW worker and a UAW supporter, I like the video clips of the workers... in the training room, not on the floor. Half of our equipment/tools don't work properly & our work standards don't work, resulting in numerous injuries. Sick days don't exist even with a doctor's note. We are not treated well at all. So we voted for representation, regardless of what politicians that don't work or have stepped foot in out plant say. It's our safety and we'll being that was important. I'm proud to be a union man now and proud to be a member of UAW LOCAL 42!

[@kipper2k]

so now VW will soon find reasons to close its doors in the USA and lay off workers or/and start automating more processes. a major lose for uaw

[@eri4ever466]

Sam, I'm a big fan of your channel and have watched hundreds of episodes. I must say that I'm not a fan of your dislike of labor unions in the US. Given the "at-will" employment laws in most of the United States, the ability to have a union offering collective bargaining and having additional job protection afforded by labor unions is the only power workers have left in the US.

[@TheJoeSwanon]

Well said!

[@toyotaprius79]

Exactly this

[@yuglesstube]

US employment terms are crap

[@johnfurr6060]

Is the USA workers can literally quite "at will" and take a better job. Unions were needed once upon a time, but they are complete rubish at this time. Never needed or wanted to be in a union. If I don't like my company I find a different company to work for. Simple. It's called freedom.

[@yuglesstube]

@@johnfurr6060 That's not very well thought through is it. Are truckers better off today than when they had the Teamsters? Why do pilots have good unions? Because they're smarter than truckers, I'd suggest.

[@murdelabop]

Keep in mind, VW encouraged unionization at the plant. In the past VW wanted to include workers groups in its management structure in a similar way to what they do in Europe. Under Tennessee law the only way they could do that was to unionize. VW has wanted this for a decade. Union Yes!

[@rogermckenzie2711]

No wonder Elon sees a big future for robots in the workplace.

[@RWBHere]

In all of my working career, I only worked at one place which was a union closed shop. That was the only place where there was a disconnect between the manual workforce and management. At every other job, most of which had some union membership, people worked together much better for the benefit of all, A small sample here, but was it a coincidence? I don't think so.

[@ravencroftgraphics3d]

and the layoffs at VW will start soon too, just like at ford and gm...

[@lawrenceasero2207]

Just like the layoffs just started at Tesla

[@robertn2951]

Elon Musk said that Tesla workers don't need unions because they get bonuses every time the stocks move upwards. How are things going for them nowadays? Are they getting fired?

[@CCARL11]

It shows that workers want security and to not have to worry about layoffs from bosses that care little about their lives.

[@EnriqueThiele]

They will have massive layoff, and will, sart b efore the endo of this year.

[@charlesrovira5707]

And they all going to be laid off because their employers are going bankrupt.

[@Thunderrolls87]

All these anti union trolls on here think differently

[@Bikerbug2020]

Ford and GM and Stellantis all FIRED folks after the recent Union Contract… Unions are poison.

[@BMWHP2]

And that is a fake security. Guess who is making money . . . . the union bosses. In a few years those human slaves will be hit by layoffs anyway. Other car producers use robots, that is a lot cheaper.

[@rose415]

Yes they were ready, corp would have used that capital for stock buybacks. Boeing in Seattle $45 an hour Boeing is S.Caroline $20 an hour

[@Devo491]

Why am I not surprised that an Elon fan would be a union hater?

[@charlesrovira5707]

They might win a battle and yet lose the war. The line workers will be replaced with humanoid robots and be unprepared to get laid off. Then who needs all the office workers that were there to support them?

[@edm3184]

Look at them all cheering at giving more reasons for AI to replace them.

[@davidpearn5925]

How can you keep costs down if they expect to be treated as being valued members rather than cheap labourers ?. The red state pollies can't be sacked (gerrymandering) so do nothing for their constituents. US politics is a scam .

[@howardj602]

It will probably replace you also.

[@eri4ever466]

So, your attitude is to let highly organized, well-funded and autocratic corporate executives do as they please? Are you sure these corporate overlords wouldn't prefer a real robot which would be more productive and compliant than humans?

[@primurph]

Working people would be making a big mistake not unionizing.I’m glad to see that the workers weren’t intimidated by the anti worker politicians.

[@ncascadehiker]

In Tennessee. Didn’t know that.

