John 17:3 - Scripture Twisting 101

John 17:3 - Scripture Twisting 101
"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."
Al Fadi invites special guests David Wood and Sam Shamoun to explore Biblical scripture commonly used by Muslims, manipulated and out of context, to disprove the Truth of the Word of God.
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[@predragjo5977]

One of the best clips from 101 series. ☦️🙏

[@jesussavedme4221]

We need more of these episodes. God bless you

[@Christian-yl4dj]

⚠️ JESUS DIDN'T SAID THAT FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD. Read JOHN 17:3 Properly. 🌹JOHN 17:3 - Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. EXPLANATION OF JOHN 17:3 :- Jesus prayed that we would come to know Him and His Father as only True God ✅ TITUS 2:13 - Son is True God ACTS 5:3,4 - Holy Spirit is True God IS CONTRADICTION 🧐🤔❓ Contradiction is "A" and Not "A" at same time. Eg: "Three beings in one being!" Or "Three persons in one person!" is Contradiction. But, Christians (Catholic) beleive that "Three persons in one being (One God)!". It's not Contradiction 💯👍 So that, 1 God = 3 Persons & 3 Persons are God ✝️ In this world, 1 being = 1 Person (Personhood only for Human Beings). But in the case of God, 1 being = 3 persons🔥🔥🔥 ONE GOD EXIST AS 3 PERSONS✨ On the human level one person is one being, and any two persons are two beings. But, God is another dimension. DON'T UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF GOD & HIS TRUTHS. AMEN 🙏🏼 . 🌹ISAIAH 44:6 - Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. 🌹MARK 14:61,62 - 61 But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?” 62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven. Father is GOD THE FATHER ❤ Son is GOD THE SON ✝️ YAHWEH (Father, Son & Holy Spirit) ✨ ⚠️ The only reason they killed Jesus was because who he claimed to be God. No one else was born on this earth like the Son of God was born Jesus, Messiah are names which means saviour. Son (Jesus) & Holy Spirit was came in the name of Father called “YAHWEH”. (READ 🌹JOHN 5:43, 🌹JOHN 14:26) SON (JESUS) WAS NOT CREATED. HE IS THE CREATOR. IN THE BEGINNING JESUS WAS WITH THE FATHER WITH HEAVENLY BODY AND FATHER CREATED ALL THINGS THROUGH SON (JESUS) ✅ There is no other God. Only Our God YAHWEH Amen 🙏🏼

[@ChefBoyYeshua]

Hey Sam, we're proud of you, through the Grace of the Holy Spirit, working through you as a mere man, has brought you into such better health. We do not misunderstand the gifts from God as the gift of man, and you have been armed by Him. He who all Glory is for. God bless you three in eternal life filled with the Holy Spirit.

[@104littleal6]

This is a great series. Just what Christians need, even with JWs.

[@seanrathmakedisciples1508]

Yes the JWs us the same reasoning as the Muslims. I’ve subscribed to your KZbin channel and subscribe to mine. All blessings to you and your family and ministry in Jesus name and love ❤️ from Ireland 🇮🇪

[@user-st1uy5wz2t]

and with Muslims

[@AZ1986Zai]

Thank you brothers for your work! May God keep blessing you in private and in finances and in more intimate knowledge of God! Be in peace!

[@Christian-yl4dj]

⚠️ JESUS DIDN'T SAID THAT FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD. Read JOHN 17:3 Properly. 🌹JOHN 17:3 - Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. EXPLANATION OF JOHN 17:3 :- Jesus prayed that we would come to know Him and His Father as only True God ✅ TITUS 2:13 - Son is True God ACTS 5:3,4 - Holy Spirit is True God IS CONTRADICTION 🧐🤔❓ Contradiction is "A" and Not "A" at same time. Eg: "Three beings in one being!" Or "Three persons in one person!" is Contradiction. But, Christians (Catholic) beleive that "Three persons in one being (One God)!". It's not Contradiction 💯👍 So that, 1 God = 3 Persons & 3 Persons are God ✝️ In this world, 1 being = 1 Person (Personhood only for Human Beings). But in the case of God, 1 being = 3 persons🔥🔥🔥 ONE GOD EXIST AS 3 PERSONS✨ On the human level one person is one being, and any two persons are two beings. But, God is another dimension. DON'T UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF GOD & HIS TRUTHS. AMEN 🙏🏼 🌹ISAIAH 44:6 - Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. 🌹MARK 14:61,62 - 61 But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?” 62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven. Father is GOD THE FATHER ❤ Son is GOD THE SON ✝️ YAHWEH (Father, Son & Holy Spirit) ✨ ⚠️ The only reason they killed Jesus was because who he claimed to be God. No one else was born on this earth like the Son of God was born Jesus, Messiah are names which means saviour. Son (Jesus) & Holy Spirit was came in the name of Father called “YAHWEH”. (READ 🌹JOHN 5:43, 🌹JOHN 14:26) SON (JESUS) WAS NOT CREATED. HE IS THE CREATOR. IN THE BEGINNING JESUS WAS WITH THE FATHER WITH HEAVENLY BODY AND FATHER CREATED ALL THINGS THROUGH SON (JESUS) ✅. There is no other God. Only Our God YAHWEH Amen 🙏🏼

[@alphaomega9806]

I love this series.

[@seanrathmakedisciples1508]

አልፋ ኦሜጋ Alpha Omega they aim for truth only

[@bernardareguamen6917]

Sam,Mohd Faridi & David wood: u are all a terror against the kingdom of darkness ! We thank God for ur devotion .

[@christiancrusader34]

Like CIRA International 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@mattyskilling4522]

Best episode yet. Thank you all very much for this series.

[@faithwithmelody]

Amen. Cherry picking bible verses is the worst thing anyone can do. It's so easy to deceive people that way if they don't read the bible for themselves and truly have a relationship with Jesus. It's so important to read enough to get the right context and actually understand what the scriptures are saying. Love these videos! :)

[@jamalmahroof3298]

The problem for me has always been that most of these kinds of verses where Jesus divorces himself from the concept of God cannot be rectified with those that Christian’s say suggest he is God. I find if we look to the clarity and directness of verses, Jesus is much more direct and clear in the verses which suggest he isn’t God than the ones where he supposedly does. “The father is greater than I” however you never find a verse saying “I am God” only unclear vague verses that could be interpreted so I’d love to hear your opinion on this if you’d offer me the time to reply May God guide us all

[@faithwithmelody]

@@jamalmahroof3298 It's not my opinion that counts and I (like most christians) don't believe Jesus is God because it's an opinion of mine, but the Truth coming directly from Gods word. My only suggestion would be to continue reading the Bible and building a relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Only then can we start to grasp the amazing truth about who He really is. God bless you 🙏🏼

[@realdealholyfield-dx3bf]

​@@jamalmahroof3298I got scripture that reveals Jesus is God. "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word is God" "Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name, Immanuel (which means, God with us)". "In Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells bodily." "When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts, “Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

[@user-st1uy5wz2t]

it is easy to be deceived when you are not in the Word

[@DIRECTEDBYH]

jamal made a good point, why didn't you acknowledge it? Do you think God wants us to be crazy to dig and interpret everything in scripture, or do you think he would speak more clearly than any human. It is a fact that anonymous authors added and changed the bible a lot, and christians now claim it's "godly inspired" with no divine proof. @@faithwithmelody

[@nottjohn]

Thank you Al Fadi, David and Sam. God bless you brothers

[@seanrathmakedisciples1508]

You’re a blessed team glorifying the Lord Jesus as Lord and king. We appreciate your videos teachings which are a blessing to all Christians and all mankind. All blessings and protection to you and your family and ministry in Jesus name forevermore Love ❤️ from Ireland in Jesus name forevermore

[@supayakamupercaya]

Thank you Sam, DW and Al Fadi.

[@lai2ya346]

I enjoy so much watching this..God bless you 🙏🙏🙏

[@seanrathmakedisciples1508]

Well done lads. You are truly a great blessing to the body of Christ These facts are beneficial to all believers of Jesus. Love from Ireland in Jesus name.

[@Christian-yl4dj]

⚠️ JESUS DIDN'T SAID THAT FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD. Read JOHN 17:3 Properly. 🌹JOHN 17:3 - Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. EXPLANATION OF JOHN 17:3 :- Jesus prayed that we would come to know Him and His Father as only True God ✅ TITUS 2:13 - Son is True God ACTS 5:3,4 - Holy Spirit is True God IS CONTRADICTION 🧐🤔❓ Contradiction is "A" and Not "A" at same time. Eg: "Three beings in one being!" Or "Three persons in one person!" is Contradiction. But, Christians (Catholic) beleive that "Three persons in one being (One God)!". It's not Contradiction 💯👍 So that, 1 God = 3 Persons & 3 Persons are God ✝️ In this world, 1 being = 1 Person (Personhood only for Human Beings). But in the case of God, 1 being = 3 persons🔥🔥🔥 ONE GOD EXIST AS 3 PERSONS✨ On the human level one person is one being, and any two persons are two beings. But, God is another dimension. DON'T UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF GOD & HIS TRUTHS. AMEN 🙏🏼 🌹ISAIAH 44:6 - Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. 🌹MARK 14:61,62 - 61 But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?” 62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven. Father is GOD THE FATHER ❤ Son is GOD THE SON ✝️ YAHWEH (Father, Son & Holy Spirit) ✨ ⚠️ The only reason they killed Jesus was because who he claimed to be God. No one else was born on this earth like the Son of God was born Jesus, Messiah are names which means saviour. Son (Jesus) & Holy Spirit was came in the name of Father called “YAHWEH”. (READ 🌹JOHN 5:43, 🌹JOHN 14:26) SON (JESUS) WAS NOT CREATED. HE IS THE CREATOR. IN THE BEGINNING JESUS WAS WITH THE FATHER WITH HEAVENLY BODY AND FATHER CREATED ALL THINGS THROUGH SON (JESUS) ✅. There is no other God. Only Our God YAHWEH Amen 🙏🏼.

[@aiden3089]

God bless Al, Sam and David

[@booka852]

May god almighty have mercy upn on u but david wood in hell and all the rest

[@kethib52154]

thank you

[@masterjasonJABRA]

That was awesome! God bless!

