John MacArthur's Church Discipline of Mother Who Protected Her Kids

[@RuslanKD]

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[@salote-fj6793]

I watched that extensive delivery from Mike Winger...my mind was blown wide upon on this topic ..I second the motion to watch and get the deep knowledge on Marriage and separation and divorce on the biblical standard!

[@ksr622002]

Greg Bahnsen wrote a good article and exegesis on abuse as grounds for divorce but it was also sexual abuse now. Wow!

[@lawthebaptistmann6820]

Where is the follow up report for the Full Article ? .. thx.

[@RuslanKD]

@@lawthebaptistmann6820 it’s coming

[@lawthebaptistmann6820]

@@RuslanKD thx, I should get the notification if hit the bell icon 😜

[@cjparenzini]

This woman is a massive warrior. To be abused, and her children abused, and stand against a title wave of what I can only say is demonic accusations and lies shows her true stance in Christ. She clearly knows Jesus for who He is and not what the church claims He is. Wow.

[@mobetta3456]

Amen, and to stand against the abuse this guy preaches from his pulpit, distorting the Bible.

[@mobetta3456]

I lived in a Christian cult where the leader bragged of preaching the Bible and being a sort of self-declared prophet. I've seen the type that try to hide their abuse behind being "biblical." You can judge a tree by its fruit.

[@rwdchannel2901]

@@mobetta3456 What did he distort in the Bible?

[@Slurpee_Burger]

Tidal

[@OkieAllDay]

Right on

[@heartstrings110]

Lord, vindicate this mother. Restore her public dignity, and protect her and her children.

[@truarnett5519]

Super Amen!

[@koalalou68]

Yes, Lord...Have mercy🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@yonibuni2423]

Amen

[@postscriptciara]

Amen

[@las8883]

Amen

[@andrewmjohnson]

Man that footage of him publicly shaming her absolutely broke my heart.

[@dawsonmurray4188]

I’m a Calvinist and I’ve benefited a lot from MacArthur’s ministry, and this is one of the most disheartening and disappointing thing that I’ve heard in a long while. I pray for repentance for the elders and leaders involved at Grace, I pray it for her husband, and I pray that Eileen and her children would continue to grow in the grace of the Lord. But this should remind us to not put our hope and faith in pastors or preachers, but in Christ and Christ alone. Even men who are as great as teachers as John MacArthur, are still sinners in need of grace. Lord keep us from the evil in our own hearts. Lord may we seek to be like You in doing justice and righteousness, protecting those who can’t protect themselves.

[@lavenderflowers1075]

You're the only one who has a balanced view.

[@MrTHEMADGUY]

Thanks for your comment. While not a Calvinist myself I deeply respect the high esteem for God and Scripture I find in people like Calvinists and the John McArthur "camp" (not being derogative here). However this story is really sickening. Not surprised unfortunately because it seems to me there is waaaayyy too much emphasis on John MA, and others members of the Calvinist pantheon like Spurgeon (e.g. this litany of "Prince of preachers" bis repetitam ad nauseam), etc. Not that I dislike Spurgeon, but I don't understand putting so much emphasis on men, no matter how good and deep their work was. All of this while I see so much (often justified) criticism in those same circles, against stardom culture in other non-Calvinist circles... this is perplexing. Of course the exact same issue happens in other circles, this is not a Calvinist problem. When people are put that high on a pedestal, it's only a matter of time until at least some sort of abuse occurs.

[@Nov_Net]

Well said

[@nynie90]

Thing is this is not the first time this sort of abusive behavior has been reported about JM. It's just that many people in the Calvinist circle ignore or dismissed the previous ones

[@MrTHEMADGUY]

@Philippians 44 hold your horses! Man, so much hate in your completely unbalanced post! While I see some rationale behind all of your points, your post is blinded by and stirred by some hatred against Calvinists...

[@brittanypenner1630]

Ruslan! Thank you so much for playing that pastor who gave grounds for divorce. I was married to an abusive man who told me I could not leave him because it's a sin. But I finally gathered the courage to leave. When I heard that pastor speaking on David and the exceptions; I almost cried. I love the Lord with all my heart. My ex-husband even put a pillow over my face when we were married. He could havd killed me numerous times. But God!!

[@veethebest9445]

You are so brave sis, bless you ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@Kontroversial84]

It's a sin for you to leave him, but it's not a sin for him to abuse you? That's crazy

[@jannepetersen4660]

God is very clear about marriage in His word. Love one another and help one another, respect one another, end of story, violence belongs to the devil......God bless you.....

[@terriabraham2242]

Brittany, i just heard for the first time what "fornication" means the way Jesus described it, and God does not required you to be abused at all. i watched Allen Nolan of Cornerstone Fellowship on youtube, and he was so thorough and true to scripture and my guilt of leaving my husband and feeling unloved by God are all gone. one of his sermons on who must submit was all it took. to quote him, "the person who has the most authority in the home should be the most submissive." he explains the role of the husband properly. other good sermons by him are under similar titles.

[@davidjunior9603]

Sorry sister for what happened

[@avi4875]

I listen to McArthur. I get why in this culture people get defensive on behalf of pastors but if you view a pastor, a man at the end of the day, as beyond critique and faultless, you've stepped into idolatry.

[@jlabate1]

Well said. Flaws can are a part of all of us.

[@starlingswallow]

Exactly!!

[@JG4AU]

Well said!!! I’ve met people who rave over the fact they shook a mega church pastors hand. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@LadyBug31705]

That is cult mentality!

[@rc9266]

Agreed ALL men are sinners!

[@WestCoastWatchman89]

This is a reminder for me to never put anyone on a pedal stool. We gotta have our own relationships with God and continue to use wisdom.

[@littleboots9800]

If I ever find a pedal stool I will definitely make sure not to put anyone on it! 😜

[@lserr8409]

@@littleboots9800 Now, now..that's not nice. .😌

[@littleboots9800]

@@lserr8409 haha! Just kidding with him, no offence meant!

[@lserr8409]

@@littleboots9800 Oh, I know..all good 😊

[@Amanda..A]

@@littleboots9800 I can't say anything because I had this t-shirt when I was a kid that had a picture of a little girl jumping rope and it said "Jump rope anyone?" And I read it as "Jump rope annie onnie" because I thought that was the little girl's name! LMAO

[@satishjacob3905]

As an admirer of John Mac, I'm infuriated with the way this whole thing was handled. I also don't understand why women are the ones who are told to endure suffering instead to reprimanding men that it is also their main responsibility to love their wives and children

[@billsmith2815]

@@pinkwonderpower7906 Yes. It reminds me of of John 8 when the Pharisees brought the woman caught in the act of adultery but it takes two. Where was the man? 🤔 Perhaps Jesus wrote on the ground the passage that says, both shall be put to death? Where was the husband's church discipline in all of this? This sickens my stomach. As much judgment that I have heard come from the GCC pulpit, this is definitely an eye opener. Lord help us all to walk in love and truth. 🙏🏾

[@aunty_teetee]

Because misogyny...?

[@syd7801]

I'd want to bet if that husband had taken a swing at MacArthur, the cops were going to be called asap and the church would cut all ties with him. So their stance on the wife having to endure it, is hypocritical.

[@las8883]

@@syd7801 you're absolutely right. No one would dare advise him to stand there and get his butt kicked so why should a mother watch and stand by as her husband abuses their children?

[@jennydoucette2538]

@@aunty_teetee yep, pretty much. they make me sick!

