Joe Rogan Experience

Carl Hart, Ph.D., is an associate professor of psychology and psychiatry at Columbia University. He is known for his research in drug abuse and drug addiction. Hart was the first tenured African American professor of sciences at Columbia University.

[@Stendekmusic]

This episode is bad ass. Not only does the listener get to learn some seriously deep medical and societal info from a brilliant man of science, but the listener gets to witness Joe learning it too. It's so cool to see one of my favorite entertainers gaining wisdom in real time. He's like the complete opposite of Johnny Carson; instead of being aloof and guarded, He's vulnerable and open with his insights. Bravo Joe!

[@1337Se7eN7]

Yes

[@germanmeza5193]

Youl lobe johan hari on JRE

[@cl4rkj0hns0n1]

Except joe was dumb a.f. for not knowing the difference between hotboxing and second hand smoke

[@YoungMiddleMan]

philip stendek makes me feel not so bad for doin coke

[@MrAlexmiele8910]

@@cl4rkj0hns0n1 hot boxing is technically second hand smoke... if there is more then 1 person in the "hotbox"

[@ASM881]

This podcast has the most intelligent drug discussions on the Internet.

[@Landeezel]

This is really interesting and kind of hard for me to hear, as heroin has absolutely destroyed my life. However, looking at my addiction objectively, if I had legal access to a daily dose of heroin, it would absolutely not have ruined my life in the way that it has. The financial, legal, and cultural aspects of my heroin use is what caused it to ruin my life. These include the cost of procuring heroin, the need to regularly buy drugs illegally, the random abrupt forced cessation of use due to inability to procure, etc. Whenever I had a large supply, I went to work and was productive. The inability to maintain the habit is what caused my life to spiral out of control.

[@germanmeza5193]

Are you clean now? Id suggest you look into Dr Marc Lewis work on nueroscience of addiction.

[@OpiatedBliss]

moderation.

[@jaredrace4599]

Yea I was also a heroin addict and yea of course it was the lack of heroin which led me to destroy my life but I still can't get behind this dude cause it's still heroin.. nothing on earth should feel that good so I domt think it's right to continue living that life but instead to find a way to feel fine in your skin without.. now if you'd have asked me while I was still using then fuck yea give me a dose twice a day and would have made me a fine member of society but still

[@jjfghjpnwf5119]

@@jaredrace4599 But he says that 75-80% of users are not addicted and doesnt have brain damage or dopamine, serotonin... damage. Does that mean that if you daily use small doses of heroin, you can still feel perfecly fine without using it?? Does that mean it can be like having a few drinks without getting out of control?? I mean it is hard for me to understand when he says that 75-80% are not addicted, does that mean all of 80% can stop anytime without damaging consequences? Or if 80% are not addicted, they are still dependent?? I mean you were heroin user, myb you can relate and try to answer this for me?

[@jaredrace4599]

@@jjfghjpnwf5119 I mean I've met people who dabbled a bit with it but most people I've known who have tried it tended to keep doing it to the point of destroying there life.. I've met maybe one or 2 people who could do it sometimes and not think about it the next day.. but with that being said also I feel like most those people were prone from the start I suppose because usually if you try heroin then most likely you are already committed to being a drug addict in my opinion so I dont kno it's hard to speak on cause I kno me personally could never use it without spiralling.. I read a book once that said of you threw 10 people in a room and only gave them alcohol for 2 weeks 3 out of 10 will come out and be alcoholic where as heroin you throw 10 and give them nothing but heroin 8 to 9 out of 10 are coming out drug addicts so maybe that 2 out of 10 can use it I'm not sure

[@robertcarpenter3020]

I’m a recovering addict, I definitely agree that as a nation we need to overhaul our policies on drugs. But I don’t agree with the sugar coating of drug use. There are always consequences of using the narcotic big 3, cocaine, opioids, and methamphetamines. Long term use of these substances are detrimental physically, mentally, and spiritually. But I do agree that adults should be free to choose. Decriminalization, education, and long term treatment and support, basically stop equating addiction with criminality.

[@jjfghjpnwf5119]

There are consequences if you abuse and take large doses, but there is no evidence of significent brain damage by daily small doses.

[@robertcarpenter3020]

Ime Prezime unfortunately addicts don’t take small daily doses. An addict continues to use in spite of any detrimental consequences their use may cause them. I’m speaking only from my own experience so take it for what it is.

[@mikhailmikhailov8781]

Unless you are swiss and live out your entire life doing a gram of heroin daily and live a great fucking life, minus the constipation and fuckery with your test levels. Hell, probably a more enjoyable life overall than the life of a sober person would be.

[@robertcarpenter3020]

Mikhail Mikhailov I take a daily dose of suboxone so I’m not against medical and pharmaceutical aids in living a productive life. I like Sweden’s approach to long term users and think we would be wise to do something similar. Harm reduction is so much more pleasant for everyone involved

[@yonny124]

Only consequences if you abuse it. Meth and adderal are the exact same drug . Both have the same effects both same addictive. What fucks you up is the not sleeping from abusing the drug. Why do people abuse drugs? We’ll study’s show addiction comes from poor mental health, from trauma, PTSD, depression, anxiety,. Your mental health probably wasn’t the greatest before or something fucked your up when you were younger. So if we were to make things legal to do we would get rid of a lot of the crime rate. A lot of over doses. There’s no big 3 what about the worst drug in the world ? Alc does more damage to the average family. But again unchecked mental illnesses play the factor not the drugs themselves

[@cloejarozenski3097]

I don't know why, but I keep picturing Joe wearing a dreadlocks wig. I'm fucking dying.

[@nathanaellow4292]

Oh my god I just visualized that and it's so funny!!

[@nickolaguez]

Omfg! Hahahah

[@AXharoth]

+Cloe Jarozenski cant be unseen

[@Lynxchillin08]

Haha, why is that such an easy thing to visualise ? You can't un-see something like that ! Thanks for the laugh !

[@TrueTreeRadioNetwork]

jah mon, fascinating, tink pon dat mon.

