John 17:5 - The Glory Jesus Had with God - by Bill Schlegel

What was the glory that Jesus had "before the foundation of the world?" Bill Schlegel tells his audience at Higher Ground Church in Tennessee that the glory Christ had with the Father was his place of unparalleled honor in the eternal plan of God. That glory came into literal reality after God raised him from the dead, took him up into heaven and seated him at his own right hand.
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[@dekka213l]

Keep this man in the Pulpit on a permanent basis!

[@rosemerrynmcmillan1611]

Amen! Plz Lord look after and protect him!!

[@priscillajervey8345]

Wonderful narrative, simple and easy to comprehend. I don't know why millions of Christians will NOT let Jesus be Jesus and God the Father be exactly WHO they "clearly" confess they are in the holy Writ!!???

[@maxwedgee9633]

Bula, I'm from Fiji, I've been watching from this channel for couple of years now. I'm so thankful that I believe I have found the teachings of the unitarian make so much sense possibly closer to the truth which Jesus came to preach about.I was baptized into the methodist church but I could never comprehend the Trinitarian teachings. Little did I know my dad is a JW, when I became a teenager we then to have started bible study, and so the teachings of the JW made more sense then of the Methodist (Trinitarian). But still i felt that something still didn't make sense with JW teachings about Jesus being Michael in his pre-existing life. I believe my prayers we're answered many years later, so as we speak this happened 3 to 5 years ago, when I came across Anthony buzzards videos. It's like my soul just sort of like gave in. It made more sense, like Sir Anthony always say, there is "harmony" and the word of God won't contradict itself. I don't think we have any Unitarian church in fiji, but I'm thankful to our Father for having amazing people make this channel and be able to reach people around the world who is in search for the truth. Shema Yisrael; Adonai Eloheinu, Adonai echad. God bless. Vinaka(Thank you)

[@kevincloutier1301]

Bill, you are saying things I have thought for years. The Father bless you!

[@bobbycecere1037]

The Micheal stuff is pretty easy. Just look at the parallels. At the end of the day though, Jesus being the Archangel or not is irrelevant. It changes nothing substantial in scripture. The way I look at is now that you know Jesus isn't God and he obviously had a pre-existince in heaven, what was his name before coming to earth? Why wouldn't God's word give us the name of the second most important person in scripture??

[@Eclectifying]

@@bobbycecere1037 if Jesus is God incarnate or an angel, then he is not a man. But Jesus is clearly a man according to the Scriptures. Only a man can die.

[@bobbycecere1037]

@Eclectifying I agree. That's actually one of the reasonings I use on trinitarians who believe Jesus is also God. I ask them which part of God died? Do they think Jesus died at all? I'm fine with not believing he's the Archangel, it's not specifically stated. It's just an assumption. That being said, do you think Christ had a pre-human existence? Did he pop into existence for the very first time inside Mary's womb??

[@bosse641]

By that Spirit of Sonship that He imparted in me, I cried; "Father!" (Galatians 4:6) Not to a 3 teamed God-head. ...but to my Father and God, the one true God.

[@turntogod4410]

It’s so weird how mainstream the trinity false doctrine is. It leaves me wondering are the majority of Christians in the dark or will God forgive it? I don’t see how God would like his church practicing forms of paganism. Also the stubbornness and willful ignorance of most Trinitarians about their doctrine makes me almost not feel bad for them anymore

[@bosse641]

@@turntogod4410 What if most are not true Christians ? Just religious people ? How about Matthew 22:14 ....and Matthew 7:20-23

[@turntogod4410]

John Grytbakk True but it would be hard to understand that the number of true believers in the world is in the thousands or that those people are not considered true believers based solely on a doctrine. There may be a few things here and that we may have doctrinally wrong in other areas but will we be counted out for it? I don’t think so Maybe the difference is the topic of the trinity isn’t just simply a doctrine but a fundamental understanding of who God is. We can’t have any other Gods before him or attribute anyone else to being God and still believe in the one true God.

[@bosse641]

@@turntogod4410 This is eternal life, that they know the Father, the one true God, YHVH, The God of Israel. (John 17:3).... as the Bible points us to. Anything other than that Biblical truth, is not believing in the One True God and in the true Messiah Jesus, the man. ....so they have an-other God and an-other Jesus (2 Corinthians 11:4) So from the Scriptures it seems to me that to know the true God and the true Jesus is crucial.

[@turntogod4410]

John Grytbakk Amen. The word of God is the word of God. Let God be true and every man a liar. No one can come against him and his majesty or over ride him with majority

[@mishkaned7777]

Jesus, Yeshua, already sitting on the right hand of God calls His Father and our Father: "MY GOD" as 4 times in this one verse: Rev 3: 12 The one who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of MY GOD, and he will never again leave it. Upon him I will write the Name of MY GOD, and the name of the city of MY GOD the new Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven from MY GOD, and My new Name.

[@keeptrying_not2late2change]

👍📖✍️🙏

[@calebrandall3802]

I’m trying to tell you!😄 It can’t get any more clearer!

[@oneseekinglight9491]

You can see the excitement and passion in your teaching of the truth to those who will listen.

[@mishkaned7777]

John 1: 15 John testified concerning Him. He cried out, saying, “This is He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because HE WAS BEFORE ME.”

