John Moschos and the Quran

[@IslamCritiqued]

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[@IslamCritiqued]

See here for many more examples of borrowing: kzbin.info/aero/PLVwt18wNX1gyR4zQBIso2WFRecAojyJb4

[@veronicaredeemed]

Your videos are always the absolute best ❤❤

[@tobyc8668]

Nice. Btw, I think It would be good to put dates on the stories where the Quran had copied from.

[@moneyheist_-]

​@@IslamCritiquedhow do I download a private video like the video of yasar kadi

[@adamuhaddadi5332]

@@IslamCritiqued blud cant distinguish between causation and correlation 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@haljordan9607]

This channel is so underrated

[@ts8960]

Muhammed the kind of guy to copy youre homework but then tell the teacher you copied from him

[@JonelleRheu]

My brother you are up there with Christian Prince, Rob Christian, Al Fadi and Sam Shamoun! Praise God 🔥

[@FromValkyrie]

And AhmedExMuslim.

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

Is he? He’s not doing debates…

[@JonelleRheu]

@@ASMRyouVEGANyet well as far as like exposing Islam goes.

[@adamstewart9052]

David Wood, Anthony Rogers and Jay Smith?

[@JonelleRheu]

@@adamstewart9052 yessss! Them too!

[@rahawa774]

‘Borrowing’ is a polite way of putting it 😂

[@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid]

Like ‘borrowing’ sugar from your neighbor so as to make a cake laced with poison as a gift to the same neighbor.

[@NoLGBTforyou]

​@SuzelleThe Quran mentioned the Bible and other holy books, and the Quran exists to make it complete. Then some jackasses say it's plagiarism.

[@frankjaeger9068]

Thanks

[@solascriptura1536]

The descendants of Moschus can sue Islam for plagiarism...and they will win the case. Just thinking out loud.

[@P.Whitestrake]

He was a monk. He had no descendants.

[@solascriptura1536]

@@P.Whitestrake No siblings either?

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

Lmao

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

Copyright laws didn’t exist before the 1970s

[@solascriptura1536]

@@ASMRyouVEGANyet They do now...

[@godsgospelgirl]

Thank you so much for your work on this channel! I hope many Muslims discover your videos and that they leave Islam for the truth of Jesus. ✝️

[@zachindes]

Always informative and eye opening

[@danieldeiturbide9001]

Very interesting, haven’t heard this before

[@elijah0127]

Nothing but a true work of plagiarism.

[@nukeplatine]

That extends to architecture, chanting,...

[@gooseman4177]

I read that as Paganism 😅 but Yes, Plagiarism fits the "religion of ✌️✌️" very well.

[@NoLGBTforyou]

Its the same as saying "That song has almost the same notes as this one, it must be plagiarism, grrrr 😡😡😡" Christians are the same as Twitter lol

[@mohamedomar2720]

The Quran is Revelation from the Creator of the universe so it is the historical standard. It’s telling us the True History. God is Narrator.

[@Noah-1999]

Wow. I always wondered where that narrative with Al-Khidr came from.

[@kathyd456]

I agree, sticking together whatever they like.

[@johnharrison6745]

"Angels" are big on STRANGLING; aren't they? 😉

[@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid]

Well yea, that’s what a well known angel of light does.

[@johnharrison6745]

@@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid He's just a champion of LITERACY; that's all. 😉

[@tonycostatorontoapologetic5307]

Yup. One of them strangled Muhammad in a cave.

[@gooseman4177]

Angels need to work out every now and then... or maybe just the one...

[@Crystalupnorth]

Wow.... praise God. Eye opening video.

[@iranianskeptic]

Thank you ❤

[@Tribal_Dad]

Mohoemad the broken copying machine

[@Games4Kidz7]

To be fair with Mohammed, he really was mentioned in the Bible….. as the false prophet 😂

[@greensorrel6860]

Lol, so true

[@NoLGBTforyou]

​​@@Games4Kidz7 Source : Your ass

[@Seeker898]

My feeling is that John Moschos adapted this from the Rabbinic story of the 5th/6th Century and that perhaps the author of the Quran heard the John Moschos version while on his merchant routes. I don’t know what defence a Muslim could put up for this, other than say that the Rabbinic and later Moschos versions were remnants of the true tale, which is then told in the Quran. But, of course, that explanation will only satisfy a blinkered Muslim. It’s yet another Gotcha. If only the author of the Quran could have predicted the internet and the power of free information.

