Joe Rogan - Depression Isn't a Chemical Imbalance?

Joe Rogan and Johann Hari discuss whether depression is due to a chemical imbalance.

[@phil4986]

The guest hit a real nerve. My wife worked 33 years for the government. She worked everyday extremely hard. in truth,she hated her job. And the last five years she worked was a sadistic nightmare because of her completely psychotic supervisor. I only learned this after the stroke and heart attack she had while working . In the years later,she revealed how awful she felt working for this person under those conditions. i feel now,had my wife simply said screw it ,I quit this unfullfilling shxx......she would still be alive today. And I feel awful I never told her to do just that. Don't let your loved one stay on the treadmill of sorrow. Tell them to come home.

[@crystalmesser6902]

Bless you for that Comment. Wishing u well 🙏

[@HZ-wu2oy]

You were there for her and that's all that matters, I don't know you or your wife however I don't think she would want you to put that on yourself. You helped brother, don't downplay your effort.

[@phil4986]

@@HZ-wu2oy Thanks.

[@rhondacole4543]

Very sorry for your loss. Your point is extremely accurate.

[@michellethomas4928]

Oh my goodness how sad😭sorry for your loss.

[@justandy333]

That warm fuzzy feeling you get when you've done something nice for someone else and its appreciated. That's a small dose of happiness right there. It's literally that simple.

[@felipe-dd7vx]

It’s bizarre to me how this just flew over joes head, almost arguing against it

[@jadeflagon9681]

It happens for me whenever I can make someone laugh it just a warm feeling of I made someone’s day a little better

[@banksta3]

Right, but you can't have those expectations going into it. Because if they don't appreciate it, you'll have the adverse effect. Expectations are the harbinger of disappointment.

[@Catlady-mw4en]

@@banksta3 some say happiness is a side-effect of doing what you really want to do, and thus has to be pursued indirectly via things that have intrinsic value to you. Obviously helping others won’t make you happy if you have no intrinsic interest in their well-being. But if you do care about someone, helping them for your own happiness will totally work.

[@imbrakingthrough2152]

And literally that temporary - you’ll be hooked and soon you’ll be broke and alone. And you won’t understand why .

[@zombiedeutsch]

Depression is real. You lose passion and feel no pleasure from anything. Suddenly everything is boring and uninteresting and feel stressed for no reason all day.

[@doofsdoofs]

And then you get better through discipline and meaningful change in your lifestyle

[@bobbyjosson4663]

The traumatic stuff - big/small traumas - can be solved and utterly healed using EMDR, Havening, Faster EFT and Joe Dispenza's Meditations. These are online a 1000 of free videos. The prolonged trauma, the everyday stress associated with it, the negative self-talk, the cortisol stress hormone created by them and caffeine, plus booze, depletes copper, then magnesium and the b vitamins in the brain, especially Niacin -b3. So it is a chemical imbalance -but a nutritional one. It is the loss of those that stops the brain firing as effectively or at all. Deal with the traumas using those techniques, supplement with high doses of the b vitamins, minerals, a paleo high saturate fat diet and vitamin d3 (sunshine hormone) 0 which activate testosterone and get up and go, sprint and jog, pick weights, find a purpose and hobbies, watch the great movies/tv shows, books. Try full flush niacin - b3 and you'll be revived. By the way, b3 heals both depression and it is a depletion of it which causes them. Read the Book 'Niacin: The Real Story' by Abram Hopper (it's on "Anna's Archive"). How wean yourself off meds, see Kelly Brogan, one of Joe's other guests.

[@ConquestadorExplore]

​@@doofsdoofs u wish, most dont get that privelage

[@masquerade3794]

@@doofsdoofs you feel motivated, disciplined as you said and then after a while, it comes back for no reason and its a shitty loop im in rn

[@Bonn1770]

"feel no pleasure from anything" that's anhedonia.

[@Spartan-Of-Truth]

Depression can be brought on by inflammation, overworked nervous system, mineral/vitamin deficiency, bullies, trauma, abuse, environment... I mean... the list is endless.

[@anonymous16472]

it can also be low dopamine levels problem is most antidepressants makes dopamine levels even worse best way to cure severe depression is ketamine and therapy

[@adamowens5507]

@@anonymous16472i’ve had to spend a ton of time in nature secluded alone and eat extremely well and exercise a ton . Only way i don’t seem to wake up literally more focused on death than life. Had to cut out all pills and alcohol and i eat a lot of thc and it makes me sleep like a happy rock and have the imagination i did when i was a kid . i’ve been looking forward to waking up every day for once with no nightmares , after years of planned suicide since junior high. all outside of what’s going on in my materialistic life. i’ve seen a raise in testerone and dopamine from an increase of everything i stated i didn’t think was possible. Antidepressants are a joke you don’t need a reason to do anything you have to find the real reason while doing it. everyone’s at where they should be , i may be a stoner but i have i’m diagnosed epilepsy and high functioning

[@dougbenton8767]

Some of us are dealing with all of it at the same time. It isn’t always just a bad day try years

[@Spartan-Of-Truth]

@@dougbenton8767 Yes sir. Bad times can last days, weeks OR years. I’ve been homeless half of my adult life but I guess I’m good at surviving.

[@Mr.Frunddles]

​@@dougbenton8767you gotta fight that shit.. it not easy but you will make it my friend.

[@johnjohnson3709]

Success is getting what you want, happiness is liking what you’ve got.

[@FerdousHasan-kk8hp]

I like your picture

[@johnjohnson3709]

Ferdous Hasan thanks, me too!!

[@AMMLovesyou]

This is true. Learning the hard truth @ 24yrs. Because of childhood trauma 🤷‍♀️

[@inhabitantwaps3qs803]

great

[@EternaLivesMatter]

I love it!!! Thank you!!

[@BrianMax]

2:48 : "working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need"

[@GhostRider-uk3xv]

We have no great war, we have no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, or depression is our lives

[@keesquichotti9843]

Use soap

[@djschultz61]

Right? This dude is Tyler Durdin + Colonization and Tea.

[@haroldfrets1268]

Trying to impress friends and neighbors. Or match the Mercedes Benz next door... Even the number of kids you have and pets can make life stressful... No one should be allowed to have kids until you can afford them financially

[@LucianLusilver]

Fucking Fight Club all over again

[@JuliusGulius]

I used to have a pretty decent paying job that I was completely miserable at and suffered from depression. One day, actually after listening to a Joe Rogan podcast, I had an epiphany that this was no longer acceptable and so I put in my two weeks notice. I had bills to pay and next to nothing in my savings account, but I just said "to hell with it", I am done with this rat race. I immediately started volunteering at a treatment centre for alcoholics and addicts and eventually was hired on as a support worker. The work has been more fulfilling then I could have ever imagined, and in the past 5 years I have also started a bachelor of music therapy degree, which I have one year remaining on. I have not been depressed since quitting my job 5 years ago

[@oliverortiz7404]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@JasonBrown-dd7dj]

Fair play

[@lerud6157]

So happy for you!!

[@bayscit]

more power to you mate 💯

[@TaraAkinsCLT]

I have been here many times. I keep getting lured in by the $$ but end up spending it on therapists and antidepressants. I am 100% done this time, thank you for the motivation to walk away for good.

[@scarlettrose842]

I have personally been told by doctors here in the u.s. that my depression is a chemical imbalance in my brain and when I communicate to them I don't want to depend on these pills forever they always try to push back and say that I do need to take them for the rest of my life. They have never talked to me about other forms of decreasing my depression (besides mentioning exercise) or really asked me what's causing it. It's always about taking the pills.

[@celestenila8396]

This is why it’s so hard to get mental health help in the US.

[@SharlaMontgomery]

I agree 💯 big pharma sucks. I am sticking with what works for me and that is MMJ. ❤❤❤

[@1summerflower]

They should be talking about nutrition that really affects how people feel

[@markdesousa7574]

I could be wrong, but I strongly feel depression is likely due to a health deficiency.

[@timothyegan9822]

Same...always ready to write a script but never mention excercise, diet, sleep, work, etc.

[@xelu8960]

"Sometimes the best way to solve your own problems, is to help somebody else" - Iroh

[@ynkgzt5235]

Most underrated comment. You made my day dude, thank you. Hope this makes you Happy ;)

[@enlive3333]

Iroh? who's that guy?

[@SparklePrincess]

Merlin q uncle iroh from avatar the last air bender but this quote is from the legend of Korra

[@buddhoya5647]

Bro what i was just thinking that when i read it

[@karmaakabane2165]

This video made me think of tales of ba sing se

[@davidjohnson3141]

If you take a deep look at your own memories you will realize that the happiest memories you have are a combination of: you + someone else enjoying each other (friends, dates, family and even pets)

[@puddin1334]

Never thought about that🙃

[@gabebolton4604]

Exactly. When you look back on life. You don’t remember all the times alone. Your job really.. you remember the people that were in your life to help make it what it is. To help make you. You can easily see now how that could be a bad and good thing.

[@Microtherion]

@@gabebolton4604 That's true. We also notice - usually much later in life - how we actually *got* something from talking to people we didn't feel so close to at the time, and took some surprising knocks from people we looked up to. My maternal grand-dad had quite different views from me on a lot of subjects, but I was always interested in history and ancestry etc. One day - while I was staying with them (him and my nan) for a couple of weeks - he was telling me about the local history, and we had this unusually enthusiastic conversation about it all. Like 'yes, that's right - we take something from what is around us'. It's still my best memory of him. We had something in common, and I'd never quite noticed. You often think back on those times, with people who've passed on by now, and think 'I just didn't see it - they were actually kind of awesome though'...

[@whatdoesthisthingdo]

Some of my happiest memories are of playing Oblivion as a kid. I’ve heard others say the same about video games.

[@danielmcnamara5273]

@@whatdoesthisthingdo Can relate with that too, but i think it could be a happy place for people for comfort, when comparing it to the current situation in life

[@waterraven3087]

the guy is 100% right. everyone experiences bouts of depression throughout their life. people with chronic depression need a 180 change of lifestyle. and if they actually did that and put in the work they would start to feel better with time.

[@violetselene244]

So are we meant to ignore the fact that people with depression have low energy and are tired a lot of the time? So where would they get this energy from to do a 180 lifestyle change on their own? 🤔

[@marcodallolio9746]

​@@violetselene244that's why they need help. And that should be the clinical role of drugs, to give you an initial boost to enact lifestyle changes, do therapy and psychosocial rehabilitation, and then get off them, gradually but definitively. They are not a permanent solution, and in the long run they create more problems than they solve

[@randomnobody9229]

Seems like a pretty sweeping statement with absolutely zero evidence behind it. Don't be deluded enough to conflate your feelings with facts.

[@ElementBirdGaming]

This is fairly shallow, ppl with depression their brain doesn't fire as effectively and their brain doesn't has as much activity compared to a normal person. Their are social conditions which can push ppl live a depressing life; this is because their are both genetic and environmental factors to it. For example my bipolar was triggered due to trauma (saw my brother die) or such as psychotic ppl potentially being activated with hallugiens/cannabis. Fixing lifestyle great increases quality of life and fulfillment. Such on my case ppl with balanced life and good sleep hygiene are less likely to enter episodes; but it doesn't mean they won't comeback (potentially as bad as before). Fixing life/changing is Abt learning proper coping tools to learn how to tread in those murky territories; the reason this work is because ur forcing ur body to act and move which has been shown to decrease length of depressive episodes; additionally gives an external gratification if u pushed ur self to work or be around ppl. They don't necessarily cure it but it keeps it from exploding

[@bobbyjosson4663]

@@ElementBirdGaming There are no genetic factors, that's called eugenics and is fostered in our society to deliberately create victim-hood and learned helplessness. It is childhood up bringing and big/small traumas - they can be solved using EMDR, Havening, Faster EFT and Joe Dispenza's Meditations. The prolonged trauma, the everyday stress associated with it, the negative self-talk, the cortisol stress hormone created by the and caffeine, plus booze, depletes copper, then magnesium and the b vitamins in the brain, especially Niacin -b3. It is the loss of those that stops the brain firing as effectively or at all. Deal with the traumas using those techniques, supplement with high doses of the b vitamins, minerals, a paleo diet, sprint and jog, pick weights, find a purpose and hobbies, watch the great movies/tv shows, books.

[@mrpeterson1481]

Walking a dog until i and the dog are exhausted enough to go home and just eat and sleep is the best anti depression medication i have ever used

[@davidparker7372]

Joe's skepticism may be annoying , but look how much detail it caused his guest to dive into... Still a great interview.

