Joel Kills Marlene and Saves Ellie Full Scene - The Last of Us Episode 9 HBO Ending

Joel taking Ellie back from Fireflies, Joel kills Abby's father and Marlene the Fireflies leader.
#TroyBaker #thelastofus #joelmiller

[@tebyher961]

"If the lord gave me a second chance to going back to that moment, i'll do it all over again" -Joel Miller

[@CYBOrRick2004]

Why I read this in Troy bakers joel's voice

[@darkshadowgamingii]

Proceeds in New Game +

[@yeee1835]

@@CYBOrRick2004 because that's the real joel , not this fraud

[@samueldelatorre8560]

Moment gives me chills

[@xBintu]

Not what he said 😂

[@markmauk8231]

Joel is a merciless and cold blooded killer while also being a loving and caring man which is extremely hard to play, but Pedro Pascal did it.

[@stevemcqueen399]

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[@victorpradha9946]

The show (npt the game) displays well why humanity is very likely to fail and disappear. Joe's character is emblematic of the innate violence that humanity is quick to embrace in response to any situation. I think current and recent events underscore just how true that is. Last of Us (the series) was a sobering look at mankind's ultimate fate and its current trajectory!

[@keddakedda7939]

But not humanity will fall some will rise and rebuild but only a few they are the lucky but for the rest of us it’s the luck of the draw sadly

[@Woobieeee]

Know a lot of cold blooded killers do you?

[@6Tainted1370]

​@@victorpradha9946An excellent point, there's a beautiful deepness to it all. Marlene likes to claim that Joel could've fixed a broken world. Woman, what world were you living in before hand? The world was already broken!

[@MinersLoveGames]

I love Pedro's take on the "You'll just come after her." line. In the game, it's much more cold and matter-of-fact. She's one last threat to deal with. Here, it's much more subdued and non-chalant almost, like Marlene's a mere after-thought barely worth his time.

[@abdullahaltuwaijri8550]

It’s called shitty acting

[@TheShepard2011]

Pedro's body language is much tenser, too, in a very good way. As if he's dissociating from what he's doing.

[@LjuboCupic1912]

@@TheShepard2011 him trying to dissociate can also be felt in the rampage, with the way the sound kind of fades in the background and the music takes center stage

[@TheShepard2011]

@@LjuboCupic1912 That too. As if he was on autopilot, his body moving on His own, remembering all the shit he could do and using it to the fullest to save Ellie. Brilliant honestly.

[@emailzack2177]

marlene laterally said "you can't hide her" implying that she would hunt her down or someone else she could have sent

[@kevsdigitalartsmore3743]

If I were Joel I’ll do the same thing. Call me selfish. I ain’t losing a daughter if it’s within my control, especially after losing one in the past.

[@lyndagraziano2634]

yeah literally same everyone saying they wouldn't do this is lying to themselves or they don't love anyone

[@drfish4964]

@@lyndagraziano2634 I mean... sacrificing a loved one to save humanity is a hard, horrible choice, but one that I think many (if not most) people would be able to make.

[@TheAcdcrulez2134]

It’s either my loved one or the freedom fighting terrorists? I’d say hard decision but I’d already be half way through the slaughter lol

[@richardbarton5910]

@@drfish4964 nope I don't think so I would never sacrifice my family if I had to send a member of my family to die to save hundreds I would doom hundreds to save my family so you are delusional.

[@malasc12]

That, and in the game, there was a record in the room right before surgery. Marlene says there was over 20 kids who were immune like Ellie, but they still couldn't find a cure after killing them

[@WestAirAviation]

What makes humanity not worth saving is that the Fireflies didn't give Ellie or Joel a choice or let them say goodbye; Instead they tried to snatch their lives away with the same brutality as every other threat we've encountered along Joel and Ellie's journey. The irony is that, had they sat Joel and Ellie down and explained the situation, Ellie would've elected to sacrifice herself, and she'd have been more than capable of talking Joel into accepting it. But the Fireflies were so devoid of humanity, at that point, that they never even considered it. And so some viewers may conclude that the only thing worth saving were the families already safe at Tommy's town, to which Ellie and Joel belong.

[@srcastorius]

While I agree with most of what you're saying here, I don't believe that's why the Fireflies and Marlene specifically, chose not to go this route (explaining the situation and leaving it up to Ellie to decide). I believe Marlene simply couldn't take that chance, as she was determined to find a cure, no matter what. That was her motivation throughout the entire series.

[@PeripheralVisionary]

The big irony that should be entertained is that Joel would have certainly considered killing anyone else, even someone else's daughter, if it meant his daughter Sarah, should she have lived, would have not have to live in a world ruled by the corrdyceps fungi. The same may also apply to Ellie, but this brings me to my next point. If we were not Joel, but literally anyone else in the world who got news of these events, would we have even sympathize with Joel enough to think he did the right thing? To me, the answer is no, we would not have. We would have certainly killed someone else's Ellie, or at the very least advocated for their death, for the possibility of a vaccine, depending on the circumstances.

