Why Should I Pay My Wife Child Support?

[@zenfriend3260]

Love how he said “the child” and “it” in the first two minutes to describe his own child ☹️

[@marinal2705]

Also weird that he's referring to his child in past tense all the time... almost like he's done with his child

[@BigRed2]

My Dad never paid child support for me and my two brothers, we grew up dirt poor in deep poverty, Mom worked two Jobs and we moved 15 times before i was 18, i will never talk to my father as long as i’m alive and would encourage every father who is ordered to pay support to pay it even if it crushes you and let your child know you are there for them. Your Children will be adults one day.

[@celestialgardens4380]

I'm so sorry you experienced that. The caller sounds like an immature jerk, complaining about a low amount for child support and even getting into a physical fight in front of his children with their grandfather. He's got bigger issues than child support.

[@downbad2874]

This is the way some of these dads want it they don’t care how you live because they’ll just blame the mom and people will believe them

[@iluop3623]

Even if it crushes you. You're a bad child. It's no wonder your father abandoned you.

[@americangirl8970]

My father , who never paid child support , had the gall to call me and ask for money because his OTHER DAUGHTER bankrupted him. I laughed and hung up on him.

[@Lambeh]

​@@iluop3623 You sure sound pleasant.

[@margaretzeaiter8955]

He says “she could work and she’s not”. Then he states, twice, that she “has a great career”. Which is it?

[@lmlmlmlm7627]

It could be that’s she’s educated/qualified to have a great career but choosing not to work.

[@ggrace1133]

She’s likely been educated and has experience with a good resume but she’s choosing not to work, putting all the financial burden on him.

[@seleneledezma3543]

She has a career, she doesn't have a job. Meaning, she has the education and/or skills to work but chooses not to.

[@AllynHin]

Both things are true. She was in a great career, probably making as much money (or more) as he is, but at some point she quit. From other things he said, it sounds like she was home during COVID and never went back. So she has a great career and purposely chose not to go back.

[@debbiem7834]

If someone isn't working, you usually don't say someone has a great career. You say they HAD a great career.

[@saywhatnow57]

At no point did he talk about who's buying the clothes for the kids, who's paying the school fees, who's playing the sports fees, who's paying for summer camp... $400 is an insanely cheap excuse to tell her to pay for all of that stuff.

[@UnstoppableMorgan]

That’s because this isn’t divorce court. No matter who is paying for what, the divorce decree is done. No reason for John to waste time asking him those questions, he’s not a judge. The man in this scenario got screwed like most men do in America when the woman pops out one kid and decides to leave. John did the right thing by trying to help him accept the child support payment and move on. Peace of mind is the secret to happiness folks!

[@SusyCares]

The kids isn’t school age yet, he said he’s paying for his childcare and that the other parents has family supporting her and not working.

[@saywhatnow57]

@@UnstoppableMorgan You're missing my point. I'm saying the dad didn't mention it. That $400/mo is a blessing. Kids are expensive. This guy got joint custody. But now anytime the kid wants to spend $200 here and $200 there for this or that sport, or summer camp, or school fees, he can harass his ex-wife to pay for it out of the $400. $400 is CHEAP to get to hold stuff like that over an ex's head. Yes, men do get screwed all the time, but this dude got a pretty decent deal and he doesn't even realize it.

[@beardedwonder70]

In a 50/50 custody arrangement, both parents are typically involved in paying for 50% of everything for that child. Even when child support is part of the equation. I pay 1600-1800 a month and STILL cover 50% of my children's monetary needs. Is it expensive? Yes, but my children are my world. So... when I hear 400 a month.... good I wish! Lol

[@katherinehutton9870]

At no point did he speak about the child either.

[@doetripp1]

I paid $250,000 and had my kids half the time. Plus lawyers fees etc. sometimes charging my child support on credit cards. Paid IN FULL! Proud of it and my kids love me.

[@TheeyarutSaetae-yr3bq]

❤❤❤ YES

[@michellepalmer1160]

I hope you would laugh at a guy complaining about paying 400 or less a month..

[@swordofthedawn6495]

too much. kids arent worth that

[@darrynjacobs8550]

Wow, so proud of funding your ex wife and her lifestyle

[@baxterbrownentertainment]

Governments happy for you too

[@kerrissedai6857]

It sounds like he wants to “punish” her for leaving, but can’t.

[@lynaeeakettgreene7208]

Yeah, it really does sound that way.

[@leahartlee29]

You got it!!

[@JJ-lp1mj]

It’s 2024, you’re not entitiled to another persons assets. It’s called equality

[@Katprint]

Yes, and when the children are grown she will no longer be entitled to receive child support.

[@JJ-lp1mj]

@@Katprint The point of child support is that if the child lives with one parent more than the other then that parent has more financial responsibility to handle for the child and therefore should be reimbursed. That goes out the window when you have 50-50 custody the child spends equal amount of time at both parents houses. Does no one actually read the laws anymore?

[@alfrancis8]

This is one episode where i wish the wife would call in for part 2

[@pinkpugginz]

Sounds like he went over tried to take his son, his ex-father-in-law got involved, and then he beat up his ex-father-in-law trying to take his son. I doubt that his ex-sister-in-law lied about anything. And for the judge to say they can only communicate digitally through email for the rest of their custody agreement is very serious. I got a feeling this guy is a domestic abuser and he's calling and complaining about having to pay child support. Complaining that he didn't get to file first on his wife and he wants to get one over on her

[@BLITZ5309-b8o]

@@pinkpugginz you’re delusional

[@rebeccamurphy3251]

“I’m a good Christian man” doesn’t go with assaulting your FIL and not wanting to support your child. Also, a lot of people in the comments seem to be basing their opinion off of their own personal experiences and not the one on this episode. He said she works, so they are both working and sharing custody. The courts decide what someone pays, not the spouse. Put your personal feelings down for a sec and look at the facts this caller is stating.

[@snopure]

We still sin even when we're saved. It'd be good to remember we all slip up, especially when we're angry, so I wouldn't judge a man for getting out of sorts in an obviously acrimonious custody battle. He takes care of his son as well (did you miss the part where they have 50-50 custody?), so from his POV it's his ex wife getting his money, not his son.

[@lornalong6468]

Yes. The Court assessed BOTH their finances & ruled he pays $400. You cannot support a child on $400 alone. It's obvious she is also supporting the son financially. Maintenance is NOT a win or lose. It's a financial plan towards the best solution for your children.

[@EmpressMermaid]

​@joanarc7963 and you know it's going to be messed up when they start a sentence with "I'm a Christian, but....."

[@Wants2knowitall]

@@lornalong6468this! It is very detailed paperwork that is submitted, sometimes with pay stubs and tax returns. If this guy thinks it only costs $800/month to raise a kid, we know who was handling the bills in that house.

[@jangrosemartindale8740]

Video evidence revealed the father-in-law attacked him, the court sentenced her sister to jail for providing FASE accusations. Seriously?

[@barbthegreat586]

This guy is very, very lucky that his wife works and has a good job. That's why he pays measly $400.

[@hayley179g]

Either that or they're both low income

[@calliehastings8656]

it doesnt go off the new spouse's income. just his. it makes it easier for him to deal financially but the reason he pays $400 is because of solely his income

[@bridgetcurry9578]

He said she could work bur doesn't.

[@tarablue4472]

@@bridgetcurry9578 She has a special needs child. That's a full time occupation.

[@littleme3597]

@@bridgetcurry9578 Two kids with special needs. Who would watch them, while she works? I would do it differently, if I did it again. $200 for 2 kids, back then. I worked a little over minimum wage. I put him through school, so he had a degree. I worked for him. He made a lot of money. He dock'ed me, when they visited him. One of our sons shoes cost 75 dollars for a turned in foot. He was to keep them on his insurance. He didn't. My fee for some day care, was over 200 a month. My poor kids. It never occurred to me to go on welfare. They suffered.

[@BigBrownBear-615]

Love your kid more than you hate her. I’ll say it again for those in the back. -- Love your kid MORE than you hate her. -- Do the right thing, co-parents.

[@Demonoicgamer666]

How does he know that money is going to the kid though?

[@BigBrownBear-615]

@@Demonoicgamer666 10:34 lol, did you even listen to this?

[@sakitoby1581]

ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. The fact that in 3 months this has only received 46 likes is pathetic. It tells you how sorry the state of families is in this country. Sad.

[@cherylhowie2935]

👏👏👏

[@monapaquin9794]

@@Demonoicgamer666 Child support is designed to cover various expenses necessary for a child's upbringing. It typically includes basic living costs such as food, clothing, and housing.