[@JC-cz3be]

Goodness of a point. Buy one get one

[@julieshrout9835]

You can persue anything you wish, but if you have a person drilling holes in your ship You won't reach that destination It's like if America wants Japan's resources They will start a war and drop bombs and take those resources Then cover up the REAL REASON why they started the war So although Japan was running her country and persuing goodness they could not reach it, Because America bombed them and took over their country so they could take their resources So now some of the civilians are dead and the remaining civilians are depressed because of all the death they witnessed and the war that was brought on them. So those people aren't depressed because of chemical imbalance, but because of environmental tyranny. The one with the most waged war and damaged the psyche of the civilians. Just like when the settlers came over and oppressed the natives. They grew into a depression and then turned to chemicals to balance the pain that oppressed them and drove them insane

[@TheScubasteve1989]

I didnt look at it like that initially, very good point!

[@thecountofmontecristo8280]

Respectfully disagree. Joe just kept refusing to accept or understand the point and so he started talking about a situation largely unrelated and not relevant to the very specific experiment that was be explained. This is an excellent example of poor interviewing technique, where you allow your own bias and filters (we all have them) to override or overtly influence the direction of the conversation. Let's be honest, at times Joe is quite aggressive and forthright with his own view or interpretations during a discourse which can be off putting but more generally can end up steering the conversation in his direction rather than allowing the conversation to naturally take its course. I should add I think Joe is very good at what he does, but there's also plenty of room for improvement in his interview style. But going back to my point, Johann actually realised he wasn't getting anywhere and just gave up moving on to another example entirely that related to Joe's point. A clear indication that Joe had steered the conversation to where he wanted it to go. Johann also seemed to lose some of the authority in his voice as though he was backing down somewhat and seemed far more meek and mild post Joe's interjection. Again, Joe is a big personality, has his own strong ideas on things which is fine, but when you are interviewing an expert you really should put that aside and allow them the space they need to really thrive and express themselves in the conversation. There are many occasions when Joe does this really well, I didn't think this was one of them.

[@tonykari5124]

@@julieshrout9835 BINGO & the "Banksters" have been doing that since about 1250 yrs ago. Too bad 90% of us go along with it & are still asleep

[@Toerworth]

I had a co-worker who had quite a stressful position and every time she got yelled at by our boss she would go out and buy a treat for the rest of us, like a cake or chocolate candies. She always had just one piece of it, but she said it made her feeling better seeing us all being happy. Like, she had this urge to do something nice for somebody. I have no idea where it comes from. She was a true professional as well.

[@rosewood8503]

trippy_psyche1

[@rosewood8503]

They're on Instagram .....

[@abayless3816]

She isn't selfish. That's for sure. And any kind of abuse is unprofessional. Same on her boss.

[@Cosmic86x]

Joe would probably argue whether that's really the best way for her to be really happy or whether it might be better to do something good for herself like looking for a job / position where she is more appreciated by her boss. I think this is an understandable argument. But at the same time it could be the case that she is actually really happy with her job and it REALLY gives her real pleasure to help other people and to make them happy. This would also be understandable and a characteristic of an empathic human being.

[@wordedhalo6746]

@@rosewood8503 wow fentanyl laced products my favorite!

[@skipdog9912]

Been in a train ACCIDENT in 08, had a house fire in June 22, lost 3 pets from smoke. Depression has no bottom trust me. Trying hard to dig myself out! The hopeless feeling at times is overwhelming. Without my daughter and some amazing friends, I’d be gone! Hang in there is all I can do sometimes!

[@bobbyjosson4663]

Those big/small traumas - they can be solved using EMDR, Havening, Faster EFT and Joe Dispenza's Meditations. All online and free too. The prolonged trauma, the everyday stress associated with it, the negative self-talk, the cortisol stress hormone created by the and caffeine, plus booze, depletes copper, then magnesium and the b vitamins in the brain, especially Niacin -b3. It is the loss of those that stops the brain firing as effectively or at all. Deal with the traumas using those techniques, supplement with high doses of the b vitamins, minerals, a paleo diet, sprint and jog, pick weights, but especially get full flush niacin - b3.

[@sharingmatters]

Johann Hari is amazing! "Financial anxiety is one of the key factors causing depression".

[@naturallybeautiful9109]

Same

[@kirsteneasdale5707]

A well known saying is “The best way to help yourself, is to help someone else”.

[@markdemell3717]

I have always liked ,,,,,Love thy neighbour as oneself .

[@maximeard112cool]

Be careful who you try to help, a lot of people nowadays are offended by being offered help.

[@edgarochoa3122]

And helping yourself.. theres no use in helping people if you are jeopardizing your future some of the saddest people I've ever met are people who constantly put everyone else before themselves

[@cartooncomet]

Prob not an American saying lol

[@TheCho22]

Before I started law school I mentored teenage refugees who didn't have fathers. I cannot begin to explain how much filling that void for someone else satisfies your soul. I think a big part of it is that it's no longer about you at the point and it makes you want to be better for them. Also, if you want to feel alive, teach them how to drive and hand them your keys and get in the passengers seat! I've been through some shit, but that was by far the most terrifying experience of my life LOL.

[@radiomindchatter7994]

Ive suffered depression my whole life and i like making other people happy..its a bit of a fix i feel

[@DavidWoodMusic]

radio mindchatter I believe in you.

[@radiomindchatter7994]

You gotta rise above! It aint easy tho...

[@MrRemo1313]

@@radiomindchatter7994 Same here, and i got better by totally ignoring toxic and mean people. This is a difficult task because every depressed persons i know have a sweet heart. But you have to do this. Cut all bounds with "bad" people and focus on persons you love, and deserves your love. You will be happy, hang on :)

[@lucas3918]

I'm the exact same way! I've always suffered from depression, as have many of my friends, and I always tell my friends that I don't care about myself, because I know that if I'm able to help ensure they turn out alright, I know I will as well. This concept has always been second nature to me.

[@letsdomath1750]

@@lucas3918 "I know that if I'm able to help ensure they turn out alright, I know I will as well." That's really beautiful, Lucas. Your friends probably have the faintest idea of exactly how much you care about and for them and how much they mean to you.

[@monkiller5877]

As a Brazilian it makes me so mad that Joe was challenging him on the “ If you want to be happy then help other people be happy “ circa 6:30 because it’s true. All you need to do to prove it is to just go to any 3rd world country and analyze how the people interact. You will notice that there’s a massive difference in the sense of solidarity and community , which is a lot different from the self centered and materialistic mentality in the USA. You will also notice that people are a lot more satisfied with their lives , even though some of them are poor and can’t even afford the lifestyle that the average American can.

[@RatPfink66]

Part of being an American is begrudging others happiness (domestically or internationally). Whether we connect it with material possessions or not, we really do believe not everyone deserves it.

[@intrepidationsensation4981]

You totally missed the point Joe was making ........he saying it's not always the same reason , in America sometimes its the strive of success thats put onto ppl...... ppl shut down once they hear the slightest thing that they think might make them upset and miss the whole point...... Don't be mad at rogan because he is stern..thats how Americans are the debat heavily daily......hear em out first before u close down .......re watch the video and find und we standing .....even the guy in the video agreed Joe nailed it ! .......ppl think they understand the USA having never really been here long enough to know it all the time and just believe what ever propaganda........My wife is from Indonesia, lived in Brazil and China for years ! And she will tell you after spending these last few years in America with me that she was completely wrong about America and its culture all her life ..........and that noone in the world has a clue to what's really going on here until your actually here and in the thick of it.

[@cliffp73]

I 100% agree with you! He tries to be some richest guy, and he sounds like a J.A.!!!

[@devinmichaelroberts9954]

I have travelled all over the world and this is absolutely not necessarily true. Not sure what countries you are travelling to. But try that in North Africa.. Try that in Australia or China. Its not that way at all. India as well! Very materialistic, self centered and all about your economic station.

[@devinmichaelroberts9954]

Dude have you even been to the US? In many ways Brazil is way worse.. when it comes to be superficial. It shocked me. You obviously have a reality tv view of what the US is actually like.

[@martinlutherkingjr.5582]

The idea of a “chemical imbalance” is not inherently wrong. Our brains are constantly undergoing chemical reactions and as far as we know that’s what dictates behavior and how people feel. The problem is it’s way more complicated than “you’re low on serotonin”.

[@wilhelmvg9978]

Sorry, this comment section is strictly for people who don’t read and just want to speculate 😉

[@EpiphoneMaster1234]

Yeah I feel like most people never question the cause of the imbalance.

[@randomnobody9229]

Don't expect people to be able to deal with nuance.

[@vegantattoo7292]

Way back when I was homeless and hopeless, the one thing that improved my self-esteem and pulled me out of it was making a difference in someone else's life. I would retrieve the best flowers from the florist's dumpster and walk into a nursing home to visit a random stranger. I absolutely believe it's what saved my life. Jeeeeeez Joe. It's fundamental.

[@vegantattoo7292]

@A_ DissidenT right?! And it seems to be getting worse.

[@chicgal3]

Wow That's Awesome ❤️ I hope you are doing much better & in a safe and happy place Which it sounds like you are 🙏

[@zanem499]

Everyone likes to say homeless people are depressed but it seems like most are actually truly happy and are grateful of what they have even if it’s not much.

[@cualquieradeporahi9445]

Facts

[@TorahObservantUnitarian]

God bless you.

[@jaimemassa4085]

His book “Lost connections” made me change the way I tackled depression, and I will forever be thankful.

[@CITO.M]

I just bought it because of your comment. I’m excited to read the book

[@randomserbianguy5677]

@@CITO.M let me knowif its worth it

[@POMOnkey1]

I second this

[@kirkkoblect5915]

Yea i may have to get it. Never heard of it till this comment

[@JonDoe-wh8ez]

@@CITO.M let us know if it’s worth it please

[@lemallylime1745]

I got off antidepressants 8 months ago after being on some form of SSRI for 14 years. I've never felt better and a lot of my symptoms actually went away.

[@johnq4951]

What sort of garbage doctor prescribes SSRIs for 14 years? Did they even recommend counselling?

[@avapilsen]

​@@johnq4951counseling doesn't help everyone.

[@BR.9x]

@@johnq4951 non of thar shit even works has this guy or girl smoked sum good sativa or done physcodelliccs he wouldn’t not needed allat

[@jeanpaultongeren125]

@@johnq4951 all of them, all psychiarists. its money for them. Maybe they dont know but they do end up hurting some people if it's not there intention.

[@shotgunsam23]

@@jeanpaultongeren125 you realize they don’t get kickbacks right. I bet you’ve just had a shitty experience and are to much of a whiny bitch to find someone who you connect with.

[@karenfox1421]

Good conversation. As someone whose been on anti depressants for 22 yrs, I agree with you. Getting off anti depressants cause really bad withdrawals. I never should've started. My environment and unability to cope was the problem, not my brain.

[@darrenruben2981]

Yup psychiatrists are trying to conflate real diseases with problem in livings

[@educational1651]

Don’t ever go off them cold Turkey, I got a pill and chipped a bit of the edge, I cut a bigger bit off each pill each day. I did it really slow and didn’t suffer withdrawals.

[@darrenruben2981]

Behaviors and feelings aren't diseases

[@bobbyjosson4663]

Do a search for a book called "Niacin: The Real Story" by Hoffer (it's at "Anna'a Archive" for free), it's b3 and quite extraordinary for depression. Niacin, vitamin d3 (sunshine hormone), and high natural paleo fat diet (see Kelly Brogan on dietary changes and weaning yourself off psych drugs, she's been a Joe Rogan guest).

[@gabegallegos5208]

Joe rogan: Doesnt understand how making other people happy will make you happy Also Joe Rogan: is a comedian

[@Ben0_o]

Perhaps he speaks from experience?

[@crispy3605]

He has probably done a bit about this in stand up comedy 😊🤣

[@Teah8cbdude]

Yeah, if anyone's ever felt that they need to "entertain" people, or else they feel awkward. That's pretty much it... You've gotta keep an up beat. Nobody wants to be around someone who's depressed. Usually you can talk to snap them out of it momentarily by entertaining in a way (being nice, funny etc) Or, the depressed person can try to diffuse situations himself which is more difficult but yeah. I've always felt that way, and it is hard

[@Teah8cbdude]

@Miriam Svenson I don't think he enjoys making fun of world issues. I think his money is changing his ego a little bit... He's got a lot of fuckin money now. A lot. Plus he's multi talented and is probably the greatest in his own head at what he does. He's kinda like batman

[@badplayer4348]

You and the 356 people who liked your comment are being super dumb

[@SALTYDEVIL]

Joe felt the guy was evading the question but the guy was indeed answering the question.

