Joe Rogan Experience

Stephen C. Meyer, PhD, is a philosopher of science, the director of the Center for Science and Culture at the Discovery Institute, and the author of several books, including "Darwin’s Doubt: The Explosive Origin of Animal Life and the Case for Intelligent Design," and "The Return of the God Hypothesis." Download his free mini-book "Scientific Evidence For A Creator" at www.stephencmeyer.org. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

[@Billb9I3]

Dr Meyer is very respectful, debates well and communicates effectively. He's fun to listen to.

[@yapphenghui8686]

Totally agree. Dr Meyer displays the quality of humility of a great scholar.

[@johnbatson8779]

Came across as totally delusional

[@robyncrandall7025]

He is a natural educator.

[@alexhuckerby4694]

@@johnbatson8779 I mean, you could say that about anyone that has an opinion about this stuff because ultimately there's no clear right answer at the end of the day

[@Impossiblehappen]

Knowing that God exist give me so much joy. Otherwise life will be pointless.

[@KasparOne]

Great episode. A lot of people here are upset with the way Joe is furiously questioning his guest's ideas, but i think the way Joe "grills" his guest makes the overall philosophical value of this conversation only higher!

[@markoveselinovic4683]

He is just asking the questions what atheists would ask... its ok..

[@user-lc1np7mr7u]

If your idea can't stand the hardest questions it's invalid.

[@Jayf1981]

Like so many, Joe is coming around to the fact that we live in a purpose-built realm! Evolution is the necessary conclusion of those who want to rule us and replace God with themselves, and it is an idea that existed way before Darwin wrote the Origin of a Species. People who believe they are created in the image of an all-powerful God do not bow to pretenders.

[@bjknuckles7873]

​@@Jayf1981well said Jay

[@davidadiwego4608]

Seems that Joe makes assumptions about what the guest is trying to say, because Joe is confused about what the guest is actually trying to say.

[@christafurden]

Dude is the epitome of don’t take it personally 👍 smooth job, traversing those pitfalls without getting stuck 🫡

[@kablammy7]

the gospel of Jesus Christ - commands you to take it personally - if you don't then you do so at your own peril - His message is - repent or perish IF stephen is a christian - then he should be portraying that everyone SHOULD take it personally

[@Christus.Invictus]

​@@kablammy7I think you may have misunderstood the complement being given to Stephan here. He is able to defend his position for not only God, but the God of the Bible without losing his temper even when faced with someone being stubborn or misrepresenting the arguments being made. We are told in scripture by Paul to confront our opponents with "gentleness". Meyer was successful in that here. He deserves respect and to be commended for keeping his cool and presenting the evidence for God in a kind and respectful manner. Peter also speaks of showing respect in this way. Well done Meyer 🙏✝️🙏

[@Christus.Invictus]

​@@kablammy7 2 Timothy 2:24-26 ESV [24] And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, [25] correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, [26] and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will. 1 Peter 2:12-17 ESV [12] Keep your conduct among the Gentiles honorable, so that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day of visitation. [13] Be subject for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, [14] or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. [15] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. [16] Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. [17] Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor. 1 Peter 3:14-17 ESV [14] But even if you should suffer for righteousness’ sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled, [15] but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, [16] having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. [17] For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God’s will, than for doing evil.

[@kablammy7]

​@@Christus.Invictus thanks for your input - however - i think it you who do misconstrue - first off - i would not give reference to a poem that ends with the words -> ' I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul. ' UNLESS i had NOT the Spirit of God teaching me that -> that is the worst fallacy that a man can conceive ( think about nimrod - the epitome of pride in the work of one's own hands and mind ) ( aside from nebuchadnezzar ) i think i understood and replied to the complementary comment as it was written - albeit - maybe they did not mean it exactly as they wrote it - and that fact alone would give some credence to your concern of my possible misapprehension . - furthermore - i think you have interwoven your most ideal thoughts of stephen's approach into your conceived misappropriation scenario - - i have no qualms or quibbles concerning stephen's actual information or presentation - my complaint was totally directed at what stephen lacks - and pointedly that is exactly the Spirit of truth - no complaints of the data or conception of that data . - it is indicative of the carnal mind that has no understanding of the spirit - similar to what the teachings of everything in the roman catholic world portrays . - there are two religions in the world 1 - all false - human centered religions - that magnify the creation or the works of creatures ( this includes MANY people who think they are doing good works for God and they may even call themselves christians ) 2 - the one true - God centered religion - that magnifies the work of the Creator - anyone who does not have the Holy Spirit - and do not show the light of the gospel of Jesus Christ to the world is not doing the work of God - they are doing the work of their own hands - aided by their own imaginations because without the Spirit of God - their ONLY understanding is carnal and NOT spiritual to any capacity whatsoever - it is written - the natural mind CANNOT understand anything of the Spirit - since i do not hear the true gospel from those who consistently magnify the creature - i do not have witness in the Spirit that they are one with God in their message - the whole purpose of this world is to glorify God - He will be glorified by exhibiting all of His attributes in everything that happens in this world

[@SaintNektarios]

Steve Meyer has engaged in discussion and debate with many intelligent scientists, philosophers and thinkers. Rogan asked some great questions, but his questions are nothing new to Meyer.