[@SeeJR]

I'm gonna get so baked that I can barely follow along with the conversation.

[@eric10319515045]

Im already too baked by the time he uploads. I have no fucking chance of following this

[@aarontrejo]

+See R im there already and now this is boring I wanted some funny shit.

[@SeeJR]

+See R I'm fried, his hair looks like the cosmos.

[@HAYDENtheMANDOLOR]

I can close my eyes and make myself feel like they are right across from me Super stoner thoughts

[@Supertoxie1]

+See R I am on the same exact shit right now... I can't wait to listen to this!

[@christophermoltisanti5286]

HERB DEAN IS REALLY SMART!

[@imrankazzy9076]

That explains why he's on this podcast with dana white

[@greendogg83]

+Christopher Moltisanti Hey, I'm walking here

[@xavierjones4574]

+Christopher Moltisanti LMAFFO

[@brettlywill]

Christopher Moltisanti j

[@publicopinion3596]

Get this guy back on the podcast aswell as immortal technique please🙏🏼

[@bluegreenwoodtiger]

Oh yes, Immortal Tech is a master teacher!

[@Luckma1]

@ did you have a real flu the last 10 years? I remember when I was a kid and had the flu, I had horrible gut reactions, terrible horror dreams, sweeting and freezing at the same time, throwing of and so on. Now tell me what is so different to a cold turkey? Ok there isnt the inner unrest which always drives me crazy but thats the only thing that differs and some benzos help a lot.

[@flclub54]

@ let's see your PhD asshat. Waiting...

[@michaelsedacca7947]

Co sign

[@joshua1591]

Lol immortal technique

[@aazranfallion1237]

Finally a Doctor who is talking about how to use drugs safely and in moderation AND he is a practitioner, this is a fresh break from the nonsense the talking heads on TV sputter. Also Joe’s views on how another person assuming the right to tell another person what they can or can’t put in their body is a good point #ImAnAdultBitch

[@threat_en]

+Brian Petranek cause 10g of heroine is moderate as he said. Go troll elsewhere.

[@fcukking2]

+Brian Petranek ill take the 10 g. pay pal me the cash nikkuh.

[@aazranfallion1237]

Brian Petranek Touched a nerve, did I?

[@nomadheros4663]

There is a huge difference between dependence and addiction...

[@chrisdownum1034]

Sorry, I'm confused, what is the difference

[@gregorylathamjr2447]

@@chrisdownum1034 physical dependency is associated with the body's reaction to the substance. For example one may experience some WD effects coming off opioids if they have been taking them for some amount of time even as prescribed...yet this is not what addiction is... Addiction is not a physical disease or a psychological disorder it is merely psychosocial distress associated with one's drug use. One can have addiction and not have dependency and vice versa. Which is what makes things such as involuntary rehabilitation and the drug war in general so problematic. Sociologically we are creating more addiction with the drug war and the "tough love" NA sort of stuff. Addiction is made up of psychological and sociological distress...dependency can play a role in addiction of course...as obviously it can cause psychological distress. However our knee jerk reactions to the addiction "epidemic" which include bad recovery science (good for profit tho) and abstinence only and even 12 step programs which seek to induce social distress associated with otherwise functioning drug users in order to "prevent" their addiction. Our whole approach to addiction is actually irrational. It would only be rational if addiction was a brain disease, but it's not. As a sociologist who has studied this as well, most users are functional but when we attempt to discourage use by increasing distress we are actually creating addiction rather than preventing it.

[@natek1993]

So damn true

[@natek1993]

@@gregorylathamjr2447 well said.

[@813lynch4]

@@gregorylathamjr2447 I couldn't agree more. Well thought & with brutal truth.

[@sodgbmg]

Get Alex jones or Louis ck on AFTER you throw up some madflavor fuckin momo

[@seanm6925]

Agreed minus Alex Jones

[@mattkolb2579]

+sean m (mustangdude1995) Alex Jones would talk over Joe more than Bill O'Reilly talks over his guests. it'd be 20 seconds of Joe, and 2.5 hrs. of the ramblings of a mad man (or smart con man)

[@drevm7991]

+Matt Kolb They're friends.

[@sodgbmg]

+Dan iel your opinion is important but that's not a fact maybe to you he's worthless but to others he isn't.

[@mattkolb2579]

+Nick Stewart not so much friends as much as Joe tolerates Alex's presences. they haven't done anything together in years, I've heard Joe say many a time " I like him...but..."

[@fannimadarasz2125]

Finally an American that makes sense about this.

[@sunisalee9573]

Thank you Carl Hart, for giving voice and power to the voiceless and powerless. It's annoying for "users" to be lumped in and stereotyped as an "addict." Drug users only do bad things/become society's problem when they don't have drugs. Given a steady supply, they are actually productive members of society and often kinder and more generous than the average person.

[@russbrewsta7412]

Ahahahaha your fucking dumb and in denial

[@nicougrikify]

Politicians should be fined heavily for lying. They are our representatives and lying means they are not doing their jobs correctly, and this causes problems for our country and our people. ACCOUNTABILITY needs to finally reach the people in positions of power before it is too late.

[@michaelsedacca7947]

nicougrikify Pelletier power is in the ppl the problem is we the ppl always wait for our one leader to rise so they can follow . If only more ppl were interested in being leaders then we could change this Rome style rule in America

[@asev01]