[@markfowler2066]

I live in Chattanooga and this is a really sad day for these people, who are my neighbors. The plant will close soon and those who joined the union will have to disclose this on their next job applications. Unless they have seen the errors of their ways and can convince future employers they will join the ranks of the unemployable. After this there is no way I will buy a VW, which are already not competitive and overpriced, even with $10,000 discount. Praying for them.

[@tommoeller4618]

I agree with Walter E Williams. Economic prosperity helps workers the most effectively.

[@tony0x48]

Right now you have protectionist policies in place putting barriers in the way of cars that aren't manufactured in the USA from the US market, and because of that, these workers think they don't have to worry about being competitive with workers elsewhere. And in the case of the Ford and GM workers at least, they figure those companies are "too big to fail", and if they crash and burn , the government will bail them out (again). But I think in the long term, that kind of thinking will catch up with them. I think companies will prioritise automating many of those jobs out of existence, I think they will prioritise investing in places with lower labour costs, I think eventually the protectionist policies will swing the other way, and they won't be able to compete. I hope they enjoy their short-lived victory though.

[@Thunderrolls87]

Why do people hate union auto workers so much? Im not one. But i just wonder why is there so much hatred for them. If you go back 50 years ago for example when the big 3 had most employees they ever had in the US the economies of so many places were great. Its good for workers and communities if workers have a voice.

[@chillfluencer]

Workers having to be competitive is utter nonsense. Companies, CEOs have to be - by having the better ideas and the better manufacturing techniques. Workers don't get paid for that.

[@chillfluencer]

You assume there will be labor anywhere in the world within the next decades. That's cute.

[@nicholasyoung2794]

@@Thunderrolls87 not the workers how UAW is ran

[@nicholasyoung2794]

UAW basically tax the workers with union dues so the workers hang on until the company closes their doors is this a good thing or bad thing?

[@dereknicol5284]

Another nail in VWs coffin.

[@mrmawson2438]

United Auto Workers will be out of work soon

[@katzgar]

meth troll

[@pcproffy]

Y'all have been using that same scare tactic for 70 years

[@JoeyBlogs007]

Yep. Tesla will be the only manufacturer left standing.

[@ohyesitsme]

@@JoeyBlogs007 Except that they are not doing too good

[@vic321344]

@@ohyesitsme Better than anybody else.

[@samuellee4192]

I wonder if the UAW believes the proper solution to the problem of robots replacing people is to unionize the robots and charge them dues.

[@scottstormcarter9603]

I am just guessing, but they probably don't believe robots are about to take their jobs.

[@howardj602]

I'm sure all the employers are sigining up for the Universal Basic Income pledge.

[@scottmcshannon6821]

@@scottstormcarter9603 that just prove how idiotic they are.

[@JonathanRootD]

​@@scottmcshannon6821going off a guess proves how much you are.

[@scottmcshannon6821]

@@JonathanRootD so you are a union leg breaker?

[@AlvaroDiaz-sm8fc]

thats great!

[@ashtaroth1975]

Why they have to vote, here in Spain if one person wants to join a union they do. The working place has nothing to do with it.

[@daniele4568]

If you want a work environment like China (ie. 80 hour work week, required to live at the factory) then keep union bashing. If you want fair pay, join a union. Nothing would make corporations happier than to pay everyone minimum wage with no benefits.

[@vic321344]

If you want dead companies and closed factories, vote for unions.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

They will simply stop making cars in the US.

[@vernepavreal7296]

Sam Sam says Ford andGeneral Motors won’t be able to profit from EV’s Perhaps he means vehicle manufacturers won’t be able to profit at the expense of their workers Cheers

[@Jaw0lf]

If they are going to get much higher wages, the costs to make each car is going to increase. Also how can it promise job security, with the changing car market. Then add the robots that could now be added.

[@ohyesitsme]

How about the idea of paying the CEO and his staff a lot less and forthe company not to be too greedy with profits. Live and let live. I can only hope that they robotize your job and then you might see what you are suggesting.

[@fryaduck]

@electricviking Unions are great for wages and working conditions of the workers, something that they haven't had. The USA is notorious for poor pay rates and conditions for their workers. Since the wage accord in the 1980s in Australia wages have stagnated, unfortunately neither major Australian political parties, particularly the Liberal Lite (Labor party) don't have the intestinal fortitude to go against big business even though they say they are for (and founded) the workers. I highly doubt you'll respond to this as you seem to be a Scomo fanboi.