[@kenbarber6592]

Stephen Meyer, a man of grace.

[@benskinner1713]

If you call being dishonest and feeding into the delusions of vulnerable gullible victims of the christian religion "grace" then yeah....

[@Metal-Nine11]

Truly. This man has been my man crush for 7 months since discovering a few things. Namely God. We came to the same conclusions almost the same way. And once past the conclusion and onto acceptance and asking, it's a new world. His demeanor and delivery is one of a kind. There's a calm in him. Grace.

[@flolou8496]

God Bless Joe Rogan for having enough wisdom and sense to know that Dr Stephen Meyer is special enough to have repeatedly as a guest and engage him as long as he does,

[@Metal-Nine11]

Dr. Meyer is a very quiet gift to the world. You either know of him or "who?". He's brilliant. His perspectives and perceptions have opened many minds. Blessed.

[@artoffugue333]

Rogan has wisdom? What a revelation haha.

[@jgage2344]

You do realize that if god were a real concept , he wouldn’t be having this crisis ? He has no proof just his want ….we made the code ,we made the quantify that allows these to be measured ,we also made god ….. If god were a real thing we wouldn’t need to be punished…he wouldn’t even know what punishment is ,everything ever was his plan ! I can guarantee you god had nothing to do with the origin of life !?

[@WideAwakeHuman]

@@jgage2344the difference between ur rambling and Stephen’s dissertation level conversation is stark and isn’t winning you anyone to your way of thinking

[@YabbaDabbaDoo2U2]

​@@jgage2344 you got it all figured don't ya

[@patminecraftmore5406]

Dr. Steve Meyer is a brilliant scientist and philosopher. He still remains such a humble and likeable man. I have so enjoyed his contributions. May God bless you with many years to discover and share more, Dr. Meyers!

[@learnenglishwithblaine9604]

God bless you, too!

[@zasyed114]

Ya bro. I agree with point of view of Dr. Steven but I imagined myself in his place, I would have lost my cool middle of the debate. May God give this man more blessings and guidance.

[@godlychrixal9520]

he didnt say a single scientific thing

[@zasyed114]

@@godlychrixal9520 If multiple organs work in harmony towards one goal. If its not design, I dont know what it is.

[@godlychrixal9520]

@@zasyed114 thats survival and evolution at play :)

[@beverlymcgee2715]

Thank you for having this educated, logical, respectful man of God! As a scientist myself and having come to the same conclusion of the undeniable Creator of all, I respect the bravery to defend that truth. Thanks Joe. Keep questioning. And when you search earnestly as I believe you are doing, you will find God.

[@stevel7518]

If only rogan challenged Terrance Howard & Billy Carson like he pressed this man smh

[@Jessemfguire]

Joe is infuriating in this podcast. Stephen offers actual empirical evidence over and over and Joe just says “well maybe new tech in the future will disprove that”

[@duracellbattery4829]

@@Jessemfguirehe offered virtually no empirical evidence. What herbs are you smoking

[@KasparOne]

A lot of people here are upset with the way Joe is furiously questioning his guest's ideas, but i think the way Joe "grills" his guest, makes the overall philosophical value of this conversation only higher.

[@dealerovski82]

Zion

[@MeanBeanComedy]

Good point! ​@@KasparOne

[@RichLuciano1]

Stephen C. Meyer should come on every time he drops a new title.

[@Metal-Nine11]

I understand Joe's perspective because I once sounded like him on this subject. Sounded like that for 40 years. Wasn't raised with it, wasn't introduced to it, but I now find myself claiming whole hearted to be a Christian in my faith. There's nothing that can be said to change a mind that doesn't want to. And it's not about changing one's mind, really. My mind didn't change, I just found the truth. I'm sure I've got some things wrong. Absolutely. But follow whatever you want to. History, math, biology, physics. It all leads to one place. And when you ask with an open and true heart, a promise is kept. A truth is revealed. And there's no way to deny it. I followed the science like Dr. Meyer. It's just where it lead. Magic isn't real, until the day it is.

[@cloudbloom]

Well said

[@alistaircornacchio5727]

Amen! I love Jesus and gave him my life and asked for forgiveness. He keeps a promise like no human to ever walk the earth.. God's eternal promise. I had a deeply spiritual experience in which the holy spirit led me to a pysch ward to do battle against some evil spirit that a man was channeling. He put me under mind control and seemed to read my entire mind but I just filled it with Jesus and there was nothing the evil could do to me. I witnessed mircales in the week that I spent but there's no doubt in my mind after going through this that occult practices are real. I saw the evil spirit in peoples eyes and I saw things that are like horror movies. But I called on my saviour's name and he delivered me and hopefully the others I prayed for. It sounds so crazy for me to say these things, my past self would think I'm crazy or something. But there's no greater gift than to know my soul is eternally safe in my loving saviour's arms

[@Existentialexplosion]

well said indeed

[@Banguelas]

“I can see how comforting it can be for you to think that way” says Joe trying to discredit someone else with his own way of thinking that is comforting to him because he doesn’t believe God. Ironical

[@TruthWiz]

I've never seen him like this. I think it's a true indication of how much of a threat what Stephen is saying can be to some people. The great refuge of so many atheists is scientific rational materialism. What Stephen Meyer is able to do, is masterfully disassemble and argue against that refuge. The truth of cellular biology, DNA, cosmology, fine tuning, etc. all point to a highly ordered designer/creator. I have compassion for all those who truly thought they could hide from the notion of a designer/creator. Stephen Meyer's ability to argue all these points persuasively and relentlessly is amazing. I admire his calm, patience, and skill.