I love it when someone who has never personally gone through opiate withdrawals tells you how minimal the effects are and compares it to "just like having the flu". Yeah, just like the flu, if the flu was the single most miserable experience known to man kind that could possibly last for as long as three months. It can be different for everyone. For one person it might be just like having the flu for a week but for anyone who has dealt with extensive opiate addiction, it can be an absolutely excruciatingly miserable experience worthy of suicidal thoughts, lasting literally for months. Oh yeah, and also add in the fact that you cant sleep through it. Even with the worst of flu's, a couple capfuls of that green Nyquil shit and you can usually get at least a few hours of mouth breathing sleep. With opiate withdrawals, the insomnia ensures there is no escape from the misery, and even once the worse parts of the withdrawals subside, the insomnia continues sometimes for years for some people. I see a lot of people calling this Doctor an idiot on here. I'm not gonna call him an idiot as he is obviously well educated and I believe he means well however he has definitely been misinformed about quite a few things that he is supposedly an expert on. Heroin use isn't bad for you at all? I guess the countless clinical studies done that show huge health risks are all wrong. Everything from collapsed veins (even with clean needles and clean pharmaceutical grade heroin), long term neuronal and hormonal system effects and devastation to the immune system, all the way to deterioration of the brains white matter, have all been found and diagnosed as symptoms subsequent of heroin use in numerous studies. I'm actually 100% in agreement with Joe and this doctor about the benefits of making ALL drugs completely legal and decriminalized, even the ones that are bad for you. If you don't have the freedom to control or alter your own consciousness, then what freedom do you have at all? But I also believe that "experts" shouldn't be misinforming others on issues as important as this especially when what they are saying is simply second hand opinion with no personal experience or point of reference.

[@ezski36ski69]

how lucrative do they get

[@Pollockdinner]

+Eric Zbonski oh they be getting lucrative

[@HAYDENtheMANDOLOR]

Very LUCRATIVE

[@SeeJR]

+Eric Zbonski Lucrative = Trigger Warning

[@KimNguyen-lj4uk]

+RenegadeBurger nah brother your just not doing it right, time to get your Lucratitivity up^^^ or else

[@FifaTrainer]

+Eric Zbonski I be gettin mad lucrative! Copped this :) teespring.com/how-lucrative-can-you-get

[@dozerdlx4183]

Loved the podcast! Dr Hart is right on the money about drugs. I run a very respected drywall business and have been on opiates for 15yrs without any problems. I wake up take my dose which gives me energy and helps with pain. Were all adults here and should be able to use what drugs we want if it helps us in life. I also use presciption speed at times to finish a job or bang out a workout. Things need to change.

[@updod88]

@@brooker.6416 this guys dead btw. Its sad but truth, he OD on heroin.

[@lauralemieux5420]

@@updod88 No he's not.... I couldn't find anythkng anywhere that said he died. Where did you hear that he died of a heroin overdose? I think it's bullshit

[@updod88]

@@lauralemieux5420 because I know him lol how would I know

[@updod88]

@Va Kuums the one on the comments

[@keeganmoonshine7183]

@@updod88 lmfao that's why you don't do drugs kids. No such thing as safe use of opiates and other hard drugs. Addiction will inevitably happen.

[@yomama4711]

I heard for episode 700 Joe Rogan will clone himself and interview himself

[@OpiatedBliss]

+Yo Mama is sure to entertain

[@joesfreetime]

+Yo Mama www.change.org/p/joe-rogan-joe-rogan-clones-and-interviews-himself-for-jre-700

[@yomama4711]

+Joe is this real life?

[@joesfreetime]

+Yo Mama is life real?

[@yomama4711]

+Joe MIND=BLOWN

[@djmesican]

"Hooched up for Jesus" lmao...

[@CooperCarr]

One of friend died from heroin. It is an extremely addictive and dangerous drug. Coke almost ruined my other friend's life. These drugs aren't to be fucked with.

[@Dmetal23]

+Cooper Carr no heroin is healthy its all good nigga 420 blaze it - carl hart

[@mattkolb2579]

so, because your friend and father were irresponsible and had poor self control, that should dictate drug policy for 300 million other people?

[@zshakur]

+Cooper Carr Listen to him more closely. He's not disagreeing with u, he's saying when used responsibly they can be safe for moderate consumption. He also talks about the adulterants or "cut" that dealers use is what is most harmful. Listen to Joey Diaz talk about snorting coke cut with quinine, or gasoline, or baking soda, or whatever they can find to stretch the package. My condolences for your loss. I am not trying to argue his point, I just think u could benefit from a second listen.

[@FlexinGains]

+Cooper Carr coke is just expensive and not worth it stick to pot kids

[@CooperCarr]

Zayd Shakur No insult taken you are the only guy not being a douche knuckle. I am just of the opinion when there is something as highly addictive as heroin pure or not. No quantity should be consumed. I'd just much rather live in society that isn't about escaping life but embracing and tackling it truly understanding the amazement of life. There is a reason why this stuff collapses your veins destroys your circulatory system.

[@randomnumbers710]

This guy is incredibly interesting. I definitely think illicit drugs can be much more beneficial then the media makes it out to be. Glad to see progressive thinkers

[@89emeza]

wait, Carl just asked to be hot boxed as a scientific experiment! PLEASE tell me Joe didnt just ignore that!

[@ShaneMuzza]

Wow. Thank you so much Dr. Carl Hart for educating me and stating true evident facts about everything to do with drugs.

[@dlo5640]

Something tells me shooting heroin twice a day can in fact be devastating... I really feel like that was an irresponsible comment to make... Although I def agree with how other countries handle the drug problem

[@SamBassComedy]

Cocaine is okay. When I've done it, I always had great conversations. Not something I would personally do often.

[@MerXDaPropheTGMO710]

Feels good to hear someone speak some truth on opiates. Although the US has had a huge overprescription of opiates some of us unfortunately need them to live a productive life because there are no other available options as far as surgeries. I am an amputee, deal with chronic pain, and have never abused the Oxys, Methadone, Dilaudid, or Fentanyl I have been prescribed, just like many others.

[@farrellcityking1]

The legendary Dr. Hart. Respect is due.

[@jamesh4516]

I'm a struggling opioid addict and in that show I saw exactly what I go through with withdrawal. And it takes about 36 hours before symptoms to hit and 3 days before they peak. Love the show!

[@grizzlywhisker]

try suboxone if you can. it works well for me, i've been on it for 3 years and have been opiate free. i still smoke cannibus from time to time, but being off the pills and heroin has allowed me to drastically change my lifestyle for the better.