[@metricstormtrooper]

I reckon you're right, if he was in Murika he might even be voting trump.

[@DavidStahl-jo1zh]

As a union worker, if your productivity declines, should you be protected from job loss by the "safety net" called the union?

[@bricolagefantasy7291]

Robot will replace whatever left of Human labor in Utomobile industr y

[@howardj602]

Union workers have competency standards that they have to meet. The safety net the union provides it an assistance to a less streneous job, or a retirement based on disability.

[@oliver.thedentist9429]

VW just lost the North america market

[@user-ee9xd4gr2k]

Name me a union that makes a great ev

[@hamsterg0d]

Goodbye VW.

[@VictorianDad]

This is the first Electric Viking video I've watched in a few months, do I suppose the clickbait title worked. I had become less happy with the takes Sam, er, takes. Now this anti union rhetoric crystallises my unconscious unhappiness.

[@metrotrujillo]

VW is part owned by the german goverment, and the german law is very clear about having all workers in unions, even if facotries are overseas.

[@charlesrovira5707]

_VW workers vote overwhelmingly to join the UAW_ That will push the OEMs to using *Optimus* and similar humanoid robots much sooner.

[@steveschilling5966]

robots don't buy cars remember that.

[@howardj602]

As if they weren't going to use them as soon as they became available anyway.

[@yuglesstube]

Unions can resist this nationally and become the focal point of push back.

[@patrickkavanagh3504]

Tesla robots are not on the horizon.

[@howardj602]

@@patrickkavanagh3504 Even if they don't work there will others that will. They are coming and society is unprepared for the greatest social upheaval since the introduction of the printing press with movable type. --Unlimited knowledge for the masses.

[@JonathanRootD]

If Elon keeps it up I think Tesla could absolutely get Unionized and there worker's deserve it!

[@oscarm.1417]

Job security is the very last thing you get when you undermine the sustainability of your employer.

[@DumpTheDollar]

Eventually VW will have to close down this factory and retrench all these union workers.

[@teebone2157]

Nope. The US is VW largest car market

[@vic321344]

@@teebone2157 Nope, China is VW largest car market.

[@murdelabop]

Not likely. VW management has been trying to unionize the plant for a decade so they can use management structures that they understand from Europe.

[@christimmons389]

They are targeting BMW in South Carolina

[@scottstormcarter9603]

Hopefully this does not affect VW's ability to not go bankrupt.

[@stuartjohnson2289]

They unionised so that when VW cease manufacturing in the US they'll get better redundancy terms

[@mrmawson2438]

Morning mate

[@howardj602]

Beginning with the Reagan administration a vast propaganda effort began to convince people that unions were evil. With the decline of the the unions from 35% to 10% of the workforce. The standard of living for the American working class also declined. Wages and benefits remained stagnant, and failed to keep up with the cost of living increases. In 1981 the federal minimum wage was 3.35 until 1990, it was raised to $3.80. in 2009 it was increased to 7.25 where it remained. Until this year, 2024, when it was raised to $11.00. State minimums differ. However, 55 percent of the U.S. workforce works for minimum wage. That's why we need unions.

[@nealy2815]

Pro boss anti worker as usual Sam.

[@MaxMisterC]

I know! I don't get it. These client-class, supplicants resent any money going to those who build their wealth.

[@EnriqueThiele]

I will tell you what uniond do. In PR unions were at the sugar industry. The industri disapeared.. They were also in the clothes industry; disapperrted, in the cigar indistry dissapeared. In the shoes industry, also dissaperared. Pharmanceutical neve have it, still going. The amout of unioniozed workers drop to 3%. The goverment put a law fot government employees to uninize, with some restrains. Unions ignored the restrains. Aked more and more until PR become the largest bankrupcy in the US. That is what unions do. Ask, ask , ask until the indistry is no longer profitable and 100% of the workers found they have no jobs.

[@MaxMisterC]

@@EnriqueThiele those industries disappeared because of globalisation and the movement of American industry, out to cheaper workforces... policies which tax imports & invest in technology, will allow industry to keep ahead of alternative country's developments & protect American jobs..

[@MaxMisterC]

@@EnriqueThiele the American worker cannot compete directly with the bottom of the barrel economies of China & India... unless they live in equivalent squalor which is precisely what your argument has resulted in

[@metricstormtrooper]

​@@EnriqueThieleit's the owners who offshore jobs to increase there already obscene renumeration and profits.