[@IslamCritiqued]

Interesting that the moral of the story is a bit different in the Quran vis-a-vis the wall stuffed with money. In the John Moschos version, all three stories have the same moral point. The stories fit better in their original context. Also note the mysterious Al-Khidr figure in the Quran. There’s so much speculation about him….in the Moschos tale, he’s an angel…and it’s just a parable…

[@RR-xt7ew]

In verse 54 of surah Al Kahf is the best explanation as to why so many familiar stories are retold combined, merged, etc. to convey a universal lesson from particular known tales and characters. This should probably be the apologetic. I mean it’s right there for a Muslim to use. وَلَقَدْ صَرَّفْنَا فِي هَٰذَا الْقُرْآنِ لِلنَّاسِ مِن كُلِّ مَثَلٍ ۚ وَكَانَ الْإِنسَانُ أَكْثَرَ شَيْءٍ جَدَلًا ‘And certainly we have explained in this the Quran to man from every example - but mankind is over most things in dispute.’

[@AP-zn8bg]

The umayad world, Andrew Marsham ((Supposedly a muslim space for prayer is described in two christian sources from after 670 : The sections added to John Moschus' Pratum Spirituale, and Adomnan's De Locis Sanctis (where he alleges he reported information told to him by a certain Arculf who supposedly visited Jerusalem. This is an example that shows that the later manuscripts had things that were added to them influenced by islam😊

[@IslamCritiqued]

And because some things were added later, you can dismiss everything. This is not how analysis of texts works. Completely irresponsible. You arrived at the conclusion you wanted to anyway. congrats. The dates of this parable seem securely before Islam, and fit the milieu that the quran borrowed from in many other instances.

[@AP-zn8bg]

@IslamCritiqued the manuscript is dated after islam by decades fact The original standard version which does not contain your story is dated before isalm fact. They were added in the manuscript not the standard edition that why it's after 670. Which shows the manuscript borrows things from islam

[@AP-zn8bg]

@IslamCritiqued which is more likely A monk tells a story in antioch that gets spread to petra in 10 years And then for some reason doesn't get mentioned in his standard edition And then is mentioned 60 years after the advent of islam Or that the later manuscript borrowed the story from the quran as it was well known in 680

[@IslamCritiqued]

Your question is question-begging, rhetorical. I'll take what the Quran's original audience said: "tales of the ancients." The Quran's audiences had heard these stories before. They were familiar. It's much more likely the Quran borrowed this story...because it does so many other times, even from the same geographical region. The Quran came on the scene very late, comparatively. There wasn't much, if any, neutral borrowing from it. Much of the reactions we see to the Quran in Jewish and Christian literature is polemical, not simply borrowing.

[@AP-zn8bg]

@IslamCritiqued tales of the ancients The meccans would have heard a story from a monk in antioch which is one of his 314 tales . 😆

[@broccoli747]

Most kind to say it's borrowing.

[@NatsukiTakama]

💇 Women rights in PIGslam Women are your property (K☢️ran 2:222) You can take 4 of them if you like (K☢️ran 4:3) They are stupid anyway (Bukhari 1:6:301) They are worth half as much as a man (Muslim 1:142) You can have s@x with them, even if they don't want it (Bukhari 4:460) Otherwise you can beat them (K☢️ran 4:34) And no one can question it (Abu Dawud 11:2142)

[@mememe1468]

Yeah! I love the spiritual meadow 😊 it's so short and filled with wisdom for all ages

[@CzechsTeaNine]

Imams finest ICy has returned. ❤

[@petrkarv]

The first photocopy machine.

[@hichamboulos1155]

Great finding!

