Johnny vs. Sonic Forces

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SomecallmeJohnny

SomecallmeJohnny

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@staticshock4239
@staticshock4239 7 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: This game had less people working on it than previous boost style games. The director was Sonic Lost World's director (as well as Colors' director) and the people working on the level design were all rookies. The director for Sonic Generations is different from Colors and he had no part of this game as well as the level designers from Sonic Generations. I forgot to mention that the total number of level designers that worked this game were 3. I also forgot that the "rookies" actually never worked on a Sonic game before until this one. I also forgot that the producer of this game was the director of Sonic 06.
@Fanatic_Foremem
@Fanatic_Foremem 7 жыл бұрын
With that line up it's amazing it didn't end up like 06.
@jacobmonks3722
@jacobmonks3722 7 жыл бұрын
I love the 2D level design from Colors. I mean, they definitely put in too much 2D, but the design was very open with multiple pathways and it takes good advamtage of Wisps. I think that design team deserves more credit.
@deathegg9474
@deathegg9474 7 жыл бұрын
They lied. They said the designers of Gen were designers in Forces
@kingkirby1394
@kingkirby1394 7 жыл бұрын
That makes way too much snese...
@IgnatiusBlaze4
@IgnatiusBlaze4 7 жыл бұрын
But I thought it was the creators of generations and colors... what the heck no wonder it's getting bad reviews did they not know what people thought about Lost World.
@TrueCrouton
@TrueCrouton 7 жыл бұрын
"Get some fresh, young people for the Modern stuff" That's exactly what Nintendo did with Odyssey, and look at how amazing that turned out.
@TrueCrouton
@TrueCrouton 7 жыл бұрын
This isn't me being sarcastic by the way, Odyssey is a fantastic game.
@MidnightLucario1
@MidnightLucario1 7 жыл бұрын
The thing is they did for this game, levels were designed by three new people.
@AeroFlash15
@AeroFlash15 7 жыл бұрын
This was apparently the same case for Zelda BotW as well.
@Kuzamer
@Kuzamer 7 жыл бұрын
MidnightLucario1 Those were just three inexperienced level designers that were being ordered around by an incompetent director, though.
@squishyking461
@squishyking461 7 жыл бұрын
Can we for the love of God have a discussion about sonic WITHOUT saying something about mario?
@Caddicarus
@Caddicarus 7 жыл бұрын
Christ, that ending was unscripted? Impressive shit, Johnny. This is how you can tell how much a franchise means to someone - when you can go off on a passionate tangent without a single mistake. Sonic Team better listen to this guy.
@Fredrik_64
@Fredrik_64 7 жыл бұрын
BURRITO BILL It is never to late to watch a Somecallmejohny video though am I right? ;)
@DaBOOMKid
@DaBOOMKid 7 жыл бұрын
Caddicarus I agree because I found out thanks to AntDude that there was new blood for this game but they didn’t do a good job on the level design because the stages were short as far as I can tell (You’ll be seeing A or S ranks a lot) and worst of all they included Classic Sonic and ruined him now that’s going TOO FAR
@kylecampbell565
@kylecampbell565 7 жыл бұрын
Caddicarus what’s with the check mark next to your name
@IronBlaze77
@IronBlaze77 7 жыл бұрын
Kyle Campbell It means he's verified, meaning that it's easy to tell the fake Caddicarus' (because everyone fakes KZbinrs these days), from the real one.
@owencrean1
@owencrean1 7 жыл бұрын
Passionate? To me, all it did was show just how much a nerd John is. Then again we are talking about the same guy who spends so much time on his youtube channels that he doesn't even have a healthy sleep schedule.
@katsudonroscoe5832
@katsudonroscoe5832 7 жыл бұрын
Sonic Team can "Live" with their mistakes, but can never "Learn" from them.
@uberman64
@uberman64 7 жыл бұрын
Indeed. I feel like if the series is gonna get another gameplay refresh. Or to make it sound simpler, leave the boost gameplay, and focus on something new. Sega should hire story writers that has the skills of Ian Flynn, and the level designer skills of... whoever is well known for making good level designs. Add new, talented voice actors. (But obviously keep Mike Pollock. He's too good of an Eggman to leave.) And they can also bring back the custom character, adding more species, selections, ect. I could just go on, but then this comment would be as long as a 11 minute cartoon.
@katsudonroscoe5832
@katsudonroscoe5832 7 жыл бұрын
To me it seem like this game should have been like shadow the hedgehog whereas your character can choose to be good or bad. That would have been better then the game doing it for you. I would like better if they copied what they did in Persona 5, whereas in that game you can name your character and yet would have liked it if you could name your character in this game and all the sonic characters introduced themselves your character because if it were something more like that then the game would be good for first timers. They'll be able to know every Sonic character and not make it seem like there just throwing you in there and telling you we need your help. Another idea would be to have some verity in the gameplay. Like Modern Sonic's gameplay can be adventure style, Classic Sonic can be the same, though don't make every stage have the same look, don't make him feel so heavy and the avatar stages can be generation style which is a good start on how the avatar should experience the level. All 3 characters should have an equal amount of stages. Attention to detail should be more seen through the game like for ex. show that Tails has totally lost it and make Sonic look all banged up to make it look like he has been torcher for mouths. Don't make every stage take control away from the player. Finally, put Blaze in the game because the fact that she isn't in this game means that Sonic generation isn't canon and they're fallowing up with 06. I mean if she was generation then she should be in this. One more thing and this is my opinion of the game, Forces is too much of a tease like you're having so much fun and then the fun gets taken away from you. It's like Sonic Team was too much of a bully to us with this game and boy do I wish I can have a talk with them about this. If there's anything you think they should have added then be my guest.
@uberman64
@uberman64 7 жыл бұрын
I can agree with you with almost a lot of things. For the blaze part, well she does come from a diffrent dimension. But then 06 screwed it up and had her from the future. She has her duties of protecting the sol emeralds. Though if infinite would take those and escape, then she'd have a good reason of being there. And for classic sonic, he wasn't needed at all. Tails should've been the second character instead. Focus more on him redeeming his independence, and not calling sonic to help, and hide like a wimp. The gameplay could be some sort of mix of his two spin off games, sure, not high speed, but can be entertaining. And for the love of god, they should've just kept infinite alive, like a returning villain for the games. Not just fight him 3 times, beat him with my little poney, friendship is magic shit, and him just disappearing.
@katsudonroscoe5832
@katsudonroscoe5832 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, because Infinite was defeated it's like a lot was left out from him. I mean he's a new character, but people would like to learn more about him. I agree classic Sonic shouldn't have been in this game, it's like Sonic Team just wanted to make classic fans take this into action. Though, that right there would have been most brilliant idea for this game. If Eggman were to travel back in time and take the Sol emeralds then Blaze would fit right in. Heck, she can be the second character, that would've been even better because a lot of us would want to experience with her gameplay, though I doubt Sonic Team will do that much. Another thing is that Tails was my fav in Sonic games and would of liked it more if he were to stand up and act a bit heroic besides being a weakling. Forget generations and colors just give us another Sonic Rush game, this would totally be a good concept. Though, one question is should Silver be in this game?