[@leighlommen8786]

I think the guy is an idiot

[@Shrekboy567]

Leigh Lommen quite insightful

[@SpongeBath_ShitPants]

It just wasn't what Joe _wanted_ to hear.

[@fukkitful]

When I was 27, my mom wanted me to see a Dr because she thought I was depressed. I replied, "I'm 27, single and living with my parents again, f*ck yeah I'm depressed." Once I thought about how eventually I will inherit this house and I'm also helping my parents with bills. It went away. Depression has a purpose. It's to motivate your to change.

[@jpete3027666]

My daughter is studying mental health in college and one of her professors has done research supporting that the only mental health issues that involve a chemical imbalance and/or are treatable effectively with medication are schizophrenia and bipolar. I have PTSD and I've been on a cocktail of medications to treat it so speaking from experience and from some research I've read most of what we struggle with is due to trauma of some sort. This and I think our baseline of "good" mental health has been raised to unrealistic/unattainable levels over the last 20 years. Now everyone believes they are depressed or have an anxiety problem. Much of our difficulties can be controlled or prevented through better life choices.

[@cjamesfox]

There's definitely a lot more. ADHD is a good one. Addictions, anxiety, OCD. They all get help from medication. They don't cure it. Medication, especially for depression, isn't a fix all, its a stepping stool to move to a better way of thinking, to get people out of their rut. Only combination with psychotherapy, CBT, etc, does it work best. My wife is a psychologist, who cannot prescribe drugs. She would be biased towards not using drugs to treat depression. Yet she believes, through school/experience, that its a combination that works best.

[@Rosspark100]

This isn’t true… ADHD is largely a dopamine deficiency and that’s not debatable when you look through the academic literature. Neuroscience has proven beyond doubt that there are differences in dopamine levels, number of post synaptic dopamine receptors. OCD is also related to serotonin transmission. I hope you just misunderstood what you were told because either you or your daughter is very very wrong.

[@littlesometin]

@@Rosspark100 That's just a really restrictive way of understanding science, or misunderstanding evolution I should say. There is no normal brain that everyone should aspire to. We have evolved to be different to cover a wide range of environmental situations. You call it a "dopamine deficiency," I say sitting in a classroom or an office for 8 hours is a highly unnatural activity that not everyone should be able to do. Just a hundred years ago we didn't ask of everyone to comply on a mass scale like today. We ask of everyone to become bureaucrats like it's some natural human activity like eating and moving. It is not, reading was invented by monks, it a very solitary, introverted activity that not all brains will be able to dive into on the same level. People should be helped to find something they are good at, instead of us aiming to transform them.

[@bobbyjosson4663]

Do a search for a book called "Niacin: The Real Story" by Hoffer (it's at "Anna'a Archive" for free), it's b3 and quite extraordinary for depression. Niacin, vitamin d3 (sunshine hormone), and high natural paleo fat diet (see Kelly Brogan on dietary changes, she's been a Joe Rogan guest). As for the PTSD, it is very simply treatable using EMDR, Havening, FasterEFT, or Joe Dispenza's Meditations. Or a mix of the three. Good luck.

[@carolkingsafer9728]

Joe had someone on who spoke about ADHD and related it to childhood trauma. Relationship related mostly because of issues in the home. He said that it was the bodies/brain coping mechanism to deal with the trauma. My husband's mother died when he was 5 and his grandmother told him that it was his fault because he was a rotten kid.

[@David7pm]

I agree with Mr. Hari. I have discovered this by accident. One day without warning, purchased pizza and wings for my team at work, regardless of the day of the week (doesn't have to be a "pizza Friday"). Everyone on the team was so grateful and happy for the kind gesture, it lifted everyone's spirit including myself. Keep in mind I am not a supervisor or lead of the team, I was just another peon on the team. I wanted to feel that more. So, randomly I would do this 1-2 times a month. People started to pull me to the side and asked why am I doing this, my response "it made me genuinely happy and enjoy the feeling I get from all the happy people around me". So basically, I was making myself happy by doing something random for people. I continue to do this but took it to another level, standing in a grocery line and would pay for the persons' groceries for the person in front of me. Drive-thru's buy the person's order that's behind me, I still got the same high or enjoyment, even when the person wasn't able to thank me as I would just drive off. That's my 2 cents.

[@javier.alvarez764]

I know what you mean did. I also did these with other people. When you give them something they don't expect, there is tremendous happiness, and high they feel, and also on you.

[@prabal4u]

@@kimberlykay130 The solution to this is to do the selfless good deed to only strangers. It has to be a one-off interaction. Then you are truly not expecting anything in return. Never do selfless good deeds to people you know. Because then you are making yourself vulnerable to being taken advantage off. With people you know, you are in a relationship (whatever it may be). Define that relationship clearly in your head and stay within those boundaries. By definition, a relationship is a two way street.

[@ksander_9712]

Double edged sword, since at one poiny it ceases to be the nice gesture and becomes the norm. Once you stop, they’ll be upset and ungrateful.

[@Montezuma0]

@@ksander_9712 You should do good for others not expecting anything in return

[@aHavenForTheLost]

I do the same thing. I love to give and help others. It really makes me feel wonderful. I love to see how people react when you go out of your way to help them. I love giving money to the homeless. I make backpacks(full of essentials) and keep a couple in my car and hand the out to the homeless when I am driving. I love it. I was driving through McDonald's the other day and there was a homeless man holding a sign saying he was a veteran and was in need. I watched as car after car drove right past him. I am low income and I still gave the man $10. I do it because it's only right. If we have we should give. Anyways thanks for listening. God bless!

[@mshp2993]

Joe's reaction just validates the point this guy was trying to make.

[@Ghost3210]

Last time I checked, "being/feeling depressed" was a symptom caused by multiple sicknesses caused by different factors. For example my mother has the kind of depression where she is missing production of certain chemicals in her body and medicine fixed that. My best friend was depressed because of psychological factors, medication didn't help her, but making changes to her lifestyle and talking with psychologists did.

[@mr.dr.prof.patrick7284]

as someone who struggles with depression, i can tell you it’s not as easy as turning off a switch and saying “i’m not sad anymore” but there are things you can do to push it to the back of your mind to where it’s not even something you have time to focus on. make yourself busy, work a lot, make money, clean the house, go to the gym… and one thing i learned? helping those who are less fortunate than you is the best feeling ever. hearing a genuine “thank you” is worth a billion prescription pills

[@baalzagoroth4693]

I don't understand how this helps people with their depression. Constantly dealing with other peoples problems and negative emotion only makes things worse for me. Also the self-critique of 'why do I instinctively give 100% to help others but I can't even take a shower.'

[@exlordinthedude8080]

​@baalzagoroth4693 different strokes, different people. I hope you get better man.

[@bobbyjosson4663]

@@exlordinthedude8080 There are no genetic factors, that's called eugenics and is fostered in our society to deliberately create victim-hood and learned helplessness. It is childhood up bringing and big/small traumas - they can be solved using EMDR, Havening, Faster EFT and Joe Dispenza's Meditations. The prolonged trauma, the everyday stress associated with it, the negative self-talk, the cortisol stress hormone created by the and caffeine, plus booze, depletes copper, then magnesium and the b vitamins in the brain, especially Niacin -b3. It is the loss of those that stops the brain firing as effectively or at all. Deal with the traumas using those techniques, supplement with high doses of the b vitamins, minerals, a paleo diet, sprint and jog, pick weights, find a purpose and hobbies, watch the truly great movies/tv shows, books - not the nihilist juvenile crap that's everywhere.

[@jeremiahparedes5359]

This is the first time i saw Joe Rogan being wrong. A comedian cannot understand how making other people happy makes you happy? (Facepalm).

[@handofjustice1537]

You should look up his discussion with crowder about weed or when he thinks a guy asking some women for a lighter is crazy and that a man wouldn't dare to ask a group of man for a lighter... xD Joe is non the less a great person with a mostly healthy open mind.

[@bottlewaddle6677]

he is wrong quite often

[@adamizghouti4777]

Angel Slovodan it is true

[@renehenriksen1735]

Jeremiah Paredes >>> Ha ha ha that is truly comical isn´t it? Isn´t his job to make people laugh? ;)

[@msb8013]

I come here for the guests.

[@Jackson-qi4rw]

I think it's extremely important to point out that they do not test your chemicals in any way shape or form and they do indeed tell you that you have a chemical imbalance.

[@ShawnRitch]

I made that chemical test argument with a psychiatrist and that person told me that they don't need test because it has been extensively studied. For years I tried a plethora of medications that to some degree did make me feel better but took the me out of me and had unbearable side-effects. Most of which caused me to need to take more medications. I no longer take anti-depressants but am still often depressed; however, I do my best to cope...

[@Jackson-qi4rw]

@@ShawnRitch that's the hitch. You start taking them and cant stop. Some of them send you into psychosis if you stop meaning you need even more meds. I work in mental health but I am a huge advocate of not taking meds unless you absolutely need it such as for schizophrenia. Most depression diagnosis can be fixed without meds

[@graytoby1]

Drug companies can't make money if the doctors prescription is going for a run 3 times a week and some swimming combined with some salads and veggies everyday and drinking water. Wheres the fucking money in that?

[@Brandonohh]

You don’t have to open the hood of a car to know what’s wrong if the oil change light is on

[@beaumartin366]

@@Brandonohh pretty bad analogy

[@scratchoriginalsdh]

One day, I discovered that I was actually a really happy person who “had” depression. Big difference. Just realizing I wasn’t a depressed person, my actual persona, was so freeing for me. Not that it magically left me. But my perspective completely shifted.

[@biggussdickuss6123]

It is a tough climb brother sometimes it is easy to say yep I'm not happy but when in reality you are just dealing with life in a different way and it's life that is the problem not you

[@26Bananas]

Joe's reaction to "happiness coming from making other's happy" is kinda odd to me. I'm American too. But I've always enjoyed making other people happy. Specifically helping people with fixing things/ building things or just general chores. I get a very satisfying feeling when I help other people. It feels like I am adding value to the world and improving the world (on a micro scale) when I do these things. I also come from a family where being a good host is very important (something I've discovered not everyone values lmao). I also feel fulfilled when my friends/family enjoy being at my house, things like having good food and beer and having a nice clean home for others to enjoy. I have noticed some Americans simply do not give a shit about anyone else which I think is definitely an issue in our culture. But again, the fact that Joe literally couldn't rap his head around this concept is a little concerning. I'm not saying he's a bad person but it was just a little odd to me.

[@assaultrust1519]

I think this is the point joe is trying to say that not every american is going to do things for themselves and some of them like you enjoy helping others because there is no one script.

[@EleusisBravo-cu8lb]

I think what he was saying was that it's not that it wouldn't make you happy but that doing it to make yourself happy is wrong. He's saying that doing something for someone else for the specific reason of making yourself happy is not a good thing. I think that I myself share your ideas and I agree that most people really don't give a crap about anyone else. I like helping people but only really the people that I care about and well that might be wrong on some level too

[@rafaabreu5563]

I think he is being confused with "making others happy" with "pleasing the wishes of others"

[@smeckledorffed1120]

impetus disagree. you even contradict yourself in your own comment. You can’t say happiness is a triggered emotion while also saying you can just decide to be happy. If you can trigger happiness within another person, that’s called making them happy.

[@X8X8X6X4X]

@@smeckledorffed1120 you can decide to be happy or sad but I like to use Insane and sane.

[@daisyblossom5176]

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[@anthonymcclelland7376]

Yeah, he is confusing making people happy through presence and positive activity, with being a doormat for people at the cost of your own desires and feelings.

[@jonah-1802]

This guy is a genius. Immediately recognized joe getting frustrated and took the situation down simply by using his tone of voice. Perfect

[@Jon-pw2ik]

The fact that Joe got frustrated about THAT?!? Wow, I'd bet good money now that Joe Rogan is a sociopath after that little Convo. That shit was bizaaaare

[@NickM20985]

Lol. Your myopic view of personal happiness and sorrow are dependent upon others acknowledged needs. If you connect happiness to other people’s emptiness, you’ll fuck yourself. If you connect your happiness to your own needs, you may actually solve your own depression. I have little to no sympathy for those that complain of depression while trying to make me aware of others suffering from it. Everyone knows what it’s like to be depressed; they’ve either moved on finding themselves and acquiescing themselves, or they’ve depended on others while simultaneously blaming others for their sorrow, while soaking up others happiness for themselves, leaving others empty.