[@AP-zn8bg]

The beginning is taken from alexander quest for immortality. It also taken from alexander romance It where alexander goes to search for immortality with his helper andreas. And when his ship was preparing the fish for lunch it came back to life .

[@yajujmajuj1739]

That's why moped's aka is "the ear"

[@TheNinjaInConverse]

Interesting!

[@that_boi5551]

The way Muhammad was born 20 exact years later after the birth of John Moschos is astonishing.

[@P.Whitestrake]

St. John Moschou. God bless him.

[@watchman4todayreloaded192]

There are somethings you never wanted to know about Islam - like the idea that any of that kufa poop ever came out of any Christian tradition even Arianism etc

[@Xbalanque84]

One can't help but wonder how orthodox John Moschos' opinions on preemptive punishment of children were in his day...

[@chrispaige8880]

Let's assume it was NOT a borrow, but just a coincidence - how is that possible? Muhammad originally preached that there was ONE Book. The Jews got it as the Torah, the Christians as the Injeel & the Muslims as the Quran. It's one book w/ slightly different laws, but otherwise identical. When his theology changed, the story changed, but this is more proof that Muhammad was borrowing when he wrote the Quran.

[@P.Whitestrake]

If you read the history about him, you'll find that he used to have dialogues with Christians & monks when he was young. He often traveled with his merchant uncle to Syria & Syria back then was a Christian-majority state. Lots of churches & monasteries. Most likely, Muhammad took stories they told him as he remembered & tweaked it as he saw fit, then claimed that it's from God.

[@FromValkyrie]

"slightly different laws"??? Have you read the quran and hadiths? 😂 😂 😂

[@chrispaige8880]

@@FromValkyrie Didn't say it was true - said that's what Mo said. You're right of course - Mo was full of it.

[@DoseOfTruth365]

Mo The plagiarism king strikes again 😂

[@A2-Star438]

I don’t know what to say..is everything we’ve been told a lie? I don’t even know what’s real from what’s not anymore. I feel like I wanna die now

[@bones.24]

You’ll survive, and you’ll be stronger… keep studying Islam and you’ll see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

[@shiningcartoonist]

Wait til you discover that a lot of the references to Jesus in the Quran have accidentally left In references to him being divine: him being called the Word (a title that only existed because he was believed to be the Logos, pre existing creator who is seen in patterns throughout the created world, wisdom, etc), that somehow the mind of a baby understands speech well enough to articulate words … unless he had the mind of God himself; Or that Jesus gives life to clay birds while giving life to clay creatures is what God does in the Old Testament and in the Quran. Even the idea that Jesus returns … why does he return and not others or some new person? Christians believe he will because he is God and God judges at the end of time. Even the idea that Jesus would return is only necessary because he is God. And there’s still more.

[@elisabeth5285]

Muslims believe the Qur’an is the eternal, perfect word of God, revealed to Muhammad by the angel Gabriel. If this is the case, then we would expect the Qur’an to bear the marks of inspiration. An important area of inquiry is the potential source material for the Qur’an taken from Jewish literature and apocryphal Christian sources. Muslim apologists claim that no other source of information influenced Muhammad. The evidence appears to indicate otherwise. A close examination of the text reveals that Muhammad used numerous sources in composing the Qur’an. For instance, the Arabic Infancy Gospel includes a story in which the infant Jesus speaks from his cradle, calling himself the Son of God and the Logos whom the Father sent for the salvation from the world (1.2). The Qur’an echoes this story in a passage where Jesus engages in theological discourse with others concerning his life and mission while defending his mother as a newborn Sura 19:27-34

[@P.Whitestrake]

