The Current 15 Greenback Clones and Reissues Compared to an Original!

Episode #1253: I'm comparing all the Greenback clones and reissues available on the market today to a 1968 Original! I'm also including two original G12-65 speakers!
I'm still waiting for the delivery and production of:
2022 Hellatone 25 Ceramic
2022 Fane Ascension F25
I will include them in a video ASAP
Section1:
Riff1
1968 Celestion G12M25 04:08
2022 Mojotone British Vintage 04:33
2022 Weber Ceramic Legacy 04:54
2022 Scumback M75 05:16
2022 Scumback M75-PVC 05:41
2022 Celestion G12M25 06:07
2015 Celestion G12M25 06:25
2022 Celestion G12M EVH 06:46
2022 Warehouse Green Beret 07:07
2022 Jensen Mod 12-50 07:23
2022 Eminence Red Coat Private Jack 07:42
2022 Eminence Legend GB128 07:57
2017 Eminence Supro BD12 08:17
1979 Celestion G12-65 08:34
1982 Celestion G12-65 08:50
Riff2
1968 Celestion G12M25 09:09
2022 Mojotone British Vintage 09:19
2022 Weber Ceramic Legacy 09:35
2022 Scumback M75 09:51
2022 Scumback M75-PVC 10:05
2022 Celestion G12M25 10:21
2015 Celestion G12M25 75Hz 10:36
2022 Celestion G12M EVH 10:50
2022 Warehouse Green Beret 11:21
2022 Jensen Mod 12-50 11:06
2022 Eminence Red Coat Private Jack 11:37
2022 Eminence Legend GB128 11:53
2017 Eminence Supro BD12 12:08
1979 Celestion G12-65 12:23
1982 Celestion G12-65 12:38
Riff3
1968 Celestion G12M25 12:48
2022 Mojotone British Vintage 13:01
2022 Weber Ceramic Legacy 13:15
2022 Scumback M75 13:29
2022 Scumback M75-PVC 13:42
2022 Celestion G12M25 14:09
2015 Celestion G12M25 75Hz 13:56
2022 Celestion G12M EVH 14:23
2022 Warehouse Green Beret 14:38
2022 Jensen Mod 12-50 14:51
2022 Eminence Red Coat Private Jack 15:05
2022 Eminence Legend GB128 15:17
2017 Eminence Supro BD12 15:31
1979 Celestion G12-65 15:45
1982 Celestion G12-65 15:58
Riff4
1968 Celestion G12M25 16:11
2022 Mojotone British Vintage 16:25
2022 Weber Ceramic Legacy 16:43
2022 Scumback M75 17:05
2022 Scumback M75-PVC 17:26
2022 Celestion G12M25 75Hz 17:48
2015 Celestion G12M25 75Hz 18:09
2022 Celestion G12M EVH 18:29
2022 Warehouse Green Beret 18:50
2022 Jensen Mod 12-50 19:10
2022 Eminence Red Coat Private Jack 19:33
2022 Eminence Legend GB128 19:53
2017 Eminence Supro BD12 20:12
1979 Celestion G12-65 20:29
1982 Celestion G12-65 20:49
Riff5
1968 Celestion G12M25 21:09
2022 Mojotone British Vintage 21:14
2022 Weber Ceramic Legacy 21:18
2022 Scumback M75 21:23
2022 Scumback M75-PVC 21:28
2022 Celestion G12M25 75Hz 21:33
2015 Celestion G12M25 75Hz 21:38
2022 Celestion G12M EVH 21:42
2022 Warehouse Green Beret 21:47
2022 Jensen Mod 12-50 21:52
2022 Eminence Red Coat Private Jack 21:57
2022 Eminence Legend GB128 22:01
2017 Eminence Supro BD12 22:06
1979 Celestion G12-65 22:10
1982 Celestion G12-65 22:15
Riff6
1968 Celestion G12M25 22:20
2022 Mojotone British Vintage 22:31
2022 Weber Ceramic Legacy 22:46
2022 Scumback M75 23:02
2022 Scumback M75-PVC 23:17
2022 Celestion G12M25 23:33
2015 Celestion G12M25 23:44
2022 Celestion G12M EVH 23:58
2022 Warehouse Green Beret 24:13
2022 Jensen Mod 12-50 24:29
2022 Eminence Red Coat Private Jack 24:44
2022 Eminence Legend GB128 24:59
2017 Eminence Supro BD12 25:14
1979 Celestion G12-65 25:30
1982 Celestion G12-65 25:45
Section 2
Riff2
1968 Celestion G12M25 25:54
2022 Mojotone British Vintage 26:04
2022 Weber Ceramic Legacy 26:20
2022 Scumback M75 26:36
2022 Scumback M75-PVC 26:50
2022 Celestion G12M25 27:06
2015 Celestion G12M25 27:20
2022 Celestion G12M EVH 27:35
2022 Warehouse Green Beret 28:05
2022 Jensen Mod 12-50 27:50
2022 Eminence Private Jack 28:21
2022 Eminence Legend GB128 28:37
2017 Eminence Supro BD12 28:52
1979 Celestion G12-65 29:08
1982 Celestion G12-65 29:22