[@mechelledesigns]

I’m very sad to hear how this was handled. This poor woman and her children should have been supported.

[@KesterOla]

I wonder if pastors like John MacArthur would have this same energy if his daughter or family member was on the same end of that abuse 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@qwaxerty]

Of course not. He would tell his daughter to leave the relationship. Haven't you realized that Bishop T.D. Jakes stopped talking about homosexuality when his kid came out?

[@ak-47intelligence75]

Exactly.

[@autumxxleaves4186]

Thank you! Great question

[@autumxxleaves4186]

@@qwaxerty yup!

[@russellcharlton7814]

Yep.

[@elimonjarasmartinez4424]

Great job on this Ruslan, I am a reformed in my theology and I listen to John MacArthur and other reformed teachers and we need to hold each other accountable no matter what aisle you are in when it comes to your theology or doctrine! Amazing job ! 🎉

[@KJ-lb4tj]

Unfortunately it's their theology that is upholding this... Something is wrong with their theology in this matter.

[@billsmith2815]

This reveals the problem of a wooden interpretation of the passages that deal with allowances to divorce. The same grace extended to her band leader/Sunday school teacher husband should have also been given to Eileen. I love John MacArthur but this will remain a black mark without a public explanation and an apology.

[@jesuschristsaves9067]

@@KJ-lb4tj Yeah, scum theology

[@matthaschanged]

@@KJ-lb4tj what about reformed theology upholds this?

[@michaelstuckey9282]

@@jesuschristsaves9067 I mean if you think using God’s word to base your theology is scummy, then yea, they’re horrible.

[@wahooedits]

I used to attend a church where a wife and her little kids got murdered by their Father. It was the saddest thing. The Leaders of the Church also believed this idea about not divorcing unless for reason of committing adultery. She listened to the elders advice even though she told them about her husbands violent behavior, they still told her to put up with his violent behavior because it’s how Bible teaches. However, no one expected this horrible outcome.

[@bellyfulochelly4222]

The men in authority at these kinds of churches often have no understanding and no sympathy for the women and children involved in the domestic abuse issues. That's why they end up surprised by deadly results. I'm sure the murdered woman wasn't surprised.

[@mchevalier-seawell4438]

I don’t believe for one moment that God expects women and children to continue under the abuse of a spouse/parent. God would expect the normal parent to protect the children. This is absolutely nuts. John McArthur is out to lunch. She is better off out of their.

[@JoshuaCassady]

I’m 7 mins in and I have to pause to say, bro, your production value is like level 11 out of 10. Just freaking sick homie. Love it.

[@nadinecelebrates]

Facts!

[@MontanaViking]

You took the words right out of my mouth

[@amandagoudeau1963]

I agree exactly what I thought

[@Itsabigailsunday]

I agree top notch

[@KanyekiKamawe]

I've been subscribed for a little under a year and the evolution of his content even in that short period has been epic!

[@bellyfulochelly4222]

This reminds me of a sister in Christ who told me of her unbelieving ex-husband, who physically abused her and made her lose several pregnancies as a result. She suffered through that marriage for years, until he finally got tired of beating up on her and abandoned her and her only surviving child. She thought that was the only way God would allow her to divorce the animal. Awful. But that's where this kind of legalistic teaching gets us.

[@Renewed85]

☹️

[@las8883]

That poor woman. It makes me absolutely sick that Christians can hear stories like this and have the nerve to tell a victim to stay and endure suffering.

[@rc9266]

I do not recall a verse in scripture commanding us to be a punching bag? which is way more than turning the other cheek!

[@funmir4440]

As therapists, We never, ever recommend or even support couples/marriage counseling when abuse is involved. Absolutely awful that the church was actively endangering her and the children.

[@olabashanda]

Can you say more? Put a reference in of any kind?

[@funmir4440]

@@olabashanda a reference? Like in which textbook, article, psychologist etc. said it? It’s in every domestic violence training/course. Quite basic for therapists who’ve worked with these populations.

[@olabashanda]

@@funmir4440 Thanks for the education. I’m not asking for myself alone here… If you’d consider a link of ANY kind, it will help someone. I’d appreciate it.

[@olabashanda]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXevdnylrLmCgKc

[@olabashanda]

I don’t know or endorse that person, but it was easy to back up what you said. Thanks for the help.

[@mojulu12]

Man this is wild! You were spot on…“Willing to publicly shame, but not repent/take accountability”. Crazy stuff man.

[@mubangachiboma746]

Crazy world we live in

[@ninamaldonado6618]

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[@lizh1988]

Yes, and obvious in the other video he mad about it, but people kept saying, "we haven't heard the whole story", or "twenty years ago", and some other stuff. For twenty years she was out for f the church, the Holy Spirit must have tried to bring this up to him. But his conscience must have been dead.

[@skenth11]

Why is it so hard for some humans, and many pastors, to just simply say, "I'm sorry. I was wrong. Please forgive me." Why is this so hard for some?

[@LadyBug31705]

Pride

[@starlingswallow]

*PRIDE.*

[@eileendunkley4373]

Arrogance and pride !

[@rc9266]

PRIDE!

[@lizh1988]

He doesn't care, didn't care then, went on to publicly despise those who speak in tongues. He only cares about the parts of the Bible that seem to support his own way of life, the money and admiration he gets. He doesn't care about the WHOLE Bible. That's the life he was leading twenty years ago, that's the life he is leading now. Tons of men have led the way, making money off the Word of God.

[@elijah1047]

10 mins in and I’m disgusted… they belittled her, shamed her publicly, made a sob story for the abuser, tried to silence her from actual police to keep it in house, and then questioned her SALVATION publicly to the whole congregation … why are these fools leaders?

[@laurageorgina589]

And that was 20 years ago… And now in the present: they continue to support their “little prison missionary” after all the facts coming to light and even after him getting another + 10 years without the right to parole.

[@elijah1047]

@@laurageorgina589 I couldn’t believe it when I heard it smh 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@elijah1047]

@@TimothyFish no matter what, in the moment no hindsight. He admitted to verbal and physical abuse. As a “ Biblical Counselor” you have to report that active danger to the children’s life. It also doesn’t take hindsight to not publicly shame someone during a service/question their salvation publicly to the congregation with them absent to defend themselves from harsh claims….or use biblical manipulation to pressure someone to suffer in a marriage that is a danger to that persons life. (She at least wanted to separate for safety) , …. And after hindsight the guy is being praised/honored as a missionary 🤦🏾‍♂️. If you talk about one sided. This woman never had a chance until she finally ran to the police. It doesn’t take hindsight as Biblical leaders, to have compassion for people, not just someone on your staff that you’re cool with.

[@elijah1047]

@@TimothyFish She is not the biblical counselor. So he automatically knows better and should’ve reported. She already filed for protection soon after she found out about the child’s abuse, so idk what you mean by so long. also the reporter stated she was abused as well as the kids. So to try and point blame at her is wild, because after she already filed for protection, the “Biblical counsel” at that church, scolded her and said she shouldn’t have gone to the police. I don’t understand why you are trying to take blame off of them and shift it towards her. She was already fearful of her husband, who is supposed to be her protection, as a victim of abuse, do you know how hard it is to come out and report in the first place, especially when it’s your spouse, and someone high up in a church. Then to again to be told by multiple leaders using Gods Word to say she should stay and not have, told the police the first time. That’s physical abuse, verbal abuse, as well as spiritual and Biblical manipulation. There is a lack of compassion, once you try to unreasonable shift blame to the victim.

