John Lennox: Are Miracles REAL? (Brilliant Answer!)

[@Denise_CircularGrace]

Have the confidence to tell people with a loving heart that they are wrong! Brilliant message 😊

[@Practical.Wisdom]

Thank you for your interest. Circular Grace - lovely username.

[@victorhauk5973]

I believe the resurrection implicitly. Not because of any evidence of my eyes, nor because of reasoning, but because God testifying the reality of the resurrection in my soul constantly. To deny this testimony would be utter madness.

[@markoshun]

Now this is an honest answer. Bravo. Lennox pretends there’s a reason and rationale behind it, but there just isn’t and his arguments fall apart under scrutiny. Believers believe from their feelings, in their gut, in their soul. The brain, logic, and thoughts are all beside the point.

[@victorhauk5973]

@@markoshun thank you for pointing this out. It’s why we need to have our minds renewed in Christ.

[@bibleburner8426]

You should commit yourself to a psyche ward, then.

[@Obeytheroadrules]

What testimony. ? nothing was written about Jesus whilst he was alive, not a single word , Jesus himself was the son of God and performed miracles, but couldn’t write. ? ?? There is no such thing as the word of God, only the word of man pertaining to be God , learn the difference. Why would a god who is supposedly outside of time and space, all powerful…….has to rely on Bronze Age logic 🤔

[@victorhauk5973]

@@Obeytheroadrules we will see

[@tonysullivan1603]

I’m just a simple man and I understood his answer completely! It was a brilliant answer.

[@c.galindo9639]

It makes sense too. God is outside of time, space, and matter yet He can intervene at any moment to make a miracle happen. It’s an amazing epiphany

[@awoj51]

If a god is outside space, matter and time, he is not in my space and time. So I ignore this freak, even if he had existed. P.S he doesn't intervene in any way that can be observed or detected.@@c.galindo9639

[@GeoCoppens]

@@c.galindo9639 "God is outside of time, space, and matter..." How on earth do you or anyone KNOW??? Do you have a brain that works??? "God is outside of time, space, and matter", means basically that he does not EXIST!!!

[@c.galindo9639]

@@GeoCoppens uh it means He is not bound by what we are limited to and why he is omnipotent to our understanding of reality and we are connected to Him because we are remnants of manifestation willed into being

[@GeoCoppens]

@@c.galindo9639 Total rubbish! How did you get to this unnowable nonsense! You are a totally deluded nutcase! Go and get help from a psychiatrist!

[@outroot]

Is there a full video of this conference?

[@Practical.Wisdom]

yes. Here it is: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqqbgq1jesuCi80si=YWx_ZeTCKh5vT9X_

[@mizmera]

It seems God created everything and switched it to automatic. He can manually change anything He wants when He wants. THAT is the miracle.

[@gknight4719]

let's pretend that a god exists, if so, why would anyone worship such a monster?

[@mizmera]

@@gknight4719 interesting how you see it. So you will also call a dad of a family a monster. As he will protect them at all costs, ptovide fpr them, and im this case give the world a way out of eternal condemnation. So your dad was a monster rigjt? Pleaso.dont be.stupid.

[@gknight4719]

@@mizmera I think you will find that the god of the bible kicked Adam and Eve out of their home and crust them, read Genesis ch 3 vs 16 what kind of psychotic dad would do that to their daughter? then this monster gave us earthquakes that killed 46,000 Turks presently, tsunamis and malaria, bone cancer in children parasitic worms that blind thousands of children, and your loving god lets pedophiles rape children to death, and you love this monster.

[@osks]

In rebutting the idea of Rational Determinism, the 14th century philosopher, William of Ockham, recognised that the universe is not subject to logical necessity - instead, the entire universe and everything in it, is entirely contingent upon nothing other than the sovereign will of God who “sovereignly works out all things after the council of His will” (Eph 1:11)! In other words… God is under no duty or obligation to pander to the likes or the dislikes of the creature!

[@Practical.Wisdom]

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[@haydenwalton2766]

lennox once again playing his favourite game - how to be more intellectually dishonest than last time. this effort using the wonders of presup' bullshit

[@shreddedhominid1629]

The analogy he gives about the laws of England being broken not the “laws of arithmetic” completely backfires. If we apply the same logic to the supernatural events claimed in the Bible, we conclude the most reasonable conclusion: that people lied NOT that the laws of nature were suspended.

[@craigferguson3397]

The doesn't make the least bit of sense

[@shreddedhominid1629]

@@craigferguson3397 Yes it does. Lennox’s analogy makes no sense.

[@joshuanewsted2560]

Agreed, Lennox is thoroughly unconvincing.

