Joe Rogan - Chuck Palahniuk on Censorship in Writing

Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #1158:
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[@immortaljanus]

I like Chuck a lot. He's loyal to the story, no matter how bad and dark it might get. Most people don't have the courage to do that...

[@rodneyadderton1077]

I lack courage to read some of those stories. 😂

[@irguile2108]

It’s a sad thing when you must self censor in a creative field.

[@funkymunky]

The worst...

[@cathrynm]

It's the prison door -- closing.

[@nunisthathigh4825]

More especially when society is still calling it "creative writing."

[@bloop9750]

I want Chuck to come back on the show.

[@BLUEGENE13]

I think he just was btw

[@Neauxluh]

Four minutes in and no interruption from Joe, new world record.

[@mayanbu620]

if the person has something of substance to say i think he will let it happen

[@lourequinlourequin2833]

Joe "wow this is just like comedy let me talk for twenty fucking minutes" Rogan

[@Metaltherebel92]

@@lourequinlourequin2833 what is it with people writing this same, corny shit on all JRE videos? It's not funny man.

[@MasterMalrubius]

Joe seemed a little off this episode. Maybe a hangover or he was really intrigued with the stories.

[@gardensofthegods]

@@MasterMalrubius I think for several reasons he seemed off ... he probably didn't anticipate hearing about a child having to do that with her grandfather ... and then the story gets worse where this child deliberately decides to kill a small bird and she's fully aware of the pain and suffering she's causing ... then it gets worse again ... another twist where we hear the analogy and the whole thing is rather sickening , horrifying . Right ? so you hear Joe going OH WOW ... right ? His mind is blown then it's going to get blown again when he hears Chuck saying that it was magnificent ... ?! So thats 4 things in a row we don't expect when he first starts talkin about a writing workshop . I think hearing the word magnificent was like a lightning bolt hitting Joe because he did not expect to hear that word describing what she had written ... and although many , if not most of us understand what the writer is saying , it still , at first feels like a stab at our sensibilities ... we feel kind of stunned and I think that's why Joe seemed a bit out of sorts ... you might say I'm naive but I do believe most of us still had expected Chuck at first to say " wasn't that horrible ? " ( meaning her experiences as the child , rather than it was MAGNIFICENT it was magnificent , meaning her writing ) . so I take what you saw was that Joe Rogan got thrown off balance and was trying to recover

[@austinanthony4016]

in 1992 1st grade "creative writing" i wrote a story about a boy alone, abandoned by his parents when the zombies came because they were too preoccupied with saving themselves vs. saving their own children......he had to kill his own sister with a kitchen knife while zombies ate her to keep her from feeling the pain....the boy proceeded to somehow find a machinegun off a dead miliary man and fought his own way through a wave of zombies to get back to his parents to get on the plane with them so he wouldnt be left behind even though he didnt realize emotionally they had abandoned him........... i was chastised by my teacher for writing such a vile story not appropriate for school and was instructed to write a story more "appropriate for school" I sat at recess punished to rewrite something else or face a fail for the assignment. I ended up writing a bullshit story about a kid feeling good to get out of school and eat milk and cookies when he got home from school......i only can imagine what chuck went through during his adult writing career. True story.

[@Level_Eleven]

Not surprising. Instead of actually attempting to analyze or explore why a young boy would write such a story, they dismiss it as vile and inappropriate (maybe for that age but still). I was a kid when the Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings movies were releasing (3rd-5th grade) and remember drawing a broken sword for an art class project to symbolize peace as a reference to Isildur’s Shards of Narsil, but was forced to throw it out anyway and make something else. I think they didn’t believe me when I told them that, or they just didn’t care because nO wEaPoNs We need more men in education, boys grow up so misunderstood

[@israelPoplife]

Wow, what a story, Mark. Also, I did not hit her. I did not.

[@terryhughes7349]

Probably one of Joe's top 5 guest/interviews

[@RoxyVancouver]

Great writer. Cool to get a bit inside his twisted mind for a minute. Nice interview.

[@publicenemy4102]

Roxy Vancouver 👌🏻

[@r49y92]

Sickening,how is this good writing ?

[@tommytwo-times9053]

@@r49y92 because it makes you feel. that’s what good writing is. cruel realizations evoke emotion.

