Joe Dumars addresses 'indefinite' suspension decision for Draymond Green | First Take

[@blacklion8133]

I wished Stephen A interviewed like this more often. He actually sounds like a journalist here.

[@NoName-cn3cp]

He is always on point when the other person commands respect. If the other person is not an equal he will run all over them.

[@SquidysTents]

It’s just like the talking heads on Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc. They can be journalists when they have to, but that’s not what they get paid for. They’re entertainers first and foremost

[@davidbailey9073]

YOU EVER WATCH THE SAS SHOW? PAST AND PRESENT 🤔

[@JaySaidy]

First take isn’t a journalist show. It is an opinion based debate show and sometimes folks miss that. Stephen A. has a journalistic background though and worked for the Philadelphia Enquirer: and came to ESPN as a journalist and beat writers for the 76ers and NBA overall. However he host a debate show and has to give his opinion while keeping it entertaining via hot takes. Folks get mad at that because they expect sports news from these debate shows that are about subjective opinions.

[@davidbailey9073]

@@JaySaidy O............K🥴

[@eduardoiniestra8007]

It is great to see players like Dumars still involved in the NBA. Players of his stature still have so much to offer to the game without needing to be coaches or directly involved with a team.

[@philb.1502]

He's an ex player who retired 25 years ago! He's an executive now.

[@popunkid]

This comment is highly underrated.

[@drk.i.a.2969]

Hes a newbie (maybe) & wants to sound insightfull..cud be a casual or rotating instigator.

[@eladlasaint4590]

It is also ironic that he was a part of the "BAD BOYS" of the 80's LOL

[@SHOW_ME]

​@@eladlasaint4590 just means he's the right person for the job. He knows EXACTLY what goes on behind the scenes. Him and Isaiah were quiet "assassins"

[@wc4201]

Joe is an extremely underrated player, even in his day. Good to see this man is still around.

[@HoopsRaccoon]

It’s been almost 40 years since he won a chip. He’s not underrated, people just forget. He averaged 30 and was a finals mvp.

[@jonmolina948]

It’s ironic his teammates used to deliver gang beatings on the court. Now he’s suspending Draymond for a slap.

[@wc4201]

@@HoopsRaccoon good point. Really good defender as well.

[@bandobandicoot13]

good player, horrible gm

[@RicardoSilvas-uq6wn]

​@jonmolina948 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Actually Joe and Isaiah were alright but the rest of the Pistons, well...🤷🏿 The NBA was a lil more physical back then. I'm not cosigning playing dirty but the game was just more physical.

[@bohanxu6125]

Draymond, the nut kicker(x3), the eye poker (x4), the tackler, the chocker, the teammate puncher, the chest stumper, and the face slapper. Draymond really is the most well-rounded offensive player of our generation.

[@baldeagle4710]

CP3 is proud

[@Chris_598]

Lol

[@sephora_b]

He’s poked people in the eye in 4 separate occasions???? 😮

[@Real-ez2lg]

​@@sephora_b2 of them is him poking Bron eyes😂

[@rooseveltwilliams1073]

You forgot one more, Draymond Green...the teammate that chased away future HOF teammate 😉 Idc I will always believe that's why Durrant wanted out. He was sick of Green in the locker room.

[@406dn7]

Getting Draymond better is NOT the most important thing. Provding some measure of player safety from Green is quite a bit more important.

[@alberttate8198]

how they do that?

[@Mr.MasterOfMind]

Getting draymond better is the root cause to provide player safety.

[@truthteller5521]

@@Mr.MasterOfMindyou’re a naive optimist if you think Draymond can get “better”. This is who he, inherently, is.

[@JW-km3by]

Totally agree.

[@deadskinnation1411]

He's playing basketball, yall weirdos acting like he's eat people or something..bunch of weird ppl I swear

[@FatherofFFD]

A 33 year old “kid”? This is part of the problem. When you call a grown man, a husband & father who happens to be a professional athlete a KID, you are perpetuating the problem. Adults are responsible for their actions & must suffer the consequences of their actions as part of the accountability that comes with being an adult.

[@92kris]

He’s a kid compared to 60 year old man

[@Los150]

To Joe Dumars he is a kid lol but you’re right

[@BillyDee45]

...this guy is an idiot ...don't pay him any mind ...who doesn't understand what he's saying?...A KID that's who@@92kris

[@mrmartywaring]

Agreed! When you stop playing basketball for room & board & start playing for mortgages, you have to become a man

[@tenminainvesting1544]

Joe didn’t mean it like that… Joe is 60 something years old so everyone in the NBA is a kid to him lol. But he immediately corrected himself after he said it.

[@Someonereallycares]

The NBA has allowed Draymond to behave like this for years. He has always displayed very dirty and sometimes measured un-remorsed violence

[@ericpeters0n]

Enabling is not too strong a word.... It's just one that's tough to know when to apply.

[@tashamckoy33]

Yep

[@heyitsnunez]

Not true. Nba has suspended him everytime. He has the 2nd most suspension in nba history. This draymond just doesn't care. I'm not a NBA defender but this ain't on the NBA. This is on him. Plain and simple.

[@JoseVargas-bs8gx]

Lebron is waaay dirtier he juss protected by the league and refs.

[@janc9076]

​@@heyitsnunezit's NBA's fault though for not giving his harsher punishment each time.

[@vedder10]

Draymond is no kid, once he got that paycheck he becomes a professional who should be treated like a professional. He needs to be held accountable as a professional.

[@TheTyree72]

He corrected himself. He knows him personally. Lol 12min interview and that word shook you.

[@vedder10]

@@TheTyree72chill out clown. My comment obviously struck a nerve in you.

[@striderhanzo]

Tell that to another 60yr old about how a 33-year old man is still a kid to him. Dumars was 27 when draymond was born. Yeah - he can call him a kid if he wants to. People born in the 50s and 60s will always call people born in the 80s and beyond - a kid.