[@mylatablan1516]

This is all I know, I was miraculously healed, so as my Dad and my son, in top of these i have been having visions of the Lord Jesus Christ, I've been blessed to be able to see his holy face on the holy Eucharist after my consecration to the holy face of Jesus, although i couldn't believe myself at first but now I am accepting that as a gift from the Lord after confessing that to a Catholic priest, and I am forever thankful to the Lord Jesus for a very special gift even when I don't deserve it..praise and glory to the our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ❤the Divine mercy chaplet is the last resort to gain heaven. Please consecrate yourselves and children to the holy face of Jesus it is one of the very powerful prayers there is available to everyone 🙏❤️ blessed are those who don't see but still believes 🙏God bless us all❤

[@lawrencenannes4260]

❤God bless❤

[@johnshannon9656]

If you have never been within one, real time, infused with Lord, you cannot understand. But you're not supposed to understand it.

[@desert_rose7171]

People trying to think of it in logical terms but He is above and beyond human logic

[@c.galindo9639]

Whoa. He just blew my mind with such a revelation in what he explained. It makes perfect sense and also explains how the Big Bang happened. It was God’s intervention. Quite fascinating to say the very least

[@jesuschristbiblebiblestudy]

Every morning you wake up alive and breathing is a miracle. Why not give thanks to our Lord Jesus Christ for it. Blessings, Pastor John

[@awoj51]

Same with me. It is a miracle of nature. Some day you and me will not wake up. Whoever is born, will die. What old fairy tales about gods have to do with this?

[@gknight4719]

Except for the 15,000 children that die every day, many from malaria that your god made, is that a miracle?

[@gknight4719]

@@Mario_Sky_521 LOOK AROUND YOU, we live in an ecosystem, one of KILL OR BE KILLED, EAT OR BE EATEN! SO WE ALL DIE! I accept that. To me, not one run by a loving god! BUT IF THERE IS ONE, it allows children to be born with bone cancer or lets 15,000 die every day many from malaria that it MADE! WTF IS A SOUL?

[@Lonewolf---]

@jesuschristbiblebiblestudy --- Except that it's NOT! A "miracle" is an event that violates the known laws of nature, including physics and chemistry--not the silly claims that theists try to pass off as miracles. 🙄

[@maciejtedeque8096]

​@@awoj51if you super it up as "fair tale" you already have shown that you do not knoe what any of this is about.

[@mikejurney9102]

Miracles occur to facilitate laws more fundamental than physics. What laws? The correspondence theory of truth. Reality corresponds to statements that are true. And any proposition that is true is proven by the fact that assuming it is false will still prove that it is true. Truth overcomes every attempt to negate it. And if the purpose of reality is to correspond to truth which overcomes every attempt to negate it, then we should expect that at least parts of reality will overcome the worst destruction imaginable. In other words, we should expect there to come a resurrection from the dead for those who stand on the principles of truth. Dr. Lennox was saying that miracles occur when God intervenes. But God is that which upholds truth; his word is truth. This is saying the same thing, that there can be principles of truth that take precedence over physics. At present the laws of physics are not derived from logic; they can change if not accurate enough. But logic does not change, and it's conclusions cannot be overturned by physics.

[@gknight4719]

You are making a claim there is a god? please present your testable repeatable evidence, never been done to my knowledge!

[@mikejurney9102]

@@gknight4719 At most I've claimed that "God is Truth". And that this God controls everything. This is saying nothing more than what science is claiming. Namely, that the universe is intelligible, that there is some Force of Logic that maintains all reality as a consistent set of facts such that science is even possible. And this underlying Principle of Reason must exist everywhere at all times, takes everything into account and controls everything that happens. For otherwise, there could not be "universal laws of nature" which some claim miracles violate. Yet, this Logical control of Nature can be taken as the willful intention of a Supreme Being, which we call God who is Omnipresent, Omniscient, and Omnipotent. It's all the same premise. The problem is that we cannot actually prove that all reality is governed by this Principle of Reason; we cannot prove that God exists. This is because it is our starting premise; it is an axiom from which we derive the ability to do science, from which we derive moral and spiritual truths. For axioms in and of themselves are by definition not provable. They must be taken on faith and used to derive other theorems and principles. The only proof that the axioms are true is that the principles we derive from them do makes sense and are usable in our lives.

[@melroycorrea7720]

​​@@gknight4719the first part of his argument never spoke of God. He spoke of the primacy of Truth over any negation. And he said, it was logically fitting, that a man of truth should never die, though physically, this is not what we see. The Resurrection, then testifies, to the primacy of logical laws, which anyways are more perfect than physical laws. That's a fascinating argument, for me. It aligns with what Mahatma Gandhi once said, Truth is God and God is Truth.

[@gknight4719]

@@melroycorrea7720This god you speak of, did it make malaria? That has been responsible for more deaths on this earth than wars! IS THAT A MIRICAL?

