Stanford and Cal Heading Back to the Pac 12?

[@lastpme]

Why would Cal and Stanford go back…it isn’t the same PAC 12. Plus if FSU and Clemson are having a hard time to get out of the ACC, how can they get out of it.

[@lorenzohaynes3886]

I would imagine Stanford and Cal would have a considerably less expensive exit, being they don't get paid full shares. I just highly doubt Stanford and Cal would leave to join this new Pac.

[@smileyr]

I think it is easier for cal or Stanford to leave. For one fsu and Clemson have been long time members of the acc or at least longer than both cal or Stanford. Theoretically speaking it would be easier if they wanted to leave because they haven’t been in the conference for that long. As far as motives go I think they would go back because of the logistics of travel so far in the acc

[@marcosmith2501]

Cal and Stanford are locked ACC TV contract thru 2036.

[@SnowmanTF2]

@@smileyr It seems unlikely they got a better exit clause than any other member, they were in an extremely poor position to negotiate with ACC when Pac 12 collapsed as it was clear SEC/B1G/Big12 had little to no interest in them.

[@falconater51]

Travel costs and no tv revenue in the ACC are two pretty big reasons.

[@dudedude949]

Mountain West should merge with the Big Sky. The Mountain Sky. Perfect 😎

[@dreeco1762]

Cal & Stanford is not going back. Because their main target is Big Ten..

[@Sean-C]

Cal and Stanford can join the B1G if they take 0 revenue for 20 years.

[@dreeco1762]

@@Sean-C when ACC goes down, they’ll be the first ones going to B1G with full revenue share 🤷🏾‍♂️ so they are gonna win regardless

[@robertperez4992]

They aren’t going to the B1G either

[@brycelandon3699]

Why would Cal and Stanford want to come back to the PAC-##? They're academic snobs. They wouldn't want to share a league with the likes of CSU, BSU, FSU, and SDSU.

[@Bbbmurr]

I'm 5 ft 7 white guy and my main target is being an NBA Allstar .....but we know both won't happen

[@becks89]

Kurtz has to give it an anti-ACC headline. Comical. Must be getting tired of carrying Yormark’s water.

[@sjenx637]

Ikr, he's delusional and the Mid 12 is Trash

[@texjlh]

San Marcos is also close to San Antonio. When Mark Davis was using the possibility of moving the Raiders to San Antonio to get a better deal out of Las Vegas. The local big shots pitched building the stadium in San Marcos to attract Austin and San Antonio fans.

[@bp2608]

Cal and Stanford want the Big 10 and figure they have a better chance from a diminished ACC instead of a diminished Pac. Plus, they are also now tied to grant of rights.

[@RichardByrd-u2y]

That is not happening either. The are not and never been good enough for the big 10

[@stanfordite1]

That's never happening. Everyone is going back where they came from by the order of Congress. The Big Ten will have 10 teams again.

[@bp2608]

@@RichardByrd-u2y You may be correct, but Calford, like all the other schools, are still trying to reach the highest level they can. They will go "Ivy" when it becomes clear that they won't be invited to the top tier after this all shakes out.

[@Sanjit__T]

Great content

[@spencerhiginbotham7538]

Is there a chance they could take UNLV and Nevada? I know Nevada hasn't been doing super well recently, but it might be worth it just to get UNLV and reach the eight team minimum. I also don't hate the idea of them picking up North Dakota St and South Dakota St.

[@SurfCityBill]

FCS programs would be a better fit for the MW.

[@joechurch7023]

Click bait. CalFord isn't coming back to the P12.

[@Jake-cr3gi]

We shouldn't let them. Zero upside

[@clintlewis1715]

It's not click bait. It's actually a pretty good take. If you actually watched the video, he is literally responding to, in his own words "fan fiction" in regards to Cal and Stanford back to the Pac 12. He gives a dose of reality as to why that will not happen.

[@stanfordite1]

Yes they are. I have a Time Machine and the Pac 10 is back the way it was. Nobody will have a TV deal anymore and some schools are never going to be seen on TV again.

[@SurfCityBill]

Agreed. Stankford and Cal have as much chance of coming back as USC and UCLA. Not happening.

[@sjenx637]

Exactly this is all BS. No way they're going back to a Mtn West 2.0

[@TheFranchiseCA]

They stay in the ACC at least until they see who leaves that conference. They knew going in that some may leave, but it depends on how many do.

[@maccleezy801]

Cal, Stanford, the 4 corners are not going back. This is a dumb debate.

[@birdnoneck9657]

Exactly, there should be no debate about this . Even if cal and Stanford wanted to go back , they wouldn’t be able to get out of the acc . Like others have already mentioned , bigger schools like FSU and Clemson are having a tough time getting out too . Cal and Stanford are better off not returning to the pac 12 .