[@vedder10]

@@striderhanzoyou missed the point. He’s a professional when he’s being paid professional money. Geez some people have problems with reading comprehension.

[@eeJOKERee]

@@vedder10 more and more people that lack the common sense always like to express their opinions first instead of understanding the initial statements.😂

[@robertwood2448]

The entire conversation was about what is best for Draymond. What about all the other players in the league? What about the millions of fans that watch their favorite players get beaten and choked by Draymond Green?

[@baldeagle4710]

Joe is biased cause Draymond is from Michigan and knew him personally when he was growing up. Joe has 0 sympathy for Nurk.

[@penkima4923]

Well, what about them? Dray is suspended as of now.

[@sh0cktim3]

He's indefinitely suspended without pay. What more do you want? He's Literally gonna lose millions this year.

[@kodongo87]

@@sh0cktim3 Correction: He literally cost himself millions this year.

[@ozzystevenson]

Getting Draymond emotionally and mentally better is the best thing for the players. Suspending him for 15-30 games wouldn't do anything. He may not choke guys or swing but he would still do all of the other things that are constantly annoying and on the line.

[@konalab1]

All I'm hearing is that Draymond will not be held accountable and the goal is not to establish a hard boundary and set of rules for players to follow but to figure out a way to get Draymond back on the court while still saving face to the public.

[@SIRUSSAYS]

DRAYMOND GREEN TRADED? - kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4auY4Jjl8Z0g5o

[@micheleanderson9796]

I think they know something is wrong mentally with Draymond

[@josephmarch7142]

You know he's not getting paid for any of these games?

[@intunewiththeworld864]

@konalab1 Getting suspended indefinitely without pay is not being held accountable in your opinion? I’d hate to know your version of punishment.

[@anthonycolozzi8256]

He should be suspended for the entire season without pay. This is such an easy decision in my opinion. Draymond has been getting away with this his whole career and it needs to stop. Nurkic should press charges as well. Just because it’s during a game doesn’t excuse it, it’s still battery.

[@garrusvakarian6322]

Obviously Draymond is an A hole but I also blame Steve Kerr. Get control of your players. Stop apologizing for him and enabling him. Be a man.

[@cyberbron2077]

The warriors organization in general needs to man up. None of them ever check him on anything. You never hear of the organization taking things into their own hands and handling draymond.

[@elementkx]

Draymond should be a man and control himself. Their only option is to fire the guy, but Im sure they respect him enough not to. So its up to Dray and his family, not his boss.

[@yungface012]

Kerr,Curry , Klay , and the organization

[@cyberbron2077]

@@elementkx that’s true but the organization standing by and watching him repeatedly f*ck up is part of the reason why he’s acting this way. He’s never had any real repercussions for his actions from his coach, teammates or the higher ups in the organization. Like when he punched Poole, the first thing they all did was try to deflect from the punch and focus on who leaked the video. It’s so weird how they walk on egg shells with him.

[@marcianusvalerius1992]

Steve Kerr is a soft woke soy boy. These types enable and excuse bad behavior pathologically. It's in their DNA.

[@FOR3V3R_33]

When Joe said, when u put a number on it then you’re not living up to what the definition of indefinite is! That is straight facts n I felt that

[@caseyc9658]

Yeah, I liked that. Joe Dumars seems like a solid guy.

[@JM-qn3tf]

That makes absolutely zero sense…

[@FOR3V3R_33]

@@JM-qn3tf it’s makes zero sense but 109 other ppl thinks it does so u tell me 109 vs 1 who really not making sense 🤡az goofy

[@JM-qn3tf]

@@FOR3V3R_33 just means there’s 109 goofies like you

[@GodsChild122]

@@JM-qn3tf🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔makes a lot of sense. They are actually saying whenever he gets better , then that’s when he can return . People or things don’t change because of time , but they can possibly change within time

[@mistaslaphappy]

I find it somewhat hilarious that nobody is talking about the players he punched needing help …just Draymond 😂

[@baldeagle4710]

It’s pathetic. Joe is biased cause dray is from Michigan. “We want to help you get better” as if Draymond is going through something. He’s been like this for 10 years. He won’t change

[@Chasezilba]

@@baldeagle4710No sense of sonder

[@deerodriguez8992]

I can understand a person getting mad and turning around swinging maybe call the foul nurkic was dam near riding draymonds back

[@alfrules27]

So true

[@kenny9805]

what help do you want those players to get? explain it lol

[@bobbyorr6571]

Joe Dumars: an all time favorite player, human being, example for a lot of individuals to observe

[@supamadulaoblongatajr.8365]

It's always cool to see Joe D. He was the man in Detroit. We all still love him. He brought us 3 championships.

[@arvinpaculaba7013]

Not once was there a mention of making sure players like Sabonis, Gobert and Nurkic are safe and protected from reckless acts on the court.

[@rankobarensic]

Because Draymond is the victim😂😂😂😉🙈

[@Andre-sz5ww]

When they flop in addition to what happened to make it seem worse than it was....they made it clear they were ok😊

[@DNGR369]

​@@Andre-sz5wwworse than it was??? Hahahaha do you want to start where Nurkic was? You couldn't take it dude. Do you want to trade places with Gobert?? It wasn't that bad he says

[@studentofthegame1829]

@@rankobarensicscary how much sense you making. 😂😂😂

[@MyHandle4455]

True.. but that is also an underlying reason for getting him off the floor, I'm sure. They want to keep players minds on basketball, not on worrying if they're going to get blind sided by Draymond.

[@BenGrimm52]

This is why Draymond is always acting a fool. Not being held accountable for his actions.

[@FatherofFFD]

🎯 Exactly!

