JOE BUDDEN SAYS THE "CLOCK WAS TICKING" ON RORY & MAL... BREAKSDOWN THE FALLOUTS ON HIS NETWORK

[@ragthree21]

Joe is good at saying nothing and having people think he’s playing 3D chess.

[@Peprahism]

Lmaoo

[@ChanceTEK]

Laughs…

[@Ahijah]

Politicians are excellent at that,but most of us see through the BS

[@kjee09]

Exactly...he says a whole lot but says nothing. He's the type to talk in circles and if you're not careful you'll fall for his BS. I bet no one in the shop truly understands what he was saying...niggas it just nodding their heads agreement. Dude is exhausting

[@blakgold6054]

Super facts

[@rodtharose]

Joe avoids accountability at all cost

[@tadah21]

Love joe but he needs to stop talking about this if he gonna keep digging a another hole. He hurting his brand. Tell truth let it die. They said accounting wasn't right. Stop my guy. Nasty😂

[@axman3128]

Lol he's like a woman when they don't want to admit they're wrong lol

[@flecc4474]

Why? It’s his show and they brought nothing to the table

[@TheSub-SaharanAmericanLegend]

He's Aquarius ♒ so him doing that is warranted. If you know you know

[@ricolaw1033]

@@TheSub-SaharanAmericanLegend I take offense to that as an ♒️ 😂😂 sike naw, I’m unfazed 😂😂😂

[@karongittens]

Joe is a master of sounding like he's saying something deep and profound but really saying nothing at all. Thats a real skill I wish I had.

[@stephencox8723]

nah, he just forces you to infer what's being implicitly said.

[@ludaboi19]

You have to be a text book narcissist…it’s in their make up

[@ludaboi19]

And I don’t say that from a place of I don’t like Joe…but that’s something I don’t like about him

[@chasebaxter4143]

💯💯💯👍

[@SW33T_Dr34M]

Hell you just did it with your comment

[@CaptPicard81]

Joe is like those old guys that pretend like they're having a conversation with you but they actually just want an audience while they talk to themselves

[@Ty-J_250]

😂😂

[@00sbabyoldschoolspirit80]

🤭😂😂😂😭🤣☠️💀

[@jwells1914]

💯

[@youngcansuela8327]

100% facts. He’s brutal. He also does the knee jerk “no” in response to anything someone else says. He’s a contrarian. But then, he will reiterate exactly what the other person said as if it’s different. It’s a really annoying character trait or flaw.

[@marxwest]

This was great

[@SmartWorldMedia1]

Joe just gotta realize it’s okay to be “wrong”sometimes. Being wrong won’t kill you, if your open minded it’ll help you truly grow and learn. So in the future you’ll get it “right”.

[@hatenonme1212]

Clearly it's alot of closed minded people because the stoopid shyt that happens on a daily is mind boggling

[@derekhart4572]

I don’t think that happens for people after 40. But I pray he figures it out.

[@mike7676ful]

He admits wrongdoing fairly often. The problem with that is people just believe the other side without knowing what’s really going on. You’re allowed to not believe someone, you aren’t allowed to say they didn’t take actual accountability without knowing.

[@turokmarine117]

Talkin bout that argument he had at complex😂

[@Sprezza_tura]

Joe became the machine he raged against

[@MrSutton17]

Bars

[@josepaz5622]

That's a BAR

[@WickedMo13]

🔥

[@certified_boogeyman]

Well he told y'all "New Joe Budden!"

[@Nandoswitharando]

When the oppressed become the oppressor

[@ScottBurnhard]

MATH IS REALLY KILLING THIS POD CAST THING B!

[@djlivelee3325]

True

[@roxinecrew949]

#FACTZ ✌️

[@ricolaw1033]

💯💯💯 the best out for me

[@thelegenedzzz468]

Damn Scott you be on everybody stuff lol

[@EyeVVeyE]

Whenever dis dude post i know its a great interview he watched

[@davidorellana6278]

Basically Joe said he wanted to pay them less and was waiting for the time to run out on the contract

[@Wizznilliam]

And that he was paying them from "net". Meaning that he was moving funds around to other podcasts and projects, like Rory and Mal said.

[@justxliff]

@@Wizznilliam why is that a problem tho

[@Wizznilliam]

@@justxliff Because if their contract says that they are paid a percentage of the profits of the JBP it affects their pay. If they never agreed to risk their part of the profits on other failed podcasts then he is taking money from them without their permission. From them they say they never agreed to starting a podcast network. If that's something that he wanted to do then he could have either waited until they were off contract or used his portion of the money plus the other money he had coming in. Not money out of the group pot.