[@lokispeicher8103]

Sub withdraw was worse than dope for me in many ways.. Def longer..def more mentally crushing. And depression......months...then comes the PAWS.. If u ever stop taper it down slowly Ymmv

[@waywardsuol]

Haha the part about herein not being bad reminded me of the "Evil is good" scene in Vampire in Brooklyn

[@tristanmctaggart4623]

I agree with this podcast. If I can legally inject myself with a fatal dose of battery acid why should I not be able to do the same with heroine? (not something I would want to do personally.) I have taken a wide range of psychoactive substances including alcohol, cannabis, amphetamine, cocaine, MDMA, 6APB, LSD, DMT and many others (I chose to avoid opiates, crack and meth.) The substance that I have had the most problems with is alcohol, which I consume to excess every day. I am currently residing in Bulgaria which has fairly severe consequences for possession "illegal" substances and as such I am not able to and choose not to obtain them. In my personal experience I have found that access to other substances reduces my desire to consume alcohol very quickly to zero (I suffer no withdrawal symptoms as I only drink in the evening) and that I have more enjoyment and less side effects. Legalisation of all psychoactive substances should occur globally. I have had experiences that I would not have had if I had not have had if I had not consumed psychoactive substances and I believe that these experiences have been important to my life (in a overall beneficial fashion) and my outlook on it (every aforementioned substance). Education is very important in this matter and I would not advocate putting a substance into your body without doing the proper research into its effects and possible side effects. I have seen transformative as well as severe side effects in both myself and others from drug use. There is no substitute for education into any substance you are considering putting into your body.

[@fannimadarasz2125]

What fucks you up about Heroin is the lifestyle, impurities in the street drug, the crimes that people commit.

[@chrissamuels5572]

If there were anyone to inspire me to become a doctor, it would be Dr.Hart. Please continue having him on the podcast. The level if chill and intellect is off the charts with that guy and I've got nothing but love and positivity for him and the future of his career.

[@kingofthekit]

The only thing I took issue with is that more people should do drugs in reference to all the problem of mental health. To fix these problems especially for the future we need to get to the root, Dr.Hart mentions this, which is childhood trauma from parents either emotional or physical. That is the strongest connection between drugs and users.

[@LJDS1979]

LOL I can see Rogan being like 'shit I gotta bring my mental A game for this interview.'

[@circleofrage]

so refreshing to hear someone speak on these issues in this open, unbiased way. great guest, great show bros.

[@grizzlywhisker]

i agree with dr. hart. i had a serious drug problem for 10 years, i was a fully functioning addict who worked 40+ hours a week and got shit done. i used any/all types of drugs and learned that i am an addict and i cannot take certain drugs because they will cause serious problems in my life. i went the recovery route and have been on suboxone for 3 years. although i have mixed feelings about suboxone, it has kept me 100% opiate free since i started taking it. i still smoke cannibus from time to time to get a creative edge or different perspective on my art/music, and i do believe some drugs can be very beneficial if taken responsibly in safe doses. drugs should not be taught to be such a morally unacceptable thing, people need to think for themselves and stop buying into this "war on drugs" that is doing nothing but hurting addicts and innocent people rather than helping them and teaching them the truth about drugs. great podcast.

[@lycantico]

Dr GreenThumb, paging Dr GreenThumb...

[@jordanwendt3359]

+stevied2k10 be quiet

[@jordanwendt3359]

+stevied2k10 thank you sir

[@nocomment1469]

+Atheist Priest looks like you be sticking up a brown finger in that picture, could be fertilizer for your green thumb maybe

[@slugemonkey313]

I was bummed out tht I missed the live Ustream earlier today, but thanks to PowerfulJamieVernon I'm watching it the same day. Thanks Joe Rogan and everyone who collaborate to keep this podcast train moving constantly. I appreciate the free content and I will forever support this podcast and what it stands 4. #FREENICKDIAZ #FuckPatLundvall #PowerfulJRE #MaadFlavor #DeathSquad #LetsGetLucrative #DTFH #SkepticTank #ChurchOfWhatsHappeningNow #CockSucka #Hashtag#

[@liothetorturer4431]

osss

[@KimNguyen-lj4uk]

+MetusBatman V1 Jamie's got a big wang, he's been trying to slide off for awhile now..it's up on ustream

[@slugemonkey313]

MetusBatman V1 How am I on Jamie's dick?? Just giving him props 4 editing and uploading this podcast the same day it was recorded. Tht shits fucking tedious. And frankly your a D-Bag sir.

[@metusbatmanv1623]

That1Dewd What editing, moron? Uploading a video to KZbin is praiseworthy, moron? Tedious, moron? You are a moron.

[@metusbatmanv1623]

***** *an irrational, moron. There is nothing irrational about what I said, moron. Stop trying to play daddy on the internet, moron.

[@nikolaos9175]

Absolutely amazing, thank you for allowing Dr. Hart to return. Thank you thank you. Both of you guys are just awesome.

[@malia4852]

This show and the last one(469)has and is really helping me understand my issues and thinking about drugs and addiction.. Thank you.

[@HektikHQ]

The most popular and problem causing forms of opiates do NOT have acetaminophen in them. Like Oxycodone 30mg and Oxycontin don't have it. Only the smaller 5 and 10mg percocet and Vicodin and things like that contain acetaminophen

[@traktion9]

+HektikHQ When I broke my arm the oxycontin they gave me had it, the thing is they have methods to remove the acetaminophen.

[@fcukking2]

+HektikHQ yeah but goodluck finding a doctor now a days that will give you oxycontin inless you have cancer.like he was saying all this blame on pills is scaring doctors from prescribing them

[@fcukking2]

+traktion9 yeah you can do CWE on almost all pills with APAP but theirs no 100% certainty that you got it out so its a big risk.