[@ShawnKilgore]

More likely to go independent once the ACC implodes

[@SurfCityBill]

These guys need to create content so they will reach out to any straws they can find, no matter how unlikely.

[@stanfordite1]

Yes they are.

[@fakereality96]

Money talks, regionality walks.

[@rahmadking4639]

Stupidest shit to happen to college football but it is what it is

[@stanfordite1]

No it doesn't. Tradition talks, money walks.

[@mark_kline]

If I were Oregon State and Wazzu I would say no. Go kick rocks

[@SurfCityBill]

Absolutely agree. S & Cal bring a lot of drama that would be detrimental to the conference.

[@justincleary5249]

If nothing else pans out, they will at least take the next 2 best mountain west before deadlines next summer to avoid collapse.

[@MrJara1018]

lol guess Washington State and Oregon State aren’t coming to Big 12…… ever

[@shauncollins3893]

SJSU doesn't get a nod considering the Bay Area market? Athletics as a whole, outside Bball, have been highly ranked in the MW as of late...with baseball, volleyball, swim/dive, waterpolo, football and soccer competing for conferences titles, albeit not all in the MW

[@bp2608]

SJSU has near zero fan interest or support. Does not matter if they are in a big market or that their teams win if their football team gets 4,000 people and basketball not even 400 and no TV viewership to speak of. Hard to think of a similar situation, note even Georgia State in Atlanta is as dire. Think Cleveland State or Chicago State in terms of fan interest in a big city.

[@mateosworld3893]

Rice, Tulsa,Tulane, Memphis, UTSA, TX St. for a central region + all of their other teams for a west region = group of 5 playoff bid and conference survival with solid markets and recruiting territories

[@AdmiralLando]

As a Cal alum and big college football fan I can tell you that talking about this at all is a huge waste of time. Never going to happen.

[@ShawnKilgore]

If the ACC implodes they may not have any option. BIG12 didn't want them, the BIG10 didn't want them.

[@tarheel7406]

@@ShawnKilgore If the ACC implodes, the BIG12 will be imploding even more. Hard to predict under that scenario.

[@Cooe.]

If the ACC successfully gets blown up by FSU and Clemson this is arguably the most likely outcome for the California schools. 🤷

[@SurfCityBill]

Of course not. Neither school would have any interest in a conference focused on sports excellence. It's all about academics.

[@Cooe.]

@@SurfCityBill While definitely partly true (Stanford & Cal's conference membership criteria are about 70% athletics/30% academics), this assumes the ACC as is actually manages to stay together, which while the most likely outcome (at least in the short-medium term) is FAR from guaranteed! 🤷 If Clemson & FSU are successfully able to blow the whole thing up, Standard & Cal wouldn't stay in whatever athletically absolutely GOD AWFUL rump ACC would be left over simply "because of the academics!". The MASSIVE travel problems inherent with being west coast teams in the ACC would IMMEDIATELY stop being worth it at that point and they'd most likely try to return to the new look Pac-12, academics be damned. 🤷

[@exfamily5385]

Cal and Stanford need to go back to FCS because they both suck....

[@MichaelSmith-xb5cp]

Auburn fan?

[@Cahluvca]

​@MichaelSmith-xb5cp 😂

[@warrennelson4286]

If that’s true how bad is Auburn?

[@stanfordite1]

No they don't. The FCS should not exist.

[@markvargus6519]

Cal would not return to a diminished Pac12 that only contains Washington State and Oregon State from the original Pac12. Cal has always been one of the more militant members when it comes to requiring that the schools in the conference be true universities that are known for academic excellence as well as sports prowess. That was a factor in their moving to the ACC rather than trying to fit into the Big12. The ACC was a far better fit academically, and at least was closer to the image that Cal has always wanted to emphasize.

[@allenm1302]

Oregon State, Oregon, Washington State, Arizona State, Arizona and Utah as well as UOC are not academic powerhouses LOL. Anyone can get into those schools and all but OU (98th ) are not even ranked in the top 100 schools according to US World News. Yet Stanford and CAL were in the same conference with them. LOL you don't know what you are talking about just repeating what you hear.

[@markvargus6519]

@@allenm1302 Oregon, Oregon State and Washington State all joined before the push to keep the conference academic reputation high began. They joined back when it was just the Pacific West conference and was basically the only conference available to the schools. The two arizona schools had to fight very hard to be admitted due to their poor academic reputation, it was only after a lot of negotiation that they were added. Utah was somewhat forced on the conference as they financially needed to get to 12 schools. Trust me, UW, UCLA, Cal, USC and Stanford all resented some of the additions due to academic standing.