[@mash9592]

Wonderful answer! I will have to steal some of this for my own use. Another thing I also always think about is this; as the atheists say, Jesus claiming to be God is an extraordinary claim (though I believe the phrase they use is better said "Any claim requires sufficient evidence", but I think God humored their arguments by His actions anyways). It wouldn't be right to just believe anyone claiming to be God without evidence, but what kind of evidence could someone use to prove they're God? There's at least 2 sure ways, 2 pieces of extraordinary (or as we say, supernatural) evidence to back up His claim; either to say something that only God could know, or do something only God could do. Anyone can claim to be God, but only God can walk on water, open blind eyes, and raise the dead. Only God can truly and accurately prophesy the future (though this evidence takes longer to play itself out). I think that if someone wants to claim miracles break the laws of nature, the very fact that they could and that we still have evidence for their happening proves that they can only be done by God, not being bound by nature's laws Himself (although I do agree with John's point, that the laws aren't necessarily being completely broken, just interfered with). In another example, a computer may not be able to go against its core programming, but certainly its programmer would have no trouble changing the code whenever and however he pleased.

[@theeeway7]

Praise Elohim for John Lennox.

[@Sirrus-Adam]

I do like John's point about physical reality not being a closed system with respect to miracles. We can't see the angels who perform them. They don't actually violate the laws of physics, but like any sufficiently sophisticated technology being indistinguishable for magic, their ability to manipulate time, or molecules in our cells, makes it look like magic, or miracles. While his account of Joseph and Mary is a generous one, he failed to account for the apostles' messages about Jesus being in competing with other religions, some of which also had virgin births, so in an effort to paint Jesus in the best light possible in order to sell it, "maiden" birth, which is what Jesus' was, conveniently got mistranslated into a "virgin" birth. It was Gabriel's visitation to Mary that Joseph questioned. That, he could not have had an explanation for. But then, John would have to read The Urantia Book to get that version of Jesus birth on August 21, 7 BC at noon.

[@hiramcooper9708]

Jesus Was Born Incarnate Jesus was born incarnate to a young Jewish virgin, lived a sin free life, was illegally persecuted and then crucified on a cross on Calvary. He arose three days later defeating death and ascended into Heaven where He sits at the right hand of God.. Jesus met with 515 people after His resurrection in a dozen different occasions over a period of about 40 days before He ascended into Heaven. Jesus knew He was entering the world to be the final and ultimate sacrifice for the sin of mankind. His body had been divinely prepared by God specifically for that purpose. Jesus was going to die for the sins of the world, and He knew it. Moreover, He was doing it willingly and joyfully. Jesus came to earth to reveal God to mankind and teach truth. He came to fulfill the Law and offer His kingdom to mankind. He came to show us how to live. He came to reveal God’s love. He came to bring peace. He came to heal the sick. He came to minister to the needy. He was raised in a family who didn't believe in His divinity. He had six half-brothers and two or three half-sisters who didn't believe in His divinity until after His resurrection. What gets me is demons knew His divinity but many men and women of His time didn't. I presume Mary and Joseph knew His divinity. But in Luke 2:49-50 [NKJV] “He said to them, [His earthly parents] “Why did you seek Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father’s business?” This makes me wonder, did they not understand Jesus' divinity? "But seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you." (Matthew 6:33 NKJV) Luke 3:23 states that Jesus was "about 30 years of age" at the start of his ministry. Jesus preformed 14-15 miracles (they were called signs) in the three years or so of His ministry on earth. Many miracles were preformed by Jesus Christ but not specifically identified and recorded in God's word. Jesus' miracles were followed by Jesus forgiving the individuals of their sins and commanding they sin no more. Many of Jesus' miracles were not identified. No other religious leader forgave mankind of their sins. Our sins separate us from God, and there’s nothing we can do to make things right. So, we need someone to save us from our sins and make us acceptable to God. That someone is Jesus Christ. “Neither is there salvation in any other: for among men there is given no other Name under heaven, whereby we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12 GNV) That’s why God sent Jesus to earth. Jesus’ death on the cross paid for every wrong we’ve ever committed or will commit in the future. Jesus made it possible for us to have a relationship with God the Father. We are sinner from birth and need help, Jesus Christ is that help, our only hope. Therefore by the deeds of the law (Ten Commandments) no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law our sins are recognized not saved. We must confess (repent) of our sins and iniquities before Jesus Christ, at the foot of the cross daily. Jesus said in Matthew 28:19, to His disciples that: “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.” I will not stand before The Great White Throne of God, my sins have been cleansed by Jesus Christ's crucifixion on the cross. And I am clothed in the righteousness of Christ of all my sins and iniquities before-today, today and forever. I Love Jesus Christ and despite of the fact that I'm human and I fail Him daily, I pick up my cross daily and follow Him. I believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that He was crucified on the cross where He died for my sins and inequities and that He rose again on the 3rd day to give me a way through salvation and sanctification, known and unknown. He loves me dearly and has forgiven me of my sins and inequities. His Word says that if I deny Him before men, He will deny me before His Father. Following, I believe are the greatest verses in God's Word. "But seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you." (Matthew 6:33 NKJV) “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16 NKJV) I am a Christ-follower and live in the Kingdom of God on earth in Jesus Christ, my Lord, Savior and Leader. I have faith and trust in the grace and mercy of God for eternal life for my soul in Heaven when I pass from this life into paradise. I proclaim this openly to the world, that I am sinner, that I am sorry for my sins and iniquities and repent of my sins and iniquities and receive Jesus Christ by faith into my heart, mind and soul as my Lord, Savior and Leader. I openly confess Him as Lord from this moment on, I want to follow Him, I pledge to obey Him daily, and read His word. I will include those in my prayers who are lost and have chosen to deny God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. Our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ declared: “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” (John 14:6 NKJV) I am in the “Lamb's Book of Life” and will not face “The Great White Throne of God” which leads to Hell. Jesus said: “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.” (Matthew 11:28-29 KJV) The grace and glory be to God. God bless