[@Jesavae]

Romans 1:1-9. Jesus’s generation is literally written. 🙏 Amen, thank you

[@yaggyone2122]

Keep it coming Bill!

[@GatheringJacob]

EXCELLENT POINT - calling God Father is a human Messianic expression of the king of Israel!

[@joemiddleton778]

What a great teaching!

[@annehelenetrippestadhasvik4361]

Brilliant teaching! Thank you and may our Father keep blessing your words!

[@MartinVanRijswijk]

A fine, well-researched and argued presentation on John 17.5. This has been helpful in understanding Jesus's critical role as the Messiah in God's plan - thank you!

[@TheWAY_John14.6]

May יהוה bless this ministry in the name of ישוע

[@GatheringJacob]

Bill you beat that horse DEAD 10x’s over! Thank you Bill! I appreciate the strong statements! “Antichrist” & “anti humanity” - ABSOLUTELY! Add God to man, then the man gets swallowed up in deity! Add man to God, then God is no longer Almighty! Your friend was right “God or man” you can’t have them both!

[@priscillajervey8345]

So right!

[@gideonopyotuadebo2304]

When we loose focus of who we are in God Yehovah our father to idolise who someone who acknowledged who he is in God Yehovah we begin to idolize such persons and see nothingness in ourselves unlike the sons of God that God created us to be.

[@jeffreylardizabal3964]

Some things to consider: "Let us make man in our image," - Genesis 1:26 "Let us go down and confuse their language," - Genesis 11:7 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God," -John 1:1 "Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" - John 8:58 "30 I and the Father are one.” - John 10:30 Same as Moses recognized God in the burning bush, Joshua recognized Jesus as Lord in the old testament: Joshua 5:14-15: "14 ...as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? 15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy." The above Christophany speaks to the fact that old and new testament points to ONE God in three persons. God is relational, as John 14:22-27 illustrates: "22 Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” 23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. 25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid." The "we" statement: "and we will come to them ...," and the "I" and "my" statements: "Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you," declaratively speak of the union Jesus has with the Father, and verse 26 seals the union of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Think about the verse: "And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." - Genesis 1:2 The Bible is in no way contradictory about the trinitarian aspect of God as ONE God in three beings. God is relational: John 3: "16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil." The statement "Light has come into the world," is the same statement in John 1: "1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not." There is no heaven without relationships, and certainly yes, we as sons and daughters of God through our belief in Jesus Christ will become such; but to not consider Jesus Christ as "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God," is to miss out on the fact that God came in human form through his only begotten Son," so that we would and could have an understanding of the very personal nature of God to know our sufferings and temptations, yet, did not yield himself to temptation, yet was tempted in all ways as man. I present these in light of what Paul said and we should all keep in mind when considering such things, as I do not see them as something to divide Christians, but must share in order that we do not, just, consider Jesus as Muslims see him: just a prophet and good teacher, which he was much more than that: "12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." - 1 Corinthians 3:12 And finally must share: “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. 9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts." - Isaiah 55:8-9 Many things are beyond me in scripture, but I do not despair in my own thoughts, knowing the peace of God in 1 John 3:20: "20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything." There is much that we might not be able to unravel, but salvation in and through Jesus Christ as our Lord: King of Kings and Lord of Lords, is as easy to see as the repentant sinner on the cross next to Jesus who Jesus said this to: ""Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." - Luke 23:43 That criminal knew not the mysteries of the Bible. He knew and believed in Jesus and was saved that day.

[@numbernine8571]

I challenge you to make a list of the scripture passages you have cited and do a google search on each verse and add the word "unitarian" to each search. Then read the unitarian analysis of each of your verses.

[@priscillajervey8345]

What Jesus said is" Truly I tell you today [ , ] you will be with me in Paradise". Where the comma is placed changes the implications of what Jesus really meant. By the way, Scriptures state Jesus was buried after his death on the cross. Is the grave paradise?? He did not ascend into heaven and sit at God's right hand! In Hebrews God stated " I am not a man NOR a son of man that I should lie!" God NEVER became a human being. Is God also the last/second Adam? How does that work for you? Honestly, I don't know what you trinitarians would do if the most misunderstood John 1:1 wasn't in the Bible.

[@rosemerrynmcmillan1611]

Awesome teaching! Some of the best on the net!!

[@trumenfreight6055]

Please show me where prophecy about glory is mentioned in the verse. Verse 5. Also show me where Christ mentions anything about fulfillment. i dont see it.

[@TRUTHINCHRIST-cw8ke]

@@trumenfreight6055 Is not CHRIST asking GOD in verse 5 to glorify HIM? So if HE is asking to be glorified then the fulfillment will come. Right?

[@trumenfreight6055]

@@TRUTHINCHRIST-cw8ke Too long ago. I cannot remember the context of the question. I am sick of bill's heresy, i caanot watch his video again. Do you want to have a discussion about Christ's pre-existense as the God of Israel.

[@TRUTHINCHRIST-cw8ke]

@@trumenfreight6055 If you mean on the phone? Yes we can.

[@trumenfreight6055]

@@TRUTHINCHRIST-cw8ke That wont be feasible as I am in Zimbabwe. What about this comments section or whatsapp?

[@annehelenetrippestadhasvik4361]

so true!!!

