John Bitrolff and Rex Heuermann | Who is the Manorville Butcher ?

[@GrizzlyTrueCrime]

00:00:00 Start 00:01:52 Bitrolff is requesting a new trial 00:04:40 Four serial killers operating at one time 00:09:51 RH Googled Bitrolff 00:12:28 Who is John Bitrolff? 00:17:30 What evidence did they have against Bitrolff? 00:20:55 What happened to Rita Tangredi? 00:23:20 What happened to Colleen McNamee? 00:26:55 What happened to Sandra Costilla? 00:29:50 Interesting connections between RH and Bitrolff? 00:36:00 Three victims posed similarly? Shoe missing? 00:40:50 Wood shavings found at all three scenes? 00:50:22 News clips from 2014 01:01:08 Maptime 01:14:15 Debrief and Outro FULL CASE PLAYLIST: kzbin.info/aero/PL0cYrgj38mhpJ9neHmPBa8h9x0M2wigDj&si=cwh7BNFqrusVpIa5

[@Purplepuddles0810]

Thank you!

[@ouidedbouzoubia858]

Bon rétablissement G j'espère que la moyenne de ta pression artérielle soit normale ❤

[@AustinD1993]

@GrizzlyTrueCrime If the two women were prostitutes In the same area, it's possible that Bitrolff had unprotected sx with both women, but did not kill them. Rex's document suggests that he didn't have sxx with the women he k*lled. He used toys & other items but not intercourse. So Rex could have picked up the same prostitutes on the same day, and murdered them. Rex also chopped wood, and he built cross bars etc out of wood for his torture. So it could have easily been wood from Rex's house & fathers workshop. Funny how Tom Spota was in charge at that time also.. another Corrupt CROOK! 🙄

[@christifrost8691]

Oh my goodness

[@mintpastill]

@ Gisela im just watching jb on the latest documents that been released about gabby petito findings around it, can you summon and go through those documents so it's saved in that section of gabby to go back to if we have and need to at some point.

[@K159S]

Might be helpful to know exactly when Rex had googled Bitroff's name, especially in relation to missing/found victims. Maybe Rex left bodies near Bitroff's "known" sites as a way to deflect detection away from himself? Then again, serial killers typically hate it when someone else gets credit for their "work". 🤔

[@curtf9813]

Those searches were released at the time of his arrest and they were found by monitoring Rex…it was before they had possession of any of his devices. So these were things that he searched within the last few years. I think it should be noted that Rex is a sadist and his other searches of names were all of his victims and their family members…so Rex can look at these people and take pleasure in the pain he caused them. Can he do the same with John?

[@hsk2909]

@@curtf9813 I was just speculating that if they were in co-hoots , would John not have told on Rex upon being caught?? Sadly, i feel like no part of the investigation (or sentencing) can be trusted before the new task force was put in place and hence i expect a lot of this sad saga to change still. A hecka lot..

[@curtf9813]

@@hsk2909 If they were in co-hoots John probably wouldn’t have ratted on him because he’s never confessed..he’d have to implicate himself to rat. But I don’t believe that they were in co-hoots because I think that what these people do is always done in secrecy. It’s not like going to work and talking about fishing and making friends who enjoy fishing…people don’t talk about serial unaliving people so there’s no way to meet someone with similar interests. It might be different if they were lifelong friends since childhood but I’ve never heard that. And I’ve never heard of these types of people having a partner in crime

[@dogmama2many]

I believe Bitroff had sex but did not kill them. I think RH did the killings and probably because he was unable to perform.

[@dogmama2many]

Thank you again, G!

[@everything_is_illuminated619]

I dont know which is worse... the idea of two unrealated serial killers operating in the same community at the same time or the idea of an innocent man possibly being in prison for it. 😢

[@AskAlex1999]

Right! With the past corruption, I’m wondering if John is in prison for Rex’s crimes.

[@curtf9813]

@@AskAlex1999 How is it not the fault of the jury tho? They were presented with the same evidence that G just presented. An adult should know that sawdust isn’t condemning evidence, and they should know that eating raw venison isn’t behavior akin to what John was convicted of.