[@emkfenboi]

The most important commandment according to Jesus : hear o Israel , the lord of our god is one . Who's the one true God according to Jesus : The father CASE CLOSED.

[@yassineoussiomar1912]

exactly jesus is a messenger of god as all the messengers jesus was worshipng the father the only true god one god read psaumes84 it's talk about muslims in mecca (becca ) it's a prophecy of prophete muhameed as the last messengers pbuh

[@wretchedsavedbygrace4499]

Poli Saanam Myr you didn’t watch the video didn’t you? and which Jesus Said that verse you applied , Jesus quoting the old Testament . Didn’t you not read the definitions of that specific verse? probably not . smh 🤦‍♀️

[@wretchedsavedbygrace4499]

Poli Saanam Myr cased closed ? don’t think so www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-oneness-unity-plural-nouns-pronouns-verbs-adverbs.htm

[@emkfenboi]

@@wretchedsavedbygrace4499 I did watch the video , what did I Miss? Even if Jesus is quoting the old testament in John 17:3 , how does it change anything . Jesus is saying The father ( one person) is the only true God.

[@aspreedacore]

@@wretchedsavedbygrace4499 Jesus when he was on earth only worshiped one person as god, not three persons as god, he also only prayed to one person as god not three persons as god, he also said in john 4 salvation originates with the jews who believed god was the father not a multi person god... 19“Sir,” the woman said, “I see that You are a prophet. 20Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews say that the place where one must worship is in Jerusalem.” 21“Believe Me, woman,” Jesus replied, “a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22You worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.” 25The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When He comes, He will explain everything to us.” 26Jesus answered, “I who speak to you am He.”(John 4:19-26 BSB)

[@shenegamy]

الحمدلله علي نعمه الوضوح في الاسلام ❤

[@johnzuma4688]

Who is this allah that Mohammed worshiped? We read that in the year 624 AD Mohammed changed the direction of prayer to the Kaaba. At that time the Kaaba was a place of pagan idol worship. So Mohammed bowed down in worship to a shrine for pagan idol worship where some 360 idol gods were being worshipped there at that time. We know from the Bible that our God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would never have condoned that one of his prophets would have bowed down in worship to a shrine for pagan idols. So clearly Mohammed’s allah is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. So who is Mohammed’s allah who is happy to be worshipped as “the god” amongst some 360 pagan idol gods? All we know for sure is that Mohammed’s allah is not our ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible.

[@ryuzaki____17]

😂😂😂

[@user-st1uy5wz2t]

Jesus Akbar

[@alial-mofadda9582]

@@user-st1uy5wz2t But Jesus says Allahu Akbar in John 14:28 "for the Father is greater than I"

[@user-sm2oi1bx3w]

May God bless you and your families.❤❤❤ I love you guys from Sierra Leone

[@ghostrider4840]

I love when muslims argue against the trinity. When in Genesis 1:27, it says we were made in the image of God. What does "made in the God" mean? It means we were made in the triune nature of God. We are body, soul, and spirit. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 refers to this when it says "May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul, and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@parijal3771]

Keep on fabricating.

[@spazomaz]

@@parijal3771 Muslim moment😂

[@sabazhussain2840]

Okay if we means some multiple persons then I should refer to a single person. So in isaiyah it says that ' no other god beside me' , so this should refer to a single person. Because there is difference in I and We.

[@nurimahrasidz271]

I believe God made Adam in his image too, born without a Father or Mother. But he is not a God.

[@ghostrider4840]

@@nurimahrasidz271 He can't be God if he was created, so I agree.

[@gibson_254]

Amaizing

[@FreeRadical7118]

John 17 shows such a powerful, beautiful Oneness between the Father and Son, we need to pray that Muslims will begin to read it in its fullness. Christ knew exactly where He'd be when He shed His earthly body, Muhammad clearly said that Allah had left his only messenger clueless about what would become of him when he died. Eternity is a very hefty tab to pick up for following the blatant confusion of Muhammad's Islam.

[@user-wo6ge5lz3m]

Betsy Ross where did Muhammad pbuh clearly say this? Show us Christian honesty please.

[@yassineoussiomar1912]

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[@yassineoussiomar1912]

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[@AnaKatana-dx7oe]

​@@user-wo6ge5lz3m Man you muslims need to actually read your own Quran. People like CP always doing your homework.

[@nocap4160]

I'm atheist and i finally understand that verse

[@munashemanamike4217]

Nice. how are you bro

[@Derek_Baumgartner]

Thanks for these!

[@losbetter4515]

Jesus loves you all❤️✝️

[@rodneyarendse4167]

Acts 7:55 “But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,” King James Version (KJV) according to Acts 7:55 Jesus and God are two different persons

[@jaqhopkins6467]

Correct, the Father & the Son are separate but one

[@jjj4189]

@@reefk3412 what do u mean by that

[@ken440]

you are correct. This doesnt damage christianity as these three imply, it only damages the trinity which is a churchian import. Two beings. Father and human son, just like Joseph was under Pharaoh, forgave his brothers, saved his people, but wasnt egyptian. one God AND the lord Jesus. And is a conjunction. you make a good point.

[@ken440]

also to strengthen your point, in a royal court scene the King sits, while the kings agents stand in his presence. Just what you said, showing Jesus is lower in status.

[@IIStasisII]

Correct, the Father and Son are distinct persons! (Not like we already knew this 😂)

[@isaacambi1914]

Wow. I love this

[@heaven-is-real]

Jesus: "If you know me you know my Father."

[@joedaniels4646]

This is a great video ... let me add something pertaining to the Greek that may help ... Many want to say that because of John chapter 17:3 where it states that: “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” Jesus is separating Himself from the Father, and stating only the Father is the only true God. Furthermore, they go on to say that this proves that Jesus never thought of Himself to be equal with, or thought of Himself as being God! What a lot of people fail to realize when reading Jn. 17:3 is that the word that we have translated “AND” is the Greek word “καὶ” which is translated as the words “AND”, “EVEN”, or “ALSO”. Most of the time the word is translated as "and" which is unfortunate here, because if it were translated as "even" or "also" I think the true meaning is a little clearer. I believe Jesus is actually linking Himself to the one true God in this scripture. He is separate from the Father, but not denying that He is the one true God as we read in other passages like Jn. 1:1. So when Jesus said that “And this is eternal life, that they may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” The Greek can also rightly be translated “And this is eternal life, that they may know you the only true God, “EVEN” Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” Or “And this is eternal life, that they may know you the only true God, “ALSO” Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” Which is the way I prefer and drives home the point better that Jesus is saying that they need to know the Father also Jesus the Son as the only true God. In Jn. 14:1 we see that the word “καὶ” is translated as “ALSO” where He states that all should believe in God, also in Him since both are the one true God! (Jn. 1:1; 1 Jn. 5:20) “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also (καὶ) in Me.” Jn.14:1 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and (καὶ) Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” Jn.17:3

[@jasonhaydt19]

If God sent Jesus, as it is clearly written no matter word is put in place of the other, (and also even), you can not change the fact that God sent Jesus and not himself in a human form. God is not tricking us he is holy and straight forward, humans and devils are the deceivers.

[@kemalabe7907]

President : " I'll send my ambassador to UN office." UN officer : " Ok mr.president, are you gonna come with the first lady ?" President : " Wtf you're asking about? I said I will send my man to that meeting !" UN officer : " What ever.., I will insist to write your name on the list. " President : " I'm sure you're a christian."

[@ManlyServant]

@@kemalabe7907 What is this strawman?

[@cslewis1404]

Thanks.

[@identification133]

A question: do you believe in soul? I was listening to you and at the end was at the point of tears. I truly feel I am connected to The Father through my soul and very deep love. God bless and enlighten us all.

[@JustinHerchel]

'The Father' is the only true God, and Jesus is subordinate to Him.

[@yassineoussiomar1912]

@@JustinHerchel exactly jesus is a messenger of god as all the messengers jesus was worshipng the father the only true god one god read psaumes84 it's talk about muslims in mecca (becca ) it's a prophecy of prophete muhameed as the last messengers pbuh

[@eunicewairimu5015]

@@yassineoussiomar1912 lo 🤣Becca was not about mecca in Saudi Arabia 😅😂, Mohammad is only in the Bible as a false teacher false prophet who gonna perish in hell fire

[@mohammedjamekay3521]

eunice wairimu proof?

[@piandaud4080]

@@eunicewairimu5015 you referring to Matthew 7:15 right for the false prophet and false teaching. Let me remind you for the quote of Matthew 7:21-27. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. If you think this verse for unbelievers and also followers of false prophet such as Muhammad, you might want to think again because first: We Muslim will not call Jesus Lord. Secondly, we not using his name for prophesy or cast devil or doing any miracle work. Thirdly, during Jesus second coming, it will be you and Christian that will eager to meet him. And that verse is his reply to you folks btw.

[@cslewis1404]

Great video!