[@noeljohnson1069]

They eject and suspend him everytime he does something, what more do you want them to do put him in jail 🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@alliejr]

@@noeljohnson1069What more? No one is guaranteed an NBA job-- just cut him loose. He can throw down in the WWE or UFC, not on a basketball court.

[@ALav-he9gr]

@@noeljohnson1069 Yeps. Surrounded by real criminals

[@noeljohnson1069]

@@alliejr why would they cut him loose ?

[@jacobhughes9010]

Saying the nba, silver, dummars, and the warriors enabled him for a decade is absolutely not to strong of a word. It’s actually the perfect word

[@BryantBrothers-gm1qx]

Exactly

[@BourneKnight]

You guys including Stephen A were the first ones smearing the NBA for suspending him in 2016 don’t even try it smh

[@truthteller5521]

@@BourneKnight because he got suspended for a curse word and not the physical violence he constantly inflicts on others. 🤡

[@deadskinnation1411]

Dennis Rodman ain't get this treatment, nba fans are weird af

[@PMKru]

@@BourneKnightRight! Said They Woulda Won Because Of That Too 😂 Now Its F Dray…Ok 😅

[@hadlee189]

As an avid GSW fan it's really disheartening that the team didn't intervene with Draymond much earlier. If they had maybe everybody wouldn't be at this point right now. A lot of fans requested that Draymond go to Anger Management classes when he punched Jordan Poole in the face, but nothing was done. GSW front office just allowed Draymond slide.

[@alexha2884]

It’s hilarious these people describe this suspension as “getting help.” Draymond is 33, this is who he is. He ain’t no “kid”. No amount of “help” will change him. He will come back the same exact person.

[@delxinogaming6046]

Dumars, basically: “He’s a habitual line stepper”

[@mrmetoo8777]

He habitually steps over the line 😂 someone has to check him

[@masons9541]

big daddy joe needs to give dray a spanking while adam silver and steve kerr watch

[@camy205]

Dumars "DARKNESS!!!"

[@samigoat0211]

Steps on guys' chest too

[@baldeagle4710]

If dray were an average person he would be in prison for 30 years.

[@Galactic123]

I like Joe Dumars, he does a great job normally, but his close personal relationship with Draymond is coloring his approach to this, as well as Andre Iguodala, who was one of Dray's best friends and closest teammates.

[@GodOfRage809]

Tf if he was favored towards him he wouldn't be indefinite suspended

[@ShaadsComicsandBeers]

​@@1n_motionhe was one of the only Pistons that weren't dirty

[@philipmcdonald7132]

​@@GodOfRage809 Adam Silver is the reason he is indefinitely suspended, not Dumars

[@freshmenleaguebully2078]

facts this sounds bad and makes the league look bad

[@Virtualcritic111]

@@GodOfRage809exactly that’s was a bit or a person that didn’t watch the video

[@2quann]

This is a joke. This man nearly knocked another player unconscious and he's sitting here talking about getting Draymond the help he needs. What about the players who want him out the league indefinitely. He has proven time and time again even as went as far saying he doesn't apologize for things he does to other players.

[@highroller2320]

Nurkic even said he needs help so…

[@Oba7]

That was barely a punch stop it.

[@javerstubbs7809]

Facts

[@jackhack2167]

Stop acting like personally

[@nenee8855]

Which player wants him out? Speak for urself not the players.

[@GeezCats]

Just want to add: here’s hoping to see Stephen A be a true journalist more often. He asked the questions that needed answers, to the person we needed to hear from.

[@BB-ed4om]

Joe D is a true pro and a genuine person at that. Pistons fans will always hold him up as a pillar of the franchise, and an all around stand up guy.

[@jahwillreturn1315]

he was an original bad boy... you speak of Joe as if he was an innocent dove lol

[@STORM3SHADOW]

Love Joe Dumars. As a player, as a front office personnel, and now as a league exec. The dude has always done everything with integrity, so I back him 100% on the decision to suspend Dray indefinitely. I dont know why ppl always gotta bring up the Bad Boys stigma with him. He was probably the least confrontational player on that team.

[@Cryptum404]

This guy constantly defends greens actions.

[@PierceTheThird]

He’s helping him so I respect it

[@reallll2778]

True but that’s draymond’s mentor so I don’t blame him.

[@stynkus]

@@PierceTheThird Please; Draymond has consistently claimed he doesn't need any help; that he is who he is. The way they bend over to appease and enable his BS is now beyond ridiculous. What's next? He has to seriously injure someone before they start to even contemplate hammering him? Come on now!

[@PierceTheThird]

@@stynkushe’s getting him help it’s that simple lmao

[@Ivan-yq6ik]

⁠@@PierceTheThirdhelping him exactly with what? He’s A 33 year old grown man who has millions of dollars and access to unlimited medical and psychological services but continues to act like a lunatic by assaulting people, and somehow we should feel sympathy? If this was An average Joe in a job or any other profession acting foolish like this they’d be fired and arrested immediately. Dude is a grown man, common sense not to hit others

[@Cryptum404]

How much the nba paying this guy to Defend draymond over and over again?

[@PierceTheThird]

he tryna get him some help I respect it

[@awsohmvision]

You want the nba to ban draymond from the league completely? Draymond a 4 time champion and he put in alot of work in the nba, thats not going to happen bud. There going to give him grace and chances. They gave rodman a million chances.

[@FlaGiant]

Bro... He played on the bad boy pistons.

[@Freddie2916]

A lot

[@mickfoley9578]

@@awsohmvision not to mention the Grace that everyone is giving Josh Giddey.

[@jessewright8930]

Stephen A want this man to bash Draymond so bad but he on another level of maturity.

[@Cheap.Adventures]

I'm disappointed. They can't give a minimum number at least on how long he will be out. I know you want to help dray but he needs to pay for the consequences and that is the point. You give him 5-10 days suspension, I believe he's going to do it again. Give him something that he'll regret and that's where he will learn.