@matthewhyman2208
@matthewhyman2208 7 жыл бұрын
That joke is is perfect
@0ctopusComp1etely
@0ctopusComp1etely 7 жыл бұрын
13:08 Come on, Johnny. This Sonic game wasn't "Rush"ed. It was "Force"d.
@crystalmoviesuk2615
@crystalmoviesuk2615 7 жыл бұрын
0ctopusComp1etely HAH!
@victorolavarria8772
@victorolavarria8772 7 жыл бұрын
Stop.
@itsatentaquil3152
@itsatentaquil3152 7 жыл бұрын
HA!....He's right though.
@Brainulator9
@Brainulator9 7 жыл бұрын
It was actually 4ced.
@dbschools7715
@dbschools7715 7 жыл бұрын
It was fuck"ed
@RadicalSoda
@RadicalSoda 7 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, good old Edgy the Hedgy. Also, that unscripted part at the end definitely needs to happen. Fresh blood would be a blessing at this point.
@starstorm4077
@starstorm4077 7 жыл бұрын
Luis Almanza Fresh blood with experience playing sonic games and know what makes them good....
@Da_ComputerMonster
@Da_ComputerMonster 7 жыл бұрын
RadicalSoda on SomecallmeJohnny? What is this? A CROSSOVER Episode?
@KaiZenAmen
@KaiZenAmen 7 жыл бұрын
AMEN
@tearlach47
@tearlach47 7 жыл бұрын
I paused your video on this to watch this video.
@pyrolakegaming8872
@pyrolakegaming8872 7 жыл бұрын
RadicalSoda oh kewl im subscribed to you
@Roguedotexe
@Roguedotexe 7 жыл бұрын
Johnny being disappointed, sad, and begging Sonic Team to bring in new people instead of being as bitter as he was with 06 makes me unreasonably sad now.
@brendensibo9320
@brendensibo9320 7 жыл бұрын
Dubious Unknown This game brought new people. However, they weren't very skilled. There were only three level designers. These three guys never worked on a Sonic game before.
@hibubgames7667
@hibubgames7667 7 жыл бұрын
William Sibo You're wrong. One of them worked on Lost World. Oh dear.
@jeremyknight9980
@jeremyknight9980 7 жыл бұрын
Hibub Games. But I liked Lost World though. Also wasn't he the same guy from Colors?.
@hibubgames7667
@hibubgames7667 7 жыл бұрын
Jeremy Knight No, someone compared the credits for level designers, no matching names.
@Kuzamer
@Kuzamer 7 жыл бұрын
Jeremy Knight The only one who worked on Colors was the director. But he also worked on Lost World...
@catcocomics1601
@catcocomics1601 7 жыл бұрын
I was very disappointed to see Tails cowering in fear every time a casual enemy showed up. Like wtf, did Sonic Adventure not happen or something? He was such a bad ass in that game.
@bunsmasterbunny
@bunsmasterbunny 7 жыл бұрын
Sega confirmed that Mania happens after Sonic 3. Sonic Adventure makes numerous references to previous games. Classic Sonic in Mania is the Classic Sonic from Forces. This gives off the implication (intentional or otherwise) that the Sonic from the Classic games and the Adventure-Black Knight games is a different Sonic from Sonic Colors-Sonic Forces.
@catcocomics1601
@catcocomics1601 7 жыл бұрын
but then, why is Chaos in the Sonic Forces world?
@TheSkully343
@TheSkully343 7 жыл бұрын
Because SEGA stopped giving a shit about continuity
@solarstrike33
@solarstrike33 7 жыл бұрын
Even Lost World, with angsty Tails he still had some liberty.
@JianAddelle
@JianAddelle 6 жыл бұрын
TheZeldaExperienceWithin this makes no sense, seriously, if mania happened after sonic three, and if it did happen before sonic adventure 1, which is what I’m guessing, doesn’t that mean chaos, shadow, and Zavok don’t exist yet? I get it’s the whole multi dimension thing but then if that was the case Why is sega saying mania happened after sonic three, doesn’t that mean sonic forces happened after sonic 3? why didn’t they use time travel instead of dimensions IT DOESNT MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE! Sonic team, not sega, cause it’s up to sonic team to create the game, doesn’t give a shit about anything anymore, and until iizuka dies, none of this crap will end IMO, they should make Sonic Lost world, mania and forces not canon, it’ll not make much of a difference but atleast it won’t mess with the story, I agree with Johnny in that there should be an adventure like-game, but I don’t think iizuka is not letting that happen cause he doesn’t want to stick on the past (even tho your using classic sonic) It’s because he knows the game won’t be good, at all That’s all I have to say
@DANmovies100
@DANmovies100 7 жыл бұрын
"Welcome to Sonic Team we make games I think!"
@uberman64
@uberman64 7 жыл бұрын
"WHAT THE FUCK IS A SONIC?"
@sonicboy678
@sonicboy678 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, Puyo Puyo.
@Tubular_dude_20y_ago
@Tubular_dude_20y_ago 6 жыл бұрын
No NiGHTS is what we make
@wispy9859
@wispy9859 6 жыл бұрын
I'd refer to it as "interactive 3D CGI products"
@Thunderblock7889
@Thunderblock7889 4 жыл бұрын
Sonic Forces in a nutshell: Fanservice,Fanservice everywhere Ow the Edge Behold my OC, Coldsteel the hedgehog *I AM NOT WEAK*
@masterkarp944
@masterkarp944 7 жыл бұрын
They tortured Sonic by forcing him to play Sonic Boom
@somecallmejoey
@somecallmejoey 7 жыл бұрын
That sounds worse then torture
@WH250398
@WH250398 7 жыл бұрын
Christopher Bittinger I too would be in extreme pain seeing myself with a scarf and extended legs.
@BlueBlaze99
@BlueBlaze99 7 жыл бұрын
Or maybe Superman 64?
@uberman64
@uberman64 6 жыл бұрын
No, they had sonic watch eggman as a stripper/poll dancer. That, is TRUE touture.
@OhCrapI_He
@OhCrapI_He 6 жыл бұрын
But it's opposite day...
@GigiTC
@GigiTC 7 жыл бұрын
The false advertising of fighting Shadow and Chaos is what pisses me off the most
@akdip1924
@akdip1924 7 жыл бұрын
Gigi Is Here Its not false advertising, they never did say that you would fight them.
@cleversmart0303
@cleversmart0303 7 жыл бұрын
"Friends must unite to fight back against legendary villains" Explain this. SEGA did this on purpose.
@akdip1924
@akdip1924 7 жыл бұрын
SPOILERS: They didn't say which villains, you fight against Eggman, Infinite, and metal sonic. They are all legendary, oh yeah you also fought Zavok.
@cleversmart0303
@cleversmart0303 7 жыл бұрын
You said it yourself. They didn't say which villains. Leaving room for interpretation. They knew, we would think of Shadow and Chaos, since both of 'em had entire games focused on them. I don't count Zavok, since he has no backstory whatsoever. And we didn't even know who Infinite was, besides the fact that he's edgier than Shadow, so I don't count him in either. It's a clear marketing move, but misleading as hell.