[@user-ik5ze1sh7i]

People hear and see what they want, Joe practices bad business and has a history of it, like you said he could have paid those guys there earned worth and then after came to them offered the plan if they didn't want to do it cool move on, but instead he chose to snake them and then spin a narrative on them, good for them for standing up and speaking the truth it's always hard at first but then you realize you don't need people like that in your life

[@bikezthenightstalker.3134]

@@Wizznilliam everyone does that, especially Diddy and Jay. It just no one has the balls to come them out on it for the world to see. You’re not getting Jay on a Pod. You’re not getting diddy on a Pod and ask him how he’s splitting up the proceeds

[@michael43567]

The saddest thing of all was seeing friendships destroyed. Particularly Mal & Joe who were friends for close to 10 years and LIVED together at one point.

[@shaminturner67]

I don’t think Mal was ever truly his friend.

[@shenellrichardson4936]

It is sad but thats Joe’sfault

[@jecoliasjems2529]

@@shaminturner67 Me either. Mal flipped wayyyyy too quick and jumped into an issue that was between Joe and Rory at one point. Rory always got nasty with Joe. They needed to go.

[@adlaidunn]

💯

[@adlaidunn]

Mal was kicking dudes outta blogtv chatrooms.. they seemed tight

[@TheRealPMick]

Who watches Joe expecting to learn anything? The man is The Riddler. 😂

[@sl5217]

I’m dien 😂 😂

[@soundshape6496]

lulz

[@southerncalifornia970]

facts

[@ewolz]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kayteeprototype2046]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@acewalker.3915]

Mr innocent has never done anything wrong in his life

[@mooremoney8316]

😭

[@FlyyHigh834]

😂🤣

[@machomusprime50]

Lmaooo for real.

[@jaydell4039]

Poor baby sad that they broke up. Do u know the situation. Y’all don’t know these people

[@YhwhIsNumber1]

😂😂😂😂

[@kaysha]

Business differences most of the times become personal differences. Sad but been there many times

[@onaturellespritthe3rd670]

Joe be thinking he's outsmarting the questions, but to smart people, it just looks like he's trying to hard

[@vince2433]

Well said

[@molive8093]

🤦🏽‍♀️🤜🤛🏽👏🏽😅

[@molive8093]

this is the clearest Joe tho, there's legitimacy here. he's hard to listen too when he on some bs 🤷🏽‍♀️😅

[@meladgoat]

basically, joe tried to lowball rory and mall by paying them less. They said no. so he said oh you won't take less?. cool I'll find 2 guys that will.

[@Cyzure]

But it wasn't him, that was Spotify. Do you even listen?

[@kashstory]

"creative differences" 😂

[@avengerxunb7728]

Joe is the king of bending the narrative 🤦‍♂️ They weren't on salary, they were percentage based...that's the difference. Joe is being funny with the money

[@machomusprime50]

Salary is not a creative difference, Joe. It's a financial dispute. Stop trying to switch the narrative.

[@richdrb]

It's not a financial dispute when you are the sole investor

[@steviejay868]

@@richdrb and the only one who was creating content, bruh was begging them niggas to step up.....

[@machomusprime50]

@richdrb You're not very smart, are you?

[@voodoochild341]

@@steviejay868 they help turn the pod into a multimillion dollar project and since they don’t wanna do more after the fact he can be upset ? Is this what you getting at dog

[@TheKondinho]

@@steviejay868 yup, "lets take this pod to the next level". i remember all that.

[@jimjones7954]

Joe is masterful with taking one strong point and building his whole argument on it. He mentioned Mal turning down the idea of a salary but didn’t mention the contract they were already under (according to mal) was profit partners. His example of 3 mil/yr as salary is very good. Now was profit partners let’s say 1 year you make 5, the next you make 3 and the last you make 7. Then the totals are 9 mil salary compared to 15 profit partners. For mal to already have an idea of how successful their pod already is, taking a salary could be a loss in earnings compared to profit partners.

[@ChippyRamus]

Which contract were they under that said they were profit partners? Cause Spotify didn’t view them as such .. Rory hardly mentioned this .. so was this actual a contract or mal’s perception?

[@bocole3045]

Joe allowed them to ride his wave (they put in work) but if his shit he gets the lions share

[@BancoBoxing]

They were workers

[@vulpixel_labs]

if they were partners, he wouldn't have the ability to downgrade them...even if joe had 50% and they each had 25% of the pod, they would stalemate on that subject. and even with that percentage base, that would make them minority stake holders, not partners.

[@ThuhGGGeenius]

Yes but with "profit partners" comes risk also. If the pod wasn't profitable them dudes wouldn't get paid. If salaried they get paid regardless, that's the angle Joe was probably trying to get at lol To Mal the risk was probably worth it, which says he believed in it, but it's all perspective I suppose

[@iamgway]

Can we take time to Salute Math this podcast for its consistency and growth 🙌🏿

[@isthisnebraska]

How long has it been around?

[@thehumannugakareemsupreme9484]

This podcast is dogshit

[@timy9197]

He left out that he ended a friendship and threaten to sue them if they started another pod. He’s acting like everybody else was mad but he was level headed but he took things further than everybody else.

[@king_retro4206]

Every relationship/friendship Joe has been in, he either ruined or had a fall out. But he is must watch tv.