[@littleme3597]

My cheating husband, said he did not want to pay anything for his 2 kids. The attorney said. "Please Mr. XXXX., they are still YOUR CHILDREN! He did not want to be responsible for anything. He said to me, he wants the guy I was dating to adopt his 2 kids, but wants to retain all visitation rights. We were just dating! My son has abandonment issues. Wonder why? Sarcasm.

[@whitleyhoover6480]

😔

[@beehungry6190]

I am so sorry and I hope your son finds a male role model with good character.

[@ZBM-jj1xr]

Sounds to me like he wants another man to financially and physically take care of his children, but wants to retain some connection so the kids will be obligated to take care of him and go to his funeral and all that.

[@Chris-ok9ts]

Something you are leaving out of the story

[@Soulsphere001]

Yeah, that's ridiculous. If he doesn't want the responsibility of raising them and/or paying child support, he shouldn't have visitation rights either. He either goes all in on his kids or he gives up *all* his rights to them.

[@Nonya12608]

You pay what the court dictates. Period. Marriage isn't a prison, and if one partner no longer wants it, can get out. This crap happens to women all the time. I'd be willing to bet he would see that as completely acceptable. My best friend, a woman, got screwed on child support. Men are not victims.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

Oh man, they always see themselves as such victims if they have to pay child support. They want to see it abolished. There's enough dead beat dads as it is, even w/ child support laws finally in place. It has helped men somewhat to be more careful when having premarital sex. Before child support,they pretty much didn't care about being careful, because they knew they could walk and it was all on the women. It makes them so darn mad that it isn't all on the woman now, when they make babies.

[@LGDarksteed]

Happens far more often to men then it does to women when women file for divorce 80% of the time.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

@@LGDarksteed What is your point in complaining about that? Women file under 70%, it's not 80%. Doesn't help to misrepresent, as there's enough of that.

[@Leafonthewind92]

@@LGDarksteedwomen are filing because the men are cheating or abusing.

[@LGDarksteed]

@@saintejeannedarc9460 Who's complaining? The OP said "This happens all the time to women". I'm simply pointing out that it happens more to men then it does to women. Also saying that men aren't victims is rather dehumanizing. That would never be said to women in any circumstance.

[@dubyabalthazar4598]

He asked for 50/50 to get out of paying child support but the fact he still needs to pay is pissing him off.

[@downbad2874]

He did not take an account his child disability

[@dubyabalthazar4598]

@@downbad2874 whatcha mean?

[@ineedhoez]

Facts!!!!!!

[@Soydulce3581]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼Exactly what I was about to say. Judges do not automatically dish out 50/50 custody. Someone probably said you know if you get 50/50 you don't have to pay child support. That is only true if you both make the same financially. If one makes more than the other then that person has to pay child support!! This caller is a character smh!

[@jangrosemartindale8740]

All this ugly damning statements towards a Dad who has 50/50 custody, in all likelihood has court ordered health insurance on his kids, too, is ***disturbing*** given her father violently assaulted him- it’s on the video from the neighbor’s cam system- they lied in court, which resulted in the sister going to jail- disgusts me with y’all hating on him.

[@ppoppoiop6375]

Nothing is his fault, even attacking his father-in-law. What a dreamboat. Can't imagine why she left him.

[@ChrisAndCats]

She could be terrible. You don't know.

[@ppoppoiop6375]

@@ChrisAndCats Sure, but we KNOW he is.

[@donnabaker4713]

​@ppoppoiop6336 she and her sister made false allegations. They are the terrible ones!

[@ppoppoiop6375]

@@donnabaker4713 That's only if you take him at his word. He contradicts himself multiple times in this short call. It's safe to say he's an unreliable narrator.

[@JourneyDestination]

@@ppoppoiop6375Your fake photo might be able to disguise you hideous face but your words reveal your hideous soul.

[@sherryd3299]

I hope his son never finds out that his father didn't want to even pay $400 a month for him.

[@celestialgardens4380]

make that $200 because he's got two children.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

@@celestialgardens4380 I'm pretty sure it's just one, as he mentioned one that's all John focused on as well. $400 would be a pittance for 2, but even for one,it's not a lot. I'm pretty sure she makes less than him.

[@gossipandgrigio7200]

Oh he will kids are smarter than parents think

[@theroadlesstaken8087]

I know men that pay double that for one child

[@gossipandgrigio7200]

@@theroadlesstaken8087 they must make a lot of money it goes by income

[@awesomemom533]

You need to support your child regardless of who did what to whom. That is your child! Why is this even a question?

[@dtschuor459]

Most people feel like the support they pay is money that goes to the ex. That financial obligation really ticks them off. I get it, because the money goes to the adult you no longer love. They usually can’t recognize that the money is there to help their children.

[@danzellsayles2555]

This is the perspective you have to look at from men's point of view. Most not all men but most men wouldn't have a problem paying child support if the money went to a shared account that both parents could view. But as men we know the child support is paying your bills and lifestyle, because you still expect us to help out with school, sports, medical and ect. on top the child support that we're already paying. Women don't have this issue unfortunately. I know this isn't all women but just like the men it is the majority of them.

[@dtschuor459]

@@danzellsayles2555 I like the idea of a transparent account visible to both parties. As a mother who never received ANY support, I probably would have felt similarly, about funds sent directly to my ex. I just need to point out, with the vast majority of support orders, the money given to the custodial parent is rarely so much that it supports a “lavish” lifestyle that the parent would otherwise not have if the kids didn’t exist. If you had a very wealthy parent, or a huge disparity in earnings, perhaps. But, for the ordinary families, it’s honest not that large a sum of money.

[@leahartlee29]

EXACTLY!

[@salita777]

​@@danzellsayles2555 Paying your bills and lifestyle? Are these special bills? Or bills like rent, electricity, water that children need? And if taking care of the kids means a mother has to forgo some career opportunity, or if she becomes sick due to exhaustion, do men think of this?

[@bev3599]

My husband and I divorced when my children were under 3.....he always put himself first instead of the family's but not evil....he never missed child support and took them every 2 weeks....I did not down talk him to our kids.....one day my son said "Dad's kind of selfish isnt he?".. I just said yeah and that was my vindication....

[@jamielivingston7765]

He paid his child support? Why would you let your son think he is selfish? Did you leave something out?

[@me.mm12]

@@jamielivingston7765pay child support is not the only obligation of a parent…

[@mariegiardini]

@@jamielivingston7765 Men hate accountabiility! Men want to look like heros when in fact they are the villlian! Paying child support does not absolve him of HIS father duties! If the son saw him as selfish then that is who HE showed his son he is and all the mother did was validate it.

[@MomNeedsHelp]

​@jamielivingston7765 ummm, just paying child support doesn't make you unselfish. My ex pays his on time every month, and he is number 1 in his life. When my kids were little, he said they were too much work. Saw them 3 times total the 1st year. He paid the cs tho.

[@donnav6219]

Just because you split up means you get out of being financially responsible for raising your child. Here is what the Judge probably decided, if she is unable to keep a significant amount of her salary after daycare then it may be better to remain at home. Also, special needs children, some of them, can not go into a daycare which is not equipped to handle skilled nursing. My brother and his wife has a special needs child so I know how this goes.

[@sherrycarter6222]

You are exactly right.

[@carolr7823]

She should get a job.

[@juanmartinez1337]

I got divorced 5 years ago. I paid 1800dllrs a month in child support and alimony. I was raised that i have to take care of my kids and just because I divorced the mother it doesn’t mean I am nor responsible for my kids. As long as my kids are ok financially I am happy.

[@jackcoleman5955]

You are doing great. Thanks for still fighting, and being a lion despite the pain n disappointment.

[@Dan16673]

Well you have a point. Financial is just one aspect, the damage tbe divorce did will last forever

[@manifest2203]

Your values make you a great father.

[@Arturo_Zepe]

Smart way to see it

[@happycamper3561]

Here's your trophy for great life choices

[@smileygirl622]

"I needed to work to provide for my family during COVID so bad that I risked my marriage and my wife walked out because of our child's medical risk, so now I'm wondering if there's a biblical way I don't have to provide for them anymore". Wow a real catch.

[@catherinescooking.6828]

Right, and he blames everyone but himself.

[@lthuente7458]

But but but he’s a Christian. She should submit and l him do what he wants cause he’s a MAN. no thank you.

[@eventhere2788]

I got a crappy $185/mo for child support. It didn't cover daycare, clothing, food, activities. I worked my a* off to provide for my kids. I was unsuccessful trying to get child support increased. It's ok, I raised my kids and proud of how I never failed them. Personally

[@timschmidt3784]

What was your custody arrangement? How much more did your ex make than you?