[@prman9984]

@@markvargus6519 USC voted for the Arizonas.

[@SurfCityBill]

I agree with you except the point of Cal insisting on "sports prowess". Cal has no sports prowess.

[@stanfordite1]

Yes they are.

[@TubeMikee]

Why would Cal and Stanford leave a Power 4 conference to go to PAC-12?

[@msjackson509]

Stanford's golf teams are more lauded than its football teams.

[@seanevans9329]

UNLV, UTSA, Rice, Tulane , Tulsa, Memphis should be on top of the list... With consideration for Nevada, North Texas, Texas St, in the future...

[@ReisterJP]

nUTSAck needs to learn how to beat teams over .500

[@chitowntiger1]

Yeah this is tough for me. I went to Memphis. I lived in Las Vegas (Rancho Alta Mira, Stonegate, Anthem, Mountain's Edge). Both my son's went to Nevada. Help!

[@marcbenjamin9436]

Cal and Stanford will never play in a conference with Fresno State. They are snobs.

[@mark_kline]

Good keep them out. We need schools that take competing serious

[@dudedude949]

As a Fresno State graduate, is this the cold hard truth!

[@blazzedbunny3243]

Cal and Stanford would associate with Fresno St 1000x before Boise.

[@prman9984]

1000x0 is 0. Fresno is less than 2.5 hours from Stanford and they haven't played for almost 100 years.

[@warrennelson4286]

Somewhat true based on cumulative SAT scores 😊

[@vistatiger7493]

Not happening. They aren't leaving their new found exposure on ESPN and The ACC network in all sports. Something they never had in The PAC and would not get in the new PAC.

[@markvargus6519]

The all sports factor is also being missed by many. Cal and Stanford both participate in quite a few non-revenue sports and that was definitely a factor in them trying to join the ACC as that conference is known for supporting more than just football and basketball. The only other remaining top conference that plays many sports is the Big10, but their top non-revenue sports include Ice Hockey and Wrestling, which were not sports that either Cal or Stanford had as a scholarship sport. (both schools did have club teams that played, but that is at a much lower level than would be required to compete at a conference level.)

[@sjenx637]

The ACC loves Cal!

[@stanfordite1]

Yes it is happening.

[@kuhwks]

The academics for CalFord will keep them from leaving the ACC. The dollars don't matter. The ability to carouse with academic elite universities matters.

[@tc699]

The only way they leave the ACC is to go to the BIG 10. I'm sceptical that the BIG 10 wants Cal. I'd think they'd rather get Stanford & Notre Dame as a package deal.

[@SurfCityBill]

Right. They should join the Ivy League where they can discuss fox hunting and astro-physics.

[@minipicc95]

Yes they should since those teams are only meant to be in conferences in the west coast!!! Maybe James Madison Dukes and the Tulane Green Waves might join the ACC since they are in East Coast!!!

[@deliverydoctor]

This is really a click bait. 1. It was not secret when Calford joined the ACC, the battles with the ACC vs Clemson and FSU were already happening. 2. They (Calford) are already locked into the GoR and neither Clemson nor FSU have gotten anywhere with their lawsuits. 3. Even without Clemson and FSU, the ACC will still be a lot better than the current 6-PAC. 4. Calford had a chance to stay with OSU and WSU and chose not to. 5. Calford do not align academically with the new added schools of the 6-PAC.

[@SurfCityBill]

Absolutely correct. The whole vid is as ridiculous as putting one out talking about the possibility of USC and UCLA coming back. Ridiculous.

[@Oski_21]

Media absolutely hates seeing Cal in a power conference. There is no logical reason why Cal (and stanfurd) would leave a power 4 conference for a group of 5/6 conference. Not going to happen.

[@afeeney11]

They will not rejoin the pac. For what? 1.5M per school contract?

[@2528drevas]

Only if and when the ACC disintegrates. Why bail on a Power 4 conference to join a Group of 6 one?

[@robserrano8971]

SACRAMENTO STATE, NORTH DAKOTA STATE, SOUTH DAKOTA STATE, TEXAS STATE, RICE, UTSA, UNM AND EWU AT 12-15 MILLION A YEAR.