[@AskAlex1999]

@@curtf9813 I guess if they told the jury it was John’s DNA… We don’t know how far the corruption went. I am NOT a conspiracy theorist, however, it does beg some questions.

[@lorafrost9628]

Or two killers working together?

[@hsk2909]

@@lorafrost9628 But if two work together and one gets caught and goes to jail, is he not going to rat on the other one? 🤨

[@nancysfarmacy]

I find it interesting the contrast between Bitroff and RH. JB seemed very involved with family, friendly, helping neighbors, etc. RH didn't seem to have a close relationship with family, angry, unfriendly. Just thought that stood out.

[@patriciakoch5789]

I graduated with John’s brother and his wife Patty. Both are good people. Patty even reached out to me when my mom passed in 2012, very sweet person in school. I didn’t know John.

[@dianabehr3169]

John supposedly tortured animals

[@AskAlex1999]

Wait, three missing shoes, and attributed to two different killers? I’m wondering if they got it wrong…

[@atalantamountain]

RH saying his cabinet maker's hammer is persuasive enough when he needs to persuade something sounds quite creepy after hearing what was done to the three victims' sculls. Thank you Gisela for your haaard work and compassion for victims! I have been following you since Gabby Petito was missing.

[@AskAlex1999]

I made the same observation!!

[@dawnrose9150]

Bitrolff should have a new trial.

[@Nature_guurrll]

You’re doing a fantastic work on this case Gisela!!! You brought up a few points that I would not have seen until this livestream- Thank you!!! 💖

[@tracibutler2812]

Can we talk now about the wood shavings and the fact rex's planning document states "dispose of props, toys, wood items"

[@curtf9813]

Victims were placed on freshly constructed wood tables that Rex built for each incident

[@tracibutler2812]

Yes, certainly 1 wooden item...

[@cherylschumaker1366]

Maybe RH wrote handbook on how to ? And sold copies for big bucks underground cash only ???

[@robmcmullen9192]

Excellent Livestream G! Thank you for all of your hard work preparing this stream! Justice for all of the victims and their families!

[@GrizzlyTrueCrime]

Thank you, Rob! And thank you so much for the coffees on buymeacoffee.com/truecrimegisela !

[@robmcmullen9192]

@@GrizzlyTrueCrime You are so welcome, G!🐻☕🤩

[@sarahbrome5564]

I think Bitrolff is innocent. RH liked stalking and tormenting people- he could have easily picked the women up after they had a “date” with Bitrolff.

[@hsk2909]

Totally plausible considering that the creepo is very much a stalker. Maybe he stalked the working girls as well as some of their clients?.. Hhmmm.. And formed his plans on occasions based on that info somehow?... There's a lot to puzzle together with this one..

[@emmikins21]

Just what I was thinking… he would know the regular clients of the girls he stalked.. I think he was planning, and plotting and reliving his experiences step by step in the periods of time between kills, Bitrolff obviously was a man who is hopefully, only guilty of having sex with working girls.and if so gets his conviction squashed.

[@GrannieAnnie1]

Exactly what I was thinking. RH might've known Bitroff since Bitroff was a carpenter & RH an architect.

[@iammedusa2600]

@@hsk2909 he hunted them..........

[@storkdeliverysstorkdeliver2846]

OR, he was starring in SNUFF FILMS made by Rex and his OAK BEACH BOYS ! Because he was a carpenter who worked on houses at OAK BEACH ! Why was his DNA INSIDE THE BODIES along with other's DNA ! THEY ALL KNOW EACH OTHER AND ARE ALL INVOLVED WITH ALL OF THEM !

[@Monicki67]

The single missing shoe clue wasn’t mentioned in the news until Bitroff’s trial in 2017. Interesting 🤔 since Bitroff victim#1 found 11/2/93; Sandra Costilla found 11/20/93; Bitroff victim#2 found 1/30/94. What are chances of two serial killers staging victims in the same manner and missing one shoe??

[@jherod2024]

I finished watching your Lisk playlist, took me about 3 weeks. Finally caught up, yet so much more information is coming in. My heart goes out to the victims, family and friends.

[@bonniekellyromeo9073]

Wow. If this guy is innocent, how horrible.