The Qur'an didn't bother to erase or change the "Kalimatullah" part. In the apochrypal gospel, it was mentioned that Baby Jesus said He's The Logos just like you commented. Logos is the Greek title from The Word of God (Ο Λόγος του Θεού/O Logos tou Theou). Muslims can't even explain what Jesus meant when He said "Kalimatullah" in The Qur'an. If they said Kalimatullah means Jesus was speaking the word of God as a prophet or God put His word in Jesus, then why did the Qur'an only place that title on Jesus? Why not on Abraham, Moses, or even Muhammad himself? God also placed the word in them. That's why they were called prophets in The Qur'an. Alas, none of them were ever mentioned to be Kalimatullah. Muhammad never claimed to be Kalimatullah either. If Muslims said Jesus is Kalimatullah because He was born out of God's words to a virgin without insemination, then why didn't Kalimatullah also the title for Adam? Adam was created directly from the word of God, not from a mother & a father. If Muslims said that it's because Jesus had a miracle of speaking as a baby because he was from the word of God, that means they have to agree with Christian's Christology that Jesus is The Word & because He's The Word, He exists as one with The Father & The Holy Spirit before the dawn of time until forever. That means, Jesus was more than just a prophet. The only way is for Muslims to admit that Kalimatullah means Jesus is THE actual Word of God (Ο Λόγος του Θεού) as explained in the opening of the Gospel of John. They should also admit Jesus as The Word is coeternal with The Father & The Holy Spirit as 1 divine being we call God & everything was created through The Word. That means Muslims have to admit that the Trinity is true.

[@shiningcartoonist]

To add to this, if Jesus speaks from The cradle how, as a newborn, does he have the mind to speak? We now know babies’ minds are nearly blank slates and hardly are able to distinguish between themselves and their mothers very early in life. The only way a baby could speak understandable language is by someone else speaking through him… that is unless he has the mind of God or existed before he was born. This story isn’t true but it really puts Muslims in a bind. Lol

[@Christusvinci]

​@@P.Whitestrakeyea plagiarism does that, now they have words in their book that has become problematic to their gospel twisting mission😂

[@ariesxxxiled8817]

Islams kryptonite : truth

[@Simsam-b1d]

Great work exposing the cult of death

[@aA-lx6ji]

Did any one copy fm the NIV BIBLE Book of Ezekiel Chapter 23 Verse 1 to 23 Bishops love reading this.

[@FromValkyrie]

Yes, we love reading an allegory about the Northern and Southern kingdoms of Israel, reporting all the atrocities they were committing which Yahweh was warning them about through the prophet Ezekiel. What's your point?

[@jma7600]

I believe that the writers/editors of the Quran, probably labouring under duress, meant to leave traces of those borrowed motifs as hints and proofs for the humanness of the text.

[@OpEditorial]

It's a good thing that not only did these things never happen, but they appear to have no impact on the lives of people living today. Fun little stories though.

[@VALLANCEGAMING]

Why would the angel damage your boat instead of just preventing the King from catching you.....

[@bones.24]

He’s lazy

[@FromValkyrie]

He needs all the razzle dazzle.

[@JanKowalski-dn9si]

Is there a one single source listing all of q*ran borrowings?

[@charlesmuhmanson3928]

John's work didn't have to circulate long before Muhammad picked it up. Their lives overlapped in the timeline.

[@P.Whitestrake]

Also considering Muhammad had dialogues with Christian monks before he appointed himself as a prophet. He most likely remembered some stories from them & he plagiarised them in the Qur'an. Just like the story of Ashab al-Kahf taken from The 7 Sleepers of Ephesus, the popular Christian story from the 5th century.

[@ts8960]

If Copyright Laws existed then, Mo wouldn't have anything to write about.

[@wereyare9143]

Fantastic. Thank you. What you call borrow, Muslims call swallow! It’s their evolutionary discovery of a special algorithm.

[@ma55382uk]

Its in the Qur’an in response to questions from Jews

[@Unknown2Yoo]

One thing that is extremely clear is either the translation is clunky or the original text is clunky for the Moschos story was far better written than the Quran's retelling.

[@nadermusa4562]

The passages with similarities arent found in authoritative manuscripts (4 in total dating from the 10th to 12th centuries) of the spiritual meadow, but in a secondary manuscript, among other supplementary stories. Mot importantly, reconstructing the original work of John Moschus is impossible given the vast differences between existing manuscripts. In contrast, we do have manuscript proof of the story of Moses and Khidr circulating in the 1st century of Islam. Here again as in other similar cases, the burden of proof is not on Muslims, but on critics to prove that the source they allege influenced the Quran, wasnt in fact copying from it.