[@robserrano8971]

L8R ADD MEMPHIS, TULANE, NORTH DAKOTA, SOUTH DAKOTA, MONTANA, AND MONTANA STATE. THE NEW PACXX AKA PAC-20. PACXX AKA PAC20 EAST OR GREAT PLAINS DIVISION NORTH DAKOTA NORTH DAKOTA STATE SOUTH DAKOTA SOUTH DAKOTA STATE MEMPHIS TULANE RICE TEXAS STATE UTSA NEW MEXICO WEST OR PACIFIC DIVISION WASHINGTON STATE EASTERN WASHINGTON MONTANA MONTANA STATE BOISE STATE COLORADO STATE SACRAMENTO STATE FRESNO STATE SAN DIEGO STATE

[@markraymond7667]

Cal and Stanford will more likely end up in the Big 12 if the ACC blows up. Stanford's best hope is to get in to the B1G as a pair with Notre Dame.

[@timmeyer9191]

I won't say never, but I don't think Stanford and Cal will go as the ACC GOR has proven so ironclad so far (ie FSU and Clemson). Second, these two Bay schools made such a fuss about not wanting to be associated with Big 12 schools, it seems odd they'd eat crow and ask to join a conference with state schools from the Mountain West. Also, the new Pac 6 might not want either of them after those Bay schools condemned the academics of these state schools so badly. Rural resentment is just as real as San Francisco snobbery.

[@nickfra]

Not even in my cfb25 dynasty could I justify this move

[@happiness9752]

There's no way cal and Standford would want to be in that conference

[@Sean-C]

they would once the ACC is gone

[@falconater51]

They're making no tv money in the ACC, and students and boosters are already complaining about traveling. Rumor is they're at least interested in listening to the offer.

[@tarheel7406]

@@Sean-C Why would the ACC be gone?

[@MercerKnowsBall]

@@Sean-C Well when NEVER COMES I guess the g6 PAC can expect to be a little less irrelevant

[@SurfCityBill]

And vice versa. The Pac does not need the drama these cry babies bring.

[@Mancan76]

Cal and Stanford should NOT enter this conference

[@SurfCityBill]

And the conference should not ever consider them joining.

[@sjenx637]

They won't

[@HGRock-w4r]

If I was the Pac 12, I would add UNLV, St. Mary's, Gonzaga, North Dakota State, South Dakota State, North Texas and UTSA, also try to make a pitch to Cal, Standford, Cal, Utah, and or BYU.

[@bubbasizemore4556]

Long live the PAC 12 😀

[@billscott356]

Or...as we've been calling them here....the Tupac.

[@DerekEvans1013]

The 6Pac currently

[@troyj.martin]

What the Pac-12 should do, as they wait for the ACC to implode, is build a conference that will tempt Cal & Stanford to return.

[@SurfCityBill]

No thanks. You don't ever try to date a girl you broke up with.

[@tarheel7406]

The BIG12 has already imploded. Try to get all of the former PAC outside of the B1G to return, as I suspect returns are mutually dependent.

[@JRFrancisco20088]

It's almost disrespectful to the old Pac 12 to call a collection of rejects by the same name. Pac 12 is gone, move on.

[@GymRat4Life01]

The Mtn West contract is worth roughly $5M a yr. There was a reason WSU & Oreg St didn't offers to join anywhere is that networks had no interest in them. How much money do you think this new PAC12 TV deal could really be worth.

[@SurfCityBill]

$5,000,001

[@JackFrost--5]

why start ridiculous rumors? no, just mountain west teams nobody cares about

[@SurfCityBill]

Go write more poems.

[@CreightonRabs]

Why would Cal-Ford want to get back into a watered down PACifist 12? I get that the ACC isn't ideal, but you have more like-minded academic schools in the ACC (Duke, UNC-Chapel Hill, UVA, Va Tech, Ga Tech, BC, Pitt, SMU, among others) compared to MWC-Lite.

[@ganjean4209]

Because it is across country and the media value once FSU and Clemson bolt along with UNC and Virginia. Is it worth cross country travel and expense to play the remaining ACC dead weight?

[@IknowthatBrent]

1. Calford will likely be paying out more like $10+ in travel expenses a year right now to lose in the ACC. 2. ESPN has an opt out coming up. 3. If FSU and Clemson leave, the ACC becomes the not-so Big East but more Mid East again.

[@tarheel7406]

@@IknowthatBrent a) Why would ESPN opt out? b) The BIG12 has lost its top 6 (net) and is now ~33% G5 equivalent. c) To where are FSU and CLEMSON going?

[@IknowthatBrent]

@tarheel7406 ESPN is bleeding red. It's performing the worst out of all the Disney acquisitions. So, if Clemson and FSU bounce to the SEC or BigTen like they are trying to do with the current lawsuits, they may want to change up their deal for much less $$$. The ACC really didn't want Calford anyway and it took multiple votes and greasing of palms to get them in anyway.