[@DominicHolder-nn3um]

That’s why he is where he is. For better or worse

[@FlyyHigh834]

Joe still won't take ANY accountability for the Rory and Mal shit

[@christopheredwards8427]

He pretty much made it simple! How you don't understand is wild! He offered a number, they didn't want it! 🤷🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️

[@damontaylor928]

@@christopheredwards8427 dont even argue fam you know people just wanna hate joe cause it's easy

[@christopherceelohiggs3400]

Exactly!!! He never take accountability for nothing. Dude is just toxic.

[@daweeza42]

So you want Joe to be accountable for other grown men's decisions...?

[@voodoochild341]

@@christopheredwards8427 he tried to play it like the salary was gonna be more money for them this nigga still tried to spin it while taking so called accountability

[@050Keno]

Joe a spin master 😂 ain’t nobody gonna be happy about going from a percentage to a salary unless the salary was more somehow 😂

[@JayHMG]

Thank you bruh 😂😂😂

[@stbcurt4250]

Lets break it down from the owner perception. Let’s say they did take the percentage. If the show revenue is down you’ll feel it with a percentage. Salary is guaranteed no matter if the revenue is down. The salary may be less but it’s more likely they will get that salary amount rather having a fluctuating pay. But also no employee gets a percentage. If they signed a contract that stated they were getting a percentage off total revenue they are part owners. If this is in writing no matter what, they could sue for millions and win with no problem. Sound like they were just told this and had nothing in writing.

[@Money6366]

Joe wanted to put them in the place they made comfortable for themselves. They showed that they just wanted to come in work for an hour or 2 and dip. That sounds like someone that should be on salary. If they were bringing partnership deals to the table, or marketing plans that were viable then that would warrent a percentage based payout. If u move like an employee ima treat u like an employee. And don't get it twisted, their "salary" would have been 7 figures. Only 10% of the American population makes over 100k solo (not as a household). They felt like they provided alot by just showing up and talking. But just like an employee in any job when they left parks house, they didn't show much interest in building the show. They brought not much more then talking to the show. That deserves a check. Not a percentage.

[@hippipdip]

The salary would have been more. They were just over it.

[@gldnone]

@@hippipdip why wouldn't they accept more money?? 🤔

[@Watchingvideoslikeu]

It wasn’t just Rory & Mal. There is also the all women podcast where one host felt wronged and then the other two girls dipped. So I mean come on 6 people vs Joe

[@blockwriters5728]

And we haven't heard from the girls since. They weren't a draw to being with.

[@Bundles06]

And Spotify and Complex and Joell Ortiz and Crook and Eminem and Charlemagne and..

[@Watchingvideoslikeu]

@@blockwriters5728 both can be true. They could’ve not been a big draw while also not have had a good working relationship with joe

[@blockwriters5728]

@@Watchingvideoslikeu I'll bet a stack they never had partnership paperwork in the Joe Budden podcast as a legal entity. Not EVER!!! And that partnership paperwork would've contained an operating agreement that specified fixed percentages for all profits generated and /or shares of the Joe Budden Podcast company to the aforementioned parties. I ain't ever heard Rory and Mal mention their partnership stakes in the Joe Budden Podcast in any of their complaints about Joe. They were employees, not partners. They assumed they were partners because they were friends. They didn't set the partnership in writing. How you gonna tell the owner of the brand you ain't taking a salary from them and you ain't in a legal owner/partnership with them? You don't have any basis or standing for dispute. And as the owner and the literal brand itself, Joes has a right to specify salaries to subordinates and/or contractors.

[@nimmha6708]

@@Bundles06 don't forget Wu. Rest in Peace Ol' Dirty

[@emprodabobplays]

the funny thing is... If you ask Joe would he accept a salary from Spotify, the answer would most likely be no

[@mgabazana812]

creative difference

[@bryaanthefirst9850]

But there’s nothing wrong with that

[@JohnGBeats]

but it’s the JOE BUDDEN PODCAST

[@emprodabobplays]

@@JohnGBeats Everyday Struggle wasn't the JOE BUDDEN PODCAST 🤷🏾‍♂

[@kboogie617]

Rory and Mal thought they was co owners in something but had no paperwork to back it up. This happens all the time with tv shows, record labels and other professions. Joe didn't feel he owed them anything and they went they separate ways. The end

[@AdjudicatorBrbal]

I dont get why most these fools in the comments dont get that. Street mentality will never win with proper paperwork and business signatures. Specially when you’re emotionally involved with speculation.

[@sinamen516]

They had a percentage based partnership that Joe didn't pay and tried to swindle them out of with his janky accounting. Definitely happens more frequently than ppl care to admit.

[@peopleschampiii584]

He made these niggas millionaires. I never heard of them before the pid

[@RoyalNutz89]

Lmao he kept saying creative differences but I didn't hear him mention one creative difference 🤣🤣.. this guy will spin everything

[@hidingid]

Joe: I would DIE for a check weekly Also joe: threw tantrum on complex when he was getting a salary lol

[@BUILT2WIN2]

ALSO IF YOU WOULD DIE FOR A CHECK WEEKLY THEN GO GET A JOB JOE.