[@taluca8474]

I even believe the vaccine wouldn't work in a derelict world in TLOUS because how tf are they supposed to rebuild? And especially how are they supposed to handle against hordes of infected when at any point they'll run out of bullets and firepower

[@ramd9532]

What if Ellie and Joel said no. Then the whole Firefly purpose was all for nothing. I do agree with you that they should have sat her down and talked to both of them first but they did not want to risk her saying no.

[@WestAirAviation]

@@ramd9532 Marlene states that she knows Ellie would have wanted this. She believed it as much as we do, and the writers spent time on the line to make us aware of this. The irony was intentional in the writing.

[@Dionysus3883]

Part of me imagines that if the Fireflies hadn’t flashbanged them, captured them, and gone on to simply TAKE what they needed, this ending might have been avoided. It might have been a conversation where Ellie made her own choice, and Joel may have accepted it. But they were attacked, Joel was disarmed and restrained, Ellie was lied to, and the Fireflies behaved like tyrannical assholes. In a number of ways, Joel was perfectly justified in killing every last one of them.

[@Generic_White_Male]

This!!!!

[@Martorell_]

@@Generic_White_Male WHAT? no way

[@Generic_White_Male]

@@Martorell_ im just gonna go to the beach

[@shannonkhors]

Like in The Witcher 3, where Ciri is making a sacrifice, but it is her decision. Ciri selflessly makes a heartbreaking sacrifice and a player (Geralt) is faced with the profound choice of accepting Ciri's decision. Geralt's acceptance, tinged with both sorrow and understanding adds a new layer of emotions.

[@colemarheine3503]

I don't think the Fireflies were expecting Joel to develop a bond with Ellie. He's a smuggler, she is just cargo, or so they thought. That's why they took Ellie without Joel's consent.

[@supersnow17]

Cold blooded to the very end. That's our Joel everyone.

[@RealGaIaxy]

A selfish prick? I guess

[@quadeappenheimer8135]

He gets what’s comin to him. As much as I love him, unfortunately nothings forgotten in that world. And the cycle of revenge begins

[@GigaChadh976]

It’s not cold blooded to kill a woman who was trying to kill your daughter figure for a cure that would have never happened

[@Nada11488]

Everyone’s capable of compassion, until your kid gets hungry. You’d do well to remember that.

[@radscorpion8]

@@Nada11488 no, some people aren't as monstrous as that

[@aeris...5389]

Omg the real voice of marlene doing the scene in a real show its come full circle

[@bigdaddi69]

Thats not the voice actor of Marlene

[@whitewalker3695]

@@bigdaddi69yes it is ? Lol

[@bigdaddi69]

@@whitewalker3695 fake news

[@1hopefulsoul]

@@bigdaddi69 so who is? Do your research before confidently spewing nonsense

[@alyssapinon9670]

Got killed by two different Joel’s

[@damedeviant1388]

Pedro did a great job. He’s not full of rage like in the game - he’s just cold, almost detached and matter of fact. It really highlighted the anti-hero dichotomy better, that this was a terrible act done out of love.

[@KingdomKeyJT]

Dawg he's supposed to be angry, why would he not be angry at the people trying to kill his daughter 💀

[@MylesKillis]

@@KingdomKeyJTanger if used to overcome fear makes you cold like that

[@MrRisk1111]

Bruh why’re so many people coping, it was just bad acting

[@alfredgarcia6844]

@@MrRisk1111It’s called having a different opinion. (I’m not trying to be hostile, I’ll just trying to explain why other people say things like this)

[@MylesKillis]

@@MrRisk1111 ehhhh that would be bad directing. If they wanted him to look visibly angry he’d look angry. It’s not like Pedro can’t pull it off. Take him being the viper for example. Dude can show anger.

[@catenystrom6506]

Pedro Pascal was just incredible in this role, vulnerable, scary, grumpy, funny, so full of grief, yet in the end, showing such love and devotion...he DESERVES that Emmy.

[@diablodxd4700]

nail dickman the writer will kill him next season, NO CAP my dude.

[@OneReallyGrumpyJill]

I always found Joel intimidating not because he was some sadistic fuck or because he was a raging massive of muscles, no, he was always scary because he just doesn't care - there is no pity, no honor, no grieve or glee - killing is just another way of getting the result, and he will do it in the most direct and efficient manner possible.

[@rodrigo_tm]

I imagine that when you have been killing and torturing and watching so many people die for 20 years it reaches a point where you just dont care anymore

[@oklafornia3643]

The phrase you're looking for is "boring efficiency." He put them down with boring efficiency.

[@maxxp__0882]

There is nothing scarier than a person who has nothing to lose.

[@richardshiflett5181]

That's why if he is killed, his killers will be justified.

[@calebdixon784]

Idk I’m more scared of opposite results prove both is better especially ASPD

[@IIBloodXLustII]

And here is where we learn that Ellie wasn't actually given the choice either. They were going to kill a little girl on a chance without giving her any kind of choice at all.