[@Jon-pw2ik]

@@NickM20985 hm...nope

[@bumblebower1529]

@@NickM20985 true ever sense I started to focus on myself and myself only I’ve been so happy I’m legit never sad never mentally drained I’m the only thing I care about no one else

[@pedestrian_0]

@@Jon-pw2ik Joe was stubborn when it came to depression back then. But i forgot who it was that changed it for him. But regardless he's more aware of it after experiencing his friends taking their own lives. Who knows, i just think he's a lil more educated on it Edit: it was Ari shaffir that talked to Joe after Anthony Bourdain took his life that changed Joe's views

[@JesseJames-ig7gu]

My theory of depression. I think that depression is one of the body’s natural defense methods. I believe that your body puts out chemicals that make you depressed to bring all of your issues to the spot light. When we are depressed, we’re hyper aware of everything around us that makes us unhappy. Those feelings don’t go away until we tend to the things that make us unhappy go away. It’s our unconscious defense method to force us to tend to what makes us unhappy. Hard to explain, hope I got close.

[@baalzagoroth4693]

That would make sense if depression didn't cause you to be tired, utterly unmotivated and self-hating to the point you think you deserve suffering. And at that stage the self awareness only makes things worse.

[@JesseJames-ig7gu]

@@baalzagoroth4693 I feel like that’s a big part of the basis to my theory.

[@bobbyjosson4663]

Your theory is about depression but the after-effects of it. What you describe is a constant "fight or flight" survival syndrome. It doesn't allow for the richer emotions. This is depression and how to deal with it The traumatic stuff - big/small traumas - can be solved and utterly healed using EMDR, Havening, Faster EFT and Joe Dispenza's Meditations. These are online a 1000 of free videos. The prolonged trauma, the everyday stress associated with it, the negative self-talk, the cortisol stress hormone created by them and caffeine, plus booze, depletes copper, then magnesium and the b vitamins in the brain, especially Niacin -b3. So it is a chemical imbalance -but a nutritional one. It is the loss of those that stops the brain firing as effectively or at all. Deal with the traumas using those techniques, supplement with high doses of the b vitamins, minerals, a paleo high saturate fat diet and vitamin d3 (sunshine hormone) 0 which activate testosterone and get up and go, sprint and jog, pick weights, find a purpose and hobbies, watch the great movies/tv shows, books. Try full flush niacin - b3 and you'll be revived. By the way, b3 heals both depression and it is a depletion of it which causes them. Read the Book 'Niacin: The Real Story' by Abram Hopper (it's on "Anna's Archive").

[@JesseJames-ig7gu]

@@bobbyjosson4663 I’ve been wanting to rewrite the my message to bring better clarity. It doesn’t seem to of come out right by the responses. Thank you for the reply. I’ll spend some time getting back to you when I have some to spare. Thank you for your response.

[@tessymitch]

Psychedelic is the answer to most severe anxiety and depression...The use of magic mushrooms completely helps one get over depression and makes you feel like yourself...I used antidepressants for some years but it only made me feel like a zombie but with immediate use of mushroom 🍄 in few months I feel like I'm living a whole new Life.

[@hazeemakhan5301]

When you've experienced psilocybin, the visions, the feeling that others feel become relatable and real, but when you haven't they could sound weird

[@sherrimandel6983]

​@@bianca8071Yes .. Myco_louiis

[@jefferyscott8148]

I live in Michigan….suffering for awhile now but didnt realize how serious I may have it until recently - probably bc of @self medicating” with alcohol

[@thomasmaxime2340]

​@@sherrimandel6983 please how can I find him?I live in Australia 🌏.. Is he to be looked up on Insta?

[@melissacampbell9915]

I'm glad myco_louiis is mentioned... I've been having severe depression for about 4 yrs plus now but I had to hit him up and got some of his product..they work like magic.

[@doubleentendreofficial3889]

I can attest this. I was depressed for awhile and I couldn't figure out why. I have everything a person could want and still was not content with my life. After some conviction and reflection, I found that I was no longer living in the present. I was so focused on my savings, career and one day a big house. I forgot to be present and treasure the things I already have. My ego was wanting more while my spirit was telling me to be ok and live with what you got. America's consumer identity revolves around never being content and wanting more. Not realizing what you want and have is already in front of you. That loving everyone and making your life goal to benefit society positively instead of grinding for measley material possessions. ♥️

[@SD-unlimited]

Totally agree and to boil it down further, it’s simply a matter of changing your thoughts. Your perspective. The only “activity” takes place between your ears in that amazing, mushy gray thing that controls everything we do.

[@justanamorales9486]

Omg!!!! This an amazing post, thanks for sharing

[@floridaconservatarian9103]

So true! I don’t have much but I have enough to buy food, a small home, and one vacay per year. I’m not set up for my future yet but I’m choosing to live by faith and just know I’m ok for today.

[@haidengeary8277]

You cannot take your personal experience on something, and therefore suggest your experience is the same as that of all. What an idiotic , basic statement.

[@floridaconservatarian9103]

@@haidengeary8277 nowhere in this persons post did he/she suggest that. Maybe you need some reflection of your own. I’m sorry you’re so hurt that you have to be rude to a random stranger on the internet ❤️

[@edmundtakata9685]

"Right, you've got everything you want in the standards of the culture, but the standards of the culture are just wrong." That rings so true.

[@JensGraikowski]

Some really interesting points made here. First, I suffer from depression but none of the medical professionals I went to has ever told me that it is a purely biological issues. They all always considered a combination of genetic, biological, environmental, and psychological factors. These may include a family history of depression, imbalances in brain chemistry, trauma, chronic stress, significant life changes, social influences and certain medical conditions. Second, I'm surprised that Joe finds the concept of "being happy by making others happy" strange. He seems to think that making people happy should be done out of selfless, altruistic motivation. One could argue that there's no such thing. Even when people engage in acts that seem altruistic, such as helping others, there might be subconscious motivations or psychological rewards at play. This could include a sense of fulfillment, validation, or even the release of "feel-good" chemicals in the brain. The concept of "being happy by making others happy" is not exactly new either. Psychological research has shown that humans often derive a sense of satisfaction and well-being from helping others. Additionally, societal expectations and cultural norms may shape our behaviors, leading us to act in ways that align with perceived moral values. Acts that provide personal satisfaction or happiness need not necessarily negate the genuine desire to help others.

[@rohanking12able]

You are exactly what he's talking about. There's no blueprint for happiness that says everyone will be happy helping others.

[@bobbyjosson4663]

"He seems to think that making people happy should be done out of selfless, altruistic motivation. One could argue that there's no such thing. Even when people engage in acts that seem altruistic, such as helping others, there might be subconscious motivations or psychological rewards at play. This could include a sense of fulfillment, validation, or even the release of "feel-good" chemicals in the brain." - Don't agree. We are communal bonding creatures and have mirror neurons to feel another's pain or happiness. The idea that we are completely selfish was an old psychopathic Social Darwinian concept reborn by Reagan and Thatcher in the '80s, the "greed is good" mantra and, "there is no such thing as society, only individual interests" - Thatcher.

[@laeitdown]

I had 3 months of depression due to something I was all in on, spent 6 years deeply involved, and it failed. I was devastated. One day I heard a speaker say this, "Sometimes you can do all the right things, but still get the wrong results" and my depression was over.

[@Tom-ck3io]

It just stops? Like that…? 😭

[@laeitdown]

Yes, mainly due to my depression being caused by something I perceived I had failed at, but I then realized I had done all the right things. (Church related)

[@SuperPancake20]

I'm happy you found something that works for you, but if it can get turned off like a lightswitch was it really depression?

[@brandonparis1051]

This guest made a perfect example of him. He doesn't even realize it.

[@truman5838]

@T-800 Model 101 Infiltrator Unit. You dont know if it was or wasnt.

[@badplayer4348]

No you missed the point. Rogan was saying helping only to make yourself happier is selfish. Which is true.

[@truman5838]

@@badplayer4348 No. Both joe and You missed the point. I'm only happy if everyone else around me is happy. I need My friends and family to be happy. Im an empath. I feel people's sadness and pain. I don't like people being left out. I sometimes have a hard time being happy knowing there's so much suffering in the world. Going through life helping yourself and doing things for yourself and nobody else is selfish. I don't do things for people to get something in return. I have no motive or agenda. I don't do things for people to make me happy. It just happens to make me happy. I was more than happy to help.

[@brandonparis1051]

@@badplayer4348 ahhh that is true. But I would say at least you are actually changing lives. This alone gives your body a natural high which Is exactly what helps you from becoming depressed. Hmmm...its kind of a weird circle I guess.

[@badplayer4348]

@@brandonparis1051 That may be true. But at least you understand what Joe was saying now right? It is a good question and he wasn't dense or whatever like people in the comments are saying. He's being attacked from people who didn't get what he's saying.

[@Traderjoe]

Few things have uplifted me more than being charitable to others.

[@mra2zee]

Exactly 👏

[@stephendavies7355]

I remember years ago someone asked me for change towards a coffee, after I gave him some, he thanked me saying "you're a diamond" and I'll never forget it and how it made me feel

[@seandecroix9587]

traderjoes you living in the U.S ?

[@JoeZUGOOLA]

Good people deserve good things

[@JoseCalderon-qx8mq]

Indeed... Serving others is really fulfilling.

[@zarkos2313]

Psilocybin saved my life. I was addicted to heroin for 15 years and after Psilocybin treatment I will be 3 years clean in September. I have zero cravings. This is something that truly needs to be more broadly used in addiction treatment.

[@JamesTaylor-ff4dp]

Please does anyone know where I can get them? I put so much on my plate and it really affects my stress and anxiety levels, I would love to try shrooms

[@mirabelwatson7863]

Yes, bergwilly11

[@Elizabeth-gu8hx]

Psychedelics saved me from vears of uncontrollable depression, anxiety and illicit pill addiction. imagine carving heavy chains for over a decade and then all of a sudden that burden is gone. Believe it or not in a couple years they'll be all over for treatment of mental health related issues.

[@markaxel9799]

Is he on instagram?

[@patriaciasmith3499]

depression and anxiety is like the worst disease you can get

[@justinerogers8696]

Dear Joe, when I was born I cried every night until I was 4 and finally slept through the night. At 5 years old I knew I was sad all the time and at 7 years old I knew I had very bad depression. My teachers and parents didn't believe in it for years and I never got any therapy until I was in my 20's. It is probably genetic. Many kids have it from very early years, and my home life was excellent, my parents are and have always been very good and well balanced normal people with no drug use. I hope this info helps your studies❤

[@Nayero26]

Joe didn’t let the guy finish. I think he was really on to something.

[@isakmustafa9704]

Then try doing what he was saying and tell us your outcome

[@kingkumatae]

@@isakmustafa9704 I really and genuinely want to know her outcome lol.

[@madeinmississippi662]

Ikr Joe obviously didn't know when to shut up.

[@maryavertinskaya8094]

@@isakmustafa9704 it's no imposition for you to try making others happy this week either and tell us your results *rolls eyes* if we're not presently happy we have little to lose with a brief departure from status quo self-serving joy seeking right? Anyways, her comment was about Rogan interrupting, which he did, a lot, and it was insipid, it was irritating too.

[@urdad9853]

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[@melgibson2395]

I believe Joe was offended because he personally fell into the category of the American pursuing success to be happy. For him to agree with his guest would make him a hypocrite. I'm not attacking his character, just saying why he got so worked up over this guy's theory. To be honest, I agree with his guest though. I don't think American citizens are bad, we're just taught to chase the wrong carrots.

[@fishsticks3101]

This assessment is spot on. It’s a shame because joe usually gets down with very logical concepts like this, but his personal defensiveness got in the way here. Joe is a great guy but he also understands himself really well and deep down still doesn’t love every part of the man he’s become. Although he remains a long way from depressed (rightly highlighting a lack of ability to pay bills as a key trigger for most) there’s still a logical side of him that subconsciously got embarrassed of his own innate desire to earn money and not share it. That trait really is most prevelant in Americans, it’s a by-product of what’s made us such a successful nation. Hearing a logical argument that categorised Russians and Chinese as more community minded and less self absorbed doesn’t have to be negative, it’s just fact, and that was argued well here until the guys had to back off because of Joe’s defensiveness.

[@kylelusk6080]

Joe is the prime example of not needing to pursue success to be happy. Did you even watch the video?