[@mbatley]

Joe... please don't discount all Stephen said because you can't know something in the future. As C.S. Lewis said, "I spent a long time trying to come to grips with my doubts, when I realized I needed to come to grips with what I know to be true. I've since moved from questions that I cannot answer, to answers that I cannot escape and it has been a great relief."

[@asdisskagen6487]

What a fantastic quote!

[@tom-ethanelam7184]

Amen brother

[@jinkim917]

Well. I give respect to Joe for having Steve on. Steve is an incredible brilliant mind of our day.

[@washyourhands907]

I struggled with my faith a lot, when I was younger. I watched Professor Meyers lectures to show that science does have evidence for the Christianic belief. Thank you for having him on the show and delving deeper into his psyche!

[@Kel-d7v]

Joe, you have too many Christians praying for God to open your eyes and heart.

[@angelamattson4892]

Huh?

[@joshualaws3831]

I had spinal mingizus as a infant & spent 2 years in hospital then was hindered to braces due it was unable to walk & at the age of 4 taken to a church prayed over & walked out that is my account of my own personal Faith in God & spend a daily thanks for being healed

This is probably the most interesting dialogue I have seen in my entire life, and I am sure I will get back to it a lot of times in the future.

[@ZachGoller-pl5xp]

Great episode. Joe is definitely more engaged here than most episodes. Questioning makes the episodes better but for whatever reason it felt like Joe was trying to disagree rather than question. This is coming from someone who isn’t very religious. Felt kinda bad for Meyer a few times but the guy isn’t phased a bit. Pure class. Great episode.

[@TruthRighteousnessSalvation]

Finally, the full episode which should have more views than Katt Williams and Terrence Howard combined.

[@frankreichl679]

give joe enough time and it all comes down to drugs and aliens.

[@asdisskagen6487]

😂😂😂

[@SaintNektarios]

Ain't that the truth!

[@T3po69]

As an agnostic, I find this man presents the most compelling evidence for intelligent design. Add to that fact, he does it without the smug righteousness that many Christians exhibit, which ironically, only turns most atheists or agnostics off in the first place. More flies with Honey than with fire and brimstone.

[@mannetjie3704]

seems he lives by the bible verse 1 Peter 3:15 and 2 Timothy 2:15.

[@smolboyi]

I used to claim agnosticism. The complexity of the cell and bizarre reality of nature (such as the double slit experiment) are examples that led me to reject atheism. I do not believe nothingness or randomness can generate the levels of complex coordination we find in a single cell.

[@Ichthys42]

An important point in the conversation was missed by Dr. Meyer - we perceive things of faith with a faculty of faith, which can only be understood after the experience of it. I was an occultist and Vajrayana Buddhist for 23 years, tripped psychedelics at least 1500 times, but the experience of accepting Christ into my heart opened up a completely new aspect of reality, one that I had only glimpsed during my most profound meditations and my deepest 5 grams in silent darkness trips - a wavelength of reality that is pure love, pure peace, and total connectedness without the frenetic euphoria, toxic nausea, trembling and sweating, etc. It was like Christ entered my heart and I grew a new sense organ. Its hard to describe but its what bridges the gap between reason and faith. None of the arguments for God make any more sense than ontological positions of non linear infinite regress or Mahayana cosmology or whatever else, without the experience of the world of faith as a reference point. Once that experience is had, however, and Almighty God reveals Himself, its impossible to ignore the foundational truth that there is only one God, as three persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Christ Jesus is God and he is waiting for you, anyone reading this, to accept him into their hearts as the true salvation. He does the work of soterial perfection for us, that's the great majesty and mystery of His love. We don't need to try to ascend, reach enlightenment, be totally righteous, etc. We simply must have total faith in him to lead us to the Father and vouch for us, essentially, after we die. In terms of faith and reason, the Apostle Paul put it best: "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good testimony. By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible." Hebrews 11-1

[@rjules1083]

As a Christian I can agree that they’re plenty of smug Christians-especially on KZbin, but I’ve also noticed that there is no shortage of smug atheists also.

[@RadiantbyNovaLee]

I recommend listening to Dr. John Lennox.