[@IslamCritiqued]

Many sources the Quran borrowed from are demonstrably earlier. Think of something new, not the same cliches.

[@ameeralkhatib5198]

Si what are you trying to say? These story’s are dated before or after the Quran?

[@Christusvinci]

Give it a rest pal, this is not the only work that was plagiarized,.there are several others.

[@andred3199]

Not for nothing was Mohammed known as "The Ear"...

[@ResearcherofArabPagans]

“Borrowed” 🎉 Adorable😊 in English we call this plagarism 🤩

[@12Squared]

original thought seems... corrupted? in the Quran. The original thoughts stories and deeds are all contemptable by the sister religions to their supposed worship. it's honestly horrifying.

[@knutthompson7879]

It's almost like these books that are the "word of God" are actually words of man. I mean, it seems like that might be the case. Just thinking out loud.

[@nukeplatine]

Of course it borrowed. And unfortunately it did not borrow the spiritual sense that accompanies the text, therefore making a pretty much utilitarian pragmatic stance, up to Godly determinism stance, instead of a spiritual, have faith in God the Father stance.

[@jsilvanus240]

John of Damascus...❤❤

[@lucienlagarde8093]

oh sister i like st John of damascus but you confused st John moschos with st John of Damascus. st John moschos was a monk around 5 and 6 th century while John of damascus was in the 7 th century.God bless you

[@P.Whitestrake]

Different John. They both were badass, though.

[@MuttonBiryani1994]

@@lucienlagarde8093John Of Damascus was 8th century.

[@tonycostatorontoapologetic5307]

Different John.

[@AP-zn8bg]

There are several problems with this The spiritual meadow was originally written in greek whereas muhamaed was an arab and surah al kahf was revealed in 615 where as jhon maschos died in 619 or 634 and it is unknown when he wrote his book Also jhon maschos lived in syrai and egypt until 604 where the official language was syriac and coptic and aramiac (which is a dilect of syriac). In the year 604 he moved to antioch where the official language was greek. So it is reasonable to assume that he wrote it there as greek is the offucal language thete and that is so far away from mecca or even petra if you believe islam started there

[@IslamCritiqued]

Stories are widespread, and are transmitted orally. When this sort of thing happens over and over and over with the Quran from a variety of sources it becomes impossible to deny.

[@AP-zn8bg]

@@IslamCritiqued it turns out that the story you mentioned is not found in the original greek standard edition but rather in a later Greek manuscript after the advent of islam. This is attested to by many orientalist I can't post the link on KZbin that shows that if you could provide me an email address I will do that If you have evidence that says otherwise please send me it as I couldn't find any

[@IslamCritiqued]

I’ve read your other comments- nothing new. You’re making standard arguments made any time this sort of thing occurs in the quran- which is a bunch. By your standards you have to redate the quran, by the way, if you want to base it entirely on extant manuscripts. Good luck.

[@AP-zn8bg]

@@IslamCritiqued try the Sanaa manuscript

[@IslamCritiqued]

Wow....I can't believe you're still attempting the sanaa argument.

[@Victory1942]

Both the christian and the muslim are borrowing from a known talmudic legend where the angel is the figure of Elijah the Prophet conversing with a Sage from the Rabbis

[@sheikhboyardee556]

Gosh, it sounds like another copy in the quran taken from other religions. Not much original in islam.

[@sarahrosen4985]

The disgusting savagery, violence and borish ignorance is original. E.V.E.R.Y. other civilization and religion that came before was more civilized, sophisticated and cosmopolitan.

[@P.Whitestrake]

Islam is basically Arianism with extra step, mixed with the elemnts of Judaism & Arabic paganism.

[@ImCarolB]

Not only have the writers of the Quran borrowed a previous story, but a story with such a miserable message that God would never let be called His word.

[@albusai]

Tiny incomplete book full of plagiarism 😅

[@mosheyriver7249]

Sir, are you saying that the Quran is not the eternal words of Al-lah?! This is Islamophobia!