[@jonahcbarnett]

1 - fucking - hundred

[@melgibson2395]

@@fishsticks3101 Thanks for adding to this. I see that he will very "lightly" attack his own character to appear humble, in a similar way a very big celebrity might as a guest in any interview. However, when his real ego intention was exposed he became very defensive. We have that spot somewhere in us, it was just very interesting to see that revealed in someone who spends so much time analyzing others.

[@melgibson2395]

@@kylelusk6080 No, I didn't watch it

[@user-gk1zx6yx3q]

This guy is right when he says that many people are unhappy because of certain circumstances that don't suit them. We can't just say everyone has depression. We should explore human mind further, and discover possible solution's, wich could be unique for everyone, because not everyone has the same criteria when it comes to happiness.

[@kyrrilcrepeele1353]

Jordan peterson describes it in a good way i think. He says there is a difference between depression and a shitty life. Fix the things you are missing that can be fixed, and if you have everything you think you need to be happy, but still aren't, then you can start treating it as depression. Don't quote me on that though.

[@andrewblack7852]

My friend in japan shared that the opportunity to help another was a great treasure. I took that home with me. It’s so true. Helping others is the best life.

[@generalmorose3523]

"Financial anxiety is a massive driver of depression."

[@kasperspardigm]

The more i have in my bank account the more i keep checking whats in the bank. I used to live paycheck to paycheck and thought i was miserable, (which I was) but for some reason having plenty of money in the bank it seems to be stressful Af for some wierd reason almost for than when I was paycheck to paycheck but in a different sense (Not sure if this made any sense I have a hard time putting thoughts into words)

[@hilarysam4992]

Psychonautsonlineshop.com

[@Ancient_Strength]

@@kasperspardigm looks a bit like "hedonic treadmill", but overall more money helps, i was very bad in budgeting, never poor in the real meaning, but some ends of the month i just couldnt buy the food i wanted, just noodles and stuff, because i fucked up my monthly budget, so what i wanna say its mostly a mindset thing, especially living your life like you want and feel happy is a heavily dependent on your mindset

[@markdemell3717]

Yes and the powers that be know that all too well.

[@Nolanoyayo]

@@kasperspardigm I feel you.

[@jackwyatt6747]

Joe "Depression only happens to people who don't use DMT" Rogan

[@robinedwards8796]

I agree with this 100%. Doctors want to play whack-a-mole with my brain chemistry. Meanwhile I have an extensive history of trauma, grew up poor, am poor now, the world is on fire and flooding at the same time, I fear for my kid's future, but maybe it's just a lil serotonin or dopamine issue... Um, no.

[@da3musceteers]

Same. I'm stuck in a similar sitch.

[@bobbyjosson4663]

The traumatic stuff - big/small traumas - can be solved and utterly healed using EMDR, Havening, Faster EFT and Joe Dispenza's Meditations. These are online a 1000 of free videos. The prolonged trauma, the everyday stress associated with it, the negative self-talk, the cortisol stress hormone created by them and caffeine, plus booze, depletes copper, then magnesium and the b vitamins in the brain, especially Niacin -b3. So it is a chemical imbalance -but a nutritional one. It is the loss of those that stops the brain firing as effectively or at all. Deal with the traumas using those techniques, supplement with high doses of the b vitamins, minerals, a paleo diet, sprint and jog, pick weights, find a purpose and hobbies, watch the great movies/tv shows, books. Try full flush niacin - b3 and you'll be revived. By the way, b3 heals both depression and it is a depletion of it which causes them. Read the Book 'Niacin: The Real Story' by Abram Hopper (it's on "Anna's Archive"). Also, cut done the fear porn of the news to once a week.

[@foedeer]

I think most of us, at some point in our lives, will experience depression. The more we talk about it in a loving way, the more we can lift each other up when we do experience it. I wish everyone the best in this life ❤

[@Mrgamezombie1]

None of us will because depression doesn't exist you all were duped 😂 it's a fake bullshit marketing ploy to make the medical industry billions of dollars and you all fell for it, so keep giving them money for something that doesn't exist, the word was never said 100-1000 years ago. Ask your grandparents about depression and they will say what the hell is that? Also the word isn't found in any old religious books including the bible But keep believing in bullshit not my problem 😂

[@da3musceteers]

Sure, but for some people it's chronic and self-sustaining. It's long-term.

[@xMetalhead2000]

My experience with depression is its lack of social interaction and or lack of meaning

[@Chiiyaam]

This is the most I've felt in Joe's podcast like "God.... Joe, just shut up for a minute. Let the man talk"

[@emanuel6233]

Same. Love his podcasts but this was a moment of weakness for him Feels like he subconciously started to defend american culture cuz the guest talked about a deeper issue in the core of the culture

[@tresmith3756]

He also did a Ted talk that’s on KZbin about the subject. If you want to hear him speak more

[@c.a.willie434]

The guy keeps jumping to bullshit though. Has nothing to do with collective vs individual. Culturally the anglosphere does have an intrinsic value to help others. That has been conditioned out not by individualism but by commercialism. Joe is right yo correct the guy.

[@leonmitchell1451]

@@emanuel6233 true he's on the defensive for American culture sure that's how they fix UPPER CLASS problems prescribe tablets and the poor are left to suffer the UPPER CLASS to as they relie on the tablets 🤔🤔👌

[@boboloko]

Johann Hari is brilliant and has a great deal of knowledge. Rogan is a comedian.

[@ricardoalfaro4604]

When I first went to the hospital for my first episode of major depression, the Main psychiatrist told me after I spoke with him in detail about my life, that he said that because I had a childhood trauma. That my brain supressed it, and now as an adult, it's come back to haunt me. And he said that I had major depression, anxiety and PTSD. Does that sound like he said I had a chemical imbalance? Of course not! This was a huge Kaiaer hospital out here in LA

[@bobbyjosson4663]

The childhood stuff - big/small traumas - they can be solved and utterly healed using EMDR, Havening, Faster EFT and Joe Dispenza's Meditations. These are online a 1000 of free videos. The prolonged trauma, the everyday stress associated with it, the negative self-talk, the cortisol stress hormone created by them and caffeine, plus booze, depletes copper, then magnesium and the b vitamins in the brain, especially Niacin -b3. So it is a chemical imbalance -but a nutritional one. It is the loss of those that stops the brain firing as effectively or at all. Deal with the traumas using those techniques, supplement with high doses of the b vitamins, minerals, a paleo diet, sprint and jog, pick weights, find a purpose and hobbies, watch the great movies/tv shows, books. Try full flush niacin - b3 and you'll be revived.

[@cerberuscombatmma]

It doesn’t matter if it’s a chemical imbalance or not. What matters is that it is one of the hardest things to get rid of when you have developed it from a young age. People who have lived perfect lives will never understand. If you think someone is depressed because they are weak, you are dead wrong.

[@KwayDragon]

It’s a complex issue and I think it does matter to one persons experience. No one has lived a “perfect” life. They may have had rich parents that took care of bills, but that doesn’t mean Uncle Jake death doesn’t affect them. I’ve seen a lot of people struggle in a lot of different ways. Some people just are cry babies not trying to get better and using victim language. That does matter, because you’re not your past trauma. You don’t get to accuse people of living “perfect” lives. What is a perfect life? “Chemical imbalance” could totally be an excuse for someone. It’s just that, an excuse. Hundreds of millions struggle everyday and think about ending it or running away or addictions to escape reality. Your thoughts can be scary, but you control them. Maybe not “you” but most people yes. And again, MAYBE not you, don’t make it an excuse if it’s not you

[@cerberuscombatmma]

@@KwayDragon I can tell you don’t know what it’s truly like. Case closed. You’ll never understand. That’s just facts

[@KwayDragon]

@@cerberuscombatmma I’ve been diagnosed but you keep making assumptions like I said, just shows I’m not gonna keep replying to you if you’re gonna be like that so lemme leave you with this. Quit comparing your pain to others. Don’t compare your suffering. Don’t compare at all, it’s the thief of joy and peace. You can say I’m bullshit all you want

[@cerberuscombatmma]

@@KwayDragon lolllll Yes, please cut the convo. I’m not just talking about me. There are many out there who truly don’t use depression as an excuse. But you can think whatever you want. I don’t care.

[@KwayDragon]

@@cerberuscombatmma I know I said I wouldn’t reply but you’re on another topic, you missed my point entirely. Maybe reread it mate

[@adeyemiolubambo3372]

I’m a psych nurse, and I must say that this is by far one of the most sensible conversation around depression that I’ve seen on KZbin space.

[@justicedemocrat9357]

Have you ever banged one of the hot psycho chicks?

[@laceyberns]

@@justicedemocrat9357 you're disgusting

[@littlewigglemonster7691]

@@justicedemocrat9357 Jesus bro

[@deelady53]

I grew up with a mother that was constantly manic depressive. She never got enough attention so would cause problems and arguments or threaten suicide. As a wife and mother of 4 I got tired of her calling me with suicide si finally, out of frustration with a couple of sick kids, I told her to just do it and quit calling me about it. Never happened again. When people announce they are depressed it is just an attention getter

[@owen2002]

@@justicedemocrat9357 sounds like ur one of the pyschos

[@thereGoMapo]

People in America tell you to take "me-time" and to "set boundaries" when you need to de-stress.

[@micahcook2408]

And the irony of it all is that we’re all cutting each other off or ridiculing each other - I even do this shit too tbh.

[@david198089]

Micah Cook Same

[@knightshade2654]

Don't forget "practicing self-care"

[@jerrelCbanks]

@@Gongshow96 its personality based honestly. Some people find peace and tranquility in isolation. Introverts vs extroverts.

[@johnd.2778]

Joe almost seems to have hurt feelings by the idea that helping others can make you happy. That's been my experience 100 percent.

[@EM-nl8zm]

After going through a catastrophic accident which lead to a life change in my health I was depressed. When I explained my situation to different psychiatrist they told me there wasn't any antidepressant that would help. I was dealing with a real situation. I actually went ahead and tried antidepressants and they were right. My serotonin was already high enough and these medications made me feel manic among other side effects. The depression and sadness was real. I went through a loss and sometimes you have to find your way through because this is going to be the rest of your life. This isn't a chemical imbalance.

[@exlesoes]

Yes depending on circumstances, medications may or may not be helpful to the individual. A skilled and empathetic psychiatrist can decide medications of course

[@bobbyjosson4663]

For lose there are EMDR, Havening, Faster EFT and Joe Dispenza's Meditations which cure within weeks major and smaller disasters and PTSD. The prolonged trauma, the everyday stress associated with it, the negative self-talk, the cortisol stress hormone created by the and caffeine, plus booze, depletes copper, then magnesium and the b vitamins in the brain, especially Niacin -b3. It is the loss of those that stops the brain firing as effectively or at all. Deal with the traumas using those techniques, supplement with high doses of the b vitamins, minerals, a paleo diet, sprint and jog, pick weights, find a purpose and hobbies, watch the great movies/tv shows, books. But try niacin, a natural chemical found in food but well worth supplementing with. Full flush version too.

[@admininfo536]

It’s not about self-centered versus sacrificial. The difference between depression and happiness is CONNECTION. If we do something that brings connection, it alleviates depression.

[@SithCelia]

Nail, meet Head!

[@kathrync8632]

Well put!! You just explained myself to me.

[@frenchieval3026]

If a person has not experienced deep depression for a long period of time...then they can not fully fathom how a person is almost like a prisoner that cannot escape this darkness...it is no easy feat.

[@someone-em3xe]

“weed is better” shut the fuck up, weed isn’t a panacea. people like you are idiots, quit acting like you’re some organic chemist because you know about “cAnnAbinOID rEcePtORs MaN”

[@Aseyona]

@@someone-em3xe there are people who got a strong will to maintain the balance between addiction and love and only those people can achieve to enjoy the weed, cigarettes, alcohol etc. However people who are opposite of that have to find the balance so as to avoid the depression.

[@Aseyona]

@@someone-em3xe and if someone wants to find the balance in their life have to find a passion and chase for it. Someone's life should have an aim if he wants to be balanced and happy. Imagine a game without missions or tasks. Even a game without missions and tasks have a purpose and that is to play without purpose. Have a dream have a passion try to achieve them and dont forget to play the side quests because the game isnt just about accomplishing the main tasks.