Riff6
1968 Celestion G12M25 29:34
2022 Mojotone British Vintage 29:44
2022 Weber Ceramic Legacy 29:59
2022 Scumback M75 30:15
2022 Scumback M75-PVC 30:30
2022 Celestion G12M25 75Hz 30:46
2015 Celestion G12M25 75Hz 30:57
2022 Celestion G12M EVH 31:11
2022 Warehouse Green Beret 31:27
2022 Jensen Mod 12-50 31:42
2022 Eminence Private Jack 31:57
2022 Eminence Legend GB128 32:12
2017 Eminence Supro BD12 32:27
1979 Celestion G12-65 32:42
1982 Celestion G12-65 32:57
Section 3
Riff2
1968 Celestion G12M25 33:07
2022 Mojotone British Vintage 33:16
2022 Weber Ceramic Legacy 33:32
2022 Scumback M75 33:48
2022 Scumback M75-PVC 34:03
2022 Celestion G12M25 34:18
2015 Celestion G12M25 34:33
2022 Celestion G12M EVH 34:48
2022 Warehouse Green Beret 35:18
2022 Jensen Mod 12-50 35:03
2022 Eminence Private Jack 35:34
2022 Eminence Legend GB128 35:50
2017 Eminence Supro BD12 36:05
1979 Celestion G12-65 36:20
1982 Celestion G12-65 36:35
Riff6
1968 Celestion G12M25 36:46
2022 Mojotone British Vintage 36:56
2022 Weber Ceramic Legacy 37:11
2022 Scumback M75 37:27
2022 Scumback M75-PVC 37:43
2022 Celestion G12M25 37:58
2015 Celestion G12M25 38:09
2022 Celestion G12M EVH 38:24
2022 Warehouse Green Beret 38:39
2022 Jensen Mod 12-50 38:55
2022 Eminence Private Jack 39:10
2022 Eminence Legend GB128 39:24
2017 Eminence Supro BD12 39:40
1979 Celestion G12-65 39:55
1982 Celestion G12-65 40:10

[@rickya3877]

Some people may not realize how much work goes into recording and editing something this comprehensive...much appreciated,Johan!!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Ricky! Yeah it was an insane amount of work

[@qua7771]

@@JohanSegeborn Thanks for going through all the trouble to provide this. It's the most comprehensive collection of speaker options I've seen. The import taxes alone must have been prohibitive, let alone the tech work. Amazing!

[@jaycee30865]

Monster work.

[@Sellen-]

Yea what a dedication !!

[@seanbilovecky8487]

This is my favorite of his intros. He’s outside of a window and it made me lol.

[@tedmawson260]

Yeah, my brain was going "he's outside, WTF?"

[@averyseaton7942]

For personal reference: Original: 9:09 MojoTone: 9:19 Ted Weber: 9:35 Warehouse: 11:21 Eminence: 11:37 Eminence 3: 12:08 Celestion 4: 12:23

[@DC9V]

That 1968 Greenback just sounds incredible!

[@Mamo878]

It's a bummer how Lazy Johan is slacking off with the vids after all these years. Not! The guy is just _incredible._ Truly a Tone Master who goes further than nearly anyone _ever_ to bring us the very highest quality video content when it comes to vintage guitar tone. I hope everyone really appreciates how hard he works doing all this.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks my friend!

[@YeatzeeGuitar]

Quite the undertaking! Appreciate you doing this, really interesting. Having the 68 clip play before each contender clip is essential for really hearing the differences 1 to 1, so thank you for doing that for most of the video.

[@YeatzeeGuitar]

And as far as my thoughts, unfortunately none of them were very close. The single down strums section about half way through really showed that well, all of them had the top middle bottom or some combination totally off. That's not to say they sounded bad, but definitely different. Based of this I'd probably just lean the celestion reissue.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks!