[@MercerKnowsBall]

@@IknowthatBrent 1) But they make more NOW than they ever have TWICE AS MUCH as they ever made in the PAC 2) Only FOOLS actually think ESPN will Opt Out - ESPN makes MORE off the ACC than ANY OTHER DEAL they have IT GOT THEM A WHOLE NETWORK 3) Even if you were right (you are not) Cal and Stanford DO NOT CARE about any of that - they care about what THEY DO GET in the ACC You have NO IDEA what the FACTS ARE or what MOTIVATES any of the Organizations Involved. It is beyond ridiculous that ANYBODY could still have such a CLUELESS Opinion on the Subject

[@AFNick]

Hopefully, Cal and Stanford rejoin the Pac. A weakened ACC reduces the payout relative to increased travel costs.

[@tarheel7406]

The ACC's deal is already way below market down to the BIG12's Tier 2 level. The payout is unlikely to fall per member.

[@markvargus6519]

Unlikely. Cal and Stanford were two of the schools in the Pac12 that pushed for academic as well as athletic excellence. They also have always been known for all of the non-revenue sports that they participate in. Stanford is regularly one of the top 5 schools in the rankings for the "Presidents Cup" which goes to the school with the best overall performance in all sports they participate in. This requires that a large number of sports be played. The ACC has schools that participate in many of those lower prestigious sports. The schools that will be joining the Pac12 to fill in the gaps don't.

[@billylocke9633]

@markvargus6519 it’s about money generating sports. That’s football and men’s basketball and football is king. There is no doubt Cali stores are very valuable schools.. just not when it comes to football contracts. Cal/Stanford don’t bring power conferences tv value.

[@DerekEvans1013]

Not gonna happen

[@SurfCityBill]

No, The Pac does not need the drama these prima donna's bring. Let them join the Ivy League.

[@MikeSharpe973]

More likely to take back from Big12 before ACC, if at all possible.

[@PVLTD]

Why would Cal and Stanford want to return to Pac12? All their players already entered frequent flyer programs. By the end of each season, they will earn few free tickets. 😅

[@SurfCityBill]

The schools steal all their miles.

[@Becauseimme]

If cal and Stanford comes back, I see Washington, Orogen and UCLA coming back within 10-15 seasons.

[@SvdSinner]

Cal and Stanford would only return if they had inside knowledge of an imminent collapse of the ACC and they are looking for the first lifeboat that will take them.

[@garyforrest2494]

The road that the PAC12 is headed with the schools they are bringing in couldn't support the number of sports that Cal and Stanford bring to the table. Cal has 28 men's and women's sports and Stanford has 36. Most the schools coming in have 20 or less sports. I'm sure the athletes from Cal and Stanford would prefer to travel across country rather than having to cut their sport.

[@jadebarben8537]

I think they’ll have to add UNLV and Nevada to make 8 teams

[@daveowens9849]

Why isn't Hawaii not considered a PAC expansion candidate?

[@SurfCityBill]

I think Hawaii is a travel issue. And they are years from building a suitable stadium.

[@locman6228]

No

[@allenm1302]

FYI - Stanford doesn't need 35 million a year in tv money. If you didn't know, their endowment generates more income then all the TV money that the SEC or Big10 get each year.

[@IknowthatBrent]

@allenm1302 they should care about their student athletes and the impact of traveling across the country.

[@william_mac]

Give me up your evidence or shut your mouth.

[@IknowthatBrent]

@@william_mac make me tough guy crybaby

[@heetcrusher2880]

Standford get millions from the tax payers as well. Fed government give them a ton of cash more than most schools.

[@halea41]

Universities don’t use endowment money for sports. Thats literally the last thing they’ll use it on. At least for these academic powerhouse schools like Stanford and Berkeley. Their focus is honestly research.

[@grobble8954]

They aren't going back. The reformed P12 still will be less high profile and exposure to their athletes of all sports. Even more importantly, the partial share in ACC will be way more than what will be eventually be 6 Mtn West teams with ORST and Wash ST, which nobody wanted. The current Mtn West deal with ESPN/CBS is for 5 M/yr payout per teams. If they take the top 6 from Mtn West to get to the minimum 8, they aren't getting even 10M/yr per team payout. A half share in the ACC is worth several times more.

[@motec8222]

It wouldn’t be that much more if you include the money they have to spend on travel to those faraway cities.

[@ezp44]

NORTH DAKOTA ST. WOULD BE GREAT!!!

[@oysterdaveh]

Why not San Jose state?

[@IknowthatBrent]

Wait until Cal and Stanford gets those bills for traveling to the Atlantic coast all year. Then let's talk about how money talks.

[@tc699]

Stanford won't care about the travel bills. Politically, the travel bill could be interesting (or not) for Cal.

