Johann Baptist Cramer - Piano Concerto No.8 in D-minor, Op.70 (1825)

[@НадеждаРачковская-т6щ]

Дуже ціную можливість прослухати ці давно забуті твори. Але вони уявляють інтерес. Красива музика минулої епохи. Дякую виконавцям! Бажаю, щоб її виконували в концертах!

[@joselopes2293]

This concerto begins with a Moderato Assai and interspersed with great musical vivacity with others of great subtlety and romanticism. The second movement is notable for its periods of deep musical feeling to which we cannot remain indifferent. End concert with a vigorous Rondo full of liveliness. All of Cramer’s concerts are true masterpieces that lie between a lighter romanticism and a less formal classical style, it is in this environment that this fantastic and amazing composer places his magnificent and original work that gives us so much pleasure to listen to. His works are of a beauty, graceful elegance that touches us musically in our emotions. The pianist is superb in the sensibility with which he interprets the piece and the cadence he prints. The orchestra and its direction are remarkable and fantastic. Thanks for this magnificent recording.

[@vivianevonscharnhorst8878]

So ein Geschwätz ...

[@gabriellegetting7088]

KuhlauDilfeng2, Thank you for this. My awareness of Johann Baptist Cramer came from my love for Beethoven and his respect for and familiarity with this wonderful composer, pianist, instrument maker, publisher, etc. Today is his birthday. Happy birthday, Mr. Cramer! You were definitely the Art Tatum of the Classicism to Romanticism transitional period!

[@Amourtendresse]

Magnifique, une grande richesse dans la composition pour le piano et quelle performance pour le pianiste ! 👏🎶❤️🎶✨

[@leestamm3187]

Another well constructed bridge between the classical and romantic eras. Delightful.

[@pmmdrt]

Your knowlegde of unknown composers is unlimited. I enjoy it daily and keep curious about every upload.

[@raulespejo2587]

Cramer is not really unknown, I would rather say unperformed

[@h5g43579]

I THINK THE SAME, HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THESE APPRECIATED WORKS HAVE NOT BEEN SPREAD!

[@michelealba744]

Un grand merci à celle ou celui qui a mis en ligne cette belle oeuvre d'un compositeur hélas peu connu de nos jours ! Il mérite vraiment d'être redécouvert , même si d'autres l'ont ( sans doute ...?) surpassé . Sa composition est très mélodieuse . Un grand bravo aux musiciens de cet orchestre !

[@fredericchopin7538]

Splendid!

[@GeertVercruysse]

'These amiable works cry out for the most scintillating pianism. Which is just what they get from Howard Shelley who throws off cascades of octaves and double thirds with glittering panache, and brings real vocal eloquence to the lyrical melodies. ' The Telegraph

[@michaelfitzgerald1865]

Thank you for bringing my attention to quite a few lovely pieces by composers unknown to me. Don't know how you found all these, but I'm very glad you did.

[@GeertVercruysse]

Love the Rondo..so full of joy!

[@MrGer2295]

Beautiful performance ! Thank you so much :)

[@FuranoMusic]

Cramer was such a fine composer. Even his most technical etudes, say, the “Repetition etude“, are splendidly musical.

[@juanvelez8564]

Thanks for uploading this and so many other interesting works. I really enjoyed the program notes! I learned a lot! I should say the same thing about a number of the comments, too....

[@marcalexandrefontenay9801]

Le concerto no 8 de Cramer quitte progressivement l’emprise de Mozart pour évoluer vers le romantisme. Saisissante et émouvante l’interprétation de Howard Shelley et MLP infatigable explorateur des concerti oubliés !

[@michelealba744]

On ne peut en effet que remercier tous ces musiciens talentueux de nous faire découvrir toutes ces belles oeuvres hélas tombées dans l'oubli ! Ce concerto ne manque vraiment pas de charme !

[@MsrAlaindeFerrier]

Thank you for uploading this tremendous concerto, I have never heard of the composer I'm almost ashamed to admit. I hear Schumann and Mendelssohn in this work. So delighted to be introduced to someone new to my ears and can honestly say that there isn't a passage in the whole concerto that has either jarred nor irritated me, so it's right up there with my beloved fraternity of masters.

[@adriatorras8077]

Also Chopin, Kalkbrenner said when listened to Chopin play: "He plays like Cramer with the touch of Field."

[@Ehedquist]

Third movement is memorable.

[@Warmsunset26]

Was initially drawn to this via THE PAINTING. LOVE IT.

[@marcalexandrefontenay9801]

Merveilleuse œuvre entre Mozart et Beethoven qui annonce le romantisme magnifiquement restituée par H Shelley et ses MLP .

[@michelealba744]

Shelley, un très grand pianiste ! Et le " London Mozart Players " , un ensemble d'excellents musiciens! Un immense bravo à eux !( pianiste + musiciens ) Cette formation risque de disparaître, à ma connaissance, en raison d'un manque de moyens financiers !! Lamentable, quand on sait qu'on trouve des sommes folles pour payer les joueurs de foot professionnels ou de prétendus " artistes " , qui ne font que " brailler dans un micro , sans le moindre talent " ( sic !) ou " susurrer quelques pauvres notes sur des paroles qui manquent d'inspiration " ( re sic !) . Eh oui, tel est le monde actuel ... , à mon humble avis !! Ce compositeur n'a vraiment pas mérité de tomber dans l'oubli !!!!!!!

[@agamaz5650]

very nice

[@Warmsunset26]

Am amazed at how anyone... can know what piece is what and even by whom. My ear is --> if it sounds good, i listen to it. Thank you. Have just downloaded this iTunes . 👍🏼👍🏼

[@deliansociety]

One of the most interesting concertos of the period, with numerous imaginative departures from earlier Viennese Neoclassical models. The orchestral treatment is also more extensive and colorful and balances out nicely with the solo part.