[@JustinP74]

I'm a little late to this video. Thank you for your time. Since you put in the time and effort to make this, I took the time to listen closely and score them throughout the riffs. They received 0, .5, or 1 point for each riff depending on the similarity. 01 - Supro 02 - Warehouse T3 - '15 g12m25 T3 - '79 g12-65 T3 - '82 g12-65 04 - '22 g12m25 05 - Mojotone 06 - EVH 07 - Jensen 08 - Weber 09 - Scumback PVC 10 - Legend 11 - Scumback M75 12 - Private Jack I was very impressed with the Supro and Warehouse. I know it's all subjective. Regardless, this is what my ears felt was most similar. Thanks again!

[@billgreen3629]

This is insane. Thank you for putting so much work into this.

[@paullaughton6016]

Thanks Johan for all your hard work in putting this useful comparison together. Appreciate it.

[@limalexandro]

Thank you, man. The work you put on this is really fantastic, and inspiring.

[@robthebear2850]

These videos keep getting more and more informative. I like the mix between a scientific and arm-chair approach, combined with the sheer nuttiness of equipment available. Definitely looking forward to next years followup: every single Marshall JTM45 still in existence compared. All kidding aside, I think that I have learned as much, and I'm pretty sure more, about vintage amps and tone from watching these videos over the past few years as I did playing a lot of this stuff over the past 35.

[@sonnygutierrez3979]

Johan, I just wanted to say thanks once again! You’ve made so many fantastic videos, covering many many great topics that so many of us have wondered “if only I had”, and all on you’re own personal time and dollar. You’re a true KZbin star now man, one hell of a rockstar in my book!

[@anthonycashero7605]

Excellent work and very informative. Thanks so much.

[@RICO_SUAVE21]

Man this was awesome! Thank you!!👍🏾 that Ted Weber really was a surprise, wasn’t expecting to like it so much.

[@joeyochoa7484]

Thank you for the time you take to inform us, Johan. Your videos have taught me a great deal over the last few years, and helped my amp builder put together a 100w black flag replica!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Joey, really good to hear that!

[@brennendehexe7934]

Damn. I'm learning so much here. Stuck in a wormhole of your videos haha. What a great day to spend a free afternoon.🎉

[@justincodyfox]

Man you went ALL OUT on this one. Thank you for adding these invaluable comparisons to the world! Great work!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Justin!

[@hdspringer98]

Incredible video, thank you for doing this in the way you did putting the 68 in between each . KZbin wouldn't be the same without you! I like the Celestion reissues and also thought the weber was quite good.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks, glad you like it!

[@michaelrash1478]

Incredible video, thank you for all the work you put in. I've been a Weber guy for a long time and this video just proves what I've found on my own. That being said I will use this video in the future to help me with other brands that I like as well. Still love the Weber, but Mojotone is very much on my radar.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Michael!

[@pulpcitymusic5760]

Unbelievable! The old greenback has such a vowely vocal midrange. Seems like the g12-65's get a bit of that vowely sound too. What an amazing video.

[@markhoskins]

Great comparison! Loving the sound of the EVH 12M and those old G12-65's. 👍❤

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Mark, glad to hear it!

[@my5digithobby967]

My thoughts exactly… the g12-65 has a real sweetness to it. The EVH gets really close on some of those riffs. That 68 greenback is the GOAT for a reason though! So rich and so much detail

[@michaelclark5020]

Johan so much work my brother but you are dedicated to helping us find a good option. We really appreciate it. You should start your own company and make greenback replacement. You know what they should sound like more than anyone.

[@doc_matter]

I always keep coming back to this!

[@frustreradpunk]

Johan, thank you so much for making our tone obsession dreams come true with your amazing dedication! If only Celestion would put the time and effort to make a proper reissue of the pre-Rola Greenbacks. Their modern versions come so close!

[@maxvockner]

I love these vids! The OG green back has that special open top end and mid range sound that is very unique. Much more noticeable on single notes than chords. I was sold on the mojotone after the last video but now there’s more options….😅

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Max! :-)

[@punottedbumhucker3974]

Johan you nailed it again! Thank you so much for your work! Really like the EVH speaker, which btw are only labeled 20W but have a 25W speaker coil. I paired one with a g12h-55 heritage, which has a lot more bite, in a 212.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks! Good to know

[@pppaulie73]

Nothing beat the '68 GB. The reissues sounded pretty good, warehouse and Supro sounded pretty good also. Thanks for taking all the time to do this, great video!!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks!

[@moonelfcosmo]

You really did a stellar job with this video. Super helpful! Thanks!