[@troyj.martin]

Cal & Stanford will pay their way into the Big Ten before they go back to a Pac-12 with Boise & Fresno State in it.

[@scottyking7161]

They making 12 million a year to travel across the country to play people that could care less about them. Let them get used!

[@wingedbuffalo4670]

Get Stanford and Cal back into the Pac 12, and then also merge the remainder of the Mountain West (so as to NOT screw them) and simply re-name the newly merged super conference (which will be large enough to have a Conference Championship / 13th game) the "Pacific West Conference." Win-win for BOTH conferences.

[@poco1174]

Mountain Pacific conference. This would give western athletes a home close to home.

[@JohnnyReno71]

So what will happen to the MWC now? Will new teams join them now or will they disband and join other conferences.

[@motec8222]

They’ll try to add teams from smaller leagues. Then they have to worry about the PAC taking UNLV from them eventually when their contract with the MWC is almost up.

[@Damoor]

I can’t waste my time listening to any possible nonsense. Cal & Stanford are not going back.

[@SurfCityBill]

Completely agree. Maybe he'll do a vid on USC and UCLA coming back, too.

[@Lutefisk_Fettuccini]

The redheaded stepchildren of the now defunct PAC-12, Washington State and Oregon State, are getting new playmates. Isn’t that adorable? I thought initially WSU and OSU would join the Mountain West, but now the purge of the MW begins. With WSU and OSU, and the additions of Fresno State., Boise State., Colorado St., and San Diego St., I think two good additions would be Air Force and San Jose St., but I digress. This new PAC-12 will be nothing like the old version and with the addition of these schools, it doesn’t guarantee WSU in particular any relevance. I think Boise St. will end up being the conference powerhouse.

[@user-uu8wy5xs1t]

Wow..... you really couldn't sound more like a d if you tried. I guess you haven't seen any WSU games not to mention the talent they produce and the QBs that ends up in the NFL. Freckle Dick

[@GratefulImage]

they may because they will vote yes to dissolve the conference now. It's a numbers game now.

[@nnnnnopenoway8418]

I love the idea that people think this has anything to do with academia. The argument of like minded schools died when the Big 12 picked up cinci, UCF and mixed in Utah and Arizona (notice who I didn't mention there.). The ACC is not valuable for Cal and Stanford. The travel alone is going to kill them financially. It's convenient to have every excuse in the book to hate on regionality until you're broke.

[@SayAlotmore]

They say Stanford does not need the money but do there atheletes need to travel so much!

[@tarheel7406]

Academia isn't part of the BIG12's culture or branding. It is elsewhere.

[@MercerKnowsBall]

LMAO So you think things will STAY like they are RIGHT NOW. Utah won't seek Like Minded Schools? Your whole take sows YOU don't have the bandwidth to care about Academia. But I WORK for a College. Believe me it is ALL they think about. As soon as a better Academic Option CALLS the Big 12 loses 1/4 to 1/2 of it's schools. Then the Big 12 gets MORE like-minded schools - DESPERATE schools with no better Options. That is the Big 12 BRAND now.

[@DoyleMurphy-u7e]

What happens if ACC falls apart? They may want Big 10 but does Big 10 wants them. My understanding is that Notre Dame did them a solid to get them (particularly Stanford) in the ACC. Unless Notre Dame joins the Big 10 and does another solid, does the Big 10 want them? May not have a choice. Utah probably stay in Big 12 but if Utah wins the Big 12 a couple or times, they can get Big 10 attention.

[@jeffmorgan9337]

Air Force Would be awesome in Commander in Chief conf-Aac

[@TXM33]

Not if Fresno State, San Diego, and Boise State are in the PAC 12. Those teams are not attract viewers.

[@MercerKnowsBall]

This guy likes to PRETEND he wants to be RESPECTED but then he posts all kinds of THIS. Why don't you tell the Truck Stop the TRUTH? February is coming and it is going to RUIN the Magic Vibes. So will June.

[@CarlaJenkinsTV]

I don't think they return. A lot of people are saying travel costs. The 4 PAC-12 that have joined the Big 10 will have to travel to the Atlantic coast to play Rutgers (Newark), Penn State(Philly) and Maryland (DC metro). That's 3 games or 25% of the 12-week schedule. If the rebuilt PAC doesn't expect USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington back, why should they expect Cal and Stanford back?

[@fakereality96]

I like how everyone (Including John) loved dumping on Cal/Stanford during this last round of conference realignment, but throw up Cal/Stanford the first chance they get when discussing a re-imagined Pac-12.

[@MrTNY-ve5lp]

Is it crazy to consider flipping the entire MWC and folding it to the new PAC?