[@DigitalLemonade]

Isn’t the first line in the book The Martian: “Well, I’m fucked.” Great book.

[@ryanheckman6563]

It was originally from a serial blog that became super popular

[@WhatDaHeckIsThat]

it's been like 2 years and i'm still kinda fucked about the bird story

[@alejandro62747]

It's kinda funny that these things actually exist. Laught it off. It's just a story

[@pigman4084]

How you feelin now? Lmao

[@WhatDaHeckIsThat]

Honestly still pretty fucked

[@pigman4084]

@@WhatDaHeckIsThat lmaoo I’m happy you got that notification

[@polcastello7369]

This guy would love berserk.

[@geraldmcgee3426]

Literature is all we have anymore. If literature becomes censored, the United States of America is over.

[@joelse7298]

if we can't speak our truth, no matter what, and are forced to have our behaviour and our words manipulated, its all over everywhere

[@sumuqh]

Man this guy is fascinating

[@mitigiant5328]

Fear of reality

[@coreyo3213]

2 birds 1 hold ✊

[@CorbCorbin]

The bird thing would've upset so many women that loved that book.

[@JerseyMiller]

CorbCorbin it's a shame because that would have been a brutally honest liberation for women

[@SoBayK80]

I would have bought the book were it more upsetting. Ironically, Oprah was once deep & darkly revealing . . . So many Favorite Things changed her brand I guess.

[@bunwithgun1587]

I don't think you're giving women enough credit. It reminded me of some of Toni Morrison's work.

[@Baseballnfj]

​@@bunwithgun1587 lol

[@joelse7298]

sorry ffs...... UPSET them... King Lear has eyes gauged out. 'Dear William Shakespeare, please dont upset anyone' Mother of God

[@WakeRunSleep]

5:15 Joe- There's no way to put that into a story about her grandfather and the bird. Chuck-.........Yeah...

[@loreaver3882]

Bruh...

[@raustin91]

Wow that f’d me up

[@PyroNexus22]

I walk around my room often, when I'm writing

[@brettrobertson2538]

this is a great interview

[@michaelfeeney9147]

Wow that was incredibly deep and meaningful

[@michaelm5601]

Chuck is amazing, I want you to have him back often.

[@CaptainSnackbar]

This is so shocking to hear

[@donniedoobie9627]

Rant is his masterpiece.

[@benbelzer8303]

This is why I think theater stage acting is much more liberating when it comes to scripts.

[@SENCE302]

What’s happens in fight club....fucking legendary writer didn’t watch the whole podcast so not completely sure but I’d hope he would of addressed the similarities and inspiration Sam esmail got from him to make the show Mr. robot

[@playbackproductions1]

Joe "I'm afraid to put my buddy Alex jones on who I've known since 1999" Rogan

[@jameswood1935]

im 100% Jones saying his stuff, but Joe knows he can't have him on at the moment because Jones hasnt yet shown remorse for the things he has done wrong. If he were to acknowledge his mistakes on air then I think Joe would have him (probably the most viewed one yet), but right now he has personal differences with him

[@playbackproductions1]

@@jameswood1935 I was just messing around and made that comment before I even watched the clip, then heard that amazing story from his writer friend and feel dumb now

[@SoBayK80]

@@jameswood1935 Jones has acknowledged he was wrong, and has apologized. I just don't think we can judge Joe pulling back, as a father and someone who has known Jones for decades.

[@Metaltherebel92]

People writing this same, corny shit on all videos. It's not funny man, it's tiresome.

[@playbackproductions1]

@@Metaltherebel92 I agree, now go get your shinebox!

[@heartwisdomlove]

the gym is a great place

[@evanmoore8578]

Why not put out a secondary 'Author's' edition after the initial success? Movies do it. I would buy the new cut at retail in a heartbeat.

[@CaptainSnackbar]

10:20 interesting to know

[@SenorGnar]

Give us the raw shit!