[@malasc12]

It's a bit darker in the game, as the Fireflies had already killed over 20 kids who were immune just like Ellie, but still couldn't find a cure

[@PeripheralVisionary]

@@malasc12 I'll be honest, I actually like this change, since it is darker and more morally ambiguous. Having Joel straight up lie to Ellie after the fact meant he was not prepared to give her a choice either, and the fact that Ellie was the first subject made their case much more viable, if you want to put aside the actual science for the philosophical implications of the trolley problem. Ellie isn't exactly a beacon of altruism, but it is a moral choice that I think in her position we would struggle with. Do we sacrifice ourselves on the offchance a vaccine can be made? Did Joel also had any right to kill every single person responsible, including those who surrendered? Maybe Marlene did not clue them into what they had to do. It reminds me of the ending of Infamous 2. Do we go with the choice where it is certain some people survive even if mean many others will certainly die, or do we a take a chance and risk everyone dying for the possibility of saving everyone else? In the "original game" (Really a presentation at an expo by the voice actors regarding what happened after these events), Ellie pretty quickly figures it out and Joel doesn't really deny it, and they have a talk on their way back, and it is really obvious that their relationship was strained by Joel's actions. They eventually sort of make up.

[@malasc12]

@@PeripheralVisionary Joel also lies to Ellie at the end of the game. The only people to surrender in the game we the 2 nurses are the hospital. Marlene was still trying to get Joel to give Ellie back, and she would've went after them had she been left alive

[@PeripheralVisionary]

@@malasc12 I mean, Joel in the show lied about the Fireflies having past failures if I remembered correctly, trying to justify his actions after the fact. This is a bit darker since it gives Marlene and the Fireflies a bit more credibility than they had in the original game, iirc. The issue I have with the original script in the game is that it seems to leans too heavily in making Joel's choice seem like the more logical option in a way that doesn't really capture the essence of what is essentially THE trolley problem. Also, there were many more people surrending in the television adaptation is what I meant. Joel killed every Firefly he came across here.

[@tobi3532]

@@malasc12there were three nurses

[@mckfrr]

I know some people agree with Marlene. But my thing is, if it does work, how do you know if Marlene will actually give the cure to everyone else outside the fireflies and not just use it as power and leverage over the other groups like Fedra. She could be like, give me this or make me a queen and I’ll give you some of the cure. I don’t think the cure should be held by one group. I think it should be a major effort by all groups coming together discussing how to make it or how to distribute it. It’s too dangerous to give power to one group like that. Look what happened to Kansas City fedra. Henry was right, you torture and kill people for so long, those same people will torture and kill you right back.

[@HelloGudbye93]

Who cares. At least there'd be a cure that exists SOMEWHERE in the world. Even it was a single dose in a single vial. That is literally the hope of all humanity. I don't get how the hypothetical of it becoming a political pawn could ever mean it's not worth creating. And forget the physical vaccine, he killed the KNOWLEDGE of creating a vaccine. Of understanding how the fungus works. Everyone who even knows about the *possibility* of a cure is now dead thanks to him.

[@RealGaIaxy]

If if if

[@lineage254]

I think if we need to kill childs to get a cure then we dont deserve it, also bullets seem to work just fine against the infected, we could slowly clear them out or just let it die out, but if we started killing kids we already lost to the infected, we no longer humans

[@mckfrr]

Just because someone seems genuine doesn’t mean they are. You never know about people. I think Marlene was bad in letting a girl die without even telling her or even knowing it will work. They shouldn’t have jumped the gun and tried to kill their only subject, they should have done research like you would for any vaccine. Vaccines take time for a reason. Doctors want to make sure it works. They should have let Ellie know what was going on. If she didn’t want to do it, she does have the right to refuse. Joel was wrong because he didn’t tell Ellie what happened. I don’t blame Joel for taking out fireflies and Marlene because they were going to kill someone without research or without even knowing if it will work. If it doesn’t work, Ellie is dead and there’s no way to try again.

[@TheAbbeyoftheEveryman]

@IVORISM You mean rest in piss?

[@lseward21]

It was clear that Joel and Ellie thought it was Ellie’s blood that would be used as a cure - not her brain. Plus, it was also clear the people didn’t realize what they were doing - they were just Hoping it would work.

[@tkell31]

Amazing. Granted they got handed an amazing script, but they really nailed it.

[@gisselleperezmoreno1910]

Apparently Marlene’s actor in the show is the same voice actor in the game

[@cedricexquisite1999]

@@gisselleperezmoreno1910they kept some of them

[@SK23.]

​@Gisselle Perez Moreno It's not that hard to see the resemblance

[@turtlemasteralpha119]

@@gisselleperezmoreno1910 Ellies late mother is also the voice actor for Ellie in the game.

[@DedricSilva]

@@gisselleperezmoreno1910 I guess you can say in her eyes behind the scenes "Well, here we go again!"

[@DeadShot1307]

Quick note; The music playing here where Joel lies to Ellie, and makes the decision to leave with her- its the EXACT track that plays in Part 2 after that infamous scene. The subtle connection already begins as Joel seals his fate.

[@Whatacomedian_]

Good ear.

[@paperhat_boi]

Oh boy...

[@thefightingfadoraguy6732]

3:38 "You pull that trigger you'll never-"

[@devinthierault]

Damnit Larry quit pointing that gun at my dad!

[@M_Alistair]

He made up his mind 10 minutes ago

[@breakingdead9714]

"PUT HIM DOWNNN!"