@QuestionableLogic_
@QuestionableLogic_ 7 жыл бұрын
Some Random Dude Idk, they are fought in the story, just without player input.
@morshuthemerchant5558
@morshuthemerchant5558 7 жыл бұрын
Sega: we will not make an adventure style game because we want to look forward and leave the past behind (looks at classic sonic) Me: *HMMMMM!!!*
@uberman64
@uberman64 7 жыл бұрын
"WHY THE FUCK U LYING? WHY YOU'RE ALWAYS LYING?" .... kill me.
@Harrinsain
@Harrinsain 6 жыл бұрын
*looks at green hill Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
@Kuzamer
@Kuzamer 6 жыл бұрын
@Spark They don't even need to make it an SA3, though. They just should try bringing back the Sonic Gameplay from Adventure and improve it.
@Kuzamer
@Kuzamer 6 жыл бұрын
@Spark But it wouldn't have to be a sequel. It wouldn't even have to be related to the Adventure Game's stories.
@setsers1
@setsers1 6 жыл бұрын
HAAAA
@Grayman2003
@Grayman2003 7 жыл бұрын
Blaze started as from another dimension, then from the future Classic Sonic started out from the past, then from another dimension. Is it Opposite Day?
@PaceBreaker
@PaceBreaker 7 жыл бұрын
My headcanon is that it was supposed to be Blaze but they changed it to Classic because nostalgia sells.
@bunsmasterbunny
@bunsmasterbunny 7 жыл бұрын
Actually no they weren't. The Japanese manual and website for 06 states that Blaze was transported to the future of Sonic's dimension and stays there to help the people fight against Iblis. Her dialogue even suggests that she is the same Blaze because she clearly recognizes Sonic's description and seems to want to get back to Silver during the Wave Ocean level because she feels he's being tricked. Granted they do a 180 on that after that (Feels like it's two different versions of the storyline put together) but that was very much the implication they give off during those scenes. I personally don't understand why people assumed she suddenly had a different backstory when her dialogue clearly suggests that they're one and the same. The fact she doesn't do anything with that aspect afterwards is a product of either poor planning or being an early draft of the intended final storyline, but that was clearly their intention when making those scenes.
@megabuster3940
@megabuster3940 7 жыл бұрын
I don't think SEGA understands how multiverse works.
@HamtaroSonicHedgehog
@HamtaroSonicHedgehog 7 жыл бұрын
They pretty much stated that Blaze being from another dimension is indeed canon as oppose to Sonic 06 stating that she's from the future.
@bunsmasterbunny
@bunsmasterbunny 7 жыл бұрын
It didn't retcon itself though? Having the games' timeline be undone doesn't retcon anything. A retcon is something that's impossible to happen thanks to previous storylines making its existence impossible thus making it non canon to the series timeline. Nothing in 06 is anything like that. A retcon is when Point A has storylines that make the future releases the equivalent of officially endorsed fanfiction, not a storyline that has a time reboot at the end.
@AzureXEyes64
@AzureXEyes64 7 жыл бұрын
Sonic being tortured and having no scars, accusing of Zavok of not having fun? THEY WERE MAKING HIM PLAY BAD SONIC GAMES!
@vaultrant2499
@vaultrant2499 7 жыл бұрын
死後の世界64 SHIGO NO SEKAI 64 Lul
@clip3844
@clip3844 5 жыл бұрын
they were making him play sonic forces
@lilyannetherose
@lilyannetherose 7 жыл бұрын
So when Johnny said "I wasn't just talking about the story," am I the only one who heard the raw disappointment in his voice?
@legendarymarston9174
@legendarymarston9174 7 жыл бұрын
Layla Francesca Rannick Yeah
@hwanniggles187
@hwanniggles187 7 жыл бұрын
Layla Francesca Rannick because it unfortunately was. You have no idea how many times I was frustrated to see an unnecessary boost pad when my boost gauge was full,have a spin dash or drop dash, or have a character that accelerates 0 to 100 real quick. And the amount of times I could've controlled Sonic/OC but the game does it for me
@KidSnivy69
@KidSnivy69 7 жыл бұрын
No you were not
@TheShadowHatter
@TheShadowHatter 7 жыл бұрын
He sounded so defeated, and it really hit home for me.
@creakingskull7008
@creakingskull7008 7 жыл бұрын
it hurts man
@BananaMana69
@BananaMana69 7 жыл бұрын
I've always been a Mario fan but it's just so sad to see this. 20 years ago Sonic was on par with Mario. Now we have Mario Odyssey, a game with thousands of hours and so much care and love poured into it. A genuinely great experience all around. And then this? A budget title thats only 4 hours long? There's no contest. Mario is just in a completely different league now. Sonic deserves better.
@jackeboy6441
@jackeboy6441 7 жыл бұрын
Could not agree more.
@BenPictures1
@BenPictures1 7 жыл бұрын
Devin McLeod I'm a hardcore sonic fan even i admit Mario Odyssey is better.
@Jtmissile
@Jtmissile 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe it’s for the best that they don’t compete, cos I don’t want SEGA to think they can get on Mario’s level with one entry. If pressure gets to them, I can see them rushing another game.
@Silent_Mochi
@Silent_Mochi 6 жыл бұрын
Devin McLeod as overrated as i think odyssey is i can't lie that odyssey had way more things and was better than forces and this is coming from a sonic fan
@burnsquid
@burnsquid 6 жыл бұрын
I hate to say this, I don't think the 3D Sonic games have ever been as good as Mario. I enjoyed them, but they had a ton of flaws and filler content like emerald hunting and mech stages which frustrates me even when they first came out. The problem is Sonic team always seems to have to focus on a gimmick instead of using what works.
@bargrosnintendogames7607
@bargrosnintendogames7607 7 жыл бұрын
Sonic Mania: half the price but two times better
@falconboi9126
@falconboi9126 7 жыл бұрын
no
@bluudevil4483
@bluudevil4483 7 жыл бұрын
FalconBoi OH YES
@Down_Triangle
@Down_Triangle 7 жыл бұрын
*10 times better
@squidkidq7817
@squidkidq7817 7 жыл бұрын
Your profile goes well with this comment
@jeli1207
@jeli1207 7 жыл бұрын
BargrosNintendoGames exactly
@ShadyGabe
@ShadyGabe 5 жыл бұрын
The amount of times Jim Carrey pops up in this video is probably why he was cast as Eggman.
@Gamesmarts194
@Gamesmarts194 5 жыл бұрын
“Sonic Forces doesn’t leave me wanting more, it leaves me asking ‘Where’s the rest of it?’” I really like that line.
@StuffWePlay
@StuffWePlay 6 жыл бұрын
Sonic Forces...you to play Mania instead. Just because I like Forces doesn't mean I don't think it could be a ton better.
@gonk446
@gonk446 6 жыл бұрын
Stuff We Play HAHAHAH
@joaquindiaz3621
@joaquindiaz3621 6 жыл бұрын
Stuff We Play i like forces too ,but yeah mania is better option instead
@devilcraft4281
@devilcraft4281 6 жыл бұрын
(slowly claps)
@CHRIS-X
@CHRIS-X 6 жыл бұрын
Look, a non-cancerous sonic fan who likes forces
@UltraEpicLeader10020
@UltraEpicLeader10020 6 жыл бұрын
Mania Plus*
@1000Master
@1000Master 7 жыл бұрын
I'll just say this: If diehard Sonic fans can make a better Sonic game (Sonic Mania) than his actual creators (Sonic Forces), then you know something's wrong.