[@rpm2friedchickengasoline559]

my 8th grade English teacher read a horror story i wrote (i was a huge horror fan), told me i was cliched & talentless etc made me write another story.......i never forgot that......so i thanked her in my Acknowledgements of my 1st book i published

[@jacobbunea3131]

Think the problem is this man is trying to write things that will be remembered hundreds of years from now, and the writers vouching for censorship are trying to write for only the present day audience

[@shelleycampbell623]

Joe love your guest im a datk scorpio... but dude dark 😂😭😂😭😂😭😭

[@enjoiorange]

Haunted is one of my favorite books. I own a first edition hard cover

[@enjoiorange]

Gregory Frowendown I don’t know why it struck such a cord with me, for some reason as I was reading his words and the way he was describing the scenes it played out like a movie in my head. I just couldn’t put it down

[@enjoiorange]

Gregory Frowendown read survivor, it was really good but I like haunted better. But in the end my favorite book is American Gods by Neil Gaiman , both visually stunning and more cohesive

[@steveschmidt3961]

i love that he goes to the gym and asks random people for writing advice thats pretty awesome.

[@nate9957]

Cruising

[@cheothegeo2742]

I fuckin luv this guy

[@mattreis8988]

You can tell from Joe’s reaction after Chuck mentioned Guts that he never read or heard that story. He just went right on into the next thing. If he had actually heard or read that story, after Chuck mentioned it he would’ve let out a long sigh at least with a groan and say in that typical Joe fashion “oh my God.“

[@Level_Eleven]

Summary in layman’s terms for my convenience: Self-publish, or publish with those that do not promote censorship Also implement walking into your writing routine

[@SoBayK80]

5 minutes in and I'm 😢

[@edenhawthorne6497]

We tried this already

[@tonyalanmarchant7330]

I'm bisexual with only about 1/20 men I find attractive but chuck is up there defo brings out the gay in me

[@christinengo9153]

Disturbing

[@michaelm5601]

What about the word “Queer” ?

[@nate9957]

Bad

[@mssoxinabox]

mind .....reality....no wonder i love chuck so fucking much STARBONES.COM

[@Razear]

This dude looks like Michael Cole, especially with those glasses. Lol

[@ahnistromero9346]

VINTAGE COLE WITH THE COMMENTARY

[@offdawallgangotfwg9432]

if joe bounced on that racist story hecall the police thatlady told him the bird story lol

[@willgold9989]

Fuck...

[@mssoxinabox]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh rosemarywalker.com

[@r49y92]

This guy with the glasses is strange.

[@originalbabygal]

Why

[@r49y92]

​@@originalbabygal 1:55 he later says ''that is the best thing she ever wrote'' THAT IS CREEPY...

[@samuelgarlicl3592]

@@r49y92 you should watch gummo 1997, there something strangely beautiful in dark and disgusting moments and situation. Beauty isnt just flowers or puppies, it has a wide range of emotions and scenes that are deeply meaningful and constructed beatifully

[@gauloise6442]

This story is the literary equivalent of period blood paintings. Modern authors think being edgy about sex equates to great literature. But all it is is shock, there is nothing deeply meaningful or insightful about it. When life gets too soft, really banal things start to infest the arts.

[@jaspki5800]

Pink Puffin if you don’t see what’s powerful about the symmetry of that story and think that it was simply edgy and about sex (which is an interesting word for molsetation) and comparable to period blood paintings your the biggest fool on the internet

[@willnill7946]

I completely agree

[@gauloise6442]

The people who think the metaphor and symbolism in this story is "profound" have probably not read many truly great works of literature and don't understand true intellectualism. Having a hammer pound you on the head with a sex-based *shocking* analogy -- child (girl) + grandfather + sex + incest + little animal + murder all in one! - is not great thinking it is paint by numbers. Oh the corruption of innocence! lol....This is about an 8th grade level of metaphor.

[@jaspki5800]

Pink Puffin hahaha your self bravado and assumption of superiority is laughable and your explanation even more so but go on keep seeing simplifying and degrading all the while painting by the numbers and and bemoaning the banal modern arts what’s funny is in this discussion chuck palahunik talks about how everything is for shock value now a days and what a negative effect that has had on this generation because we feel a need to pull back and censor but you can’t even tell the difference between shock and depth

[@timspencer3185]

shock is a necessity for societal change

[@vackella]

That's fucking disgusting, I would not want to read that book if shit like that is in a book. That is super personal man.

[@atom_gray]

so ... you read books to avoid any deeply personal thoughts or challenging narratives?

[@YoungNino2017]

Very interesting guy... his books aren't very good besides Fight Club and Invisible Monsters... but HE is interesting

[@nate9957]

Choke is good