[@SeraphMowlid]

Cursed be the qur'an. May darkness cover its memory forever. I was born into this filth. But the LORD GOD delivered me from it. My family is still trapped in it, however.

[@wandering_circles7487]

I hope that your family follow you example to leaving Islam and return to Christ.

[@SeraphMowlid]

@@wandering_circles7487 amiin God bless you.

[@AP-zn8bg]

Hey cloin You saud that this story can be found in the spiritual meadow that is a lie It cant be found in the established edition of the spiritual meadow But in an unreviewed copy from the 8th century

[@IslamCritiqued]

The cited resources address all of that.

[@AP-zn8bg]

@IslamCritiqued where can I find them and in what page are they Also these sources are biest It's only fair that you provide me with the sources

[@AP-zn8bg]

@IslamCritiqued but no edition of the original Greek text has been made which could be considered either accurate or complete. The following remarks are prolegomena to a new edition. This is from the orientilist Philip Pattenden

[@IslamCritiqued]

When you look at these things comprehensively, cumulatively, there is no way you can come to the conclusion that the Quran did not borrow from numerous sources. I have dozens of videos on this. Your response will be the same, to all of them, it’s always the same response. So maybe watch the playlists on this stuff and withhold your comments until after- I know what your responses will be anyway.

[@AP-zn8bg]

@IslamCritiqued no I don't have the same response The story of thu al qarnyan is clearly taken from alexander romance and same thing can be said about the 7 sleepers of Ephesus. But this is not the same. The later Greek manuscript was written along time after the advent of islam and it even has mentions of islamic prayer places as mentioned in Andrew Marsham book on the umayad empire.

[@mariolis]

Strangling a child for any reason is horrible in my opinion... And saying that the bad deeds it was supposed to do when it grew up could somehow affect the salvation of the virtuous father is extremelly disturbing ...

[@Perceptionista]

It's always important to discern these stories, which are likely very apocryphal and deviations from the precepts and teachings of the faith and scriptures. We shouldn't accept these stories at face value and we shouldn't excuse them or ignore them. Do question them if they are not from God. And I say this as an Eastern Orthodox Christian. Our church is not filled with wonderful perfect people saints but with all kinds of rascals who sin (right to the top of the church), some very disgusting, and these type of 'stories' made by certain questionable individuals are always a reminder of how the Church at many times, is far from the promised unblemished Bride of Christ. And the Lord is always needed to clean us and make us holy.

[@mariolis]

@@Perceptionista The story is so obviously very different from the teaching of Jesus... Probably a made-up story from a believer that had a very warped view of righteousness ...

[@Perceptionista]

@@mariolis Aside from Jesus' teaching, looks like the author (presumably John Moscos) wasn't aware of passages like Ezekiel 18. 'Fathers do not bear the sins of sons, nor sons the sins of fathers'

[@indrajyotidutt5873]

Yeah. I also think that the Qur'an borrowed some or, many things from other sources thus exposing itself as a human composed and plagiarised book.

[@atillanasution1446]

The fame of Jesus' name was ridden by false prophets Matthew 24 :4-5 4.Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5.For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Messiah,' and will deceive many. And confirmed in Matthew 7 : 21-23 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of heaven - only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 on the last day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and do many powerful deeds? 23 Then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you. Go away from me, you lawbreakers! It is clear in Matthew 7: 21 who will enter heaven and in Matthew 7: 22-23 who will be kicked to hell. Paul a false prophet? Why are Paul's letters in the Gospels? In Mark 1: 14 -15, where is the Gospel of God from Jesus? Why are the contents of the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John different? Are there any changes to the Gospel caused by the Nicea Conceli? There is truth in the gospel but are there bugs? There is no resurrection of Jesus, if you understand John 14. Jesus said he would go to God (the Father) and return again. So Jesus' disciples asked. In John 14:8-15 Philip's ask and Jesus' answer are indications that Jesus' death and resurrection never happened. In John 14: !6-17 and John 14: 26 there will be a replacement for Jesus. Who is the spirit of truth/holy spirit as another helper who will teach everything forever and also remember the words (teachings) of Jesus? Many of the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad were the same as the teachings of Jesus (Prophet Isa). Such as fasting, praying with prostration, women must cover their heads (hijab), prohibition on getting drunk (alcohol), prohibition on taking usury, prohibition on eating pork. The information that Jesus (Prophet Isa) will return is in the hadith.