[@johnday8677]

I may be dumb but “ who did put their hand in “?

[@debbiestott3651]

A theif

[@iggy1644]

It's an analogy of God's intervention in the natural realm

[@Sundayschoolnetwork]

I love the teachings of John Lennox, however, on this point he's wrong, the Bible tells us that Jesus raised himself, that God raised him, and the Holy Spirit raised him. The Trinity worked together to raise Jesus. 🙌🙌🙌

[@lyndonfring6421]

Believe what you think is true, change your mind when you see fit. But keep it to your self. If your belief were true, then other people would find this out for themselves as well.

[@Practical.Wisdom]

'That's what YOU think, but you're NOT allowed to say that in public! People can only hear MY OWN NARRATIVE.' That's what totalitarian regimes do. They force people to keep their beliefs to themselves. It doesn't work, I'm afraid.

[@mikedunningham9614]

If miraculous doings are true then why didn’t anyone notice (several dozen contemporaries) mention anything about the resurrection. Not a tiny whisper. Gods existence is an irrelevance. What is just happens is, what isn’t isnt. Simple, easy, quite relaxing and reasonable isn’t it. Cheers Mike

[@Knightedddd]

I see Gods miracles in every strawberry. Out of Earth, dirt , a seed and water a beautiful sweet red fruit grows. Without Gods plan this would just remain earth and dirt and water.

[@paulhagen5645]

Are miracles real? Nope. And that's that.

[@Practical.Wisdom]

We finally sorted that out. THANK YOU!

[@paulhagen5645]

@@Practical.Wisdom No problem. Sorry for beating about the bush.

[@honahwikeepa2115]

Flew was at least an honest observer. Great mate of C S Lewis.

[@Marc010]

So you believe in a talking snake, talking donkey, a guy who built a boat and lived to be 900 years old, a guy inside a fish for three days, a guy who resurrected AND cause graves to open and dead people to rise. Sure you do.

[@Practical.Wisdom]

I think that's a caricaturisation of what Christianity actually is.

[@Marc010]

@@Practical.Wisdom Hardly. That's part of your book.

[@SusanReeve-w8m]

Believing is not wisdom…..it is believing. Believing presents no evidence. That is not wisdom that is lack of curiosity.

[@jamesfletcher7196]

If you read the Bible, resurrection is the hope of every Christian, except for those who are still alive at Christ's Coming. 1 Corinthians 15. The doctrine of the immortal soul and its corollary, eternal torment in hell, is unscriptural.

[@MichaelJones-xk3rb]

If a head was severed and reattached, and the person became back to normal, now that would count as a miracle. I've never heard of a miracle such as that.

[@jameshale6401]

Cut off a branch of a tree Cut off a lizards tail Cut someone hair finger nail They all grow back Name one thing you spew is not a miracle from a whole human to a grain of sand and lets see you create it So did the heart make blood or the blood make the heart and all it hooks to So did the mom tell the baby how to form in her gut or did the baby tell itself or did it form on its own no guidance Well why would it need moms gut Or does something from outside matter make matter Does intelligence make matter or matter make intelligence why cant a brick be intelligence You could write a book with all knowledge in it but is the book alive and can you eat or drink that book or rub it on a sunburn to soothe you You cant dig much truth with a rubber shovel

[@endofdaysprophet]

Thanks to my relationship with YAHWEH the entire world was able to experience a MIRACLE of epic proportions. Like the plagues of Egypt the COVID 19 was the beginning of the 'END OF F DAYS '

[@Dr_Oleg_Kulikov]

I am a PhD in physics and math. Quantum physics was a part of my education. And like the inventor of quantum physics Werner Heisenberg was a devoted Christian, I am. Quantum physics explains Bible, signs, and miracles. Many miracles happenedin my life, and I can do miracles myself. A problem that if I try to explain the miracle as it is, people say, it is a coincidence. Even if probability of it is almost impossible, they don't believe me. Whatever, not anybody is chosen.