[@barrekelly]

He was talking about during his rap career. You mfs don’t listen or only hear what you want to hear🤦🏽‍♂️

[@hidingid]

@@barrekelly he could have had his rap career and get a pay check. Same with love and hip hop.

[@jaydadon777]

I understood it different... he not used to a Job but he would like to have that... he wouldn't take thr salary thing now cause he used to gettin paid depending on his work n how good it is... he not tryna do numbers n get the same as if he dont...

[@Blacksinatra21]

His issue with complex wasn’t salary it was them having to market products and not get a cut. That’s extra not salary!!!!

[@smokeyliver5736]

There is a reason why everything he do with others fail.

[@liq8898]

Joe is super toxic

[@Wizznilliam]

And then he wants to talk in riddles about it. He had to go through all of that just to say he was putting pre payout money in other things. Like Rory and Mal said they money was helping fund other new podcasts that had better production than them. Something that they never agreed to. That's why he brought up that he got paid off "net" too.

[@GiftedDee]

And he still worth more then you.

[@Borderlinepsycotic]

I wish I had his fails…. 😐. Cause I know I don’t want YOURS…. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣. Non factor haters… lol

[@royaldavis640]

Exactly, I’m a big fan of his and his podcast but the way he does things is just wrong.

[@welcome2thekingdom]

Joe over explained very simple concepts and creates his own definition for things he himself doesn’t fully understand. Ex. Not agreeing on a salary isn’t creative differences.

[@brandonp2211]

Joe is the type to explain a question and never answer it.

[@Bigbizzle]

He basically said it was money.

[@Dusty_617]

🤣🤣🤣

[@grimmcyph932]

I've been watching "expert opinion" all day math this show is gold 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@damogreen2560]

Yeah this ish growing on me cant lie

[@princejay8785]

Keep the great content coming math

[@ericjones8918]

Why can’t people see he’s full of it? If everything you do falls apart you don’t know what you’re doing…

[@machomusprime50]

He's completely FOS

[@Thisguyrod]

They do. That’s why no one is responding. He’s over explaining himself bc joe knows he was gettin more money than them.

[@Dontgotomyyoutube]

@@Thisguyrod he owned the network. He get paid twice as talent and owner. Why ppl don’t understand that?

[@stbcurt4250]

@@Thisguyrod and he shouldn’t? He owns the platform. Them niggas was contractors and ain’t know it

[@blockwriters5728]

@@stbcurt4250 That's their fault for not understanding they were contractors. If they were partners in the company, they should have an operating agreement specifying their partnership percentages, shares, etc. They were never partners.

[@5thElementSandwich]

Funny how he threw in 3 million as an example of salary refusal, then pulled it back by saying “whatever the salary is”, because he didn’t want to be on the hook for quoting a specific dollar offer that he knew wasn’t close to what was actually proposed. If you know how to read people you’re ahead of the game.

[@Wizznilliam]

Plus in the past when explaining his side he tried to make it out like he was trying to give everybody a raise. But without showing the real certified accounting. How are they supposed to even know if that is really a raise without seeing the paperwork?

[@firstname2022]

Or, and hear me out…it was a completely hypocritical example

[@gregt-f3907]

@@firstname2022 😂😂

[@timoaksproductions]

@5thElementSandwhich You must be Mal or Rory in disguise

[@5thElementSandwich]

@@timoaksproductions no. I’m just someone who has the ability to be objective, while at the same time being a fan. I like Joe, but he stay capping. He can’t be trusted with the bag. We all know someone like that, and have kept them at a distance unless otherwise necessary.

[@talonkarrde2578]

Please get Mal on the pod. We need the other (real) half of the story.

[@jarvishodges1006]

3 sides to every story

[@mr.j410]

@@jarvishodges1006 6

[@dajuannadechelle]

It was a beef because Joe got in his feelings and tried to destroy Rory and Mal's reputation and said some foul stuff and brought it out to the public in the most disrespectful way. And now Mal doesn't F with him and Joe still wants that relationship. Him and Rory are now cool though. THis is EXACTLY why Ish and Ice BOTH have managers that represent with their contracts on the JBP.

[@jasonwilliams9307]

Which is wtf mal and rory should've done. We in buisness now its not personal just buisness. Lawyer up and go over that black and white.

[@dajuannadechelle]

@@jasonwilliams9307 Yes, this is true. Ice and Ish didnt want to make the same mistakes trying to work out contracts/negotiating directly with Joe so they hired Managers to that. And since Joe brings it up now every other Pod, LOL, he is feeling a way about it. But Ice don't care that Joe don't like it. It's just a smart business move like you said. If anyone treats podcating like a business, it's definitely Ice. LOL.

[@calel5470]

For someone who prides himself as a media mogul, Joe is a closed book in interviews.