[@johslyma4307]

@lil davinci Depression is a genetic problem. You cant stop depression only keep it in control through cognitive therapy and medicine. If you feel sad a week or two or have a sad life is not depression. It is a serious illness

[@LocalMcGee]

@@johslyma4307 it has multiple factors not just genetics. It is a treatable mental illness that affects everyone differently. I don’t want anyone reading your comment and disregarding their mental state. I understand it was regarding the weed.

[@MSG2351]

“Sometimes you climb out of bed in the morning and you think, I'm not going to make it, but you laugh inside - remembering all the times you've felt that way.” -buk

[@jarrodhollenbeck4284]

Im hip deep in severe depression these days and its just constantly thinking "maybe if i just step out in front of that truck" and it doesn't seem extreme or upsetting. I sat up drinking last night trying to come up with a way to do it and not leave a mess for ny lady and the kids. Honestly that's all that keeps me around, too many people rely on me

[@bobbyjosson4663]

These are cures.... The traumatic stuff - big/small traumas - can be solved and utterly healed using EMDR, Havening, Faster EFT and Joe Dispenza's Meditations. These are online a 1000 of free videos. The prolonged trauma, the everyday stress associated with it, the negative self-talk, the cortisol stress hormone created by them and caffeine, plus booze, depletes copper, then magnesium and the b vitamins in the brain, especially Niacin -b3. So it is a chemical imbalance -but a nutritional one. It is the loss of those that stops the brain firing as effectively or at all. Deal with the traumas using those techniques, supplement with high doses of the b vitamins, minerals, a paleo diet, sprint and jog, pick weights, find a purpose and hobbies, watch the great movies/tv shows, books. Try full flush niacin - b3 and you'll be revived.

[@shapowlow]

I'm a filipino and i agree with the guy. Because of our basic filipino culture (strong family ties), when we want/need to be happy (say I lost my dog), our first instinct is to go find our family and/or friends, spend time with them and make them happy because seeing them happy makes us happy. And yes, one of the most fulfilling feeling is to actually help others, exactly how Joe said it. It's very common here in the Philippines to suddenly find a relative who you haven't seen for years to show up at your door and suddenly help you as much as they can without asking for anything in return, only to later discover that he/she's been having life issues. It feels weird to articulate this because it's so deeply intrinsic to our culture that articulating this feels cringy and not genuine. I can't speak for the Americans because I never lived there but I'm just reinforcing the guy's claims by sharing knowledge from from an actual person from a country with a very different culture from the US

[@shnibbletron69]

I don’t think it’s cultural I think it’s biological that we gain happiness from others happiness. Humans have alway thrived together and the more we try to do things for ourselves instead of others the more society will fall apart.

[@mari3742]

I totally agree with you! Culture plays an immense roll on how we perceive life and live it. Being raised in Mexico and now living in the US for the majority of my life I have seen the difference between a collective culture and and individualistic one. In my experience I can see how the two different social cultures impact us as humans.

[@denniswrande6004]

Interesting here in Sweden like Family is important but we usually do stuff for ourselfs and we have an culture here that were not that social and we keep too ourselfs and don't bother others and i would say that depression could be cause of that but as an family its good that making other people family happy but in today society their trying too break as with tv:s and computers are everywhere which is making people unsocial but i do believe in making other people happy can make ourself happy.

[@soulescapetarotEnglish]

I come from India and just like other South Asian cultures, we have strong family bonds as well. I am not sure if they solve or create more depression. With 90% of the people being somewhere on the narcissitic spectrum, their own traumas, complexities, etc. make for very intrusive, controlling, demanding and toxic neighbours and relatives. There is a culture of extolling Eastern family values as being so beautiful and life saving, while in my experience a lot of mental abuse is often the underlying reality within all close knit human communities.

[@KeepItSimpleSailor]

Salamat po from Australia

[@njvolz1]

Me: I hate when people constantly interru-- Joe: Have you ever tried DMT?

[@src4409]

I was insanely depressed for 3 months of my late teens. I mean I just wanted to lay on the floor and do nothing. I cried a lot. My libido died. No motivation to do anything. So I started looking at how long this was going on and when I pinpointed that, I looked at what I changed at that time. Sure enough my doctor had put me on a very popular birth control 3 months earlier. I immediately went off of it and felt better within a week. The doctor put me on a low dose hormone birth control and I was ok for awhile, but then I was insanely emotional. Stopped taking it. The only other time I was depressed was in my early and middle teens because my mother was insane and I was so unhappy. Just couldn't wait to get away from her. Turns out getting away from her worked instantly.

[@healthandwellnesshaven]

Good stuff Joe, Depression has so many factors for sure. A lot of it boils down to the fact,people are either deficient or toxic

[@cfwintner1]

Depression is about feeling worthless and powerless. Making others happy makes us feel powerful and worthwhile.

[@melgibson2395]

100%. Love through selflessness is all of our goals to flow towards the highest energy of happiness and connection, not divide.

[@TheeRocker]

Like happiness, depression is a state of mind ;)

[@katalinnemeth6252]

You are absolutely right. Financially comfortable people are depressed. Poor people don't have time to feel sorry for themselves, they are working hard to survive. It is this simple. Get a survey in Poor countries. How many people are taking antidepressants...

[@MomentsDivine]

@@TheeRocker Yep…. You are what you think about.

[@MomentsDivine]

@@katalinnemeth6252 Absolutely right!

[@Alexis-wz3co]

"That's disingenuous" Joe brings an expert into an interview and then talks to him like he needs to be educated 🤦‍♂️

[@nicksaveka5078]

Yeah joe sounds ignorant and narrow minded

[@Johnnyy832]

@@nicksaveka5078 It sometimes happens to the best of us. Sometimes we lack empathy or being able to see a different view, because we have never been there.

[@emanuel6233]

It's like there is this underlying notion that the core of american culture is the best in the world, and anyone attacking that core is wrong. When the guy pointed out a flaw in the very deep core of american culture, it would be normal for anyone heavily invested into it to be very defensive about it

[@acidxreptile5081]

"Experts" should be questioned tho, to be fair

[@victornieves1794]

@@acidxreptile5081 Exactly. Sometime “Experts,” can be wrong.

[@rainspiritflower2385]

Depression is due to a lack of loving and supportive connection, especially over the long term. We need to consciously increase the amount of kindness and understanding we actively show one another.

[@xaviermartinez4429]

Freedom equals happiness. When you are free you're happy.

[@marioeid930]

What changed my depression was changing my thoughts, down to the most miniscule thought. Took every negative view found the positives and quited my mind as much as possible too. Its taken me over 5 years and its still improving but it was infinitely worth it!

[@raheemjr7530]

@Mario Eid how did you quiet your mind?

[@marioeid930]

@@raheemjr7530 just picked something in the background and listened. Also cutting out social media, the over stimulating phone and anything other than reality, trying to limit my artificial stimulation for most of the day.

[@raheemjr7530]

@@marioeid930 thanks. I already got off social media months ago. Could you be more specific about the background sound?

[@marioeid930]

@@raheemjr7530 like if ac is on, listen to the fans, or if you near a road listen to the wind, basically listen

[@meraryparamo8174]

@@raheemjr7530 I think he's referring to practicing mindfulness which is proven to help with depression

[@amyharris2121]

LOL I'm blown away that Joe thinks it's strange that making others happy would bring you personal happiness. My favorite part of Christmas truly is the giving to others and seeing/hearing so many people feel happy. When I volunteer I feel a sense of joy, internal peace, and pride, knowing that I was able to extend goodness in others lives. It's certainly not a cure ALL to depression but it is a great place to start.

[@lizbuck1469]

Just want to note that I live in America and my therapist encouraged the idea that I had a chemical imbalance and pushed medication until I went on it. I think my doctor said the same so the whole chemical imbalance idea is prevalent here too

[@bobbyjosson4663]

These are cures.... The traumatic stuff - big/small traumas - can be solved and utterly healed using EMDR, Havening, Faster EFT and Joe Dispenza's Meditations. These are online a 1000 of free videos. The prolonged trauma, the everyday stress associated with it, the negative self-talk, the cortisol stress hormone created by them and caffeine, plus booze, depletes copper, then magnesium and the b vitamins in the brain, especially Niacin -b3. So it is a chemical imbalance -but a nutritional one. It is the loss of those that stops the brain firing as effectively or at all. Deal with the traumas using those techniques, supplement with high doses of the b vitamins, minerals, a paleo diet, sprint and jog, pick weights, find a purpose and hobbies, watch the great movies/tv shows, books. Try full flush niacin - b3 and you'll be revived. By the way, b3 heals both depression and it is a depletion of it which causes them. Read the Book 'Niacin: The Real Story' by Abram Hopper (it's on "Anna's Archive").

[@amandaswartz6770]

Happiness comes along with showing love to others. Not “making them happy”.

[@dissonanceparadiddle]

There's a pretty good chance that if you do show someone love they will become happier

[@inapickle6274]

My wife had severe depression hit her out of nowhere. Ended up being her thyroid. Took meds and started eating less carbs and it went away. I think depression can come from many different things. I’d look at your diet first.

[@banker1313]

I agree

[@jenmurphy7777]

Overactive and/or interactive thyroid is not caused by diet. I'm glad that your wife is feeling better, but I believe the meds did a lot to help her. As do mine. Unfortunately, changing my diet did jot make my thyroid issues go away. Our bodies are all different. Most people require a change in lifestyle that will ultimately make yourself better no matter what. We could all do with a healthier lifestyle right?

[@jenrich111]

Yes thyroid disease is higher in women and you can be tested the autoimmune disease, Hashimoto's thyroid disease. Have tested TSH, T3 & T4 to see properly how yours is functioning

[@LL-wu5ui]

@@jenmurphy7777 She took the meds for her thyroid and that solved the problem. Not just diet.

[@ash20453]

@@jenmurphy7777 how do you know when he said “took Meds” it wasn’t including levothyroxine or the like as well as a good diet just to add on? To make it better from there. I think you’re getting carried away. We don’t know what he meant unless he responds

[@tektitetv]

00:03 Depression is not solely a chemical imbalance. 01:46 Having everything doesn't guarantee happiness 03:13 Trying to make yourself happier in the US does not actually make you happier 04:56 Making others happy doesn't necessarily make you happy 06:38 Success is equated with alleviation of debt and problems, not necessarily happiness. 08:15 Guaranteed basic income in a Canadian town led to a decrease in depression and anxiety. 09:52 Financial anxiety is a major driver of despair, causing depression and anxiety. 11:42 Improving society and making positive lifestyle changes can reduce the need for chemical antidepressants. Crafted by Merlin AI.

[@liamliam5341]

It is hard to be happy without meaning, purpose, and the means to achieve it.

[@lancekyser14]

Man kinda feeling let down by Joe in this one. Seems like Johann is saying “change the culture, help the depression” and our guy isn’t hearing him 😭😭😭

[@elyornai]

Explaining depression to someone who's never experienced it, is like trying to explain the colour red to someone who's blind.

[@sylaminasakiestewa977]

Yup. And they really think it’s just feeling “sad”.

[@SenatorBunny]

@@sylaminasakiestewa977 eat dark chocolate, im not kidding

[@SenatorBunny]

READ THIS IF YOU'RE DEPRESSED/SOCIALLY AWKWARD/ADDICTED TO POT Personally, I've experienced depression and a voice called Lucy; inside my head (depression lasted 3 years; Lucy 6 months) . She was the manifestation of the concept of satan in my head. So yeah thats quite alot to get depressed about right? I've been diagnosed to have major depression, asperger patterns (ultra mild aspergers in principle), a high IQ and non hyperactive adhd. I beat the major depression with realizing facts, and Id like to share some. The disease is all about brain cycles; loops, thought chains, what you think during the day. You can try and find your personally toxic ones but mostly in depression you overthink stupid and non important things, like intrusive thoughts for example. THEY'RE NORMAL. I CANT EXPRESS THIS ENOUGH!!! Catch yourself thinking these things and give yourself a prize of a thought; "damn I actually noticed!". Another toxic brain cycle is specifically called social anxiety disorder, where you compulsively think about yourself and how you look and what your wearing and so on. A concrete thing to combat that is FOCUS on the other person every time you start to think about YOU. It makes you more charismatic because you notice things about the other person etc. Another tip is, if you are or want to be smart (a hard book), is to read Jordan Peterson's 12 rules for life, and before you click away I'm not arguing for the man, (although I could) i'm arguing that he hit a gold mine of genius in that book regarding psychology, and as a young person learning that will help you IMMENSELY!!! I had got to the point, starting a year ago, that I had basically "figured out" what the fuck was wrong with me so I basically wasn't depressed even though I have naturally low anandamide, and was smoking weed now and then to get the immense boost of energy that anandamide gives. You could say that my engine was at 5600rpm steady and healthy, but I had the brakes on. So, I've shared 2 of my realized facts, now ill tell the effects of anandamide. Anandamide is a chemical, that makes you feel intelligent, more motivated, and makes you appreciate things. It's the chemical that, when you smoke weed you have silly ideas you think are really good. It's also the one that makes you productive while smoking. When my brain chemistry started to fix, eating 50g of 86% dark chocolate for about two days at that point, the brakes were off and I had developed into a really skillful driver during my hardship. (Painting a mental image, not literally.) I suddenly have energy to do things I've wanted to for a long time, and I'm getting back old cool ideas. And when I go ahead and help my friend experiencing some hardship, I get MORE ENERGYYY! So basically my engines 2400rpm at the moment, cruising at 358mph and it's a Porche 911. You can contact me if you want to talk, in discord at Iiro Viinanen #7627

[@erinhappy-go-lucky5040]

SenatorBunny - I have come to a similar conclusion. I haven’t been diagnosed with any of the diagnosis’s that you have. In researching childhood traumas, I have realized how it wires/conditions the brain. My interpretation of “Lucy” is an inner critic that lives in the amygdala, which is where we get our fight or flight response from. “Lucy” tries to keep you in fear, so that you can stay in your comfort zone and remain safe. Am I right? To let go of thoughts of fear, you have to re-wire your brain with a solution to the problem. Just a recommendation, look up attachment styles.