[@stevrgrs]

1:37:00 Joe raises a good point but I would counter by saying most people would acknowledge that going to the gym and eating right are 100% better for them and would lead to a healthier more fulfilling life. HOWEVER, MANY people still don’t do it. They don’t just suddenly love going to the gym and feel drawn to it. God is different. Your switch can get instantly flipped and it doesn’t make ANY sense. ESPECIALLY, when having it flipped actually causes everything you felt was important and worked for to now appear worthless. It’s counter intuitive. Unless it’s happened to you just can’t understand it. I used to snicker at “born again” Christians. Even as a self professed Christian myself. THEN God flipped my switch :) Now I’m crazy just like them 😂

[@clifdunbar7405]

@@stevrgrs I'm glad you submitted your will to the Highest

[@duracellbattery4829]

It’s called maturing. Not god my friend. But whatever makes you happy I guess. Blissful ignorance.

[@Gruwg2024]

That same switch can work the other way too. One day you may suddenly start realizing god isn’t real.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

​@@Gruwg2024 Less likely.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

​@@duracellbattery4829So he started believing in God because he "matured," not because God is real? Then why would believing in God be a sign of "maturity," then?

[@DebraCarey-h5t]

One cannot explain the spiritual to someone who has made up their mind there is no such thing and has never experienced it.

[@AdriKatlynn]

Same as someone unconscious to spirituality... would nvr question how three of there colleges recently all passed in tragic accidents😮

[@sliipknoot]

Exactly. It's pointless.. someone who is committed spiritually have already gone through the denial phase of trying to rationalize their experiences. But when they accumulate over years, it gets harder to convince yourself that it's all coincidental, so you have to make a decision: surrender or keep denying. I myself surrendered to god.

[@robyncrandall7025]

Everyone is on their own spiritual journey is the only thing I have found to be true.

[@hamza5106]

Someone once told me you can only primarily communicate spiritual truths by your state of being. Explanation through words is only secondary to that. I think thats true

[@HunterStiles651]

@@hamza5106 That is true. And I speak from experience. My father's bloodline is a psychic pathogen that induces Satori. Spend enough time around a Stiles and you'll either ascend or go insane.

[@piratessalyx7871]

I just love Stephen, love all his talks. Just like Dr. James Tour…love scientists that love God too…

[@jessec4443]

Stephen is a book writer and James tour does screaming youtube videos. They are complete jokes in the scientific community.

[@dealerovski82]

Jokes on the sc com, what have we learned these past podcasts with weinstin and covid?

[@jessec4443]

@@dealerovski82 What are you talking about? Once again, zero people in the scientific community take weinstein seriously. He hasn’t contributed anything to modern day science. Do you listen to any scientists who actually make contributions to science? Arm chair contrarians are seriously all you have? Weinstein speaks against the scientific community because they don’t accept his absolute gibberish papers. Please provide me with someone who actually contributes to science. Not just angry authors.

[@piratessalyx7871]

@@jessec4443 well that is your opinion, but Stephen has credits behind him and Jim has boatload of patents in microbiology…..so what the sci com might think is jealousy and nastiness.

[@jessec4443]

@@piratessalyx7871 Stephen has a few degrees in the philosophy of science. He had published ONE paper, and it was explaining his dislike for evolution. That is literally his only contribution to academia, and it was a philosophical critique. He’s not even a scientist. You realise owning patents has absolutely nothing to do with contributions to science. Anyone can own a patent. It doesn’t even have to be work or do anything. I agree with the rest of the scientific community, when I say ‘James Tour is a complete and utter joke’. Once they both start making progress in the field of science I will gladly consider their ideas. I think you should carefully consider which professionals you should be focusing on. If these two are the highest authorities in your eyes, then you need to reevaluate your approach to understanding science.

[@Kirby12352]

This was kind of difficult to listen to. Joe grilled this guy so insanely hard on literally every point.

[@steventhompson399]

I wish rogan would have questioned those two nutty guys he had on I think it was Terrence Howard and Billy carson, they were just spouting what sounded like bizarre off the wall pseudoscience rubbish but rogan didn't seem to question them very much for some reason

[@Kirby12352]

@@steventhompson399 The idea of a God that people will have to face on judgement day makes people uncomfortable, and so they respond by pushing back disproportionately hard, the way Joe did here.

[@davidadiwego4608]

Many points which the guest didn't even raise. Rogan isn't following along, is arguing against what he assumes the guest is talking about.

[@johnbatson8779]

@@davidadiwego4608god and I will have a good joke about fools like Meyer

[@SaintNektarios]

@@johnbatson8779 Meyer is a Fool? He has earned a PHD in philosophy and philosophy of science at Cambridge. He also debated and had discussions with brilliant minds from all over the science and philosophy world. If you think Meyer is a fool, then who do you think is intelligent?

[@JC-qd3ss]

Joe was insufferable on this. Stephen cites like 50 experts and Joe is like "sO YOu bElieVe iT beCaUse oTheR pEoPle sAiD sO?!"

[@shnarfy]

Even as a kid I thought evolution was a simplistic way to explain something so complex. Randomness creating everything around us is laughable.

[@nash06]

Grand orderly design. It’s not ‘random’, it happens slowly over time, the ones that survive and procreate’s traits are passed on while the weak ones die off, survival of the fittest - evolution. Unless you have a better explanation then a ‘god’ which there is absolutely no proof of, you can’t call the theory of evolution laughable.