[@markjoe399]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:07 📖 *Understanding John 17:3* - John 17:3 is often used by Muslims to challenge the deity of Christ. - Picking and choosing verses out of context can lead to misinterpretations. - Exploring the context of John 17 reveals consistent affirmations of Jesus' deity. 02:32 🔄 *Contextualizing John 17:1-2* - Reading John 17:1-2 reveals Jesus acknowledging the Father as the only true God. - Jesus, as the Son, possesses authority over all flesh, emphasizing his sovereignty. - The passage challenges Islamic beliefs about Jesus as merely a messenger. 03:02 🤲 *Jesus' Unique Relationship with the Father* - Jesus' words in John 17:1-3 indicate a unique relationship with the Father. - The Father glorifies the Son, indicating a divine connection. - The Islamic rejection of Jesus as the Son clashes with the biblical affirmation. 04:53 🔑 *Jesus' Authority and Sovereignty* - Jesus, in John 17:2, claims authority over all flesh, challenging Islamic beliefs. - His authority extends to giving eternal life, showcasing divine attributes. - The passage contradicts the Islamic notion of Jesus as a subordinate figure. 06:12 🔄 *Unpacking Eternal Life in John 17:3* - Jesus offers not just eternal life but morally incorruptible and physically indestructible life. - This quality of life requires omnipotence and omniscience, attributes only God possesses. - John 17:3, far from denying Jesus' deity, reinforces his divine nature. 08:32 🔄 *Jesus and the Father Are One* - Examining John 10:27-33 alongside John 17 solidifies Jesus' oneness with the Father. - The Jews understood Jesus' claims as equating himself with God. - Jesus' language echoes Old Testament passages affirming God's exclusive attributes. 10:38 🌟 *The Glorious Preexistence of Jesus* - John 17:5 emphasizes Jesus' preexistence and shared glory with the Father. - This preexistence challenges any notion of Jesus merely being a human prophet. - The passage aligns with the gospel message of Jesus' redemptive work. 12:36 💬 *John 17:25 - A Concluding Gospel Message* - The concluding verses of John 17 depict Jesus praying to the Father. - Jesus acknowledges a unique relationship, contrasting with Islamic beliefs. - The passage sets the stage for the gospel message of righteousness and God's indwelling in believers. 15:20 🙏 *Conclusion and Gospel Call* - Summarizing the impact of John 17 on the gospel message. - Encouragement to grasp the depth of the gospel presented in the scripture. - A call to use the understanding for the glory of God. Made with HARPA AI

[@BananaYT]

Read these bible verses John 11:25, romans 10:90, Isaiah 41:13, and rev 1:18 read those and tell me what it says it clearly says Jesus is the lord

[@ken440]

Jesus is Lord? yes. Acts2:36 shows where Jesus was MADE lord by YHWY who was Lord of Israel. its like joseph under Pharaoh. God is one and selected Israel from Abraham out of the divorced nations at Babel. YHWH remained Lord of Israel until the promised messiah came through that people. When He raised Jesus He made Jesus Lord, for a season (like joseph under pharaoh) and if you read 1cor15:28 Paul tells us of what will happen way future when God makes new heaven and new earth...Jesus hands it back so that God will be all in all. Meaning Jesus is NOT God, but is Gods chief agent.

[@IamRo29]

Really? Go and read Revelation 21:6-7 And He said unto me, “It is done! I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the Water of Life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his #God, and he shall be my son.

[@ken440]

@@IamRo29 Did you notice in previous chapters references to the lamb? well that is Jesus eh? in ch21 the new heaven and new earth is come, and the throne of God in new jerusalem is come. Thats the beginning of the age to follow and God os again amongst His people. V5 says "and He who sat upon the throne said...." the things said are what you quoted. This is YHWH the God most high saying this! Not Jesus. And alpha omega, beginning and end, a to z, first to last, are all expressions of completeness due to context. Look at Rev ch20:6 ".....but they shall be priests of God AND OF Christ, and they shall reign with him 1000yrs." Thats two of them right there, the God most high AND the anointed one (christ) who is seated at that Gods right hand. This is all through scripture !! well well, and as "christ" is the greek "christos" and that means "anointed one" then we see there are two beings presented here, God Himself and His ANOINTED one, the Messiah to Israel (oh.. messiah is from hebrew "meshiach" which also means "anointed one") so we see its as i said, Gods anointed human son, raised and made Lord of heaven and earth. Like Joseph was made Lord of Egypt in the foreshadow story, under pharaoh but "given all power and authority." Alpha and Omega in your verse is God most high speaking, you are making an assumption outside of intent of context when you try to say its Jesus there in your verse.

[@ken440]

@@IamRo29 do you see the point? the logic? in the begining God intended his created spiritual sons, the first family, to share the creation with the new human family, all part of His great divine council, in the mountain of God (eden) but one in particular, and other of those angelic beings rebelled, dragged the humans into it. God promised that as the devil had deceived the woman that a seed of the woman would eventually destroy that rebel. A man. the bible is the long trail of cat and mouse struggle to achieve that promise, against interference gen6 incursion, corruption of man, flood, more rebellion at babel, a separate nation formed where God focusses on just Abrahams offspring while the other nations are scattered for a time, Moses promises (deut18:18) that one of their own (therefore a jewish man) would be that promised great leader and deliverer. Eventually through much apostasy and rebellion and apathy the "seed war" concludes in Jesus, the promised seed of Eve. The jews are incited by those rebel spirits to kill that Jesus, whereby Gods plan is fulfilled, the blood price paid by the second (this time obedient) Adam, Jesus, who becomes the passover lamb of God. So God saves us by providing the covering blood all who call on the name (authority) are saved to life in the age to come! That lamb, a man, is raised and given great honour and glory (like joseph had been in egypt, a type) and will be the king of the world to come, messiah as promised to the revived nation of Israel, and world ruler for another 1000yrs until all is completed and God is again Alpha and Omega, as you pointed out !! Us, the ekklasia, is a period of grace where the nations can come back into the promise (from the babel event... promise to Abraham) and we are "one NEW man, a NEW CREATION and are NEITHER JEW NOR GENTILE and we are to rule with Jesus, the raised and glorified one, over this coming age of this world, glorified as he is now, 1thes4. At end of the future age Jesus hands the Lordship back to God most high, mission accomplished 1Cor15:28. So that God can again be all in all, rebellion crushed, restoration of Gods original plan, except a slight difference. Due to the rebellion coming from the first family "bene elohim" ( sons of God) we have instead of just being another group of His children, we are raised in His champion, Jesus, "so much HIGHER than angels" (authority talk). Do you see the whole bible condensed in this? No need for Jesus to be God, he is Gods lamb of passover covering. The power is in the blood. Gods provision. God saves by providing the covering. Jesus saves by being the covering. We save ourselves by responding to that covering, by our free will through believing (faith).

[@mosesyi5523]

These verses alone prove the triunity of God. Three distinct persons of same divine being/essence.

[@FocusontheKingdom]

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[@sonofthunder1147]

Amen brothers!!

[@ghostrider4840]

I love every time you guys demolish islam with the word of God.

[@bensaid5807]

Ghost These three are full time milk men. Trying to make money. Look at their explaination. .English is not my first language but if the verse clearly says you are the only true god then he is the only one.

[@ClarkKent-zm3qz]

Who is the only true god according to jesus himself ?

[@yaggyone2122]

The Father !!! ding ding ding :)

[@ClarkKent-zm3qz]

@@yaggyone2122 💟

[@dimitris_zaha]

@@yaggyone2122 who is God according to the Father?

[@yaggyone2122]

@@dimitris_zaha - The Father according to himself is the only God! Is. 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Heb. 6:13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself, The old testament makes that pretty clear if you haven't been able to distinguish that yet, its basically the most hammered point of the Old Testament.

[@yassineoussiomar1912]

@@yaggyone2122 exactly jesus is a messenger of god as all the messengers jesus was worshipng the father the only true god one god read psaumes84 it's talk about muslims in mecca (becca ) it's a prophecy of prophete muhameed as the last messengers pbuh

[@osuclassof88]

Favorite of Unitarian too. Don't twist the facts😁

[@theguyver4934]

It's trinitarians who are twisting it

[@djengo77]

@@theguyver4934 You wrote: "It's trinitarians who are twisting it" Trinitarians believe the truth that the Father is the only true God. Trinitarians deny the falsehood that the Father is THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS the only true God. According to John 17:3, in addressing the Father, which one of the following, two things does Jesus say, and which one does He does not say? 1. "thee the only true God" 2. "thee THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS the only true God"

[@djengo77]

@Strong Si Matatag Hello, Brother. You wrote: "1 Corinthians 8:6 It Says The Father Is Only God" What always needs to be noticed in 1 Corinthians 8:6 is that Paul does not say that ONLY the Father is God. Paul says, _"But to us there is but one God, the Father"._ Paul does not say, _"But to us there is but one PERSON WHO IS God, the Father"._ You wrote: "They Will Ask Why Did Jesus Need To Say "Person" If God Is Spirit?" I'm not exactly sure what you mean by the "if God is spirit" part of what you wrote, but here's the thing: Jesus would only need to say "person" if He meant "thee THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS the only true God."

[@djengo77]

@Strong Si Matatag You wrote: "That Answer Is Not Still Acceptable To Unitarians Because The Bible Didn't Say "There Are Three Persons In One God" Word By Word." Ask them where the Bible says, "There IS ONLY ONE PERSON in one God". It doesn't.

[@djengo77]

@Strong Si Matatag You're very welcome, Brother! Hopefully that is helpful to you. God bless you, too!

[@user-br9os5jv2v]

God Bless, in Jesus name, Amen.

[@shaheenmiah-rt5os]

As a Muslim, I was raised to believe in the pure monotheism of Islam that teaches God is one, not only in essence, but also in personhood, and that God is distinct from human beings. So, it took me a long time to grasp the Trinitarian concept of God. It turns out that I’m not alone in struggling to grasp the Trinity. According to scholars of Christianity and defenders of the Trinity, many Christians who profess to believe in the Trinity in fact do not understand the doctrine. Dr James White, one of the foremost apologists for the Trinity today, wrote the following: “For many Christians, the Trinity is an abstract principle, a confusing and difficult doctrine that they believe, although they are not really sure why in their honest moments.” This is evident when one discusses the doctrine with the average Christian. In my experiences of interacting with Christians, a common way of trying to explain the Trinity is the use of elaborate analogies.

[@deepreflections1853]

God bless and protect you all, dear brothers! Please, stay safe in Christ. May God protect you from any muslim or any body else who may seek to destroy your lives in retaliation for revealing the truth. May your enemies never win against you in Jesus name!

[@MegaTRUTH007]

What part of Only don’t you guys get ?

[@MegaTRUTH007]

Bronze , If the Son of God says to God Almighty you are the only true God why would you insist that statement was not true & want to include the Son of God as another person who is also God Almighty alongside his God ? 🤔🤔

[@MegaTRUTH007]

Bronze , Jesus was made Lord by God Almighty ! Acts 2:36

[@grantknott]

Exactly brother, Trinitarians conveniently skip over the father and the son’s teachings. Twisting is a prerequisite of the Trinitarian

[@grantknott]

@@MegaTRUTH007 Well said

[@grantknott]

@@MegaTRUTH007 Yes, Trinitarians don’t like to talk about the book of acts. Especially chapter 2

[@herutkejebokejebo7338]

jesus,is,lord,of,lord,king,of,king

[@salman13]

without and evidence. this is true..