[@centaur70]

I don't agree.. The dude's been playing that way forever..He isn't going to change much no matter how long he's out.. I think he just need to control his body better. Watch his arms and legs. How he flails and all that ... That's all.. It has nothing to do with getting his life right like Dumars was saying. It has nothing to do with his life.

[@Cheap.Adventures]

@@centaur70 so your saying his body is acting on its own? C'mon now, someone needs to check Dray's emotional stability that dude clearly have anger management issues.

[@centaur70]

@@Cheap.Adventures ....It has nothing to do with anger management.. You think he was pissed off at Nurkic and he swung. ? It didn't look that way.. That's just his style of play... Like Dray said he was trying to act to get the foul call.. You know it's not done on purpose.. He just needs to check himself when he does all that extra acting.. Like Shaq said Dray doesn't need counseling. Counseling for what? For his acting job...LOL.. All these tech fouls he has committed are all done so he can sell the foul.. The only one that was out of place for me was that stomp on Sabonis's chest.. I thought that was not necessary. He could of hopped over hm.. This one here with Nurkic he was flailing his arms to wildly and happen to catch Nurkic......I think Kerr needs to sit down with him and tell him to put some thought into his acting skills.. Like to try hard to control his body... But talking to a counselor for what purpose..

[@talefing]

This is on the Warriors for not noticing his serial anger issues starting with the KD drama. They should've begged KD to stay and let Draymond go. Warriors could've easily won 6 more titles. You can replace a Draymond type easily.

[@xavierb9061]

Lol draymond is reason warriors won. Without draymond steph is another luka jus puttin up numbers, while other team puts up more

[@nellydavis7645]

@@xavierb9061 stop

[@ESVMARZ]

Who won another ring after they separated

[@jensweller6242]

I have seen Joe in the late 80s as a player and Piston. See him now the way he talks...wow. He is even more impressive today as he was as a player. Great dude!

[@written12]

He is an impressive man. But he’s also part of this culture at this point in time. In other words, he tends to talk in therapeutic terms about anti-social behavior, and emphasizes that being just punitive is a bad thing, when in fact they’ve given Draymond so many chances and he doesn’t seem to care

[@Halloffameproductions]

In other words, Draymond Green is burnt out mentally and he needs a break/vacation from work to clear his head. Whenever he feels better, he will be back.

[@Halloffameproductions]

#HallsSportsAlmanac

[@bethr7621]

He needs a PERMANENT VACATION!

[@nycyaofan]

making 26mm a year playing basketball... he's really burnt out.

[@MyHandle4455]

He should have done that during the summer. He's paid millions ... millions ... to get himself ready both mentally and physically by the time the season starts. If he can't do his job, then he should find someting else to do.

[@isessogroup]

They are complete idiots. Anyone who sees what Dumars is saying as forward thinking is delusional. This is pathetic. All he's talking about is letting a full grown man have a fkn vacay. He doesnt even want to say its a punishment. Pathetic. What a joke

[@LEXRAPS]

The lighting on Joe Dumars makes him look like a final boss of a video game lol

[@mikep3455]

😂😂😂😂😂 That comment is Hilarious!

[@popsinspace2565]

Joe has always been a class act!

[@brentmar2635]

So worried about helping Draymond, the assailant, now. Where was this when Jordan Poole was assaulted?

[@BryantBrothers-gm1qx]

Exactly

[@jacobhughes9010]

Joe is right the only persons interest they take into account ever is draymonds. The safety of the rest of the players is clearly less important to them since they’ve let him run a muck for a decade now

[@SIRUSSAYS]

DRAYMOND GREEN TRADED? - kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4auY4Jjl8Z0g5o

[@Throw-ct7cv]

Michigan State connection

[@drakevick1646]

This is why I like Joe Dumars. He cares A LOT about the guys in the league today, which is really a breath of fresh air from his generation

[@nbayoungjerry]

He's an idiot. He doesn't care for players. He's trying to give his buddy Draymond a smack on the hand

[@morrismims5327]

Joe dumar is full of crap, he is an enabler

[@scottharm3932]

If he "cared" about the players in the NBA, he wouldn't be so soft on a thug like Draymond

[@adidzis]

Joe Dumars is like a Papa Joe for today players.

[@nikofoto]

What has he done for the players that Draymond abused? He’s protecting the NBA money. That’s all.

[@tomaspenna2815]

It's absolutely insane that they keep mentioning that the victim is Green, and not all the players he assaulted.

[@jeremyellismusic]

People are so happy to see Joe Dumars in the league, but us Pistons fans are quite happy that he's not running the Pistons anymore! He's the guy that started the cycle of losing with the AI/Billups trade. That said, he's a great guy and we still love him.

[@dusttaker]

ya the Pistons are really doing so much better now that Joe isn't there. smh

[@jeremyellismusic]

@@dusttaker Brother, as I said, he was the one who started the cycle of losing, quite literally. Trading away Billups immediately resulted in the Pistons barely making the playoffs, getting swept by Cavs, and then the next he he used the cap space on... wait for it. Charlie Villanuava and Ben Gordon. Guess how that went? Have a good day, sports fan.

[@dusttaker]

he won 2 titles as a player and one as a GM have a nice day.@@jeremyellismusic

[@flex2timez]

Should’ve been 20 games off the top

[@jenkericj]

Hmm they should have kicked him out the league forever to set an example. Especially to his own kids.

[@AB1B1]

for the choke.

[@lawrencemiller750]

30

[@srb980]

We’re here because the league has been pacifying this guy for years. This sounds like they can’t wait to see him on the floor again regardless how egregious this looks. I’m sick and tired of this guy getting preferential treatment from the league, the refs and the Warriors. The NBA had an opportunity to make a stand, to make a statement and to show some leadership here and yet they failed miserably. The message I get from this is that the league is soft and the league will coddle you and pacify you until something really really bad happens. That’s what’s gonna have to happen. Somebody getting hurt really bad. Pathetic.