[@TH-eb5ro]

It is tough, my mom raised five, little help from grandmother, we were broke. Step dad quit jobs to not pay child support, took cash only jobs to support himself and new family. To this day I am so against workers who want cash (or don't give legal receipts) as I suspect they are dodging taxes or child support. My mom went back to colleg/work once my youngest was in school. We all struggled because he felt he should not support his children.

[@TH-eb5ro]

@@timschmidt3784 Agreed, most states have a calculator to figure it out.

[@eventhere2788]

@timschmidt3784 At the time, I was a SAHM and he made all the money. Child support didn't even cover the cost of daycare. He worked for a corrupt police department and apparently made friends with the payroll clerk. I'm sure the paystubs were falsified. Over the course of 18 years with that police department, no matter how many times we subpoenaed his paystubs, W2 and tax returns, he consistently showed no pay increases over the course of 18 years, no side jobs. Our divorce decree specified 26% of his net. Which at the time came out to $185.

[@eventhere2788]

@TH-eb5ro I'm so sorry but your mom sounds like one tough lady!

[@vickieann1668]

None of his backstory matters. Take care of your kids!!!

[@scratch57]

Yeah, who cares about facts, right? There’s no way this is entirely her doing when she’s the one that filed a no-fault…

[@rubenwatson1723]

Amen brother!!!!!

[@morganalayna4247]

He has 50/50 custody. He IS.

[@annabethdiana5857]

50/50 custody means that each parent gets the kids 50% of the time. Child support is issued when one parent (usually the woman) has full custody, and the other gets every other weekend and Wednesdays. He’s doing more than his fair share, she needs to stop demanding child support and drop it.

[@itsshevyb]

​@scratch57 how does any of that change the fact thst he is a father?. If they were still married and lived together won't he still be contributing to his child's care? Do you think $400 covers 1/2 of what is needed to raise a sick child ?

[@ghostophelia2245]

Just pay the dang child support. Sounds really messy, but these kids still need financial help. 400 bucks doesnt even cover half these days. If a father came to me complaining in my court, id double it

[@sjbsavageink]

heh. i know of a dude who did that. bitched about the amount after the ex asked for less than half of the max and the court made him pay more than she even asked for which wasn't even the max. 😆

[@ThePolarcub]

He has the kids half the time and as such is paying for half their life as well as caring for them already before you include child support. The $400 is just extra he has to pay because reasons.

[@lorim2000]

There’s an ocean of details he’s leaving out. I hope he finds truth and balance before moving onto another relationship. And that someone tells him he got off easy with only $400!!

[@captainsisko7629]

How do you know ?????

[@bobbob-zc1nx]

Easy!? They have equal custody! No money should exchange hands! If she left she should be paying him restitution for the dissolving of the family unit, without his consent.

[@mr.fettesq.7705]

The fact u can even say he "got off easy" is the problem with family court. If it's 50-50 then she shouldn't be getting anything

[@meggold3422]

Unfortunately, I think you're right. That mom is extremely vindictive, and without a camera across the street, she might have gotten full custody while the dad would have gotten jail time and lost his job, as well. She doesn't care about Truth, nor her child, only winning. Hopefully she'll let go of enough of the bitterness to allow their child to grow up in reasonable harmony, and that the dad will learn to let that amount go, and focus on the fact he got joint custody against the odds, as well as has a decent job to pay for what he needs to pay.

[@kcourtney6826]

It's crazy how people think $400.00 a month is enough to take care of a kid thats not enough to cover daycare🤣🤣🤣

[@JaxLittles]

Some of you missed that first part. They have a child with medical issues from birth. During covid he chose to keep meeting clients. Im in my 30s and covid caused me to get COPD (I'venever smoked). Im willing to bet he never took covid seriously and it looked like he didnt care about protecting their child. And shes been the one caring for the child the most and she has had to suffer watching the child suffer, so him discarding her concerns and probably the advice of the child's doctors made her feel like he didnt care about her or the child

[@imnezu8940]

Both sides have a point though. How is he supposed to support his family if he’s not working? How are you supposed to pay for this supposed sick kids medical bills? They should have figured out a system for them to both get what they needed that was such a simple problem to fix if he just gave himself a day or two to confirm he didn’t get sick.

[@Kivlor]

The H is terrible because he... _checks notes_ ... went to work. Yeah. Comments like this really drive home that we should repeal the 19th Amendment.

[@lovette7684]

​@@imnezu8940go stay somewhere else! This is not that hard.

[@BeckyMatthew32572]

@@Kivlor That came out of nowhere, lol. And people think feminism is unnecessary in the US now days.

[@Kivlor]

@@BeckyMatthew32572 read what I responded to. Now put on your thinking cap: if feminism has led us to this kind of thought, it seems like it should be reversed, not embraced lol. (PS want an even hotter take: we should repeal the 15th while we're at it 😉 )

[@carolallison9685]

Ok, it's time to put on my ex investigator hat because this guy is a bad liar. He first said she could work but chooses not to, but then says she has a great career and he doesn't know why he has to pay child support. So, does she work or not? He also made the claim that the sister went to jail for a really long time for perjury. Well, most people go overnight for perjury, or at most, a weekend if they're booked on a friday evening and can't find a bondsman. Perjury is not the crime people think it is. Just look at Congress. Next, we have the claim that he was visiting his son, trouble broke out, and he tried to leave with his son. The dad confronts him, and they fight, but he's totally innocent. Ok, first off, you can't, in any state, just leave with your kid. It's called kidnapping. You can not just remove the child from the custody of one parent if that parent says no. You can not just remove the child from the property of the other parent. So if his ex is not allowing him to take said child, and dad stepped in, dad is basically stopping a kidnapping. Theres a reason neither one of them was arrested for the fight. The final thing here is he feels he shouldn't have to pay because they have 50/50 custody. First off, that's not a thing. No judge is going to give equal custody of a child. You can have shared custody, with one parent being the primary caregiver, but there is no such thing as 50/50. Given the fact that mom is the one receiving child support, it's safe to assume she is the primary, and the child lives with her full-time, while dad has visitation. So, yes, he should pay child support. He isn't responsible for paying for the daily care, shelter, feeding, and clothing of the child, nor is he responsible for the childs education. This is how custody law works. So after listening to this guy blabber on, i can see why she left him.

[@kensmith2796]

I agree. I'm shocked there are so many comments here supporting this guy. This guy physically assaulted his father-in-law! That's crazy and dysfunctional. I'm surprised the court allows him to be around his child unsupervised at all. And paying child support is the easiest part of raising a child. Especially when he's only required to pay $400/month. Yet he talks about having a great career. Nothing in his story adds up.

[@aprilfox9205]

Good catch, I thought the same thing. This is basically how my ex and I did it I was primary but we mostly made it work on our own. He paid 80.80 per week mostly for medical expenses. I'm not sure how he thinks 100. A week is a lot. I know a guy who pays $320. Something isn't adding up.🤷

[@Maestroxxx1]

Found the wife.

[@manifest2203]

You are spot on. Even I though there were too many holes in his story.

[@michaelmitchel3471]

​@@kensmith2796sounds like self defense. Otherwise he would be the one in prison.

[@mrskitty7929]

In most states, they have a chart where they plug in each parent’s income and determine who pays how much.

[@crystalsnow1138]

She's not working though so her income is 0.

[@MoonFoxASMR]

@@crystalsnow1138 He literally says "she has a great career" three times.... he's a liar.

[@LoveLacedRN]

You can have a great career, and refuse to work. You have a RN and not be employed.

[@celestialgardens4380]

@@LoveLacedRN she has two children, one with special needs. You think that's not working?

[@JJ-lp1mj]

@@celestialgardens4380who’s the other kid with

[@Kymarov9]

When you marry someone or have a child with them, you put your future in their hands. Choose wisely.

[@veracityhunter7777]

AMEN

[@traceejohnson290]

Unfortunately, someone can really seem reasonable until a Divorce when a child is involved🤔

[@natashadame4397]

Word.

[@mattmasteringer4399]

But some woman pretend to be the most loyal beautiful and lovely person you ever saw then once y’all get married and have children, they change. That’s when you see they’re true colors.

[@kellharris2491]

@@mattmasteringer4399 the same thing happens with men who end up financially abusing their SAHW or else not helping out at home and child care while both partners work so the wife basically does everything. In both cases women are better off divorcing and suing for help because it's the only way they get it.

[@adaramse]

I am glad that wife left him. He doesn’t deserve a wife.