[@Pat.hibuleire]

Stop drinking camel beer Taqiya boy

[@EdDani33]

HAVE YOU READ ABOUT THE COMPANION OF YOUR FALSE PRO-PHET? WHAT A PERVERT THUG THAT UMAR AL-KHATTAB IS? Imam Bayhiqi wrote in his book Sunan al-Kubra: عن نافع ، عن ابن عمر ” أنه كان إذا اشترى جارية كشف عن ساقها ووضع يده بين ثدييها و على عجزها Translation: Nafe’e narrated that whenever Ibn Umar wanted to buy a slave-girl, he would inspect her by analysing her legs and placing his hands between her breasts and on her buttocks” Musannaf Abd al-Razzaq 13204 Narrated Mujahid: "Ibn Umar placed his hand between her breasts, and shook them." Unstudied. Sahih on the conditions of al-Bukhari and Mus-lim. Anas reported: قَالَ رَأَى عُمَرُ أَمَةً لَنَا مُتَقَنِّعَةً فَضَرَبَهَا وَقَالَ لَا تَشَبَّهِي بِالْحَرَائِرِ Umar saw one of our maidservants wearing a veil and he flogged her. Umar said: Do not resemble free women. 6382. Narrated Anas ibn Malik: Umar saw a slave girl wearing a veil, so he struck her. He said: "Do not emulate free woman." Source: Muṣannaf Ibn Abī Shaybah 6/236 Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah 6382 and 6383. AND THIS KIND OF 'MAN' IS 'TRUSTWORTHY'? “If there were to be a Prophet after me, it would be Umar ibn al-Khattab.” (Jami al-Tirmidhi 3686. Classed hasan by al-Albani and al-Arna’ut.) Narrated 'Uqbah bin 'Amir: that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "If there was to have a Prophet after me, it would have been 'Umar bin Al-Khattab." Hasan (Darussalam) Ref.: Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3686, Book 49, Hadith 82

[@eucharistenjoyer]

Muhammad "The Ear" Ibn Shaytan

[@andrewkelley9405]

both of these stories are terrible.

[@KJB-Man]

Muhammad had to borrow (steel) everything, because he had not the intellect, or morals, to fabricate anything, that even has a hint of humility and sincerity, let alone godliness!

[@roz1027]

Mo could have been the President of Harvard - or even the United States - with all of his plagiarism

[@talithacumi8034]

Islam is distorted plagiarism, as well. It's been purposely twisted to make it seem as if it had an original thought when the Quran is a mash-up of conflicting ideals. It will be interesting when the full truth of the origins of Islam comes to light.

[@ririkoism]

And We surely know that they say, “No one is teaching him except a human.” But the man they refer to speaks a foreign tongue, whereas this ˹Quran˺ is ˹in˺ eloquent Arabic Surely those who do not believe in Allah’s revelations will never be guided by Allah, and they will suffer a painful punishment. No one fabricates lies except those who disbelieve in Allah’s revelations, and it is they who are the ˹true˺ liars. Whoever disbelieves in Allah after their belief not those who are forced while their hearts are firm in faith,but those who embrace disbelief wholeheartedly-they will be condemned by Allah and suffer a tremendous punishment This is because they prefer the life of this world over the Hereafter. Surely Allah never guides those who ˹choose to˺ disbelieve. They are the ones whose hearts, ears, and eyes are sealed by Allah, and it is they who are ˹truly˺ heedless. Quran 16:103-108

[@mysotiras21]

LOL!!! The "eloquent" Arabic of the Qur'an is filled with grammatical errors and foreign words. That pathetic little book is such a JOKE.