[@freeflowtrader]

It wouldn’t make any difference tho, VW is not competitive, so it’s better to have union than not, we got any vw fans that gets angry from me saying that? No?

[@yuglesstube]

73 percent...That's quite a number.

[@leoniebachmann2677]

FJB

[@katzgar]

grow the hell up

[@MrKillerRC]

@@katzgar No.

[@glike2]

Unions good, Salesman and dealership mafia are bullshiit jobs

[@Robert-tt8tx]

And I’m not sure if you live in United States or not based on your accent, but if you do and you recently moved here get educated on our federal government Joe Biden since he’s the president is in charge of the national labor board so he has a lot to do with unions and if they get assistance, federally or opposition federally

[@colinstanley8678]

Do unions want a role in the transition? I hope they can make something happen here. They help make the future or there's tesla and china.

[@MaxMisterC]

What is the point in all the progress of the 20th & 21st Century if the riches provided by consumerism & technology cannot be shared with the worker class? Stop your moaning. This is GOOD NEWS!

[@JoeyBlogs007]

Not when the company shuts down in the US. There will be nothing to share. 🤣🤣🤣

[@MaxMisterC]

@@JoeyBlogs007 Ok then. Until that happens.... (& it won't) It is STILL good news!

[@amandagrant4331]

Agree. I hope all companies in America have unions.

[@waynedbu]

Do some research. Unions aren’t as good as you may think

[@graemerabone8479]

There glee at becoming Unionised will turn to dismay when VW close the Plant down and move production to China Unions destroyed the Auto Industry in Australia with demands that made it to expensive to build cars there.

[@amandagrant4331]

The United States is pursuing protectionism. Even if the price of cars produced in China is one third of that in the United States, they can't enter the United States.

[@graemerabone8479]

@@amandagrant4331 Yep its a sad state of affairs. The rest or the world will love the huge range of Electric EV's for those that want EV cars coming out of China. Cars like Polstar and Volvo and MG and Zeekr and future VW and Audi Models will all be made in China. Stellantis of course own Jeep and the EV Jeep models will all use Batteries from CATL or BYD . The same of course applies to American Car Brands in China. Given China is the 2nd or 3rd largest car market in the World it will decimate GM and FORD if they can't sell cars in China. So it will be interesting to see if a ban on Chinese EVs comes to pass. I suspect FORD and GM will not want to see that happen if it means they cant export into China

[@MrKillerRC]

Say hello to Mexican built VWs

[@johnfitbyfaithnet]

Bad idea in my opinion

[@johnwinter7597]

Say bye to VW the u.s. car manufacturers are already building plants in other countries

[@teebone2157]

Unions are essential in a world where corporations refuse to raise wages but are doing record buybacks

[@eddylee3826]

VW will close soon in future, mark my word for it .

[@dvdso]

We, the workers, have the unite. The corporation are getting too strong.

[@johnfrancis4401]

Great news for Tesla

[@1voluntaryist]

VW is slowly merging with Chinese companies, letting them build the EVs and use VW brand.

[@Driver6M]

What's with the anti union slant on this channel Sam? I get that you're a self made man so congratulations to you, but most of us have to work for medium and large organisations that continually push to keep pay and conditions as low as possible. Having a union is often the only way for workers to be treated fairly. Workers rights, pay and conditions are usually lower in China than the West. This fact is not a good thing for them, or for us. Do we really want to live in a society were workers go back to being working slaves?

[@free-qe6wx]

When Tesla does another major round of layoffs later this year, they'll be ripe for the pickings by the UAW. Can't pay bills with share options, and can't retire on shares in a bankrupt company.

[@kennySg101]

Time for VW to exit

[@Lifecoach7Ra]

Mafia has won, and now a criminal Ex-Prsident coming back? We are DONE!

[@ExploringCabinsandMines]

What crime?

[@metricstormtrooper]

​@@ExploringCabinsandMinesanything you can name you can start with fraud.

[@joetz1]

@@ExploringCabinsandMinesour kangaroo court judges will invent a crime

[@ChicagoBob123]

They will scale back in the us and then close

[@streetmoney21]

Wow Mexico is about to get a lot of new manufacturing facilities. I am sure the plants will be phased out as these companies flee to friendlier shores as the public will refuse to absorb the increase in prices to cover union costs

[@steven4315]

The cartels will welcome the new business.