[@tomasvanecek8626]

😂 Episode #1253.. 🤩 - a kind nod, with nice sense of humour ! Now, this vid is an enormous achievement with incredible effort behind it... I salute you !

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Tomas!

[@tubo628]

I'm still floored by the Supro bd-12. I swear, I've got to get a pair of those. Looking forward to this vid. Cheers JS!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Cheers!

[@loosechangetrio1]

I’m quite surprised how good the two G12 65s faired alongside the holy grail. And that Mojotone came really close. The greenback reissues sound great. Hey Johan , this vid is a great resource for anyone going down the speaker rabbit hole like me. Must have taken you weeks if not months to complete. A big thank you.

[@doc_matter]

I'm thinking about the monotone myselff!

[@richard66754]

First off. Thank you Johan for doing this test and making us a video. You’ve put a lot of effort into it, and it really shows. Secondly, I love my Scumback 1265 clones, 4x12, but can’t bring myself to get rid of my Celestion G12M25 loaded 4x12. They have a very rich tone with a beautiful top end, especially with the plexi.😊

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Richard

[@YouriLigotmi]

For me, it's the Green Beret ! Followed by the EVH which might open up in the higher mids when broken in. i liked the G12Ms reissues too and the G12-65 8 Ohm. I'm really looking forward to listening your test of the Fane F25 as I'm really considering it for my next 2x12 cab !

[@randzimm]

This was awesome! Thank you Johan!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Randall!

[@USTTRM]

Boy that Scumback cuts thru ! Glad to finally hear one in a comparison. Great video as always!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks, glad you like it

[@dougb5028]

Nice work Jonny!

[@dmitriysemeshkin]

Great job, very interesting sound of some products, I personally liked it 2022 Warehouse Green Beret, and of course 1968 Celestion G12M25.Thanks!!!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks!

[@mattrobinson]

Thanks for another brilliant video Johan, such a good reference point for anyone trying to choose the right greenback for them. This has made me realise just how good the 60s ones are, they just sound RIGHT

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Matt!

[@giuliocarmassi]

Yes! Fantastic shootout. Thanks a million! I was surprised by how much I liked the 2015 and 22 Celestion reissues. The green beret wasn't a surprise as WGS are my favorite modern speakers. The Veteran 30 being my absolute favorite speaker doing a similar comparison with about 20 speakers, a 4x12 with a 1987x and a magnatone 2x12 semi open. Venteran 30 is my sound! Their British Invasion is not bad at all either! But again wonderful wonderful contribution to the community! :) G

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Giulio! Great to hear that!

[@rickhuff9030]

Herculean effort Johan! No one comes close to your speaker tests. The 68, for me anyway, overshadows all the rest. There's just that much of a difference. I also like the 82 G12-65 a lot as well. It would be interesting to hear the rest after being pummeled for 20+ years.

[@Mark70609]

I was surprised that the Scumback speakers didn’t perform better. The 1968 Celestion 68 was king. The Mojotone and Weber Legacy sound real good. The new Celestions were good too.

[@InGrindWeCrust2010]

Scumback don't seem to sound as singular with so many other clones or derivatives having come out over the last 20 years. I agree...I thought the WGS Green Beret was more similar than I'd expected, too.

[@KB_Joys]

I liked the warehouse green baret and the supro. Thanks for the video 😊

[@johnb4024]

I bought a Traynor 212 with modern Greenbacks. Freakin love it!

[@YMESYDT]

I was surprisingly impressed by the Weber and the EVH, still like the old one best but it'll be interesting to see how they break in!

[@benboruff]

Wow. Great episode, Johan! After watching, and reading many comments, I have concluded that the sound is in the ear of the listener. Most agree that the '68 sounds the sweetest, but after that, we all have a wide variety of opinions on which sounds "closest" to the '68. Very Interesting.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Benjamin!

[@TurquoiseArmies]

Tack så mycket Johan!✌🏻

[@SirVicc]

Great work, Johan! Appreciate the effort put into this. I'll be honest, while it doesn't sound the same as this specific GB, I like the modern GB the best of the new speakers. Also the G12-65.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Vic!

[@ioannuca]

Vilket hästjobb du gjort mannen! Grymt 🤟🏼😀👍🏼. Man hör precis skillnaden mellan högtalarna! Jag har en 4x12 med G12-65, 8ohm från 1981 . Bästa lådan jag någonsin haft. Skär genom lagom men dödar inte öronen så som t ex V30. Tack för dina videos 🙏🏼

[@These_go_to_eleven_1959]

Since the OG 1968 is so hard to get I'll just stick with the EVH version to make it easy. Cant really go wrong with something he approved.🤘

[@focusonjunta]

This is an incredible gift to tone-chasers, thank you Johan! 2015 Celestion reissue did not sound bad at all. Always curious about the EVH - they sound a bit mid-scooped to me - good for more modern genres I think. The Supro has a unique and interesting flavour. Cheers!