[@elijah1047]

@@TimothyFish it’s already stated that she filed soon after she found out about the children. And INSTANTLY reported when sexual abuse was found out. So idk what your point is about she should’ve done something sooner(you’ll have to explain that)… she was told that she should have not done that, and shouldn’t go to the cops any further. Why? Why would a biblical counselor tell the parent that the authorities shouldn’t be involved, for something the mother claims to know is happening to her kids? Because she needs to “submit to abuse” and “suffer for Jesus” Again no “hindsight” needed. That’s bad counsel, and biblical manipulation….for a victim it’s less likely for them to speak up more, when everyone is telling you to keep quiet and suffer, while you and your kids are still on the receiving end. Everything is not black and white when it comes to victims of abuse. Why do you think people who are rape victims wait a whole lifetime before saying anything… no one said she is perfect. But leadership as a whole failed in a grotesque way, even post sentence address the sermon clip as far as publicly shaming her and questioning her salvation in front of the whole congregation with her not being able to defend herself, what about already convicted, and trying to make him look like a hero missionary in prison and supporting him, after going through trial? That’s after more information came out, you know “hindsight”. I never said they were evil, but what they did definitely was. They abandoned compassion for her. In this scenario to try and take the fault from these so called leaders, and point to her is ridiculous and twisted.

[@d.miller6062]

Love the fact you stay consistent to report from all angles. Right is right and wrong is wrong no matter Charismatic, Reformed, or whatever camp you want to pitch a tent at! Love this channel!! Keep up the good work!

[@domhouston7775]

Me and my mom were abused by my Dad. He would beat me and her for no reason(even there was a reason it’s still not acceptable to hit your wife). He would beat me for my lisp and because I was autistic. He threatened my mom’s life so many times to point I was expecting for me and her to be dead soon. You know how sad it is that a kid at 5 years start worrying about whether or not he would see the next day. His abuse was so bad that mom waited for him to be deploy to Afghanistan to divorce him and move with man who is now my step dad(and before anyone makes a comment my Dad was a “Christian” and mom wasn’t and didn’t became one till she meant my step dad so don’t come at her for remarrying) When Christian say that abuse isn’t ground for divorce they keep that victim in dangerous situation that potentially can and probably cause that person to be seriously injured or their life. Also my respect for MacArthur is gone. The fact he said she might no be a believer and the way he acted really disgusted me.

[@revivalrider3493]

What a testimony! Thank you for sharing. By telling your testimony you can help so many others.

[@jasonbilbro6373]

Sadly, this was a timely discussion. My wife prayed for a woman at a conference recently, and this was effectively her story. She was wrecked that her pastor told her to "submit" to her abusive husband. My wife held her as she wept. I see this way of thinking as something of an "old regime." They are stuck in their presuppositions and preunderstanding of the text and are unable to shake these archaic and false Biblical mindsets of marriage, as well as things like cessationism. Appreciate your heart and thoughts, and commitment to the Word, brother.

[@lizh1988]

The church did not handle this biblically, the Bible says she may separate if she does not remarry. Also it says the husband has to love his wife, and if he hits her we know he does not love her. He is disobedient to Christ who is to be the head of the marriage. These are things that people who say they are Christians should have been living by since the early church. But as you say, many take backward, simple path. It's an outrage that this man, who obviously had no self control with women and children, was allowed to stay in the church while this brave and long suffering woman was tested like an old newspaper.

[@danielbeasley1495]

this is a great example of why you should know scripture your self as well as seeking wisdom. The verse talking about a woman not leaving her husband has to go with Colossians 3:19, "Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them."

[@KJ-lb4tj]

Exactly. The kind of husband a woman is to love is the kind that loves like Jesus loves, willing to die for her. Jesus does not hit, scream at, emotionally manipulate or lord it over anyone, let alone women. He did the exact opposite of what was culturally acceptable, he walked and talked with the culturally lowliest of women and invited them to follow him. Men who perpetually do not attempt to love like Jesus and do the opposite by abusing have long broken their marriage vows and there needs to be consequences if anyone has the chance of changing.

[@Akitorbenov]

Christ loved the church while she was sinning against Him. God loved Israel while they betrayed Him with other Gods and had immense patience with them. The example of God behaving with a rebelious church should be the leading example for us husbands to even forgive in face of a cheating right in our bed. God give us you character and personality and help us focus on our part of the covenant, that we me honor it and You, and may we make our wifes proud of us and with our rightous and respectful behaviour win their love and submission, and never do it with arrogance, violence and strenght.

[@rachelmontoya1858]

If only the church globally would understand the content of this video... it’s been so twisted how much abuse is enabled/ covered up and reinforced by a misinterpretation of a wife’s submission in marriage and to allow it to continue with children involved is deplorable! It’s truly an epidemic in the body of Christ. Lord, help us!!! Proverbs 31: 8-9 “Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves; ensure justice for those being crushed. Yes, speak up for the poor and helpless and see that they get justice.”

[@KJ-lb4tj]

Well said. Stand up where you can for those without a voice

[@nynie90]

Sad thing is they're brainwashing young women to aspire to "endure" this kind of abusive behavior. Grooming them to accept any kind of behavior from their husbands in the name of submission. It really saddens me to see these women.

[@DaveAsafu]

Their desperation to rally round, protect the husband and shame Eileen makes me think two things: 1. They are misogynists. They must have such little value in women to think this is ok. 2. They all have skeletons in their closet that they need to keep hidden too

[@Ephesians--ih5fl]

@@nikkio.9990 They are not fundamentalists because they would actually have to call out the husbands to love and protect their wives like the Bible says husbands should. That word fundamental is so misused. Piper and McArthur are calvanists who believe that the beating of your wife is God's will preordained to happen. They have elevated themselves above others. A fundamental believes every word of God. Show me these guys follow it in these regards by believing the word and holding theses men accountable. They are reformed calvanists, not evangelical. Just because someone claims they are fundamentalist doesn't make it truth. Even Christians don't know the meaning of the word fundamental. They throw it around as if it is a negative word.

[@sweetsoul8974]

Spot on!

[@thehocketthome]

I was thinking of Mike Winger's divorce Livestream when you were discussing this. Love that you brought it up here with the topic of abuse. Mike Winger did such a great job with that Livestream.

[@naklovesjesus3204]

Yea I literally saw that live stream a couple days ago, Mike Winger is a pretty good teacher. 👍🏾

[@williamt1579]

I think everyone has some degree of narcissism in the church. Most are not extreme as this story but still I think we all need to check ourselves.

[@susiedyck4914]

I agree

[@Lucky-r7y7w]

I know it's not our business and the details may be harrowing, but I am glad Eileen will share them and I admire that she kept quiet until her children were grown. Those are not the actions of a woman who is falsely accusing her husband (a person like that would have spread all the salacious details with no regard for her kids). She is owed so much more than an apology and now I worry that there might be others in her shoes who stayed to "prove their faithfulness to God". Edit: its this kind of thing that had Ravi Z abusing his powers for year's without anyone knowing - a refusal to accept that people are complicated. That a man of God in public could be vile in private.

[@KJ-lb4tj]

Absolutely and the church is unfortunately complicit in unhealthy church cultures... It's a systemic and dare I say theological problem. I think it is 'our business'. Until we are willing as a church body with many limbs to stand up and require change... To, as Paul says, judge believers, not unbelievers, then we'll continue to sweep these horrific systems and cultures under the carpet... It needs to be brought into the light and called what it is in order to begin to change it.