[@yitzharos]

I didnt grow up in the church. They pass down the trinity doctrine as if it is written as Commandment in black and white. But I find and have never seen Yeshua as God. He is not God, He always points us to His Father, our Father, Always. God also had a predestined plan for Salvation. Thus all things were created through this Logos. His Word. We as part of creation were predestined to this plan of Salvation. His former Glory is in purity to Gods mind.He just referring to the Sovereign Plan of God.

[@Jesavae]

Lovely amen

[@grantknott]

Love your work Bill. I have so much ammunition now on John 17:5 to show Trinitarians and preexistence Jesus believers. Convincing them though, is another kettle of fish

[@rosemerrynmcmillan1611]

Too true! They are SO BRAINWASHED!

[@bobbycecere1037]

It's never going to be individuals within the church's you'll have to convince. You'll always be able to convince a few congregants. It's the leaders of Christendoms church's that need to be shown the truth. So long as THEY continue blind, the vast majority of thier sheep will remain so as well. However if scripture is to be believed, it'll never happen.

[@iCaptainOG]

Praise the triune God of Israel 😊

[@priscillajervey8345]

You bet it is - frankly it has been my experience they will turn on you like startled rattlesnake and attack you verbally. So many Christians, can't handle the biblical truth, the biggest two truths are: the mortality of the soul and Jesus is NOT God the father. They simply have to have a three-in-one God or a mythical God-man!

[@Mark4Jesus]

Excellent point @14:00!

[@johne.stinson9759]

Magnificently clear presentation. Many thanks...!!

[@rickyzoe1]

Ephesians 1:4 We also had glory before the world was.

[@priscillajervey8345]

Yess indeed.

[@mishkaned7777]

John 8: 56 - 57 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see My day. He saw it and was glad. Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

[@Mark4Jesus]

He here uses an idiom but the Pharisees had already decided to hate him so they were quick to twist his words trying to condemn him.

[@iCaptainOG]

@@Mark4Jesus what was the idiom?

[@Mark4Jesus]

@@iCaptainOG It was an idiom for certain Jewish groups to use terms like "was before" to denote preeminence of destiny in God's plan. This is demonstrated in scripture by John the Baptist (John 1:15,27,30), and is verified by Jewish writings (e.g. Pesikta Rabbati 152b) Furthermore there is a passage from Justin Martyr demonstrating that in his time (2nd century) there were still some faithful disciples aroud who did not yet believe in the pre-existence of Christ ("Dialogue with Trypho", XLVIII). There also are plenty of theologeans who interpret these sayings as idiom. "That any expression or vehicle of God’s will for the world, His saving counsel and purpose, was present in His mind, or His ‘Word,’ from the beginning is a natural way of saying that it is not fortuitous, but the due unfolding and expression of God’s own being. This attribution of pre-existence indicates religious importance of the highest order... The same is also true of the Messiah. It is said that his name was present with God in heaven beforehand, that it was created before the world, and that it is eternal. But the reference here is not to genuine pre-existence in the strict and literal sense. This is clear from the fact that Israel is included among these pre-existent entities. This does not mean that either the nation Israel or its ancestor existed long ago in heaven, but that the community Israel, the people of God, had been from all eternity in the mind of God, as a factor in His purpose... This is true of references to the pre-existence of the Messiah. It is his ‘name,’ not the Messiah himself, that is said to have been present with God before creation… from all eternity it was the will of God that the Messiah should come into existence, and should do his work in the world to fulfill God’s eternal saving purpose. " (Rev. S Mowinckel, "He That Cometh: The Messiah Concept in the Old Testament and Later Judaism"). It was certainly an idiom, my current personal understanding is that it was specifically most commonly used among the Essenes, which is the feeling I get after studying John the Baptist.

[@priscillajervey8345]

Right.@@Mark4Jesus

[@jewishbride5010]

Father God, praise you for establishing your glorified eternal inheritance and life in Christ in your children! In accordance with this word romans 3:23, hebrews 1:3, john 13:31-32, 2 corinthians 4:6, john 17:1-5, john 17:20-26, 2 corinthians 6:14-18 I bind to hell being fallen from glory in my life, the lives of my family, friends, colleagues, neighbours, acquitances, opponents and the body of Christ while binding one to receive all of God his glory before the beginnings of the world, binding to hell being unequally yoked and having any common share with those who have fallen from glory and not receiving the eternal glory of God from for the beginnings of the world, in the name and blood of Jesus Christ, amen and hallelujah, all glory belongs to God!

[@mishkaned7777]

Phil 2 5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Messiah Yeshua, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, DID NOT COUNT EQUALITY with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but EMPTIED HIMSELF, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the LIKENESS of men. 8 And being found in human form, he HUMBLED HIMSELF by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has HIGHLY EXALTED HIM and bestowed on Him the Name that is ABOVE EVERY NAME, 10 so that at the Name of Yeshua every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Yeshua Messiah is Lord, TO THE GLORY OF GOD, THE FATHER.

[@Frank-rt5wv]

Well spoken Brother, something I would like to point out the word cosmos, in English world does not refer to earth, many times Jesus uses the word world to refer to the nations so to help understand even more, Jesus is the foundation of the world, or to put it another way foundation of the nations. With out that foundation there is no hope. We see the word world, we automatically think earth because we have been indoctrinated that world means earth not so. May our Heavenly Father, and our King Lord Jesus, bless your ministry's Brother. Ps The SON OFF MAN will return.