[@1968cedar]

Evolution is not random. So maybe you don't understand the complexity of evolution.

[@killerbee6484]

​@@1968cedarmutations are said to be random and natural selection don't have any plane or design it's just randomness (According to Darwinist)

[@RadiantbyNovaLee]

I would absolutely love to see Dr. John Lennox on the Joe Rogan Podcast!!!🙏

[@IrinaTrustsGod]

I am sooo happy that God has his witnesses everywhere! Dear Christians, be pure, be just, be diligent!

[@kenziemacdonald181]

If Joe is going to "grill" anyone for 3 hours, it needs to be this man. Stephen Meyer is someone who has such a refined thought process that even hearing his explanations of things he doesn't know, provides great clarity. He does not allow pride to control his philosophical arguments or reaction to truth seeking questions. Glad to see truth being sought on such a big platform.

[@mateuszkrzan5725]

BASED Meyer

[@bbartlow0307]

At least he can spell

[@KasparOne]

Rogan is super BASED. You BASED as well. Me too. What's your point?🤷

[@callofsuccess7960]

BASED 🗿

[@maxdoubled4800]

Say you're from the dumbest generation without saying you're from the dumbest generation...

[@michaelscotch69]

@@maxdoubled4800So based

[@michaelscotch69]

Joe casually, debating philosphy in great manners, with one of the greatest thinker of all time, thanks

[@ProductofNZ]

I watched this episode when it came out. I remember thinking that Joe asked some touch questions which is great. Its unfortunate that he doesn't do the same with other folks like Graham Hancock and co. I remember when Hancock suggested the large stones that made up the Pyramids were levitated there by audio waves from people chanting...zero pushback from Joe.

[@steventhompson399]

Lol yeah I don't get it. Sometimes rogan asks good or tough questions, but sometimes he doesn't really push back at all even when it seems obvious someone is full of crap like Graham Hancock or Terrence Howard or Billy carson

[@user-lc1np7mr7u]

First off I think Hancock has some good info but goes too far with assuming magical stuff! But you couldn't grill those guys , their not real scientists. We all know that, their entertainment, real science needs to be challenged.

[@ProductofNZ]

@@user-lc1np7mr7u the problem is that some people do see it as truth. Joe has repeated his talking points many times.

[@user-lc1np7mr7u]

@ProductofNZ I think joe takes this more serious, there's more meat on the bone.

[@MeMyselfAndKgore]

This has one of the lowest recent view counts while being one of the best episodes recently

[@joab757]

I’m so happy he has him in here. Please don’t compare him to Terrence or Billy. This man knows actual science. Whether you agree with him or not is fine but he’s not a kook

[@LCculater]

Very smart man ! Why can’t we get politicians like him ? Can you imagine ?

[@larrywilliams5490]

That was deep.Well done Joe and Stephen.👏

[@OffGridDogs]

Seems like Joe is the one desperately wanting God not to exist. Also very arrogant toward his guest

[@DancingSk3L3tons]

This is the ONLY interview I've seen Joe be just flat out disrespectful and combative. It's like it took everything in him not to even want to see it from his guests point of view. Almost like he was afraid it MIGHT have him questioning his own BS.

[@juandirection8820]

He only gets like this when people talk about religion or dislike weed

[@benskinner1713]

To be fair to Joe its VERY VERY difficult to remain cool when talking to these idiots.... The way they peddle such total bullshit as facts, its insulting to the person on the receiving end, so Joe actually did well keeping his cool if you ask me.

[@jayjaychadoy9226]

I thought Joe was hungover, at first… …then Joe became more and more guarded, even to the point of thinking narrowly. I was surprised. He proposed a huge multi universe, but didn’t ask Meyer how he touches God. It’s ok Meyer probably meditates and prays, a good enough action. In the end Joe intensely pushed his psychedelic ego. My Mom had a psychedelic drip and electric shocks, in Alberta, Canada, so contributed to the experimental trials 😱. Meyer’s response as to what the goal is saying I t’s the designer’s goal, and that is to restore his relationship between the Creator (God himself) and us (the creation, including animals). Charismatics have an honest pursuit, and become ecstatic without psychedelics. Part of the problem here is: I’m not Catholic, nor is Stephen Meyer. I don’t believe that taking the bread (host), and grape juice (sometimes wine) is actually the flesh & blood of Jesus, proclaimed by priests. I’m pretty sure Joe, as a child, took the blood and flesh in his child’s mind. To me that is a demonic act, forced upon him.

[@joewaldner6986]

@@benskinner1713 *_The way they peddle such total bullshit as facts_* Like? Give an example please.

[@nickmitchell5568]

​@benskinner1713 number one: did you listen to his argument? Number 2: does Joe blow a fuse when people talk about their trippy experiences on DMT? If someone takes psychedelics and says "bro, the machine elves told me we're interconnected and we should love each other", Joe is all ears and does NOT push back the way he did here. He should at least be consistent.