[@kolinstewart1254]

Very Nice

[@philcrown8724]

Well done sirs

[@abdulhakimomar3850]

did he ibrahim believe in trinity the more they try explain trinity the more confusion

[@EugenioCarmo]

Hey Al Fadi! Sam Shamoun in 3:54" was right again. He did say Chapter 9-30 of the Qur'an (in 3:38"). Thank you for your amazing videos. Jesus bless

[@zahiromare]

The idea that the Father is the only true God came from Jesus and is from the Bible. If Christians refused to believe this, then, they can throw out the gospel of John from the Bible. The same their predecessors had done to other gospels in the past.

[@terrancerucker5425]

How did it come from Jesus when I can find verses similar to it mentioned in the Old Testament “Now, O Lord our God, deliver us from his hand that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that You alone, Lord, are God.”

[@TheMdro]

How can this verse be misunderstood? Jesus says his Father is the ONLY true God. Trinitarians will twist English to prove a false point. This is ridiculous

[@yassineoussiomar1912]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6TJpJiOittprLM kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4iolZ59lLxnqdk that why we belive as muslims that jesus was a messenger of god not a god himself use english sub and read psaumes 84 it's clearly mentionne the prophete mohammed and mecca(BECCA) in suaide arabie

[@keep3alini664]

not the father ALONE tho given that in his epistle John calls christ the only true god,showing u dont read the bible like that www.christiancourier.com/articles/835-does-john-17-3-negate-the-deity-of-christ

[@supergoji7511]

Watch the video before barking DOG.

[@philipvillalobos670]

How we twisting?

[@ron_clifford]

You can only claim that if you first ignore ALL of what came before and after this statement and reveals your complete lack of understanding of OT scriptures

[@abdulhakimomar3850]

only means doenst not means only for those three lair so when jesus said the father is only true god i have a question when jesus was on earth was he one god or 1/3 of god if yr answer is yes he was one god then who is the father and holiy spirit because we had already one god

[@loveit4u]

⅓ of God❗️ It’s 1 multiplied by 1 multiplied by 1 which equals 1❗️ Father x Jesus x Holy Spirit = Almighty God the Creator❗️ Not the wrong teaching of the muslims: Father is 1 God + another God Jesus + another God Holy Spirit = 3 Gods which is 1 add 1 add 1 equals 3; which muslims are taught‼️

[@beppiek]

JESUS IS LIKE A PROXY OF SORTS

[@alikoubrujup_Italia]

17 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

[@cnuakoako6246]

Many are misinterpreting or misconception of John 17:3 and other bible verses bec.of the use of the phrase only true God or one God (the Father) and some used those verses to deny divinity or deity of Jesus.They believe they are correct in their interpretation bec.of the strong word only or one,but does not,they are wrong. The being only true God or one God (the Father) refers to the degree of his divinity or deity, he was the only God among the gods either in heaven or in earth who's has the highest degree of divinity or deity. if we consider the whole context of the bible YHWH or the Father one of his title name is “God Most High” , “ Lord Most High”or “ God the Highest” , “ God of gods" as a true God he was the only who has the highest degree of divinity or being God,being the origin and the creator of all things.and in comparison to all the gods or so called gods either in heaven or in earth emphasizing from the beginning up to the end no so called gods can supercede him, he is the Supreme God or the most powerful and greatest God. Jesus is also true God bec.he is the Son of God, but of them as true God, the Father is greater than Jesus.(John 14:28) So the correct interpretation of only true God (God the Father), as being true God, “God Most High”, “God the Highest”, “ God of gods”….

[@ungaghali3485]

Trust me was waiting for a concrete explanation but, you explained nothing. The two are completely different entities. The Father is greater than Jesus, he sent him, and gave him authority. The sender and giver of authority can not and NEVER be same as the one sent and one given authority. This is not astronomical science, it's simple English.

[@user-sjduhnd178]

Yeah,me too i didnt understand anything about what he said,he just explained all other verses in john,without explaining clearly verse 17:3

[@yassineoussiomar1912]

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[@yassineoussiomar1912]

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[@grantknott]

Yep, simple basic reading comprehension. They try to change the rules of language to fit their doctrine. Pitiful really

[@keep3alini664]

u are a rookie the greek word in John 14:28 doesnt imply greater in nature all the time as the word meizon is used to describe john the baptist in Matthew 11:11.Context determines the meaning of the word.The father is greater insofar as jesus took on the form of a servant at the incarnation but they are of the same essence.Its not just a simple read tho look at the greek and u will be able to tell rookie.As for John 17:3 refer to hilary for the answer he posited against the arians who u argue like hint christ doesnt exclude himself as the word ALONE isnt there also 1 John 5:20 with the greek article

[@user-st1uy5wz2t]

Jesus is my Lord and my God

[@sarahuzzi-daniel6490]

When Sam says 'it gets even worse', it's like a housing agent showing a potential house buyer hidden features and assets of the property, He keeps your interest locked

[@kafirlindaclark6148]

Poor Muslims ONLY know what their Imam tells them. They are not ABLE to start from the BEGINNING OF THE chapter, because it scares them.

[@mrlionheart9953]

Too powerful for the devil's children

[@noyonbhai1440]

Very funny discussion among a group of liars. Mr Bikini Wood couldnt address John 17:3 at all. Mr Halfpant Sam also couldnt address John 17:3. He got it more worse. Jesus said " I'm going to my father and your father." Jesus said " Father is greater than I, greater than all." Jesus said " I by myself can do nothing. As I hear I obey."

[@UltimatePiccolo]

If you've come to this video, you've already realized that the Trinity is wrong, and you came to listen to David Wood's mental gymnastics. Like it or not, your Bible says that God sent Jesus, it separates God from Jesus because Jesus is not God. The Old Testament also does that. No follower of Moses believed that God had a son, daughter, brother, sister, wife. Christians are the only ones who believe that God would lower himself in that way, because Paul perverted Jesus' true message from God.

[@yaggyone2122]

@@UltimatePiccolo Hello ultimate picco, I believe that God is the father and Jesus is not God. However Im curious as to why you think Paul perverted Jesus's true message?

[@jackma3730]

@Christian Man no you dummy. Paul was not a disciple of jesus. how can he speak about jesus if he never saw him. is like me telling about the life of michael jackson i details. would you believe it if i tell you some details he said. NO

[@bensaid5807]

Read this Corinthians 11:3, ESV: "But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God." 1 Corinthians 11:3, KJV: "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

[@bigmanjoe3603]

Ok what's the point? They still teach same thing

[@pop3stealth97]

Great verse 🙏🏾

[@PreparelikeJoseph]

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[@Tp99608]

The word head in greek also means source pal. The source of every man is christ as we are made in his image, the source of every woman is the man because eve came from Adams side. The source of christ is God because he is the son of God amen 🙏 ✝️☦️

[@Tren-bh7sp]

So Jesus has a father that give him power.

[@fuzailkhan2063]

When he said only ....Then u can't put your words that he is not excluding holy spirit and himself....This words can be put only if we presuppose that there exist a Trinity Christian apologetics need to learn more on interpretations..

[@imsamiurrahman]

John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. This verse clearly proves that The Father is the only true God and Jesus Christ (pbuh) is a messenger. Jesus Christ (pbuh) is a prophet and the Messenger of Allah (SWT)

[@cslewis1404]

No it does not!

[@cslewis1404]

“If you have seen me , you have seen the Father! “ Jesus said this!

[@Armenian.Miaphysite]

Do you even watch the video lol 😂

[@imsamiurrahman]

@@cslewis1404 it doesn't mean that Jesus (pbuh) is the Father lol

[@imsamiurrahman]

@@cslewis1404 John 20:17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” Hope this makes any sense to you.

[@radistyaarbein4359]

this is funny, they left john 17:3 untouched by talking about other verses XD

[@jasonrobert851]

It's funny how ignoring you are

[@radistyaarbein4359]

@@jasonrobert851 John 17:3 is the kryptonite of trinitarian, trinitarian y'all done mann alhamdulillah, shout out to who ever that put John 17:3 in the bible.

[@jasonrobert851]

@@radistyaarbein4359 even if this did go against the trinity it also goes against Islam and if you watch it honestly you'll see they did in fact answer the John 17:3 it's funny like to pick and choose but don't read all of John gospel

[@radistyaarbein4359]

@@jasonrobert851 LOL, you the one that funny here, you try to reject the things that Jesus himself said in the red ink writing of bible, lets read John 17:3 "Jesus PRAYED that we would CON TO KNOW HIM and HIS FATHER. And this is this is life eternal, that they might know thee (THE FATHER) THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou (THE FATHER) hast sent." its already exclude any other than the father is not the true god. trinitarian y'all done, you're finished.

[@radistyaarbein4359]

@@jasonrobert851 im sorry but John 7:13 is not against Islam, it's fit with the thing that Quran teach that Jesus is only a prophet that was sent by The God Allah. I BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH, AND JESUS IS THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH, ALLAHUAKBAR!

[@nafiboitv5382]

Well no matter how hard u try to destroy islam, still your pastors and priest keep on reverting to islam.

[@theone2868]

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us understanding so that we can know the true God. And now we live in fellowship with the true God because we live in fellowship with his Son, Jesus Christ. *He is the only true God*, and he is eternal life.

[@normanmcdermid1951]

This passage definately does mention two. It separates God from Jesus........clearly.

[@ken440]

yes it does. and the way these guys apply their logic is also wrong saying that disproving trinity disproves christianity... not at all. It just shows the trinity myth lodged like a wound in christianitys side.

[@muhammedshanushan3931]

Wow Watched the entire video and could not find anything regarding the subject, John 17:3 is self explanatory and verses is he quoted is not ,it needs your spin on it

[@grantknott]

Yep, they sure danced around it didn’t they?