[@blueflagmusic]

68 is so good. 82 is impressive. I would get the 2022 reissue and break them in,done. Thanks for doing these comparisons.

[@edwardmonsariste4050]

Thank you for this incredible video. To me, this is invaluable data for guitar speakers in 2022. I would love to see the sandpaper trick done to the EVH.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks, glad to hear that

[@PepeRubio77]

Thank you so much Johan for the video. Everybody is going to tell me I am crazy but the most I like is the greenback Reissue from 2022. The 1968 sunds to me very dark

[@CarstenGoeke]

Good work Johan. Greetz. Carsten ✌🏼

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Carsten!

[@BopKitBill]

My favorite take on a GB is a WGS Invader which didn't get included ... another great is the G12M-65 Creamback! Regular Greenbacks come across a bit harsh and bright unless your really cranking them hard. The invader has all the good greenback qualities minus the harsh highs.

[@InGrindWeCrust2010]

Ooh...and higher power handling. I'm about to put some I've had stashed in a cab. That top end can be great to cut through, though, especially for those of us with hearing loss. 😅

[@patrickhayden1977]

Nice video !!! The moral of this story is the only thing that sounds like a Greenback is a Greenback 👍

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Patrick!

[@thisdyingsoul76]

And not all greenback will sound identical either. If you buy multiple from the same batch, you might get close, but just like with guitars, there seems to be a variable that cannot be accounted for that causes variations in sound.😊

[@mikeindel]

Makes me rethink shelving my g12-65, would love to have heard the sidewinder in this comparison

[@mikesinur1992]

The first step of the cure is ...a kiss. EXCELLENT demo.

[@JosephBag]

Great video Johan! Vintage sounded the best. Surprised that I liked the Private Jack and the Supro

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Joe!

[@JBASH2011]

Looking forward to this Johan, and hoping you will be doing the "H30" shootout in the near future as well.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Glad to hear it Jeff! I will if there is an interest from the viewers

[@heikopfister9739]

​@@JohanSegeborn there is! :)

[@GabeHelma]

H30 55hz are my favorites!

[@InGrindWeCrust2010]

Yep

[@tonebender69]

It would be nice to see 1 final G12M greenback video. Comparing the Celestion heritage G12-65 to the original vintage one. Also the Creamback G12M with more high power versions of these same speakers from Scumback M75/M75 PVC 65 watt , Warehouse Invader G12M, standard Weber greenbacks, etc. Maybe you can record the great Celestion G12C greenback and place it with the other Celestion greenbacks. Johan you definitely deserve a medal!!!

[@jaeger28]

Amazing collection and thanks for an awesome vid as always! I got a 73 Marshall cab with its original Greyback 25W Rolas with Pulsonic cones and have been chasing that open tone for my 1x12 cab as a handy grab and go package. Closest I got was a Celestion Heritage G12H-75 15 Ohm. Love that speaker. But I think it's out of production now.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks, glad to hear it!

[@imcttunome]

The 2015 reissue was pretty close and the G12-65 as well. What really shocked me was the Jensen Mod 12 -50, which is a relatively cheap speaker. I thought it was closest overall! Awesome comparison, Johan . . . must have taken weeks!!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks! Yeah this was a indeed a lot of work

[@JulianA-tr6pt]

Only saw one comment mentioning the Private Jack. While it isn't a direct clone, or really designed to be one, it is a great speaker. Perfect EQ for a British style speaker. A/B compared to the 68, it definitely lacks that top end airy-ness (some call harshness). The Jack certainly is bright, but not harsh, in a room/mic'd. I have one in a 2x12 with a Cannabis Rex and it mics great and the speaker combo really makes a huge sound. I wouldn't mind trying another Brit style speaker with the Jack, as I seem to prefer it over most "American" style speakers. Kinda want to try a Warehouse or real Celestion some time.

[@nickmaybes]

You really covered it all brother! 😃

[@GiantPinhead]

Late to the game, but I really like the Mono Tone and the reissue Greenbacks. A few of the others sounded pretty good some times, but those two stood out to me as being really good most every times. I was surprised how raspy the Jensen sounded. Generally the Weber was nice, but maybe a bit reedy sounding. Thank you Johan. Really wonderfully done.

