Joe Hanvey attempts to debunk me ... by Destroying Flat Earth

[@nikorn24]

Never underestimate the ability of a flat earther when it comes to debunking the flat earth

[@FScott-m1n]

Wait long enough and flerf will unite General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics in a single elegant equation.

[@ivanpetrov5255]

​@@FScott-m1nNo way. They are allergic to math. There is this Darryl guy (I hope I'm not wrong about the spelling) that asks them to do math, and they twist themselves out of shape to not to 😂

[@FScott-m1n]

​@@ivanpetrov5255The operative phrase being "given enough time." If a a gibbon with a typewriter can recreate Shakespeare, flerfs can solve physics' biggest problem -- but only if they're trying to prove FE.

[@Requiem4aDr3Am]

@@ivanpetrov5255 I love it when Darryl asks them to show the math. The look of a deer caught in the headlights as they quickly deflect and try to avoid math at all costs.

[@michaeldunham3385]

​@@FScott-m1n I think you'll find the quote was an infinite number of monkeys

[@blankityblankblank2321]

Again Dave, your greatest strength is that you don't go and just insult flat earthers all the time. You make points or counterpoints using science and observations, make 1 or 2 minor slights a video, and that's it. We need more people that do this in discussions. Don't lose this.

[@ivanpetrov5255]

Has Dave ever insulted a flerf? I don't remember any cases like that. Compared to the rest of the debunkers, he is still very civil with them.

[@LaputaScorefinger]

Exactly. You don't need to gloat about being cleverer than a flat earther any more than you need to gloat about beating a grade schooler at arm wrestling.

[@marcosmith6613]

Thanks, was going to say the same thing. Stay kind

[@dom11949]

i rather enjoy professor daves snarky comments.. plus the good prof lights up the apologist not the rank and file.

[@Skivv5]

professor dave explains can't go 5 seconds without insulting someone, I told him I was religious and got harassed for 3 days straight by him and his fans.

[@paulriggall8370]

I used to ask flatearthers how the sunlight can hit the underside of clouds during sunrise and sunsets. Eric Dubai used to delete my question, so I know for years they’ve known about it and buried their heads in the sand.

[@RogueOrracle]

You're too kind. They're not burying their heads, they're lying.

[@thearmouredpenguin7148]

Dubious Dubay has always deleted any comments that question the accuracy of his assertions. He only allows his cult members and echo chamber to comment. Dubay knows full well that he's lying, but that's cult leaders for you.

[@dongordon4464]

Well - they bury their heads somewhere.

[@DerTyp-dc4jb]

Admitting to be wrong is such a strong move.

[@Elon_Tusks]

It is. But honestly, it's much easier to not assume we know everything like some people do.

[@DerTyp-dc4jb]

@@Elon_Tusks it’s not only much easier but also more honest. We can’t know everything

[@Benjiesbeenbetter.]

​@@Elon_TusksI've always been happy to tell people that I don't know anything. It saves them time finding out.

[@Requiem4aDr3Am]

Great job Joe showing us that the earth cannot be flat as his own video showed the flash of a reflection on the underside of the plane right at the start. Bravo

[@lo0katmyn4me]

Amorel has a good point. I tend to avoid channels and creators that go after people, insult appearance, behave in toxic ways towards others. I think the lack of that, the respect that Dave gives to even his detractors, is really cool and admirable. Good stuff.

[@GummieI]

Agreed, most flat earth debunkers, are really not better than the flat earthers themselves in how they behave, and never really "debunks" anything, rather just points fingers and laughs essentially. Dave McKeegan being one of the very few exceptions, to actually go out and explain why the flat earthers are wrong

[@SkullpunkArt]

⁠@@GummieImost of those channels have simply gotten tired of explaining the same old things every time a flerfer opens their mouth, it’s an exhausting task. I don’t blame them for their attitude towards them, but I agree that it’s less productive than McKeegan’s style.

