WiiM's Pro Plus DOES IT ALL: Spotify, Tidal, AirPlay 2, Chromecast, Roon & Squeezebox

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[@sunefred]

Just want to give the editor kudos for using "purposeful pauses" in the video to give the viewer a moment to digest. Also the content was awesome as per usual!

[@EmilStream]

First; thanks John for your continuous good quality reviews and videos. Second; sound quality. To anyone considering getting the WiiM Pro Plus and can live without a few features, don't mind two separate boxes (which are actually smaller in footprint) and compares in price, I would strongly suggest buying the WiiM Mini instead and pair it with a Topping E30 II. From a pure sound quality perspective, I find this setup way better than the WiiM Pro Plus, which sounds very thin and flat in comparison. With the WiiM Mini, you will still have the great pleasure to navigate your listening experience with the WiiM Home app. If you want a all-in-one streaming dac, I guess you might be able to play around with the EQ settings as suggested but it will have it's limits. With that said, I don't think one can stress enough how great the WiiM Home app is, especially to this price, and I definitely recommend everyone to try it out. But, in my opinion, do it with a WiiM Mini and external dac. Anyway, I hope this comment finds someone and help you navigate through the audio equipment jungle. Good luck!

[@EmilStream]

One more thing to help navigate; To anyone looking for a cheap amplifier to pair the WiiM Mini + Topping E30 II with, I found Fosi Audio V3 to be a lovely sounding little unit for very good money (but it has a massive power brick)

[@DarkoAudio]

I wish more comments were as insightful as yours. 🚨

[@deadline7610]

Thanks for sharing. Just to add a tweak for sound quality of the wiim mini. If one can swing $69 for an ifi power 2 powering your mini I found an immediate sound improvement :)

[@user-yi3qu9jg8l]

I really appreciate the multiple comparisons! Informative, clear and relevant. Your extra effort is awesome in this review.

[@zephead64]

Very much appreciated this video from you! Excellent job and very informative

[@jessemiranda5836]

Best video comparison.Apreciate your hard work.

[@albertsword2560]

Brilliant video! Intelligent , informative AND hugely entertaining. Thank you! 🐻

[@abdulhalim9650]

Thank you John for your hard work. Appreciate it ! You have simplified what we could not have otherwise done.

[@coddfish]

Love the music recommendations, thank you

[@eliotdeag8040]

Really useful and very thorough set on comparisons, now I just need to book at session to listen to the WiiM Pro plus v Cambridge audio and make a decision! Cheers

[@ThePgkessler]

Thanks for your efforts on this JD!

[@arichison]

Another excellent video! Thanks so much for the comparisons and all your passion.

[@mrsharps]

I loved the excitement in his voice every time a new ‘Side by Side Comparison!’ was announced.

[@ksbav8r]

Just got mine setup last weekend, boy am I content

[@ChadBlanchard23]

Wonderful as always. Thanks!

[@Krell666]

Very thorough and informative video. Appreciate the scoring you've implemented it makes it easier to digest your thoughts. Cheers!

[@rafalszczerbinski]

Darko Great job Thank you, greetings from Poland 👍

[@schoebelski6602]

Many many thanks for this comparison vid. Very helpful. Brings things in perspective. 😊👍👍👍

[@gamesessions]

Love this video - great content and love this amount of comparisons. The ratings really help too - hope to see more like this ❤

[@s.daniel9224]

Yep. Sent my remote back too. Tried everything. But, for the money and customer service, WiiM is killing it. Great info! Thanx!

[@adrianguillermolenzincampo2721]

Awesome work,I’m impressed Darko

[@muchoelpedrohotmail]

Hi Darko, I hope that you already know this: You are truly a music lover and you found a way to share your passion and help us discover so many songs. The fact that you combine it so well with all the limitations of youtube is the proof of your resolve. I like listening to your video with my subwoofer at +6db on my really good speakers just to ear all the production value that you put together. And the aesthetics of hifi gear **chef's kiss** Keep up the passion and the awesome work!