[@jcwear89]

What a huge amount of work! I think the Jensen sounds a bit scrappy, not the same ballpark as the others. But on some riffs I think some speakers sounded a by dark, but thank you for showing us all these great options!

[@gerrydaly5409]

Great video - thank you

[@SFolkes97]

FWIW, since I have or had a few of these: I had Emi PJ paired with a G12M-65 in a closed back Bluesbreaker (big!) cab - was my favorite for years. Have several RI GB's in various pairings such as a 4X12 with V-30's bottom and GB's top (Friedman loads some this way). Really like my WGS Reapers and Retro30's. Have a 212 closed back combo amp with a J-75 Scumback and V-30 - REALLY like that one. And for all out premium boutique, Celestion-recommended pairing, I have another 412 with a Blue and a G12H-30 70th on one side, and a Heritage GB with a Heritage G12H-30 55Hz on the other side. For a 112 cab, I like a closed back with a G12K-100 or an open back with a Cream 90. I keep the 412's because whaddya gonna do? Can't move 'em, can't sell 'em/ship 'em, they aren't practical anywhere, but I've had 'em for decades, love the sound even at low volume. But a 112 loaded as above is plenty. For compact, the Mesa Boogie V-30 loaded mini-Rec slant is an incredible sounding small box. I used to hate V-30's but now they are a staple for pairing. I break them in a LONG time and maybe my hearings is going but they don't seem as harsh as they did 20 years ago. They pair well with GB's too.

[@michaelgriffin5304]

That OG Greenback just sounds so damn good.

[@lousekoya1803]

Johan ( The Mad Scientist ) did it again ! Well done !

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Lou! Cheers!

[@richard66754]

Got a quad of those scumbacks. Love them!

[@rickya3877]

My favorites...the J 75's are great too

[@respblox]

@@rickya3877 The J75 is my current favorite. Love it with every amp I've paired it with (Matchless C30, 5E3 Tweed, 6G3 & 2204)

[@rickya3877]

@@respblox yeah...I have M75's,J75's,and J75 PVC's to go with different amps...every one is fantastic and they're all the 65 watt versions so I don't have to worry about overloading them

[@richard66754]

I’ve owned some of the Scumbacks about ten years ago in a 2x12. You could beat the crap out of them with a 100 watt plexi, and they just sounded great. I recently got into playing again, and had an empty 4x12. Scumback (Jim) was the first guy I called.

[@geoffmagnusson3355]

Just ordered 4 M75-PVC's to replace my G12T-75's in a 1960. Can't wait to load them up!

[@Stsilascousteau]

Man nothing touches that 1968 GB for rockin balls.

[@alanst.4417]

Wow, what a monstrous project, Johan! Hats off, that must have taken a ton of work, changing the speakers, playing and editing. I can't imagine where you found so much time having a full time job and it makes me think your wife must be pretty jealous of those speakers 😁 Jokes aside I really appreciate the back to back editing with different mics in the end! There seems to be hope as quite many of the demoed speakers seem to be in the ballpark. The '68 Pulsonic GB still rules, but I was surprised how close the 8 ohm reissue and the G12-65 were, wasn't expecting that. I liked the Mojotone, EVH, Warehouse, Weber, Supro and the PVC Scumback, every one has its own flavour. On the other hand the Jensen and Eminence (especially the Legend) seemed quite off IMO. If I had to pick just one, I'd probably take the 2015 Greenback. Rock on, Johan 🤘

[@SwnkyTiger]

Thank you Mr.Segeborn. While maybe not true to the Greenback, I'm really digging that EVH model, I definitely need to keep an eye out for one. Like others have said if I wanted to be pretty darn close but couldn't use an original, I'd go with the G12-65 and (or) Warehouse. Both sounded great, they could be a nice mix.

[@jkf9167]

Awesome vid! The original sounds fuller and clearer than any of the pretenders, but most of these speakers performed really well. Who knows how good they'll sound in 50 years? The most convincing were the 2015 reissue, the EVH, the Weber, the Supro, the Mojotone, and the 16 ohm G12-65. Aside from a few misses (the Private Jack, the Jensen Mod, and maybe the first of the two Scumbacks), nearly everything sounded about ready to go into a Greenback-craving amp. I suppose the biggest surprise to me was the Weber, which sounded more like the 68 Greenback than most.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Josh

[@mgalbu]

First off, what a GREAT video Johan! From the edit to the timestamps, this must have been A LOT of work. Thank you! For the comparison, the obvious take is that no other speaker has the magic of the Pulsonic Greenback. No news there. But to my ears both Celestion Reissues did a great job and were the closest sounding ones of the lot, with the Green Beret up there too. (I'd wager they share the same cones as the reissues as they sound virtually the same to me!) All the rest IMO are far from the original -even though some sound great on their own ('79 G12-65!) The Mojotone and the GB128 that I previously thought were good competitors were not as close sounding to me this time, or perhaps the Celestion reissues took their place. I was pleasantly surprised.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Max, yeah this one was a mouthful to record 😅

[@RocknJazzer]

Good to see some Weber and WGS in there, should be interesting.