[@khalphanyusufu5008]

David Wood and his legendary apple laptop

[@moiezr2373]

He Literally Just Quoted Verses From the Bible to explain his point, little does he know that we as muslims believe that the bible is corrupted, whilst some verses are true ,it is corrupted, thats why it has so many contradicting statements,i personally dont find this answer satisfactory, peace and much love

[@CIRAInternational]

Moiez R here is the stupidity of your comment... the whole point behind this video series is to teach illiterate people like you not to ever dare to use the Bible to twist the meaning of its verses to suite your pathetic argument... you guys have no problem using the Bible until we teach how you should use it, then all of a sudden the dumb corruption argument starts again!

[@salman13]

@@CIRAInternational and you are not illiterate. tell me what does the verse mean when he is saying I am the alpha and the omega. before oyu reply...make sure you ask the holy ghost/spirit just in case for inspiration before you write your answer.

[@osumanaaa9982]

Wow ! I like how he just interprets Quranic verses the way he like... Huge face palm.

[@sub7se7en]

In regards to John 17:3, I have read the following verses. And they in no way negate the outright clear declaration that ONLY the father is the true God. There is no way around that. In regards to the glory Jesus had before the world this does not mean he literally existed yet nor does it make him God. If, for arguments sake we do say it means he existed before the world, that still does not make him God. Just like in Hebrews 7:3 how Melchizedek is described with no beginning, this can mean he's eternal. He is literally described with certain things that are reserved for God. Would make him the 4th part of a Godhead? We know that's not the case. The truth is Jesus' glory existed in the knowledge of God. Just like in the following verse: Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.” We know Jeremiah did not literally exist before his birth so that he could be known, set apart, and appointed. This is akin to the Glory Jesus had before the world. On top of all this, the glory Jesus had is not the glory God has. Isaiah 42:8 "I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." We see here God does not share his glory with anything. John 17:22 "I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one" This is in regards to the disciples. So if Jesus has given his glory to the disciples, and God does not give his glory to anyone that demonstrates that the glory Jesus has is not the same glory God has, furthermore, it demonstrates that Jesus is not God because if he would he would not be giving his own glory as Isaiah 42:8 confirms God does not give his glory to others.

[@arlkai9884]

God will not give His glory to another, which makes Jesus’ High Priestly Prayer all the more astounding, because in it Jesus prayed, “And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.” Im afraid that you forgot John 17:5. Why use verse 22 of chapter 17 when you would understand Jesus has the same glory because He had that glory with the Father before the world existed. You’re twisting the scripture.

[@sub7se7en]

@@arlkai9884 I can say something similar. Why use verse 5 of chapter 17 when you would understand Jesus is not the father and the father is the ONLY true god? And I already addressed John 17:5 in my original comment. I didn't mention it explicitly, but I addressed the glory bit. I'll go into more detail here. We'll go through 1-5. John 17:1-5 1 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. So Jesus looked towards the heavens and he is addressing the father. He wishes to be glorified so that he may glorify the father. The father GRANTED him authority (God does not need to be granted anything) over them so that Jesus can give eternal life (remember, on the Father's authority, not Jesus') to those who the Father GAVE to Jesus (once again, Jesus was without and The Father granted). Then the best part, eternal life is what? knowing that The Father is the ONLY true God (which excludes Jesus as he is not the father), and Jesus Christ was sent by the Father (i.e. the ONLY true God). Jesus says he brought glory to the father by doing the work he was given. Two issues here. One, God is not given work, he gives work. Two, how is his work finished if he has not yet been crucified? Something to chew on. Now this is the bit where Christians think they have something. You really put emphasis on this verse. "glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began". Interest. Sounds like he's God, right? How else could he have glory in the father's presence before the world began? So first and foremost, John 17:5 (nor the other verses) in no way negates the outright clear declaration that ONLY the father is the true God. There is no way around that. I'm going to repeat this part from the first comment. In regards to the glory Jesus had before the world this does not mean he literally existed yet nor does it make him God. If, for arguments sake, we do say it means he existed before the world that still does not make him God. Just like in Hebrews 7:3 how Melchizedek is described with no beginning. It's ambiguous and can certainly be interpreted to mean he's eternal. He is literally described with certain things that are reserved for God. Would that make him the 4th part of a Godhead? We know that's not the case. The truth is Jesus' glory existed in the decree of God. Just like in the following verse: Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.” We know Jeremiah did not literally exist before his birth so that he could be known, set apart, and appointed. Or in this verse: Luke 11:50 “That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;” Does that mean those prophets literally existed before the world's foundation and shed their blood? No. They only existed in the foreknowledge of God. Both of these passages are akin to the Glory Jesus had before the world. I used verse 22 for a very important reason, but so you don't accuse me of twisting scripture I'll include the context too. "20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one- 23 I in them and you in me-so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me." So these verses make reference to that same glory being applied to future believers. According to John 17:20, this is in regards to believers who are not yet born, yet Jesus says they already have that glory in John 17:22. It's already been given to them. How can they have that glory and they are not yet born? The same way Jesus had glory with the father before the world began, before he existed. In the knowledge of God. Also, note that Jesus is giving HIS glory to those believers. Does God give his own glory to anyone? The glory Jesus had is absolutely not the glory God has because we know as, a matter of fact, that God does not give his glory to others. In Isaiah God says the following: Isaiah 42:8 "I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." So if Jesus has given his glory to the others in John 17:22 and God does not give his glory to anyone that demonstrates that the glory Jesus has is not the same glory God has. Furthermore, it demonstrates that Jesus is not God because if he were he would not be giving his own glory as God does not give his glory to others. This is the confusion Christian doctrine results in. Islamic doctrine is pure and clear. One God, no partners, and nothing like unto him. Read Surah Ikhlaas (chapter 112 in the Quran) and you'll see the simplicity and beauty of the true concept of God.

[@arlkai9884]

@@sub7se7en I used verse 5 because it’s a continuation of the chapter. If you read one sentence of a chapter, you’ll have no idea what’s going on. And you didn’t really address it, you just jumped to a verse in Hebrews that doesn’t address anything regarding the deity of Christ. Here are a couple verses for you regarding the deity of Christ. John 8:58 and Colossians 1:15-20. Interested to hear what you have to say about these. In John 8:58, Jesus claims the very title of God that God uses in Exodus to refer to Himself. But regarding Priest Melchizedek this is quite simple I would say. Priest Melchizedek has no genealogy tracking back to him for a couple reasons, that he is an angelic being or that priest Melchizedek is an appearance of Jesus Himself. Either this refers to the continuation of the priestly order of Melchizedek, or it is evidence that Melchizedek was actually Jesus appearing in the Old Testament. Jesus’ priesthood does remain to this day, and into eternity. Regarding Jesus’ dependence on the Father, this is quite simple as well. Jesus upon the incarnation surrendered the use of His divine attributes unless it was at the bidding/approval/the will of the Father. So Jesus not knowing the hour does not diminish His deity, rather we can look in other places where Jesus exercised His divine knowledge. However, what I would like is to examine is John 10:30. “I and the Father are one.” Jesus here, within context, claims to be one with the Father. Now this, in context would mean that Jesus is one in essence/equal in nature, which would directly mean that Jesus is God and shares the eternal purpose and eternal will of the Father. Must I mention that Jesus forgave sins. Who possesses the authority to give eternal life? Only God. Who can assess the state of the heart and determine that they can inherit eternal life? Only God. Who alone is the eternal judge? Only God. This would mean Jesus is God. We also have even mentioned John 1 where it is so clearly speaking about Jesus. Which would also mean Jesus is God. I don’t think you understand that Isaiah 42:8 just means Jesus is God. It is important to understand that Jesus shares in the glory of the Father. Jesus prayed, And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. (John 17:5) If God the Son and God the Father each share glory, and the LORD shares His glory with no one, it means that the Father and the Son are the LORD God. The LORD God - Yahweh - is one God in Three Persons You see, your claim that Jesus had this glory before He was created is not accurate to what the scripture says at all. Jesus was never created. Jesus is classified as the Word of God. Which would mean that Jesus is eternal as John 1 says.

[@arlkai9884]

@@sub7se7en I have read some of the Quran and I came to the conclusion of the affirmation of the previous scriptures. This is the dilemma that I have with the Quran: We did reveal the Torah (Tawrat), wherein is guidance and a light ... Q5:44 And already have we written in the Psalms (Zabur) after the reminder that the earth shall my righteous servants inherit.' Q21:105 Subsequent to them, we sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the previous scripture, the Torah. We gave him the Gospel (Injil), containing guidance and light, and confirming the previous scriptures, the Torah, and augmenting its guidance and light, and to enlighten the righteous. Q5:46 Claims: 1. The Quran is preserved 2. The previous revelations are corrupt 3. God’s word does not change 4. The Quran, Torah, Psalms and gospel are all Allah’s words So the Torah, Pslams and Gospel are all Allah’s words and the Torah, Pslams and Gospel that we have today are corrupted. 1. Some of Allah’s words are preserved 2. Some of Allah’s words are corrupted Premise: the Quran is Allah’s word Conclusion: The Quran could be corrupt The main problem: 1. Allah is a weak god that could not protect his previous revelations. And apparently he gains more power over time because he can somehow protect the Quran now. 2. Allah is also unjust because he is okay with people being misled by his previous counterfeit revelations. And he will still punish people with hellfire even though they have not come to the realization that Allah allowed it to become corrupted. Therefore, concluding Allah as unjust. There is a decision to make here though: 1. The Quran preserved and the previous revelations are corrupted. However, this would then imply that Allah is weak and unjust which are not characteristics that can be associated with God. 2. The Quran is corrupted with the other previous revelations. However, in that case then you should read the Bible and see what it has to say. 3. The previous revelations are preserved and so is the Quran. However you run into a big problem if you pick number 3. 4. The Quran is corrupted and the previous revelations are preserved. Which means you should stop reading the Quran and read the previous revelations. I.e Torah, Pslams and Gospel. If you pick 3 then you run Into this problem: the Quran and Torah, Pslams and Gospel contradict each other on many essential points such as salvation, which is a pretty big deal. Plus you run into the problem of why would Allah cause such confusion? Number 3 results in the Quran being the false message which cannot be from God because God is not the author of confusion. God cannot reveal a message that contradicts his previous messages.