[@rosemerrynmcmillan1611]

Brilliant comment!!! THANKYOU!! Yes you're right!

[@priscillajervey8345]

I agree!!!!@@rosemerrynmcmillan1611

[@winninggemchannel8819]

Jesus said in a revelations, chapter one. I am the alpha. I am the omega, says the Lord God who is and who was and who is to come. The almighty

[@berniepenner6204]

A basic Apostolic Truth: Jesus did not preexist "himself". With this basic premise there is plenty of truth here to unpack,

[@colingr318]

Big point at 34 - 36 minutes.

[@dynamicloveministries334]

Where can I get the notes you preached from. Is it possible?

[@bosse641]

Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man." Simple and clear. And God does not contradict Himself. And Jesus is a MAN(second Adam) "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus." (1 Timothy 2:5)

[@yuvarajt8432]

Jesus was not born of any man!!

[@bosse641]

@@yuvarajt8432 Sure. He was born through a woman. But he was created in the womb of the virgin by God The Creator. He was fully of God. Jesus was the second Adam. A new creation. A new beginning. In the first Adam we all fell. But in the second Adam we are saved and restored unto God. Amazing grace.

[@yuvarajt8432]

@@bosse641 Was Jesus created according to your faith?

[@bosse641]

@@yuvarajt8432 He was created in the womb of a virgin. And that is according to the Word of God. So, yes, that is what I believe.

[@cpnurseries]

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man , that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?" See - neither is God the son of man. He had no father or mother, beginning of days nor ending of life.

[@FOMC6780]

My words will come true in there proper time. For there is One God and One Mediator between God and Man which is the Man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a ranson for all men to be that testimony in due time, Whereunto I am ordained a preacher and an Apostle I speak the truth in Christ and lie not even a teacher of the Gentiles in Faith and verity. 1Timothy 2:2-7 GNV

[@theocentric]

Hello 👋 I'm Arian but the exposition makes sense. Could I get sources that talk about notional preexistence?

[@21stOneGod]

If you have not already done so, you would likely enjoy the recent series of 5 video sessions by J. Dan Gill on Notional Preexistence (what he calls Conceptual Preexistence). They are all here on the 21st KZbin Channel: (1) Did Jesus Preexist - Literally? (2) John the Jew, and the Word - in John 1:1, (3) Preexistence - Words and Phrases (4) Did Paul believe Christ Preexisted? (5) Do the Synoptics teach Christ preexisted? Also take a look at Bill Schlegel's "One God Report" at anchor.fm/onegodreport-podcast. There is more on the subject also at www.21stcr.org.

[@toughted100]

Hebrew 2:9 Hebrews 2:9 (KJV) But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

[@peterselvarajan522]

A man who cannot give Jesus the glory due to Him as God, and calls that demonic? Calling something of God as demonic, there must be an unpardonable curse for that 😢

[@bobbycecere1037]

I'm glad you got this one interpretation correct....... But what do you believe about the hellfire doctrine??

[@priscillajervey8345]

There is NO ever -lasting Hellfire. Yes, the evil will burn in the lake of fire of Ghenna. Burning for ever and ever was the brain child of the Catholic church. They tried to scard the hell out of folks into coming to chuch and paying pennance which filled the coffers.

[@mishkaned7777]

1 Pet 1: 18 - 20 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life you inherited from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Messiah, a Lamb without blemish or spot. He was known BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, but was revealed in the last times for your sake.

[@berniepenner6204]

at 4:20, we see a correction where Bill does not deny the deity of JESUS but he does deny his preexistence. We do not need a trinity to have JESUS as Deity.

[@daviddrew3372]

and νῦν now δόξασόν glorify με me σύ, you, πάτερ, Father, παρὰ beside σεαυτῷ to yourself τῇ to the δόξῃ glory ᾗ which εἶχον I was having πρὸ before τοῦ of the τὸν the κόσμον world εἶναι to be παρὰ beside σοί. you. With ? ( literally “ beside”) not “ in” or “within”. This both establishes pre existence and is strong evidence from Jesus own words that he is the firstborn of all that God created.

[@berglen100]

iTS FOR ALL FIRST ADAM TO WAKE UP.

[@11304800]

Thers no scriptural proof that Jesus is the Father. JESUS HAS A FATHER!! God

[@raygsbrelcik5578]

BINGO!! Christ was referring to the Prophetic nature of his "Glory." It was always in the "LOGOS," of his "GOD and FATHER."

[@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist]

Amen Amen. The doctrine of the Trinity or Oneness (modalism) can only be supported by out of context single verses one at a time. The entire scriptures ring true on every verse when you understand that The Messiah is God's Only Begotten (born) Son. “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few. Jn 7

[@bosse641]

But is he the only begotten Son of God ? Jesus is my elder brother, the firstborn Son of many Sons (Romans 8:29) Jesus is the second Adam, the first Adam fell and we in him, but God created a new man(Adam), and in him we can be restored.

[@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist]

@@bosse641 truly we are now the Sons of God but not from natural birth but by the New Birth Jn 3. Jesus Christ is unique in that he is the only son created by God by means of the seed of the woman. Gen 3. Jesus did not need to be 'Born Again'.