[@SextusHempiryk]

Bwahaha good trolling 😂😂😂

[@Dr_Oleg_Kulikov]

@@SextusHempirykare you getting to hell already during your miserable life, eh?

[@JamesCouch777]

I've seen several miracles but most people evidently have not. However, there are enough eye witnesses with documentation of miracles that any honest person can't deny they happen.

[@Dr_Oleg_Kulikov]

@@JamesCouch777 It will not help. I was trying to convert my Thai wife to Christianity and demonstrated her a miracle. I gave her a lucky number for Thai lottery. It worked. Even if it was clear evidence, she decided that it is just a coincidence. Yep. The probability of the coincidence was far less than one to million. Yet, she didn't accept it. For her, I am a crazy stupid man while she is a smart lady. Despite I am a doctor in science while she has low education. The same story with my previous wife. Even if she was participating in it, she just had not accepted it. Talking didn't change anything. Only chosen people will see, hear, and understand.

[@umvhu]

Typical of John Lennox, broad knowledge and deep insight! I would have answered differently. 1/. Can we determine the powers of the Law Maker? I don't think He changes the natural laws He has made, He adds another component. 2/. We use the word miracle, but I'm told the parts of the New Testament that were written in Greek use the word meaning 'a sign'. To my mind, do we consider an event that is highly unusual as a freak chance, a sign, or a miracle; it's down to the individual to chose what they want to believe, it's a part of the 'faith' subject.

[@markoshun]

Lennox’s analogy falls apart on a closer look. If god is like the thief with his hand in the drawer to resurrect his son, Lennox says he’s not breaking the laws of nature, he’s only breaking the laws of the country.. What?? That makes no sense. If you have a security camera in the area, you can see the thief coming and going. Instead of arguments, why not just produce the god equivalent of security footage?

[@OppoA16-fz6rp]

John is funny...

[@S.S.Gaiseb]

I think you missed his point. What he meant was God created the "laws of nature" meaning he cannot break them, but supposedly if ressurection is illegal then he broke the law of the country.

[@S.S.Gaiseb]

It the same as God taking a life and you taking a life, God is not violating anything because He is the giver of life, and can decide to give life and take life e.g why were you born and not someone else in your place that's not you, but if you decide to take someone's life you have no right because you did not give them that life. Self-defense is something else.

[@markoshun]

⁠​⁠@@S.S.Gaiseb I don’t understand your comment.. we are talking about analogies. He’s saying god’s hand is like the thief who’s only breaking the laws of the land.. but of course, the resurrection breaks the law of nature. We know there are thieves, we know there are drawers and money, that someone can sneak in and take the money is only breaking the laws of the land. Resurrection is breaking the laws of nature, whether he created them himself or not. So the analogy falls apart. There is no human law against resurrection.

[@markoshun]

@@S.S.Gaiseb I completely disagree with you here. I hear people saying this all the time that because god has ultimate power over us, created us, that he then has the right to kill us if he wills. There is no world I can dream up where that is a moral concept. You exclude self defense as far as a justified killing, but a closer fit to what you are saying about god would be killing your child.. total nonsense and an immoral position.

[@blacksilus7419]

Question: what evidence is there for the resurrection? Lennox: God is able to break with natural law and resurrect Jesus. Hmmm as usual from Lennox, not one scrap of evidence. All Lennox ever argues is that if there is a god then everything that happened in the bible is true. But where is your evidence he does exist ???

[@mesplin3]

I just flipped 100 coins and every single one of them was heads. Divine intervention must be involved. So this must be a miracle.

[@Practical.Wisdom]

It's called the god of the gaps, a strawman argument.

[@mesplin3]

@@Practical.Wisdom Gotcha. The human eye is very complicated and unlikely to exist due to chance. If I were to claim that divine intervention was involved then I would be utilizing a God of the gaps argument. So the existence of the human eye is not a miracle.

[@jameshale6401]

Lets see you first from nothingness make a coin and then flip it but it because you cant create nothing for it to land on it now spins foever Rubber shovels dont dig very deep so try again in your quest to question GOD ALMIGHTY

[@BeefT-Sq]

@@Practical.Wisdom "Needless to say, a rational man never distorts or corrupts his own standards and judgment in order to appeal to the irrationality , stupidity or dishonesty of others." -Ayn Rand-

[@MrBugPop]

I have seen elections, rejections, injections and erections, but for as long as I live and breathe I will never witness a resurrection and I’d bet no one else has or ever will either. It’s a sham of the highest order!😂😂😂

[@Practical.Wisdom]

I am also convinced that I will never witness a resurrection and I bet no one else ever will either.