[@kf9926]

Many secrets

[@jdugg5461]

You don’t learn s**t in his interviews!

[@staceymartin8096]

Well...what is he saying that he's not and why?what I'm hearing is he was putting in the work while they was putting in half the work but receiving the same ...but they feeling themselves to much to notice..and look like a asshole for saying it ..so he walking on eggshells so he dont look a way...thats what I get.

[@azlstrhl]

@Stacey Martin that is not what happened .. Mal and Rory wanted to see the books.. Joe wouldn't let them or kept dancing around it delaying them.. This cause Mal and Rory to question why someone would do that (especially a friend).. And the only logical conclusion is there's something to hide!I Joe playing semantics by saying "we have creative differences" when it has nothing to do with the creative part, it's the business part, is a clear sign of his narcissistic mentality.. The fact Joe said himself "it's my podcast on my channel I don't have to" shows what type of time he was on (which again is ok in business but don't make out your friendship is more important and your a stand up dude with your ride or dies when clearly that isn't the case.early Granted Rory and Mal should of had their business in order from the start BUT if we friends like that and the show grew with and because of the two co hosts (which it did) why would you want your so called "friends" to be in salaries instead of having ownership WHICH JOE IS A ADVOCATE FOR?! It's backward and contradicting so I can say I smell a d rider or disingenuous person when they try miss the actual reason to push Joes deluded version 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@smoove8125]

@@azlstrhl end of the day it’s his show, we all knew of budden before the pod. Rory and mal were barely known, Joe has the name it’s his show of course he runs it. This friendship thing is clouding y’all head, they didn’t do equal work to be paid equal. If they were equals they wouldn’t have had that little strike on the show. Workers go on strike, the boss (joe) shows up and has to get it done no matter what because its HIS business.

[@lokcalslokcalslokcalslokca2406]

this is STILL nasty to me. even after dust settled. i can't watch/listen to the pod for this reason. no accountability

[@shenellrichardson4936]

Same

[@mrlin1687]

Ditto... Nasty Joe... Nasty!

[@KaLeeDo2]

Man I couldn’t even finish this clip. That man trash 🗑

[@iamtrestone]

Joe word for word on the Clearing the air JBP Episode: “I never thought I’d see the day that you two wouldn’t show up here” Turns around and says he saw the writing on the wall 😂😂😂😂

[@mvp4lyfateverything]

He’s a pathological liar

[@iamtrestone]

@@juallen4396 you didn’t read my statement correctly, has nothing to do with a zodiac.

[@michaeljourdain8424]

💀💀💀💀💀

[@Eiuol81853]

Joe said he is talking "in hindsight". Pay attention.

[@iamtrestone]

@@Eiuol81853 your name sounds like a virus that hasn’t been discovered yet. Hindsight doesn’t matter when you’ve said what you said Pay attention euiol

[@Scott42069]

Well Rory and mal never had an issue with making money off of “net” they weren’t shown what the “net” was lmao. How are you supposed to get a percentage of net profits and not know what the net profits are…..

[@davidorellana6278]

The creative difference is that Joe wasn’t showing the accounting and they wanted to see it 😂🤣

[@christopheredwards8427]

And he didn't have to, that's his shit! Nigga I pay you what I want to pay you! Tf lol... It's simple!

[@shenellrichardson4936]

😂😂😂

[@Krb.143]

That's legit the opposite of equity partnership

[@mauricestewart8472]

And unfortunately for the co-hosts, Joe doesn't owe them any accounting. He was signed to Spotify, they weren't. Thats Joe's contract. Not Rory and Mal's

[@plutotech]

@@mauricestewart8472 the podcast was signed to Spotify. not joe by himself.

[@DB4DTelevision2k]

It’s hard to do business with friends because if business goes bad you still want to see them again

[@Del_116]

They was his roommates …at first not really day 1s. . Right !! I don’t see why he should have held on to them

[@hellodime]

Greediness!!!!!

[@sonicmagnus5312]

money is your friend, ( it’s who you want to always see and have with you ) fuck people ! they disappoint always ( who wants to still see them? please )

[@jasonwilliams9307]

@@sonicmagnus5312 the realness right here can't put your trust in mankind

[@ShahidiCook]

Joey a professional liar, that’s dangerous. He really can express it as truth

[@Wizznilliam]

He is good too. He can twist things just enough to get you to drop it and move on.

[@zetsutsuletsu2034]

What did he lie about?🤣 Yall act like if he said "I didn't want to show them the accounting so they left"... it would be the truth somehow.🤣

[@mitchy2311]

@@zetsutsuletsu2034 right i know joe is easy to hate but what makes anyone else more credible than him. Niggas will listen to literally anyone say something and believe that as fact over joe

[@_VISION.]