[@SenatorBunny]

@@erinhappy-go-lucky5040 You are EXACTLY correct, shes trying to stop me from achieving greatness

[@ShamuAdism]

Broken Child ,Bad Nurturing ,Bad Circles .All they need is ❤ LOVE

[@NikiLivi5]

I have no idea if it’s a chemical imbalance or just from poor diet and outside issues. What I do know is when I was 28 with 3 little kids ages 6, 3, & 1 my 3 year old decided to become a nightmare. I didn’t have depression. I was stressed, yelling, and losing my mind with her tantrums that lasted hours. My doc put me on an antidepressant and after one week I thought I think I feel a little happier. After 2 weeks my 3 year old spilled an entire gallon of milk in the floor. I’d told her countless times to let me pour it for her. Normally I would have yelled and spanked her. Instead I said, it’s ok sweetie. Mommy will clean it up. Just go play. I instantly was shocked at my own response and thought heck yeah this stuff is great! I’m still on it and at 48 I tried not long ago to wean off of it. I noticed I was snapping at my family for not picking up behind themselves after I’ve told them countless times. I would get so mad I couldn’t stand myself. As soon as I started taking my meds again I was able to tell them without losing my shit. I call it my anti-pissed off pill.

[@Ramshackle6984]

I've struggled with depression for 15+ years. I've been through several doctors and therapists and ALL of them said it is an imbalance and they ALL tried to treat it with medications. I said to every one of them that I don't think it's an imbalance, it's just that the system I'm trapped in brings me down and the sense that there is seemingly nothing I can do about it makes me sink deeper even when I am indeed a "successful" person. This conversation I've just watched hits extremely close to home with me. I strongly believe that in my case the medications only mask the symptoms of living in a system that genuinely doesn't make me happy. Culture is a HUGE factor. Most people I say these things to react in the same way saying "you have everything how can you be depressed!?". Happiness is not only about material things. This is a very hard concept for people to understand, especially in the U.S. I am walking proof of this, the part of my day when I'm genuinely happy is when I pick my daughter up from school and she runs to give me a hug. That moment keeps me going day in and day out.

[@luxxxp6747]

That's USA for you. Money , money, money! You'll be happy only if you have lots of money so you can buy the things that Fake You Happy. If you don't go to college, you might have a crappy job, and not be able to afford a car, then how are you going to be happy if you have to take A Taxi on Saturday or an old minivan instead of the Tesla Suv. To eat that $130 lovely perfectly prepared wagyu steak every Saturday. Because The steak will taste better if you drive to the restaurant in your Mercedes, with your $14k Rolex, and an Iphone taking a picture of the steak and make, sure all your friends see the steaks on IG... Life is good in America!! And then Monday 6pm you are at the doctors office telling them how you just saw your old friends at dinner and they have 3 annoying kids running around the restaurant as if they have never been out in a public place. True happiness is when you Come home and your dog almost shits the floor because he sees your face thru the door. When your baby is crying when they scraped their knee and you pick them up in your arms and hug them and promise them the pain will stop, even tho they think it will never stop again and it will hurt forever! Liberalism is the Disease to which every single mental health issue is in correlation with which is what made social media popular, its what makes people rich, poor, happy, sad, angry. Its not about "society" being right. It's about what makes YOURSELF happy! And because you like same sex partners, dont make me out to be evil because I don't care what you do. Im not here to make you happy!!! America doesn't get it. Many many many many other countries are the same but this is what AMERICAN is all about!!

[@luisnavarro7454]

I empathize with you, and believe you. I have felt and sometimes still feel the same way to this day. I really enjoyed reading your comment and also watching this conversation. Best of luck.

[@whitelightsheddinweedsmokin]

Wait til you realise it's the same for ALL mental illness. It's all spiritual and the fact that society pushes some of the people who could show us great things to the fringes makes complete sense and has been going on for ages.

[@travisdeeze]

"the system I'm trapped in." Search "default mode network" After years of every day being the same day some brains will reduce neural pathways and brain activity. Depression is a conditioned response to this phenomenon. It can be cured. The easiest way to break the default mode network is a large does of psilocybin. The brain is full of 5ht receptors. People with DMN have dormant pathways that can be activated by 5ht. This is why SSRI's help a lot of people. Psilocybin which is a 5ht agonist forces the activation of virtually all pathways because of the abundance of 5ht receptors. A hero dose of mushrooms will break the DMN for at least 6 months maybe longer.

[@katealias8547]

Yes, this society and where we have ended up with what is considering normal.. is depressing. I have decided to aim to live as close to my authentic self as possible which means self sufficiently on a shared plot of land, in a tiny home to get closer to the land and natural life. This urban consumerism is totally depressing

[@user-lx6pk9os2d]

I learnt through experience that depression is your self telling you that something is fundamentally wrong with your life. The only way forward is to figure out what it is and do something to address it. For me it started with something I read - "we create our own problems by wanting things to be different" and it all went from there - eventually causing me to really question whether what I wanted (or thought I wanted) was even rational.

[@viiviizzz]

thats just ur own form of depression. it manifest differently for different people. it sounds as if u already have most things in life. maybe not figured out, but at least u aint near poverty line, or will ever be in your life. that's what i call made-up depression. its totally different from real depression u ever know exist. its not like people try bankcrupting themselves, cut off social ties, commit suicide for real apparent good reason if their life was kinda okay from the start? sure, there might be traumatic experiences and whatnot amongst these people, but its statistically insignificant. its like saying you are depressed cuz you are bored, and u didnt get your new "toy" or whatnot.

[@viiviizzz]

if u were ever poor, and is still is near the line of poverty, then your perspective will totally change. for these people, their world and social dynamics are so different and game changing. its like when ur broke and having met some guru in life that lift you out of the fking zone. so in your case, are you saying poor people dont want things to be different? is it wrong for the poor/ severely sick/ill to want things to be different? is it wrong for those who are born with shit genetics to want to be better/stronger? sure, acceptance is important. you accept that you do not have what everyone in this world might else have, but to what degree? are you gonna rationalize telling yourselves you are rich when you are thinking about how to feed yourself next month? how you are gonna afford your meals, pay the bills and rents? how you are gonna settle BASIC shit that 80% or more of the people dont have to? and worst, if you lived in a first world country whereby most people are enjoying life in some ways; some more than the others, in vacation trips or parties or gatherings or even sports, or whatnot. when you are not and never gonna be a participant or be invited, cuz you were born poor? and even if u try, you dont get the opportunities? is that not depressive then? accept that you gonna lived your entire 100 years of life worrying about inflation and your next meal? never being able to afford anything more? so just accept that shit down your throat?

[@katejones2172]

J. 1 that's just normal that's not clinical depression that's a whole different thing

[@BigStinker_14]

@@viiviizzz You do realise you’re also pushing your own narrative and view of depression. Putting suffering and pain on a scale doesn’t sit right with me. Like you mentioned, everyone’s depression and reasons are different. If I gave you everything you wanted would that make you happy? Do you really believe people wouldn’t become depressed if they just got what they wanted? Your perspective is too financially based and shallow.

[@BigStinker_14]

@@viiviizzz You don’t decide what’s valid and what isn’t. Your idea of “real” and “made-up” depression is foolish.

[@kaydykes9916]

I recently had a neighbor start chatting with me to be friendly. She ended up losing her apartment because she thought the only job she could handle was DoorDash. She told me she had therapy twice a week and that made it difficult for her to have a regular full-time job. She also sent me a selfie from her bathroom, and I’m not exaggerating at all when I say the counter was covered in medication bottles. She opened up to me about all her mental health issues, and while I have sympathy for her. (I myself have mental health issues.) the more I got to know her, the more I got the impression that. She is content to stay where she is. No motivation, no fighting spirit, just sitting in her apartment, letting her dogs piss all over the floor feeling sorry for herself. I don’t mean to be cold, but I can’t be friends with someone like that. I thought really hard to get where I am despite my own mental health issues.

[@rekeembelac1684]

A broken record. I know a few people like this they say things like “why me” “the world is always against me” and love sulking in sadness. We all have that in us they’ll say their depression is different and it’s harder for them blahblah. Makes me wonder if some people are incapable of getting out of that.

[@bobbyjosson4663]

The traumatic stuff - big/small traumas - can be solved and utterly healed using EMDR, Havening, Faster EFT and Joe Dispenza's Meditations. These are online a 1000 of free videos. The prolonged trauma, the everyday stress associated with it, the negative self-talk, the cortisol stress hormone created by them and caffeine, plus booze, depletes copper, then magnesium and the b vitamins in the brain, especially Niacin -b3. So it is a chemical imbalance -but a nutritional one. It is the loss of those that stops the brain firing as effectively or at all. Deal with the traumas using those techniques, supplement with high doses of the b vitamins, minerals, a paleo high saturate fat diet and vitamin d3 (sunshine hormone) 0 which activate testosterone and get up and go, sprint and jog, pick weights, find a purpose and hobbies, watch the great movies/tv shows, books. Try full flush niacin - b3 and you'll be revived. By the way, b3 heals both depression and it is a depletion of it which causes them. Read the Book 'Niacin: The Real Story' by Abram Hopper (it's on "Anna's Archive"). How wean yourself off meds, see Kelly Brogan, one of Joe's other guests.

[@tuckerluke80]

I went to the doctor in the uk with depression and was told it’s a chemical imbalance but told me the cause of it and how the antidepressants will assist me short term to take the actions I need to change my life so I don’t need them. Not all doctors are that good

[@micahvisser3772]

I got passed my depression when I started focusing on other people's happiness, people I don't even know. I'm much happier now that I do more things for others than for myself, but in the process, I'm making myself happy seeing their joy.

[@z34n]

Just saying ‘you alright’ in passing someone on the street makes me feel good lol

[@sexymary]

Same.. I feel good when I help other people

[@anonymousstout4759]

@@sexymary got scammed yesterday when trying to help. Someone approached me and asked for money to buy a buss ticket to the next city which is around 100km. I gave her the money enough for a ticket and foods to her. felt good because I thought I was helping people but then the local who is a shoe repair lady told me that she's a known scammer. She's been doing that stuff all the time around neighborhood. Instantly regretted and I'm so livid. I rather give my money to this hardworking lady who repair shoes for living

[@micahvisser3772]

@@ksc743 I give people (including those I don't know) a chance to talk if they need it, most of that starts by asking how someone's day is going. I asked someone about a week or 2 ago how their day was as I was just walking past them, and they said it was pretty shitty - I asked what was bothering them and we ended up having a very insightful conversation. I am also pretty lucky to be in an ok-ish financial position, so I usually buy one or 2 cans of Pineapple or Peaches and keep them with me when I know I'm going on a longer walk. Giving those things to the less fortunate if I have the opportunity to talk to them and make their day any better (even if it is for only a day) makes me feel amazing. When talking to people, I try my hardest to empathize and support them even if I don't agree with their beliefs/opinions on the matter we're talking about. A woman was walking a kart full of drinks from the LCBO as I was walking with groceries back to my res. Her kart tipped as she was pushing it, and most of the drinks spilled out. I spent 5 minutes helping her collect them, and gave her the chance to rant about how the snow on the curb should have been shovelled. "Yeah, it's really unfortunate that that happened" is all I had to say, and the 5 minutes I could have saved just walking past barely affects my schedule for the rest of the day. For me, I don't even have to think about it anymore. It just happens.