[@ArmyJames]

Hard core, man.

[@SunlightGwyn]

Breaking Bad reference? Followed by a Reservoir Dogs reference in the first reply??

[@strpe9701]

The most disturbing bit is that she’s not immune. You can’t be “immune” to fungal infection. She infected with a benign strain. They deadass could have just taken a sample from her veins and infected another person with said strain like with the zombie one. Dissection was complete overkill

[@michaelshigetani433]

that's what I thought! a fungus isn't a virus. There are so many differences.

[@kingndanorth]

"Deadass"? What are you, like 15?

[@strpe9701]

@@kingndanorth ah actually I’m 11 so shut the #### up

[@contentco0l516]

@@kingndanorthwhy are you mad

[@dontcare7086]

@@PalaGov she gave her infected blood to that kid but he was already infected

[@TaeringYT]

3:36 this is the moment joel became walt

[@Kevin_Kennelly]

That final scene "You'd just come after her." That is called "moral certainty".

[@GUSX4NMAN]

I can see what they were going for with Joel being almost possessnt with rage and anger to the point were his fight or flight mode kicked in and he choose fight . I like this version but I prefer the games version because in that one Joel sounds devastated and borderline crying when he says the line "you'd just come after her" like he knows what he's doing is bad but can't stop because he wants another chance at being a dad so badly that he'll go to extreme measures to get it.

[@larnifer]

The other thing in the game version that is missing here (unless this vid is edited), is when it cuts to the car at first you only see Joel. So it looks like he has left her. Then after a few seconds you realise Ellie is in the back, and THEN you see the confrontation with Marlene. They did it well, but they really should have left that pause in. In the game its a moment of huge doubt and the emotional payoff when you see Ellie is huge.

[@tinachristeen1306]

“You’d just come after her.”

[@manasgrover112]

Love the change no step-forward no cold blooded delivery just a reasoning and a stable arm movement adding to the human-ness of this scene

[@olasam6973]

"The happiness of the whole world is not worth one tear on the cheek of an innocent child." - Fyodor Dostoevsky

[@o-z7407]

Crime and punishment?

[@rjsmind]

its the best kind of ending. The kind that makes you feel many different and possibly opposite things and escpacially makes you think Masterpiece

[@KhepriProductions2022]

Merle really died as Marlene 3 times now! 1 in the original game 2 during the one night live 3 This one

[@forsakenfaithfallenfrey6914]

One night live performance was iconic

[@pericleslegendario7022]

I love how they adapted this, kinda like the boys, loyal to the comics but doing things different that could’ve done better.

[@SnagTheRabbit]

My dad watched this show and when we talked about the ending, he told me "if it was you instead of Ellie, I'd do the exact same thing." From a dad's point of view, you really root for Joel here.

[@3rd-Wave_Rebel]

Such a poetic ending! Before begging her friend Marlene to kill her; Anna, the birth mother of Ellie instructed Marlene with her own life that her best friend will take good care of her baby girl without any harm or a single scratch. And now, Marlene broke her promise, instead of protecting her. She listened to the doctor that Ellie should be dissected to get a sample from her brain to develop a cure! How would Anna feel if she knew the person she friended with all her life, betrayed her. Justice is served when a complete unknown protector named Joel to Anna, killed Marlene for trying to kill Ellie! What a masterful writing to end a series! Vengeance comes in full circle!⭕️

[@SKBY]

All that yapping

[@sitaro1207]

"I'm 14 and this is deep" ahh

[@Xaptlas]

I feel like if Joel just said “they were about to do surgery on you, but raiders attacked the hospital. I had no choice but to get you out. The doctors were killed.” Then maybe Ellie wouldn’t have found out.

[@ryancitrin5219]

This show added almost every piece of dialogue from the game and Im so happy it did. Bravo HBO 👏

[@TheMenInTightsPodcast]

It certainly helped having the writer/director of the game as producer of the show

[@Darsilian]

The plot of The Last Of Us is what turned an emotional game into game of the year. The plot also earned a television show. The plot, in all its glory, boils down to one morally polarizing question. And that question is different for each and all of us. Because only we, ourselves, have our version of "Elle" in our lives. We all have that one person who might be more important to us than everybody else on the planet. If you're lost in the dark, look for the light.

[@davidickes4621]

As a father, its not my job to save the world. Its my job to protect my children. Even if the rest of the world goes to hell. I do the same thing Joel did.

[@anabelle3573]

I finally just watched this series. it's a bomb! the relational evolution between joel and ellie is finely done. the mutual attachment that is built between them is reinforced with each ordeal they encounter. very endearing characters. I do not know the video game but I became addicted to this series.

[@N._99]

..say.. say da bomb next time.

[@tempus_fugit7366]

Joel is a cold machine! His only connection to anything resembling humanity is his bond with Ellie.

[@thestrong96]

I mean it was just mercy killing to kill Marlene at that point, she couldn't even stand up anymore she was mortally wounded and bleeding out so where exactly she was planning to "go" if Joel let her? She would have just had a slower and a lot more painful death.

[@Adsper2000]

The nurses were still alive.