[@mattjanzen86]

A great exchange of the complexities involved in life. Spiritual is alien to a materialistic attached, egotistical, self-righteous perspective. Unpacking the complexities of that is an infinite debate, which in and of itself, the nature of that complexity is beautiful!

[@RRSDollar]

I totally understand Dr Stephen, I became Christian in 2005 by my own choice and around there I was experiencing this "powerful force", extremely powerful love that would cause me to rethink my actions, or bring this sense of conviction. And as "a good person" as I thought I was, like most people, I was selfish still before "encouter" this power... When you study the bible you know that is the Holy Spirit, a supernatural power that Rogan doesn't get it, he has been trying to rationalize the power... It's quite simple, I bet Rogan can be generous, even towards strangers, however, he is still selfish in nature. Would he put others ahead of his own interests? Would he have actions to save a stranger's life? That's the kind of selfisness Dr Stephen is talking about, and this powerful love is unexplainable! A burning fire in your chest, genuine peace. When you feel this power, you will want to forgive and even hug anyone who has "tormented" you for years, your own "enemies". And that doesn't come from you, it comes from the power.

[@asdisskagen6487]

Beautifully stated!

[@kevinbrown4300]

🙄

[@stephanierich8004]

I wonder if joe realizes that he doesn't press non biblical or secular views using the bible like he presses biblical views using secular thought. He should.

[@rarebirdjones]

Why would he. The bible is just one of many books and is no ultimate arbiter. Why wouldn’t he use ancient Mayan teachings or texts, they are written by people too? Your statement makes no sense.

[@stephanierich8004]

@rarebirdjones I think he should bc the bible is the topic in several of the answers. Just use a more balanced approach. I don't think there is anything wrong with him using other writings or secular ideas just don't leave the bible out of that process. It's there too.

[@matt200matt]

Rogan says "I want to hear what your viewpoint is on this...." and then when Stephen Meyer this is what I believe" Rogan tries to convert him to his point of view."

[@5p1tf1r31]

@@matt200matt Whatever excuses or reasons Rogan gives he’ll never escape the truth substantiated by fulfilled prophesies.

[@asdisskagen6487]

I don't think Joe was trying to convert Dr. Meyer to his point of view as much as it was that Joe was desperately insistent that Dr. Meyer's POV couldn't *possibly * be correct because that would require Joe to re-examine his entire world view, and that would threaten the very core of who he is; if psychology has taught us one thing, it's that humans will go to extraordinary lengths to avoid examining our core beliefs once they are set.

[@curtiszzzchicago]

Just, one of my favorite guests. Let's get it on.

[@TyrellWellickEcorp]

Meyer is darwinists worst nightmare

[@nunskybuilds5704]

He can easily be disproven​@@TyrellWellickEcorp

[@curtiszzzchicago]

@@nunskybuilds5704 Your argument has no purpose in our conversation. Everybody can whatever and whatever the whatever. Thanks #Showyourmath2024

[@curtiszzzchicago]

And then one day, absolutely nothing came from absolutely nowhere and became a quantity that we understand is everything. Whatever everything is. Lol...

[@TyrellWellickEcorp]

@@nunskybuilds5704 No he can’t be lol. I’ve seen him debate high stature scientists who never successfully refuted any of his arguments

[@Kurtio_]

Meyer makes some great arguments

[@MeMyselfAndKgore]

A missed opportunity is when Joe asked if the found artifacts related to the biblical stories is that the Rosetta stone retells a biblical story from the Egyptian perspective

[@ElTheDude]

I’ve never heard red shift explained so effectively and concisely without ever mentioning the term

[@davidmcaliley3495]

Huge fan of Dr. Meyer. Great job!

[@danielfranco397]

This is an ID historian of science, but Joe keeps going personal. He doesn't ask why, where, who, how of ID science. Instead he goes to personal theology and philosophy. Joe needs to run this back 100%

[@artoffugue333]

This interview confirms what I've suspected of the famous illustrated fool. Not that I tune in regularly.

[@christopherself1894]

Joe should more listening! Great episode!

[@smolboyi]

Love is patient. Wow this man is full of love haha

[@EstudioHelios]

Excellent conversation and very difficult questions by Joe. I appreciate the candor and grace of Dr. Meyer.

[@duracellbattery4829]

Thank ‘god’ Joe Rogan actually showed up for this one 💪🏽

[@jamesrice4839]

This has been the greatest podcast I’ve ever experienced. These two are my intellectual hero’s

[@johnqublix3688]

Heroes

[@JCMcGee]

God help us all!!!

[@josephbrown9685]

Stephen I can understand but Joe is not an intellectual giant.

[@artoffugue333]

You must be seeing double. There is only one Dr. Stephen Meyer and he's not a twin as far as I know.

[@Vae07]

Need to get Berlinski on the podcast. Now there’s an articulate man.

[@Fishburne-_-]

Stephen owned that fool!

[@jessec4443]

Stephen is a literal joke in the scientific and philosophical community. Absolutely zero scientists take him seriously. He is a book writer with some incorrect ideas, and that’s it.

[@MrXatcloud]

​@@jessec4443 Prove it.