[@stevendavis5095]

Left him. lol

[@adaramse]

@@stevendavis5095 Thanks 😊

[@daddyshark3105]

Why??? F u dude

[@carsonsmith8607]

Agree 💯%. He sounds like a total id10t.

[@littleme3597]

@@stevendavis5095 Yes. He is horrible.

[@linamoses3513]

I hope his kid never hears that call

[@OtisFlint]

Would suck to learn what a lying POS his mother is.

[@TH-eb5ro]

I hope they do and that the father steps up and gets to a better place. Important for kids to learn complexities of adult life.

[@biblethumper8088]

I hope they do. He deserves to be fully exposed so they will never help him when he needs help.

[@JoeJohn-ww1du]

I hope the kids do hear this conversation so they can know what a self¡sh p¡g their mom is and how corrupt the courts are....

[@allisonlew4508]

I hope his kids DO hear the call, so they know what kind of unfair man their biological Dad is. Otherwise, they will wonder why their Dad resents them.

[@Pooh1608]

A Christian in distress over child support is insane

[@symonemoni7377]

How?

[@gossipandgrigio7200]

@@symonemoni7377 because they like to pretend they’re good people, but this guy clearly doesn’t wanna take care of his own kid. total hypocrite

[@nancysmith6053]

There's no hate like christian love.

[@thedavesiknow4598]

​@nancysmith6053 FR!

[@Kivlor]

@@gossipandgrigio7200 child support isn't for the kids. It is described by every jurisdiction as a payment from one parent to another to raise the second parent's standard of living closer to what it was before the marriage dissolved.

[@mistermanman]

This caller is NOT telling the whole story.

[@davidhavel8162]

Yes. Something doesn't add up with those numbers so something is missing. I like that John didn't focus on that though and turned it to just being there for the son and having acceptance.

[@lmcdonald1879]

he is a man divorcing ......who will listen to his WHOLE STORY

[@savonnae.7246]

we would have. or else why be here? @@lmcdonald1879

[@susanplatt5331]

Male's never do.

[@OtisFlint]

@@susanplatt5331 Says the gender that constantly makes false allegations.

[@peacefreedom4930]

What I heard: The caller is selfish and wants to do whatever the f he wants to do. He puts himself as more important than others and he’s pissed the heck off that the court has him boxed in. When his wife asked him not to meet with clients in person during Covid to protect their medically compromised children his response was “ F her and that child. I’m going to do what I want”. When she asked him to leave her family’s residence while he visited his son, his response was “ F her. I’ll take my son with me”. When the FIL tried to stop him, the response was “ F him. I’ll fight an elder in front of his whole family including my son”. This “ man “ genuinely believes he’s entitled to do whatever and F everyone else. Now the court is telling him what to do and he wants to say “ F the court “. But he doesn’t want to go to jail. So he’s seething. He’s enraged that he can’t just f over everyone and skip off scott free. Yet, he’s a “ Christian “. He’s abusive and I’m glad she left him. I’m also glad he finally is confronted with the real problem, himself.

[@vickimerritt2832]

Exactly. He is lucky he wasnt charged with assault on the FIL, abduction or interferring with custody and got any visitation and such low CS, Total jerk, too stupid to see how lucky he is. As to sister, she may have tried to get him off her father or the kid from being abducted and got arrested herself, but was released on bond or a minor charge. I am not believing guys bs on that either, entirely.

[@ivankrushensky]

Bingo. I don't believe a word he says either, because he contradicts himself multiple times on this one short call. I doubt the "sister" went to jail at all, that wouldn't even make any sense. People commit perjury all the time and nothing happens to them. I bet this guy went to jail though. There's no way he walked into someone else's home, refused to leave when requested and then fought someone without going to jail.

[@ladyjpolite]

I'm glad I'm not the only one really listening. I heard everything you did.

[@Mama.bear.]

I doubt the wife left over his client visit. He’s probably using that as an excuse when she really left over his selfish, abusive behavior. I’ve seen it before-they pick out one “incident” that happened around the same time and use that as the “reason” the ex left. She probably left while he was at that meeting because it was the only safe time to do so.

[@Dreamer-by4nk]

So he says he’s Christian but doesn’t want to pay child support? He helped made this child, and man up and do your part. This is bs and shows what kind of a person he really is. Next!

[@mr.fettesq.7705]

No it doesnt...he shares 50-50 custody. Get ypur head on straight. Think...i know it hurts. What bothers him is that the money is going to her and is used at HER discretion. That's the issue. If they share 50-50 custody why isn't she paying him? CS should be accounted for to the last cent on how it's used. But I'm sure a lot of women would fight that notion. As if they are so Nobel in divorce...yea right

[@roylogan51298]

Where is he not doing his part he has 50/50 custody?

[@neisci]

How much does he make compared to her? Was the mother a stay-at-home mom? If he makes significantly more, he should pay child support.

[@meowy4720]

​​@@roylogan51298He never said that He has the kid 50% of the time. You men just make things up.

[@robertacanderson]

@@neiscishe has a good career which means no she didn’t stay home as a mom. He shouldn’t have to pay more they have 50/50 and she accused him of things that turned out to be not true. She sounds like a shellfish, evil person.

[@grannythebuilder395]

I very much doubt the SiL is in jail for years for perjury.

[@mommaoinnh2674]

My ex told the judge I could have a better job and take less money away from him. I was a middle school Librarian. The judge told him to think of the kids.

[@Feliciations]

Child support is determined by a formula of time spent with the kid and relative income. People act like it is a mystery.

[@EmpressMermaid]

You're right. I used to work as a paralegal filling in child support forms. It's strictly a mathematical formula, there's no credit for who was "right" or "wrong". Since they have 50/50 it's probably due to a discrepancy in their incomes. $400 is not really that much and nowhere near enough to even make a dent in living expenses, so she obviously does have other income.

[@alexatedw]

Not really

[@furryplantsandcoins9070]

That wasn't the problem they have them 50/50 it's shared custody the problem is she makes more money than him why is he having to pay for her when she makes more money it usually goes to whoever makes the least amount. And men get screwed in this country when it comes to child support! And with them having the child 50/50 there should have been no child support.

[@EmpressMermaid]

@@furryplantsandcoins9070 Where does it say she makes more money than him? In fact, his story kept changing in that regard, from she doesn't work to she doesn't work much to she has a good career.

[@murderofcrows7738]

@@EmpressMermaid No it didn’t. She is trained for a good career but she won’t work because then she won’t get support.

[@laurag5168]

I love how people want to find ways for the Bible to support their decisions when it only benefits them. The court doesn’t care what your bible or religion says when it comes to financial responsibility. EDITED TO ADD: He’s annoyed over $400 a month? That’s hardly half of the groceries and copays for my kid who also has special needs. Smh

[@Matt-cr4vv]

People don’t want to be transparent and say that they just don’t want to pay child support at all so they hunt for a moral authority or rationale to argue why they shouldn’t pay it. In their minds if they find a moral argument to stand behind then they won’t come off like a dbag who just doesn’t want to pay child support whatsoever or are just upset for any money to pass through the hands of their ex. This dude doesn’t have one genuine moral qualm with having to pay child support he just has issues with his ex who he doesn’t even think should have been allowed to divorce him. It’s even more of a joke when you listen to him bellymoaning about how it risks his entire financial future only to find out it’s a whopping $400.

[@bobbob-zc1nx]

Child support is evil, give equal custody. If you cant afford it, too bad, you dont get much custody as the breadwinner. Being poor isnt a crime, evil. You should think of that before destroying your marriage. No its never in the best intrest of the child to steal from 1 parent for the other. It incentives divorce too. If you want yo leave, go be poor

[@bleudiamondbleu]

@@bobbob-zc1nxgeez dude you’re btching in every comment. Idk what woman hurt you but go to therapy

[@LadyGaia1985]

​@@bobbob-zc1nxshe is human. She has a special needs child. She put her child first. All I hear on this call is a man-child whinning about having to help with his own child's needs. 😂

[@juliaorpheus]

SMH right along with you!!!

[@franziskani]

She could work - so WHO is going to take care of his special needs son. (she has family, so maybe he hopes they would take care of the boy so she can work). That the child stays with him 50 % of the time does NOT mean she does not still shoulder much more of the burden.

[@Elizabethatthebeach]

Him being proud of hitting his wife's father is disgusting. I get that John is trying to break tension and create trust.. But can we just say on the outside, unless the Fil has been abusing someone, fighting him?!!... 🤮 that woman was absolutely right for leaving..