[@lizh1988]

@@KJ-lb4tj We are told to leave churches like that, come out from her that we not partake in her sin. Though even Jesus said even the elect can be fooled for a time. But people need to get over it and be real Christians, not fools.

[@genesisp3884]

It's absolutely disgusting how this church is enabling abuse. I used to respect John Macarthur even though I don't agree with everything he teaches, but now I can't respect someone who completely disregards the lives of women and children.

[@milliem1061]

One of the first lessons we learnt in Marriage, Couples and Family Therapy was assessing for safety and safety planning. Its well a known and evidence based assertion that victims of abuse face the risk of escalated abuse and violence as a result of exposing their abuser. We always consider the risk of retaliation. Additionally, any licensed professional (and I believe ministers) are mandated reporters, meaning if you have proof or SUSPECT that anyone, especially children, the elderly and people with disabilities are at risk of harm and/or abuse you have to report to the authorities. Failure to do so has both legal and professional repercussions. Including being charged as an accessory in some jurisdictions. So, you can see why an organization with its own agendas would avoid consulting a licensed therapist. So disappointing when the church fails to protect those that need it the most. Instead they became an additional source of abuse.

[@las8883]

Thank you for sharing this! Safety must be a priority

[@richardlee2120]

Unfortunately, no, clergy are NOT mandatory reporters in some states like Washington State. I am opposed to pastors serving as "counselors" because they are NOT trained professionals.

[@anthonyorozco468]

This is what happens when you have a church that’s just religious , has word , has truth but has no power of the Holy Spirit , no pastor should shame someone in public

[@marfookydodo]

This breaks my heart but doesn’t surprise me. There’s a lot of pride and arrogance in that camp without a lot of grace and mercy This is bringing reproach to the Gospel and for a man like MacArthur who had no problem calling other churches out for scandals has quite the scandal of his own now and is bringing embarrassment to Jesus’s name and injustice to that woman and her kids.

[@nynie90]

This! So terrible. I almost left the church bc I couldn't stand this hypocrisy again.

[@tyeishaleisure]

This 100%. This is why scripture talks about taking the log out of your own eye before you try to remove the spec from your brother’s eye. You can’t call someone or something out if things are not an order in your owncamp.

[@johnxgalt8312]

This sounds a lot like jimmy swagart, he was condemning corrupt preachers all over the country while chasing hookers.

[@paynlaur7523]

I just got saved two years ago out of Jehovah's Witness religion and this is the kind of stuff that went on in our Kingdom Hall I'd never would figure this would be coming from John MacArthur this is heartbreaking especially being new in Christ😭

[@lizh1988]

Jesus said a lot of people would not make it. Paul says when a man says he is a brother, but it is abusive, do not even have lunch with him. We need to read carefully and keep considering what we've read, because many will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, "the way is narrow and few ever find it". This man John MacArthur, there are other incidents than this. And he has openly despised those who speak in tongues. He didn't read that part of the Bible, I guess. He sure read that God hates divorce. I keep hearing there is more bad stuff about this stupid pastor, things he's done, and I believe it.

[@andreavalle3987]

Remember, ultimately we are all sinners and not perfect; that is why we follow the one true perfect example: Jesus! Others are merely expositors of the Word, they are to explain it, but they are not above God. If we (like many people have) put men on a pedestal, it becomes idolatry. I know this must be disheartening for you and I feel you 🥺🙏🏻 I pray that your anchor is always Christ and as we see our fellow brothers and sisters fall, we go to God in these times and understand that we are all prone to these things, but that we must also persevere in our understanding of God’s heart for mankind. If you’d like, I super recommend you to study the Attributes of God, there is a lovely company that makes Bible studies and they have a book on that. It’s called The Daily Grace Co. ☺️☺️

[@sarahmendoza369]

I experienced something VERY similar from my [ex] church. It’s extremely disheartening and I’m still working through forgiveness towards certain elders. My faith and salvation was questioned while my husband was engaged in every kind of evil. Broke my spirit and my heart.

[@bcreated]

I'm so sorry.

[@sarahmendoza369]

I appreciate your sympathy. What man intends for evil, God intends for good. Genesis 50:20 Man’s intention wasn’t bad but can be tainted with selfish ambition. The thing that broke me, God used to set me free from fear of man and taught me to search scripture myself instead of blindly obeying church leadership. It’s been a crazy long journey of healing, but I grew through it and am still growing through it. Life is hard, but God is always good. 🙏🏼

[@brandonn1835]

I am so sorry Sarah. Some people are sick. Narcissists, sociopaths, pathological liars, etc. They have only evil in them. And they manipulate others around them. Satan loves to knock down those who would truly live for Christ and make a difference. Forgive, yes. But you do NOT have to be around these sickos, as those in the church would have you believe. Unless they've changed and repented and publicly acknowledged the truth, they are not changed. You likely know all this, but I say it because I can't stand reading these stories where the church "leadership" encourages their flock to remain in unhealthy and abusive relationships.

[@brandonn1835]

@@sarahmendoza369 I hope I can reach that level of growth and forgiveness after what was done to me. Bless you. Jesus is Lord.

[@sarahmendoza369]

@@brandonn1835 I sit with you in your pain and trauma. You will be made complete. Be patient with yourself & seek the Lord, daily, in that forgiveness. I still have to revisit forgiveness from time to time. Keep evolving, keep moving forward. Don't allow your pain & trauma to prevent you from living your purpose. Much of trauma needs to be released. That's been my greatest obstacle. Revisit trauma and learn how to perceive and process in a new way.

[@Kanon-fq5fh]

I’m.a Calvinist and have got several of JM’s books and if this whole thing is true , he should.come publicly and apologize to this woman and her kids - that’s the least he can do

[@TheWayWalker]

To do that would cause a scandal I think, and put him in a negative light. I think its sad, but the truth is, it won't happen.

[@penttimuhli9442]

And then he needs to publicly announce his resignation for punishing the victim and rewarding the abuser

[@maranatha1115]

Na he can get sat down as well

[@lorrainethomas4736]

Satan is busy further compromising the lukewarm churches and hot on the trail of solid churches to destroy them as well! Will Jesus find faith on the earth when He returns?😰

[@joycelint6652]

Been messaging with a friend who has worked with battered women. She says we should tell women to make a plan to safely leave the abusive marriage. Some women have lost their lives while trying to leave.

[@autumxxleaves4186]

I wonder if they’ll tell men to stay in abusive marriages

[@joycelint6652]

@@autumxxleaves4186 have read of men in abusive (life threatening marriages) needing to go into hiding with their children because of wife.

[@brianfrancishume]

My heart aches for this mother and her children; and, for those courageous ones who are responding to this episode with their own stories. Grace to all through Christ who continue to seek Him for ongoing healing. Remember: you are loved!

[@BeLight4Him]

As someone who came from an abusive father in an dysfunctional home (I love me dad to death and completely forgive him). I know that when my mom divorced him it was for the best. There are emotions that come from abuse that are similar to the emotions that come from adultery (unfortunately my mom had to deal with both). People talk about the act of adultery without understanding why Jesus said what he said. When a husband abuses his wife it destroys the trust of a marriage. It is breaking the vows that were made before God. And the only way to heal from true abuse is by the power the Jesus. Without a repenting husband who pleads to God and his wife it is almost impossible to move forward in a marriage after abuse occurs. And even if he does ask for forgiveness it will take a miracle for that marriage to be healed. It was hard to listen to this because I have such mixed emotions when it comes to things that I’ve been through, but this was spot on my brother. thank you

[@rc9266]

I am amazed how so many men do not know their family role as spiritual leader. We are commanded to love our wives....