[@MrOttopants]

I think it's effective to have a variety of different approaches and formats. It's why "good cop/bad cop" is a thing.

[@ABaumstumpf]

@@GummieI " and never really "debunks" anything" Which one? Most i see do show that the earth is not flat and do show that the flerfers are lying - and then proceed to rightfully mock them.

[@lo0katmyn4me]

@@SkullpunkArt I think it's fair to get tired of explaining the same points, but at that point, why continue making content around debunking or disproving flat earth?

[@murdoc4794]

Dave is the BEST debunker because he doesn't use name calling or sensational click-bait in his videos. Just calm, clear explanations. Glad he's going on TFE. He's a great representative.

[@Soundbrigade]

Agree! There’s a Danish (??) guy who always ends his video with “safe landing” and who illustrates things as brilliant as Dave does, but he’s seldom around nowadays.

[@timothyjarman2308]

The trip is actually working, that is great.

[@stevewhite6861]

Yeah and they haven't gone yet.

[@1ermejo4ever1]

It will only work on the minority of flat earthers. The majority of them believe in flat earth regardless of facts and logic, so "debunk" videos and "trips" are meaningless for them

[@drdave8607]

Never mind the whole "the sun has already set beyond the horizon" admission.

[@danielklopp7007]

Anyone who has ever been out on the ocean (far away from land) will note the stars are clearly visible near the horizon. If the sun is "too far to see" (thus causing darkness), how far away are those stars? 🤣🤣🤣

[@docostler]

During the Vancouver Olympics we here in Campbell River (about 180 km away) could easily observe the US AWACS aircraft they had circling over the area as a guard against terrorist attacks. You could frequently see the underside of the aircraft lit up by the setting sun.

[@RickDangerousNL]

He claims it reflects of the top of the plane. How would you see that if you're below the plane?

[@MrCanis4]

And didn't he say? "The sun has kide set BEHIND the horizon." How can something "Set BEHIND a Horizon on a flat disk?".

[@TheGahta]

Atop/below are just social constructs

[@MiddleMalcolm]

Flerf physics? 🤷‍♂

[@sandejzack]

obviously the plane is flat or CGI

[@brynjarborgersen8131]

Dave, what I like the best about your videos is how you explain everything. Nice and simple, just pointing out the flaws, and doing it in a very friendly way. Please keep them coming

[@sirex9244]

As i said previously I dont cate about schizophrenic flatearthers I just like to look at more and more ways to prove the shape of the planet

[@soulcrewblue8629]

One doesn't need any "more and more ways" maybe hundreds of years ago but today, no.

[@sirex9244]

@@soulcrewblue8629 i understand that, its just interesting to look at. New ways of thinking, new ways to start from, new points like " Wait lets look at here"

[@stuartgray5877]

@@sirex9244how about the fact that the moon rotates by the same number of degrees as your change in latitude if you move north/south across the globe?

[@Autoskip]

@@sirex9244 Yup, seeing new ways to prove the same thing can be quite interesting, and deepen your understanding of that thing - I've got the kind of brain that proves basic mathematical principles when I get bored for exactly that reason, and I've found a few different ways to prove that various methods of multiplication work, as well as some proofs of Pythagoras's theorem, and they often improve my understanding of some facet of mathematics. But then again, my brain's weird - I'm pretty sure most people don't get excited about buying a calculating device that predates them for the first time (on a *totally* unrelated note, I'm the proud owner of a circular slide rule).

[@mark.guitar]

@@Autoskip I used one of those to pass my A-levels back in the day. Mine had four layers that slid giving you multiple operations on the same rule, and places to store temporary numbers. No good beyond a couple of decimal places though!

[@velvetmagnetta3074]

There isn't a single person alive on this earth who hasn't believed one stupid thing or another at some point in their lives. It's how you handle being corrected, learning, and then teaching others with grace that makes you a genuinely good human being. Dave McKeegan is a genuinely good human being. 💕

[@helenaconstantine]

4:55 Besides his photographing the illuminated underside of the plane, his statement: "The sun has set behind the horizon over there" sure did a good job of debunking the globe.