[@AskAlex1999]

Can you imagine what Rex has been thinking if someone else is doing time for HIS murders?

[@storkdeliverysstorkdeliver2846]

He's not innocent. He's a part of it.

[@hsk2909]

@@AskAlex1999 It must be a really weird contradiction mentally for a serial killer, being happy he's not been caught and fuming at the same time cos someone else gets the "credit" for his "work". They are so infatuated with their own "handicraft" that the contradiction must drive em around the bend.

Narcissistic glee he would have been feeling. It's not the first time he's had innocent people incarcerated for his crimes

[@AskAlex1999]

Who are you referring to? Bittrolff? I guess we don’t know yet.

[@dianalafferty9456]

I was in the police science academy in 1988........when we still did ink and roll fingerprints, dna was a VERY new idea, and most was based on intuition. It was normal, advanced even for the times in my program, and it is amazing to watch the years of advancement, OMG have the dna and identifablity changes come a LONG WAY! But remember, they did this early in advancement, so they never thought they would be caught if they spread the body parts around at the time. BUT thanks to hard workers in the labs, we can now almost certainly FIND anyone for any crime...........even 100 years old!

[@whoopsydaisy6389]

I think Rex is the guilty party for those two murders Bitrolff was convicted of. These kind of coincidences just dont happen. John is guilty of adultery and not having the decency to protect his wife with a condom, but I don't think he's the murderer at all.

[@sarahbrome5564]

He may not have been married at the time, also.

[@sarahSeasons77]

Gisela is going to break the whole case!! You are so awesome!! Great job fitting this all together!!

[@simonevotruba9632]

Like she will do the DNA tests in her personal lab?

[@vickypullam5776]

Bitrolff could well face had sex with two sex workers in that area. It is too coincidental that their murders are so similar to Miss Costilla. Corrupt and ineffective policing could have lead to a false conviction. Thank you G. and Mods. Rest the voice.

[@Ap50524]

Did he take the stand before? What was the other evidence?

[@curtf9813]

If all the prosecution presented was proof of semen on s*x workers then maybe an inept jury led to the conviction.

[@AskAlex1999]

Agree. If so, Rex must have been laughing his tail off 😡

[@NPCHSN]

Rex was also doing recon, and could’ve killed the first victim after seeing Bitroff drop her off, then saw him again and did the same thing. We already know he’s sadistic. And, he mentioned getting rid of wood and toys in his manifesto.

[@curtf9813]

The jury has the responsibility to see things as they are and make a good decision. If, in 2024, we’re thinking it was a bad decision with the evidence they had on hand then it was a bad decision in 2014 as well. The evidence hasn’t changed..we’re looking at the same stuff

[@curtf9813]

Native Americans had a tradition of eating a deers heart freshly after it was harvested. They believed they could gain qualities of the animal, such as bravery, strength, and agility. Regular Americans who spend time in the woods have heard these stories and they re-enacted them…maybe they were fascinated by how primal it is or something, but I personally know people who have done this. It doesn’t mean anything. Deer are harvested for meat in the first place, as are pigs. That’s where pork comes from. I don’t understand how that behavior can be considered as similar to what John was convicted of. It’s not. Also Rex was a woodworker. He’s talked about how he enjoys woodworking and in his planning document he wrote of constructing a table for each victim. That would require a wood saw and and it would create saw dust, or “chips”. This isn’t condemning evidence

[@kateruterbories2692]

I know, right? Being a hunter doesn't make you a serial killer. Maybe some people who are hunters just happen to be serial killers. If being a hunter makes you a serial killer, I'm in trouble. My husband, his brothers, my brothers, my dad my grandfather, my father-in-law, my uncles cousins, every neighbor I have here and so on hunt every year.