[@eagle_klaw_]

@@Adsper2000 nurses aren't gods. they can only do so much. There are slim chances that even the most skilled surgeon in a pre-pandemic world could have saved her at that point with where she was shot and how serious the wound was

[@gianlalwet647]

​​@@Adsper2000 Nurses aren't doctors; sure they can probably help in some fields like stitching up wounds, but the field of nursing is an entirely different course. There's a reason that the school of nursing takes less time to finish in terms of completing the basics and then moving on to a mastery than compared to a doctor who takes a few more years in comparison. In addition, the conditions of the room look so unsanitary, Marlene would probably die from infection if the blood loss doesn't kill her

[@Adsper2000]

@@gianlalwet647 Go back a few episodes before this to when Joel got impaled straight through the stomach and got nursed back to health by someone with absolutely zero medical experience and tell me Marlene wouldn’t have survived that.

[@Aryan-qv5qk]

@@Adsper2000 getting shot vs getting stabbed Massive difference bud

[@gabrieletartarini5429]

0:50 the music 💔After that moment

[@deathbykonami5487]

I hope they keep Bella Ramsey as Ellie in Season 2, she really owned that role just as well as Ashley has.

[@idiotidiot5821]

I loved that they made Ashley play Ellie's mother

[@Corey414]

Why would they change it 💀

[@Silly_AM]

@@Corey414 because she Is 5 years older

[@TalaR04]

Season two?! Why a season two?! I thought we all already agreed that last of us 2 was trash. I dont want to see Joel die AGAIN

[@deathbykonami5487]

@@bronzexv7025 and Ellie's 18 in Part 2, so it's not that much of a stretch.

[@angel92655]

I don’t care what Neil says.. I refuse to believe that doctor could actually find a cure for

[@shapesnatch1341]

Joel was absolutely in the right and you'll never convince me otherwise

[@willarrington3410]

Im so glad they added that extra line about the raiders. Never made any sense why Ellie didnt question why they left with her in a hospital gown and Joel gave no update on Marlene or anything in the game. Makes so much more sense here

[@Drachenherz806]

I had always thought that either A: Ellie knew Joel was full of shit and knew he was lying and was too drugged up to question him. B: trusted Joel enough that she trusted he was telling the truth, still under the influence of the drugs the Fireflies used to put her under for the operation. Or C: too tired to even prod further given everything she’d been through. She’s lost so much already that at the time, even if Joel was lying it wouldn’t have mattered because she’d bonded to him enough to accept whatever he did. Always kinda figured it was the first one.

[@NoName-hg6cc]

She never fully believed him

[@jessblues848]

when i played the game it seemed like she he was lying

[@canalfamilia06]

Well, she and the fireflies deserved it; She promised they would pay Joel with everything he Wanted if he took Ellie safe to the West and he did it, but they just kicked him from The hospital,-,

[@alexhooijschuur5131]

Honestly good point. Tess also died helping getting her there. Joel was basically used and abused, as was Ellie. I get the massive stakes at hand but it’s not like neurosurgery is impossible. Difficult, yes, especially in an apocalypse, but if they had just a bit more tact to at least exhaust all available methods to try and extract a cure without killing her, and giving Ellie and Joel time to process the situation, this wouldn’t have had to happen. Instead they rush the entire process. Marlene just played this situation extremely poorly. Hindsight 20/20 of course; for all she knew Joel was just a cutthroat mercenary and smuggler.

[@malasc12]

Also in the game, the Fireflies had already killed over 20 immune kids at that point, and still found no cure

[@outdoorscholar6016]

@@malasc12 I’m glad that HBO removed that, making Ellie truly one-of-a-kind unless they add the detail back in

[@malasc12]

@@outdoorscholar6016 it was small detail in the game. In the room right before surgery is Marlene's final record about the other immunes

[@GigaChadh976]

Also, if they were so sure ellie would want to go through with the surgery, why didn’t they ask her

[@salazarxiii9125]

One of the best double-tap in cinematic history (y)

[@tonyleidyiii1652]

Joel should have never died

[@ds2561]

Interesting detail is that when joel shot her in the stomach, it's in the same place where she got shot back in ep 1

[@SergioMendoza760]

One thing that’s never specified on (and I actually love this detail in both iterations of the first games story, and hate about the second game because Joel later does admit to Ellie he would’ve changed his decision if he could) but I love how it’s never explained HOW the fireflies would actually cure or create a vaccine for the infected. And even if they did get the cure from Ellie’s brain, who would they have given it to? Because we can guarantee it wouldn’t be anyone who worked for fedra whether those are other humans or not, the fireflies are still in a war and like what we saw in Kansas City I’m sure the fireflies would’ve been similarly brutal. And who’s to say they would’ve been able to mass produce it 20 years into the apocalypse? When you consider the situation from that perspective Joel’s decision making here is very sound, he absolutely SAVED Ellie’s life from a bunch of people grasping at an idea that they couldn’t have ever brought to reality.

[@Ballsniffa3000]

I’m pretty sure what Joel meant by do it all over again is that he wouldn’t change his decision at it’s how I read the line.