[@Rev03FFL]

Earlier this week I saw a beautiful sunrise. The sun was still below the horizon but the undersides of clouds to the east were wonderfully lit from below with red, orange and yellow hues. For most people this is probably more common than finding a plane lit from below. I would hate to be at local noon when the sun is only a few thousand feet up.

[@ntdscherer]

They claim that the sun is actually shining through the cloud. That's why the plane is such a great counterargument because everybody knows the light can't pass through the skin of the airplane.

[@flowingafterglow629]

Wow, I just looked up "Hoisted on one's own petard" in the dictionary and found his video as an example.

[@S1nwar]

Dave offers a kind of argument derived objectivity that i wished politics would have

[@Rev03FFL]

Funny that in the interview between Will Duffy and Joe Harvey (at about 4:00), Harvey has several telescopes behind him with equatorial mounts. Harvey didn’t want to talk about that.

[@Daddyoh94]

Rusty's channel, feat. Dave McKeegan

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

He's a good doggo.

[@MiddleMalcolm]

...and we know Dave's perfectly fine with that! 🙂🐶

[@JohnGarciaOHMSS]

5:22 but, you could bring back the sun with a P950, can't you?

[@khandimahn9687]

The former flat earther hits on a major reason why I like McKeegan, and have issues with Prof. Dave. While I agree with the science Prof. Dave presents, I do not agree with how he fills his videos with insults, constantly calling people idiots or morons. That doesn't help. No one likes being called stupid, repeatedly, and it just drives people away, especially the ones he's trying to reach. McKeegan on the other hand, always seems like one of the nicest people you could meet. He never belittles anyone, it feels like all he honestly wants to do is teach people, open their eyes.

[@helious74]

Love your videos. Had a flat earther tried to accue me of using nasa cgi to trick people that space is real.

[@johnmclaurin2261]

The moral of the story; flat earthers never miss a chance to debunk their own theories.

[@bigdatapimp]

I appreciate how Dave addresses this topic without being arrogant or condescending. Even when responding to others.

[@mark-nm4tc]

A commercial for the Flat Earth Society once claimed they had members all around the Globe....🤣

[@bulwinkle]

It is also of note that some clouds in the video are also lit from the underside, debunking phlat erf.

[@evilducks3710]

So, his argument is that every video or picture of a plane with its underside lit up is… cgi or something? Sure, the one plane he looked at wasn’t clear for him, but that doesn’t change the rest…

[@aleksandrkandaurov8229]

As you see, even if he see a reflection on his video, he will deny that it is from the bottom of the plane. If you persuade him that it is from the bottom, he will say that it is light reflected from Earth surface and then from the plane. Or that camera manufacturers add special code to all camera firmware to draw these reflections. Or everything above at once. It is just a never-ending cycle of reality denial.

[@ericb3157]

MANY flattard have shown badly-out-of-focus pictures of stars, and claimed that proves stars DON'T EXIST. they are THAT pathetic.

[@davidaronson9475]

Huh, a flat earther is wrong. Who could imagine?

[@BiljanaAntic-t7g]

And this is why Dave McKeegan is my favorite debunker

[@daniellassander]

Flat earthers are experts at unintentionally debunking the flat earth.

[@Martin-b6p]

I must add that your dog is doing quite a good job to attract viewers. ;)

[@alexmatthews3484]

Last week I saw a high altitude aircraft lit up from underneath at sunrise, and a lower altitude aircraft all in shade. Will attempt to get a photo next time

[@exegetor]

It must feel great to hear an ex-cultist speak of you that way, Dave. Everything he said about you is why you were voted to go on the TFE trip. You won't mock, you won't gloat, and you'll be compassionate when you see team FE's world-view come crashing down.

[@az8theist977]

It is so annoying and childish when flat Earthers quote their debunkers using a "dumb" voice. Grow up Joe.