[@Santosificationable]

I think it sounds a tad English, too, whatever that might mean.

[@nastiamation]

so sweet

[@_PROCLUS]

Johann Baptist Cramer 1771 - 1858 English pianist and composer of German origin. ... he studied piano under Muzio Clementi ...was particularly appreciated by Beethoven when he visited Vienna, concertized and competed with him. Both were considered the greatest pianists of their time ... WIKI

[@richcramer3750]

This is lovely to here He is my great x6 grandfather

[@aluisaac]

Oh wow, u must be proud of your incredible dinasty, all true musicians make better the world, and help a lot to make people happy

[@dariocugia1938]

Cramer was born only 14 years after Mozart

[@Santosificationable]

Stern 1st movement. Reminds me a little of Mozart's 20th.

[@MsVerlinden]

Concerto pour piano nº 1, op. 10 (1795) Concerto pour piano nº 2, op. 16 (1797) Concerto pour piano nº 3, op. 26 (1802) Concerto pour piano nº 4, op. 38 (1807) Concerto pour piano nº 5, op. 48 (1813) Concerto pour piano nº 6, op. 51 (1815) Concerto pour piano nº 7, op. 56 (1817) Concerto pour piano nº 8, op. 70 (1825) voila cse compositions mais on ne trouve que la 2 -5-7-8, pourquoi dites nous ,merci

[@josefhaslbeck893]

The final cut

[@sircurich.curich3532]

Danke schon

[@emma-th6mx]

my great great great great great uncle the cramer family were originated from the mannhein orchestra germany there is also wilhem and francois who were noted musicians and seved at musicians under george the iv and queen victoria

[@davidcramer4282]

Hi, I'm David Cramer, and JB was my great great great great uncle also! So we are possibly related.

[@darrylschultz9311]

@@davidcramer4282 My great great uncle is still living! In fact he's only 1 generation before me-he's my mother's brother and he's only 20 years older than me!(Those 2 "greats" is just coz he's a top bloke!).

[@adriatorras8077]

Amazing! You are family of the composer?!?!? Someone plays or compose?

[@nadakamel6963]

please i need the sheet .. if u can help me to find it

[@adriatorras8077]

Nada Kamel Sorry, i don t know! Someone knows? HELP PLEASE!

[@stefanstamenic3640]

@ Brian Knapp Tommaso Traetta - Sofonisba (1761.) one of the best operas I've ever been listening to (baroque and classicism and romanticism). Ps. there is no Mozart style. It's a style: Stamic, Ditersdorf,, Vanhal, Jozef Hajdn, particularly: Andrea Luchesi Piano Concerto in F major 1771. (Luchesi plus Viotti leads to Beethoven-Cramer - music brothers twins ). Amadeus also borrowed from the: Hermann Friedrich Raupach, Johann Gottfried Eckard, Johann Schobert, Leontzi Honauer.

[@shin-i-chikozima]

Incomparably greater

[@brianknapp8645]

After listening to Cramer's piano concertos numbers 2,5,7, and 8,it appears to me that all of them except the 8th are quite Mozartian in style. Number 5 is very enjoyable with its minor key that reminds me of Mozart's minor key concertos. In the 8th concerto Cramer really starts to innovate and go beyond Mozart. As a whole enjoyable concertos but not as thematically gifted as Hummel or Weber at the time.

[@dieentschlossene4864]

I agree, though I'd hesitate to mention one-hit-wonder-Weber in the same sentence as the ingenious JN Hummel!

[@thecrazycello9124]

"one-hit-wonder" only due to the weakness of librettos in the non-hits! Some of the finest music ever penned in the Early-Romantic period lies trapped in Euryanthe and Oberon. I would argue that Weber is the first "true" Romantic, in that his music recognises the failure of human intellect to control reality and seeks a withdrawal into imagination and fantasy to create new worlds (in a way, a complete antithesis to the humanist Beethoven) and does so to such an effective degree that the sound-world he creates orchestrally becomes far more influential throughout the 19th Century than the esteemed Hr. Hummel ;)

[@NisseOhlsen]

To me, this (No. 8) is very Mozartian indeed. It seems the pianoforte must have made great technical advancements right after Mozarts death, hence the heavier accentuations made possible. But in essence, this is accomplished, but non-inspired Mozart-esque music. This shows that one can uphold the forms and sounds of Mozart, but without Mozarts ability to penetrate the fabric of the universe, no glimpse of the divine shall appear.

[@stefanstamenic3640]

@ Brian Knapp Tommaso Traetta - Sofonisba (1761.) one of the best operas I've ever been listening to (baroque and classicism and romanticism). Ps. there is no Mozart style. It's a style: Stamic, Ditersdorf,, Vanhal, Jozef Hajdn, particularly: Andrea Luchesi Piano Concerto in F major 1771. (Luchesi plus Viotti leads to Beethoven-Cramer - music brothers twins ).

[@moriscengic]

Hummel is boring.. Endless scales. This is much more exciting and diferent

[@h5g43579]

😃😃😲

[@safasaleh3010]

13:05

[@MegaCirse]

La musique de ce compositeur sensible et torturé vous permet d'errer dans vos pensées, vos rêves, vos cauchemars et les joies du passé. Vous êtes capable de comprendre le sens de votre vécu et ce que votre avenir peut advenir car lorsque l'avenir est sans espoir, le présent prend une amertume ignoble !

[@lodyneervoort]

👍👍👍👍💋💋💋💋🤗🤗🤗🤗

[@atomicbong7597]

This dude weaponized a piano. :)

[@sandradupre521]

"Nor as thematically 'gifted' as Weber..."? That's hilarious, Knapp.