[@SergioMendoza760]

@@Ballsniffa3000 I could see that, I understood it as him trying to validate Ellie for feeling like it was basically her destiny to die and save the world and Joel robbed her of that. Which is kinda a fair point but they both had no reason to believe the fireflies would’ve been successful.

[@Bdjkxmxn]

Joel never said he would’ve changed his decision

[@noahp67890]

this is completely wrong and it has been stated multiple, multiple, multiple times by the actors, the game developers, and the literal creator of the story that this take is nonsense. it was either save ellie, or save the world. nothing in the game, the show, or any other media indicates that it wasn’t completely within reason for them to both synthesize and distribute a cure. or that the fireflies were a bunch of hack scientists getting high on hope and killing children indiscriminately. what makes the story so compelling is that *joel made the wrong decision.* but that it’s simultaneously the exact same decision every parent would make if it was their own child in that situation. or at least, their first instinct. whether they could overcome that instinct for the betterment of the world depends on the specific person. and joel was not one of those people.

[@CandleWisp]

​@@noahp67890 This. It was clearly intended to be a trolley problem.

[@grayghost7216]

Marlene is so desperate to live and preserve her own life but she thought nothing of killing Ellie.

[@deldude1412]

And the fanbase calls Joel selfish 😂

[@CandleWisp]

It's not so black and white, man. They all had their reasons.

[@JohnWall-lj1mx]

@@deldude1412it’s so funny they constantly say that Joel is evil for taking away Ellie’s choice while glossing over the fireflies who did the same exact thing (even worse since they literally drugged and planned to murder her without her consent beforehand)

[@titularhero]

She clealry thought quite a mot about it but realised it was whats best for the world

[@SketchySkullKnight]

Ellie is a child who can't consent to such a serious decision and this is what any father would do. The fact that Neil thinks Joel is the villain is hilariously misguided

[@Aryan-qv5qk]

Who’s Neil?

[@Mondoness]

@@Aryan-qv5qk Neil "the cuck man" Druckmann

[@GigaChadh976]

“Let’s give her a choice.” Good on Joel for not falling for that horseshit. If she had any intention of giving Ellie and a choice she wouldn’t have put her under for surgery

[@Socal44]

Like she said, Ellie would've sacrificed herself bc she knew Ellie was a good person deep down. She just avoided telling her she was gonna die so she wasn't gonna deal with all that emotional pain of saying goodbye and facing her death.

[@GigaChadh976]

@@Socal44 if she knew, then why didn’t she ask Ellie what she wanted to do? That’s right, she didn’t know. Ellie constantly talked about the things she wanted to do after this. So she had no idea they were going to kill her. Marlene is a bad person and robbed Ellie of her autonomy, where as Joel was comitted to it.

[@bendavidson1210]

@@GigaChadh976I mean i suppose so but if Joel really wanted her to make the choice he could have made them wake her up and then decide on her own, or at least tried to. I think the game did a good job of establishing the fact that this was more about him and his trauma over losing a daughter than it was about her and her autonomy. We’ll see more next season I wouldn’t expect that to change in the show because it’s a big part of his character arc

[@spider-man500]

​@@bendavidson1210the fuck? Dude, they REFUSED to Wake her up. They were not gonna listen to him, not show any mercy.

[@raven_in_disguise1649]

Bruh I think you missed the part where they brutally beat him down and said to him if he tries anything they will kill him and then escorted him drastically put of the room. What are you talking about? Trying to convince lol they didnt even give him a chance to talk more than 20 seconds and he even said "please, you dont understand" that WAS him trying but Marlene the lunatic said she "understands" which the f*k she doesn't at all, she only cares about herself and power

[@BuBs1970G]

And, the whole "cure" idea wasn't going to work anyways. So, Ellie's death would've been pointless.

[@movieguy992]

Marlenes the smartest firefly I know...but shes too stupid to realize...Joel made up his mind 10 minutes ago.

[@johnkeviljr9625]

Loved the giraffes in earlier episode. Wish they would explore possible adapted encroaching wildlife a bit more. With the population reduction for so long, the animals should have flourished. Great series!

[@darklordvader66]

Do the fugus affect animals?

[@johnkeviljr9625]

@@darklordvader66 It's best if it didn't, I think. The giraffes seemed to be OK!

[@DagothDaddy]

Joel did nothing wrong.

[@uzumakicata]

He did

[@Mondoness]

@@uzumakicata nah

[@uzumakicata]

@@Mondoness killed so many people, did nothing wrong? I bet you love Grifith

[@Superman_305]

I just love the fact that neil druckmann got the the last of us o.g's from the game to appear in the show from Merle Dandridge her in this scene, to Troy Baker as David's henchmen james, to the talented Ashley Johnson as ellie's mother. Kudos to neil druckmann for putting that reunion together 👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@Kor3Gaming_Ghost]

For the people who don't wanna see season 2 when joel' die gather here

[@brendonsmith3080]

10 years after the game and the show has helped reignite the debate as to whether Joel did the right thing or not. I believe he did what he believed was right for him and Ellie. Even if Ellie would’ve consented to the surgery that would’ve killed her, the chance at a vaccine or a cure would’ve been a gamble. Ellie is immune and yet the Infected still want to kill her so what would a vaccine help accomplish? Not only that, after every threat Joel and Ellie had encountered, a vaccine wouldn’t have fixed the world they’re in now. Joel did what he had to do

[@Sabbalab92]

I haven't seen the show, but I've played the game a bunch. I must say that they did a great job. I like how Joel elaborated more on the lie. It makes sense that Ellie would ask why she was drugged and where her clothes are. My only complaint is that they showed Ellie in the car too soon. In the game, it's focused on Joel for a bit to make you think "Did..... Did Marlene convince her? Is she..... OH! No, there she is." But that's nitpicky. They did damn good.