[@riangarianga]

Thank you for this exhaustive comparison! Quite impressive work. Oh, my! After 20 minutes I started getting hearing exhaustion. I think it deserves to be revisited in «chapters». The index you provided will be really useful. Regardless, on this first hearing I think all the Celestion reissues and the Mojotones are the closest ones. At first I thought the Scumbacks sounded great, but then they became tiring; unfortunately I got the same feeling from a Pete Thorn test years ago.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks, glad you like it!

[@druwk]

Appreciate the DEEP dive! Although it can be a rabbit hole, finding the right speaker is probably more important than finding the right amp? 1968 sounds BOSS

[@marc12marc]

Wish you would do the same type of demo with clean tones as well :) lots of fun your channel

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Marc, I will!

[@rickya3877]

The Mojotone sounded great last week...looking forward to see how my Scumbacks stack up in your comparison...thanks for doing this!

[@qua7771]

I've been using the Mojotone speaker for about a year now, and was wondering how it compared to vintage. That was a good video. I'm surprised at how much Johan liked it.

[@rickya3877]

@@qua7771 Yeah, that's got to make you happy...you were ahead of the curve!

[@qua7771]

@@rickya3877 Thanks. It was advertised as having a little sweeter top end, and tighter bass than a G12M. That the soft components were from UK. I took that to mean that it was a vintage voiced G12M. I asked here, a wile back if Johan would review one. I have nothing to compare the speaker to except for a modern greenback. I was considering trying the Weber. I was really surprised to see how much Johan liked the Mojotone in the last review. I mean especially for the price ~$110 USD. There is not a lot of talk about these on the web. I guess it's a keeper.

[@thorinbane]

I had the EVH but they sounded really dark in the cab they were in. I put some vintage (and poor shape) Jensen C12Rs in the cab and it came to life. Cab has an effect on tone as well. Some speakers will just sound better in some cabs.

[@michaelstankiewitch5391]

My fave current production is the evh for a more balanced tone.The 68 is my fave.the 2022 cel.GB.is next then the 65 especially the 8 ohm .also the supro was a surprise it came the closest in my ear from an american manufacturer.great job J....

[@mrthunder8190]

It's forever astonishing to me that with plenty of old speakers to reverse engineer, no one has come up with anything that sounds like that original Greenback. Really appreciate all your tone chasing, Johan. I've got stacks of speakers from my many years of trial and error testing. In the end, my experience is that what we hear coming out of a cabinet in a room is usually not what the speaker sounds like when it is properly miked up...I've put one speaker in 4 different cabinets, and in an ambient situation, it sounded different all 4 times. Recording the speaker was a different story. When mic'd for recording, it sounded the same, no matter what cabinet it was in. Simple adjustments to the microphone placement made dialing in a good tone easy. Close proximity mics take the cabinet out of the equation, and let us find a sweet spot on the speaker. I guess my point is, a speaker that sounds great when set up for recording may not sound as good through just a cabinet during rehearsal, or at low volume during practice. Your demonstration here is excellent, because it gives the true flavor of the speaker in its essence. For the end user, however, it may sound different if they are not recording or putting mic's in front of the cab. All of this to say - "the '68 Celestion is the best!" Clearly. Excellent demo.

[@tonebender69]

Yes! I've been thinking lately that the Pulsonic formula was lost in the factory fire. But what about the engineers that invented it? They were probably still around and breathing. Why didn't they try to bring it back from memory? I'm sure that coming up with that pulp for the Pulsonic formula would have been a lot of attempts until they were happy and settled on a result. Why didn't they try to reverse engineer it at that very moment?