[@fredaowusu-agyapong]

@@rc9266 exactly they always like to talk about submission but not what they are commanded to do.There are just a bunch of selfish men out here.

[@cherithieben8422]

I just heard RC Sproul from an old ‘question & answer’ segment at Ligonier say that he believes abuse in a marriage by the husband is equal to adultery, in other words. grounds for divorce. He made a few other comments that supported his views. I was so relieved to hear him speak out in that way. Thank you for bringing awareness to this very important issue.

[@rockwild737]

Yep, I agree. And am also heartened to hear R.C. say that. He has been a huge influence on me. John MacArthur always felt cold and condescending to me so I never really listened to many of his sermons.

[@RuslanKD]

Dang even RC Sproul agrees with pastor Mike winger 🤯

[@KD_9494]

RC Speoul is super into a 10% tithe that doesn’t have any proof of NT grounds. That bothers me cause he was 💰 💰…But YES this is a GREAT THING TO HEAR.

[@elizabethtowers1166]

@@RuslanKD 🤣🤣

[@VioletPersuasion]

Not only did the church send her 5 letters, but during that time they had MANY people stalk her at her home (including the "counselors"assistant, who a neighbor got the license plate of and gave testimony in court documents about). It's beyond psychotic. It's so sad and horrible. :(

[@VioletPersuasion]

Another HUGE red flag is that David TOLD them (the church and Eileen) that he had been sexually inappropriate with his children. He noted at the same time as confessing kicking the children and beating them in the head with toys, as well as whipping them with belts, that he was inappropriately dressed. What I pose is this - I know lots of families and they run about the house to get dressed in just their underwear, or to get in the shower. It's not inappropriate. So, David was either stating while he was beating the children, he was nude or *situationally* his level of clothing was gross towards children. I know this is very much a "hindsight" for probably most people, but it was a huge red flag for me as I first read The Roys Report on this. He told them, subtly.

[@oneluv66]

Why were they stacking her? I didn’t know about that part

[@MsBoricuabutterfly]

I had a similar experience. I was separated from my ex husband and I remember a church member approached me and asked if there was any chance for reconciliation and I said no. That person gave me the dirtiest look and said that my stance was unbiblical. This happens to so many women in the church and it needs to stop!

[@lukedavid6640]

As strong as John MacArthur has been in his hatred and ridicule for Charismatics, I can't but wonder if this happened by effectively pushing the Holy Spirit out of his church. If the elders had seriously prayed about what she said and let the Holy Spirit actually speak to them (something he is very much against), then I can't help but feel like this wouldn't have happened and appropriate action would have been taken to protect her and her children and to purge the evil from their midst.

[@wheeler116]

This is absolutely a factor. When you don’t allow the spirit to move when reading the Bible, it opens the door for the flesh to move and for you to read the scripture through the lens of your sinful nature and biases. Worship must be in spirit and in truth

[@samueljennings4809]

@@wheeler116 I’m somewhat of a cessationist, closer to Paul Washer’s view on it (agnostic on it. I don’t deny it, but I’m skeptic all based on past experience and my own biblical studies) but something about the approach of GCM has bothered me. I pray and hope that everyone involved repents, and that the fruits of the Spirit be made evident. 1 Corinthians 13, if there is no love or genuine godly brotherhood, all the biblical knowledge in the world means nothing.

[@Boarddirector]

You nailed it!!! Is this Luke David…PowerPlace?

[@las8883]

Absolutely. I think you're definitely spot on about this. Pushing the Holy Spirit out and only relying on head knowledge is what I see within his church

[@KD_9494]

Well I would say that God is very clear and the Holy Speak speaks clearly in scripture that husbands are to love their wives and provide leadership in the home. Loving your wife would fall under the umbrella of being a safe leader for your home. If he’s hurting the children she bore he’s hurting her. If he’s not leading but acting like a horny nasty teenager abusing his kids like a creep that goes against Gods word. John MacArthur uses his intellect to brush off some common sense things in the Bible. God blesses humble people with common sense ya know. Read the Word ya know..God hates divorce but what He hates even more is SIN.

[@jeffk8000]

It never sat well with me the way Johnny Mac called out and shamed Ravi Zacharias after he died. Not that i support what Ravi did but Macarthur did it in a very arrogant manner. None of us have any right to beat our chest or celebrate someone elses downfall, we all have a sinful nature and i thank God im saved by grace!

[@andradece_]

For me, I always recall the scriptures that highlight God gave us a consciousness. There’s a degree of morals written on our heart that we know what is considered wrong and what’s considered right. Abuse falls under the category of violence. You don’t have to be a Christian to recognize violence is sinful. I would instinctively consider physical abuse as a spin-off of abandonment. That’s my honest belief, and if I’m wrong, then that’s between me and God. In summary, by no means do I support “submitting” to your marriage partner if there is physical abuse involved.

[@andradece_]

Love the content Ruslan. Keep it up!!!

[@lornadoone8887]

You are absolutely correct that domestic violence spiritually is a subset of abandonment, only worse. Anybody whose basic sense of human decency and God-given instinct for justice hasn’t been hijacked by Scripture-twisting legalism would realize this IMO.

[@daniomeither4096]

Awesome video.

[@rockwild737]

I have struggled with despression having been sexually abused as a child. I had a wonderfully wise and loving pastor who counselled me far better than any secular professional counselling. In fairness, he remains the most loving man I ever met. I'd never discourage professional counselling/therapy though there are of course dangers to it. My current pastor wouldn't be able to have offered me any help in this matter though. He's cold, distant and quite selfish.

[@benji7775]

I'm a single dad who has suffered domestic abuse and violence against me, the church told me I should marry this women because we had a child together, I prayed and thought seriously about this,, which I didn't marry her thankfully, only recently me and my child where able to get away and start a new life on our own, it's even harder when you are a man the system and the church really don't care its so sad

[@chrisdavid4935]

Thank you for sharing, brother. I've been blessed by John MacArthur's teaching and ministry, but this is deeply saddening. Pastors of all camps must be held accountable. Praying for repentance and healing.

[@muddajayjay17]

Thank you Ruslan for this video, I’ve suffered spiritual abuse and the way the church handles abuse needs to change, like for real

[@amoshies123]

Wow bro! This was rough to watch but I do appreciate you using your platform to bring this to light. One of the greatest mistakes we can make as believers is not holding one another accountable. Iron sharpens iron. God bless you and your ministry.

[@C.J29]

I love the passion and conviction your speaking with bro ! Your definitely speaking with the spirit

[@angelaherrera8735]

What a brave woman! Praying for and her kids! ♥️

[@TommyRushing]

Well well well. All those MacArthur fans elevating him showing how he's better than Ravi Z. How turns have tabled....

[@d3anims97]

Cmon man, unreported child abuse and rather than expressing heart break over the entire situation and towards the one accountable mixed with disappointment given how he's a public figure and how this affects the view of Christendom but all you got to say is "see? he aint so great." And, no Im by no means a "fan" or from a reformed circle.