@MidcoreGamer
@MidcoreGamer 7 жыл бұрын
Which is why I believe fans and developers of 3D Sonic games could do something too, with fan projects like Utopia, and other things to back up the potential.
@AK46supr
@AK46supr 7 жыл бұрын
Callum Jones-Hoey not a main series game like utopia. Thats to open with no sense of progression
@sonicmastersword8080
@sonicmastersword8080 7 жыл бұрын
To be fair, most of classic Sonic team is gone. So Sonic Mania came as the result of both bringing back classic Sonic and building a new classic Sonic Team.
@David93434
@David93434 7 жыл бұрын
it's really simple actually - sonic team has lost the passion for doing sonic games
@AK46supr
@AK46supr 7 жыл бұрын
David Dias forces was made by new people that never worked on a sonic game. The older people that worked on colors and generations moved up and didn’t work on this. Shame
@LadyLunanova
@LadyLunanova 7 жыл бұрын
A little information that might be useful to some people: Sonic Team was actually split into two teams sometime near the release of the 360 and ps3; Team A and Team B. Team A has been credited for developing Sonic Unleashed(ps3/360), Sonic Generations and Sonic Colors. Team B was the team responsible for Sonic Lost World and now Sonic Forces but it's also speculated that The Secret Rings and The Black Knight were also developed by Team B. The trailers saying "by the team who brought you colors and generations" were definitely misleading as this was a different team from those games, and the people who did work on both forces and the other two aforementioned games were not in the same positions, and had less control over the final product. Wether Team A is working on the next big thing is unknown, but i certainly hope they bring back Team A.
@BeholdMaxine
@BeholdMaxine 7 жыл бұрын
interesting. source?
@LadyLunanova
@LadyLunanova 7 жыл бұрын
MASONTALE over the years this information was revealed in interviews, and by closely watching who is credited for what, who worked on which parts, etc. It's honestly quite interesting to see how sega structures their teams.
@thesatellite54
@thesatellite54 7 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Colors and Generations weren't the same team. In fact, Colors and Lost World share more team members between them, namely the director, Morio Kishimoto (who previously also worked on Secret Rings and Black Knight). He also directed Forces. So basically "from the team that brought you Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations" is misleading on multiple levels.
@LadyLunanova
@LadyLunanova 7 жыл бұрын
The Satellite i was unsure about colors, so i might've mis-placed by which team it was developed, i'm sorry
@thesatellite54
@thesatellite54 7 жыл бұрын
To be fair I don't have a source for this either other than the director's name and some hearsay. Feel like I might've read an article stating Colors and Generations were different teams but I dunno if I could dig it up. But Kishimoto's connections to Forces, Colors, Lost World, Black Knight, and Secret Rings would be one thread at least. All I know is that apparently Colors and Generations both went into development immediately after Unleashed was completed. Though I'm not sure if that's evidence for different teams or same teams, but you gotta admit, Colors and Generations have a very different gameplay feel.
@AStartShow
@AStartShow 7 жыл бұрын
Comparatively, Sonic Adventure and SA2 had complaints of 'being on rails' or 'playing itself', but having played Forces, Sonic team actually created or had the best formula for a 3D Sonic game with the adventure titles. If they polished up the gameplay, added variety that fits the character and the gameplay styles we expect of Sonic, I agree, it's time to visit an adventure style game with the polish and ingenuity of a modern Mario title. Here's hoping!
@CyberBinary
@CyberBinary 7 жыл бұрын
After playing the Adventure games recently, I think they haven’t aged well at all. The controls can be overly sensitive, they can be oddly glitchy, and the side characters’ gameplay was often slow and tedious. I think that it would be cool to see boost gameplay remixed into a Sonic Utopia-esque world.
@bunsmasterbunny
@bunsmasterbunny 7 жыл бұрын
More like people saying they weren't good should realize having flaws doesn't equal bad.
@KaiserMattTygore927
@KaiserMattTygore927 7 жыл бұрын
+A+Start all of this is true.
@NickonPlanetRipple
@NickonPlanetRipple 7 жыл бұрын
This is a mindset I've never understood, that "Oh, we were just dumb children then who hadn't played enough games to know which ones were good or not! And if you go back and play those games now, you'll notice all sorts of problems you were blind to before and see how bad they really are!" It just sounds strange to me. I've gone back and played the adventure games recently, and I swear I just enjoy them more and more each time.
@mjc0961
@mjc0961 7 жыл бұрын
Which adventure gameplay? The town exploring stuff was complete rubbish. Treasure hunting, mech shooting, fishing, and slow Sonic suck. Sonic Adventure 2's over-reliance on auto-playing grind rails ruin the Sonic and Shadow stages of that game. Only Sonic and Tails in Adventure 1 are passable, and even then this isn't really a good thing. They aren't terrible but they aren't good either. A game based around that really needs to be refined before it can work, it shouldn't be made to be exactly like the old games.
@Eantrin
@Eantrin 6 жыл бұрын
Squidward: "I mean, who wants to play the same level over and over again?" Patrick: "Oh boy Green Hill zone!"
@sonicmario64
@sonicmario64 3 жыл бұрын
So? Mario always has to go through the grasslands in every single game he's in. :P
@Squishito
@Squishito 3 жыл бұрын
@@sonicmario64 In the generic New Super Mario Bros. games I guess, sure, but tons of people complain about how safe and samey those are all the time. And they are. Easily the most uninspired Marios. The 3D Marios however (which is what we should be comparing the 3D Sonic games to after all, not the 2D ones) all have new interesting locations, even in their beginnings. Sunshine is on a tropical island, Galaxy is in *space,* Odyssey has you start in wacky Tim Burton land and then go to a dinosaur world by possessing an electrical wire with his talking hat. I'm actually not sure how it could be any more varied honestly. Not like any of this matters anyway, just because another series _apparently_ does a bad thing too, it doesn't make it good. But let's say Mario _did_ always regurgitate the same level. Then Sonic would _still_ suck more for doing it because Sonic has far more distinct levels and locations. Mario's thing is worlds based on basic things classically, like the water level the sky level the lava level the castle etc. The 3D ones of course mix things up a bit. Sonic however has very visually distinct zones, with fun names and unique enemies in each of them. Each zone has it's own distinct music, aesthetic and Eggman boss at the end. They have their own level gimmicks and hazards, it's kind of a staple of the classic series (which they are constantly referencing and aping). Reusing one of those is so much more noticeable then just having another grass level. Sonic just being on grass isn't the problem, it's that Green Hill Zone specifically is constantly in the new ones over and over for some sort of pathetic nostalgia whoring. Mario does the nostalgia thing too sometimes, just never to the extent the Sonic series has been doing it in recent times. Generations, Basically Lost World, Mania and Forces have _all_ started with Green Hill. 3 of those also have Chemical Plant in them as well, 2 of them have it as the second zone. It's just getting ridiculous.