[@SurfCityBill]

OSU and WSU really didn't want the bottom dwellers of the MW.

[@MrTNY-ve5lp]

@@SurfCityBill true but USU and UNLV seem like solid alternatives but Memphis and Tulane would probably be better

[@SurfCityBill]

@@MrTNY-ve5lp Unfortunately the Pac is going to have to settle for USU and who knows. This takes the wind out of the new Pac's sails.

[@tc699]

It's not like Cal or Stanford needs the money from the ACC or any other conference. We're talking tens of millions of dollars. Those universities have billions at their disposal. The money at issue (difference between ACC money and potential PAC money) is a rounding error on their overall budgets and endowments. Besides their regular funds, Stanford has $36 billion in endowment funds. Cal's endowment funds are small in comparison -- about $7 billion -- but that is still a massive pot of money churning out nice returns. A lof of that money can be used in ways that frees up other money, if necessary, for any purpose. The point is that neither Cal or Stanford needs (what is to them) the chump change involved in sports. They really just want the best platform to have their athletes compete and get their brands out there (and the money is a nice bonus). All things being equal, they'll take the money. At this point, there is nothing equal between the ACC and PAC -- the ACC wins on all metrics, except how annoying the conference travel is for the athletes, coaches and fans.

[@fakereality96]

This along with the UC BoR selecting a new chancellor for Berkeley who's first team all-fundraising, and is aware of the necessity of keeping Cal in the conversation concerning all sports, not just Olympic sports.

[@grobble8954]

Schools that are based on academics don't pillage their endowments to subsidize athletics. Also, Stanford's greatest success is in the non revenue sports,,,women bball, men's & women's' soccer, men's and women's tennis(combined 37 National championships most successful sport), women's volleyball, women's water polo, men's gymnastics, men's & women's swimming and golf, etc..

[@tc699]

@@grobble8954 -- Stanford is not like Harvard or other "academically focused" universities that see sports as a sideshow. Indeed, Stanford University differs from purely academically focused universities, as it places importance on both sports and academics. This approach has been a key part of their branding and student recruitment strategy since at least the 1980s. By targeting top students who excel in both academics and athletics, they set themselves apart from more purely academically-focused institutions. This strategy allows them to attract students who are high achievers both academically and in sports, which other academic-focused schools often struggle to do (or don't even try to do). Stanford recognizes that maintaining a strong all-around sports program is essential for attracting these well-rounded students and is central to their student recruitment strategy. Therefore, I doubt they'd see tapping funds to support their branding as the school for all-around overachievers as being something they wouldn't do. On the other hand, Berkeley faces challenges due to its financial limitations compared to Stanford (whose limitations are not very limiting when compared to all but a handful of public or private universities). While they do not have the same all-around overachiever branding, they strive to keep up with Stanford to the best of their ability. Once again, they have more money than they can use. They could run their sports programs on rounding errors of the funds they have access to. BTW, I am not here to prop up Stanford. I have strong negative feelings towards Stanford for various reasons, but I acknowledge their unique branding position in the higher education marketplace. I'm sure they do too.

[@tc699]

@@grobble8954 - You clearly don't understand Stanford.

[@MercerKnowsBall]

@@grobble8954 Good thing they currently make TWICE what the PAC was ever able to pay and make 3 times what it can pay NOW. Within 5 years the ACC will pay 4 or 5 times what the PAC can pay NOW and MOST of Stanford's Sports are NOT IN the ACC. There is no Underwater Basket-weaving, Cricket, Polo, Beach Volleyball or Surfing the the ACC SO NO TRAVEL.

[@webmoore4353]

P2 is the backup

[@DerekEvans1013]

No lol. Cal and Stanford aren't going to the Mountain West 2.0 lol! Oh, and I'm already the smartest college football fan in my group chat...

[@stevencole7331]

PAC 12 needs a big player that doesn't belong to a conference and that would be Notre Dame . Why would they join the PAC 12 ? If the pac 12 can get a automatic bid than that gets Notre Dame a good opportunity to get a playoff bid even in a down year . For the pac 12 this makes them relevant and bring other quality teams into the league . They would be the Ohio State of the PAC 12 .

[@BamaScorpio69]

Why John? You don't need clickbait titles. You're smart, you know: 1. CalStan has signed the ACC's GOR. 2. Why come back to a conference to make far less money? 3. CalStan are way too snooty to be associated with not like minded universities. Just a tad disappointed with you on this Mr. Kurtz. And no, I didn't watch your video because of the clickbait title.