[@aaronroberts3848]

I totally Agree! If he didn't add the room mic he could essentially make them all sound like the original green back. This I why so may speaker shoot outs really suck ! I want to hear the speake as I would if I were in the room. For recording yes I can see but have the room mic on so we can get a really world perspective

[@Slugfuct]

Thanks for all you do Johan! My favorites in order are the 68, EVH, both Reissues, WGS and Mojotone

[@DavidVeeGuitars]

Wow! That was incredible effort, Johan. Very much appreciated. Thank you for all that you do to make this kind of shootout possible! Not sure what you hear/feel playing them in the room, but as many others have noted the reissue Greenbacks and G12-65s get close... but that EVH surprised me because it seemed a bit closer. The boutiques left me cold for all of their hype. Conclusion - the 68 sound remains elusive. Celestion are you watching this? You have some work to do.

[@BladeDoomer86]

Wow, Rola 65 sounds very similar.. I got the Mojotone BV30 60w, and it's simply incredible..

[@tonebender69]

Back to the tone search again. I love everything about vintage tones. I bought 2 Mojotone BV-25 to try out because they do sound the closest to the pre rola greenback. I have had a few Celestion's. I had a set of 4 6402 cone G12M 25 reissues. I know that you can't run a powerful Marshall and put the vintage 68 greenback in danger. But for the next one Johan maybe you can use a 70's Marshall head with a master volume? Or run the speakers in pairs to handle the power. I can't wait for more shootouts of GB's. I want to hear all the G12H30 types. Again thanks for this Johan!

[@Major_T_Magruder]

Honestly would love to see the cost effective EHX 25 watt and 75watt version tested in this comparison as well as the peavey valve king speaker that is oddly green painted 😏

[@auntjenifer7774]

At first I thought the EVH speaker was the closest to your vintage green back but then I realized it was the supro speaker that came the closet, almost dead on.

[@ideospheremusic8002]

That 68 GB sounds absolutely perfect, the sound of rock! The Vintage & RI Celestions were close and sounded good but this confirms that I prefer the Webers, I have a 30 & 40 oz Legacy in my 2x12. A little more modern but well balanced. I liked the Mojotone and EVH too. Disappointed in the Scumbacks, too shrill in the mids and thin sounding. Private Jack was OK in it's own way and the G128 was not good. Great comparison, been wanting to hear something like this for a while!

[@purgasound]

Very nice work. The 65's are the closest in my opinion because they aren't coloring the sound so much and every other speaker has a really nasty resonant peak that you can't seem to shake off. There's a definite mid scoop in the original Greenback but it doesn't sound empty because it has nice high mids and treble. I don't think they ever got it right with the reissue either. Thanks for taking the time to make this great video.

[@vmathias2023]

I think they all sound great. With my darker sounding Orange rocker terror, the Jensen mod may just be the ticket.

[@Aibric]

Awesome video, must have taken a ton of time to make. I do wish you had been able to throw the Celestion G12C greenback in the mix. These were used in the Hendrix cabs and Vintage Modern cabs/combos. I have some as well as the standard modern G12Ms and they definitely sound a little different. G12C is a little less honky sounding and a little more open.

[@retroeero]

Great comparison as always Johan! You should get UK made Tayden 'Greenbacks' as well, would love to hear how those compare to vintage Celestions.

[@Ireland831]

Really great demo. I think the Warehouse Green Beret was the best of the bunch. The two reissue Greenbacks were right there and I would be happy with any of these three. Scumbacks were nice along with the G1265 and the Supro and the Weber Legacy all very nice sounding and would be happy with any. The EVH "Heritage" was too smooth and not enough bite - that was my experience with the Heritage Greenbacks when I owned a set.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks!

[@Ireland831]

@@JohanSegeborn BTW - I sold off all my Heritage Greenbacks. I have a variety now - mostly based on amp configurations. I have a G1265 in my JCM800 4010 combo. I have a Scumback in my handbuilt JTM45, (the Bluesbreaker cab was way too big with 2x12 - mine is in a 1x12). I also have 2 reissue Greenbacks in my 2x12 Mojotone cab for my 50w plexi I built. Your demo confirmed I made all the right choices. I would love to get some of those Warehouse Green Berets just to try.

[@eddieholmes3236]

Wow, so much in there! I hope you pay your soldering iron overtime. I'm like the Weber of the clones although I think 2015 reissue holds up really well.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Hahaha! Yeah this one was a mouthful

[@Skoora]

What I hear is some cool variations that let you match the ideal speaker with a particular amp. There were a couple that jumped out as hard no for anything but several sounded all very useable, depending on what amp and guitar would be involved.

[@stilllifewithguitar184]

This is amazing. I came in ready to go with the Mojotone, but the weber sounds great too, as do the celestion reissues. Mojotone also offers that aged version for $40 more, I wonder how that compares...