[@gregzgurl2004]

Exactly! I hope the child didn’t witness. Bragging he got some good licks. Disgusting.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

It's not sounding good at all. Except for the part where the sister went to jail apparently for perjury, I'd be wondering about false allegations. When John tried to ask about the false allegations, he tells a story about fighting his father in law to take his kid. Yikes, he never really answered that question, but that apparently did happen and was caught on camera. If that's the part that's provable and he admits to, you have to wonder what he's not admitting to?

[@Peem_pom]

Absolutely I did not like John laughing at it

[@jangrosemartindale8740]

Video evidence says he was attacked by the father-in-law, who is a larger sized man than this Dad. He protected himself during a physical attack he did not start- video cam says so.

[@momkatmax]

Such a thing to brag about.

[@stephaniej.stanley2141]

He’s not owing “her” child support. He’s owing his kids child support.

[@linjubar]

It’s one thing if she has full custody, and he sees his child at the weekend, but he has joint custody, and is already providing 50% of the child’s upkeep. Why can’t she provide the other 50%. She has a good job, apparently.

[@Chet_24]

​@@linjubarbecause that would be reasonable

[@mr.fettesq.7705]

Wrong. He's paying g her. If it 50-50 custody then why does he pay her anything?? Tgats the question. Yall women are kinda deluded sometimes. Missing the entire point

[@roylogan51298]

So doesn't the wife owe him the same?

[@uglymob591]

You must be a beneficiary of child support 😂…didn’t you here the man say 50/50 custody

[@julieann2315]

My sis ex used to be so mad he had a stepson around whose dad wasn't paying any child support. He always loudly said that if it was my kid, I'd be paying more than the minimum. Now, he is trying every trick to get out of paying for his kids.

[@ladyjpolite]

Exactly 💯

[@franziskani]

Beginning: he says he is worried he will not be able to save up for a house - but later he admits that he makes a pretty good living. So what are his complaints regarding 400 bucks a month REALLY about ? She filed for divorce he said - but later admits it was not her packing up the (special needs) kid when he did not socially distance during COVID that broke the marriage. It wasn't going well before he said. he did not elaborate on how serious the condition of the child is - that can put a major strain on a marriage.

[@deefarhei3617]

yeahhh he's definitely trying to manipulate the truth for sympathy here.

[@brendabrinton2062]

And... she doesn't work but has a career?

[@TheAgentmigs]

$400 a month in child support isnt a hill I would die on though.

[@heyteach5837]

I think he mentioned that he would have to pay for that and child care. He said she has family around to help and it seemed like he didn't. So that can be a significant added expense.

[@kensmith2796]

@@heyteach5837 He bragged a couple times during this 15-minute call that he has a great career. He needs to man up and be a father and pay the measely $400/month child support.

[@JoeKing837]

@@kensmith2796 Clown

[@kensmith2796]

@@JoeKing837 Deadbeat.

[@HaleyStark.]

If someone betrayed and divorced me, $1 would be a hill I would die on. That witch would get NOTHING.

[@michellecheatum3880]

My oldest daughter’s father was very abusive amongst other things, including a narcissist. I left him when she was 2 and he refused over the years to not pay child support. When she was 14, he would always complain to her about things that should only been kept between the two of us like Child Support. She stated to him that he should have to pay child support and a vicious argument ensued. One of the statements he said to her was, “she left me. I shouldn’t have to pay child support.” It’s the craziest thought process that I see men saying like that is not their child as well and they don’t have to provide some support. Support will never be 50/50, but you can still pay something towards their monthly care. My daughter is almost 21 and has been no contact with him since 17.

[@maje5459]

Such a great dad, seeking help to make sure his kids are raised with less money.

[@jellymedina]

He's crying about $400 a month! What a joke!

[@brandiphillips5775]

And this is why I’m leaving as a SAHM before I graduate and get a good paying job. I will not pay my ex child support after he abused me for an entire decade. I wanted to stay married for life but I can’t endure his abuse forever so he is gonna pay me child support!

[@blueseptember2174]

Yes I am a stay at home too scraping by on child support and alimony. Can't work yet because I am the custodial parent of littles. I'll really only be able to work part time until they're in high school. But I was not going to deal with his aggression, cheating, lying, and p@rn addiction.

[@ScorpioFortress95]

So sorry to hear what you had to go through but I am so happy for you that you have a plan, listen to your gut and remember: THIS ISNT YOUR FAULT, he made the choice to abuse, not you. ❤wishing you nothing but the best.

[@ggrace1133]

He isn’t paying YOU, he’s paying to support the kids. I have a friend who was treated poorly for 4 years so when she gets child support she spends it all on herself as payback for his abuse. The kids get none of it for their costs for sports, clothes, etc. The kids wear cheap brands while she indulges herself. They play one sport instead of two. Things like that. I get her anger, but it’s been ten years. The older one is starting to figure it out and it’s causing a rift with the mom. The brokenness just keeps going.

[@brandiphillips5775]

@@ggrace1133 I AM NOT YOUR FRIEND. You're projecting

[@djlivvy46]

​@@ggrace1133- you think that playing one sport is harming them?

[@brennanleyen]

$400 per month? Waaaa poor Johnny. It probably comes down to a formula from the state. That is a stupid call. It’s like me crying about stretch marks from being pregnant every month for the next 15 years lol

[@carmennemura6138]

$400 per month ? And he is complaining? Dude my ex paid $1200 per month for his two kids. Man up and take care of your child, it’s your responsibility. It doesn’t matter how mad you are at the mother, is it NOT your child’s fault you marriage ended up in divorce.

[@arimdu1408]

He has 50% custody

[@beth_bailey]

@@arimdu1408people don’t pay attention…

[@michellepalmer1160]

​@@arimdu1408and.. my friend child medicine cost 500 a month..and she was on assistance..

[@AffectionateSeaOtter]

​@@arimdu1408- And so? Does that exonerate him? Makes one wonder who was paying for his children DURING their Marriage. And if it was him, then why suddenly would he stop supporting them just because their mother /his wife decided to leave him? It's not really about the Child is it now?

[@goodyangie1]

I have an uncle with a similar mindset. Now his adult son won't allow him to see his grandchild. My uncle is currently paying for the emotional burden of having a son that wants nothing to do with him.

[@jen10272001]

I would love to hear her side. He's leaving a lot of details out.

[@michaelrector3536]

Can’t believe I wasted 20 minutes of my life on $400 a month. Guy needs to man up and quit crying. The money is going towards your kid dude.

[@mr.fettesq.7705]

No pal...it's not. It's going towards his wife's pockets. They have 50/50 custody!! There is none...zero reason why his wife deserves any sort of child support at all. She's a grown ass woman who chose to file and separate. She deserves no help from him. That was her choice. 50-50 means they both share the burden of whatever it cost t I raise the child

[@cloudedcolour5329]

50/50 is splitting time, NOT expenses and the moneys not for her its for the cost of raising the child@@mr.fettesq.7705

[@FEVERDREAM889]

@@mr.fettesq.7705 Exactly. They pay for things jointly they need to pay for the kids (insurance, school, doctor's visits, etc), then they pay for what the kids need each in their care (food, daycare, housing, etc). There is no reason she should be getting special money unless it's to pay for insurance that comes directly out of her paycheck, which is not the case here since she's sitting on her ass. This poor guy is a victim of the court system that punishes fathers....and we don't talk about that enough as a society.

[@roylogan51298]

If it was going towards his kids. The mother would send him the same amount

[@LadyGaia1985]

​@@FEVERDREAM889😂😂😂

[@emmarose6590]

Red flag when someone can’t own their part. Yea she left him, but he’s not innocent. The women usually hit their breaking point and leave

[@MoonFoxASMR]

This... imagine trying to reason with this guy on a daily basis about normal things when he's like this about supporting his CHILD over $400.... Good for her for getting out.

[@nancypicchi9224]

I agree, this man is someone who puts those close to him 3 or four rows behind his immediate wants. To have a special needs child is challenging enough. Many couples divorce because one parent is the savior, and the other couldn’t put the family first. Divorce with a special needs child is awful for all involved. World with these kids & their broken families.@@MoonFoxASMR

[@jeanniesabol5410]

How do we know she's spending the money on the child and not on herself. While he should contribute to support his CHILD, she can get off her a** and get a job. Why can't she? Lazy?

[@roylogan51298]

He's got 50/50 custody he has done his part

[@LadyGaia1985]

​@jeanniesabol5410 she has a job 😂 and regardless, that is also his damn child. It is not only her responsibility. People are so entitled. 😂

[@MoonFoxASMR]

Wow what a class act. Pay your child support and get help. I am so glad his wife left.... there is no reasoning with this guy.... imagine living with this behavior day to day....

