The Truth About BYU’s Schedule

[@spencerhiginbotham7538]

I would love to see BYU vs Notre Dame in the first round in Provo. That would be karma for the way Notre Dame refused to come to Provo after two games in South Bend and made them settle for a game in Las Vegas where Notre Dame got to sell most of the tickets.

[@briancrismonpetersen7885]

Number of touchdowns allowed by KSU and SMU: 0. Yeah Indiana has blown out teams. But BYU is giving their 2s and 3s late game reps. Which just speaks to the level of coaching. The UCF game could have been a completely different score if that was their intent. But they aren’t trying to blow out teams.

[@nathanvandyke9951]

That's a remnant of Lavell Edwards. BYU has never been a time that blows out lower level competition. If you go back and look at their season in the 1980's and 1990's, they scored about 65% of their total points in the first half. Even the 1980 team that averaged almost 44 points a game, they were scoring almost 30 a game by halftime. Lavell's philosophy was simple: respect your opponent. Cignetti (Indiana) is forcing teams to stop him from scoring, but Sitake (BYU) gets a solid lead and then simply plays to close out the game. BYU has been outscored in the 4th quarter several times this season, but has only trailed at halftime once. It doesn't look as impressive in the box score, but it leaves your opponents feeling like they just got mercy-ruled by you.

[@DustinFlaneur]

Simitar for Miami, scoring tons of points, giving up tons of points

[@davidbradham3515]

@@nathanvandyke9951 Unless Lavell had a player close to a record. Then all bets were off

[@merl-bz1bx]

Touchdown, COOGS

[@nathanvandyke9951]

@@davidbradham3515 true. Ty Detmer never sat until he had at least 400 yards in the game.

[@s98247]

BYU is a criminally underrated program and they get no respect

[@ajus5050]

I’m a byu fan and I think that they are incredibly properly rated right now.

[@dakings1214]

You're a terrible fan. ​@@ajus5050

[@joelharris3389]

So, who cares! The team is focused on the next team-up. Winning takes care of everything.

[@nateshepardson]

And that's how we like it 😁

[@alextemus]

@@joelharris3389 you're correct that winning takes care of everything, but this is still important because - the disrespect leaves BYU with no margin of error. If they were ranked 4th and lost a game by 4 points, they might still be in the top 12. If they're ranked 9 and lose, even in overtime, they probably drop out of the CFP conversation. - thet have worse seeding in the playoffs and play better teams. Let's say they win out the season and conference. Are they ranked #4 and play the best team without a bye? Or are they ranked #3 and pay someone generally considered worse? - Being higher rated during the season helps substantially with both TV income and recruiting, which both help the team in future seasons become better. The rankings aren't the most important thing. Sure, but they absolutely do matter.

[@tmtSHD]

It is not just how BYU is treated, it is how the Big12 is treated. ISU and K-State’s recent games did not help the conference either.

[@johnlee7085]

There are virtually zero quality non-con Ws.

[@Zephlux174]

So far on Indiana's schedule none of their opponents have qualified for a bowl game yet.

[@MrEyeist]

BYU is accustomed to the disrespect. This disrespect is great for the rivalry against Utah this Saturday. Before the CFP release, the score would have been BYU 30 Utah 12. After the CFP release, BYU 45 Utah 3.

[@davidbradham3515]

Utah may only score 3 but, there's no way TDS put up 45 against this D

[@seanbrower4701]

​@@davidbradham3515we know how good utahs defense is. But we don't know how good BYUs offense is. They still have another gear they could hit. Also being an adult and saying team down south is really immature. But I wouldn't expect nothing else from a Ute 😂

[@WesternAdvisors]

just be happy with a win...

[@jkrowdy]

This didn’t age well. Coming from a BYU fan lol. BYU got rattled and escaped unscathed lol

[@davidbradham3515]

@@jkrowdy with a little help

[@CarlaJenkinsTV]

BYU is undefeated and has beaten 2 ranked teams. That's stronger than Alabama with 2 losses to (then) unranked Vanderbilt and Tennessee, which was lowered ranked at #11 when they played the Tide. Even LSU with 2 losses to then ranked USC and Texas A & M, has a better resume than Alabama.