We should be lucky he doesn't study a particular discipline that can really help him do this far better than he does on his own

[@uyiikhu-omoregbe3018]

Joes ability to lie is both his best gift and worst curse

[@MattyVice]

1. It was an incentive laden comp plan; the higher the income the more R&M get. 2. They never had equity 3. They never had to sit behind expenses. When joe owns it, and there is no money, he needs to pay for expenses. R&M never need to sit behind expenses 4. SO when spotify money went dry…he was gonna pay them out of his own pocket and be responsible for that no matter how operations performed 5. It depends now, more expenses give them less profit sharing, so the accountants need to now make sure all expenses are valid that go through THE PODCAST business 6. All revenue legally contracted with JBP LLC, would be subject to the profit sharing plan Did joe try to hide revenues by getting another LLC to sign sponsorship deals so R&M couldnt see it? Did joe run expenses through so the pod had less income for R&M to participate in? He said to audit him. That’s totally fine

[@msphyl31]

Oh my lord! This man should be a politician with the way he answers a question but never answers a question. Soooo many words. The waving of the arms. The voice inflections. But it means nothing.

[@EH-ro8dn]

Word Salad

[@Underground-Legend]

Joe keeps comparing how he got paid in rap to the podcast. It’s not the same thing

[@mattyamweelo6027]

a narcissit

[@damogreen2560]

Facts, its a completely new playing field. Joe just sees the floodgates about to happen and wanted complete ownership and crontrol. Wanted employees and not business partners

[@Money6366]

@@damogreen2560 could you blame him? His name is the shows title. I never thought it was anyone's show besides his.

[@est.inthe80s]

Facts

[@OriginalBoondocksXVIII]

@@Money6366 It didn't start that way. It was I'll Name This Podcast Later until episode 108.

[@nsmith3128]

It's several issues here. Joe probably was giving them a great contract in comparison to his bad rap contracts. I believe he was looking out for them in his mind. The problem is they needed or wanted to judge that for themselves with seeing the overall deal. The number 1 issue is they considered themselves partners and not employees. In my opinion they never should have allowed the name change. I feel like it went downhill from there.

[@pantiesOFFimON]

Charlemagne told them

[@i_am_gohan9232]

My older brother said the same thing. Naming it “the joe Budden podcast” was a bad idea.

[@coachtali5151]

Man a partnership doesn't start with a name change you have to PUT MONEY UP. They never did so they have no claim to ownership

[@ericjones8918]

@@coachtali5151 that’s where you’re wrong, they all contributed. Joes podcast was also trash before Rory came, then Mal shortly after… money doesn’t equal ownership that’s a fact. There’s a reason ideas and voices are valued the way they are. Joe would even be here if it was for Peter Rosenberg.

[@ericjones8918]

No one in there right mind would take a salary not knowing what the overall money was… why would someone take 3 mil a year if you making 300 mil a year???

[@superpiff420]

You didn’t have creative differences you had financial differences lol

[@andrewsimmons989]

Trying to force someone who doesn't want to be on salary to go on salary is not a "creative" difference!

[@Lazy-Turbo]

This man Joe literally made NO SENSE 🤦🏾‍♂️😂

[@jackinralph1]

Math and the crew I love the way you get an interview and break it up into segments, Very smart its frustrating a little as a fan as in this case the convo was just getting good then it ended but still very smart. Great job to you and your entire team. 92,000 VIEW ONLY 2000 LIKES COME ON YALL HIT THAT "LIKE" BUTTON so the homie Math and grow larger

[@Kiki-xx3fj]

Joe’s a master at talkin but not saying anything

[@stbcurt4250]

Just because you can’t understand it doesn’t mean he ain’t saying nothing lmaoo

[@alpizzle2963]

His fan just don't get it

[@shenellrichardson4936]

Lol and these niggas eat it up😂

[@Classikh]

The clock is always ticking for you when Joe Budden is involved

[@brianwilson3161]

Math always kills it with the topics

[@jayhag5481]

Rory and Mal are in a way better place now. Really liking what they’re doing.

[@kingeffet6349]

I dont believe Joe He's a master of switching narratives That's what he always did

[@jedijay7882]

Buddens always eurosteppin accountability in every situation he’s been in

[@justmebroC134]

Let me just say this IM PROUD OF MATH!!! This platform turned into a mandatory stop in New York hip hop media and that's huge for Math and Battle rap. Back to Joe rambling

[@VlPULTRA]

Nice conversation with Joe, thats what it is - don´t mix bizness with friends..

[@DesignsbyElement]

That damn gunshot at the end with AirPods on is life threatening. 😂

[@theiggod6921]

Joe Budden's problem might be because he's a great talent he thinks he's great at business. And when business is good everything is easy. But when issues arise that's when you know how good you really are. The issue with Dame Dash belittling people for having a lack of ownership was the assumption that everyone is meant to be an owner. Some people are just talent they're not businessmen. Joe Budden is a great talent but a bad business runner and operator. He blew up the Spotify deal without a game plan and was stuck when he couldn't pay his cohost. People need to know their strengths and weaknesses!

[@BeatsDownGaming]

Mal was the most pointless, one-dimension and personality-less person that's ever been on a podcast. Rory wasn't much better.