[@TommyRushing]

@@d3anims97 The world already hates christianity. Even if we had actual saints it would make no difference. It's time to start calling out our fellow christians who point and mock others despite the planks in their eye. We need to demand consistency and ridicule those who are not dedicated to taking the bible seriously. So yes. That's all I have to say. I'm 35, been in christianity my entire life. My faith has survived the postmodern injection, Rob Bell, Rick Warren, Joel Osteen and Oprah injected into it. I've withstood the onslaught of my favorite bands deconstructing, pro abortion, pro Gay (2SLGBTQAAI+). The political division that Trump and Covid exposed and then the out right insanity and slander of Ravi Zacharias (No I don't believe he did what they said he did.). So no. I shed no more tears for soft christians who only care enough to mourn but not enough to use the sword of truth the slaughter lies. All the squishes get what they deserve and we all deserve the nuclear world war comming

[@stevehall5209]

Tweek 87 so would you have defended Ravi? Maybe publicly shamed and disciplined Mrs Thompson because you didn’t believe her and were trying to protect the ministry? All been done already by RZIM, and apparently now GCC. Which one you going to side with, because it seems like the correct answer is neither.

[@TommyRushing]

@@stevehall5209 If you believe the accusations are not credible, you have reasonable arguments and can clearly state the case. Than you should do so. What is intolerable is when the defence and accusations are shallow and when reasonable cases are met with shallow and idiotic responses. To keep silent is to allow good men and the truth to be ruined. As in the case of Ms. Thompson. If she can be proven to have lied, then absolutely she should have consequences.

[@d3anims97]

@@TommyRushing I’m all for calling out, don’t get my response wrong. But don’t let righteous indignation (if it can be called that) harden your heart. Remember Jesus’ warning, “because lawlessness is increased, the love of many will grow cold but the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.” Don’t let the constant fight and warfare of the faith affect your sense of compassion, sympathy, and love even for the fallen or erring. The weapons of our warfare are not carnal, therefore the attitude when wielding them cannot be either. In todays clime, it’s hard not to get a worn out and turn a bit apathetic but that’s the point, it’s not our strength that does it. So I’m glad you’re still in the fight but mind how you fight bro

[@American-Jello]

Good on you for talking about this, Ruslan. We must discuss these issues, we can not ignore things that make us uncomfortable or are shameful. This isn't about whether one pastor is better than another either, this is about what is RIGHT and WRONG.

[@mizz_vibes1732]

@@jackie2248 then please bring this topic up if you can. Convict these people for what they did

[@KJ-lb4tj]

@@mizz_vibes1732 who are you asking to convict who? Are you asking this you tuber to convict John McArthur and his elders? What does that mean?

[@truarnett5519]

Super Amen!

[@vitormenezesdemattos967]

Gotta say, i got pissed at JMac with this story. She deserves a public apology from him big time! The most outrageous thing for me wasn't even the "be submissive to your husband" cuz i can see true well intentional believers missing this on this part. But 2 things that came after that were typical unbeliever behavior: 1- that they disciplined HER, the abused victim and let the perpetrator walk free. 2-And that AFTER they found out that he was guilty, they not only refused to apologize, but it seems some people called him out on that yet he stood his ground. I mean, JMAC ACTUALLY ACTED AS AN UNBELIEVER! The insistence for all this yrs since the guy was convicted, on not admitting a grave potential life costing sin that he commited was what outraged me the most and this is unbeliever type of behavior. He should publically apologize to her... i'll say it again, he should PUBLICALLY apologize! and then work to make up for the damage he's done to her (GCC in general actually). Kinda reminds me of the media's portrayal of Kyle Rittenhouse.

[@rocksolidhope]

Yo Ruslan, powerful video man, thank you for covering stuff like this! This woman is a warrior!!

[@thebrianclan]

Thanks for doing it. No one should stay in an abusive relationship.

[@jasonl3382]

This story and many others are what makes witnessing so difficult! You can't blame the lost for not wanting to be found by nut-job abusers and perverts! Paul gave strict guidelines to those who would become leaders in the church and this is an example of why!

[@littlemary2840]

Amen 🙏🏼

[@innovati]

Great video. So much I could say, I have 2 sisters who both married abusive church boys (in different ways) and experienced a complete failure in both of their churches to address anything the husbands were doing, and didn't give them them right counsel: Get Out! Obviously both of my sisters understood scripture on this issue but this is something many evangelical churches are failing to teach, spectacularly failing to address and discipline. Fantastic video Ruslan and Julie, love you both. This message needs to get out to more people because it has the power to bring the hope that's in scripture to those dark situations

[@barbaratindell9808]

This breaks my heart. I've seen this kind of thing in my own family when i was younger. God bless the woman.

[@thisguy2985]

It's already heartbreaking that this happened in general, but because this is John Macarthur, there's definitely gonna be a large crowd of people that gives her all the blame. Mike Winger is the MAN though!!

[@vitormenezesdemattos967]

Mike winger counsels abuse victims so he knows. No wonder he fought to hold back the tears in the video where he breaks down the details of Ravi Zacharias' deeds.

[@thewalk6077]

Much needed video! People need to hear this!! Thank you Ruslan for doing this so well and so informative and powerful. I pray the people that need to see this will find it and Christians will help the people in these situations with compassion.

[@oscarjota21]

Man… this broke my heart. I admire some aspects of MacArthur’s theology but in terms of practicing grace he and others in the reformed space need to mature. Him shaming her publicly is one of the most childish things I have seen a pastor do. Thanks for shedding light on these issues brother. I hope that this serves as a learning experience for those who have positions of leadership in the church. I do hope he repents (publicly) and asks Eileen for forgiveness. I also hope people will extend grace towards JM, we all sin and we all make mistakes.

[@bcreated]

It's more than childish. It's cruel and it's calculated to suppress the truth.

[@oscarjota21]

@@bcreated I agree, it is cruel.

[@jonathandavid9720]

Grace to “Some of” You

[@ethanplacella]

I couldn’t agree more. If I were asked what I believe on a test, I would probably lean towards more reformed, though I don’t identify as a “reformed Christian.” I’m simply a Christian. However, in my opinion, it seems like most “reformed” preachers today are so “holier than though” or on a pedestal cause they preach the holiness of God, but they all seem to have, give or know 0 grace and empathy. I don’t think they know of the Fathers love or grace.

[@dianaballiet3661]

Showing 'grace' to an abuser, public or private is an oxymoron. Abusers have no heart of peace, respect or honor. Abusers walk in the flesh not the Spirit, they may have head knowledge but their hearts are far from Christ.

[@roxutube1]

Thanks!

[@johncross116]

My heart breaks hearing this!! 😩 Sadly this is not uncommon, and is my personal story as well. After trying to resolve and eventually fleeing an abusive marriage I was shamed by 2 churches. I'm still healing and getting my confidence back, but the Lord has been faithful throughout it all. The way this woman stood up for herself and her family shows remarkable strength 💪. And I'm so grateful for the solid biblical teachings that have been coming out lately.

[@avhiltz]

Thankful for the work of Julie Roy and you Ruslan!

[@bigman52100]

As much as I respect John MacArthur a situation like this would make anyone question the trust in his theology and leadership.

[@connorobrien3958]

Love the way you addressing these topics my bro ❤️

[@sonjasisco8064]

The Lord would never want an abused person to stay in a marriage! She was also responsible to protect her children & she did that. It’s so sad how people misinterpret verses. How many lives have been ruined & even lost due to staying & hoping it gets better. I’ve known a few woman that had to flee for their lives with their children. They got out in time. One is faithfully serving in church & so thankful to be alive. Thank you for addressing this topic. May others have the courage & support to get away before it’s too late.

[@tessazywiec4992]

GREAT video!! This will help many in abusive situations. Thank you for exposing evil & providing support for abused women & children.