[@HektikHQ]

fcukking2 No doubt, I'm not even sure if oxycontin is still a thing. I know around my area in Boston Oxy's became a big problem and they started replacing the "OC"s with "OP"s that they did something to which you couldn't really sniff or shoot. But I know Oxycodone is still a big thing around here. Years ago in Florida a BUNCH of people use to goto all multiple pain clincs in a month and get a bunch of Oxycodone pills. Now they updated the database so people can't go to more than 1 doctor at a time and they've definitely cracked down but I know there's still a bunch of oxycodone around and I think it really depends on the doctor as far as how much pain you need to be in to get them perscribed. Some doctors may not superscribe them unless you have some sort of serious pain where other places perscribe them for back pain and less serious stuff

[@kalebhester3451]

Thanks I was just about to clear that up. There's probably more pills that don't have the Tylenol in it

[@alexshep3083]

Heroin withdrawal is not like the flu

[@noudhospers2419]

Alex Shep the point he makes is that the changes the body goes thru while going thru withdrawal are similar to having the flu. While the mind of the person going theu withdrawal is getting ripped apart. So the person going thru withdrawal will expierence it like an extreme thing while the body isnt harmed more than with the flu.

[@thugnificent9143]

No shit dumbass

[@lynlee6861]

@@noudhospers2419 thats some b.s., prolly comiing from another person that hasn't been there. It has to do with what drug, how long, how much. Persons age and health to start with. Blood pressure increases significantly during opiate withdrawal, not so withthe flu. Severe life threatening anxiety, theres a couple of differences for u know it all people. So called dr dont even know the difference between dependence and addiction. Please just dont speak about such serious things unless u have been there.

[@istolethisaccount]

Lyn Lee Lmao so many things wrong here. He did not say that opiate withdrawal is the same as the flu. He made a comparison, a commonly used comparison, comparing something most people don’t have experience with, to something people do have experience with. Of course opiate withdrawal will manifest itself in more negative symptoms especially if chronically used for long periods of time, but he’s comparing the physical effects, the nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, sweating, chills, fever, etc. Also no matter how addicted to opiates you are you will not get “life threatening” anxiety. You can get severe anxiety and panic attacks, none of which are lethal. I’m not a doctor, but neither are you, carl is the only doctor here. We’re not trying to be “know it alls” we are simply trying to make sense of this crazy thing called drugs. And the fact that you think people who aren’t as “experienced” as you about a certain topic can’t talk about said topic only shows your own lack of reasoning skills and gives u less credibility. Over here tryin to tell us how we’re not doctors, and then completely calling out the ONLY actual doctor here for being “wrong”, like your somehow above everyone else. This dudes dedicated literally his entire life to studying drugs and they’re effects on people, has way more of an education than youll ever have, way more experience than you’ll ever have in the field, and you’re just gonna call him some “so called” doctor because he made a point you disagreed with, without looking into it. He’s done the research. Everything he says is evidence based, sure he’s not perfect of course but he’s highly qualified and we should respect that instead of being ignorant little shitheads that just talk without doing research. And trust me i have WAY too much of experience with drugs and addiction any addictive narcotic you name it i’ve done it. And i can tell you from first hand experience heroin withdrawal is completely different than the flu. But i understand why he stated that and why he stated “withdrawal isn’t a big deal”. He’s not saying it’s not painful, or grueling, what he’s saying is that physical withdrawal is a common reaction to persistant use of a substance and the reason why people’s lives are destroyed by drugs are not because of withdrawal, it’s because of how difficult society makes life for a daily heroin user.

[@michaelodonnell6949]

I've been listening to your podcasts for 2 years now. I just wanted to write on here because after 6 years of medical school and battling with Depression/Discontent/Disillusion I re-found my passion and purpose in life (which ironically medical school fucking destroyed). That has a lot to do with THESE sort of people you've invited to bring and have a real dialogue about our modern times. The current system clearly is not working, and as long as governments are receiving incentives to perpetuate a un-winnable war on drugs we will continue to be in this "quagmire" of bullshit that doesn't help the people who really need it. It's funny how comedians in society can turn a mirror on ourselves and get our heads out of our asses. Thank you Joe and Dr Hart, I look forward to the next discussion. Thank you

[@Bloodmoondream]

I had a friend who killed himself because he couldn't quit heroin. People die from this stuff as we ALL know. I've seen someone rocking back and forth in a chair with his arms over his stomach obviously in SERIOUS withdrawal pain. Hardly flu like symptoms. Very irresponsible of him to say what he did about heroin in the beginning of this interview. People try it once and they love it so much that they continue and then the addiction kicks in. Look at all the musicians that have died from heroin. I don't know if I can watch the rest of this video and looking at all of the positive comments is very disturbing. I picture everyone here deciding to do heroin now. That's F'd up. Anyone trying to quit, replace it with weed and don't look back.

[@montreal41]

High Price by Carl Hart is one of the best books

[@montreal41]

trust i'm 19 and i can hear anything and everything you can about drugs. this book made me build my own opinion. inspiring

[@A6Legit]

If you built your opinion based off of the book how can it be your own opinion?

[@msvick66]

Wish Joe would get Carl on to address this ridiculous, absurd and corrupt overreach by the DEA attacking the relative of coffee known as kratom. A leaf that can actually relieve pain and get people off of hard drugs or alcohol. Benign, mildly addictive, does not cause respiratory depression (the killer in opiates), cannot be overdosed on (too much makes you throw up), has a ceiling effect (taking more won't give any reward, it only goes so far) and makes people more productive so they can work. Been used for thousands of years safely when in it's natural state. The DEA is losing cannabis so they go after something that will help them achieve their supposed goals. Just pay these people currently working off in exchange for going away.

[@OG-NASA]

Facts

[@jasongravely7217]

Preach! Love it!

[@lynlee6861]

I doubt he even knows what it is, he dont seem to be real informed, his info is not that great, other than advocating for legalizing drugs. He certainly dont understand withdrawal

[@thefatherandthekidpodcast7114]

Kratom is superbly beneficial plant that can help those trying to come off harder drugs easily and without the most extreme withdrawal symptoms. But because it is a natural plant its chemical composition cannot be patented by Big Pharma, which makes it a threat to their profits. Hence why they have the FDA under its spell trying to systematically ban it in the United States. Once you realize what they do in order to keep the population hooked on what makes them money, you will understand how corrupt this whole legal drug enterprise really is. Podcast on this matter kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYu4YnSapbidms0

[@socialmute4101]

Whenever Dr. Hart spits some truth about functioning drug users... "FUCK WHY CANT THAT BE ME" :(

[@stacitruth7910]

I didn't take opiates for the high but for pain....the physical dependency and withdrawal kept me taking them bc it was so bad.