[@joshuagarcia662]

Salary means employee…. Employee means tax break for joe and not for mal and Rory…. 🤷‍♂️

[@greg6898]

Room spinnin around like Jamiriqui

[@Whatniche]

Even based on his explanation it’s financial differences, not creative differences.

[@thedaily30]

Rory and Mal were your partners, Joe. They weren’t your employees.

[@earlwilliamsjr2415]

Everyone new that but joe, they were never on equal level and Mal & Rory assume they were.

[@STARZldnlyfe]

If the paperwork was correct they could not of go bumpt

[@blockwriters5728]

He just said they all got paid off net and not gross. They aren't partners because they weren't the brand, Joe is. They felt they could outdo Joe on their own. They haven't but they are doing ok. Kudos to them. They're still collecting net somewhere else.

[@GiftedDee]

Definitely was employees that’s why he fired them and they couldn’t do shit about it

[@tuesdayschild8994]

Partners would mean they would be making some kind of investment or have a stake in ownership. I wonder how much of their own additional money went into it, not just accounting for expenditure before taking their cut.

[@louischapman87317]

These comments are chewing Joe's ass up *Pause* Joe can never take blame or accountability smh

[@MrDarealfireball]

This interview has proved that he boldfaced acted like he was a friend and was plotting to drop them.. if the writing was there he would have said. At the end we are going different directions. Not trick them into changing the name and then telling them to dip..

[@muhammadbilaal7361]

Literally told Rory the writing was on the wall

[@fuluboi]

MAAAAAAAAAAAATH!!!! Mane I got luv 4 this dude n I’m just soooo proud of the success…not to mention this man done pulled off a podcast with such a balance between a street feel yet so progressive at the same time. Kudos

[@bryanaustin5275]

I’ve never heard Joe take any accountability in any situation he’s been in not ever

[@T2Runner]

Not sure why everyone in the comments is acting like they think Joe isn't saying anything. Seems pretty clear to me, it isn't rocket science. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Can't just jump on either side with us on the outside looking in. We don't know everything.

[@djemayel8907]

Joe has a point most CEOs would’ve put Rory & Mal on salaries from the start because they were unknown cohost. He gave them a profit share bc they were friends… he built up their value & they became house names worthy of a profit share. Putting them on salaries would be a demotion & a pay cut. The greed got in the way of what they were building

[@bremertoncitizen4667]

But that wasn't the original agreement, that's the whole point

[@joeclark4eva]

For what they brought to the show, they essentially behaved as salary employees. They can't be owners of something and don't share in the cost of business. The original agreement can always be renegotiated.

[@bremertoncitizen4667]

@@joeclark4eva you must not have heard both sides.

[@richardhardaway7813]

The concept sold to Spotify was the trio, maybe with Joe as frontrunner but they were entitled to some ownership. The horge porge of characters just worked, that was the draw. Joe was joonsed out before the pod so the build up is mutual. They did fxck up when they allowed Joe to change the shows name to The JBP. That was the real death nail. Joe saw the money and started thinking how he could take a bigger margin, now I kinda think he sabotaged the deal to get rid of Mal & Rory.

[@esco21tube]

@@richardhardaway7813 maybe the front runner? You can’t be serious? It’s the joe budden podcast, what do you mean maybe lol? entitled to ownership for what? That’s unrealistic and illogical. Mal and raury’s move was made out of entitlement, ego and emotions. Joe was the one that brought millions of subscribers to the podcast when he went to complex and after. He was doing shows at revolt and bringing cash app sponsorships from his pull up series. Raury and Mal was sitting on the couch when Joe was bringing all that traffic to the podcast. The podcast got big because of all the moves joe was making. Raury and Mal need to be real with themselves because they were never joe’s equal. And they lucky joe didn’t take a percentage of that new podcast because they breached their contracts.

[@mantooth5712]

Math caught Joey on that last question...good job math

[@nicciwith2cees]

Joe & Math! ONLY 2 pods I watch! 💪🏽🔥💪🏽

[@anthonyharris2407]

The pod money was not enough. Joe went to work, they sat on their hands. That’s it, and when their checks weren’t big enough, he made them big enough from his money.

[@faison514]

If Joe said whatever y'all want him to say it doesn't change how people will feel about him. Ask Will Smith if public apologies and remorse save your reputation or not. Joe's reputation will never be salvaged and I don't think he should care to save it

[@shamalisaac7742]

And that’s the answer. Regardless of what he said , he’ll be the problem. What’s not being said is regardless who’s with him, the podcast does numbers

[@muhammadbilaal7361]

@@shamalisaac7742 exactly

[@raisedbyreels]

Evey one focused on the money he making now, nobody thinking about all the money he probably missing because people rather not work with him because he never takes accountability.

[@southside-hornbaby5325]

And let’s be honest Joe wasn’t buddy buddy with a lot in the new industry and Mal and Rory definitely showed him the outside. He became more likeable most definitely because of them and the dynamic. He uses people. Great MC tho

[@blockwriters5728]

Their value is not in question. Their ownership stake was/is. They weren't legal partners / owners of Joe Budden's Podcast. They were contractors.