[@curtf9813]

@@kateruterbories2692Yeah same here, as I’m from rural America. I think that’s just about every family from rural America…it’s not a horrible thing to be self sufficient haha. And I wouldn’t eat raw meat but I don’t understand how that’s horrible…is eating a raw steak disrespectful to the cow or something? I don’t understand that

[@ChalNjurshEp]

@@curtf9813which part are you guys referring to? Timestamp, please? 😊

[@curtf9813]

@@ChalNjurshEp I’d have to rewatch the whole video to get time stamps haha but G stated the evidence that was used to convict John. The only real evidence they had was his DNA on 2 victims, which is actually pretty condemning, but given their line of work it’d be easy to reasonably argue it. On top of that there was sawdust found stuck to the victims…the police lost this evidence but they alleged that since John was a carpenter he left a trail of sawdust wherever he went. They alleged that the crimes took place there in the woods and the sawdust was apparently falling off of John. On top of that the prosecution argued John’s character by saying that he once ate a fresh deer heart and butchered a pig

[@jndazzle]

Your LI town pronunciations are spot on Gisela! Lived on LI for 55 years you sound like a”local”!

[@GrizzlyTrueCrime]

[@AskAlex1999]

G, you don’t miss a beat. When you were playing that clip of Bittrolff being arrested, and them mentioning three bodies. They convicted him of two, and Rex did the third??? Oh my goodness… You KNOW they’re rechecking the DNA and all other evidence.

I've recently seen that picture of Bitrolf being arrested. What I noticed was the arresting police officer was no doubt James Burke aka Rex Huermann shape shifters

[@AskAlex1999]

Yes, I’m wondering if Bittrolff is innocent.

[@debrabaron1909]

John Bittrolff asked police " How did you find me?" Police said, " through your brother. " John B said " I Fen knew it." Not the words of an innocent man.

[@maryqc8418]

I think RH just tried to be copy Bitroff so that he wouldn't get blamed. It's horrible.

[@curtf9813]

@@maryqc8418 John’s first victim was found the same month as Sandra Costilla. November 1993.

[@jameslisicky]

Rumor

[@wailnshred]

Is there a recording of Bitrolff saying this?

[@curtf9813]

Media will report on anything that’s rumored because they know that the content will get views regardless of if it’s true. Don’t believe it unless it’s recorded or if the actual people that arrested him said that. Usually the source for this kind of stuff is people who aren’t connected to the case

[@ChrisOsle-kw5pl]

Oh God! What if these other guys really ARE innocent and it was Rex who did it? These were sex workers, so who's to say all he did was pay for sex and then they met Rex? There's an awful lot of similarities and it easily explains why another's DNA would be found

[@consuelomedina7571]

So, who is the real monster

[@RobinHood_62]

A lot of men frequenting sex worker services might want to rethink the "risk factors." It's entirely possible JB is innocent but might have been a John. Uncanny that TWO were unalived.

[@idealist4life]

And, apparently so many of them not even using condoms? WTF are they thinking?

[@AustinD1993]

Maybe Rex started off Dismembering Victim's to make it look like it was Rifkin & Shulman.. After they were both caught maybe there was no point in doing it anymore, so he stopped

[@Leanderfs]

Starting to watch the replay now. Thanks G and mods and all the Grizzlies🐻

[@marshametcalfe8425]

I just love you G. Smart and funny!! Thanks so much.

[@reneet5858]

Remember RH's interview with media, and him telling the guy how a ' Carpenter's Hammer" was probably his favorite tool? That his hobby was building furniture?

[@AskAlex1999]

I knew when I saw it that the “convincing” he did with it was to his victims. But I never imagined it would be this horrific!

[@janinedevilliers510]

Torture furniture using a hammer intended to torture.

[@ChalNjurshEp]

It never was some huge comment when he said that to the realtor interviewing him for his KZbin. I watched the actual interview multiple times, I have it. It wasn’t some big thing like y’all are making it out to be… he wasn’t all sinister talking about it. ReWatch the interview if u know where to find it (the realtor will only charge you to be able to watch it, now).

[@sweetsongstress7398]

@@ChalNjurshEphe is a jovial jerk

[@helene1779]

Thank you Gisela for all your hard work!💕🐻

[@MareRS357]

So many serial killers! Rex Heuermann needs to be convicted. No wonder his home was never repaired he was too busy dismembering victims in his basement. His wife had to know something. Feel bad for his kids, being raised in a house from hell.