[@bosse641]

@@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist As I see it, His Sons(humans) are after the Spirit(nature of God), and they are all one with God, just as Jesus is one with Him. And when I see what happen the day the man Jesus was baptized, it seems like Jesus received something he hadn't had up until then: "As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. Suddenly the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting on him. And a voice from heaven said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!" (Matthew 3:16-17) "So also Christ did not take upon himself the glory of becoming a high priest, but he was called by The One who said to him: “You are My Son; today I have become Your Father.” (Hebrews 5:5) And that fulfilled the prophetic Word found in Psalm 2:7 "I will proclaim the decree spoken to me by YHVH: "You are My Son; today I have become your Father." And the man Jesus, sinless second Adam, was the first to receive that from Above, and through that whole walk he showed those that was going to come after him what they had to do, walking as he did. And receiving the same Spirit of Sonship and crying Father! just like Jesus our elder brother. God is spirit, as we are spiritual beings in an earthly body. And so it was also with Jesus. He then after having been raised from the dead having his body glorified. And that is what all His children will experience also at the day of the rapture.

[@rosemerrynmcmillan1611]

No such thing as the rapture. Only the one and only physical Resurrection. The Rapture is a Jesuit doctrine planted into the Protestant Churches to get them off the track and to stop them from recognizing the Roman Catholic Pontiff/Pope/seat of the Papacy as the Antichrist and Man of Sin ( son of iniquity)

[@upclosepersonal]

Oness isn't modalism idiot. Get your facts straight. Oness isn't modalism dumbass. Get your facts straight. If jesus isn't God than your an idol worshipper by default

[@berniepenner6204]

6:56 YES! Israel calls GOD their FATHER,.. it is indeed a relational term as used in scripture: not a title nor a person.

[@cvb7651]

This makes a lot of sense, but am wondering about I Cor 4: 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. Also, don't you think it was Jesus who spoke to Abraham , Moses and Joshua?

[@normanmcdermid1951]

I am so ticked off that pastors mention that Jesus was at once divine and human. This verse is explained as it is written. Jesus was divine, when he was with God in the beginning. At the appointed time he was born, through a woman, just like all of us and became a human being.

[@priscillajervey8345]

Where were you before you were born? Peter stated Jesus was preordained and in the foreknowledge of God.

[@cute1678]

'Before the world was' means prior to the expulsion from the Garden of Eden due to Adam's sin.

[@Mark4Jesus]

Very good talk up until that last point with Satan…. 🔥🥵🥵🥵👹🥵🥵🥵🔥

[@cute1678]

Really listen to what Jesus is saying, as God told the disciples to do on the Mount of Transfiguration. For example when he said, 'The world was' it is the systems and behavior of the world since the Fall of mankind because of Adam's sin. Therefore Jesus was Adam when he had his own glory in the presence of God, because Adam was perfect and sinless at that time. Jesus is the second 'carnation' of Adam. 'The second Adam.

[@stanbarr9884]

If Jesus wasn't didn't exist with the Father except by plan (Word), how was every thing in existence By Jesus's creating them? I'd like to hear your or any thoughts on the matter. thanks. Col 1:16-17 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. KJV Was this mistranslated to allow fgor teaching the precarnate Christ and the trinity? I believe it was.

[@jesusisthechristthesonofgod]

It's not been mistranslated, people are just not paying attention when they read it. Having extrabiblical themes in their minds also doesn't help people when they read the passage. 12 God making us partakers of light 13 God translating us into kingdom of his Son 14 God's Son's blood 15 God's Son is in his image, firstborn creature from the dead 16 God created everything 17 God sustains everything 18 God's Son is head of the church The whole passage is about God and his Son, it goes back and forth between them.

[@maxspringer01]

@stanbarr9884 - Colossians 1:16 contains something known as “encircling”. You can see in the verse that the same thought “all things were created” is repeated twice, once at the beginning of the verse and once at the end, encircling (or sandwiching) something more specific in between. Thus, the in-between is what explains what is meant by “all things.” After the first “by him all things were created”, it gets progressively more and more specific. First saying “things in heaven and on earth” (which, note, it does not say “heaven and earth itself”, but rather “things IN heaven and ON earth”). It then further clarifies, saying “visible and invisible”. And then it gets specific, saying “whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities”. Well…..wait a minute. That’s an incredibly specific and extremely small range of the “all things” that could have been mentioned, right? Where are the sun, moon, stars, mountains, rivers, seasons, wolves, birds, fish, buffalo, etc? The elaboration of “all things” turns out to be exclusively visible and invisible, heavenly and earthly _positions of authority_ ONLY. It’s like me saying “I love all things, whether on land or in the sea, whether indoors or outdoors, whether spaniels or poodles or retrievers or schnauzers, I love all things.” Those dog breeds really narrow down what I mean by “all things” in that context. Same thing is happening in Colossians 1.

[@priscillajervey8345]

Why don't Trinitians know that the term GOD THE SON is NO where in Scriptures. Should that not get their attention? Should they not Question this??? They just believe what they are told - I have heard this claim many, many times. Heavens help us!!!

[@Mark4Jesus]

Misquote @6:15 but that’s ok.