[@williamjohn8633]

I didn't have sympathy with this caller until i heard that he'd been a victim of a false allegation in court. Anybody who does that (typically the mother) to get leverage in court and more custody time should automatically go to prison and pay a hefty fine. Many lawyers will even encourage false restraining orders against great fathers, which is why family courts are corrupt.

[@JourneyDestination]

Typical, you go girl philosophy. No introspection, no self awareness, all tone deafnesses.

[@vickimerritt2832]

​@@williamjohn8633sorry no, many horrifically brutal and sentenenced and abusive men, still get 50 (sometimes supervised ) custody. We were not told exactly the charges on the sister, and it is clearly shady, as are many things this dude has said.

[@vickimerritt2832]

​Many lawyer will also caution women not to even mention serious abuses of SA on them or their children as there often a bias there too.

[@smileygirl622]

​@@williamjohn8633actually it's pretty typical for both parents to lie in child custody cases that require a judge. That's just fact, very rarely do decent people need a judge to create a custody arrangement for them, they normally sort it out for themselves with a mediator with joint custody as the norm. You are putting out your neck for the worst kind of people. And frankly I'm a little iffy on the "false allegation" story. He never specified what part of the allegation was false after all he says he was proud to get a few punches in, did she lie and say he swung first? Very strange for someone to have proven themselves innocent but to still be so dicey on what they are innocent of. Plus he's crazy inconsistent. That's not a defense of her family as I mentioned the group of people in this position are often the worst of people.

[@rachelelizabeth4619]

I would really like to hear what health issues the son has. If he has a serious disability and needs full time care, the Wife might have the option to have a career, but she may prefer to be with the child to make sure the needs of that child are being met.

[@bluecollardiesel]

But why doesn’t the father get that choice if thats true. Its 50/50 custody.

[@theshunnedBandersnatch]

Later on in the call, he said that she has a "great career." It's not clear if she works or not.

[@imab125]

@@theshunnedBandersnatchFor child support that low and the fact that he boasts of having a great job it’s likely she has a career but probably makes a little less than him (hence the low child support)

[@downbad2874]

@@bluecollardiesel did the father act did the father try to get a hold of the nurse and tell the company hayu gonna have to send the nurse to my house as well. You people act like your dog when you do but you actually have to do the legwork it’s your kid

[@downbad2874]

@@bluecollardiesel also no one stopping him from not working because the kid needs help that’s his choice

[@JAB2010]

Whenever anyone feels the need to announce that they’re Christian, they’re almost always trying to use it as a shield for their awful behavior

[@sitcomchristian6886]

As a Christian, this is often true.

[@juliaorpheus]

@@sitcomchristian6886 😅

[@ILuvThunderclan]

THANK YOU! I was thinking this and was seriously considering saying something. As if their situation is different because of their religion. These are PEOPLE issues.

[@sds6303]

Yup. A lot of narcissistic & toxic people weaponize their religion. They use it to justify their awful behavior and/or use it to cover it up.

[@samanthap.879]

My immediate thought when he whipped out the words “biblical approach” if he were that biblical he wouldn’t have gotten a divorce lol. What a joke.

[@andrea6053]

Take care of your kid. It’s really that simple. Pay what the court tells you to pay unless you’d prefer to be in jail. I’d love to hear the ex wife’s side of the story because the caller is giving 🚩.

[@theydontknowmeson007]

Tell me you're related to his ex wife without telling me.

[@MsDorcelus]

In the conversation he first mentioned that she refuses to work. I later heard him say that she makes a decent income. Which one is it? Does she work or not? 👀

[@kensmith2796]

@Andrea Yes, major red flags. He was laughing about assaulting his father-in-law. He says she's such a bad person, yet he chose to marry this woman and reproduce with her. So that reflects on his decision making as well.

[@andrea6053]

@@kensmith2796 Exactly. He starts the call by saying he’s a Christian man. Well I don’t know many young Christian men who assault the elderly.

[@kaylacunningham1631]

Yep! He’s leaving out so many details & only focusing on how this affects HIS WALLET

[@raindrop5273]

Dude if you think a child only costs 400 a month, you're wrong. She is paying more than 1/2.

[@SnowBall-hz6pu]

Not trying to be argumentative, he stated that they share custody 50/50. He has the child 50 percent...of the time which would accrue him cost of housing, food, child care, necessary items, health care etc..... he pays his half on his own without child support from her. She has 50 percent custody...she needs to pay her own share as well. I agree with the father 100 percent!

[@Feliciations]

@@SnowBall-hz6pu it's a formula. He earns more or he wouldn't have to pay more. It essentially keeps the child at the same income in both houses.

[@bobbob-zc1nx]

​@@Feliciationswhich is evil. Theft! Its not good for the child to see that as long as i can steal, i dint need to face the consequences of my decisions. If she cant afford it, then should give up more custody.

[@catholicfemininity2126]

People take marriage too lightly. To marry someone is not just feelings, it's morals values, and also like a business agreement... you don't wanna give your virginity or life or money to someone who isn't trustworthy or doesn't come from a trustworthy background... you investigate their past, who their family is. Sorry, but I wouldn't marry a guy from a broken home because majority of men in prison come from broken homes.

[@tomw485]

Dude if you listened to the video he has 50% custody. The $400 is extra money he’s paying to his ex wife on top of the money he puts towards his child when he’s in his care.

[@mariaking4950]

I have a feeling that this guy is going to find it hard to be an adult and let go of his anger and frustration but I hope he does and I wish him well.

[@lexie9109]

Child support determined by preset amounts there is a formula that determines it. Not based on state attacking a parent of either gender

[@meggold3422]

There are still plenty of arbitrary rulings by judges when it comes to child custody and payments, and the dads usually come up on the losing end. I'm just glad this dad has joint custody, with only having to pay an additional $400 a month. If he ever returns to court to fight it, though, he might lose what he has.

[@celestialgardens4380]

@@meggold3422fathers usually pay more ( not "losing" ) since many men still out earn women, have better benefits, and still don't do the lion's share of work with cooking, cleaning, doctor's appointments, etc.

[@JayP-kd5rc]

They are supposed to go by the formula, but believe me, they don't always. Often they charge the man much more than what they are supposed to, if going by the formula.

[@downbad2874]

@@meggold3422 every time someone who’s your facts YALL come back with cry baby excuses

[@downbad2874]

@@JayP-kd5rcyes they do your not a victim

[@stephaniecarleton3117]

It sounds like she was worried about covid and their child with medical needs. He said needed to work (meet w client) which she read as risking the health of their child. So they were disagreeing about what was safest for their child, and he's sad about the $. But that was his focus the entire time and she was sick of it/ felt it was endangering their child. Some states the custody default to the mom, so when he shows up making demands...Again he's focusing on the $

[@manifest2203]

You are spot on 👍

[@smileygirl622]

Funny how "provide for his family" was so important during COVID he risked the kids life and their marriage but now suddenly 400 a month is too much of a burden. Where did that provider mentality go? Your own flesh and blood still needs medical care.

[@birsancristina9278]

I don't even wanna think about the life that woman had with this piece of crap. Good for her for leaving him.

[@meggold3422]

She made up a story about his character to try to get him arrested, to the point where the sister served time in prison, but she's still the angel?

[@birsancristina9278]

​@@meggold3422 🙄 it's that what you managed to understand?!?

[@meggold3422]

@@birsancristina9278 Why don't you explain it to me again, in case I misunderstood?

[@ellenahs5911]

@@meggold3422I really doubt she had to actually make anything up

[@meowy4720]

​@@meggold3422If she really had made false accusations and lied and court, then she wouldn't have custody of the child. The guy clearly is lying constantly.

[@petracain6794]

I was expecting to hear wayyy more than 400 bucks wow. I won't lose any sleep over 400 bucks for my kid no matter how vindictive the other person is.

[@mr.fettesq.7705]

Neither would i...as long as I was paying it directly to whatever the bills were. And not to the ex wife for her discretion. Besides, it's 400 on top of the 50-50 custody. So he's sharing responsibility and on top of it is forking over an extra 400 directly to the ex wife for "child support". After she's the one who filed. And did so in a cowardly way. I'd be mad too. Not about supporting my kid, but mad about my money being forced to be given to my ex wife on top of shared even custody. It doesn't make any sense at all.

[@OopThereItIs77777]

@@mr.fettesq.7705what? If she buys shoes with it, she still paid for the bills it’s intended for out of her pocket…it would become a wash.

[@mr.fettesq.7705]

@@OopThereItIs77777 it doesn't matter...it's the notion tgat he has to fork over HIS money for her to use at HER discretion. On top of the 50/50 custody. I'm sure your example is what plenty of women would say. Whether or not that's the truth is the issue.