@kirbdabirb5627
@kirbdabirb5627 3 жыл бұрын
@@Squishito JESUS
@AnthonyKusanagi101
@AnthonyKusanagi101 3 жыл бұрын
I play city escape on SA2B and it's unhealthy but I needed rings
@Squishito
@Squishito 3 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyKusanagi101 I've played every level in that game like 300 times so don't feel too bad. It's kind of designed to be replayed. Also City Escape just never gets old.
@marche800
@marche800 7 жыл бұрын
I definitely agree that the Sonic Franchise needs some fresh blood. Get a new team together to work on Modern Sonic, let the Mania team continue working on Classic Sonic and let the current Sonic Team work on something else to give them a break from developing sonic games non stop. Maybe bring back some Neglected franchises to take Sonic's place for a while until Modern Sonic is ready to make a proper comeback.
@focusfireno.1099
@focusfireno.1099 7 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see that, have Sonic Team return to Modern on the 33th anniversary.
@JEK_VaNNNNN
@JEK_VaNNNNN 7 жыл бұрын
Marche800 Billy Hatcher!!!
@KidSnivy69
@KidSnivy69 7 жыл бұрын
I just wish they focus on the fun side of Sonic again
@LeopoldLitchenstein
@LeopoldLitchenstein 7 жыл бұрын
ShiningSilver100 I believe so, from what I've heard they're all new and there was only 3 people who worked on the level design
@Mario9919DX
@Mario9919DX 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I do feel like Sonic Team should let some younger folk take on Modern Sonic. Just look at Mario Odyssey. That was a younger team and it's an amazing game. I'd say Forces isn't bad but not a masterpiece.
@jamaldavis831
@jamaldavis831 7 жыл бұрын
Shadow the Edgehog and knuckles.
@RedDragonForce2
@RedDragonForce2 7 жыл бұрын
Knuckles the Truant. How's that Master Emerald!? Oh wait, it disappeared into the VOID!!!!
@KlexisBlaze
@KlexisBlaze 7 жыл бұрын
Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series!
@namingisdifficult408
@namingisdifficult408 7 жыл бұрын
Nav_Ebon yes
@TheWandererGhost
@TheWandererGhost 7 жыл бұрын
How about replace knuckle with omega
@NeoAya
@NeoAya 7 жыл бұрын
*Edgy the Hedgy
@BalenaProductions
@BalenaProductions 7 жыл бұрын
Always a wonderful review as usual from you bro.
@Dragonbreaker13
@Dragonbreaker13 7 жыл бұрын
Oh hey, what's up... So how's your day? Did Sonic do some more *HOOBA-DOOBA?*
@officialdevynm3761
@officialdevynm3761 7 жыл бұрын
Lets face it johnny typed this comment XD
@APPictures9
@APPictures9 7 жыл бұрын
Would it be great if there was a Sonic Mania style game in 3D like Sonic Adventure?
@SquidwardProfilePic
@SquidwardProfilePic 7 жыл бұрын
Is this the guy that did the sonic zombies
@Dragonbreaker13
@Dragonbreaker13 7 жыл бұрын
Yung Wun yes.
@aortaplatinum
@aortaplatinum 5 жыл бұрын
Shockingly, the IDW series, taking place right after Forces, fixes a lot of plot stuff. Blaze is back and even goes Burning during an arc, the characters are much more like themselves as opposed to, "none of this is good, Vector. That's why it's called war," and there's even a bit of a meta reference having to do with Neo Metal Sonic, to the ending possibly being unfinished. Also, I don't know if it was intentional, but your use of Jim Carrey clips is super fitting.
@paperluigi6132
@paperluigi6132 4 жыл бұрын
Probably the coolest part so far is that they included the Babylon Rogues (seriously SEGA, WHERE'S SONIC RIDERS 4?!).
@Shad809
@Shad809 4 жыл бұрын
AortaPlatinum Yeah the writers are awful with Sonic.
@DarkLink1996.
@DarkLink1996. 4 жыл бұрын
Should we pretest to have the Ian Flynn's team be put in charge of writing the games?
@fullriver1234
@fullriver1234 4 жыл бұрын
@@paperluigi6132 i just bought the first volume recently and you saying the Babylon Rogues are in got me visibly hyped
@ningenslayer6306
@ningenslayer6306 3 жыл бұрын
And for some reason it’s still not canon
@TravisPlushProductions
@TravisPlushProductions 7 жыл бұрын
None of this is good vector that’s why it’s called “sonic forces”
@keero666pkmn
@keero666pkmn 7 жыл бұрын
Lmao Damn. and see it's funny because it's true.
@Dylan-hi1os
@Dylan-hi1os 7 жыл бұрын
It is okay not all bad but okay
@falconboi9126
@falconboi9126 7 жыл бұрын
i love the game though
@cin2110
@cin2110 7 жыл бұрын
Travis Plush Productions fun fact sonic forces had the code name of “Sonic Wars” if you look at sonic forces in taskmanager it says Wars as the game s name
@staypuff6494
@staypuff6494 7 жыл бұрын
+Fleetway “Heaven's Door” Sonic war......is hell
@sparkeste
@sparkeste 7 жыл бұрын
5:57 What?! Wait a minute, you don't fight Chaos? That's so dumb! For fucking sake, he was one of the selling points. God fucking dammit!
@diegomedina9637
@diegomedina9637 7 жыл бұрын
Zona Nula, you don't fight Shadow either and the last Infinite boss fight is a rehash of the Metal Sonic boss fight. For Some reason Zavoc's boss fight is actually pretty good.
@c0mf0rta61ynum6
@c0mf0rta61ynum6 7 жыл бұрын
And most of the bosses are just warm-ups for the final boss. Classic Sonic's phase is the Egg Dragoon battle in Green Hill, the Avatar's part is kind of based off Zavok's fight, and the final phase is Infinite/Metal Sonic. And it's also ANOTHER copy/paste of the Colors final boss.
@anthonyalston3407
@anthonyalston3407 7 жыл бұрын
Sega seems like the type of douchebags to put a chaos episode as dlc or some shit like that
@carlbloke8797
@carlbloke8797 7 жыл бұрын
Matthew Rubenstein I agree
@BonitoJoe111
@BonitoJoe111 7 жыл бұрын
"Nope, sorry Johnny. but we want to move forward with the Sonic franchise. We aren't looking to go back just to please a small group of fans that liked heavily flawed games like SA/2. Enjoy more of your Green hill. Deal wit it." -Sonic Team
@MG_Spy
@MG_Spy 7 жыл бұрын
'06 was 11 years ago, and they've more than made up for it with Unleashed (daytime), Colors, and Generations. Forces was mediocre at worst and decent at best, yet people are acting like it'll kill the franchise.
@alexpindell4307
@alexpindell4307 7 жыл бұрын
And also give us more opan space No more boast to win
@MG_Spy
@MG_Spy 7 жыл бұрын
Alex Pindell I think I understood most of your comment, but it's kinda hard to comprehend. Can you possibly be more clear with your comment?
@MG_Spy
@MG_Spy 7 жыл бұрын
★ Froggie Animation ★ ok so you're gonna ignore the original trilogy, Sonic Adventure 1 & 2, and Sonic Mania? Also Boom was made by a third party developer with a gameplay style that really wasn't Sonic.