[@jacobroerden2915]

Appreciate your work following these cases

[@jaesk1]

I watched live but didn't comment. Is it possible that RH followed the girls that JB had contact with and took advantage of the opportunity to set JB up and in the new indictment against RH they found a document that outlined a few "reminders" and two were wood and clean the bodies thoroughly.

[@sarahbrome5564]

We are thinking the same thing!

[@shalinitahiliani5325]

It could be but this was in 1993 before DNA testing was a thing, no? He couldn't have known for sure they would link them to Bitroff. This is so confusing.

[@peacewithHim]

Thank you for your level of respect for all. No matter the character of the perp, you find ways to state your disdain without lowering your own character. On another KZbin broadcast, a person was ridiculing Heuermann's spelling and name calling him for it like a bully. It was hard to listen to and well beneath how I typically view them. I'm sure not one person cares about how they spell notes to themselves. I know I don't even use full sentences, capital letters or punctuation when I write down things I alone will review. This man has allegedly done SO much more than misspell words to himself. Thank you for not getting hung up on it and focusing instead on the actual alleged crimes, of which misspelling is not one.

[@pennylane8401]

Since RH was an architect, maybe JB was one of his construction guys. Maybe JB and RH small talked as they worked together and he mentioned worker’s he frequented and/or recommended, then RH set him up. They definitely need to look into JB’s case, and run DNA from RH against the evidence they have from both victims.

[@pennylott6962]

I’ve been telling my husband for MONTHS that I think these two might have been in this together!!!!!! How many SK’s were active at the same time period on Long Island?!? What are the odds? 🤔

[@dawnrose9150]

Rex would not know the bitrolff victims were missing one shoe till the trial, that's interesting!

[@TeaWildflowers]

Thank you G, great coverage. Given the latest charges against RH, I think JB’s case needs to be reexamined. I have so many questions.

[@valeriehonings932]

Thank you for all your time, work & effort to bring this to us, your community. You're doing a fantastic job with the pronunciations of our local towns & villages here on Long Island 🏝️🏖️

[@jenniferrobertshaw1400]

I hope the police checked that basement in The Heurmann house or storage unit for left shoes.

[@sarahSeasons77]

I have a feeling it’s all Rex

[@WoodlandT]

I’m starting to feel that way as well

[@ChalNjurshEp]

I don’t.

[@sarahSeasons77]

What I mean was I don’t think the guy that’s been in jail for those two murders did it since Rex was charged with the one next to the other women.

[@melissagregory5100]

Wow, this is fascinating, more to untangle! Good job on a awesome look and rabbit hole 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻❤️

[@mandyelizabeth4140]

Bittrolff.. who were his Detectives that charged him? 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@andreatalu2169]

Thank you, G. Hello from Germany 🇩🇪

[@AustinD1993]

They need to check the rest of the island. I would think Montauk would be a good place to look for a third burial site. It seems he went halfway there with Mill Road.. the need to check the far side of the island. Montauk

[@monicapatton1405]

I have to wonder if LISK did all of this and those men weren’t guilty. Interested in researching the evidence more.

[@colleeniebeanie3786]

They know each other! It’s a boys club. I bet they did some together. One an architect one carpenter. Both are hunters. Bodies were found in manorville. A victims daughter and a Rex victim are best friends?im surprised she hasn’t been interviewed. Something more going on here.

[@janinedevilliers510]