[@ThomasZander]

Nice video, thanks John! FWIW, based on your previous review of the WiiM Pro (non-plus) I had purchased it early this year. The DAC was never an issue for me, as I connect the WiiM directly to digital active speakers via SPDIF. I'm really happy with the device, no regrets yet.

[@kevpage]

I have one and love it, it’s replaced my pi setup running wonky Volumio and I’m happy

[@keesv8000]

Both entertaining AND informative; thank you!

[@carlosportis3843]

Outstanding job!

[@mrsinghsstereos6662]

I used a wiim mini as a dac / pre amp and streamer into my power amp / speakers combo that cost £70k and the wiim did an admirable job . This set up was necessary because my main dac (dCS ) was back at the factory . The wiim UI was also much better than dCS mosaic . The wiim team are to be applauded.

[@6rimR3ap3r]

Recommended the Wiim Mini to a friend for his Denon AVR for Qobuz support and it works ace for him.

[@rajatdogra8856]

Very good/objective comparison. Very helpful thx!

[@rosswarren436]

Thanks for all the comparisons. It really helps flesh out the use case scenarios for this device compared to others, especially knowing it has a better clock circuit and that TI op-amp. And thanks for the albums shown in the video. I always find something new (or old) to listen to. I think I could buy the WiiM Pro Plus and be very happy with it at your 6/10 rating for a long time, then buy a better R2R DAC later on, like a Denafrips Ares 12th or Gustard R26 and call it a day in my system. I have 3 of the WiiM Mini streamer/DACs scattered about my home with external DACs (various versions of the Schiit Modi) and love their user interface and love how responsive the company, Linkplay, have been to customer "wishlists" and fixing bugs. More companies should look into that kind of customer service and device support. It is noticed by consumers.

[@mladenbasic1]

The most useful review of this product by a mile. Well done!

[@TheElPako]

Love side-by-side comparisons!

[@gregh4292]

Thanks John, that was great fun and very informative. Peace etc.

[@ponce538]

I just installed Wiim Pro Plus earlier. Playback is excellent, very easy to connect and configure.

[@telecasternut]

After watching your reviews of the Audiolab 6000a i stream in to it with the wiim mini . Sounds great !

[@virtualmike13]

Thank you for using numerical ranking to distinguish the relative performance between streamers and DACs. It's difficult to express sound differences with language whereas numbers convey performance differences more accurately. Hope you continue to use numerical comparison in future videos too!

[@stephencosta6814]

👏🏼👏🏼🙌👌 let me tell you John you really did a great job on this review all these comparisons. I am so glad I bought the pro plus, thank you for confirming what I thought you are the best. Love you be well stay safe.❤❤❤

[@KITFLETCH1]

Excellent. Side by side is essential. I put my Mojo 2 with Bluesound Node and it sounds so good, so really helpful to know your scoring.

[@turboplopp]

Got it a few weeks back to play with my old Genelec active monitors in the dining room/kitchen. I'm sooper happy with it!

[@grahame1981]

For the money - a fantastic product! Great video ❤

[@thisispw]

Great review much appreciated. Still doing my homework on streamers.

[@nicholasgosling3349]

I've just ordered a wiim pro on the back of this video. I've been using squeezbox basically since it's inception and have many radios, booms and pi devices with hifiberry DACs running my ceiling speakers and hifi. I've also installed some pis in some commercial buildings but I'm hoping the wiim might be the answer to my next streamers outside of Sonos. Great videos. Thanks. Looking forward to having a play with them all.

[@MarcusGlynn]

Same boat. Did it?

[@snznme]

As always, a worthwhile watch- looking forward to seeing how the WiiM amp measures up when it comes out. I won't be surprised if it's the biggest story of the year in budget audio.

[@williamrose7434]

nice one J' ..always articulate

[@sohrabtaee]

I liked the scoring system. Makes the comparison more tangible. Please keep doing it.

[@rosswarren436]

It's a bit of a stretch though don't you think, that a sub $300 streamer/DAC can get a 6/10 compared to a using the same streamer with a $9000 Tambaqui DAC. Maybe if he was going to throw in the Mola Mola as his "10" he would think these others, at most, would garner a 5, not a 6, and that a WiiM + Mojo would rank as high as 7.5, but those are his numbers.