[@jessec4443]

@@MrXatcloud The burden of proof is on you to show that he has contributed anything to the scientific field.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

No, they just had a nice discussion! ☺️👍🏻

[@419]

@@jessec4443 Wrong. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim! You claimed he hadn't contributed anything serious and that his ideas are incorrect. So prove it!

[@indivisible885]

It's actually Not hard to keep up with him, if you have the capacity to, and your mind is open to new information and Not stuck on previous "knowledge" What he's saying makes perfect sense. If you're building something complex, you can't change a minor detail on a fundamental level, and not expect a completely different outcome. And if you change something in a big way, whatever it is you're building, will not come to fruition

[@cosy1914]

who is the “you” that is changing things here? I guess it’s someone intelligent. I find it funny that in all the Abiogensis type research, there is always a very big YOU moving the process along. It also fascinates me that some scientists really do believe in blind Abiogenesis when, given a cell in a test tube, with all of the parts, then pierced with a membrane, that the YOU’s have no idea how to put it back together again so that it lives.

[@gt27312]

I don't understand the willingness to excuse bad behavior on circumstances, stress, background, and other variables like determinism while excluding good behavior on the very same reasoning. So much emphasis is put on the why someone chooses to do something evil in order to explain it away without giving the same emphasis on those who choose to do 'right' under those very same circumstances.

[@duracellbattery4829]

This would go over so many people’s head. Especially the people who support Meyer. I hope you take satisfaction of me appreciating this comment. Took the words right out of my brain

[@Gruwg2024]

it’s more explaining why someone might do something rather than excusing them doing it

[@borgwardd24]

Well I think most Christians would argue that we are only able to do anything good by the grace of God. It's by our own volition that we sin, but if we choose to cooperate with grace, God grants us the ability to achieve incredible things in spite of our weaknesses

[@MeanBeanComedy]

​@@borgwardd24That's closer to a Reformed understanding of things, so Presbys and some Baptists. 👍🏻

[@LLPOF]

If I were that judge, I would have replied to Darrow's defense : "I am sentencing these two to death because of the infinite forces at work through the millions of years of evolutionary processes have programmed me to do so."

[@419]

Couldn't you also say "I'm not sentencing them, because my evolution is telling me not to"?

[@LLPOF]

@@419 You could, but not me.

[@419]

@@LLPOF Okay well it's just your opinion vs mine then. So why is yours right?

[@LLPOF]

@@419 Well, if I believe as you do and I have no objective standard for moral values, then yes, you are correct, it is just your opinion vs mine. I believe this wondrous universe has meaning because of the righteous God who created it and has established a basic morality in everyone's heart. That is why I think I am correct. You, of course, can follow your own path. You have that right.

[@419]

@@LLPOF I believe the same thing you do. I just assumed that since you used evolution as a basis for your moral judgement that you didn't have a true objective source of morality.

[@Salih.EduBlock]

Excellent conversation. Thanks

[@KC-ku5sp]

I’d love to see Jim Wallace on, I think it’d be a great conversation.

[@darcyp1602]

Plant the seed and see if it sprouts. We are praying for you Joe. 🙏

[@peterparr5548]

I love Rogan. He is what the press should aspire to be.

[@ryanroberts3241]

This was an interesting conversation. Calm on both sides. Helped me to assess the arguments fairly.

[@DirkWaive]

Great conversation

[@michaelm541]

Wouldn't it be nice to have politicians who were this articulate?

[@Gypsyalchemy333]

Why am I being flooded with Old Rogan podcasts?

[@niikiitss]

I was thinking the exact same thing wtf is going on?

[@Mr.Robot90]

I think they are uploading the podcasts which were exclusive to spotify.

[@dumbask44]

Because they are shady the heat came through

[@dumbask44]

​@@niikiitssflood me with every podcast what a patient geniune genius. That's hard work playing this role especially if your not interested. Thanks Joe and guest speakers! Meet the World!

[@airiksknifereviews9548]

Jamie just uploaded 500+ vids from the podcast ...Thats what someone was saying on another video.

[@OklahomaDsDad]

Joe should have read or was briefed on Dr. Meyer's 3 books and all his conclusions BEFORE he sat with Stephen. I hope this is better than the first interview.

[@michaelscotch69]

The only way that it could get better is if your perspectives have changed within a year because this is a reupload

[@CVEIWKID]

I like this guy

[@jeremymullins1294]

Joe is playing typical Internet skeptic when it comes to matters of religious belief. he turns that skeptical dial up to 11 where he’d normally have it at five for anyone else. Why doesn’t he have a biblical scholar on to talk about the origins of revelation and end times prophecy or biblical inerrancy? Instead he spouts off like the Bible is one book written by Church authorities hundreds of years later and has been lost in translation when that’s not the case at all.

[@ruth4thetruth334]

I had theological questions at a young age too. I remember asking my mom when I was 7 yrs old if God made us, then who made God? It was the first time I ever heard her say, "I don't know"

[@circlesplitter]

amazing talk

[@samuelcapper5074]

Joe needs to get Iain McGilchrist on

[@wyattlarsen3880]

Joe is curious life form. Human. Looking for ‘why’s’ in a multidimensional cadre with a singular self awareness. Great discussion.