@MG_Spy
@MG_Spy 7 жыл бұрын
★ Froggie Animation ★ I'd argue that Sonic Lost World is pretty decent, certainly not bad. Sonic CD is pretty damn good as well. Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic '06 were rolling dumpster fires, I'll admit that. And yes I don't include Sonic Boom as part of the franchise because of the reasons I listed. It's like saying Sonic Shuffle is a main series game even though the gameplay is so different.
@RiotRandy
@RiotRandy 6 жыл бұрын
Hate how the Sonic Twitter page hyped this game up so much and it's just average...
@ev3rst0rm-g1g
@ev3rst0rm-g1g 6 жыл бұрын
riotrandy678 credit to the twitter page..... it shows how good Aaron Webber is at his job.
@jakfrost574
@jakfrost574 6 жыл бұрын
EV3R ST0RM That honestly worries me. Sh*t like these honestly makes me wonder what they were thinking when advertising this game. Did they feel bad for straight up lying to their fans or did they not care at all about them and only cared about the money they were gonna get? And that makes me think, is Arron Webber playing an act, pretending to care, or does he himself feel terrible for what he has done? I hope it’s the latter because Webber seems to nice to be a money grubbing asshole.
@ev3rst0rm-g1g
@ev3rst0rm-g1g 6 жыл бұрын
Jackeboy maybe no one over in Japan cares anymore, but I really believe Aaron does.
@jakfrost574
@jakfrost574 6 жыл бұрын
EV3R ST0RM ok A: WOW I was not expecting a reply that quick and B: I do believe that too. It’s just sometimes you need to stop and think about these kinds of things. But yeah, Aaron’s too much of a cinnamon roll to not feel bad about it.
@ev3rst0rm-g1g
@ev3rst0rm-g1g 6 жыл бұрын
Jackeboy I do think about it. And I still believe Aaron cares. He is a reason I believe sega America should be in charge of sonic rather than sega japan.
@bocodamondo
@bocodamondo 7 жыл бұрын
my biggest problem with the game is the absurdly short levels, its as johnny said, just when you finally start to enjoy yourself, the stage ends..... they also removed the drift, one of my favorite things from sonic generations....now turning tight corners is automatic, which is as insulting as it can get. "edit: personally i think the perfect lenght for a sonic stage is between 3 to 4 minutes, above 4 it starts to wear out its welcome like planet wisp in generations, and below 3 it becomes underwhelming like most sonic colors acts and this game" its interesting how classic death egg clearly tries to be like the one from sonic & knuckles...but the music is just awful (i like most classic tracks of this game, but even i have to admit that one is shit) at this rate they should've just remixed the one from s&k
@WayTwoEazy
@WayTwoEazy 7 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly. It's a mechanic that was taken out but it added extra depth and a slightly higher skill ceiling. So much progress was made from unleashed to colors and then to generations but they took a major step backwards in my opinion. Generations had shorts levels but you were in control for the entirety of those levels , however this game FORCES you to turn and takes away control for those parts. it stops the boost function out of nowhere and does the work for you even as the avatar when I could have simply drifted around WHILE boosting. i want to play and learn the game not have my hand held around tight corners. i cant wait for the modding community to put these levels in generations so that everyone can see just how much better those mechanics were.
@jamainegardner4193
@jamainegardner4193 7 жыл бұрын
probably meant to increase replay value
@AdmiralFarcri
@AdmiralFarcri 7 жыл бұрын
Bocodamondo I love your work man! I hope everything works out for you soon!
@EternalYoshi
@EternalYoshi 7 жыл бұрын
Short levels can work, but all of the stages in Forces go nowhere with their designs or gimmicks. They don't do much of substance with their things before they finish, leading to a very flaccid experience overall.
@deathegg9474
@deathegg9474 7 жыл бұрын
And sometimes the camera distance is ass. Sonic and avatar are either to small or are to blended in with the background it’s hard to tell where you’re at and just up dying or getting hit.
@BBBBruceWayne
@BBBBruceWayne 7 жыл бұрын
Here's the first step in making a good sonic game sega. 1. Get rid of the fucking automation and give us full control.
@moviesrobert
@moviesrobert 7 жыл бұрын
wasn't SA1 and 2 filled with automation? i mean i know its far better then forces QTEs, but sonic is still automated in those games
@BBBBruceWayne
@BBBBruceWayne 7 жыл бұрын
Yup, you're right. Though it never felt that intrusive in those games. They cranked it up way too much in forces where it just feels like you're watching sonic instead of playing him.
@LoliconSamalik
@LoliconSamalik 7 жыл бұрын
I remember when the half assed criticisms towards Sonic was just holding forward to win.
@chiyo-chanholocaust8143
@chiyo-chanholocaust8143 7 жыл бұрын
It's a me You mean like Sonic 06?
@namingisdifficult408
@namingisdifficult408 7 жыл бұрын
It's a me that would indeed be a start
@stanzacosmi
@stanzacosmi 7 жыл бұрын
I have an idea that could have made the story 10 times better. Classic sonic being just a figment of tails imagination.
@uberman64
@uberman64 7 жыл бұрын
A channel known as Shadow759 made a video called "Sonic Forces theory has tails lost it?" It's mainly a joke video, but the theory is something to think about.
@Antonypancake
@Antonypancake 7 жыл бұрын
10x0 is still 0
@Dennis_Fueru
@Dennis_Fueru 6 жыл бұрын
AntonyPancake Damn
@setsers1
@setsers1 6 жыл бұрын
Why
@AishaPachia
@AishaPachia 5 жыл бұрын
Goddammit, they missed such a great opportunity! Come on Sega, wake up! Most of the Sonic fans are 30 something years old! You can get a bit more edgy than a Mario shitty clone games.
@Montesama314
@Montesama314 7 жыл бұрын
Looking at a couple playthroughs, it looks like the developers did a good chunk of work, but partway through, they just got tired and said, "whatever, this is good enough." It's seen in the cliched writing, the short stages, and the half-assed appearances of the wider Sonic cast. The game wasn't made out of passion like Sonic Mania, but instead looks like it was made out of obligation.
@moonman375
@moonman375 5 жыл бұрын
i felt the same way, it feels like it was made with a checklist of "stuff people liked in previous games", but with no care or understanding of why those things worked in the first place
@connorschultz380
@connorschultz380 5 жыл бұрын
That would be because of time restraints, the game itself was only made in a year.
@Michael-590
@Michael-590 5 жыл бұрын
They only spent a year on this game? That helps explain why it’s so mediocre.
@Emerald152
@Emerald152 5 жыл бұрын
@@Michael-590 I'll look into this more later, but a lot of peoplr say that they actually lost the code for the original Forces half way in development so they had to rush it to meet the deadline in the remaning year they had
@Michael-590
@Michael-590 5 жыл бұрын
Huh, I must have overlooked that part. I thought that it had something to do with losing a lot of older, more experienced staff that worked on games like Sonic Generations.