[@Lonewolf---]

NO--given that not a single one has ever been documented as such!

[@msmd3295]

DNA is not "a code that speaks with intelligence." Intelligence is a code that speaks "because" of DNA. There's a difference. Lennox, nor any other person can present a rigorous and compelling argument in favor of actual miracles, the way they are represented in biblical texts. According to Merriam-Webster, the definition[s] that apply to the notion of religious or spiritual "miracles" are defined: "an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs." The idea of a miracle has been distorted to include the second definition in Merriam-Webster as: "an extremely outstanding or unusual event, thing, or accomplishment." They are NOT the same thing. The second definition can apply to ordinary Natural phenomenon. Whereas, "miracle" in the religions sense applies to the Supernatural. It's confusing language to utilize the same concept for two completely different ideas. Another example in which religious concepts are often distorted in with the concepts of Trust and Faith... they are often used interchangeably when they in fact are not the same. Again, Faith according to Merriam-Webster is [and again examining faith from a "religious" perspective; "belief and trust in and loyalty to God" (2) "belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion" b(1) "firm belief in something for which there is no proof." Trust on the other hand is a belief in the evidence. Meaning there either is or is not evidence. If there is no evidence than one would be justified in Not believing something. And if there were evidence, that might be a good reason to have trust in something or someone. It's far better to Trust in Empirical events [as to whether or not there is evidence] because at least empirical events have the ability to be measured. One can't do any of that with faith-based belief because the object of one's belief cannot be proven in any way. Thus, certain physical phenomenon may occur and when it does, even though it might be "unusual" does not make it a miracle. It's just an unusual and unexpected empirical event. It might be unexplained initially but at least it's something that can be physically examined. You cannot do that with god.

[@melroycorrea7720]

No religious thinker has ever said, that God is a measurable reality. And, from a faith perspective, both usual and unusual events proclaims the glory of God. However, when unusual things happen, as an answer to a prayer, that event helps in strengthening a person's faith in God. However, no amount of miracles can help you, if you do not possess faith in the first place. Even before any atheists could say it, it was Thomas Aquinas, a philosopher also acclaimed as a saint in the Catholic Church, who said, "For the one who believes, no evidence is required, for the one who doesn't believe, no amount of evidence is enough." So, you are not saying anything new. However, most of us, do not occupy an extreme position, of total faith or no faith. And that is why, its a fact that most people do look for miracles. Even I see atheists who invoke some luck or positive vibes to be on their side.Very few can survive on cold logic. Nobody is a complete believer or unbeliever.

[@msmd3295]

@@melroycorrea7720 oh contraire !! You've engaged at least ONE. "usual and unusual events proclaims the glory of God", YOUR WORDS. If god is NOT a measurable reality then how can you or anyone else be so self-confident that the real world proclaims god's works. Explain the direct connection between an unmeasurable entity and the physical universe. With what... god's word? That's laughable and even delusional. So... want to base everything that happens in the NATURAL universe is directly related to an entity no one can present any evidence of? How to explain known physical laws of cause < effect relationships which is one of the founding principles of SCIENCE. If most people weren't offended I'd say they all need psychological counseling. You might as well claim that leprechauns are responsible for creating the universe. Do you believe in purple unicorns? If so, I might have a used car I'd like to sell you.. If you're a bible thumper and read a bible daily might I point out to you a very much overlooked biblical passage that encourages people to act like mature adults; 1 Corinthians 13:11. All that stuff you believe... try growing up instead. Even the bible says so.

[@Red-Feather]

It's called the law of indemnity. Study the Principle.

[@weeringjohnny]

I'm no philosopher but this does not sound like a brilliant answer but rather one confused and beside the point.

[@redemption-ministries]

Hey mate, his point is that God given miracles by their definition break the laws of nature. The historical evidences point us toward the resurrection of Jesus from the dead which is impossible humanly speaking. If he has risen, as the evidences tell us, then God is real. Go well.

[@weeringjohnny]

@@redemption-ministries Thanks for your input. Best wishes.

[@desert_rose7171]

One day you will.

[@weeringjohnny]

Maybe but don't hold your breath.​@@desert_rose7171

[@GeoCoppens]

...miracles are not violations of natural laws but rather events that transcend our current understanding. That's an evasion of the question, Lennox! Don't you understand anything!?

[@gknight4719]

logic and critical thinking are the enemies of FAITH.