[@chuckroutionGB2022]

Indiana will get a reality check in Columbus

[@elijahbecappin2824]

No they don’t be fr now

[@davidbradham3515]

hatit's relative. TDS beat #3Pitt in 1984 in the first game. Pitt went 3-7 and unranked that year. that win over a "top ten" team propelled the TDS into the rankings for beating a mediocre team. Rankings at the time mean nothing

[@TonyBravo1107]

Go Cougs!

[@aBrewster29]

I wouldn’t throw much shade at Indiana. The real issue is that the same old blue bloods get credit for winning no matter who they play, while their losses are excused. The criteria for rating teams is never really set-it’s almost like they evaluate the blue bloods first and then sprinkle in everyone else based on whatever inconsistent rationale they felt applies this year. Just keep winning, BYU!!!

[@nathanvandyke9951]

Agreed. If Indiana had Ohio State's logo, they'd be the undisputed number 1 team in the country.

[@Mike-aka747]

Indiana got the benefit of a last place schedule. Not knowing they would just blow through it. Maybe the league was hoping they could go 5-7 or 6-6 and start building up the program. Maybe next year we see Purdue doing the same thing. It’s NIL that’s Creating this too. Even within our confines look at Houston or Cincy. They improving. And surprising. Not on Indiana level of course but they are course to start building up their programs to be competitive. I think the league views UCF and BYU as already being competitive. Last year 6-6 and 5-7 respectively.

[@jeoffbenzos4959]

These crap schedules are a result of expansion. All the conferences are more diluted now. Before last week there was the possibility of Miami going 12-0 without a ranked win, and not even making the ACC championship. That's a big problem we didn't anticipate before expansion.

[@spiderman4x]

Thinking the same. Miami is gonna go thru the regular season without facing Clemson, Pitt, and SMU. Penn State will only face Ohio St.

[@jeoffbenzos4959]

@ Penn St lost to Ohio state and they’re still a lock for the playoffs. Indiana has been a more impressive team but if they lose to the same Ohio State team then they are likely out of the playoffs. Makes no sense.

[@CCOS1214]

SOS is a crutch for excuses as 2 why they put certain brands in, nothing more nothing less. It's rarely discussed in the NFL

[@WahleeUT]

There's a hard truth that most people don't want to acknowledge: in 1984, BYU was begrudgingly given a national championship by virtue of being ranked #1 at the end of the season (in all four existing polls). They were in the WAC and played (pretty much) no one, but enough ranked teams ahead of them lost, and lost enough, that even the haters couldn't justify ranking anyone #1 ahead of the undefeated Cougars come the end of the season. They're the only non-P5/P4 team to have done it in the modern era (the last one I identified who isn't currently in a P4 conference plus Notre Dame was Army in 1945). Since then, the powers that be in college football have done everything possible to make sure IT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN. NCAA men's basketball loves a Cinderella, but football, no so much. Under a seemingly-fair "we want #1 to play #2 every year" rhetoric, they've spent the last 40 years rigging the system. That meant the Bowl Coalition, which led to the Bowl Alliance, which led to the BCS, which lead to the 4-team playoff, all weighted to reward teams from certain conferences and, while giving the "less than" teams a theoretical chance, not giving them a real one. It's why #6-ranked BYU got shunted to the Cotton Bowl after their 13-1 regular season instead of a Bowl Alliance bid. It's why Utah never had a chance during their amazing run under Urban Meyer in the aughts. It's why Boise State and UCF and lots of other G5 Cinderella teams keep getting left out in the cold. And it's at least part of the reason why BYU has been "underdogs" in pretty much every game this season. And even though BYU is in a G4 conference now and has consistently been at least a good team and sometimes an excellent team for most of those 40 years even while being an independent team (which can't really be said for, say, Notre Dame), the sentiment is still lingering, and the CFP rankings make it obvious. People can't get "who did they play, Bo Diddley Tech?" out of their heads, even if they weren't alive back then, because it's still the prevailing ideology for who's good and who's bad. If you're not a Brand Name, you don't get respect unless forced, and those Brand Name teams will always be given the benefit of the doubt that other teams just don't. Even among the P4 leagues, "Big 10 and SEC are inherently superior to Big 12 and ACC" is so engrained in people's minds that they, probably subconsciously, will still want to rank an Alabama team that lost to Vanderbilt over a BYU team that has lost to no one, and even if they think better of it, it still drops the no-name teams in the rankings. And until we can figure out a non-subjective way to rank teams, it always will. Incidentally, the last time Alabama lost to Vanderbilt was 1984.