[@DavidGoben]

Has anyone who had to commute between Chile and Australia, where the fastest route is to fly over Antartica, ever noticed that there is no ice wall?

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

I want to know what kind of job you have to get in order to commute between Chile and Australia on the regular. That sounds awesome.

[@JohnGarciaOHMSS]

​@@Green_Tea_Coffee A Penguin feeder/ammo supplier

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

@@JohnGarciaOHMSS I'm in. Where do I send my resume? 🙂

[@chrispyfryguy]

​@Green_Tea_Coffee ill give ya the email of the second in charge. You must submit a blank non voided check and SSN as part of the background check.

[@Yehan-xt7cw]

@@chrispyfryguy Is the check sent to a nigerian prince?

[@dwindew]

It doesn't even have to be an airplane, the same phenomenon can happen to the underside of clouds! I love the sunrise and sunset when high stratus clouds glow orange and yellow from the sun shining on the bottom of them.

[@DharricRolyat]

I've seen videos by Creaky, FTFE and now you showing recovering flerfs admitting they'd started to come around after seeing debunking videos. Hopefully you all keep putting out content that starts to make these guys start to see reason.

[@SharkytheSharkster]

I sure would like to know why this Joe Hanvey dude has all those telescopes (INCLUDING EQ MOUNT!?!) in the background during his interview with TFE. Such a weird look for one of the biggest proponents of pizza land.

[@ShadowDoc]

I love the flerf's ideology of "I tried observation once and didn't see thing therefore all of science ever is wrong!" For observations in real science to become a standard, it is tested under scrutiny literally THOUSANDS of times through many different controls and variables.

[@shreyvarad]

Shout out to our favourite professor!!

[@bullnose01]

Obviously, we are all upside down. 😲

[@John.0z]

Well done Joe, even with a modest cell phone you demonstrated evidence for the globe. 🤣

[@Gapines23]

100% agree with his assessment of the channel, no insults, no attacks, just straight observation and simple explanation. Part of why professor Dave isn't as good, he's an insult machine for globe just like the angry insult Englishman is for flat side

[@MrOttopants]

Nice, another ex-flat earther. Hopefully, Amorel applies this reasonable skeptical approach to all areas.

[@leftcoastfunk]

Say what you will, but for an ex-flat-earther to be able to humble themselves and publicly admit they were wrong shows a level of maturity that frankly most of them just don't have I truly believe that at some point in their lives most every flat-earther actually does figure out that they're totally in the wrong but that they're so invested by that point (mentally, emotionally, socially, financially, etc) that the sunk-cost fallacy kicks in overdrive and they just keep the grift going strong as ever (probably reversing again and re-convincing themselves in the end lol)

[@PoeLemic]

How is this even possible -- in this Day and Age -- that someone can believe that the Earth is flat? This is so beyond my comprehension.

[@stevej71393]

I've thought about this myself. I think it's just an extreme version of hyper-skepticism brought about by a conspiratorial mindset. I've met a few people who weren't necessarily flat-earthers, but they were so skeptical about "established narratives" that they basically just question or deny everything that they haven't seen with their own eyes. It's basically an excuse to be a jerk.

[@MiddleMalcolm]

Welcome to the group! 🙃 Pull up a chair and get comfy...

[@ABaumstumpf]

@@stevej71393 "extreme version of hyper-skepticism" But they are bling believers with no scepticism what so ever. It is just indoctrination and hubris. "or deny everything that they haven't seen with their own eyes. It's basically an excuse to be a jerk." But they deny even what they them self have seen - as is evident with the subject of this video where he filmed a planes underside being bright and still denying that.

[@MiddleMalcolm]

Toon's First Law of Flerf confirmed once again! 😆 That's great that you were able to help someone get back on this side of the fence Dave! I love how everyone remembers Rusty when they talk about discovering this channel.❤ I've even caught guys like Toon having to say "the guy with the dog" when asking someone if they know your videos. 🙃

[@Thomas-fb5tf]

Huge W that you flipped a Flat Earther! And he had kind words for ya! Well-deserved. I wonder how many you can convert after Antarctica!