[@GeoCoppens]

@@gknight4719 Right!

[@maylingng4107]

Faith = belief without any evidence.

[@RodMartinJr]

*_God's LAW is superior_* to the two-sided (dichotomous), regular (continuity-based) physical laws. The "laws" of *_Cause-and-Effect_* are constrained to the physical half of reality; BUT the LAWS of *_Cause-and-Free will_* are available from any location in BOTH halves of reality. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯

[@JamshidRowshan]

Magic?

[@moanilehuajansson3382]

MIRACLES ARE A CONCIOUSE CONNECTION OF ALL ELEMENTS IN A TIME OF NEED TO SUCEED

[@GeoCoppens]

‘Never confuse education with intelligence, you can have a PhD and still be an idiot.’ Richard P. Feynman

[@Practical.Wisdom]

What is the alternative to education?

[@GeoCoppens]

@@Practical.Wisdom Easy enough: non-education!!!

[@JD-ro7xe]

First you believe in God, then it's easy to believe anything.

[@Practical.Wisdom]

What else do you think Christian may believe in, that falls within the same category?

[@JD-ro7xe]

@@Practical.Wisdom I meant when you believe in the existence of a god, you're locking up logical thinking, and you're ready to believe in anything that goes with the belief .

[@karugumureithi3988]

Offcourse, because you lose your reasoning capability when you believe in gods.

[@AnampiuMarangu]

Mark 5:35-36 men knowledge so so lower to spiritual realm

[@patelk464]

John,.in his usual manner, didn’t answered the question that was asked. It is true, mathematics is an attempt to describe natural law. Deviation from the expected behaviour does not necessarily mean a miracle. The term is reserved for observation that defies natural explanation and not just mathematical. A person resurrection from dead is a miracle provided that they were actually medically dead and not just presumed dead. Even better would be an resurrection after the body has started to decompose. As for ancient being easy to fool into believing in miracles. The example given by John is a deliberate misinformation. Ancient peole would have known where babies came from. The question was alluding to observations such as the Sun, tides, lightening, eclipse, certain chemical reactions and other aspect being attributed to god. Even today scammers use chemical reactions and illusions to convince uneduced people that they have some magical powers. As for story of recovering from being blind, a mythical story is not proof of anything. Similarly, an explanation of how a resurrection could occur is not a proof of it occurring. So, yet another lazy response from John. Unfortunately, this is expected as he has given up on giving any actual evidence.

[@robertl.6919]

Simple answer: there is no scientific proof of any miracle in the scientific documentation. When using the word " proof" you need to be coherent. The real question is " who believes in miracles ? ". That's it. You do or you don't. There is nothing more about it.

[@Netomp51]

Do you know how miracles are classified by miracles in the catholic.faith ?

[@robertl.6919]

@@Netomp51 Miracles ? I don't care how the Catholic Church decides whether or not a miracle happened. I care about what science says about it. That's the whole point.

[@Netomp51]

@@robertl.6919 ok perfect so then you agree with the catholic churches, they verified with Scientists there’s no possible scientific explanation for the phenomenon before classifying anything as miracle, please review the Vatican archives and avoid pre assumptions, seems you are brainwashed to be against anything related to Religion.

[@Netomp51]

@@robertl.6919 ok perfect, the catholic church has renowned scientists institutions to confirm whether a medical phenomena has scientific explanation or not, the scientific institutions are actually the ones that have the last word, please read more about the Vatican archives, God bless you.

[@jeffreyluciana8711]

Miracles are physically possible. Jesus performed many miracles.

[@BeefT-Sq]

"An irrational society is a society of moral cowards --..." -Ayn Rand-

[@PeterFarrell-e4t]

Again, SOPHISTRY, if the laws of nature or physics are broken, they are no longer LAWS. Consequently, the universe could not exist. This man appeals to a limited mindset!

[@inquisitive_stranger]

It seems that you and I have a different definition of brilliant...... I see nothing but, if so, and what if, and it might.... No solid proof of anything....

[@joshuanewsted2560]

This is so absurd. Does Lennox buy all the “miracles” of every other religion? If not, why? This is preaching to the choir and nothing more

[@GeoCoppens]

The Bible says the Sun revolves around the Earth! Look it up!

[@tarp-grommet]

Oh John. You "little story" was a complete fabrication. It seems that outright lies are OK as long as they are in the service of the lord. The rest of your recitation was not as mendacious as it was pleasant-sounding gibberish.

[@OppoA16-fz6rp]

Sometime he go nut other time he is ok ..maybe he really tried too hard.