[@sub7se7en]

@@arlkai9884 I did address verse 5, in quite a bit of detail too. None of those verses you provided explicitly state that Jesus is God. They're all ambiguous and can be interpreted in more than one way. For example, Colossians 1:15 says that Jesus is made in the image of God. So? Adam was too. Do you really need me to go into detail on these vague verses? The fact is Jesus himself, explicitly and in no ambiguous terms said the ONLY true god is the Father. In John 8:58, he does not claim to be God either. He says "I am", which isn't even what it says in the Old Testament. The Hebrew actually says "I will be what I will be". If you want to take that as a name, then that's up to you. It doesn't seem like a name to me. And there is alternative translation for John 8:58 which says "I am the man". Paul also uses "I am" in Acts 26:29. Does that make him God? I could go on, but I think I made my point. That verse doesn't make Jesus God. The fact is, it's not an explicit statement indicating that he is God. What is an explicit statement is saying that ONLY the father is God. There's no way around that. In regards to Melchizedek, you're just guessing. He's described the same way as God is, so why aren't you adding him to the Godhead? I think that's inconsistent. Jesus surrendered the huse of his divine attributes? So he wasn't God? Him not knowing the hour absolutely diminishes his deity. If God is allknowing and Jesus did not know then that means he cannot be God. It's quite simple. John 10:30 is another ambiguous verse. How does John 10:30 indicate that Jesus has the same essence as the father? Nowhere is that indicated in the surrounding verses. In fact, he says that God has given people to him, and God does not need anything given. And if saying that he and the father are one makes him God, then the followers of Jesus must also be God, in John 17:22 it says " I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one- " So if his followers also become one, then shouldn't they all be added to the Godhead? Jesus forgiving sins is not unique to him, and it is a weak argument. John the Baptist also forgave sins in Mark 1. In John 20 the disciples can also forgive sin. So if being able to forgive sins means you're god then we need to add 13 more persons to the Godhead. And Jesus does not have any authority, other than what the father gave him. If he was God, he would not need any authority given to him. That's actually confirmation that he cannot be God. Isaiah 42:8 has nothing to do with Jesus. How are you going to claim that means Jesus is God? Rather, what it shows is that Jesus cannot be God because Jesus shares his glorly, but God does not share his. It really sounds like you're not reading my replies carefully. Nowhere does it indicate that The Father and the Son share glory. Rather, it shows the father has given glory (nowhere does it indicate that it is the father's glorly) to the son. On top of that, in the verse I provided previously it shows that Jesus gave the glory that was given to him to his followers, which eliminates him as God, because God does not share his glory. Please, do not be closed minded. Do you not understand how you're being inconsistent? Stop playing these games. John 17:3 is clear, and the verses you provide are ambiguous. Jesus is not God, even according to the Bible.

[@gracewanje4291]

Amen 🙏🙏

[@MO9ALA7]

The sender is not the sent one

[@user-wo6ge5lz3m]

You can’t ignore what’s in the bible, it clearly says the father is the only true god. Muslims say the bible is corrupted, meaning there are still Legitimate verses in it. Very simple why didn’t Jesus speak once about trinity, his divinity or him being worshipped? Deep Inside you can’t ignore that little voice challenging you. Give up your ego and come to a common word.

[@grantknott]

Yep, Jesus, the apostles, the prophets, kings, all Jews were not Trinitarians. They never preached or taught it. Almighty God never spoke of it. Many times he used the singular personal pro noun referring to himself ( either me, myself, I, on my own, by myself) these guys simply don’t listen to the father and the son. They imagine and twist the holy texts to their own peril

[@user-wo6ge5lz3m]

@@grantknott Are you a Unitarian or..?

[@grantknott]

@@user-wo6ge5lz3m If that means I’m against Trinitarian thinking then yes

[@user-wo6ge5lz3m]

@@grantknott Interesting tell me about your believes?

[@grantknott]

@@user-wo6ge5lz3m Judging by your comments, they are similar to yours

[@quaerite_sapientiam]

John 17:1-3 In-Context 1 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. 6 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. 7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. If you still believe Jesus is the only true God, then please check your reading understanding skills, cause Jesus clearly states here in all those verses that He is doing only what the Father has sent him to do, don't you see how Jesus looks like a prophet more than the God himself, God himself will Have a different attitude, he will be referring to himself not to his Father all the time. Use your critical minds, use your minds to get to the truth, I'm not saying be a Muslim, forget about Islam, just look into your bible books, look to how much they are trying to hide s many facts that prove Jesus was only a messenger, yes they ch aged some wordings to say Jesus is a son and he is one with God, but Jesus is not God because he never said he was, he never said “I’ God” or he never said “worship me”, can you believe that you are worshiping a God who never ever ever said not even once said “I’m God”, I mean how hard is that For God to say, it shouldn't be like that, but it is, that's why the only true God sent Muhammed to bring humanity back to the original message, we worship the same God, but Jesus is been left to people like these in this video to talk about him and make him God. I mean just look at their eyes, the evil in their eyes is undeniable. Wake up Christinians friend, I know you are better than that.

[@hanthiam6037]

Read the verses 2 you might be understand

[@quaerite_sapientiam]

@@hanthiam6037 no! You read it fellow Christian, you read, God granted him, don’t you sense that Jesus is not able to do anything other than what the father allows him to, how can you worship Jesus, I can’t believe in our times with advanced civilization, you still worship a man, you worship a human being to be God, wake up, God is never gonna be anything else other than Islamic faith, This is not because I’m a Muslim, it’s because I use my brain and I reason, don’t be scared to face reality, you will be free at last.

[@user-st1uy5wz2t]

why didn't the slave owner muhammad pray standing up like Jesus did

[@IamRo29]

He is not able to do anything alone, because father is always with him. Father is one true god, and it doesn't mean Jesus is separate from his father. He is the word of his father and God himself in human form.

[@quaerite_sapientiam]

@@IamRo29 I don’t know if you understand what you are saying my friend, you said “HE CAN’T do anything ALONE”. I wonder if you still talking about JESUS, YOUR LORD IN HUMAN FORM. Because that statement is actually a strong reason why Jesus cannot be GOD. And since you think that way, you are not far from being a Muslim. Because we also love Jesus, and we believe he can’t do anything alone, he needs the only true GOD, you Calle him the father, became your text has been changed and corrupted, but we call him ALLAH, that’s his name my freind, that’s the real GOD, as Muslims says “THE #ONLY WORTHY OF WORSHIP”. May Allah guide you to the truth even more friend.

[@shaheenmiah-rt5os]

Proto-Trinitarianism was not even necessarily the default position of the bishops of the Roman Empire in the middle of the fourth century. For example, the high-ranking bishop of Constantinople, Macedonius, endorsed a non-Trinitarian position: Towards the middle of the fourth century, Macedonius, Bishop of Constantinople, and, after him a number of Semi-Arians, while apparently admitting the Divinity of the Word, denied that of the Holy Ghost. One of the most astounding historical facts about the Trinity is that the earliest Church Fathers who promoted a proto-Trinitarian belief (such as Tertullian and Origen) were all later condemned by the Roman Catholic Church as heretics. On the other hand, Church Fathers such as Ignatius, Polycarp and others, who taught a binitarian (not Trinitarian) view, are today considered to be saints by the Roman Catholic Church. This demonstrates the frivolity of assigning labels like orthodox and heretic in the early Church, as the orthodoxy of one age can (and did) become the heresy of the next. We need to be more nuanced in our discussion of these subjects. We shouldn’t evaluate these different views about Jesus as a popularity contest, but rather on the strength of the arguments that each view puts forward. We’ve seen that early Christianity was widely diverse, and that different groups of Christians in the ancient world held varying, even contradictory, points of view about the nature of Jesus. By the sixteenth century, the Trinity had a virtual monopoly in Christian thought. So dominant was the doctrine of the Trinity that toeing the line of orthodoxy was a matter of life and death. Michael Servetus was a sixteenth century Spanish theologian whose interpretations of the Bible brought him into conflict with the Church. In 1531 CE, Servetus published the book “Errors of the Trinity”, in which he said those who believed in the Trinity were really Tritheists (believers in three gods). He was condemned as a heretic and burnt alive atop a pyre of his own books How did the Trinity go from being just another belief about Jesus to a position of absolute dominance to the point where dissent could cost you your life? We will now turn our attention to the tides of history to see just how the Trinity came to be the dominant, orthodox position of Christianity today.

[@vrxxx1262]

As a critical thinking there’s only two questions?

[@omarmohamed3473]

"Miracle of reinterpretation"

[@TH3-ON3]

🤣 this guys trick themselves, damn hilarious 🤣😂🤣

[@cslewis1404]

You’re talking about Muslims?

[@abbasnguma6646]

What are these dudes try to clarify?they seem to go back and forth so much confussion! !!

[@bigmanjoe3603]

Try to understand or learn proper English😂 because that what happens when you try to explain things so that you can clarify them.

[@smooth2477]

@@bigmanjoe3603 he is right they never addressed John 17:3 they just ran in circles

[@revealed9271]

The fact is that TRUTH IS HARD TO DEBUNK. Look how confused these guys are. All they were trying to do was to try and dodge the verse 3 and justify their belief with other misinterpreted verses.🤣🤣🤣.

[@J-PLeigh8409]

He is demonstrating very clearly that Jesus is Lord, the same & only God of & by using the holy scriptures, New & Old Test, Christ is God in flesh. Anyone not devoid of the Spirit of truth knows this

[@johnsonlalrinsanga4628]

Study language and you'll know what they mean! 😀

[@janieali5521]

How do people believe in such confusion, and the three devils 😈 can really twist the scriptures. Amazing to see how clear John 17:3 and so many others verse.

[@Ryan_Zell]

Both Islam and Protestants twist the scriptures You cannot trust them.