[@Yucare472]

You just mad the Warriors won more than your team, sweets

[@poocrayon4588]

All these idiot sportscasters and those involved in the league seem to think theres people who actually watch for Mr triple single

[@biblereadings7617]

@@Yucare472Warriors fans are still mad the Toronto Raptors destroyed them in 2019 for a championship, destroying them for the final time on a Golden State Home Arena, and also allowing Kawhi to end there dynasty of the KD Warriors.

[@biblereadings7617]

Its alright. The league is tarnished since the ref scandal back in the 2000s. Also Draymond is friends with Dumars. You heard it here. Also they got Draymond’s buddy in the league office by the name of Andre Iggy. This is done in terms of its popularity. Cant wait to see what they’ll do once LeBron and his batch of what’s left in the nba retires. I can’t imagine they put Ja “i like carry guns and threaten to shoot people,” Morant as the face of there league.

[@portcityrcjunkie9306]

Draymond isn't even a good player. They could do without him.

[@brianrosero1706]

Watching this will end up being 5 games and will end up getting thrown out of a game at least one more time this season 😂

[@jonathanorange4852]

I love how he calls him "Stephen"

[@gfor3]

Joe dumar and bad boy pistons handing down suspensions is wild lol

[@kelvinlittle6550]

As a Player as a GM or a Ex in the Frontoffice Joe Dummars has always been a Class Act💞💯👌

[@lemar2122]

They talked about Draymond for 3 entire segments. But only talked about Giddy for 3 minutes. 😂😒

[@nbayoungjerry]

Draymond has been assaulting players for years on camera. Giddey is a police investigation.

[@ESVMARZ]

​@@nbayoungjerryGiddy has been assaulting girls for years

[@morks4716]

Get off draymonds d

[@98slime86]

Ones actually about yk basketball

[@Galatians516]

30 games is enough for him to get better.

[@kenjie1646]

with that JA MORANT should have been suspended for 2 seasons stfu !d!0T

[@ArtistGoodLefty]

He needs mental help. The rest of the season is appropriate.

[@MikkiChavez]

Mental help for what!? Technology has allowed us to have the most kind boggling opinions ever

[@kenjie1646]

@@ArtistGoodLefty looks like you need it more

[@Terry-hc4iw]

He might not be back on the court the rest of the year tbh. Indefinite at this point after everything means go sit down.you dont need to be playing basketball right now. So that means he gotta go get help without even thinking hes coming back. Then after that we can talk about a return date. He wont be back in a warriors u more than likely

[@leonardcollins8122]

I'm really annoyed with our culture of having great concern for the abuser? Let's help the guys who got humiliated, injured, and unfairly judged . They need emotional, social , and physical support also...😡

[@elfitty6600]

Exactly what I said, its a soft, wrong and vague position by the NBA,

[@Paulino813]

Joe dumars is a legend! Really enjoyed this clip without Stephen A getting rowdy as usual. Great journalism

[@Nostalgia9478]

"Indefinite" will end up being 5 games lol

[@markbartoszek8585]

What's your point? It's dependent on Green to "get better." The league is expecting to nip this in the bud when it comes to his behavior, which is why they didn't put a number on the suspension. If Green gets better within 5 games of being out, he will be expected to never do this sort of thing again. If he does, he'll be out of the league. There is no other punishment you can hand out beyond "indefinite." I believe this is Green's final opportunity to right himself.

[@Jesse17jj]

haha wouldnt be surprised

[@mallurypollard7815]

So…set a number? That clearly worked in the past with Draymond 🙄

[@Nostalgia9478]

@@mallurypollard7815 I agree with Stephen A David Stern probably wouldve suspended him the rest of the season, fair or unfair

[@mickfoley9578]

Y’all want him to serve 20+ games for slapping someone… like when did we get so soft as a society 😂😂?? Mind you Josh Giddey smashed a 15 year old and hasn’t been suspended yet. But you’re pleading for Draymond to get a lengthy suspension for slapping someone lol.

[@mohammadalanazi4977]

“But we can also be human in this too”??? How about the humans he is hitting every time?

[@mikep3455]

Exactly!!!!

[@junomaxzoey5146]

Joe Dumars and Andre should have recluse themselves from this process because they are bias for Draymond. Draymond had showed no remorse for hurting multiple people. His history of thug-like behavior is immense. He doesn't square- up on people..he sneaks in from behind and choke, hits when the players were in no position to defend themselves, kick peoples' ball for no apparent reason, sucker punched his teammate, insulted Kevin Durant, his teammate, on a nationally televised game. Then lie and say during the press conference "I am not really intending to hurt him." Draymond is a thug and a coward. The NBA and the GSW enables him.

[@summerninetyfour4690]

If this ain't the pot calling the kettle black. They have a Bad Boy regulating foul play. You can't make this up.😂

[@mikehinson5935]

Great interview and great answers from Joe. I’m pleased that they want DG to get help.

[@jimmywhite5209]

Joe’s speaking sort of reminds me of the way Michael Jordan speaks. Pure class.

[@cyberbron2077]

Calling MJ pure class is hilarious lmao.

[@TheMissiIe]

​@@cyberbron2077learn to read, he said Jordan has a classy tone to the way he talks, he never said Jordan was pure class. If you gonna hate, do it outside your mom's basement

[@heirrose1606]

Fuckthatshit Dumars is deliberate but dirty by downplaying Draymond's initial punishment and sitting here babying that POS.

[@Silkblvq]

High IQ

[@cyberbron2077]

@@TheMissiIe I said it specifically because Jordan didn’t speak in a classy tone to his teammates. That last line was far from classy also but you’re a Jordan defender so I’m not surprised.

[@irvingvaldez11]

How can it be the aggressor being treated like the victim here?