[@conteudoanimalz4515]

They also did this here in the series. It's just that this video didn't show it for some reason.

[@bobbyricigliano2799]

And thus the 1,000 year alliance was forged between Dorne and Bear Island.

[@amandahallman1091]

“They do not hurt little girls in Dorne.” Oberyn said, calmly. 🐍

[@jmn194]

In Joel’s defence, a cure wouldn’t do much for humanity. It’s already been too long for things to truly get better.

[@panpeter6882]

Ellie KNOWS that Joel done something wrong she didn't know exactly what is it

[@ArthurMorgan0543]

The truth is that cure was never gonna work

[@seeonaga1524]

Joel was in the right. I would 100% do the same thing he did. I'm saving my daughter.

[@ChrisPierce-y1r]

He made the right choice

[@brandensalinas6681]

"You just come after her" delivery was a bit lazy. The game version was more serious

[@rooster6461]

Pedro did such a good job as joel, especially this last episode and the cold indifference he goes through the fireflies with.

[@makoman67]

Agreed, he was absolutely ruthless. I have a new respect for Pascal after watching this series twice.

[@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human]

I love the way that Neil and Craig described this. The Last of Us is a love story. It explores how love can heal you, and save you, but also how it can make you scared and motivate you to do the most awful things.

[@c4sper4]

The fireflies were just so damned incompetent

[@EmmetGillespie-b7r]

"If somehow the lord gave me a second chance at that moment I would do it all over again "

[@josephhoffman8483]

Joel did and didn't lie to Ellie. The fireflies attempt a cure on others and noth came of it. So did he really lie.

[@_l3m35_]

"Fuck those Fireflies" - Robert (in a scene that sadly they didn't convert to the show). The guy was right.

[@Moe_GC94]

I hope they fix the one glaring error from part 2 here. Tell Ellie that the Doctor Abby's father never had a clue what he was doing. That all the previous attempts failed. That they merely wanted to dissect Ellie for the 'chance' that this time they could make something usable. That Abby would absolutely feel conflicted about that and what her father did was inhuman. That there are always 2 sides of a story. They intended to tell that story but f'd up and it came across like 'Ellie is wrong, Abby is right' which it never should have felt like. Because the whole point was both girls finding out the people they were fighting weren't unjustified monsters. That revenge never was the answer to any of this...

[@austinboylan5476]

1:53 That’s good editing, timing his pause with the gunshot

[@4Syorha]

"If you understand what it's like to have a daughter.... then how can you threaten to kill someone else's?" -Herschel *Because they aren't mine.* -Governor

[@Skywordstrike]

Sometimes the right choice isn’t the correct choice

[@joewhitehead3]

I think that’s true, yeah

[@kanishqdwivedi9170]

Especially the "right" one made by Fireflies.

[@Helljumper425]

Conveniently leaving out the "That's if she hasn't been raped first" line for some reason. Don't know why HBO would pull that punch now.

[@Aryan-qv5qk]

What?

[@lilygoatdemon]

Such a flawless story of one man learning to love again after a terrible loss, but in a way that dooms humanity...but damn if you don't understand why he did it.

[@MasterpieceScene]

if the sound is too small, turn on the subtitle

[@imagindraco7971]

The fact that Ellie is the only subject who is immune to the virus. They could destroy the one and only hope without any single hesitation.

[@No-wq4gg]

Ur such a life saver

[@kriest3470]

Never forget, this wouldnt have happened if they just waited for both ellie and joel to wake up and tell them both personally. But instead they operated without consent on a minor. So moral choices or 'right choices' their decision making was crap from the start

[@DyanBermeo]

Joel made the right choice.

[@Ink.johnny]

I love how the hospital drywall was stopping rifle bullets.

[@kimberlym-w9926]

Can’t wait to see the new season!! 🎉❤️

[@thepax2621]