[@ex-muslimtestimonies001]

@@Ryan_Zell Comparing Muslims to Protestants 🤦‍♂️

[@Ryan_Zell]

Did not Islam claim that their allah corrected scripture in the Old Testament

[@salman13]

@@Ryan_Zell LOL What is the first and most important commandment? The father, who is not a man , nor a son of man , is ONE. Whatever verse you speak , if that is mentioned everything else is secondary. Hence to understand John 17, you have to focus first and foremost in THE ONLY TRUE GOD. After you see that THE ONLY TRUE GOD sent Jesus, then you understand the following correctly. God knew us even before we were born. Jeremiah 1:5. If God knew Jesus before he was born, then God also knew Jesus was the person he'd send. This does not make him equal and eternal. if it did, then, pretty much we all are eternal because God knew us all before.

[@Ryan_Zell]

@SalmoTheFirst Where are you getting the BS from. What is the name of the cult you belong too?

[@whatsinaname1305]

David @ 1:45 "God is the only God" No, Jesus says the Father is the Only God, hence Jesus is refuting the Trinity.

[@peat381low8]

This is my favorite passage. Why is this not your favorite passage? The Father is the only true God. If someone says “this is my only pencil” are you going to say otherwise. Christianity is true. Because Jesus said that his God and Father is the only true God. What does the word “Only” mean? Ask you former English teacher. And see what he or she will tell you. You are reading a Hebraic writing from the eyes of westerners 2,000 years later. Most Christians don’t know that the Hebrews like very different than pagan philosophy that western countries are influencing its people today. You need to see that the Triune God doctrine is a false doctrine made by the Catholic Church. And it’s time to prevent this doctrine from twisting the whole Bible for the sake of a pagan theology.

[@yaxeeparty2462]

@@Hello-ro8fq Jesus clearly said only the Father is the true God. John 17:3 " Now this is eternal life; that they know YOU, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whome you have sent". Who is the 'YOU' in Jesus statement. John 10:30 " The Father and I are" JOHN 17:21 says that the deciples and father are also one. Those that mean that the deciples are also God

[@yaxeeparty2462]

@@Hello-ro8fq It does. John 10:30 "The Father and I are One" John 17:21 "I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one-as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me." It's very clear above that Jesus says the same thing about the deciples. I did study the Bible and here are my references quouting from your Bible. If you are relying on John10:30 where Jesus says the Father and I are one, then what you stand for is not the truth. Because John 17:21 clearly states what he meant. Or you are saying that the deciples are a part of God too. This is according to your Bible not just from me. Do your research and you will understand that Jesus Preached to people to submit to a Unitarian God(the Father). Same thing Moses, Jacob, Solomon, and Muhammad (peace and blessings of God be upon the) did. They all worshipped a Unitarian God. The Doctorine Trinity was Established by the Catholic Church 300 years after the death of Jesus. You are the ignorant one. Go and do your research. Jesus was a messenger of God just like Prophet Muhammad (pbut), which is the last messenger of God. And prophet Muhammed is even prophesied in the Bible but you are too blind to see it. Even if I give you a reference and you see it for yourself you will still deny it.

[@yaxeeparty2462]

@@Hello-ro8fq lol. Do more research. I understand that you are passionate about your religion and I respect that, but if you love Jesus, you will follow his teachings. Not the teachings of your pastors or anyone, but the teachings of Jesus Christ. Do more research on the Bible and you will see that Jesus Preached to people to worship a Unitarian God (The Father) and he never claimed to be God or says that we should worship him. Instead he said, The Father is greater than him and he cannot do anything with his own accord but only with the Help of the father. If you love Jesus, then follow his teachings. Do your research and understand what Jesus wants you to do, not what your pastor preaches. And the verse you quoted was talking about the anti-christ (Dajjal) not prophet Muhammad. I'll tell you were Muhammad (pbuh) was prophesied by Jesus in the Bible. JOHN 16: 12-14 ¹²"I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear ¹³But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. ¹⁴He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you." And that is not the only place he was prophesied in the Bible. I'll give you more references but let's deal with JOHN 16: 12-14 first. Do you see what Jesus said, He will not speak of his on will,he will speak only what he hears, He will tell you what is yet to come..... And the last point I want to focus on is:👇👇 "He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you." JESUS SAID HE WILL GLORY ME.... Now let me ask you this question. Which Religion on this Earth Glorifies JESUS more than any other religion on this Earth??

[@yaxeeparty2462]

But he says that "I pray that they will be one, JUST AS YOU AND I! ARE ONE!". ??????!! Then he added. " And may they be in us... "

[@yaxeeparty2462]

@@Hello-ro8fq you said that you are an ex Muslim. You claimed to be Muslim but you were never a Muslim. Because if you understand the Qur'an you wouldn't leave Islam. Let as you this. Why did you leave Islam?

[@ahmedbayoumi1345]

To express the Islamic point of view it takes you 2 minutes because it is simple and easy to understand. To explain it from the Christian belief point of view, you need 12 minutes of going back and forth until you make sure that everybody is lost while thinking that you are too smart and deep !

[@CIRAInternational]

Ahmed Bayoumi what I hear you say is that a lost sinner who follows a deceitful god and a wicked imposter knows best what our Word of Truth says, better than us! It took my 30 seconds to share this thought with you!

[@ahmedbayoumi1345]

@@CIRAInternational I listened to that video 3 times and could not get a clear explanation of John 17:3 itself. You prefer to discuss any other parts of John to cover up this sentence's clear meaning.

[@CIRAInternational]

Ahmed Bayoumi thank you for proving our point! You can’t... not when your motive is not pure and you are not seeking the truth... when you approach the Word of God with fleshly desire you will never understand it... only when you seek spiritual truth that your mind will be able to process the depth of God’s Word of Truth!

[@ahmedbayoumi1345]

@@CIRAInternational I tried to find the truth , but I simply found John 17:3 stating what I need to know, while you are still twisting the scripture to deny what Jesus himself wanted to admit. Jesus peace be upon him was clearly asking people to follow him in order to reach God, but instead people worshiped a virtual triad by mistake. If Trinity had been the core of christianity, it should have been mentioned at least ONCE in the bible instead of making it up hundreds of years after the time of Jesus peace be upon him. My motive was so pure honestly, but I could not find in this video at least any weak rationale to explain John 17:3 itself.

[@CIRAInternational]

Ahmed Bayoumi if you are going to base your faith on John 17:3 without any regard to the entirety of the Word of God, then you are the most naïve and ignorant truth seeker I have ever met. Once again, thank you for revealing your true deceptive motive.

[@malanhemal6574]

Do you know why Augustine try to change John 17:3? Thank you

[@keep3alini664]

lol even if Augustine did try to change it fathers b4 him explained it such as athanasius and basil.It’s not that difficult The one person of Jesus who has a human nature and divine nature is acting as an ideal Jew would which is to worship the father above all over “gods”since that’s what Christ’s mission when he became incarnate.Also John in his epistle calls Jesus the only true god even with the Greek article.Ppl nowadays are obsessed with the either or dialectics Jesus is simply humbling himself and acting as an ambassador of the father.He does this via his human nature but since he is one person with two natures we say Jesus has a god but we don’t stop there we distinguish between the two natures

[@malanhemal6574]

@@keep3alini664 Thank you so much

[@keep3alini664]

@@malanhemal6574 its cool heres a link to explain it further www.christiancourier.com/articles/835-does-john-17-3-negate-the-deity-of-christ

[@hoyotaBEN]

Only meaning only..... Only True God.

[@HK-dd2bo]

Lol, gotta love the part where he says, 'if a muslim says the father is the one and only true God, then they have affirmed the Trinity' - This is delusional

[@grantknott]

Yep, these guys are the Trinity delusion alright. What amazing lengths they go to. They have the gall to say that others twist the scriptures. Unbelievable

[@keep3alini664]

@@grantknott ngl u seem like a rookie in orthodox Christianity-the apostles teach the trinity(concept)in the didache and their students were Trinitarian.It’s not difficult Jesus has a human nature and divine nature which are not mixed so what is said of either of his natures can be applied to the one person.So Jesus does have a god as he became incarnate and a man would have a god to serve .The term is called communicado idiomantium.Simply put as a human Jesus has a god it doesn’t apply to his divine nature even tho the two natures equal one person This ain’t a problem for orthodox Christians.U act like Cyril and Hilary and athanasius didn’t answer this question against the arians.Also Unitarianism didn’t exist till Middle Ages it ain’t apostolic

[@keep3alini664]

@@grantknott the gall to say that great church fathers who knew the apostles directly and were Trinitarian are delusional u are saying the apostles and Christ failed imagine u are the delusional one bro

[@johnchauke7492]

@@grantknott U r right don't mind the Trinitarians

[@djengo77]

You wrote: "Lol, gotta love the part where he says, 'if a muslim says the father is the one and only true God, then they have affirmed the Trinity' - This is delusional" Great drive-by comment from you! Not sticking around to try to explain why you call saying that, "delusional", you just got right to your emotional outburst and then left. Since the doctrine that the Father is the only true God is a tenet of Trinitarianism, to affirm it is to affirm Trinitarianism. Why do you call it "delusional" to say that affirming Trinitarianism is affirming Trinitarianism?

[@GedaliahAR]

AMEN brothers I Just had a very long debate on this...The slaves think they won because Adam was sent from Heaven...... Then we got into Adam and MY LORD were created by the word BE... LOL the ISALMIC Adam took years to be created he even had to shout and beg al-lah to finish him

[@GedaliahAR]

@@sayedf11 Hi Sayed, on the contrary..it all depends on which GOD we are talking of..YHVH said let there be LIGHT and there was LIGHT and it was GOOD... Now plz take your stage and show me where al-lah spoke something INTO creation.. ANYTHING ?? Or even show me where he spoke Adam into existence instead of that ridiculous process ....otherwise this SURA you quote is another HUGE lie along with the others.. “The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be.” And he was.” (3:59)

[@profdave4271]

@@sayedf11 abdul is allah not almighty?

[@yassineoussiomar1912]

@@GedaliahAR kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4iolZ59lLxnqdk kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6TJpJiOittprLM use english sub please

[@ChefBoyYeshua]

Hey. Is that actually Rob Christian? There's something about the voice man idk...

[@zulfiqarashraf5619]

Where in bible God himself Said Jesus i need your glorry...God always gave Jesus glorry.he always need God help...Jesus Said i cannot do nothing is God cannot do nothing?