[@AhmedWilders]

But in the story of 7 sleepers and their dog ...according to Christian accounts The number of years the 7 sleepers slept also varies between accounts. The highest number, given by Gregory of Tours, was 373 years. Some accounts have 372. Jacobus de Voragine calculated it at 196 years (from the year 252 until 448) Other calculations suggest 195 years Islamic accounts Islamic accounts, including the Qur'an, give a sleep of 309 years. These are presumably lunar years, which would make it 300 solar years. Qur'an 18:25 says, "And they remained in their cave for three hundred years and exceeded by nine."

[@FromValkyrie]

The story of the sleepers was a legend. It wasn't real. And profit mo just plagiarized it into his Quran thinking it was a real event. Thank God for the age of the internet and free information. 😂 😂 😂

[@AbdulazizSultan-kr4tt]

​@@FromValkyriedo you have a proof it is a legend

[@mysotiras21]

SO??? It is still quite obvious that the writer of the Qur'an STOLE this Christian LEGEND, but acted as though it were a fact and revelation from some god.

[@Pat.hibuleire]

​@@AbdulazizSultan-kr4ttyou believe because sulaiman died standing Nobody noticed he was dead nor even the jinns Bro stop lying to yourself This religion is from the devil himself God can not condones pedophilia prostitution liying killing of innocent christians

[@lastjedi2928]

Hahahahahha verily mo twisted and plagiarised our books !!

[@ewazizemska781]

Fake Profet Fake Quran 🤣 Thank You ❤

[@MuftiMasala]

Of course but the quran version sounds better

[@sheikhboyardee556]

Since the muslim version is nothing more than a copy they were able to refine it. Neither are legitimate parts of the Bible or the quran.

[@MuftiMasala]

@@sheikhboyardee556 Masha'Allah

[@kuppa391]

Muslims should all praise John Moschos the christian monk for revealing the quran to mohammed, amen.

[@mysotiras21]

HARDLY!!! The Qur'an passes this FABLE off as genuine scripture, something God approves. The story John told was simply a parable illustrating values held by monastics.

[@MajMat073]

Is there anyone out there that discusses what islam really is, the world wonders, nuff said.

[@babylonking9896]

If you take away the copied stories of the prophets from the quran such as: Ibrahim, Moses, Isaac, Jacob, Elyas, Jesus, Ishmael, Adam, Idris, Lot, Haroun, David, Solomon, Younis, If you take away the mythological ancient stories found all over the quran, the Israelites, copies of Christian folk tales, etc If you take away all the nonsense, non-spiritual verses that talk about nature, earth, sun, moon, stars, water, mountains, animals, ants, spiders, camels. At the end, you would have nothing left all, maybe one or two inconsequential pages if you’re lucky. This goes to show you without the shadow of the doubt that quran is a man-made book of over 23 years of colleting stories, plagiarizing from Christian & Jewish sources, folk tales, etc. Even muhammad’s tribe accused him of repeating stories of ancient earlier civilization as an inspired revelation which were very common in Arabia.

[@ameeralkhatib5198]

Which folk tales are you referring to?

[@ririkoism]

Do not argue with the People of the Book unless gracefully, except with those of them who act wrongfully. And say, “We believe in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to you. Our God and your God is ˹only˺ One. And to Him we ˹fully˺ submit.” Similarly ˹to earlier messengers˺, We have revealed to you a Book ˹O Prophet˺. ˹The faithful of˺ those to whom We gave the Scriptures believe in it, as do some of these ˹pagan Arabs˺. And none denies Our revelations except the ˹stubborn˺ disbelievers You ˹O Prophet˺ could not read any writing ˹even˺ before this ˹revelation˺, nor could you write at all. Otherwise, the people of falsehood would have been suspicious. But this ˹Quran˺ is ˹a set of˺ clear revelations ˹preserved˺ in the hearts of those gifted with knowledge. And none denies Our revelations except the ˹stubborn˺ wrongdoers. Quran 29:46-49

[@mysotiras21]

YAWN. Cat vomit from the book of error-filled, self-contradicting, plagiarized cat vomit.