[@danzo8372]

Thank you for this Ruslan. Bring back common sense/wisdom in the reformed churches!!!!!!!

[@TatteredBiblePodcast]

This comes directly from Calvinist theology. Because Calvinism says that everything is God's will Calvinists can, will, and do commit horrendous acts because they can justify it by saying that "God wills it". It's all the more reason to reject Calvinism.

[@christianlunday7368]

I am a Calvinist and I have never held John MacArthur in high esteem. But, I would have never imagined that he would be complicit in something like this.

[@rockwild737]

I'm exactly the same.

[@MosesInHD]

Man, I absolutely love John MacArthur's ministry and teaching (when I listen to him), but everything you've said today is spot on. I read the Roy's Report, watched Mike Winger's video on marriage and divorce and watched Honest Youth Pastor's video and it's not looking for GCC as the evidence is pretty damning. The way that GCC has handled this whole situation from beginning to end is wildly unbiblical. I'm not going to cuss GCC out (just yet) for what's gone on as I do value MacArthur's teaching on a lot of other things (although I don't listen to him that often) but what I will say is that the longer they take to make a statement about this situation, the more damning it becomes. If they don't post a statement their silence will tell us everything we need to know about how they view what they did. God bless you for sharing this video, always appreciate what you have to say brother, so thank you for keeping it real.

[@reggielopez6912]

This is spot on Rus. I’m shocked . But grateful for the light being shed. Mike always bring great clarity ! The untouchable church culture is possible even in the “best” of churches

[@reggielopez6912]

This def needs to be addressed or this can get ugly

[@moriahdawn8799]

This hurts my heart. Ironically, I visited this church one time with MY abusive ex. Had I known this happened, I never would have gone. Although children were not involved, I have a somewhat similar story. I was severely emotionally abused and manipulated in my previous marriage, and it was starting to become physical. Towards the end, I was physically cornered and screamed at nose-to-nose. Pinched too. Every time we disagreed I’d be yelled at and told things like “this is why you have no friends” or “this is why you’ll never get anywhere in life”. I’d be in the bathroom for hours crying and praying that God would take my life because I didn’t think that divorce was an option. One day, during a fight, he told me to leave and go live with my parents. I had been praying for so long and took that as my way out. For about 6 months before that point, we had been going to “counseling” with our church. They basically would give him a slap on the wrist and tell him to stop. But it didn’t - it just got worse. Despite them knowing this and actually being involved, I underwent church discipline too. They told me I wasn’t allowed to make any final decisions about divorce unless they found grounds for it. They literally acted like this was the first time they were hearing about it and like they had control over me escaping my abuser! They even found out through my ex (who went through my mail) my new address in a new state and starting sending me church discipline letters! It was a really emotionally difficult time for me. I was getting messages from Christians I hadn’t even talked to in a long time about how I need to reunite with my abusive ex. They said really hurtful things, and when I told them they were hurting me more, they said “good”! I’m still not fully healed from this hurt after 4 years, but recently God has been helping me quite a bit. I’m now just trying to live life the best I can with my little family and get as close to God as I can! My prayers go out to the woman and her children in this video, and all women that have experienced similar situations. 🙏🏻

[@Amanda..A]

That's always a red flag when people who haven't talked to you in a long time suddenly contact you telling you what to do. Ridiculous and presumptuous of them!

[@Window4503]

I’m surprised yet relieved that that terrible experience didn’t tear you away from God. I pray that you find stability and healing and that those who wronged you will either repent in this life or face full justice in the next.

[@moriahdawn8799]

@@Amanda..A I completely agree! The same people that did that also didn’t offer any empathy toward what was happening to me or even ASK what the situation was. It was all assumptions and putting me as the villain for leaving.

[@moriahdawn8799]

@@Window4503 The last 4 years in my walk with God have been difficult. I did some things during that transition time that I’m not proud of, and have repented of. I was wrecked and felt absolutely no support from anyone. I also just within the past 6 months or so have been going to church consistently again with my new little family. Within the past several months I’ve been reading my Bible daily (mostly) and trying to focus on God as much as possible again. I really wish I had received actual support during that time, and for most of the past 4 years I’ve hoped for “justice” against those that have wronged me, but just recently God has been giving me a more loving heart towards those that have done those things. I do hope that they will one day see how they hurt me, but I don’t hope anything bad against them. I just hope they see the error of their ways and not do that ever again to someone else who is hurting and needs support.

[@kobezoldyck7177]

I remember reading the book strange fire by pastor MacArthur. I grew very charismatic and wanted to hear the other side. I was very disappointed on how little theology the book covered, and how much time it spent with attacks to specific preachers and them as a person, rather than talking about what the bible says. I must say this does not surprise me at all, but I wont fault every Calvinist for this

[@jesuschristsaves9067]

I will fault Calvinism for this

[@april7872]

Dr. Michael Brown has a book that you may like that pretty much is the opposite of strange fire called Authentic Fire

[@jesuschristsaves9067]

@@april7872 Michael brown is a great teacher and preacher. He’s also an amazing apologist.

[@fostenalifehealthcoach]

Where was grace for Eileen Gray and her children???? This is appalling that Grace Church did this !!!

[@autumxxleaves4186]

They seem to love protecting abuse people.

[@debbie527]

Reminds me of my own story! My husband hit me within the first 2 weeks of marriage and this continued for 2 years. I tried to leave and went to a woman’s refuge., the refuge was the only place that believed me. The Pastor of our church told me to move back into the family home and my husband would stay with him, after 2 weeks my husband moved back into the family home and the Pastor didn’t seem bothered at all. I lost my place at the refuge and endured another 12 months of hell on earth. Because I have depression and anxiety the Pastor and church didn’t believe me and I was told it was all in my head and I had a ‘distorted perception’. I was completely gas lighted and had no where to turn. Eventually the Lord provided me a way out. I still suffer to this day not only from the abuse from my husband, who has now been promoted in the church, but the way the church handled it was a disgrace!!!

[@lizh1988]

Jesus talked about Synagogues of Satan, in Revelation. This is what he's talking about. There is all kinds of stuff going on behind the scenes in a lot of churches, probably most. I grew up Catholic, and also saw hell on Earth, experienced it. I can't even tell you. I of course wandered away from believing in God. But I believe now, and see that the Bible says to have nothing to do with this sort of person. Except to expose their evil deeds.

[@armandoj.sanchez9243]

I'm so sorry to hear about everything you went through. I pray that you are safe and doing much better 🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@HannaNegussie]

Hey Ruslan! I just want to say thank you for having and leading these conversations. There has been a missing space for Godly conversations in the ugly topics of abuse and harm in the body. I can say personally it’s been refreshing to finally hear a voice. A godly voice, a male godly voice speak out. As someone who peeps a lot there’s a temptation to ignore and stay silent or quiet in these situations. Thank you for speaking. It’s giving room to speak and seek out Justice in a Godly way. God knows that there’s a broken cycle he is cleaning out from his Bride. God bless y’all! This helps me act accordingly and not shrink back in my own community.

[@joannaflowers5563]

This is ENFURIATING. John MacArthur should be at the very least speaking out about this. The unfortunate fact is when a leader like him is implicated in things like this, it shakes ALOT of people's faith and trust in "Godly" leadership.

[@the1toblame485]

Man Ruslan your videos only get better and better. Love to see the growth.