[@darkcldzy2222]

Crazy times we live in. I've yet to here any of the media "aggressively" condemn the behavior. Closest was Nick Wright. Every one else got the kid gloves on. Impressive how Draymond got all these people spooked out here 👻 😂😂

[@Webxhed]

Joe Dumars makes it sounds like Draymond is the victim here, crazy Draymond is the one who is abusing players and the game, not the other way around Where is the concern for player safety?

[@AB1B1]

Draymond is having some mental issues to work through

[@Oba7]

Joe dumurs was a nasty as Draymond as a player.

[@rjsingletary6794]

Funny Joe Dumars is talking about draymond behavior but his pistons was doing this every game 😂

[@aaronflowers8881]

He wasn't. Why do yall keep saying this?

[@LuckyJackson2020]

does Curry ever call Dray on the phone & say hey man chill out? lmao no wonder he never mentioned in best ever convo u gotta be the leader in more than pts

[@penkima4923]

Draymond Green is the leader of the Warriors.

[@lamarbell9620]

BS

[@andrewdurand3181]

bs

[@Cryptum404]

Bee Ess

[@adebayofemi-aborowa8458]

I guess he's leveraging on His relationship with Draymond...because I'm surprised

[@fwpure0153]

Dumars, Kerr, and others talk about getting professional counselling… just today in Yahoo Sports Dumars said “I think there’s also an obligation to help these young guys get better in maturing and how to deal with things.” he mentioned a lot about players history to make decisions for suspension… and when you look back at Rasheed Wallace comment about Draymond when he was young, where he got a lot of time with Detroit pistons… so, what I'm saying is, it all adds up to what he is now… and players do need professional counselling… not only NBA players because young kids do imitate idols… if you're at the Detroit pistons locker room at a young age… you look up to them, and when the BAD BOYS do something terrible to a player… it sticks! It's bigger than basketball or any professional sport… they look mature, but they're not! Players should think about their responsibility to society, kids, and fans that help contribute positively to the betterment of an individual growing up… just my thought as a parent who loves NBA…

[@acesnsuitcases]

Well said.

[@princeali3409]

Exceptional interview 🔥

[@jimmyphan2347]

the only thing to help Draymond better is to teach him a lesson, he is acting like a child, his team is loosing and he is not what he once was, so he just acting out. Come down hard on him, heavy suspension so he know next time he do this again, it is over for him.

[@jaysouthmusic8230]

That’s if there is a next time David stern would have him out the league

[@artimp152]

Who was commissioner when Shaq was fouling in the paint ? When Piston bad boys were injuring people for a season ? Just who did Stern eject from the league ?

[@aaronflowers8881]

They're not loosing they're LOSING. It psses me off how adults continuously misspell this word. Stop being lazy and spell it right.

[@TheRealMichaelP]

So basically the NBA and his personal relationship with Joe Dumars allows them to continue to enable Draymond

[@scimbrelo]

They just gave him an indefinite ban

[@TheRealMichaelP]

@@scimbrelo what does that even mean other than they didn’t wanna get ridiculed for going too light?

[@scimbrelo]

@@TheRealMichaelP Well, you used the word " allows" , which is present tense. But Joe dumars and the organization that he represents as an executive vice president just indefinitely suspended the person in question, effectively nullifying the remark that you made from being accurate. He's also been suspended a half dozen times, which is literally disabling him from playing/continuing the behavior. You also bring up the concept of being ridiculed, which is something that you manufactured entirely in your own mind as being one of their motivating reasons. Do I need to continue or are you still confused

[@TheRealMichaelP]

@@scimbrelo so Dumars did nothing, you still can’t tell me what that even means….

[@scimbrelo]

@@TheRealMichaelP he's banned from playing basketball in the NBA.

[@jonhosey551]

This might be the last time we see Draymond on the court. He said it himself. You can lead Draymond to counseling but you can't make him change. The GS dynasty is officially over.

[@adrianlopez7934]

Lmao cmon man that ain’t happening

[@rhombo323]

I've seen crazier theories

[@heirrose1606]

Did you even listen? Dumars is on here talking about sending Draymond to several Spa Days then inviting him back with open arms and baby blanket hugs

[@Panazoniac]

​@@heirrose1606 exactly. 💯

[@nellydavis7645]

Green can be replaced

[@josephfisher9323]

Sir Charles has the best take on what is happening with Draymond.

[@rogerwelsh2335]

I’m all for “helping people” but we should help people who are hurting themselves, NOT people who are hurting other people!

[@acro2324]

There’s a lot of ppl that fall into that category that WE SHOULD HELP.

[@jmcgee39]

Has he ever addressed why he took Darko over Melo lol.

[@jg4992]

He fu ck ed that one up 😂

[@KhabirBey]

😂😂😂😂

[@bronxshenanigans5302]

Nah deadass though 😂😂😂

[@SIRUSSAYS]

DRAYMOND GREEN TRADED? - kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4auY4Jjl8Z0g5o

[@mkryona4u-bl8ib]

That sure didn't stop the Pistons from winning the title that year, did it?

[@roroonthegogo653]

And that’s the problem…well if old Grayson Allen start back kicking people make sure they keep the same energy for him. This is a shame

[@jamesnichols5998]

the NBA trying to "Help" draymond, what a joke

[@Vision25-k5w]

Blessings 🙏🏾❤️🙏🏾 I love Joe Dumars views, even his maturity as a player. They have to get Draymond to see this children are watching him, children around the country is watching him. Violence is everywhere, Our communities, Our TV's etc. Our spot light personalities have a responsibility to help change. The media want to see a fall guy. Very common in the USA. They never attribute rehab to Black Americans. Draymond needs help, I wonder how his family feeling etc.

[@jlthewiseman2560]

Just like in corporate America, the only way to effect the behavior of a wealthy person is through extreme financial penalties.