@FlameOfUdun96
@FlameOfUdun96 7 жыл бұрын
More like: “Sonic Team Forces out another one” Yes, I’m aware I’ve made this joke before but my ego is fragile and the only thing keeping me from ending it all is validation from my friendly peers on the internet
@Marcos-pw6ee
@Marcos-pw6ee 7 жыл бұрын
God I see you everywhere.
@FlameOfUdun96
@FlameOfUdun96 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, so I’ve heard
@DankFrank899
@DankFrank899 7 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure this is the 4th time I've seen you say this about this game, keep the originality coming my dude.
@MatthewAran
@MatthewAran 7 жыл бұрын
I saw you on Dunkey's Sonic Forces video
@FlameOfUdun96
@FlameOfUdun96 7 жыл бұрын
SaiyanGoku9001 Originality is hard
@monster25man
@monster25man 7 жыл бұрын
well turns out believe it or not this actually WAS made by new blood yeah turns out Sonic Forces was made by a bunch of Newbies meanwhile the original designers were moved up to higher positions in the company yep, even after they promised the people who made Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations working on this game turns out the designers never worked on a sonic game, Period
@SleepyDonnnn
@SleepyDonnnn 7 жыл бұрын
They need to be shown how to make good gameplay for sonic then
@ThiccSumoWarDog
@ThiccSumoWarDog 7 жыл бұрын
monster25man They need to be new AND have a working understanding of how Sonic games work (i.e. be fans of the series). I do like that Sonic Team is smart enough to bring in new developers but just because their viewpoints are fresh doesn't mean they're informed; what Sonic Team needs is more developers who GIVE A DAMN about Sonic.
@ScradeCottontail
@ScradeCottontail 7 жыл бұрын
Actually, one of them DID work on a Sonic game previously! it was lost world
@metashade4218
@metashade4218 7 жыл бұрын
Pfft. Talk about false advertising...
@Kuzamer
@Kuzamer 7 жыл бұрын
monster25man Actually, they have the director of Gens working on the fucking Mario & Sonic series now.
@av4d
@av4d 7 жыл бұрын
Sonic Forced me to not pay alimony.
@inactive2016
@inactive2016 7 жыл бұрын
Sonic Forced Yoshi to commit Tax Fraud.
@FlameOfUdun96
@FlameOfUdun96 7 жыл бұрын
Sonic Forced me to commit insurance fraud
@SonicXeno
@SonicXeno 7 жыл бұрын
Sonic Forced Kirby to pay his taxes
@Nieveria
@Nieveria 7 жыл бұрын
[PAY ALIMONY] [PUNCH]
@mathewricafrente5984
@mathewricafrente5984 7 жыл бұрын
Sonic Forced me to pay $40 to play his game
@StylusShade
@StylusShade 5 жыл бұрын
When a classic fanboy like Johnny is asking you to pull the plug on the annoyingly pointless nostalgic pandering, you know you've milked the old days dry.
@crazyfire9470
@crazyfire9470 4 жыл бұрын
If only other classic fanboys and fangirls were liked that
@thesuntitan
@thesuntitan 7 жыл бұрын
"This game just... exists." Yep
@SamProcrastinates
@SamProcrastinates 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Sonic Team. 14:24 You're welcome! All jokes aside, I think you hit the nail on the head in the end. I think the boost formula just isn't doing Sonic any justice. I mean hell, imagine working on a level pathway for months with beautiful level aesthetics.... only to have the player fly through it in less than a second with the boost button. That's why I believe Sonic Team is drained. The boost formula is too automatic for the player. And building levels for that formula sounds like hell. Its time to meet the middle man and do the adventure formula. Great review Johnny! -Sam :)
@Hoopryfien
@Hoopryfien 7 жыл бұрын
Sam's Procrastination Station As someone who really likes the boost formula, even I must agree with you. That is a good point.
@Gaia_BentosZX5
@Gaia_BentosZX5 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, and risk another '06 with the adventure formula. :)
@SamProcrastinates
@SamProcrastinates 7 жыл бұрын
^If they don't rush, they can do it!
@CometX-ing
@CometX-ing 7 жыл бұрын
GaiaX5 06's Problems had nothing to do with the formula it was working with.
@BOLPutube
@BOLPutube 7 жыл бұрын
I feel like Sonic Generations did a pretty good job at meeting this middle ground with a lot of its levels.
@alpharabbit2353
@alpharabbit2353 7 жыл бұрын
I don't give a rats ass if Mania ties in with this. Forces is not canon as far as I care. But then again, what even is canon at this point...
@Tubular_dude_20y_ago
@Tubular_dude_20y_ago 6 жыл бұрын
Its Sonic the "canon" makes no fucking sense anyways
@CarbonRollerCaco
@CarbonRollerCaco 5 жыл бұрын
​@@Tubular_dude_20y_ago It had a coherent canon from the OG trilogy through CD to Adventure 1. Adventure 2 fails as a sequel due to it only partially remembering key lore. After '06, the series went full Self-Contained Kids' Comedy Cartoon Mini-Movie Line.
@CarbonRollerCaco
@CarbonRollerCaco 5 жыл бұрын
@Luke Bourne You're putting it as though someone'd be WRONG to refuse it.
@CarbonRollerCaco
@CarbonRollerCaco 5 жыл бұрын
Sonic starting with Adventure 2 treated Sonic's friends as having outright _regressed._ Forces drives that implication home, especially in the context of Mania being an alternate immediate followup to the Genesis games.
@Tubular_dude_20y_ago
@Tubular_dude_20y_ago 5 жыл бұрын
@@CarbonRollerCaco I agree I had meant something along the lines of doesn't my make any sense anymore
@FlameOfUdun96
@FlameOfUdun96 7 жыл бұрын
Finally...Blonic is officially canon
@pridefulmaster1390
@pridefulmaster1390 7 жыл бұрын
how embarrassing
@Dragonbreaker13
@Dragonbreaker13 7 жыл бұрын
What about Shrek?
@bunnyboyking5215
@bunnyboyking5215 7 жыл бұрын
+FlameofUdun And Gyrohedgie453 Is in an actual playable character in a Sonic Game. Being available for multiplayer in Sonic Colors doesn't count.
@TehComs
@TehComs 7 жыл бұрын
Nathaniel Arndt at first I misread op as referring to Bionic, Chris-Chan's basketballin' oc.
@Ceeington
@Ceeington 7 жыл бұрын
Finally my original character coldsteel the hedgehag is cannon BWHAHAHAHAHAHA (do nawt steal)
@ArtFenixAsordis
@ArtFenixAsordis 7 жыл бұрын
Finally more people started saying that Sonic Adventure styled games need to return.
@42Caio
@42Caio 7 жыл бұрын
People have been saying this for more than 10 years now, what the fuck. It's not a matter of the game's style, it's a matter of sheer incompetence on the maker's side. They could make a game with Adventure-style gameplay and it would still be shit.
@VioletLunaChan
@VioletLunaChan 7 жыл бұрын
Not quite, there were (are?) tons of people with that stupid "SONIC NEVER WORKS IN 3D"
@ArtFenixAsordis
@ArtFenixAsordis 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I still keep seeing those individuals. I wonder what's going on in their heads...