[@WeCanHearYouNowwithPeggiMerkey]

Please don’t leave out emotional abuse. After 5 years, he started giving me the silent treatment. He never laid a hand on me, but he badly bruised my heart. Now 40 years of marriage, with literally every other week in silence, it’s been 17 & 1/2 years in silence. Now I don’t even care anymore. I feel so differently about divorce. You know what’s horrible? It’s when we Christian women spout off-“I’ll never get a divorce. God hates divorce!” And abusive men hear that. And they abuse more AND REFUSE TO GET HELP. And blame you and call you abusive! Thank God I now know because of people like you and others who expose perpetrators. It won’t be pretty when these men and their “yes men” stand before God. I thank God so much that He’s helped me not to go insane! I’ve actually learned so much in that silence. I’ve learned to love God’s presence and my silent husband taught me to enjoy life without him!💚💜♥️💙💛

[@CoCoFantastique]

Emotional abused has deep scars! Everything you said is spot on.

[@las8883]

i'm glad you're free!

[@AChippendale]

I'm so sorry you had to suffer that. Reading your post made me think about a man I broke up with because he would give me the silent treatment for weeks, even though we were only dating for 3 months. I feel like I made the right decision.

[@ElephantInTheRoom777]

You don't divorce for emotional abuse, just separate.

[@CoCoFantastique]

She was talking about how abusive men respond to people saying "dont divorce" . She didnt say if she did or didnt divorce her husband. Instead of speaking out against the abuse your focus is "Not divorce" as if Abuse is not even a sin at all. A lot of men wont address emotional abuse because its so common and embedded in the christian marital culture they dont even see it as wrong at this point.

[@angelicagalabuzi1131]

Thanks for boldly talking about this. May God Bless you. Can you please make a video on what to consider when picking a Church?

[@sheriffmomma81]

Wow, this really hits home. I know of a few people in similar but not as extreme situations with the church. It truly breaks my heart. I pray this is corrected for the sake of these families.

[@AnonyMe-qy5vz]

I used to cherish moments watching the late R.C Sproul of Ligonier Ministries as a younger Christian at lunchtime on TV. Big concepts, made easier to understand as they were explained so well and he had a warmth about him. It was like listening to a knowledgable, passionate uncle who loved the Lord. Now I see that the KZbin has John MacArthur on it and that is not for me. I wasn't surprised to hear that it may be the case that he allegedly did not take care of the woman in his congregation who was struggling and vulnerable because she was trying to protect her children. Whether you agree that women should speak in church or not, the way they did Beth Moore was embarrassing for our witness. Social abuses and the pain of oppressed people doesn't bother him either and in his bubble of impunity, can feel very 'Christian' about it, being applauded as a hero by other 'Christians'. MacArthur galvanised people to sign some statement against some kind of discussion somehow related to social fairness and justice in rewards to race. Lots of Pastors signed it. Contrast that with the leadership of MLK. He made a flippant joke about the "obese African American woman" in "The Shack" representing God but had no problem with God being represented as a European male all these centuries - no jokes about that- and was it necessary to mention that she was obese? Rather rude, rejecting and dismissive. MacArthur also seems to lacks empathy there too. I wouldn't be too under a shepherd who derrides my appearance, dismisses my womanhood, me being of African descent and if I was in the US would have no care nor response to my relatives being more likely to be incarcerated or shot. Not surprised if women's physical protection and respecting their personhood is not a priority too so that abuse of women and children is allegedly enabled there.. Wouldn't feel safe in that fold. Treated like a star, too serious for me, is unaware that he is not all Biblically pure in his teaching and ways, that he obviously has his own politics influencing his interpretations and is in danger of coming across is a pharisaical manner, saying "Thank God I'm not like this sinner or this woman, etc, etc and etc". I hope the lady can feel she did the right thing and was very Christian in getting her children away from a predator. May God bless them.

[@los-one]

You killin it, Ruslan. ✊🏽

[@indiascarlett]

There's always been something about John Mccarthur that didn't sit right with me. I'm not calvinist, but I do like tough, sound teaching from them. Paul washer and Voddie Baucham are two of my favourites. It's not convicting teaching that I have a problem with, but John always seemed too depressing and negative. Some people are talking about calvinists being like him, I'd recommend you check out Paul washer. He's super convicting but also endlessly preaches the love of God and instructs husbands just as much if not more than wives.

[@jessik6704]

Thank you for this Video! So important!!

[@Tron44]

I remember my step father, an unbeliever, was getting worse with his behavior--we discovered after his 3rd stroke, which caused his passing, that he was abusing cocaine per his doctors--and our pastor at that time told my Mom to submit to him. It is a perverse and unbilical perspective, but it consists in so many churches

[@KJ-lb4tj]

So sorry for what you went thru. And horrifically true

[@johncross116]

Terribly sorry to hear this. That is such a perversion of the Scriptures and of God's heart.

[@confidentchristian1989]

I do believe in biblical counseling. I do not take abuse lightly. Jesus doesn’t tell you to stay in an abusive situation.

[@TrevWILL79]

And this happened in 2001, how many other things have probably happened in the last 20 years that went either unchecked or was never brought to light.

[@ChiChiLover_89]

Super shocked that a man who has a history of gross disrespect and public belittlement of women is on the side of the abuser. Just shocked 🤦‍♀️ *smh

[@nynie90]

Right?! I'm just looking at all these people saying they're surprised like really?! Y'all have not been listening to this man all this time?

[@april7872]

That whole leadership needs to repent for the way that they treated this daughter of God! SMH and they are going to call her out but never does Mcarthur say what the husband did??? This is shameful. He is up there really manipulating the whole church and trying to manipulate this abused woman. This is disgusting. While he is pointing fingers, he needs to remember that he is held to a higher standard by God! I just can't. Husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church. This husband was none of that...none. He is a wolf!

[@penttimuhli9442]

Looks like the falso prophets that Jesus warned about aren't just in the charismatic movements now but also in the reformed movements

[@demetra5514]

Great content! Excited for your growth. Keep it going!!!

[@natecampbell1097]

This whole view of mental health and much of the church, is sick. God gave us His word (Bible) and His works (science) to deal with life. Both are permitted and both are necessary in the handling of mental health issues.

[@lpl433]

Agree!!!

[@TheBlurr3dVision]

I wrote a blog a few years back called, "Is the Church a Safe Space for Domestic Abuse?" Hard truth to face if your leadership is not openly speaking against this.

[@TheBlurr3dVision]

Also wrote one called, "Your Pastor is Not Professional Help". These should not be controversial topics!!

[@ES-vq2ds]

This is a very unfortunate situation, but it does make me wonder if this is simply the tip of the Iceberg with John Macarther and his church.

[@dionlopez6122]

@ES "The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him. _ Proverbs 18:17"

[@ES-vq2ds]

@@dionlopez6122 Very true and a good reminder. Thank you.

[@ep2223]

Thank you Ruslan for baring the truth for all to see! Pastors are human, and pride often blinds them when they have no real accountability. Who in the flock would dare stand up to their pastor when he is wrong. Not many. There must be accountability for truth to remain at the forefront.

[@postscriptciara]

That’s an abusive church relationship right there… “No, you can’t reject us. You can’t leave our membership. You have to stay here… Okay, now we’re ready to publicly humiliate you and excommunicate you. See? We reject YOU!” I’m so appalled.

[@yeshuaislord3058]

Mike winger is my favorite pastor on the internet and he really helped me to think biblically and helped me to understand scripture tremendously!! Adonai Yeshua has used him to bless many. I pray eillen gray and her children are finding comfort in messiah Yeshua!