[@kevinastraw]

There were no miracles. If they had been performed as described in the gospels, every head (including the Romans) would have bowed to their performer. Saul, as a contemporary of the real Jesus, would have written his gospel (along with an infinite number of other contemporary gospels) while he was alive. The gospels are not history, they are texts designed to convince possible converts of the divine nature of their Jesus Christ. But the real Jesus was a rabbi (or equivalent "master") and he is thus described throughout the gospels. Unsurprisingly considering the long intense study needed to become a rabbi he would have taught Judaism not Christianity. For a person steeped from childhood for decades in Judaic culture the idea that he would claim to be the son of God and equal to him in every way would have been a blasphemy. The gospels thus are lies for they insist that their text is historical when it is really myth. When the rich young ruler comes to Jesus and calls him "Good master...", it is the real Jesus who replies "Why do you call me good, there is none good but God"! That response destroys utterly the idea that the real Jesus whilst alive was the Christ.

[@dareesjrudethpetrvysnhu3297]

Isn't it a miracle... we are a homosapien-society... insteed... HUMANITY-PEACEFULLY ? YIS-YA

[@490Believer]

The creator of natural laws, and violate the natural laws anytime he also chooses.

[@rollyson1874]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4bCl5Wip9lsd6ssi=RpyWdEqeliQEH9AZ ? Is this true or edited

[@Practical.Wisdom]

It’s an AI generated video to draw attention to an event with John Lennox in London, talking about AI.

[@joemason8667]

Total jiberish..

[@Steve-in-the-uk]

Theist nonsense

[@theaverageparkrunner]

Brilliant answer ? Really ? No, just typical John Lennox waffle.

[@Johnshaw111]

Some people believe everything out John says. No wonder her thinks he knows everything.

[@metaspacecrownedbytime4579]

Still discussing the reality of miracles performed by Jesus? This is so immature and shows where you are. You are missing the point. It is like a toddler arrogantly questioning the value of education.

[@georgemonnatjr.172]

That's a lot of ad hominem logical fallacy. Do you have any actual evidence to back your claims?

[@gknight4719]

I am not sure of your point, are you suggesting John is just making it up" If so, I agree.

[@mauricefrost8900]

How about discussing the miracles which happen in some churches in this country today?

[@gknight4719]

@@mauricefrost8900 Can you give an example, did a child born with no legs grow them back at this church?

[@mauricefrost8900]

@@gknight4719 Let me give you a couple of examples from our small village church. Last year one of our church leaders, who is a farmer, needed some work done and agreed to pick up the workman concerned. As he picked him up he noticed that the workman was wearing some electrical equipment and a monitor on his body. As neither had eaten they agreed to go to a local café and get some breakfast. Over breakfast our farmer friend asked the workman what the equipment was. He replied that he was having heart issues and that this was a heart monitor that he had to wear for 24 hours. At the end of that period he would return to the doctor, who would download the data from the machine, assess the issue and recommend next steps. Our friend said that he wasn’t having that, leaned over the table, put his hand on the man’s heart and prayed for healing in the name of Jesus. They noticed that it was 9.20 am and as they had now finished breakfast they needed to press on with their work. A couple of days later the workman contacted our farmer friend to say that he had been back to the doctors, had the data examined and the doctor had said that there as nothing wrong with his heart. He gave our friend a copy of the data print-out, which he brought to church the following Sunday for us to see. It showed red irregular heartbeat for every 10 minute reading throughout the report, until it suddenly switched to green regular heartbeats, at 9.20 am that morning. The doctor could not offer an explanation for this sudden regularisation of the heartbeat. Another person in our church over a period of a few days developed painful lumps at the base of their spine. They went to their doctor who prescribed antibiotics and a hospital visit. The hospital identified this as a not uncommon condition, which would require a rather unpleasant operation to resolve it. When asked if there was any alternative to the operation, the doctor said that without the operation ‘It will only get worse’. The person took the antibiotics and also prayed for healing in the name of Jesus. The condition cleared. However a few weeks later the condition recurred. This time the person did not take any antibiotics, but once again prayed for healing in the name of Jesus. Once again the condition cleared and they have not had the operation which the hospital said was necessary. However the condition has never returned over a period in excess of five years, despite the hospital advising that without the operation ‘It will only get worse’. Am I suggesting that these examples, plus others readily locatable on KZbin, should be enough to turn a sceptic into a Christian? Absolutely not. But I would suggest that in light of the evidence available, a wise person would choose to examine the range of Christian experience in depth, and come to their conclusions on the basis of that evidence.

[@bjornyesterday887]

"Transcend". The Christians favourite weasel word.

[@reality4330]

God made natural laws therefore He is able to use these laws as His will be done. Because we do not have near the intelligence as God who’s to say these laws are being ignored. If God wanted to not use these laws to do a miracle who are we to say he can’t

[@BeefT-Sq]

"There are no defenders of reason ---in the country that was created not by historical accident but by philosophical design." -Ayn Rand-