[@biggunshop9637]

doubt espn is going to renew acc after '25

[@tarheel7406]

Doubt that the ACC would have added CAL+2 without ESPN assurances and approval. ESPN signed with the new BIG12, the worst P4 by far.

[@runedharma22]

ACC for Cal a higher level conference.

[@stephenbird5472]

interesting monologue. Probably would go better if you did some homework before producing.

[@MercerKnowsBall]

Homework. This is a Truck Stop Channel. Magic Vibes and LIES is all his target audience responds to

[@NotChris3356]

I will help you sound smarter in your group chats and really on your channel here. It's BOY-SEE state not BOY-Z state.

[@robertperez4992]

Nope unless there’s no other way

[@lawdawg6]

This is a good time for BYU to get in the PAC!!..I'm not that excited about being in the BIG 12. They can play all or most of the old rivalries...and all of the douche bag programs are gone...They'll be the top dog in conference. BYU doesn't need the BIG 12!!

[@rocciwvizzusi6997]

Cal and Stanford with Boise JC and Fresno the worst CSU in California....No way!!!

[@anthonymcarthur6504]

Great dum and dummer reference

[@BoomGoesTheDynamit]

They should merge w the WAC teams.. hello these are all z3rd tier schools in football

[@JoeCinocca]

That’s the smartest thing they could do. ACC is doomed

[@tarheel7406]

In context, the BIG12 is already dead. 4Cs and CAL+2 back to the new Tier 2 PAC as part of an amicable realignment.

[@mario3804]

North Texas, Cal Poly, UTEP, would be good second tier options.

[@crobcuse4413]

Let’s go Texas State!

[@EyeOfTheWatcher]

I hope so, then ECU can slide into the Sun Belt as long as the price is right.

[@OutlawCommonFolk]

This isn't about academic endowment. These conferences are based on athletics. You elitist wannabes will realize this one day

[@sonofsarek]

Cal and Stanford may go back after they ate their humble pie.

[@gunwrencher1566]

John, wear sunscreen.

[@crobcuse4413]

Not happening.

[@tc699]

Unlikely to happen, but who knows? If there is one thing that is certain about realignment is that whatever we think will never happen today is as likely to happen as not. If you asked anyone three years ago if the PAC would collapse and the BIG 12 and ACC would take pieces of it, would anyone believe it? No. If the ACC collapses, all bets are off.

[@daddio159]

Sorry bud, you cannot make us smarter cfb fans. You’re you’re just regurgitating stuff that’s already out there. Thanks for trying though.

[@billylocke9633]

Neither Cal or Stanford are valuable football brands. The ACC is doomed. They very well may bring back the PAC but it won’t matter.

[@tarheel7406]

If the ACC is doomed, so is every athletic program that doesn't make the final P2 cut.

[@mikekatura6657]

Kurtz is a joke

[@Gringo-Billy]

They are never going back.

[@marcomoon6062]

So clickbait

[@STC987]

He’s good at that.

[@kennycorbett]

Click bait

[@tarheel7406]

I suspect that the ACC would release CAL+2 to the new PAC on friendly terms. I don't think they would move there unless some 4Cs are also returning.

[@dominicschoenheit8093]

I wouldn't be so sure. If they do that for stanford/cal they may set up a legal precedent for fsu and clemson to bail Also I think he's right about the money, 3x the revenue there's no way those schools would do better they're gonna stick it out at least until fsu and the other big boys find a way to escape or till the end of the deal whichever comes first.

[@tarheel7406]

@@dominicschoenheit8093 a) Not really. Any such deal is special for each member's circumstances. b) Again, I don't think CAL+2 would want to return to the PAC without some/all of the 4Cs doing the same.

[@tarheel7406]

@@dominicschoenheit8093 BTW... If the PAC remainders had a do over knowing that USC+3 would leave, what would be their preference? Backfilling with these same schools or how things actually ended?

[@MercerKnowsBall]

@@tarheel7406 Utah would have WAITED for the ACC Invite. Colorado, Stanford, Cal would have done the exact same. Oregon St and Washington State would have JUMPED to the Big 12. Whichever Arizona school got the ACC Invite would have WAITED... the other would have done the same thing they did. The PAC would be officially gone.

[@tarheel7406]

@@MercerKnowsBall UTAH waiting and getting an ACC invite wasn't an option presented. CAL/STANFORD barely got in with ND support. I've read that the ACC only offered UTAH a partial share. Again, If the PAC remainders had a do over knowing that USC+3 would leave, what would be their preference? Backfilling with these same schools or how things actually ended?

[@cesaralvarado-gil1015]

This is not the Pac12. Not even close. Cal’s home includes flagship universities like Washington, Oregon, Utah, etc. Until they come back, Cal isn’t coming back either.