[@micahvisser3772]

@@ksc743 I know it can be difficult to want to help or be generous to others when you don't get it in return, but it is important to recognize all the times that you helped people and they didn't get the opportunity to give you a thankyou (like letting people in on the road). If you stop, that is 1 less person being kind in this world. If everyone was kind and courteous, the world would be a better place - but we can't control what other people do, we only have that power over ourselves. Take joy in knowing every time you helped someone, even if you didn't hear a thank you, you made their day just that much better. Every little bit counts, and will be carried by everyone for the rest of their lives.

[@1.25speedoneverything7]

Yeah man I get it. Im 18 and got a job working construction outta town coming home on weekends. I'm less depressed building playgrounds in 96° heat doing school on weekends. Than doing homeschool and that's it. This job simply got me outside and with people....so weird how I'm more comfortable busting my ass with people than doing nothing by myself.

[@philiposborne982]

You get the added bonus of getting jacked while you work. You need to get a stick for Christmas to keep the baying hoards of women at arms length...

[@YAHOOISNOTG]

whenever i do construction work i feel so good, it's tough but i've always liked moving around instead of desk jobs

[@philiposborne982]

@@tyler_c4282 good combo Tyler. Foremen are respected by both sides of the building trade. Probably the most important person on any site. Study hard and you will make serious $.

[@johnnycash7803]

People underestimate the satisfaction of a good days work. I'm with ya pal I'm a painter for 15yrs an feel so good when people walk by a job I've finished that i busted my ass on an when I take a week off an chill at home if feel depressed all over again.

[@leftfield5914]

Yeah the slave agenda is lies lol

[@ITIsFunnyDamnIT]

So glad to see this being discussed. Too many Dr.'s there days will be quick to tell you you have a chemical imbalance in your brain and write you a script. Everyone acts like a pill is a cure all. I think a lot of depression comes from being around shitty people and parents that were maybe shitty. I got bullied something fierce in school. Going to school was stressful because I knew I was going to get bullied there everyday. Back in the 70s and 80's no one cared about school bullying, it was considered a rite of passage. I was put on anti-depressants at a young age. I didn't have a chemical imbalance in my brain. What I did have were people being shitty to me. Once I got out of school and away from those creeps, I was no longer depressed. Even as an adult. There are many mean nasty adults that can make you depressed or having a narcissist parent. Those kinds of things can make you depressed and it's NOT a chemical imbalance in the brain. In some cases SOME people need antidepressants, but it's NOT as many people as big pharmaceutical companies would have you believe everyone has a chemical imbalance in their brain. that way they can sell you their pills. Big pharma rakes in billions and billions each year. They are motivated by MONEY and the Dr.s who write these scripts and and help sell enough of them get very lovely perks from Big Pharma. I always see big pharma representatives coming into different DR.s offices with boxes of doughnuts and coffee for the whole staff, and that doesn't even begin to scratch of what all else big pharma does for Dr.s. It seriously makes me question what a Dr.s real motivation is when big pharma. Will pay for the Dr.s to go to a seminar and take his whole family stay several night free at a 5 star hotel all their meals paid for at 5 star restaurants, free body massages and other lovely perks. I had watched a piece where Diane Saywer was talking about this very thing once and what a Dr.s real motivation is when being quick to tell someone it's a chemical imbalance in your brain and write you a script/.

[@mcboomsauce7922]

yo i have bipolar2 ive been on every medication under the sun and had almost 2 decades of suicidal depression i was so depressed even thinking about it scares the hell out of me im finally on the right medication and i only have to see my psyche once every 6 months and my life is just exploding with how amazing everything is going just cause these guys say "medicine bad" doesn't mean they know jack shit....my pills....which are essentially the minimum dose they prescribe...has absolutely changed my entire life....its changed my hobbies, its changed my career motivation, its changed my browser history.....i mean everything look....im not trying to downplay this conversation but! my medication and therapy has helped me more than any other factor ive tried eveything else...everything i need my meds and if you are struggling you should give it a try....even though theyre gonna give you the wrong pills the first time and its gonna be fucked up....just be tough and get through it and believe

[@idiot200]

hi may i ask what meds you have been put on. i have had suicidal depression for almost 6 years now and have tried all of the ssris but they do not help me :/ prozac helped me for a while but it gave me sexual side effects so i stopped taking it. i would love to know what helped you

[@SKARTLEAD]

Joe has literally proven this guy's point

[@abustanoby]

Can you explain?

[@dacenmclean7901]

@@abustanoby because joe finds the idea of making other people happy to make yourself happy alien. That’s the point he has about Americans, that their culture is not centred around making others happy.

[@apd907001]

“Don’t pursue your dream, pursue what is likely to happen.” Literally what my parents instilled in me.

[@justsumdude7437]

Then you're compromising your entire life just because your dream isn't that likely. If it's likely to happen is it still worth fighting for if it isn't even your dream?

[@kys9611]

@@justsumdude7437 it depends on what your goal is in the first place. If it’s to be a singer or actor over the likely dream which is being an engineer or doctor than yeah it’s probably not worth fighting for. It would be more of a gamble because you don’t know how successful you could get. I guess it also depends on how much that dream means to you and that you can’t see yourself do anything else.

[@user-tu2dr3ny6x]

@@kys9611 I pursued my "dream" of being a professional drummer, finally gave up on it a year ago or so, but I quite honestly don't regret that pursuit one bit. Obviously as a 27 year old, I'm not nearly as well off as the people who go straight to college to become a doctor, or the people who go straight to a trade school. I still wouldn't trade the good times I've had in the past as a musician for any amount of money though. Being a serious music nerd led to me having artistic experiences that genuinely felt every bit as powerful as intense psychedelic experiences. Except it's much better and more "pure" when you're dead sober and something hit's you on that level mentally. I honestly only abandoned music as a profession because I pretty much hit a wall where I already knew how to do everything I've ever wanted to be able to do as a drummer, which pretty much made it boring and pointless for me to continue playing every single day. Let me clarify though that a big part of why I don't regret any of it is that I REALLY pushed myself intellectually, creatively, and physically to a point where I could have pretty easily made it professionally if I just bothered to move to LA or NY and was willing to play with any bands possible to make it. I'm very picky about who I play with though and will not "sell out" in pursuit of the art form though because my respect for it goes far beyond any personal desire to have a successful career. From my experience, at least, everyone that regrets "chasing their dreams" doesn't pursue them the way that I did, and they instead try to get work in their particular field anywhere possible in the hopes that it'll someday pay off. That leads to a lot of frustration and resentment, and does nothing to help preserve their sense of pride and self respect, so they end up feeling like they just wasted years of their life by the end of it all. Whereas I never really had any resentment because I knew that my tastes, and the bands that I played with, as well as my resistance to moving to LA or NY, were the primary issues holding me back, AND I was perfectly content with it. I was going to make it on my own terms, or I wasn't going to make it at all. Obviously I failed, lol, but that's okay. Don't mind working my full time job in a metal fabrication plant at all, and would quite honestly rather do that in my rural area, than have to live in a big city in order to be a pro musician. Understanding and accepting the risks and consequences of pursuing your dreams is key to whether or not you will be happy with your decision to go down that road, regardless of whether you actually pull it off or not.

[@kys9611]

@@user-tu2dr3ny6x I agree with a lot of that you said and really do feel you on this one. I personally took a year off at the last year of secondary school and saw all of my friends graduate. My mental health was a big factor and I just couldn’t go to school without wanting to jump off a bridge. Of course I would love to say that “i don’t regret it and being happy is better than everything” but also I feel some sort of regret and weak that I couldn’t handle it on my own and that it was ample time to get through while going to school. I’m currently in my last year and gonna apply for medicine as i can’t really honestly see myself doing anything else. I respect that you took time into doing something you actually enjoy and went for mastery over monetary gains. Though I guess that main thing I disagree with you here is that you didn’t actually pursue your dream. Your dream is supposed to be sustainable and independent. What’s the point of doing something when you have to rely on other avenues. I think you could’ve pursued your dream of being a drummer while also doing a sustainable degree and getting a well paying job. That way both of your needs would be met. (Where you don’t like sucking up to people and your independent) (where you can support yourself and be sustainable). Your a huge breath of fresh air in terms of that you actually went out of your way and didn’t care what other people think and did what YOU wanted to do. Unfortunately it didn’t work out as well you intended. (With every problem I personally like to give a solution as that’s what I’m most interested in) I would suggest going to university and studying something that you can be sustainable in, well respected and you have a personal interest in. Look for opportunities and try to gain interests. Do something that you’ve never done before. You’re still very young and you can literally do whatever you want. You just have to be more serious and picky this time and choose something that you will enjoy. Personally I think your goal should be “how do I get out of this metal plant job” and be in a respectful industry. Don’t doubt yourself, it’s never too late and please consider these options because I know a lot of people who have done what they wanted to do but didn’t get successful and now they work for minimum wage as a security guard or a factory worker or in a hotel.

[@user-tu2dr3ny6x]

@@kys9611 I appreciate your advice, but I'm actually very happy at this metal plant. The work is really easy, and they pay a lot more than minimum wage. Great 401k plan too. We also get to wear headphones all day which makes the incredibly easy work actually end up being kinda fun. I went into it thinking it'd be a temporary job while I tried to figure out what to do with my life, then quickly realized that this job is perfect for me. I genuinely have peace of mind for the first time in my life and I definitely don't want to risk giving that up. At some point I'll get back into creating music, but for now I'm enjoying my hiatus and won't get back to it any time soon

[@indieindie7]

For alot of life I was against my "CHEMICAL IMBALANCE" against medication, but after the last two years being on an anti depressant I'm doing the best I've ever done in life, which is scary to think about

[@frankjamesbonarrigo7162]

What ever works, beats the alternative

[@violetselene244]

What are you on? As reluctant as I am to taking them I’m going to try again after many years of being against them.

[@indieindie7]

@@violetselene244 zoloft I take low dose

[@LOUNGELIQ]

And you know it's not a placebo?

[@bobbyjosson4663]

The traumatic stuff - big/small traumas - can be solved and utterly healed using EMDR, Havening, Faster EFT and Joe Dispenza's Meditations. These are online a 1000 of free videos. The prolonged trauma, the everyday stress associated with it, the negative self-talk, the cortisol stress hormone created by them and caffeine, plus booze, depletes copper, then magnesium and the b vitamins in the brain, especially Niacin -b3. So it is a chemical imbalance -but a nutritional one. It is the loss of those that stops the brain firing as effectively or at all. Deal with the traumas using those techniques, supplement with high doses of the b vitamins, minerals, a paleo diet, sprint and jog, pick weights, find a purpose and hobbies, watch the great movies/tv shows, books. Try full flush niacin - b3 and you'll be revived. By the way, b3 heals both depression and it is a depletion of it which causes them. Read the Book 'Niacin: The Real Story' by Abram Hopper (it's on "Anna's Archive").

[@itz_yamz3765]

Yes Joe the guy is right. The happiest you can ever be is when you do something to make someone elses life just a little bit easier, it makes you feel good about yourself. Being happy

[@JustTheConcerts]

The fact that Joe can’t comprehend giving to others from the heart can bring you joy is proving what his guess was saying.

[@gelosyguat1211]

same assumption here. that is why sometimes there are things that I don't agree with joe with he might be a person with high IQ but he's EQ might be lacking. No body is perfect but to be a better person or not being depressed and reach a happy and fulfilling life is not about material and/or materialistic things it comes from your inner human being... being a caring and loving person to yourself and the people around you as simple as making someone smile is precious than making them smile with your shoes or accolades.

[@macon8638]

@@gelosyguat1211 I may be wrong but I got the impression that joe pushed back on the helping others to make yourself happy part because it sounds a bit ingenuine to help other people just for your own gain. Oh and btw I don’t agree with that, this is just what I guessed Joe meant

[@fiete9859]

Joe can comprehend that, you just didnt listen.

[@cl-7832]

@@gelosyguat1211 you think Joe has a high IQ? He sounds foolish, to me, most of the time. I watch his episodes sometimes for the guest opinion.

[@gelosyguat1211]

@@fiete9859 me too, so why not listen as well? First amendment?