[@vickimerritt2832]

​@@mr.fettesq.7705 control freal much. Please stay single.

[@georgianaaron4986]

​@@mr.fettesq.7705you actually believe he'll share 50% of the care and responsibility for his kid? Please.

[@amanda-10]

Child support is about ensuring the child's lifestyle is maintained across BOTH homes. You fathered this child it is your responsibility to care for them.

[@1tommyday]

$400 a month? If you dont like it...go back to get an amendment. And prepare that it ends up being more than that the second time when you complain to a judge about $400.

[@mck2021]

That guy sounds like a jerk. If my ex tried to leave with my child, I'd get physical with them as well. And he is so mean hearted, $400 a month?! Get over it. You made a baby. Listening to him and his mean heartedness makes it clear to me why she left him.

[@celestialgardens4380]

and he was willing to risk his family's health, with a child with special needs, by going out during Covid "meeting clients"-something the child's doctor likely discouraged. No wonder she left the guy.

[@sashawiellette984]

It's also his child. The rest I agree with you.

[@ef366]

A judge decreed that the dad should pay CS because the mom would probably most likely be the one kicking her career aside to take care of her special needs son.

[@robynjefferson4779]

And who pays the rest of his support? The wife!

[@mbyrd6713]

There’s a whole lot that he’s not telling. I always take a second look when people diminish their actions and behave the other person is the only one to blame. He started off by saying that the child support was too much and then, we found out it’s only $400 and then, he says it’s not that bad. He says that his ex wife won’t work but then he says she has a great career. He says that his ex wife left because he wanted to keep working with the public during COVID but he’s neglecting the fact that his son had health issues and his ex wife was probably terrified of their son getting sick and possibly dying from COVID. He goes to the ex wife’s house because he was “trying”to spend time with his son. He then gets into a fight with his father in law when he tries to leave with his son? If it was his time to have his son, he could’ve just left and talked to his lawyer about her violating the visitation order. They’re sitting there laughing but I wonder if anyone thought about how terrifying that must have been for his son. He doesn’t care about how much the child support is, he just doesn’t to give her anything because he’s thinking the divorce is all her fault and he did nothing wrong. I would love to hear her side of the story because I can bet she wasn’t the only one telling lies.

[@fabiaby7387]

I agree there is always 2 sides of the story.

[@manifest2203]

You are spot on. There are too many holes in his story.

[@andrea6053]

🚩 🚩

[@1strights]

Yes. He’s quite dishonest. Dangerous too. He didn’t file so it’s not his fault. An immature, dishonest position too many take.

[@gambers20001]

I was just about to post the same thing. Tha being said having a sister in law commit perjury is insane. However, he married into that family.

[@samanthac.349]

He starts off claiming to be a Christian and wants a religious excuse to not pay _child_ support? The first few seconds of this call is telling so much. Wouldn’t be surprised if he goes no contact with his ex-wife and children in time.

[@sandyconneely7040]

Daycare is over 1000 per month . He keeps saying she can’t work but then he says she makes a good living . I don’t understand . 400 dollars that’s food for a month . There is more to this story.

[@ivankrushensky]

He's a liar. Just listen to 2:09 and 7:49 ....one minute she could work but refuses, the next he says she has a good career. He's full of crap.

[@mskimrn9636]

Wow - nothing says a “real Christian man” like a guy who doesn’t want to financially support his child as instructed by the court. Crying over $400.00 a month.

[@lorrainebeightler8265]

I know, like what does being good “Christian “ have to do with your responsibility.

[@lorrainebeightler8265]

Why didn’t he just call the police? He knew what he was dealing with.

[@ShekinaS]

"But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith and is worse than an infidel" that's the only scripture he needs, but sounds like a lukewarm.

[@katemiller7874]

Ya that’s not Christian. Pay you buffoon. Your child’s quality of life is at stake.

[@pussydestroyer87]

When someone tells you they are a good christian, they are about to lie to you or rip you off.

[@aliolivi]

$400? Two children, one with medical requirements, and he's whining about $400?

[@megalodon1726]

It's 50/50 custody. If the $400/month was going from the ex-wife to him while custody is 50/50 she'd be complaining about it.

[@leaannmaldonado9435]

@Megalo Don then he can cry at the inadequacy of $400 per mo

[@michaelmitchel3471]

It's the principle

[@jackobob619]

Guy had to get assaulted by her father for picking up his son and the family got together to lie in court! on top of all this the ex wife has a good job according to him. How in the world does she get a pass on receiving 400 let alone anything? All of those key details went out the window for you?

[@Nonya12608]

⁠If she was awarded support, he makes more. The idea is to provide a similar standard of living at each house. It's about the children, not him, but he's not mature enough to realize that. He's mad because she took control of her happiness, and wants to see his children suffer because it will hurt her.

[@ourhomeiscool]

“It should be 50/50!” Is it 50/50 when it comes to take kids to therapy and doctors? Extra curricular activities? Laundry? Making sure the kid lives in a clean environment? Shopping for clothes and shoes? Making sure they are eating a healthy meal? Taking care of the kid when he is sick? Keeping a good routine? Taking the kid to boring birthday parties and zoos? Saying no, giving boundaries, rewards and consequences? Is it really 50/50?! There a lot of hole in this story and if you make good living you shouldn’t be crying over 400 bucks A MONTH!

[@andrea6053]

Many want 50% custody, but only 5% responsibility.

[@mr.fettesq.7705]

What are you even screeching about woman?? That's a whoooooole lot of assumptions going on that you posted for no reason Instead of being triggered ...perhaps ask why he's having to pay any sort of child support to her at all when custody is 50-50...? You don't make any sense at all

[@deeh5126]

@@mr.fettesq.7705again, you are clearly uneducated in this matter.

[@cpreality672]

Probably owes because child has medical issues and the other parent may pay the expenses or pays health insurance.

[@juliaorpheus]

@@deeh5126ikr?? lolllll🤣

[@d.zyned2thrive584]

I expected him to say $2500/mo by how upset he is.

[@jangrosemartindale8740]

I think it is the false accusations which ended up being disproved in court, HER sister went to jail over it, HER father tried to beat him, come on people, be fair- that’s all he is asking as the 50/50 custodial parent, the guy who had to pay for court representation against LIES.

[@meganelizabethmoon]

So many people in the comments seem to be confusing child support with alimony. The mother isn't getting the money to use for whatever she wants, she is the beneficiary on behalf of her children to help pay for their expenses. Now given that the guy mentioned his kid had health issues, I'm willing to bet that most if not all of that $400 is going towards his health expenses. Let's be real, $400 per month is not going to be enough to cover most kids living expenses between food, clothes, extracurricular expenses, school expenses, health insurance, etc., especially for a kid that has health issues.

[@ggrace1133]

My daughter has 50-50 custody but he pays no child support. My daughter has to cover sports, music lessons, clothes, medical expenses, spending money, transportation, you name it. He feeds them when they’re with him, but he gives them nothing else. She has a small trust that supplements her income and he only works part time (one of the reasons for the divorce) so the court didn’t issue any support from the dad.

[@bryannag3887]

He sounds incredibly bitter. Everything is detailed when he's pointing a finger at her and her family, but vague when it involves him. I don't know how it works in AZ but in UT, he would get credit against child support for providing health insurance for their son (reduced by Mom's 1/2 share of the child's portion of the premium) and may even be able to require her to pay half of all of the childcare costs he incurs while the child is in his care. HOWEVER, if he's refusing to put the child with a family member of hers for free care (or even the ex herself) that's on him. I hope he's in a better headspace now.

[@sarahshanahan2222]

My ex went years without paying any child support and then cried because he couldn't claim them on his taxes. He fought in court demanding a jury and wanted full custody and I pay him child support (which a jury would have cost me 30k which I simply didn't have the funds for that) he said the only way he would drop it is if I agree to no child support. I said you keep your money ill take care of what's important (the children). They lived with me. I paid for everything. I don't understand these guys today. I made a bad choice in partner.. but I always show respect infont of the kids... and I keep the kids out of the drama completely. They are innocent. I just live and learn and bootstraps and stuff. But... I did take him to court over medical costs. That stuff is expensive. Father's who don't want to help support their children are strange to me

[@erismana2105]

Dead beat dads

[@sarahshanahan2222]

@Paul Schwartz he fought in court and demanded a jury trial for full custody. The price if a jury trial was 30k... which I did not have. He said the only way he would drop the jury demand (and not force me to pay 30k) is if I agree to no child support or I agree to give him the kids full time and pay him child support. I said... I'll keep what's important... you keep your money. I eventually went back and asked for assistance with medical costs for the kids

[@gailainsley6939]

They think if they can’t have access to you. Why pay.