[@mishkaned7777]

Yeshua pre-existed. We see it in Micah 5: 2 But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, though you be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been FROM OF OLD, FROM EVERLASTING. וְאַתָּה בֵּית-לֶחֶם אֶפְרָתָה צָעִיר לִהְיוֹת בְּאַלְפֵי יְהוּדָה מִמְּךָ לִי יֵצֵא לִהְיוֹת מוֹשֵׁל בְּיִשְׂרָאֵל וּמוֹצָאֹתָיו מִקֶּדֶם מִימֵי עוֹלָם:

[@dawnwilliams385]

I cannot see how believing exactly what JESUS said at John 17:5 would support a trinity teaching. I also cant understand why anyone would read a scripture and then determines that's not what it means and go on to spend so much time trying to say why it could not mean what it says. JESUS says ask and it will be given you...just in case you need help to understand.

[@priscillajervey8345]

I think most men think they are smarter than God. The majority of Christians have been so indoctrinated since they graduated from the diaper core regarding centuries-old pagan doctrines they cease to think for themselves. They also want to be among the herd mentality where it is safe, nice and cozy, heaven forbide they should upset the "powers that be"!!! They are so brainwashed most don't even question what doesn;t make sense and appear to love and cherish their 'mystery' doctrine. Honestly, I don't thnk the majority even care!!!

[@randallwittman2720]

Diety refers to GOD Noun. The actual God Devine refers to atributes of God. adjatives , wise, strong, loving, patient, haveing devine features. 😊😊

[@Hebrew42Day]

"had with God" WOA, WOA... did Isaiah lie? [Isa 42:8 NET] I am YHWH! That is my name! I will not share my glory with anyone else, or the praise due me with idols. [Isa 48:11 NET] For my sake alone I will act, for how can I allow my name to be defiled? I will not share my glory with anyone else! The answer is the NT is lying to us, and no man can die for you - nor _NEEDS_ to.

[@Mark4Jesus]

That’s what the JWs believe that Jesus pre-existed as an archangel. I don’t believe he pre-existed, his physical existence began in the womb. It says before that he was just a logos.

[@saycheese6773]

44 minutes to distort a straight forward verse. Jesus existed with the father before the world was, period.

[@priscillajervey8345]

Seriously??!!

[@donk1822]

Since God is immortal, how could he die for anybody's sins? God's son can only be Michael the archangel, who is like God, who speaks for God.

[@cpnurseries]

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels (including Michael) said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels (including Michael) of God worship him.

[@jeanoscar552]

Foundation is flawed....That was his God side...that was his human side...tou failed to show us other writers who said the same

[@mikeshomeimprovements3963]

Explain Philippians 2:6-7 then.

[@billschlegel1]

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[@Honor530]

The same was in the beginning with God before anything was he was already existing and he was the agent of creation of all thing that existented including angels colosians 1:16-17, you must denied the entire sovereignty of God. And you are not God because you have a Nature of humans, You must it is the biblical ideas that let us make God in our image, The father, son and Holy Spirit, 1john 5:7, John 8:58, John 1:30, John 10;30, Jesus was both human and God, 1timothy 3:16,

[@Honor530]

Haaaaa you are very funny Pre existence before the world was made, that made him God Sir

[@utubelittlebagofeverything5844]

It’s not that complicated. The Bible states that Jesus is the Word, the firstborn over all creation, that he emptied himself, that God sent him, that all things were created thru him, that he had glory before the creation, etc... Jesus is not God but he did pre-existed before being born as a human. In Genesis whenever God speaks, something is created, but God’s 1st creation was his word, and thru his word everything else was created. Then the word became flesh. Jesus is God’s first creation, a divine instrument which God used to create the rest of the entire creation. The word (Jesus) is the only thing in the entire creation that comes DIRECTLY from God, everything else came from God but thru the word. That why God said in Genesis, let us make man in our own image. God is speaking to his word (who is not a man yet, but god already know what Jesus will look like as a man, so he created man, in the future image of his word). Yes, Jesus pre-existed not as God , but as God first creation, his word. It’s pretty simple, just read what is written without inventing stuff. God bless.

[@rsk5660]

Hi, I have a friend who believes what you believe. He is a lot more mature a christian than I am, so I have a lot of respect for him. The only thing I can say about his way of thinking is the lack of sense in his "doctrine". Yes there are scriptures to support what he thinks, as you have shown. However trinitarians, unitarians, Jehovah's witnessess etc. can all produce scripture for what they believe as well. So, when I read the old testament, I read about God who created the heavens and the earth, quite a few times. I don't see Jesus there. Same with the new testament. Jesus talks as if the father is the creator not himself. For example it is the father who knows if a sparrow falls, and he who created them in the beginning. We have to learn to read the bible generally first and get a basic idea. Once we have that we then know which scriptures don't seem to fit that general scheme of things. This video tackles one of these scriptures. I find trinitarianism for example concentrates on some of these "odd" scriptures, oneness pentecostals pick some other ones and Jehovah witnesses some others, all at the expense of the main theme of scripture. For example, God talks as if he is a single person and people in the bible talk as if they think he is a single person thousands of times. Trinitarians ignore this general scheme and concentrate on about six times God said "us". You say at the end of your comment "just read what is written without inventing stuff" but you seem to do this yourself when you say the following " but god already know what Jesus will look like as a man, so he created man, in the future image of his word." This is not what the bible says anywhere.