[@jacobhughes9010]

If Grayson Allen was doing all of this would they defend him and go easy on him like this?

[@marcianusvalerius1992]

No he ain't a so called "brotha" and therefore doesn't have the complexion for protection & connection.

[@chrisdamon1096]

​@@marcianusvalerius1992😂😂😂

[@TheMissiIe]

​@@marcianusvalerius1992bars

[@louischase994]

He's white they would

[@heirrose1606]

lmfao You think the guy who directly benefited off the all-time dirtiest player white Bill Laimbeer is going to be tough?

[@Teddy42O]

Dumars went soft

[@PierceTheThird]

He don’t gotta slap up Jordan no more 😂😂

[@jaysouthmusic8230]

@@PierceTheThirdright😂

[@Freddie2916]

Bruh he’s like 60 years old now

[@RickRijuanaPro]

Draymond is like the kid they say is a good kid but is always in some that's affecting others negativity

[@jeffmilligan7030]

I have the greatest respeçt for Joe Dumas as a player and as a leader

[@johnsmith_1942]

So much worry about Draymond and how he feels. What about the guy who got smacked in the face for no reason? I think he needs a season long penalty, or until he comes out and admits he was wrong and is mentally unstable. He should apologize for his past actions also and be humbled.

[@narrickcuz]

I hate that we’ve become such a “get help” society. Yeah mental health is real but we have to stop throwing this out every time something happens. This man doesn’t need help getting better, he just needs better disciplining. This is nothing more than a guy who can’t handle that his team is mediocre and he’s a year or two away from being out the league. He just doesn’t care.

[@bethr7621]

AMEN. I agree!!

[@artimp152]

Discipline without help is useless. I appreciate the league joining the 21st century... People can get better, be better, and be held responsible for Not doing so... Let's see what's next.

[@easylife6348]

Bro they gave him an indefinite suspension meaning if he isn’t changing he won’t be able to play. NBA know what they’re doing.

[@filltheglass2618]

This guy is focusing on rehabilitation. If I were another NBA team with an “Asset” i.e. the players that are at risk of being vandalised i.e. Draymond led in injury, I would be pissed and anxious this could happen again

[@cyberbron2077]

I mean rehabilitation is what prevents Draymond from doing it again. You can't suspend the guy and not make it mandatory that he gets help because then the suspension is useless. We don't know what Draymond would do during his suspension, he probably wouldn't work on whatever is causing him to be so aggressive. At least getting him help ensures there's an effort to not only punish him but to bring him back as a better version of himself so it doesn't happen again.

[@filltheglass2618]

@@cyberbron2077 What he's doing is assault disguised as basketball actions. It's not the league’s prerogative to help him stop assaulting people. He and GSW should be fined HEAVILY. Assault will not be tolerated, and his team will be responsible for carrying the risk on their roster. Eventually, Green won't find an NBA team and he will be forced to restrain his urges to assault people. The focus and pity on Draymond is a joke. Imagine you did this at your work. Do you think you'll get ten strikes? Playing basketball in the NBA for millions is a privilege. The least they can do is be model citizens i.e. Kobe, Lebron, MJ

[@Portknocks]

Once he called Draymond a "kid" I knew this would be some BS. It's a wonder he does what he does. It's a slap on the wrist.

[@bethr7621]

He'll skate out of this shortly. And the NBA will be the enablers they always are. The best interview I've heard so far on this matter is Charles Barkley on the Dan Patrick Show.

[@Salhd10]

They did him dirty with that lighting 🗿😂

[@delshawnmcdaniel2828]

I can certainly appreciate Joe’s honesty on how executes think and operate and didn’t spoon feed the listeners and viewers any bullsh*t

[@penkima4923]

Draymond Green should be in prison at the moment. But, he's a millionaire, so he's above the law. Nobody is saying this.

[@cool_hand_rich4073]

That's exactly what he did

[@renegade4288]

Imagine regular 9-5 mfs getting this kind of sympathy...Draymond is lucky

[@dlvarcade9729]

Regular 9-5 people aren’t a multi-million dollar asset. Plain and simple.

[@rauldiaz3795]

Dremond might not play for at least a month. This is a smart move. By the putting a set amount of games, their not setting a president . If its about counseling, thats not a week or two, thing. That takes time.

[@artimp152]

6 months to 2 years ... Green acts out like a ptsd survivor - and there is no way players should be acting like this.

[@carpenterman504]

🤦my boy said president

[@Jermuson]

“Monday morning quarterback” that’s cold! 😂🔥

[@romancetrtmusic]

In other words respect my authority in my CARTMAN voice from South Park when Stephen A Smith kept asking for a number😅😅😅😅

[@marioramos6803]

Kudos to Joe Dumars for not giving into the question of what’s the minimum number of games. He just explained why no number was given & they care more about helping Green. That’s great integrity and professionalism shown by Mr. Joe Dumars. My respects to him. Stephen A needs to take a few lessons from him.

[@henrigreene3781]

I don’t think he’s going to change, he’s not a rookie coming into the league. He’s a veteran who’s been getting away with that crazy behavior for years. He doesn’t think he did anything wrong and if he’s allowed to come back he’ll do the same thing again. He doesn’t understand that playing at the highest level in basketball is a privilege not a right. It may be time for him to start the next chapter of his life. If his focus was on basketball that would have never have happened. They keep saying that ” he needs to get better”. So what’s wrong with him? What’s going on in his personal life that’s effecting his play.