[@Chemical18104]

Elephant in the room: The nation can't get the TCU /Michigan game out of their head. Until we take down a Big 10 or SEC power in a bowl game we won't get respect

[@seanbrower4701]

Do you mean TCU/Georgia game bud?

[@davidbradham3515]

After 20 years, Kyle should be given another year, out of respect, If he chooses to return

[@ROADTOTHESHOW19]

I would want to but not want to see BYU join the sec it would be a tough schedule but we could maaaaaybe beat Texas longhorns

[@jtomaha1730]

unfortunately indiana hasn't played a good football team yet. they fixing to get exposed in a couple weeks tho...

[@chrisowen3264]

If byu wins they’re in all you have to do is win out and at worst you’ll be the 4 seed.

[@sarahmccoy1941]

Speaking of crap schedules, look at the schedules of Big XII football teams this season.

[@jeddrichards9601]

Its ok people. Keep the disrespect please. Thats the only way byu keeps on winning!! Also until they win a top tier program they havent proven to be ranked higher than they are

[@seanbrower4701]

Ya but what they are pretty much saying by disrespecting this situation is they will most likely leave a 12-1 BYU team out of the playoffs. Which is disgusting

[@southwestrunner6384]

This aged well… BYUs reality check came at the hands of a 3-6 Kansas team BYUs schedule is weak…

[@ChaseWorldTraining]

The problem is that in 1984 when BYU won the national championship thats when BCS and CFP was created so BYU couldn't win SEC and Big 10 should have their own national champion. I want BUYU to win out and then no one can put them down.

[@Deezylowe785]

Utah's coach cant quit now. Otherwise itll f9rever look like he pulled a Lincoln Riley and ran from the new conference smoke

[@CarlaJenkinsTV]

0:08 John you can't admit that that top 3 Big 10 teams (Oregon, Ohio State and Penn State) are better than the Big 12 but lambast Indiana to prop up BYU. You've proving the point that the Big 10 is stronger overall than the Big 12. It also doesn't help at 2:09 that you mention Buckeye Legion when you admit that Ohio State, his favorite team, is better than anything in the Big 12.

[@glaucidiumgnoma5797]

Oregon and Ohio st maybe but Penn st can’t beat a ranked team.

[@alextemus]

Sure he can. Most people don't have any issue with the top 3 being ranked higher than BYU, but do have a massive issue with Indiana being ranked higher. You're basically saying that you can't say apples are amazing, but another fruit like pears aren't. Sure their both fruit, but Oregon is undefeated with a number 45 strength of schedule, and Indiana is undefeated with the 103rd schedule. Of course those are two different arguments, even though they're in the same conference 😂

[@unclelurk1556]

Oh, I missed some pretty big games this season. So since Indiana has already beaten Oregon, Ohio State and Penn state, shouldn’t they be ranked number 1? Oh, and I guess Oregon isn’t undefeated and Ohio and Penn each have two losses. Good grief! Throw those two out of the CFP rankings would you? You play who you play. All the efforts of comparative wins and losses, “good/bad” wins and losses, and the self fulfilling analysis of strength of schedule are meaningless. Feel sorry for SMU, Pitt, and Washington State, cuz they are currently out. I think what’s more likely is that college athletics is a business, and those in charge of ranking teams have an inherent bias to prop up programs that will generate more viewership (revenue) while under valuing the other programs. The best cure for non blue blood programs is to win games over time and generate more fans. Gonzaga basketball anyone? If you want “fair” then you need a pro style playoff system like the NFL, NBA, etc.