[@lizzard13666]

I'm skeptical of the view that Yahweh used Jesus like a "divine instrument" at creation! In the view I think is most Biblical, Yahweh created everything knowing that Jesus would eventually come and fulfil the intention for humans to "rule" over Earth. It sounds confusing to say that Yahweh used Jesus like a pencil, or a hammer, in constructing everything ... I think it makes more sense to say that Yahweh built it with His own great power. Knowing that Jesus is the human who would inherit it in the future. I am curious to hear your reasoning how your view fits the Bible better though!

[@rsk5660]

@@lizzard13666 Hi, do you mean me or Utubel

[@lizzard13666]

@@rsk5660 Well either works for me!

[@rsk5660]

@@lizzard13666 When reading the old testament God speaks as if he is a single person, saying "I" most of the time. Everybody talks to him and about him as if they think he is a single person. The coming "Christ" is referred to as "the anointed", as "a prophet" and "a priest" etc and is referred to as a separate person from God, or Jahweh. The holy spirit is mentioned but I don't get the impression that anyone thought this was a person. The new testament reads the same way. Take Peter's sermon in Acts 2v17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith GOD, I will pour out of my SPIRIT upon all flesh.....v22 Ye men of Israel hear these words, Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of GOD among you by signs and miracles and wonders which God did by him........v32 This JESUS has GOD raised up....v33 therefore being by the right hand of GOD exalted, and having received of the father the promise of the holy SPIRIT he has shed forth THIS which ye now see and hear.....v36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that GOD has made that same JESUS whom ye have crucified, both LORD and CHRIST. Anyone thinking Jesus is God or an angel, or that God is three persons, in my opinion does not have a good knowledge of the whole of scripture and therefore must be taking verses out of context or misunderstanding some verses.

[@randallwittman2720]

The glory Jesus has WITH God...NOT. The glory Jesus had AS God!

[@berniepenner6204]

This begins with false equivocation : Jesus does have DEITY, in fact JESUS has ALL of Deity.

[@bibledefinedbymartycozad]

yes Paul says it, in the likeness of sinful man; Paul does not accept Christ as human. Criteria #1 I Jhn 2:18,19 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore, we know that it is the last hour, 19. They went out FROM US, but they were not of us, for if they has been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. Acts 9:26-31 (Paul) And when he had come to Jerusalem, he attempted to join the disciples. And they were ALL afraid of him, for they did not believe that he was a disciple. 27. Barnabas brought him to the true apostles and declared his testimony and preaching. 30. They SENT him off to tarsus. 31.(note to keep in mind is next) So the church through all Judea and Galilee and Samaria had peace and was being built up. And walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, it multiplied. Acts 15:30-35 (Read text) But Paul remained in Antioch. Acts 21:27,28 When the seven days were almost completed, the Jews from Asia, seeing him (Paul) in the temple, stirred the whole crowd and laid hands on him, 28. Crying out, Men of Israel, help! This is the man who teaching everyone everywhere against the people and the law and this place, etc. (this history of this event is very serious; you will see why later) Criteria #2 I Jhn 4:2,3 By this you know the Spirit of God; every spirit that confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3. And every spirit that does not confesses Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. (flesh is the Key word) Rms 8:3b Paul says, by sending His own Son in the LIKENESS of sinful flesh and for sin. (Likeness=3667 in figure of, image, representation of. (why did he just say, in sinful flesh?) Phi 2:7,8 Page 2 false apostles. Paul says, but emptied himself, by taking the FORM of a servant, being born in the LIKENESS of men. 8.And being born in human form (human 344 external appearance) Criteria #3 I Jhn 4:6 We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us: whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of Truth and the spirit of error. Gal 2:6 And FROM those (apostles) who SEEMED to be influential, What, they were makes NO difference to me; God shows no partiality. Gal 1:16 I did not immediately consult with anyone; 17.nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me, but I went away into Arabia and returned again to Damascus. Acts 10:34 God is no respecter of persons. (Paul said this, not God) Lev 26:9 For I (God) have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish MY covenant with you. (Respect= 4856 lifted up) (All through the Bible God picks and chooses who will do what He wants them to do, and even the ones who fail. God is a respecter of persons.) * Mat 19:28 Jesus said to them (disciples) Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the son of Man will it in His glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

[@peterselvarajan522]

He goes to a lot of trouble to try to establish that Jesus the Messiah cannot be God. Daniel 7:14 , Phil 2:5,6-11 - Jesus was in the form of God, and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father, including Schlegel.

[@Psalm-pu2jq]

Peter - I think you and I are looking at these matters differently. If you are a "form" of something, you are not the something. It doesn't make much sense to say that you are in the form of yourself. If you are in the image of God, that by definition would mean that you are not God. Adam was made in the image of God means that Adam was not God. Even if you are a perfect image of a thing - you are still not the thing itself.