[@amandagrant4331]

US doesn't need sweatshops. Such a factory can be moved anywhere, but don't stay in US

[@phillipherron6289]

Most popular thing you here in a union shop. Not my job. They are toxic.

[@user-nf4st5kn6l]

❤

[@David-qt4lh]

Nothing wrong being unionised.

[@nickmcconnell1291]

The way Tesla workers work does not allow for specific roles. Today you might be putting on wheels, tomorrow you may decide to work on that line machine that's not punching parts correctly. In other words there are no defined roles per se at Tesla. Engineers are just as likely to be polishing a car as they are to be working on coding the robot that checks the luster of that paint. Unions have to define roles by there very nature. One has to be able to "rise up through the union ranks" or there is no way to have leaders in the union. Tesla's organization is that its workers self-organize to get things done. This is a 180 from how unions work as they enforce roles and define them.... this Tesla work method and unions are like oil and water. If a union was designed for Tesla it might be something like a randomly rotating workers safety council. No union member would be more important than any other member and there would be no ranks to climb.

[@howardj602]

The average tenure of a Tesla production worker is less than 6 months. That's how good the working conditions are. The Tesla worker does not "decide" what work they are going to do. Elon Musk would rather destroy all of his plants rather than deal with a union.

[@nickmcconnell1291]

Very true. Tesla separates the wheat from the chaff very quickly. What is amazing is how many folks are long term employees given the fast pace that Tesla works at. There are a lot of folks who come into Tesla not understanding the pace and performance that they will have to hold themselves to in order to keep up with their coworkers. Those may leave or they may step up their game. Then there are a lot of people who want to pad their resumes by having Tesla on it. These go in for a short stent so they can do so. Kind of like saying you have gone through bootcamp. From all accounts Tesla is a very mission focused and enjoyable place to work but at a maddening pace. Because they do not have managers per se decisions to do something or not are almost instantaneous. This means from deciding something needs doing to just doing it is immediate.... there is no down time waiting for management decisions etc. This super fast decision making results in a fast pace work environment. Basically Tesla keeps A+ players who can come in every day and give their A game. Regular folks eventually leave and go on to less fast pace jobs.

[@howardj602]

@@nickmcconnell1291 The turnover rate at Tesla for production workers is 6 months. For salaried workers under 3 years. For executives who report to Musk during the past nine months the turnover rate is 44% compared to 7% of like employees in high pressure tec companies.

[@bst3690]

As normal, Unions looking backwards not forwards. Bye bye

[@user-nf4st5kn6l]

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[@yuglesstube]

Nonsense

[@rtzx12570]

So VW costs will go up, productivity down and therefore car costs go up. The agents won't reduce their margins so wil not sell and be to expensive. VW will either close before the union have time to figure this out and sign up a contract.

[@toyotaprius79]

And the bosses still give themselves record pay

[@pcproffy]

The auto industry has been telling those same lies for 70 years.

[@danielryan3442]

It is always better when union has voice because it always represents the large majority making the product. There is too much passive income causing the investment class to dominate wealth distribution. The majority in a democratic environment must come forward again through unionization.

[@nicholasyoung2794]

UAW is going to destroy the american auto industry

[@toyotaprius79]

As if the bloated pay of executives, short sighted products and stock buy backs hasn't done that enough?

[@nicholasyoung2794]

@@toyotaprius79 As it stands you are for sooner then later. Auto workers out of work sooner or later. How companies set up not good, but destroying the industry not good either.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

Yep. Tesla will be the only manufacturer left standing.

[@user-nf4st5kn6l]

❤

[@metricstormtrooper]

Management already has

[@mnhsty]

Another victory for China.

[@jennyohara4011]

WHAT IS uaw

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Are you for real? Its the Auto Union.

[@eman67rp]

Can tell people who never had to lift a finger in their life. ​@@wolfgangpreier9160

[@offgridwanabe]

Is there a Union for Robots?

[@buixote]

Don't believe the hype. Alzbiden's no supporter of labor. The Railroad Strike should have proved that.