[@YASMINOGBU]

Super hero ❤️ You’ve done so well ! Your kids will see all your work one day x

[@Ja50nkAt]

They get thrown in jail if they don't pay, not sure what you're talking about.

[@andreeaameliaganu5876]

No metter who leaves....the child is still his responsability too

[@nirvanaelements]

This video should be a pre requisite to getting married. Top advice, especially the part about when you give the courts the right to decide your future.

[@lynnebucher6537]

I don't understand why he keeps saying she doesn't work, yet says she has a great career and makes good money. Which one is it? And his $400 a month is likely the court balancing financial responsibilities between the two parents. He's just pissed that she divorced him. And he sounds immature.

[@BusArch42]

This is basically the minimum amount that can be ordered. She needs to get a garnishment order. She’s working probably full time and he wants her to work more. He thinks he will owe less if that’s the case but it’s probably not.

[@franziskani]

1:00 he "had to meet" a client. And it was _impossible_ to do that over zoom. Or to keep a distance if that involved showing something. Making machinery work .... Most likely he was cavalier. They had a child that was not healthy, so maybe his wife was afraid he would bring in an infection.

[@jackoh991]

Exactly

[@jaepeace8386]

AS a Single mother raising a child with Autism it is hard. I work my butt of to take care of my son...it is not his fault and this man is not saying the whole story

[@amandamayfilms]

In Canada, the gov gives families more money per kid than this 😢 ....like double...

[@happycamper3561]

My goodness I am a 40 year old woman and even now I know if I needed him my dad would always be generous and willing to help me.

[@blueseptember2174]

Yes, mine too

[@BrittanyHunter-f6w]

Yes! My dad would rather lay down and die than watch me go without what I need, and I’m 34. It’s wild!

[@here2laff397]

HE’S ON HERE CRYING ABOUT $100 A WEEK………………….

[@denfolo5224]

😂😂😂 man, I didn't do the math like that!

[@f1ashyboiyyt547]

For 2 kids and one has disabilities!

[@here2laff397]

@@f1ashyboiyyt547 just pathetic !!

[@rachelvasques1559]

I take care of four toddlers on $100 a month!

[@leahartlee29]

I don't understand that!!

[@cbtam4333]

A lot of these anecdotal stories don’t have the full details for people to even determine what is “fair” in a divorce. To know for sure, you need to know: -Ages of the spouses and children -Length of marriage -Income of each spouse -Estimation of potential income of any spouses not working -Any above normal medical costs if children or disabilities of a spouse -Valuation of marital property, assets, debts -Valuation of non marital property -Type of custody agreed to/ordered by the court -Court ordered/agreed to division of all assets -Any alimony ordered and for how long -The specific rules and policies of the state Most callers aren’t providing this level of detail on a call.

[@jackoh991]

Tbf the call isn't about is the account fair or not. It's irrelevant if fair as that's what he has to pay. That's John's point

[@helenahayes6150]

I have a law degree. In Australia (and I expect its the same in other developed countries), 50/50 relates to decision making and not custody. So you can have 50/50 custody and the child can still live with primarily with the mother. looking after a child with a disability is probably a lot of hard work. Men always resent paying child support. Mine didnt want any visitation rights to his children - I gathered he thought that if he didnt see them that he shouldnt be financially responsible for them. And for 15 years I let him off the hook until it came to the time where that money would make a difference to their future. And then I forced child support for the last couple of years so my kids could go to a good school, and get good grades to do a good course at a good university. That money makes a difference. My older son is now a critical care veterinary surgeon and my younger son is in medical school.

[@Candy004]

Why does he think “all her family members “ are responsible for babysitting his kids?

[@robertshepherd99]

In AZ, there is a child support calculator built into the law. This dad may need to talk to his lawyer about how his child support and hers were calculated. That may help him understand how he has ended up paying her. My guess is that he is paying her because his income is higher than hers right now. Dr. Delony is right - if circumstances change for either of the parents, the Court can order a change in support. For example if the father becomes disabled, the mother may have to assume more responsibility for supporting their son. If the mother goes back to work, she may have to assume more responsibility for child support. I think an attorney could and should explain how the current support arrangement was calculated.

[@donnaallgaier-lamberti3933]

My friend raised her two sons alone. Her husband lost his job in the economic downturn and refused to get "just any job." He felt he was too good for any low paying available job that was not in his field (construction/development). He moved to another state (IL) to get out of paying any support. She worked four part- time jobs and grew her own vegetables, oicked apples and made applesauce etc. to try to feed her sons. Because there was no formal divorce yet (she had no money to pay for a divorce) and no "friend of the court" decree she had no real legal recourse. All she had was the ability to get him arrested for non-payment and she decided not to do that because if he was in jail he would not be available to see his sons or help her out at all. This man was eligible for food stamps in Illinoi but she was not eligible as there was no divorce, no decree. The boys started working early to buy their own clothing, shoes etc. Just not fair.

[@kellharris2491]

Sometimes people deserve to go to jail.

[@chenyitube]

If he is on food stamps, how much money you want from him?

[@jeremygalloway1348]

Sad

[@blueseptember2174]

She could have got a free legal seperation through legal aid. It would've gave her the paper to take to get food stamps.

[@donnaallgaier-lamberti3933]

@@chenyitube He was on food stamps and food assistance in Illinois. She had him bring food when he came to Michigan to visit his son. She thought it was the least he could do.

[@towerdragon4487]

you made a kid you should pay period the kid should not pay for your bad decisions

[@BrunoSilva-lw4gq]

2 Kids, one with medical needs.

[@Doit_becomeit1228]

This is emotional abuse to his kids. My dad was very spiteful to my mom and did not want to contribute, though the courts made him. Still it was barely enough as I had serious medical bills. I recently let him back in my life, but have seen him be negative/malicious and repeat the same things with his ex wife and their son and it has bought out my ptsd. I now have decided to let him go all together. It is something so unforgivable. $400 is NOTHING!!! Especially not in this economy.

[@karenmassey8354]

Imagine having babies by a man who has no interest in actually supporting them.

[@murderofcrows7738]

He’s not only supporting them, he’s raising them 50% of the time. Imagine being a mother with 50% custody and not caring enough about your children to get a job.

[@luminous6969]

Where did he say he has no interest in supporting them? If he didn't want to support them then he would've let her have full custody.

[@gailainsley6939]

@@murderofcrows7738 & who looks after the kids during that time? Do you know how much daycare costs? They are sticking to the arrangement that they clearly already had before the divorce. Sure she can get the job. Will he be the one paying for day care? Or will that come out of her pocket? She must’ve been out of work for a while, what kind of job will she be getting to cover that much? And We know he certainly can’t take them on full time because his working. Court is clearly sticking to whatever arrangement they had beforehand. Do you guys think before commenting? 😂😴

[@murderofcrows7738]

@@gailainsley6939 Tell me you didn’t listen to the video without telling me you didn’t listen. She has a good career where she can make more than he does. They have 50/50 custody so he needs to find care for the boy on his time too.

[@gailainsley6939]

@@murderofcrows7738 Okay you got me. I just finished it 😂 but In the beginning he said she could work but she’s not. Meaning, she most likely left her great career to raise the child. That’s how I took it.

[@KathyStrickland-nh9vx]

The reality is that is his child and his responsibility. Be a man, grow up. I went through a divorce in 78, received $300 a month for 1 child and he paid the mortgage. Caller is getting off easy.

[@brightpage1020]

Dads complaining about child support reveals more about their charcter than they hope to show about the mom's.

[@michaelmitchel3471]

Why

[@inertia86]

​@michaelmitchel3471 it says a lot that you have to ask why

[@beverlypawsat6529]

If I could give this a thousand likes I would. Every single woman needs to know this truth.

[@gregnagy7569]

Swap genders with equal custody and the woman paying child support to her ex husband and there would be society wide outrage....enough of the man bashing.

[@bodhisattva2348]

​@@michaelmitchel3471because they trash

[@NeeNee_B.]

Why do people act like divorce and child support is a not a very real possibility to having babies?? It's 2022, there are preventative measures that can be taken with little to no effort..

[@erismana2105]

Willful ignorance

[@frankirwin5684]

50/50 custody should not be entitled to child support.

[@ruraljuror6585]

People want kids.

[@abelmendoza8444]

Do you have kids ?

[@NeeNee_B.]

@@frankirwin5684 thats your opinion, and anyway, "should've" is not how the world works...