[@wildernessofzinn17]

Love the talk about what Jesus really meant in John 17:5, but regarding Israel...do NOT confuse the Jewish nation-state with the House of Israel spoken of in the Bible. There were TWELVE tribes...the Jewish people come out of Judah and Benjamin. The other Ten Tribes were dispersed and never returned, but migrated and became other people...just as God said. But God did not forget them. He even blessed them and made them a Great Nation and Company of Nations but they're clueless as to their true identity. National amnesia is part of their punishment. But all will be revealed one day. The Northern kingdom of Israel and the southern kingdom of Judah were two separate nations. The Jews we know today come out of the returning Judahites from the Babylonian captivity. Israel was dispersed by the Assyrians over a century before. They were never Jews. This is the part that freaks many people out because they have been taught error all of their lives and can't deal with the truth. The word "Jew" does not even appear in the Bible until 2 Kings 16:6 when they were at war with ISRAEL!. Jew is short of JUdah...NOT Israel. That Jewish nation in the Middle East should be named Judea as it was in Jesus time, NOT Israel. Israel was long gone 800 years before Christ. As a matter of fact, that is the main reason Christ came...to unite the Houses. NOT the world! Abraham was a Hebrew...NOT a Jew. That is ridiculous to call him a Jew. Same with Moses, Joseph, and the other patriarchs. David was from the tribe of Judah...Pharez branch. The Zarah branch migrated to other lands before the Exodus. There is so much more and it is the Greatest Story Never Told.

[@annim4207]

First the sentences... he USED TO believe in the Trinity, the deity of Christ??? I cannot listen to any more if he no longer does. Heresy

[@randallwittman2720]

I am the Aloha and omega, is jehovah almighty God The first and last is jesus. Jesus was first/last , begotten son Jesus was first and last to be resurected by God the Father. All following resurections will be by King Jesus. GOOGLE. Lost alpha and omega.

[@ScottRock-mr6qk]

The glory he had with who?? I thought he was God?? How can Jesus have glory with God if he is God?? Oh!! I know it the same as he was with God and was God all at the same time. I get it now. Bwahhhhh🤣🤣🤣

[@SOFIANSHAFIE]

I am asking.... When Jesus became 100% men did he also 100% god at the same time? According to Christian is YES. If so why he still needs to pray asking his only true God (the Father) to take away the cup (crucifiction) from him. If 100% God could not even saved himself how could he saves the whole mankind. If he is also 100% God why ..... i. his prayer at the Garden of gestermone was totally rejected and let his son (the 100% God) to be killed ( crucified) by his own creation. ii. He said he by himself can do nothing what he hears he obeys. Thus means that Jesus is a powerless 100% God. iii. He said his only true God is the Farther. My question to all christians who is your true God. So christians, please think again who is actually your God is. To me definitely not a person who came to the world through a vagina of a woman of his creation and end up his life by being kill horrifiedly by his own creation too.

[@antoinekiwan5832]

He empty himself ( philippians 2 : 6 7) son of man and son of God

[@SOFIANSHAFIE]

@@antoinekiwan5832 If God has emptied himself, (Emptied; past participle: emptied remove all the contents of (a container). logically He is NOT God. Because a. He has no God attributes anymore b. God dont change its nature. James 1:17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. So Jesus was NOT fully (100%) God and fully (100%) men at the same time. He was just a men. Bible Acts 2. Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God AMONG YOU by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: If this is the case who died in the cross? God or Men. Cannot be both. So definitely MEN. Hebrew 9;22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. (this sound like Pagan law) God don't die. Habakkuk 1:12 Lord, are you not from everlasting? My God, my Holy One, you will never die. ...

[@antoinekiwan5832]

@@SOFIANSHAFIE God can do anything, God in flesh ( 1 thimothy 3:16) God is capable of everything, emptied in Hebrew mean don't use his diety. Form of God and Form of man So If ur God can't be human and God, our God is almighty, he can do anything Jesus is god, the alpha, the omega , the A, the Z, the almighty, Believe in Jesus and u will be saved ( acts 16:31)

[@joerod5621]

Jesus is not God the Word aside from God! The Word became flesh J1.14 and lived amongst us! We do not know Jesus in the flesh anymore ! 2corin5:16 Jesus is God’s word returning back not void! Isaiah 55:11 God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself 2Corin 5:19 God died in his human existence! But the ground could not hold him! Jesus was not praying for divine glory back ! J17:5 he was praying that he would be resurrected! The same glory he gave all humanity! J17:22 ( the promise of resurrection!) Unitarians are like JW‘s twisting scripture ! JW‘s have God & a god J1:1 NWT Unitarians have God & a representative! And at the end the representative becomes God or equal to God! Just listen to the Unitarian - Kel from Trinitarian Delusion!! When this guy is bowing down in front of Jesus, will it be God? Or the representative? Phil 2:10 he is the glory of God! How does anyone see 2 persons in that? 20:35

[@randallrader680]

Alot of human logic and confusion 😕

[@ahmedsheriffdeen]

Islam doesn't relate to God as father because we've already seen the issues that emanated from that very language. 😁

[@abrahamtorres9416]

Perfect example of demons preaching 🤦‍♂️

[@winninggemchannel8819]

Complete and utter blasphemy

[@trumenfreight6055]

Nonsense, Christ was clear. He "had" the glory, past tense. That means that in the present he does not have it. So Christ is not talking about things that are foretold as if they presently exist. Because in the present Christ does NOT have the glory, according to Him. Christ says that the future that he is speaking of is a return NOT a fulfillment. Saying something plausible about the text is not exegesis. You MUST demonstrate with exegesis that CHRIST mentioned this prophecy about glory. None of that is in the text. You are adding to the bible. This does nothing but inform the wise that unitarians hate the bible and Christ and are devils.