One thing that is clear, is that John was having sex with sex workers while he was married. He was hiding in plain sight, acting like the friendly neighbour. I am sure his wife and family feel sick to find out that the 'nice friendly' husband and father was a dark horse, leading a double life having sex with sex workers. I'm sure he didn't want anyone to find out about his secret life, and acted like the personable neighbour, etc. His semen and dna was found in the two murdered ladies. If forensics found other dna and semen they would know by now if it also tied back to RH. In other words, the ladies were having sex with multiple men. Then again Rex had a 'sales and marketing plan' typed up with strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats, all documented on his MO including washing and cleaning all 'cavaties'. 😡 Is there anything to link the ladies John has been accused of killing, to RH? It is all being investigated. Other people are thinking the same thing. Maybe RH was watching the news all the time keeping an eye on what was being reported after he allegedly murdered his victims. He would notice it, if he heard of other sex workers being killed and not by him (allegedly). I don't know about the timing but RH could have heard about how the John victims were found, less a shoe, and copied John to confuse LE. Almost like a game of cat and mouse between serial killers. They might not know eachother at all but would keep an eye on the news and glean info that way. And one serial killer could copy another to throw LE off, like RH. He might have copied the less one shoe calling card. Just talking about this is sickening. The map showing where two men lived, not far from eachother, were killing sex workers and doing horrific things to these woman. On that narrow arm of land, there were alot of dead bodies and two killers. It is horrific. I feel for these ladies who for whatever reason went down the wrong path who were brutally murdered. These ladies were children once, who have parents, families and friends. They did not deserve to be brutally murdered. I hope that LE don't stop until they put all the pieces of the puzzle together and can get justice for ALL the victims and their families. Thank you G for your informative presentations.

[@vanessao7323]

Hi reply crew today, thanks for this Gisele and the sound is great, wonderful upgrade.

[@anitagendler3812]

Thank you G! This is all very hectic and I’m believing it’s going to get much worse! 😢😢

[@LeslieRoth-rl7zr]

G, you made an observation about how people are going at Rex's family. I'm old enough to remember a time before Internet. I love this channel and many others but no Facebook or X. I think of what Harley went through. It happens so often and this toxic,acid tongue wagging (typing) occurs when a family has lost a loved one or has been abused or traumatized in some ways. I could see the comments pushing someone too far. Sorry to ramble but it's a topic I think about when a new high publicity case occurs. I believe that if you wouldn't say something to someone in person, don't be an Internet bully. I drilled that into my boys when we got our first computer. Major pet peev to me. 🤨

[@rochcarothers-ts3jx]

Semen does not mean Bitcroff killed them,#2,grab handful of sawdust from same local store area,sourcing same wood.

[@curtf9813]

I mean…Rex wrote in his planning document about constructing a table for each victim, with a “cross bar” (a brace to stabilize the legs). These would be cut with a wood saw. So ask yourself what is more probable…is it more likely that these women got sawdust on them from being placed on a freshly constructed table or is it more likely that some sawdust was falling out of John’s pockets as he was out in the woods?

[@rochcarothers-ts3jx]

@@curtf9813Both woodworkers have common source,#2,RH may have been using others' known areas to deposit +confuse away from him as a perpetrator?

[@curtf9813]

@@rochcarothers-ts3jx The only problem I have with that is that John’s first victim and Heuermann’s first victim were found the same month haha…November 1993. So it’d be hard for one to copy the other imo, especially since Rex is a guy that plans thing out probably months-years in advance. He’d have to plan his wife’s vacations before doing anything

[@rochcarothers-ts3jx]

@@curtf9813 Agree,only 1993,Rex was 30yrs, probably had been doing this before,#2,he would be greatly aware of these.If this helps?

[@user-ns9zf9wk1o]

If I remember correctly, the AC victims didn't have shoes on. Weird!

[@suewilkinson9629]

Fantastic presentation!

[@patriotUSA2007]

Love your video presentations more and more. You are amazing. You have the right hard-boiled grasp of these cases, and you bring a human touch. Well done.

[@hauntsforhope]

Great show today!! ❤❤❤ Thank you

[@truecrimefangirlchannel]

Interesting, wood chips, wood shavings in bittroif and RH woodworking father and wood toys.

[@heatherlopez6627]

I said very early on that I wouldn't be surprised if old Rex either A started out dismembering victims and then switched. Or my theory B he had a mentor, and he dumped his victims with his mentors, and that's why they were all so close together on that stretch of Gilgo. I lean towards A, but we shall see

[@lizajane2971]

Did you hear the excerpts from his journals? Pretty sure he mentioned intentionally varying his MO, probably to throw off LE, so your first theory is probably correct.

[@HollyCantwell]

I'd be interested to know if the other victims were petite like RH's.