[@sohrabtaee]

The law of diminishing returns in action. You could go from a 2 to a 5 by spending a little bit of money, but going from a 7 to a 9 requires a lot of money.@@rosswarren436

[@dgdave2673]

Awesome John! Fantastic review, guess within the time you had, did a remarkable thing to provide a wonderful comparison of most popular, affordable streamer DACs. Now I came with an intention of seriously looking at a WiimPro plus or a Node, that have been in the cart for a while. But your comparison with the SBT just convinced me to stick to my current setup for few more years. My SBT, though it lost its Wi-Fi, but now hardwired, is still going strong in its 13th year! That SBT needs to be pried of my dead cold hands 😂

[@sportsmachinerr1401]

I bought the WiiM mainly for the PEQ which is fantastic. The sound from my Focal Aria 926's and Marantz PM6007 is now much more to my liking. With a few tweaks the sound is warmer, vocals are easier to follow and, the highs are smoothed out. To me the WiiM PEQ made a much bigger difference to the sound than when I changed my Amplifier to one costing 5x the price!

[@paulkerr9128]

Darko's content is always first rate and this was no exception. I have the Mini and occasionally wonder whether I should upgrade to the Pro or Pro Plus. Darko's detailed review and comparisons here provide all the info I need to answer that question. For my needs, the Mini connected to an external DAC is still all I need ,and spending more money (quite a bit more for the Pro Plus) is only going to get me a bit more functionality that I don't currently need.

[@rosswarren436]

Yeah, mainly Chromecast, right? I like that better clock circuit in the Pro Plus for less jitter, but I wonder if I could really tell a difference playing through the same external DAC. I've got three Mini devices. Best bargain in audio. You can't begin to build a Raspberry Pi for $99 yet here is a full-blown streamer with a great app for that price. Not bad.

[@earlmerrifield9027]

I have been listening to the Wiim pro+ for a few days now. I ended up installing it in the bedroom system. The DAC is so different from the Logitech Touch. Committed now to doing a side-by-side with my living room system of the Touch DAC, the Wiim DAC and the Burr-Brown built into my 20 year old pre-processor.

[@Ads_cft2222]

Very thorough review. Although I was waiting for a transport comparison between the solo and the pro plus which are similar in price and have reviewed in the past.

[@roa5359]

Fantastic, thank you.

[@marksalisbury1132]

thank you!!

[@AEvanseightyone]

Fantastic episode!

[@Martin2002tii]

Thanks for taking the time to include the Squeezebox Touch. I had been wondering how it stacks up against current streaming dacs like the wiim.

[@Emma-Piwakawaka]

Hi Darko, thank you so much for your content. I only got into Hifi earlier this year and have spent a lot of time bargain hunting on our local trading platforms and ended up with a pretty nice setup for not a lot of money. I'm currently running a pair of B&W DM308 powered by a Rotel RA-400. My next goal was to find a good streamer and I had my eyes on a Wiim Pro+. I do however live at the end of the world (New Zealand) and getting my hands on one for a reasonable price (if available at all) is next to impossible. Thanks to your video comparing the Wiim to a few other streamers I learned about the Squeezebox Touch and I got lucky yesterday and found one for cheap on Trademe. And now I'm sitting here all excited waiting for my parcel to arrive. A big thanks to you from a Berliner now living in NZ.

[@tima.478]

"End of the world," I rather think you guys are untouched by all of the worlds crap, lucky bastard! 🤣

[@knivesandfire1]

Nice review, John. I have the WiiM Mini connected via TOSlink to the internal DAC inside my NAD D3045 in my bedroom and have been eyeing the Node X for use with our vintage 00’s-era McIntosh C15 pre / MC202 power amp in the living room. Skipped the Pro due to having the same DAC as the Mini but this new upgraded DAC for the Pro Plus has me interested.

[@jonathanleach3914]

Was given a WiiM Pro plus for Xmas. It’s v good.

[@lukeatkins9137]

Great video

[@m-zurowski]

wow, 10/10 content! I's so glad you did this - now I know that there is no point in going for more expensive streamer if I still will want to use a DAC :)

[@mail4stil]

Nicely done! Side to side comparisons are always very insightful. Truth is, I would expect a comparison to Argon Solo, which sells for approx the same price. Or is it just me?