[@5crownsoutreach]

Glad to see the full interview up.

[@benwilliams36]

Just an awesome podcast!

[@artoffugue333]

Great Joe. You press him to tell you about his personal religious beliefs. Then you proceed to lecture the esteemed Cambridge professor about how deluded he is.

[@saygrayspeech1016]

1:44:10 Joe: “Yeah, but also you want a very particular truth, that you seem to have experienced, to be true. Like, this experience with God. This experience with this, this sort of frequency that you feel that if you achieve that, you are on, the world works in a more harmonious way.” Stephen: “Yeah I would say, uh, I’m not trying to conjure up something, it’s just been something that has…” Joe: “No one’s accusing you of that.” Stephen: “Yeah. Yeah.” Incredibly smoothly shakes off the accusation and the claim that there was no accusation in it. How does this man stand it? Where is his breaking point?

[@Max-vj9bb]

Top 10

[@josephciolino5493]

Meyer may be right about SOME civilization that believed that sacrificing children was beneficial to the whole but the primary motivation was to instill fear into the population and neighboring tribes, making the priestly class more powerful.

[@WillLuthin]

Joe and Stephen did this episode like pros

[@SaintNektarios]

Rogan was out of his league during this interview.

[@WillLuthin]

@@SaintNektarios a little yea 😂

[@spartanmod3]

Classic Joe Rogan episode.

[@lucasgatti]

JR tried everything, but couldn´t

[@oliverjamito9902]

Remember thy shared "i" AM came with sincere conversations given just for thee!

[@jamiecarter9357]

The question for Joe is if he recognizes that his argument could be seen as little more than a way for someone who doesn't want to believe in a higher power to feel better about themselves.

[@asdisskagen6487]

That was the exact takeaway I had from this interview; Joe is absolute in his refusal to even entertain the possibility that Dr. Meyer has VERY valid points.

[@joab757]

How many times do we have to answer the war question. First I’d argue without Gid the world would be chaos. Evil beyond recognition. Second are more importantly, you can’t have free will and complete obedience, which would be required.

[@reasonablechristianity]

Certainty is overrated, considering there is no such thing, seeing as we can't prove anything beyond I exist. Stephen is based for saying he's had experiences which make him more confident, as faith is trust in something reliable and nothing is more reliable than God.

[@jasonvaccaro4486]

Based

[@oliverjamito9902]

Principalities who sitting in high places unseen nor seen come HERE IN FRONT AND REMIND!

[@1968cedar]

I don't believe evolutionary biologists would agree evolutionary mutation is random, or has to be degrading. New forms of life, like birds, the new structures occur over time, as responses. Not random changes....origin of birds, wasn't an event to explain, we created the modern day category of birds and what they are of animals present today. Birds didn't just appear sometime in the past and need and explanation.

[@simoncooper7353]

you don't need proof to sacrifice your children (at least for ancient civilisations) you just need to believe.

[@Ben-vr6qz]

Whatever we believe to be true all have an expiration date on them

[@smolboyi]

Joe my man they used radiometric dating on the ancient manuscripts and some of them are ancient. Also there are hundreds of manuscripts of the New Testament from within the first few hundred years, and their meaning remains highly constant even when the verbiage is different

[@oliverjamito9902]

Angels who persevere and heard the WORD come here in front and remind!

[@mickknight6963]

Fascinating guest, great discussion, Joe. ✌️

[@planetdog1641]

this is modern science at its finest!

[@oliverjamito9902]

Specially unto my 7 churches!

[@oliverjamito9902]

Not concerning thee my Host Stephen! Thank you for attending unto our OWN! But ye know?

[@Dakahrii]

Joe seems oddly quiet and reserved in this episode.

[@robertmartin1512]

Joe, with all due respect, you're so full of crap with your pushing of psychedelics as the causation and method behind religion. One man says he studied the Dead Sea scrolls and took psychedelics now believes Christianity is now based on the use of them while no reference in the bible to them. This is just your rationalization of religion in the world rather than by evidence and faith. Every religious conversation devolves into the taking of hallucinationgens. It's really annoying, factually inaccurate along with the physical damage these drugs do to the mind and brain of humans. Study and research what has been discovered before you jump to the easy out of drugs is the answer. Grow up a little. Much of the world has belief with no drugs but what the body naturally produces. I'm so sick of the drug angle. It's so much more deep than some drug ritual. It's sad you don't take the time to discover real faith in God....

[@jodihouts6032]

Easy on Joe, pray for him. God saves, Joe just doesn't know he needs it yet. Many parables about Jesus coming to save the sick and needy and oppressed. Joe is none of those things (yet) and will need our love and prayers to overcome his obsession with psychedelics.

[@artoffugue333]

Tattoos are like cigarettes. A fool's game.

[@artoffugue333]

​@@jodihouts6032to hell with JR. It's about time Christians call out the rich and famous atheists. I used to be one myself. And to hell with the other cheek. It's the face of evil materialism. 31:54