[@bonzibonnie]

Overwhelming with all the probables of all four men operating at the same time. There were many situations we still do not know about like the Zodiac killer, Ted Bundy, Green river killer and others........Why? What makes them the way they are? It is like they have a duel personality’s, I want to know what makes them kill. I guess everyone wants to know. Thank you for doing such a fabulous job of reporting to us all.❤❤

[@buffyrocks0149]

I really don't understand why people are going after RH's family 😕... They , imo, are his victims as well 😢. The main reason why I love G so much is her compassion to all involved (not the serial killer)

[@kennethhamby8523]

James Burke and Rex Heuermann know each other.

[@exeterline1930]

A commenter on another channel pointed out that Heuermann was an architect and Bittrolff was a landscaper. What's the likelihood they worked together and killed together?

[@joyciejd9673]

I really love your coverage. You even pronounce those American Indian names of the Long Island towns correctly! (And you pronounced Islandia correctly too, which is great since that area only became a Village a few years ago and no one was sure how to pronounce it.) Congratulations on getting over 300k subs. Just an FYI....Robert Shulman was not a landscaper. He worked for the post office.

[@m.g.2645]

✨G, your research for this episode is incredible! Absolutely excellent! Thank you very much for all this information... I had no idea😉 My heart is with all the victims and their loved ones💗 Best Wishes, Maegan⚖️

[@tainoaquarian8320]

Good one G. And yes, there needs to be more ACTion towards searching any/ all connections with these men to each other, the officers, wife, the young women (who knew who, & from When..). I'm down w/ Giacalone; There Are No Coincidences.

[@Kasarija]

At the very least, John deserves a new trial. Unless they found the shoes in Rex’s hoard, in which case John should be released immediately and should sue the state.

[@kaymusictaylor7214]

Thank you, Mods!

[@brigittebowman9113]

I remember that Adidas top, Gisela! Interesting stream. Bitrolff should definitely be given a chance here and these should be reinvestigated by the Gilgo Taskforce. Both murders he was convicted of sound too much like Costilla's murder. I'd say all three were the same killer. God, what if John Bitrolff is completely innocent!!

[@veraladouche143]

You did a great job pronouncing the city names! Good job lol the only criticism I have and it's so minor LOL is that we say we live "ON" Long Island not IN LONG ISLAND. LOL I'm loving your streams! Keep up the good work

[@sheilaciappetta5937]

I think from knowing the area well of Gilgo and Manorville Pine barrens . Everyone knows it is a heavily wooded areas. Bittrolff may not have killed anyone possibly. Devious people with bad intentions may find these areas perfect for disposing of victims. Both areas are very rural. I do feel bad for all the victims and their families. Didn't Heuremann say he has a woodshop?

[@jessyjeantruecrime]

G you look so hip! Hey, did you notice on RH's schedule, that on the last day anyone heard from Jessica, RH had a "high powered" shooting competition/event at the gun range (Peconic Sportsman Club), which is in Manorville, River Rd. That places him in the area🧐...I'm pretty sure that's what the entry in his schedule was for the first day fam went on vacation.

[@jessyjeantruecrime]

Maybe he was doing recon on the "DS" (as he calls it🙄) (ugh, he's so horrible.)

[@igneousidol]

I don't think we will hear about evidence connecting RH to victims charged to Bittrolff until after they go through the legalities of acquitting him or granting his appeal...I am not a lawyer, so I don't know for sure, but I think they are still looking at every victim that is similar and won't announce anything for certain until they have overwhelming evidence

[@elliesenko5173]

Swiss doctors are like: "Naaah, you're fine. Tip top!" Then the invoice comes. Sending greetings from Züri 😁 I've watched you since the start, Gisela 🐻 Since Gabby... I love your snarky comments. Busted by a pizza crust. Well done 👍

[@DORANNEJANE]

Question? Were the Bitrollf “ dates and murders” televised BEFORE Rex’s resent “ Costella ‘s murder? Meaning Rex could have removed the shoe after reading/watching the telly about the Bitrollf. Theres that huge difference of the 27 stab wounds too. They should look into the “ other” DNA forsure!!! Could be a good case for a mistrial if the police didnt keep all the other DNA .

[@colleeniebeanie3786]

I don’t think the police would give that clue then.

[@hauntsforhope]

Wow... this is a case for the Innocence Project.