[@jeremyyeatman1714]

Robert Leiner… nice! First heard his track on Trance Europe Express and been a fan ever since

[@sundeepbhatia9974]

Very entertaining. The Bluesound is more than double the price of the Wim so amazing value.

[@matiaserp]

Happy owner of a WiiM Pro + external DAC, best of both worlds imo.

[@mr_ion]

Which DAC? thx

[@hogwildmotorcycleadventures]

Up until you want to play resolutions higher than 192k. That’s the best you can do with the optical and coax outputs.

[@tangesyukon1569]

cheers for having Death In Vegas in the playlist

[@markscaramuzzi6070]

Absolutely loved your review, extremely detailed. Food for my ears and thanks a million!!🖖 Your final comparison with the external DAC made me think if you're not using the Wiim pro plus's internal DAC why not just use the Wiim Mini or Pro and their toslink output? They're cheaper too. 😉

[@superducker7899]

omg i was just about to pull the trigger on the pro! thanks john

[@Keeper414]

Saw Suede this year in LA. Hadn't seen them since 92' with The Cranberries. Couldn't believe how good they were. Don't miss them if you have the opportunity.

[@themindee]

Input for 10 more thoughts follow up Video. The wiim pro plus get close to an older used bluesound node 2i. I'm wondering what's the better device and for what user/use case. Love your videos/content. Sparked my teen love for good old techno again. Hope will pass that onto my kids !

[@sliedude]

Well done, thanks

[@stevezeidman7224]

You got it all, John. I have the Pro and several minis. They sit on my the Wi-Fi in my house. I use them all with external dacs and use the WiiM app for Tidal and Qobuz. Both services interface with the app very well. I’m able to access all my lists. Occasionally, I’ll use tidal connect but I find the WiiM app seems to take over and the native Tidal app loses control.

[@user-mn5ul9vo9m]

I'm looking to get into a streamer/DAC for my Hi-Fi, this was a useful video - thanks!

[@russellbaker4256]

Great to see the Touch in the review list

[@TheBoomerConsumer]

I too had issues with the remote. You have to have your phone, and remote very close to the pro plus fit it to pair.

[@topandrun126]

What a time we're living in the world is just a crazy place to live.

[@worthingtonmodelrailway8628]

I have both a pro and a mini and use both with an external DAC as wasn’t particularly fond of the internal DAC - I think you answered two questions. No point in upgrading to pro plus if using external DAC. And probably not a lot on the market in terms of streamers that are significantly better quality musicality wise even for significantly more money. Thanks as always for honest review.

[@zach4384]

The ADC is upgraded, which he didn't touch on. The Analog input goes to an ADC.

[@lanx0003]

Thank you for the hard work. In terms of all-in-one device, I think the Wiim Pro Plus is in the sweet spot. Wiim Pro Plus with quality ext. DAC take it up a notch in sound but also the price that could be significant.

[@tinuJ-bd5mo]

Kudos to the hard work, I would have liked to know how it compared to the CXN V2

[@user-ww6so1xj8f]

Thank you once again for your priceless effort towards helping us (auidiofiles). I'm a proud owner of WiiM Mini + Chord Mojo 2 combo, like it very much. In your video I have noticed that the colours of the volume on Mojo 2 are set "blue" on the output (as it has no longer a dedicated line-out mode to switch to) and wanted to ask - in wich manually set colour, that indicates the output V you are using the Chord Mojo 2 as an externall DAC for stereo system?

[@bpalpha]

I plan to get a Wiim pro around this holiday season. As my Denon receiver doesn't have any DAC, I'll need to purchase one. My thoughts are that using an outboard DAC gives me a greater path towards upgrading.

[@dominichall8102]

Nice work here as usual! I'm still making it thru the comments but... When using the Port Plus connected to your Tv, presumably via Toslink, how are you controlling the TV volume? With 2 remotes?