[@i4detail]

I recently flew on a plane taking off shortly after sunset and got to witness a second sunset a little later from up there. Same argument from a different vantage point but with less the confusion about hitting the right reflection angles in order to see a lit bottom of the plane. 😉

[@dudono1744]

A double sunset sounds like a slightly disturbing experience ngl

[@JavaBum]

@@dudono1744 "Chasing the sunset" or the "sunrise chasing you" are both pretty amazing experiences.

[@ABaumstumpf]

In some places you can get that with skyscrapers - it needs to be rather unobstructed and no mountains to the east/west, but can be quit nice to be on top of the building and see a sunrise, then go down and see it again.

[@samik83]

2:50 This is why Dave is so good at this. He doesn't ridicule the flat earther's but explains things calmly and respectfully . Thats how you get through to people.

[@scottjones7279]

Rusty said that if you have enough spare energy to move your hand around then rub me with it

[@bakuscout]

Always told people that’s why I watch you, over people like SciManDan. A lot of the rest of the debunking community are really abrasive and not fun to watch, but your videos feel like I’m sitting in a class, less debunking the flat earth, and more just learning cool stuff about the world.

[@adpop750]

I never learn anything, I didn't already know, from flat earth or flat earth debunking videos.

[@David-ru3gd]

A P950? Is this the latest Flat Earthling's go-to camera to prove that they are wrong?

[@robadams1645]

It's 50 better than a P900

[@ericb3157]

you know why they like those cameras? because they have an auto-focus function. flattards are too dumb to focus a camera themselves!

[@KinKnives]

How fast do they think the sun moves right before it sets?

[@PDG1956]

Well done Dave, gotta lie to flerf...

[@datsmay]

I just love your video’s. Hope you have a great time in Antarctica, don’t get sunburned at night.

[@valuemastery]

You're trying it with logic. Unfortunately that is someting flat earthers can't comprehend.

[@catalyst3713]

Wow. "Ex-flat earther" is a concept I never knew existed. There's hope after all, thanks to videos like yours, Dave.

[@mymumbakescakes]

We cant even comment on any of the recent videos from Joe. He is so scared of getting any criticism.

[@misternu]

I would put on some pounds before the Antarctica trip, my suggestion is Mexican food for maximum efficiency. I used to live in Chicago, and a few extra pounds in the winter always made for more comfort

[@mrpierre3355]

I am proud of you Dave! Well done. It's as that gentleman said, you never insult or berste, only educate.

[@officermeowmeowfuzzyface4408]

I tried kindness until they felt superior in every way and insulted me for knowing the earth is not flat. Mostly because kindness is usually misinterpreted as weakness.

[@john_blues]

Rusty, the dog, saving flat earthers. 🐶

[@CelliniCreations]

Far enough away that we can't see it????? How is the sun below a horizon too far away??? These people just defy logic.

[@CorwynGC]

Simple, the light from the sun coming straight at you doesn't reach you because the sun is too far away, but the light from the sun that bounces of the plane does reach you because the shortest distance between two point is bouncing off a plane.

[@patu8010]

Love to hear stories of people getting cured of the flat earth condition.

[@Yehan-xt7cw]

Frequently people post why to bother with debunking flat earth. Often I point out that there actually are flat earthers that come to their senses after seeing videos like these. Here again an excellent example as why these videos are important. Props to you Dave 👍

[@john_blues]

Toon’s 1st Law of Flerf in action: Flerf citations always contradict the flerf’s claim. No exceptions.

[@smithleon]

really good argument and hilarious 'debunk' that went totally wrong.

[@MrCanis4]

Every International Airport on this planet presented their flight overview on a Globe Map. Must be a very strong, very secure conspiracy between all those Airports, wouldn't it?