[@9879SigmundS]

I saw that Bill O'Reilly show and it was actually moderated rather well by O'Reilley. O'Reilley admitted his mistake readily. Other networks have the exact same format.

[@Thizlamic]

Shave the good Dr.s head and that would be Michael Jordan's twin brother.

[@vinnyprofit3701]

I wish I didn't read the comments before watching. Now that's all I see lol

[@Mike9201984]

+Thizlamic Damn I would get so lucrative with Michael Jordan

[@Thizlamic]

+Mike9201984 Hella Lucrative! LMAO

[@vinniealaniz8472]

herb dean and Jordans love child

[@Thizlamic]

HAAA RIGHT!

[@wwmusicman1]

I was addicted to Heroin. 5 years clean this December. What did you mean when you said that drugs don't turn people into criminals. How can you make that sort of generalization. Sure I agree that most drug users are moderate, functioning users, but why do you think I got to the point where I was so physically dependent that I began committing crimes in order to get money for Heroin. I never committed crimes before or after my addiction. Why would that not be considered drug induced? I have issues with some of your points when I know from first hand experience and through witnessing others go down similar paths that some of your points are wrong. I love that you are starting a dialogue about drug dis-information, which is necessary to ending the drug war and changing assumptions, but you still seem to make points that are not true for at least a significant number of addicts/users I've come across--including myself. Keep up the good work. I wish I could chat with you as well and get this cleared up. Love ya Rogan!!!!!!!!!

[@tronzhivago4373]

yes! first carl hart pod was def in my top 5 favs

[@FJMerlin]

I absolutely love this guy and these conversations are so important. I just hope this message reaches the people it needs to. I would guess the majority of JRE listeners already agree with some or most of the opinions shared. But how do we go about getting this message exposed to the people that still believe "DRUGS" are bad all the while having a drink in their hand because that is socially acceptable, or a smoke in their mouth because its legal? Whenever I try to have a logical discussion about this with friends I lose half the crowd because there is such a negative stigma associated with it. With all that said, what good is a youtube comment without some negativity... But I will be nice about the criticism.... Dr. Hart, please cut your finger nails... that is all.

[@lynlee6861]

No shit, why would a man have nails like that? And the dreads! Disgusting!

[@LibertyRapsher]

Finally a dude who I agree with all the way across the board...even on every side topic! Awesome discussion... And Dr. Hart gave me more insight/info to add to my arsenal to have more conviction on this topic. I live/hang with people of a libertarian mindset...essentially a small libertarian society and everyone gets the concept of the illegality of drugs being a bunch of bullshit, yet (outside of marijuana) "hard" drugs are even more taboo then when I was hanging among my statist friends growing up. Who would of thunk? It's just refreshing not only to to hear someone of a like mind, but to gain more insight on this topic.

[@LibertyRapsher]

+Liberty Rapsher disagree with the regulating part, but obviously agree with legalize, except no regulations. A regulated market gives the power right back to government and their corporate buddies.

[@Brian0wns]

I want to see a documentary on these drug clinics in these other countries.

[@DarkSideoftheTune]

This is hands down the most fascinating discussion from this podcast I've seen so far.

[@JabariNuruddin]

Awesome! I just started my freshman year at Columbia.

[@LeftLaneDreams]

+Mockingbird5150 lmao

[@KimNguyen-lj4uk]

what class does he teach?

[@JabariNuruddin]

Nothing I'm in, I'm a computer engineer.

[@zshakur]

+BindeDSA Take one of his classes anyway. U can sign up for whatever u want after 1st semester

[@JabariNuruddin]

+Zayd Shakur I might eventually, I want to get my major requirements out of the way now, so I'm taking all sciences. I hope to have a more relaxed senior year with all the rigorous required stuff out of the way.

[@ruffsnap]

Oh hello 1080p, nice to see you, bout damn time ;)

[@crypticraps]

This guy is amazing. I’m glad I’m on a JRE kick at work today.

[@jessicacampbell9269]

Sober from heroin 2 years and I definitely agree with this doctor...makes so much sense!

[@Dmetal23]

Lol... yeah there are so many successful people who do heroin... get fucking real nigga

[@threat_en]

I mean I'm sure they blatantly say they do heroine in public to attract the DEA and police.

[@marcboag]

+Dmetal23 well i know it's probably a bad thing to point out that the guy died but there was recently a professor of Oxford university who headed his own research both in Oxford and another university in I think it was Sweden who led research into cancer treatment. Can't say he was not successful.

[@marcboag]

+Marc Boag There's also another one who was a PHD student researching parkinsons from Oxford

[@marcboag]

+Marc Boag another at Yale university. Sadly these are just examples of people who've overdosed but they are out there

[@anabellecurtis75]

+Dmetal23 He, like so many people completely get the "artistic" thing wrong too. Most of the artist who ended up using a lot of drugs were either already hugely famous for work they did before their addicitons, or were already exceptional artists before the drug use (i.e. Hendrix, Cash, Parker, Whinehouse). But once the heavy drug use started - there's was /is usually a direct correlation to how shitty their music became...if they lived long enough to write anything Our culture has such a fucked up view of drugs - especially that they are somehow associated with brilliant artistic ideas. When in reality, the best work that we love was done dead sober, and often at periods prior to or after heavy substance abuse. Just watch the KZbin videos of Amy Whinehouse in the last 2 years of her life. They are depressing as shit. And in that state, she wrote garbage, and could barely perform the great work she did while relatively sober. If anything - heavy drug use has completely killed the ability for many artist to express themselves well. And yet we ascribe all the amazing work they did while sober (or relatively sober) to wild drug and alcohol abuse. It's so silly.