[@Wizznilliam]

@@blockwriters5728 Whatever you want to call it. Their contract said that they got a percentage of the profits. And he keeps trying to talk around that he was taking some of those profits and putting them into other podcasts before paying them. Which affects that "net" that he is referring to in this video. Something that they never agreed to.

[@jasonwilliams9307]

@@Wizznilliam if you get paid what you are signed for without a missed payment or late payment he did his job str8 up.

[@Wizznilliam]

@@jasonwilliams9307 That's the problem! If your payment that you SIGNED for says that you get a percentage then there is no way to verify that you are being paid the right amount without actually seeing the real numbers. That's the whole point that they are making that seems to just fly over everyone's head.

[@MiddleMAGA]

Captivating interview right here. Great stuff!

[@L.m.CeeTee]

He just really like hearing himself talk.

[@FlyAwayChi]

A disagreement about money is not a creative difference🤦‍♂️

[@mikelo142]

Dude is delusional

[@whatudoin1]

I saw this coming too when the spotify deal was over and Mal was calling fans idiots for saying Joe didn't handle it right. Deep down Mal and Rory were furious because they didn't get paid and didn't own sh... They were lying to themselves and I guarantee they had an exit plan and deal on the table without Joe

[@HennyAnderson]

It’s not just them tho look at the other podcasts that were on his network. That girl show had people leaving because of his fuck shit too

[@whatudoin1]

@@HennyAnderson I listen to that girl show from time to time . First girl left because they didn't get along. The pod itself left because they failed to attract people. They asked to be release. What's interesting is that in mal, Rory, girl pod... Joseph let them go without triggering a no compete clause. Personally I would made the boys sit down for 6 months and not allow them to hurt my business

[@masonldn8647]

Even Joe Rogan doesn't do the show by himself ,he has the guy behind the scenes who gets involved

[@tuesdayschild8994]

Yes but I think that's what it would of been. Don't call me white girl kind of does it herself and it is hilarious with people at the back.

[@dmtmediabrothers]

Yeah jaimie plus security and others

[@banditboybanks5959]

He has a guest every episode

[@nkosistrainbullies5806]

Joe doesn't do the show by himself don't you hear him and see him talking to other people.

[@leemajorsherod1]

Sigh.....this is why lead singers go on to have solo careers. Because they are the main attraction.

[@demetrius36869]

Where is the whole joint

[@TheMone4000]

Aint no way mecc fit all them dreads in that beanie 🤣🤣

[@72vince27]

Matt asked a really good question at the end. And I just know Joe about to dodge it.

[@MoeSizlak]

He talks around the issue. They saw themselves as partners in creating something and he saw them as employees. He refused to show them the books so they could be paid on the points they were promised. Joe saw himself as the boss and that the show couldn’t exist without him so he was entitled to the bigger cut and complete control. Joe didn’t want to disclose the real revenue created and they got tired of being jerked and lied to!

[@saucyfaces]

Exactly. 🙏🏽

[@MrDwight107]

you don't go from partner to salary

[@humbledrum1]

Love Joe man. Hustle is air tight

[@TheDominicKellmanPodcast]

Bruv Mal basically sat there for like a year saying that’s crazy lol

[@mrlogick1098]

Everybody time is ticking when you dealing with Joe 😂 That’s the problem

[@certifiedzoob2710]

Joe could definitely host a show by himself now that he more seasoned and he's also entertaining to watch when he gets invested in a topic🤣🤣

[@ellisf5013]

For some reason he still don't. it's like he needs co-host

[@jaystrong5018]

naw,Joe the pod father..he can knock them shitsbout on his own,just him and parks

[@CapQuest1]

Listening to joe for 3 hrs twice a week plus pateron is Disgusting

[@terrelljenrette5122]

Facts

[@PressPauseProductions]

All that stuff Joe named doesn't exist anymore though (Everyday Struggle, State of the Culture, Pull Up and all the other shows on his network)

[@robertjohnson2750]

Joe: I don't wanna be a salaried nigga. Later Joe: I would DIE for a salary. This nigga can't help lying.

[@IndigoUchiha26]

One of the realist channels on KZbin 💯

[@yashara2283]

It’s always everyone else’s fault except for Joe

[@yeneva1983]

I stopped watching when Rory and Mal left!!!! They have a great podcast on their own.

[@Eagles2020]

@@flygenyus2186 not really. It fell off after a few episodes

[@tajali8001]

Man Joe was one of my favorite rappers, "walk with me" is super dope...and his "mood musik" mixtape series are incredible and underrated.

[@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t]

Def Jam Fight 4 NY

[@Cyzure]

"pray for me" off Padded room is my jam

[@RVA3215]

Salary = No ownership!!!!

[@BLCancer]

If they weren't getting a salary from the start. It's a dick move to give them a salary when your show becomes successful.