[@btrts6431]

Can you imagine what an iPhone would cost if made in America by UAW workers? You’d have to get multi year loan and it wouldn’t work. 🤣

[@pcproffy]

Good thing Apple uses child slave labor to keep their profit margin high

[@ohyesitsme]

An iPhone costs only a very small percentage of what you foolishly pay as it's made in China. The difference goes into shareholders pockets.

[@btrts6431]

@@ohyesitsme That doesn’t counter my comment in any way, that an IPhone made here would cost dramatically more.

[@ohyesitsme]

@@btrts6431 Not necessarily, though the shareholders would get a much lower take. What do you think the cost of an iPhone is to manufacture in China, there has to be an exrtremly large profit margin.

[@btrts6431]

@@ohyesitsme There have been studies. An iPhone made in the US would require a $2400 sales price to keep current profit margins. Even at $0 profit margins, it couldn’t be manufactured here under $1,000.

[@davidpearn5925]

Joe Biden (the adult) "gloats".........oh really !?.

[@edm3184]

There was ice cream involved

[@mikapeltokorpi7671]

Tesla next?

[@user-zo2pc5lu5q]

And risk their share options not likely

[@mikapeltokorpi7671]

@@user-zo2pc5lu5q Last employee options that have had any value (if those were even given to you) are from the 2020 options plan (+20% minus taxes if you exercise now - but you can gamble a couple of years with these). 2023 options plan seems to have similar upside at the moment. But you can exercise those earliest in 2028. Tesla is trading 20-30% of their salary to quite a volatile bonus plan and at best (in the last four years) the employees got broken even-ish. If you were in 2019 and were still employed by Tesla in 2023 you had a great payday. So you have to survive the churn and corporate politics for four years, too.

[@mikapeltokorpi7671]

@@user-zo2pc5lu5q Tesla’s options plan can be exercised earliest in four years and latest in seven years after it was issued and you have to be employed by the company whole time (very normal practice in internationally operating companies). Employees at Tesla stay with the company for 3.7 years on average. At the moment 2020 and 2023 employee option plans are in about 20% positive side. Others after 2019 are in red. If you were employed by Tesla 2018/2019 to 2023 you had a huge payday. Otherwise - not so. As part of your base salary is always traded to these performance plans, options have hardly yielded any positive finances to the lower level Tesla employees since 2020. And statistically half of them are already fired.

[@user-nf4st5kn6l]

Unions should be forbidden; at least in any innovative company.😂

[@christophmartin5381]

You know that what you are talking is, say it diplomatically, B.S. the reason why people world wide have some rights and can live from their wages is due to unions.

[@Pillokun]

what a effed up thing to say... basically u want people to be squeezed dry for the companies sake...U do know that those people are what makes the companies, right? without them nothing would be done.

[@johnfurr6060]

@@christophmartin5381 Bullshit. I've never once worked for a union and I have fair pay and a good life. I've also left jobs that didn't fit my idea of a good job. Americans are just to lazy to take ownership of their lives. If you don't like the company and their pay then find another job. It's called freedom.. we celebrate that in the USA.

[@cellics]

@@christophmartin5381common, dont get so serious on a humorous comment. Look at that emoticon at the end. 😂

[@TheJoeSwanon]

So the solution is we should all work for Chinese wages?!?

[@Thunderrolls87]

According to these trolls on here

[@mountainadventures7346]

Not a fan of unions!👎🏻

[@menotyou1234]

Unions are S. C. UM.

[@francischan57c]

F...k this is the end of the world

[@paullynass4848]

Sam the anti worker 😢

[@jennyohara4011]

EVERYY one should be in the union

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Marx and Engels would have loved this one. And Lenin. And Honecker.

[@yuglesstube]

Conflating unions with Honecker. Seriously. Unions created the middle class.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@yuglesstube Yes they DID. PAST TENSE. IN THE PAST. DECADES AGO. Now clear? If the Unions work together with the factory owers to find a common result that benefits both then everything would be good. Of course the company owners are greedy and should be taken down a peg, but today the Unions are much more greedier. They do not care for their people. They only care for themelves - see UAW, IF Metal, IG Metall, ÖGB, the frenchies, the spanish. They want to DESTROY the Bourgeoisie. The rich CEOs that get millions, billions, trillions and that money MUST be distrubuited among the Unions and the workers should not have to work more than 20 hours each week. They want to destroy our way of living and implement the russian way. The rich are rich and the poor die early. Or do you have a different opinion?