[@luridftwgaming8983]

The dog waving at the beginning lol

[@Katy_Jones]

Anybody want to guess he tried it with a long lens but kept getting results that didn't fit his assertions?

[@flatnicable]

In addition, at the very end of the video, there are clearly clouds visible at a higher altitude than the plane, and the clouds near the horizon, that are lit up from underneath... it is somewhat cute when they try, though.

[@ntdscherer]

"The sun is set behind the horizon" well right there that would already be impossible on a flat Earth.

[@jameskyle7943]

Of course he decides to use his out of focus camera instead of his glorious P-90000, and still debunks himself, then starts lying about it, then posts the video anyway. Way to go!!

[@wernerviehhauser94]

Does not matter. Joe can equally well shoot his foot with Benelli MP95E or a FN M1900, there's going to be a hole in his foot either way :-)

[@thechumpsbeendumped.7797]

8:05 Dog, “Hey dad? I’ve been a very good boy, time to stop talking about flat earth and give me a head scratch”.

[@daveg-Vancouver_Island]

Flerfs are always proving the globe, hilarious!

[@Fifasher2K]

Next they will rediscover globe Earth.

[@simonmcnicholas]

I was having a cigarette watching a plane fly overhead at dusk…. And I thought of you Dave 😊

[@toxmaster1]

As always you nailed it, but they will come back for sure with another stupid "explanation" and debunk.

[@TrailBikeMike]

After he pans away from the plane you can see clouds lit from below - so that debunks him too.

[@thorfinnmckenzie]

There is this video made somewhere in Asia (Thailand I believe) where they light up this huge firework. It's like a circle firwork setup. They light it and it spirals upward. With it being a firework, there is smoke which comes out the back end. In the video you see the smoke being in the shadow for the most of the journey upward untill the end where it just peeks above the horizon so to speak and you can see the colour of the smoke change to light grey. Same idea right?

[@LigH_de]

Another game in the Own-Goal Championship.

[@zzpazi]

Aaaaand it's gone! (his plane video on FB)

[@pianfarndt]

Love the videos. Excited for the antartica trip for you. Also, what's your dog's name? Such a sweety! 🐶

[@mikebirkett010]

I always have to laugh at the assured nature of these people's claims using an iPhone and P950. Science it ain't.😊

[@b4ph0m3tdk9]

Yes, you win people over by kindness and respect.

[@WestonNey3000]

It’s so funny because this is one of those phenomenons you can literally see a couple times a year if you try. I’ve seen it many times before myself. I’m a photographer and have some telephoto lenses and have taken pictures of this exact thing happening.

[@grahvis]

I used to live where I could observe summer sunsets over the sea, and the contrails of aircraft lit up by the Sun. Not only did I observe the Sun sinking behind the horizon with no change in size from that at midday, but also the point at which the aircraft flew out of the Earth's shadow. That point would start towards the east and move westward as the minutes passed. Exactly what could be expected on a spherical Earth.

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

Awesome job, Dave. Give Rusty a scritch or two from me🙂

[@Gandhi_Physique]

Simple, but effective. I await their very well-informed response.

[@agvaquero8361]

equally sunlight reflecting off the bottom of clouds

[@mrpositronia]

So, there are two types of flat earther, the ones who are happy to be convinced of a globe, and the ones who will deny everything they see.

[@raf952]

Even Rusty understood that perfectly...

[@markcostello5120]

07:25 Nah, they're landing lights the pilot forgot to switch them off. 😂

[@jimmywubs7381]

You go Dave! Brilliant!

[@gafrers]

Backpedaling and cherry picking as always. Flerfs never cease to keep trying to bury themselves in their delusions.

[@headintheshedable]

Flatulent making a prize idiot of himself? Surely not.

[@smallduck1001001]

Most globe Earth evidence / flat Earth debunks only fail scrutiny if that scrutiny is shallow and/or disingenuous.

[@pinkkfloydd]

The Earth is a globe. This isn't a debate.