[@johnlee7085]

IU has a crap schedule - until they play tOSU, so making any sort of disrespect claim based on that is nonsense.

[@kevins4254]

Please stop with the "we don't get any respect" nonsense. It's so played out. Same crap Deion moaned about last year. There are still plenty of games left. Quit whining and keep winning.

[@KreeganJones]

BYU gets so much disrespect

[@bryang9601]

BYU & Trump 2024 ❤❤

[@taylor3342]

A perfect fit, supporters of both belong to a cult!

[@MarcKSmith]

You do you. BTW, thanks for throwing in a political comment when no one was looking for one.

[@purplesprigs]

"BYU gets no respect." Sure, except when they were handed a "National Championship" by beating the 3rd place team from the Big 10. That enormous fraud is why we have a playoff.

[@lindacrawford7904]

Right. We have a playoff because of a development in 1984. Got it.

[@claighjensen2356]

As I recall, Oklahoma chose money over playing BYU in the Holiday Bowl. OK could have proven their point by playing and beating BYU for a lesser payout. They had their chance. They chose dollars over the possibility of a national championship. It is not BYU's fault nobody higher ranked than Michigan wanted to go to San Diego for the chance of a national title. Tell me, how many national titles has Oklahoma won since 1984? If they would have played BYU and beaten them, they could have had a threepeat. One could argue that Oklahoma sold out for the dollars. The money made them happy. No need to whine about BYU's success when Michigan showed up.

[@merl-bz1bx]

@@claighjensen2356 money pays the bills and players

[@naujelbr]

You're completely delusional in your comments on the B1G. But what else have you got to hang onto as a Big 12 fan? Nothing. The results will never favor your arguments.

[@justinkiggins3106]

I don't know Nebraska looks tough, they'll probably beat USC.

[@aBrewster29]

I mean, TCU beating Michigan in the CFP is a nice start…

[@unclelurk1556]

In any given year, what does any team/conference have to hang their hats other on than personal bias and the need of college athletics to generate as much revenue as possible? Fans who are “in” love the format, fans who are “out” will remain frustrated. College athletics have never been about “fair” … it’s a bunch of Bo Diddley Tech 😂

[@yellowmartian]

MAGA!

[@messagetous]

BYU is closer to a JuCo than a Contender for the Natty.

[@glaucidiumgnoma5797]

Someone’s team is having a bad season

[@ronr6450]

Ute fan?

[@messagetous]

@@glaucidiumgnoma5797 Meeeeeechigan!!!

[@messagetous]

Meeeeeechigan!!!

[@Odawg021]

makes sense

[@matthewpitts3212]

BYU has accomplished nothing yet. If they can't beat Utah on Saturday with a record of 1-9 over the last 10 years they don't deserve any accolades.

[@jkrowdy]

Well, they almost got ‘em. Utah gave BYU a taste of their own home court medicine. They were rattled. There were bad calls all game that affected BYU but we got bailed out on that last defensive holding. Granted they sealed the bill after that.

[@corneliusdansbyjr6165]

Big 12 always crying and complaining 😂

[@Teasquared27]

If indiana plays byu schedule they would be 8-0. In reverse byu would be 6-3 or 5-4 if they played indiana schedule. There is no comparison between the 2. Byu wouldnt be in the top 10 in the sec or b1g I dont understand why this is even a discussion.

[@lindacrawford7904]

That's actually silly.

[@Odawg021]

byu BLEW OUT ksu and beat a suntan on the road and both stopped then from the end zone

[@Teasquared27]

@@Odawg021 both medicore big 12 teams that would finish at the bottom of the sec and b1g So the big 12 has parity but if their top 3 teams would finish at the bottom half of the major conferences why does it matter? Might as well say the ivy league is top to bottom competitive, doesnt mean they are actually any good and should be in the playoff. Honestly if anyone is willing to put actual money on byu against the top 4 teams of the b1g or sec heads up than fine thats respectable. I would never make that bet

[@MarcKSmith]

Then maybe Indiana ought to join the Big 12. That way they'd make the playoffs every year, right?

[@Teasquared27]

@@MarcKSmith no school would ever leave the b1g to go to the big 12.