[@Mko007]

Ugh I haven't gotten any notifications the last couple of days again. I wonder why 😢

[@Michelina22]

5:28 there’s no evidence that he killed them unless I missed something… He admitted that he was with them but didn’t kill them

[@BUDDYLEEJUNIOR]

His footnotes from "mind hunter" clearly mention that dismemberment is indicative of disorganized; it's clear to me, he was trying to confuse law enforcement by changing M.O. (and it worked) I think the left shoe thing is probably a similar ploy: designed to deceive. Also the timeline he wrote down 2000-2004 would indicate to me that he was aware that this would need changing again.

[@Toni-jq5mm]

Such a great show as usual Gisela thank you I love when you cover this case💕

[@jenn622]

Thank you for your video!

[@shawna7681]

I think John B should get a new trial.

[@WestLondon97]

G invite them on to GTC I’m so interested in why they were split before coming to a verdict

[@janetklumper6048]

Thanks so much Gisela❤

[@joy4434]

I wonder if they can positively link Rex to oak beach

[@deborahawatson6629]

Thank you!

[@adrianecolon5881]

I'm wondering if there is a serial killer club there in LongIsland where they compare each other's notes, thus Rex's note to self. I wouldn't put it past them if they met up under a "hunting club" teaching each other how to hunt. The does and don't's. on hunting peopleI not animals. Also wouldn't put it past them if they worked together in some cases. Which is why there is so much similarities and confusion between their MO's. I've always thought that who ever was responsible for these murders didn't work alone. I'm still not convinced that The person responsible for Shannon Gilbert's death worked alone.

[@cromleyluxrecorperation4071]

You just glossed over the fact that a police Sergeant’s was fingered by the wife of a fellow police officer that she knew the police officer killed one of the women. Why aren’t they going after the police sergeant? Maybe John Bitrolff was railroaded. One of Rex Hermann’s uncles was a police officer also.

[@sarahSeasons77]

I always thought he had police involved with him

[@marcies423]

I don't think ANY of this is a coincidence honestly. I think they were friends. John Bitrolff. I am starting to think this could be bigger than Rex Himself. like could there have been a network or something of people with similar interests and "hobbies" that somehow know each other? Because the girls were a type. As a true crime person this case is so much more massive than anything.

[@pamelahewlett1750]

You have said all of today's Long Island town names, correct!! 🎉💯🎉💯🎉

[@jnyptn]

What if Rex got “serviced” by Castilla and then she saw Bitroff and he unalived her??

[@Wikid1ne]

I wonder if they knew what each other were doing & almost "competing/collaborating" with each other for lack of better words

[@michaelatchison7756]

Thank you for all the accurate info. My thought about dumping the bodies. The killers all think they are the only one that is killing. That is a big area. They may have to use plan ‘b’ sometimes.

[@cherylkline1892]

Excellent info

[@cpoul]

Bittrolff doesn't meet the definition of serial killer.

[@GrizzlyTrueCrime]

I know. We spoke about that

[@alisongood9572]

Very useful to get an organized rundown and review.

[@tabbydawn]

I know serial killers usually work alone BUT what if they did some murders together?? Or a completely innocent man is in jail which is horrifying!

[@RL-hl1re]

Hi, is anybody taking a look at these weirdos and supposing possibly, that maybe given when the women’s are the wives were out of town and Rex Herman‘s life that he might’ve brought the girl to his house held her and then brought her to the hunting lodge, where all of them are in on it and it’s a hunting party where they’re hunting the biggest sport of all which is a live human being And has anybody else supposing what if they are taking turns with burying the bodies which would ensure mutual destruction if anybody told on anybody else. What if all these guys have a sick hunting club that’s designed to just make sure that they’re prayed is scared and human and then they have their way with her… It really makes sense It feels like some weird secret hunting club that maybe members graduate into act for a while so somebody’s older cases might’ve been these other guys and then you get indoctrinated in later and that’s why they’re such distinct different timelines… Maybe?

[@cromleyluxrecorperation4071]

Sounds to me like Tom Spota covered up for one of his police officers once again, probably at the Behest of James Burke.