[@davidbullock5756]

Hi Darko, I wanted to thank you for this video. The why is that I was a gnat's testicle away from pulling the trigger on a WiiM Pro Plus, and then saw your video and assessment. I was looking at replacing my trusty old Logitech SqueezeBox Touch. No need. So thank you. But I do have a question. If the WiiM and Touch are a 6/10, is there a 9/10 or even a 10 out there? What would the attributes of this mythos (or mythoi) be? Again, thank you. Also like you, I love CDs, in the 80s and 90s you could buy used vinyl for a few dollars and new for under $20 (now $60 for a new album), that is where CD's are now. And, with a good system, they sound great.

[@misky201]

Hey Darko 👋, I'm wondering what would be the better choice. Wiim Pro Plus or Wiim Pro with budget external DAC like SMSL SU-1 with pair of B&O Beolab 6000 mainly for streaming from Tidal and Spotify? Thanks for any responses :)

[@aj..23]

Hi man, can you suggest any HDMI external inputs to plug in to the Wiim/another streamer? I currently have some horrendous cheap Chinese thing that switches my TV off every now and then, so have been looking at the BN X. I use the TV daily and music is (disappointingly) usually secondary, but really keen to have that eARC functionality. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I’ll be getting a BN X if I don’t find a more elegant solution. Look forward to hearing form you

[@TriAmpHiFi]

"...HDMI external inputs..." ?

[@tuffkid1985]

Hi John ! Did you think that the dac inside the Wiim Pro Plus is better than the one inside the Kef LS50 Wireless 1st gen ? Thanks for your response !

[@D1N02]

I use the wiim pro with an ifi ipower x an smsl m500 mk III dac into a tube preamp to a Sansui 331 receiver. With mission 700 leading edge speakers. It sounds pretty sweet.

[@Seegurke.]

Great Channel! Question: Are there sound differences between the Node X and the WiiM Pro Plus if you bypass the DAC via digital out and only use the streaming function? Does the electronic circuit also play a role here, or is this just the case with the sound of the DAC (the drum you play so often)? If you want to connect the DAC streamer to active boxes (NuZeo11), i assume the best way to go is digital-out and not analog-out / the DAC, as the analog signal would only be converted back when entering the active boxes and therefore we only get lossy data. Is this correct? If this is the case, there would be no benefit in spending 8 times the money of the WiiM Pro Plus for an eversolo dmp-a8 for example. Or am i wrong and there is a sound-difference when using the streaming funktion only of the devices? I would appreciate your opinion about this very much Darko. Thank you!

[@swissgator6312]

I have the exact same question. If you bypass the DAC, who is your winner?

[@darpanbhuyan1909]

​ @swissgator6312 - Not that you asked but I'm running a DMP-A8 as well as an Ifi Zen Stream. Will connect them to my RME ADI-2 DAC FS and try figure if they sound same or different. FYI, the Eversolo DMP-A8 running on its internal DAC is more resolving and refined than the Zen+RME. However, the latter has a more vivid sound with better dynamics.

[@danielcarlsson615]

Nice to hear that they make a better version. I’ve a mini and I never use the dac. I have a topping d50s. Q: does the d50 a better job do you think? And is the Hegel h90 internal dac better than the topping. Thinking of take it down to compare the two. Ty for a great video.

[@mr_ion]

Great review! How about paring these with a TUBE amp (thinking about the Wilsenton types sold on china hifi) + wiim proplus + B&W or Kef Q350? would this combination work well in a small room/office, of ~12sq meters? Overall it would cost around €2000+ and I'm thinking if it would beat my existing KEF LS50 Wireless 2, which I managed to purchase for less and I'm Very satisfied with them. Thinking for a future second setup in my office. Thanks again!

[@russellmoore5739]

I love your videos and your approach. While I agree that Sonos definitely has its limitations, what makes it appealing to me is its ease of use and the ability to put music in multiple areas. I have a main room with a serious HiFi system. My wife nearly never uses that. I have a sonos soundbar with satellites and a sub in my main TV room, 2 other sonos speakers in the house, and 3 pairs of outdoor speakers powered by sonos amps. This system sounds pretty darn good and is easy enough to use that my whole family can use it. This is where sonos wins for me. I haven't yet seen a comprably priced integrated system that both sounds good, is easy to set up and easy to use.