[@grantknott]

Absolutely, they don’t like to talk about these scriptures do they? Quite inconvenient really

[@TheFarouk73]

The more I listened to wood.... the more i get confused

[@keep3alini664]

It’s not difficult bro Jesus didn’t exclude himself from being the only true god he qualified the statement.If he said you ALONE are the only true god then it becomes an issue.The simple explanation is that Jesus is simply humbling himself as any Jew would do before the father.that’s his mission on earth to be the ambassador of the father.When harmonised with the rest of scripture it becomes clear.Read st Hilary of poiters commentary he uses scripture with scripture cos John ain’t stop writing then

[@jesussavedme4221]

wood was being sarcastic at the beginning

[@4321grp]

Nazgul Nazgul , I agree. I wouldn't want to buy a used car from those two guys.

[@leahjames6870]

@@keep3alini664 Jesus DID exclude himself, if you don’t believe he is The Father. If Jesus is separate from The Father, as in a whole other “person” from The Father, then you have a dilemma.

[@beppiek]

@@keep3alini664 as any good Jew would??!!

[@user-fl1hb4ex1v]

They answered.... nothing 😂

[@divinityofblackness6330]

Yes they did. Start at 5:35

[@therealityforyou665]

Divinity Of Blackness they answered nothing john 17:3 destroy the trinity you people are church followers not jesus followers because even when jesus tells you that the father is the only true god you go against him

[@Akhil_Chilukapati]

@@therealityforyou665 If you really believe Jesus words , Jesus called Father , but according to Quran - Allah is Father to none . Jesus himself said : From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised. (Mattew 16:21) And Jesus began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes and be killed, and after three days rise again. (Mark 8:31) saying, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.” (Luke 9:21) But muslims don't believe Jesus died . don't act as if you believe the words of Jesus . Jesus himself said : I and the Father are one.” Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” (John 10:30-33) “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” (John 8:58) Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? (John 14:9) I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. (Revelation 22:12,13) Would you believe these ?

[@boblebeau1363]

Shut up bro

[@MarvelousSquad]

did you not watch the video? 😂

[@cslewis1404]

St Athanasius: Chapter 24. Texts Explained; Eighthly, John 17:3. and the Like. Our Lord's divinity cannot interfere with His Father's prerogatives, as the One God, which were so earnestly upheld by the Son. 'One' is used in contrast to false gods and idols, not to the Son, through whom the Father spoke. Our Lord adds His Name to the Father's, as included in Him. The Father the First, not as if the Son were not First too, but as Origin.

[@GrandDan0is]

What about Matthew 3:17 ?

[@TRFit]

“Before the world began”. That alone should make them run from that passage of scripture.

[@shaheenmiah-rt5os]

The following examples are quite commonly put forward: - The Trinity is like the three parts of an egg: the shell, the white and the yolk. - The Trinity is like three forms of water: ice, liquid and vapour. - The Trinity is like a man who can exist as a father, a son and a husband, all at the same time. Such analogies, however, are highly problematic. The egg analogy doesn’t work because the doctrine of the Trinity states that each person (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) is fully God. One wouldn’t say that the shell is fully an egg, the white is fully an egg or that the yolk is fully an egg. It is only the totality of the three parts (shell, white and yolk) that make a complete egg. The water analogy doesn’t work either, because it implies that God first manifested Himself as Father, then as the Son and then as the Holy Spirit. These ‘forms’ are temporary and never co-exist, thus violating the principle of the doctrine that the persons eternally co-exist. Finally, the man analogy also fails to encompass the doctrine of the Trinity. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit aren’t simply three functions or roles of God, they are said to be three distinct persons. The simple fact is that no analogy will ever be complete. Although this is not appreciated by the average Christian that I encounter on a day-to-day basis, it is something that is fully acknowledged by Christian theologians who freely admit that the Trinity cannot be explained. Many theologians have abandoned all hope of deriving a deep understanding of the doctrine and have resigned themselves to classifying it as a holy mystery. The Catholic Church states: “The mystery of the Most Holy Trinity is the central mystery of Christian faith and life”. The Catholic Church defines mystery in theology as something that remains veiled in darkness: The Vatican Council has explained the meaning to be attributed to the term mystery in theology. It lays down that a mystery is a truth which we are not merely incapable of discovering apart from Divine Revelation, but which, even when revealed, remains “hidden by the veil of faith and enveloped, so to speak, by a kind of darkness. Reconciling the plurality of the godhead, a threeness, within a monotheistic framework, continues to be one of the great challenges faced by Trinitarians. If Trinitarians embraced the polytheism that is inherent in the doctrine and explained it for what it really is - three Gods and not one - then there would be no confusion. The doctrine is inexplicable because Trinitarians try to reconcile a concept of threeness into a monotheistic context which does not, and cannot, fit. How can anyone, or anything, be three things and one thing, all at the same time? The fact is that the Trinity is something that believers must accept on blind faith; it cannot be rationalised. The doctrine of the Trinity is also problematic when we consider the purpose of revelation, which boils down to guidance - the books of God were revealed in order to guide mankind. If guidance results in confusion (or misguidance), then it defeats the purpose of revelation. If the Trinity were some inconsequential aspect of Christian theology, then perhaps its mystery wouldn’t be an issue. But it isn’t; so entrenched has the belief in the Trinity become that it is the litmus test for whether or not a person is considered to be orthodox. Rejecting any aspect of the doctrine is enough for a Christian to be condemned as a heretic. Evangelical scholar Harold Lindsell and seminary professor Charles Woodbridge wrote the following: The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind; but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul. There you have it, “deny the Trinity and you lose your soul.” This reveals a fundamental paradox with the doctrine: why would God reveal something that cannot be fully comprehended, and yet tie our salvation to it? What should we make of all this in the light of the purpose of revelation? Revelation is an opening up, an uncovering. How can the Trinity be a revelation when the most learned of biblical scholars write that it is a mystery? That is double-talk which directly conflicts with the very purpose of revelation: guidance. Today, faith and the Trinity are synonymous in Christian thought. In fact, they are so intertwined that you would think the Trinity must have always been the dominant belief going all the way back to the early Church. As we are going to see, this could not be further from the truth.

[@kamehamehadouken9]

It’s pretty clear, Only true god means Jesus acknowledges there is 1 god... I don’t understand how this can be interpreted otherwise. I don’t mean to trigger/troll anyone, I respect all religions. If anyone is willing to explain this to me, I’d appreciate it. Maybe the verse is taken out of context...

[@Pakman087]

Message is the same from beginning. God is one. There is no trinity in Bible. Jesus never taught that.

[@Dylan_Lino]

Pakman087 the holy trinity is in The bible multiple times

[@salman13]

@@Dylan_Lino only if you look at it with pagan eyes.

[@Tp99608]

@Pakman087 so why did jesus say baptise all nations in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit

[@AnaKatana-dx7oe]

​@@salman13 Says the stone licker who is spiritually blinded by a pdofile prophet called Muhammad may child protection services be upon him.

[@joekeenan6435]

Sam, very, very profound observation at approx 6:00 minutes in (to 6:40 or so). I've been working on an Tolkien essay......this goes a long way to resolving some of the problems before me. Thank you!

[@noahcan7853]

❤️

[@jeremykrieg2062]

V.1 Jesus is the glorified son of God, just as Israel is called a son of God, we as believers are called sons and daughter ... Jesus is the true son, just as Issac was the son of promise. The Messiah, the son of man is given glory my God, as seen in Daniel 7:13-14. V.2 Jesus has been given all authority by God, that is how he can give eternal life to all the Father has given him. John 5:30 "I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me." V.3 Jesus is excluding himself from the Father, and saying that the Father Alone is the One True God. From John 10 : "“We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.” 34Jesus replied, “Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’ ? 35If he called them gods to whom the word of God came-and the Scripture cannot be broken- 36then what about the One whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world? How then can you accuse Me of blasphemy for stating that I am the Son of God? 37If I am not doing the works of My Father, then do not believe Me. 38But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe Me, believe the works themselves, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I am in the Father." Jesus explains himself when he is accused of making him be God ... Jesus first makes a point that the Jewish rulers are called 'gods' in the book of psalms .... then he asks why they are accusing him if he is calling himself by a 'lesser' title as the SON of God. Jesus completely submitted to the will of the Father, Jesus has is own fleshly will and was tempted in all things just like us but he submitted to God completely and was Gods perfect representative 10:15 , the verse doesn't really say that though ... you have to read a lot into it ... I take Jesus for what he said ... the Father is the one true God, there is no one beside him. V.4 The glory was prepared for the Messiah in God's plan before the world was created, a Jewish concept of ideal preexistence. Jesus as the messiah is given glory as God's servant as in Daniel 7:13-14. Acts 2:22 "“Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,[d] put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. " The Father Alone is God, Jesus is the Messiah the SON of God, he walked before God perfectly and taught his disciples about our God and Father and suffered and died according to the scriptures, but in everything did not sin. Then God raised him from the dead ... then Jesus ascended to his Father, and our Father, his God and our God (John 22:17). Now Jesus sits at the right hand of the MOST HIGH, the Father, and is waiting for all authorities to be put under Jesus' feet then at the end the son ( Jesus ) will be made subject to him that God, the Father, will be all in all (1 corinthians 24:28). Jesus is a monotheist, he has a God, the Father, we believe in the same God as Jesus, Jesus thought that God is also our Father. God has raised Jesus to life and made him sit at his right hand, Jesus will return as Messiah and Lord to establish the kingdom of God on Earth. Where righteous rule will be established, there will be peace and there will be no more war. This is such Awesome News :) !! Test all doctrines and hold onto what is true :)

[@pridefulPashtoon]

My father is greater than I My father is greater than all I my own self do nothing as I hear I judge and my judgement is just for I seek not my will but the will of my father . How can one part of God be greater than the other???? How one part of trinity doesn't know and don't do anything.

[@shroomitechromee]

Read the context

[@ardingocarloente6309]

The context is what it says that the lord is one and God is greater than Jesus. How can we derive anything else from those statements.

[@eunicewairimu5015]

Father son and spirit cannot be seperated their are one God