[@baldeagle4710]

Exactly and winning the championships (thanks to Steph) made him even more narcissistic

[@larsmichaelsen215]

Why does Joe look sooo black, like they edited it on purpose to make it look like dooms day

[@plainsimple244]

The Bad Boys (1987-91): This team DID NOT end anyone's season or career due to injury; they didn't just go around hitting people upside the head and getting their key players kicked out of games continually -- you don't win that way at all....Those guys on the Pistons kept it on the court vs. the opponent and one thing nobody talks about concerning those Pistons' teams: THEY COULD TAKE IT! ...Meaning they didn't complain if you hit them, they'd just get up and knock down the foul shots and keep playing....They would manipulate the opponent, refs, game, score, and the entire situation towards their benefit. The Pistons had the same exact rules as everyone else; the Pistons DID NOT have special rules that allowed them to GET AWAY with anything....So when you look at Joe Dumars, he has a sportsmanship award named after him; Isiah Thomas was the President of the Player's Association; Chuck Daly represented the U.S. coaching the Olympic Team; Rick Mahorn was the first coach to win a title with 'The Big 3'; Bill Laimbeer has won multiple titles as WNBA coach; Pistons GM, Jack McCloskey was on the Olympic Team selection committee; the Pistons have always been a patriotic team and a team that has represented the NBA and its players well throughout.

[@aaronflowers8881]

I'm from Detroit and the Pistons are my favorite team but they easily could have ended someone's career.

[@plainsimple244]

@@aaronflowers8881 THEY DID NOT END ANYONE'S CAREER!....They could have also won in 1991 but they let Jordan win; they could have also kept Vinnie Johnson and James Edwards for the 1991-92 season but did not; they could have even done better in 1991-92 had they played (the late) Lance Blanks and started Aguirre while putting in Brad Sellers in the front court instead of Bedford when Daly was struggling to find a good line-up.

[@aaronflowers8881]

@@plainsimple244 I am so beyond sick and tired of stupid people not reading and comprehending! Start over dummy and read my post AGAIN! I said THEY COULD HAVE! COULD HAVE! COULD HAVE! I did not say they did. People are so ready to argue you pea brained fools don't read properly.

[@RyanRobertson123]

Dumars danced right around that minimum number of games expected question

[@BrandonNelson-ki1ym]

This is kinda weird. You don’t want to put a number on it but I think the general sentiment is there needs to be a minimum. The same way you treated the Ja Morant incident the first time around. He needs help but there is a minimum amount of games needing to be served along with a checklist

[@mickfoley9578]

Ja Morant was flashing guns and his friends pulled up on the pacers flashing lasers….. Are we seriously comparing that to Draymond slapping Nurkic and Choking Rudy Gobert? (which he’s already been suspended for).

[@llamaa6]

@@mickfoley9578ja didnt hurt anyone like draymond is consistently doing

[@mickfoley9578]

@@llamaa6 he didn’t hurt the teenager he beat up at his house? I’ll take someone slapping me the way Draymond slapped Nurkic over a group of people pointing guns at me any day of the week.

[@BrandonNelson-ki1ym]

@@mickfoley9578 I’m just saying he’s contradicting himself by saying I don’t want to set a number because we need to focus on him getting help. Didn’t they say Ja needed help but they still set a benchmark of 7 or so games? I’m not comparing the crimes, I’m arguing the punishment which in some ways can be compared because they are repeat offenders

[@makoygaara]

Yep and I smell something fishy about them not giving a definite number of games.

[@djedman10]

This actually put's Ja's suspension in perspective... The "help" part of the narrative was also present in Ja's case, in comparison to Draymond, Ja's really a kid. Yes he lied to Adam Silver, but so do all the players that don't recognize the error of their ways. Why haven't they given Ja an indefinite suspension too?

[@cyberbron2077]

Because Ja doesn't have a long history of doing dumb things. He had a stretch of stupidity but he's still young and his career is still young. Draymond's punishment factors in that he's been a repeat offender over the last decade or so plus he just came off a 5 game suspension.

[@djedman10]

@@cyberbron2077 so you're assuming Draymond will be suspended for more than 25 games... I don't understand your point

[@easylife6348]

@@djedman10 his point is nba gave draymond indefinite suspension because the nba knew draymond mental problems is getting worst and will cause other players to get ready to throw hands at draymond.

[@djedman10]

@@easylife6348 I understand that. But it still doesn't negate the fact that they could've done the same with Ja. An indefinite suspension to Ja would also enable him to seek help and return, maybe even before 25 games. Draymond gets that possibility, Ja doesn't and I can't understand why.

[@easylife6348]

@@djedman10 with this indefinite suspension it’ll be more than 30 game suspension because draymond said he wont change after he choked gobert, this indefinite suspension is just an experiment for draymond to see he’ll going to change before they really going to permanently ban him.

[@jimmyjones9265]

The fact that Joe is talking about structure he played for the Detroit boxers lol

[@aaronflowers8881]

He never tried to hurt anyone. That would be like me having a family full of really aggressive people and you automatically assume I'm one too.

[@pasturanasan]

Not sure if this is important, but it's curious to note that the last 3 players that Draymond hurt are all from Europe. The league's current position is to not be punitive, but perhaps Dray's 'victims' would like to see some sort of punishment, even just to make them feel that the league also looks after them, since they are also NBA players. Listening to Joe, it seems like they feel more sympathy towards Dray over Nurkic and the others. If this happened in a bar, Dray could've been arrested for assault of something. Would be interesting to see how the league would react if: 1. Dray punched Tyrese Halliburton, and 2. someone like James Johnson retaliates. *Was thinking about this whole idea of Dray being the "enforcer" of the GSW. It somehow feels performative at this point, like he's coming to terms with his basketball mortality and suddenly has this urge to prove that he's still valuable as a tough guy, even if he can truly impact winning even just with his intelligent play. I can't help seeing all this in the same light as when aging rockstars still try to live up to their hard-partying reputation, even if they're already with kids, living in the big house, etc., ending up being destructive not just towards themselves, but with all around them (family, bandmates) as well.

[@GGJforce]

Wow! It's the Great Joe Dumars! One of the greatest of his time! No one can help Draymond more than Joe Dumars!

[@Flare8124]

Draymond cooking up some secret tech for his first game back no doubt