[@SlackerU]

WTF Joe, my brain is so discombobulated my visions blurry. I need some more Dr. Hart as I no longer understand what I'm suppose to believe about "Drugs". Oh my, with all the things I've said and believed. This is going to take some time for me to adjust.

[@TheFarmacySeedsNetwork]

glad to have seen both Dr Hart's interviews... frikin excellent!

[@slicklickum1880]

stoked about this entire interview and want to thank you Joe for turning me onto Dr. Carl.

[@chunglii8]

why is fuck censored on this dude's shirt and not shit? Inconsistent shirt.

[@benjaminfredrick5791]

+Chung Lii You know why.

[@keredchang]

+Chung Lii Inconsistent with what? If we're talking about current censorship laws or social norms of censorship then it's very consistent. +Aaron That makes for frequent frustration? How mentally weak or unstable do you need to be to let THAT frustrate you. And frequently....sometimes?

[@jimmydane34]

+Aaron you know who gets fustrating by fuck even though F*** means same thing. housewives and virgins

[@blazedandconfused477]

Someone's OCD is acting up...

[@izaccy]

"The difference between doctors/scientists and your average youtube poster is that the former will acknowledge their ignorance in a field of study, and research it to obtain accurate information. whereas someone like you will just say "it sounds like bullshit" without ANY evidence."

[@zippoboyshaneshank8954]

I'd like to correct two things here. The first is that opioid withdrawal is just like the flu. I hear this a lot, and that oversimplification makes it seem like something that would be easy to get over. Physically it is like the flu, but mentally it's like a three day to a week long anxiety attack. Every signal in your brain makes you feel like you are dying, and it's so intense that people do sometimes kill themselves to alleviate the pain... So it can be deadly. The second correction I'd like to make, is that a hangover is alcohol withdrawal. To a very minor extent, your body may be craving more alcohol, but mostly a hangover has to do with dehydration and you body trying to equalize after having a bunch of toxins flushed though it. Some of the metabolites in alcohol are poisonous, and create this response. Otherwise, I love Dr. Hart, and really agree with his opinions!

[@4cido_D0ming0_Vinc3]

Yeah! Really the best talk i've heard in the Experience series! Keep on doin' them!!!!

[@roishonbowman6174]

This interview showed me how much of my thoughts are manufactured by others.

[@dosbox907]

Its fucked isnt it?

[@efalken]

He's so clueless about the ability of steroids to increase performance, it makes me skeptical of his insights on things like heroine.

[@michaelsedacca7947]

Eric Falkenstein yeah I would not co sign the use of drugs . If you are educated about drugs and how they affect you then you make an educated decision on how you dose yourself

[@vrmmmm]

What a great guest! I learned a lot.

[@HomeGuitarMods]

Thanks for the awesome Podcast! This was a wonderful interview to listen to. Thanks for what you do!

[@kittylady6946]

The "popular mythology" of heroin withdrawal being the sickest most people have ever been in their life? Sorry, but it's TRUE. And yes, many in the medical community describe withdrawal as "flu-like". But let me tell you, it's flu-like in the same way lions are cat-like.

[@kittylady6946]

But yes, you will "be fine" as Carl Hart says. You're not going to die. But in terms of minimizing the experience of kicking heroin, that's what I'm disagreeing with.

[@sammleesonja]

ive never had a heroin withdrawal but i had a fairly gnarly ayahausca trip once. Felt like i went to hell and back.

[@RyanPig]

Hart isn't saying flu like symptoms are nothing, but unlike Xanax and alcohol withdrawals opiate withdrawals are not fatal

[@avedic]

+Audrianne Giroud Absolutely. I've had the flue. And I've gone through opiate withdrawal. Both several times in my life. Opiate withdrawal is far *_FAR_* worse than the flu. The only similarity is runny nose, watery eyes, and nausea. But with withdrawal...you also get _insane_ depression and anxiety....and the worst part _by far_ is the lack of comfort in your arms and legs...and eventually entire body. "Lack of comfort" might not _sound_ bad...but holy shit you have no idea. It's between a pain and an itch...although totally different. *Try this:* Scratch your arm with the nails of your other hand. Do it mildly hard...but not so hard you physically hurt yourself. Now, keep doing this for an hour. Within a few minutes you'll feel insanely annoyed and want to stop...but don't. Keep going for one hour. I guarantee you will feel like you're going batshit insane. It's like chinese water torture. Now imagine feeling that over your entire body...24/7, for a week or two(depending on the opiate)...and getting literally *_zero_* sleep whatsoever because of it. _Combined_ with the flu-like symptoms and the depression and anxiety. Trust me...it's absurdly worse than a paltry flu. Having said all that....opiates themselves are physiologically quite safe to use. As long as you're smart about your use, the *only* real downside is running out or running into the law. But the drug itself isn't anywhere near as dangerous as alcohol...which is a fucking neurotoxin.

[@kittylady6946]

+avedic "you have no idea" Oh yes, I do!

[@bwolohan18]

If it's synthetic it's called an opioid. This "Dr" doesn't seem to even know the correct terminology.

[@thugnificent9143]

You're not as qualified as him

[@thugnificent9143]

You're not holding the guitar right btw

[@lynlee6861]

@@thugnificent9143 evidently he is, he knows more than this dr. This man is not an m.d. Or if he is, hes forgot everything he learned. Maybe hes a PhD, but i kinda doubt that even

[@lynlee6861]

@@thugnificent9143 are u serious? Probably

[@ElCalamar_]

Lyn Lee he has a phd in neuroscience. and man so he called something an opiate instead of an opioid. he's clearly more academically oriented over speaking oriented, you're just being ignorant.

[@Slohrable]

That moment in life when you listen to another person and really gain an entirely new persceptive. One of many reasons I love these podcasts. Thank you for that, Joe.

[@rhubarbcheese]

Thank you Joe Rogan and company for having carl hart on here again and happy that he has been travelling and discovering new things about drugs. Very enlightening!

[@Beunibster]

Doesn't believe in hotboxing!? That's just... What!?