[@tima.478]

That's some great system flexibility right there, my guy...nicely done!

[@ericpolstra2679]

First, thank you so much for all the great information! I have some vintage Philips 22 RH 544 II active speakers that utilize the old DIN connectors. Luckily I also have the DIN-to-RCA connector. I purchased the WIIM Pro after listening to this podcast and would like to add a DAC to it. Would you recommend a Schiit MODI DAC (I am on a budget) or something else for this configuration? Thanks in advance.

[@carminedesanto6746]

I’ve got the OG Wiim pro …and it feeds my DAC just fine . I run Amazon Music HD ..and it’s the best bang for your money .

[@JonizocktSG]

As always, a very informative review enriched with your personal touch, John. The question that now remains is whether to take the Wim Pro Plus or the Mini and add a DAC that costs around 100 Euros. And following on from that, which DAC in this price range delivers the "best" result in terms of sound? Thank you!

[@EgonB325]

This depends first on the functionality you need. The Pro Plus also has a digital input and it supports the Chromecast streaming protocol, which might be useful for casting from some apps. I hesitated, as I wanted to use Chromecast to cast from radio apps. But the Wiim Home app has vTuner (and many more) built in, allowing me to stream all radio channels to the mini. As for DACs, you can probably get the same performance as the Wiim Pro Plus with offerings from Topping, SMSL, ... (check their more recent and cheapest DACs with the I/O you need). However, it is an open question whether you will hear any difference or 'improvement' at all, since the Wiim Pro Plus seems to have an excellent DAC implementation. If you have a DAC or digital in in your receiver or integrated amp and don't need Chromecast, the Mini is fine; otherwise the Wiim Pro Plus seems like a better value proposition.

[@ccytonybp]

Thank you John, the info. is just what I (and many audience, I believe) need, especially like the extra comparison with Wiim+Mojo 2. I bought Mojo2 right after that. The combination really did a great job! It's much more puncher , more layers and clearer than the streaming DAC I have now (Marantz CR612). Also, as you mentioned before, DAC is much more important than the codex. I tried Mojo 2 with both Wiim Mini and a Bluetooth receiver that only half the price of Wiim Mini, and the results are quite similar. I was expected that Lossless Wiim Mini+Mojo2 should win this battle easily, but no!

[@AdiMaco]

Amazing review! I didn't like Mola Mola, what name is this, right? But now you raised my interest in it.

[@ppourrajab]

Hello John, Thanks for your great reviews! have you tried running WiiM Pro Plus with a Power bank (Battery) ? I was wondering if a power bank input (which eliminate the switching power supply) could act as low noise power input and improve the sound.

[@roccocadwallender]

On the audio input page in the app, can it auto sense the optical input like the mini can with the aux in ? I want to connect a tv to it to play through some ceiling speakers. But I want to be able to use it as Spotify streamer too when tv is off. Is this possible. Ceiling speakers are analogue

[@berlinanthropologist]

Hi John, did you compare the streamers sound quality when connected to a proper 1k+ external DAC? Right now using a sotm SMS 200 streamer with a rme adi 2 dac. SQ is great, but am looking for a more versatile streamer in the 500 EUR region.

[@donydingo]

Hi thanks for your awesome videos. I have a Gustard R 26 and the streaming platform is crap! I am thinking of getting a Wiim to use as streamer. Any differences between the mini and pros if only used as streamers? Thanks!!

[@JoseFerreira-zb7wh]

Did you set up the remote with wiim's APP? You have to do that so it pairs with your device. I have mine working fine with my wiim mini.

[@brenwest]

Geat review. Very informative

[@cvrobertogiammanco]

Thank You just the review I needed, I'll go fir Wiim Pro Plus, instead of Bluesound X and save some money. My stereo Hifi, probably will not be that sensible to just one more point 😄😉

[@gg0297]

Hey, John! I've just finished listening to your latest podcast, with the brilliant Peter Comeau and was wondering if you'll review anytime soon his new Quad Revela 1 and Wharfedale Aura bookshelf speakers. Great episode, btw!