Sorry long rant incoming: This whole situation did not make sense to me anyway, its certainly dramatic, emotional and well played by the actors, but senseless when you think about it for a second: 1. If you're so sure Ellie would approve, then why not ask her, prior to drugging her and putting her on the table? Was it a lie Marlene? False confidence? 2. Joel is obviously a dangerous and experienced fighter/survivor. Why go out of your way, in an already tense and emotional situation, to be d*cks towards him, poke him and make it worse? 3. Why break your word? You promised him compensation, where is it? Sure it would probadly feel like blood money and Joel wouldn't take it, but a deal is a deal. Compensation was promised and should at least be offered. If word gets out that the FF's don't stick to their word, your just asking for further trouble 3. Why jump immidietly to "lets cut her brain"? Take samples first, run tests, rule out other possibilities... She's the only immune person you're aware of, too valuable to be recklessly killed on the operation table. There is no back up. If something goes wrong, anything at all... There goes your chance for a "cure" 4. Is it even possible? Its a fungus, not a virus or bacteria. What would a "cure" even look like? An internal fungicide or something? 5. Lets assume you get the cure by scooping Ellie's brain like an ice cream vendor... How do you plan to produce it? Where are the labs, the personal and industrie necessary? 6. How do you plan to distribute it? Logistics are practically gone. No freight forwarding, no postel service, UPS, mostly not even roads... How are people supposed to get their cure? Walking? A scattered population of survivors? Are they supposed to come to the FF's or are the FF's planning on making countless trips? Both are highly dangerous. Crossing the country *once* was very expensive in manpower... There are so many holes in this 🙈... I can't make sense of it 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Joshua0810]

I feel so sorry for Merle Dandridge. Every time she goes into a parking garage as Marlene she gets shot 😂

[@phero2]

Sound design is in a small room but visually it's in a huge parking garage

[@ben_cross21]

There’s different sides to this. Joel was sorta selfish for this as he chose to spare one life over so many potential others, due to the connection and feeling of a new daughter he made with Ellie. He also lied to Ellie which isn’t fair bc what if Ellie wanted to go through with it? However, marlene and the fire flies also lied in the fact that they did not tell Ellie what she was getting into and that the surgery would kill her, which also isn’t fair to Ellie. Also who knows if fire flies would only use it for themselves plus who knows if the cure would work in general. I think Ellie and Joel should go back to Tommy’s civilization and stay there

[@ben_cross21]

Would also like to add, at this point in time does the world really need a cure? Seems like those who are surviving have created their own civilized communities or have already figured out a way of moving throughout life with the infected.

[@MrSuperawesome5000]

That's the bigger overarching theme in TLOU. No one is the "good guy". There's no "right" choice. There's only actions and consequences and if you don't commit to your actions someone else willing to commit to theirs will make those choices for you. Typically, at your peril.

[@GigaChadh976]

No Joel is not the selfish one.😊

[@CrazyRabbit-ju1we]

Damn, I never thought they could recreate this scene so faithfully. Congratulations to everyone, from the director to Cameran to the actors, I think it's one of the works that comes closest to perfection.

[@bravocharliedelta4]

The world took everything from Joel, so its only fair for him to take everything from the world.

[@sbhopper8511]

Think about something new every time I watch this scene. Marlene made a huge tactical error in confronting Joel. She knows him, knows how he makes decisions. And even though he's not using Ellie as a shield, she's still a shield. If Marlene believes she's the key to a cure, she's not taking that shot. I'm guessing a few others survived. Live to fight another day...she's got to find a new doctor anyways.

[@Davx_87]

Perfect role

[@drifterxexe]

she could not save his daughter but this time he can save ellie

[@sharonkaysnowton]

Joel thinks of Ellie as his daughter, so of course he was going to save her from Marlene.

[@henrylant7049]

Joel was a soldier. Soldiers kill the enemy, but when the enemy is unrelenting, you cannot take prisoners. I do not think Joel is as ruthless as people are making him out to be. He was doing what he needed to do to survive. That is what a soldier does. Protecting his "unit" (AKA Ellie) was the goal here. The fireflies had ill intent from the start, they did it to themselves. He showed mercy to the non combatants, he showed none to those actively attacking him. Everyone is making him out to be a bad person, and that might have some credibility to it. In this case, he is not a bad guy here, he is taking out the bad guys.

[@geronimozarza8495]

With all due respect, I think that they should have looked for different angles of recording some scenes. Most of the series is just copying the angles of the game's camera.

[@hopemcdaniel4903]

He is completely in the right. Saving his now daughter is top priority for him and it shows both of the characters’ progression in their relationships. I feel that was the main point of the show in the first place

[@faisalazizi836]

This scene is so much badass in the game

[@archaeologyfornon-archaeol1014]

It did not need to be just as "badass"... he played it the way a real human would, detached, cold, efficient.

[@scottmiller8617]

Put the game away and work on your English. Your sentence makes no sense.

[@titularhero]

It's certainly more dramatic and chilling in the game but badass implies cool whereas really it's chilling

[@SeyhawksNow]

"She lives in a broken world that you could have saved." I'm sorry, what part of this story even suggests that that is even possible? Even if they could harvest a cure from Ellie, which they couldn't, the world has spent 20 years in hell. Its not that the world isnt worth saving. Its that it's impossible to go back to the way it was before. Its a band aid over a broken bone.

[@513Anonimka]

She even says this "how long till she's torn apart by infected" like it's supposed to justify Fireflies killing people for the cure, but what Marlene says here actually confirms that not even an immune person can be saved from being massacred by the clickers. Why else would Ellie need a constant protection from them if her immunity/cure really saves from everything? And how it's supposed to save the world, if all of those people will need protection anyway? 👍😆

[@omarmaestre4625]

Pensé que estaba viendo un episodio de NARCOS 😂

[@matsrepstadhaverstad1052]

The final episode felt rushed, I was hoping it would have been longer. Maybe they had to stick to a specific budget.