[@AmericanRebel1776]

I'm so high i spent the first fifteen minutes trying to figure out what the rest of dr carl hart's shirt said

[@MrJosh6889]

+AmericanRebel1776 Did you figure it out? I think I read the first line but forgot to try to read the second.

[@AmericanRebel1776]

its day 2 and i still havent figured it out

[@Angloth]

+AmericanRebel1776 cannot be uNseeeeeen

[@AmericanRebel1776]

+DissolvingTime thanks man it was a 2 day investigation and now it is solved

[@JohnJones1987]

It's been 2 years. Have there been any followup investigations re: this.

[@epicFrogman]

I haven't been this blazed in a long long time. Bless everyone out there

[@shavanga]

the documentary Joe was talking about is Merchants of Doubt, not Mirage Men. For those who wanna check it out

[@sheepwhisperer8527]

America trying to unload some of that Afghan Heroin.

[@amann24]

NICK DIAZ FOR 700! #FREENICKDIAZ #LUCRATIVE

[@airforcelogistics3301]

I’m 48 minutes in and this is one of the best most informative episodes on here. Although there are many more that I’ve felt the same way about. But as of today this is so important information. Damn Joe. Thank you. Dr. Carl. Thank you. Internet of the USA not China or the USSR.... thank you too. Access man. F access to this info. Thanks.

[@1badduc996]

For the love humanity! Please do not experiment with heroine! I personally have seen over 30 people I know die in the past 3 years from overdoses. Heroine can and from my experience does ruin lives and the people that care for them.

[@aaronth5764]

I’ve got a problem with this guy giving the thumbs up to doing drugs, I’ve seen to many peoples lives go down hill from doing drugs. Maybe I just don’t understand

[@robertcarpenter3020]

I agree with you, I’m a recovering addict and have seen addiction ravage too many lives. And I don’t believe you can be a casual user of most hard drugs. I do agree that something needs to change with our national policies on drugs, but a free for all approach isn’t the answer either.

[@michaelsedacca7947]

I think the people should be educated much earlier in life on the variation of drugs afflicting our society . If teenagers were taught this info in school not just by lectures but actually hands on seeing for themselves that way they can make better choices cause most of time it begins because we lack the information necessary to make educated decisions in the moment . It most often it begins in the youth . But , the school system would rather teach the youth unnecessary information that they’ll likely never need esp to survive in this sick society.

[@westlagunner310]

I don't think he's giving the thumbs up for people to go do drugs but he is saying people should be more educated, and not become criminals for using them

[@RKFCGSBGK]

Listen to what he says. He's coming at it from a personal and a scientific perspective. He advocates for helping people with drug problems, not jail time. Regardless of your morality, that's the message you should respect.

[@ElCalamar_]

you completely missed his point. it's easy to blame the drug, it's the person and the laws around it

[@liftedview]

"dr. carl hart is smart smart smart, aaaaaand fox news is dum-dum-dum-duuuuuuum" (x2)

[@Johnycum]

Awesome episode really learnt something always do but great really opened my mind this one did. Thank you Joe and the rest of the guys.

[@FatNuts1983]

Awesome! SO excited to see a podcast up on Monday!

[@spreadwinner]

Why not have a steroid league and a clean league in all the sports. If some billionaire started a steroid baseball league it probably would be successful. Same with MMA.

[@veganmikey1]

This guy is a pretty open minded and brave dude.

[@ItzReptar]

Love this guy. If you don't already own it, check out Dr. Hart's book " High Price" & be on the lookout for his new book coming out next year (2021).

[@TacticalXRays]

thank you. perfect mix oft scientific fact, new diacoveries and personal experience.

[@MrJamesdryable]

What does his shirt say!?

[@isaiahperrry]

If people are using the word 'addiction' wrong, what word could be correctly used to express what people mean? For example, I drink coffee every morning, and when I don't I tend to feel like shit. If that's not addiction, what is that?

[@mattkolb2579]

dependency

[@BradingtonShowingtononYouTube]

Does it disrupt your day to day activities?

[@isaiahperrry]

Factual Free Thinker No, that's why I would say it doesn't fit the definition that this guy gives of addiction. Which, assuming this guy is right, leaves a void for what to call what was recently known as addiction. Maybe it's more of a chemical dependency, like the guy who replied before you said.

[@artemiasalina1860]

+Isaiah Perry Withdrawal symptoms.

[@isaiahperrry]

ArtemiaSalina Well, withdrawal symptoms would be what is happening when I feel bad as a result of not drinking coffee, but why would I be going through withdrawals? If it's not a chemical addiction, what is it?

[@strong-islandny7799]

Love Dr. Hart. He not only talks the talk, but he's walked the walk.

[@sammleesonja]

Great podcast! Thanks to all involved!

[@JacobSnakeUp]

44:31 nice fucking recovery

[@27STS]

"Acetamedicine"-Dr. Carl Hart

[@Mike9201984]

+ceebee27sts I think he means "acetalucrative"

[@ryanstephens8945]

+ceebee27sts herion aint that bad man its da acetamedicine!

[@imhellag]

+ceebee27sts just say APAP or generic tylenol.

[@rwolfe2106]

+ceebee27sts Acetamedicine is '"MEDICINE" with "Acetaminophen" in it. It always makes me laugh when people try to say someone is an idiot and then say something that makes them look retarded.

[@27STS]

rwolfe2106 A doctor speaking about drugs should be able to at least pronounce them. Just because it's medicine doesn't mean you can call it acetamedicine and be correct.

[@depthoffield4744]

Internet changed everything, it is much more difficult to lie to people because they can independently research information.

[@fredguy2]

+Quetzalcoatl™ I would say it is both easier and more difficult since anyone can put out a blog with nonfactual claims and have someone who wouldn't be any wiser to determine fact from fiction.

[@depthoffield4744]

fredguy2 It takes time for truth to come out.

[@Universal.G]

What a great show. Always a pleasure to see you both together!! Thanks again for hearing me out the first time on Twitter when I requested that you both get together!!