@AnkfordPlays
@AnkfordPlays 7 жыл бұрын
bandwagoning. Honestly just bandwagoning.
@haruhisuzumiya6650
@haruhisuzumiya6650 7 жыл бұрын
ArtFenixAsordis its the 20th anniversary of sonic adventure Plus it could be remade as a new game.
@RSeph
@RSeph 7 жыл бұрын
Damn son you uploaded quick. Also I agree, Blaze should have been in the game, she's one of the best characters and so underused!
@WildManToons
@WildManToons 7 жыл бұрын
Blaze has her own stuff to do at here own dimension there really is no reason for her to be there in this game Sliver does because if he doesnt help bad future and such.
@RSeph
@RSeph 7 жыл бұрын
But the events of Sonic 06 were erased from history, so Silver should have never met Sonic and Co. But then Sonic Generations treats the events of 06 as canon so Silver met Sonic anyway. But Sonic 06 says that Blaze is from the future and not an alternate dimension so what the hell is the deal with Sonic Rush and Rush Adventure? You know what, fuck the Sonic mythos.
@WildManToons
@WildManToons 7 жыл бұрын
Joe Robinson Sonic Rivial had sliver in it which reconed his story
@borttheattorney6012
@borttheattorney6012 7 жыл бұрын
Joe Robinson You do know that sonic Rivals 1&2 are canon right?
@mbdg6810
@mbdg6810 7 жыл бұрын
sonic rush adventure came out after 06 so 06 isn't an option for why is blaze not here
@Hi_Just_Fred
@Hi_Just_Fred 3 жыл бұрын
Sonic Team: "Shit we made a bad game, quick make something good to fix it!!" *Good game happens* ST: "Ah yes good, now make something bad again so we can keep the balance!!"
@TravisPlushProductions
@TravisPlushProductions 7 жыл бұрын
I agree with what you said at the end while not doing literally adventure 3 but do the sonic tails and knuckles adventure 1 style gameplay while also bringing other characters such as shadow, espio, rouge, etc.
@TopHatLucario
@TopHatLucario 7 жыл бұрын
Travis Plush Productions Let's stick to the main trio so Sonic Team doesn't have to feel overwhelmed.
@Popkornking539
@Popkornking539 7 жыл бұрын
So I probably have a unpopular opinion but I feel like having sonic boost knuckles glide and punch and tails fly could be good in an adventure game just make the boost less o.p. (like you can destroy enemies but you still get hurt by projectiles)
@soulsurj4782
@soulsurj4782 7 жыл бұрын
Shizzy Sevven idk about that, I mean, Sonic 06 wasn't an adventure game but you could definitely see the similarities.
@soulsurj4782
@soulsurj4782 7 жыл бұрын
popkornkid I was thinking the same, or they could just make it like the speed shoes so you could still control Sonic while going at a quicker speed.
@Rex67Diego9
@Rex67Diego9 7 жыл бұрын
they should remaster both adventure titles, before even jumping to the lets just make sonic adventure 3, this people clearly are oblivious to what makes sonic... sonic
@unseenphantomamvsytp2186
@unseenphantomamvsytp2186 7 жыл бұрын
The Sonic Unleashed (AKA "Boost") Style of gameplay is fun but I agree they should go back to the Adventure Style.
@akeemtaylor8375
@akeemtaylor8375 6 жыл бұрын
The Invisible Mare you mean the sonic colors style
@cleavly6162
@cleavly6162 6 жыл бұрын
Akeem Taylor Nah, Unleashed had, in my opinion, fantastic stages.
@unseenphantomamvsytp2186
@unseenphantomamvsytp2186 6 жыл бұрын
Akeem Taylor No I mean Sonic Unleashed. It came out with that style of gameplay first. It was only ruined by that only being half the game and the rest being those boring Werehog stages.
@backup4348
@backup4348 6 жыл бұрын
The Invisible Mare how music like the adventure style was lost world?
@unseenphantomamvsytp2186
@unseenphantomamvsytp2186 6 жыл бұрын
I've never played lost world
@actionvolcano
@actionvolcano 7 жыл бұрын
What a fucking world. SEGA basically includes a fan game into canon by tying it into an official sega game. The offical SEGA game is the one that feels undeserving of being connected.
@RKMCHere
@RKMCHere 7 жыл бұрын
actionvolcano Shut up they put hard work into it
@Rain0327
@Rain0327 7 жыл бұрын
TheRedKnightMC “Hard work” lmao. The mediocre reception Forces is getting doesn’t sound like hard work.
@windmage8909
@windmage8909 7 жыл бұрын
RainbowFalcon Regardless, it can't feel good for them to see so many average/poor review scores.
@Luigi4evernevermario
@Luigi4evernevermario 7 жыл бұрын
Having played both Mania and Forces... Mania feels like they poured years of love and attention into it, whilst Forces feels like the neglected half child that the Sega family hides in the cupboard under the stairs because they can barely be bothered to feed it. Sure, having a create a character thing was neat, but the gameplay was all exceedingly bland and short, and you're literally just being pushed along without even doing anything like 80% of the time. Thats not a game. Its a woosh simulator. So yeah. The "Hard work" of most likely outsourcing to inexperienced developers on lower than average pay, with less than average allotted work hours to the deadline. I'm not saying that Forces COULDN'T have been great, but if they actually put more time, money and effort into it, and perhaps delayed it a year to make it fleshed out and feel like a finished game, sure. But admit it. it's Boom all over again. Hell, the enemies don't even DO anything. Even fodder enemies in earlier games would feebly attempt a swing at you. These bots are all bland and literally stand still.
@KinnikumanUpLoader01
@KinnikumanUpLoader01 7 жыл бұрын
RainbowFalcon Then why would they take 4 years to make this game?
@GingerBeanie
@GingerBeanie 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing him rant at the end about what the next game will be like after everything we've seen with Frontiers is wild.
@fredrickbarnes8568
@fredrickbarnes8568 2 жыл бұрын
Fax sonic frontiers is definitely the sonic mania for us modern fans
@BlueBlur2003
@BlueBlur2003 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't say it knocked it out of the park but it was still a great experience and if SEGA continues with this new formula, they can make a masterpiece.
@bigmanliam
@bigmanliam Жыл бұрын
Unleashed was peak
@HyperComet369
@HyperComet369 Жыл бұрын
@@fredrickbarnes8568Hell no… its good buy don’t say it like that lmfao.
@CheosgamerX-ik1kq
@CheosgamerX-ik1kq Жыл бұрын
​@@HyperComet369no defiantly mania level
@Gelbwyjbejki
@Gelbwyjbejki 7 жыл бұрын
Adding classic Sonic in was such a huge mistake
@Gelbwyjbejki
@Gelbwyjbejki 7 жыл бұрын
Not really. It wasn't fundamentally bad, just a lot of bad decisions.
@nintendo1889x
@nintendo1889x 7 жыл бұрын
No no no, the fan weeb character adding was a mistake
@misskobeyoshi2500
@misskobeyoshi2500 7 жыл бұрын
fan weeb? More like Furry avatars they are tons cringier
@Marku912
@Marku912 7 жыл бұрын
Demon Lord Ghirahim The fact that this game came out right after Mania was a mistake. Just shows SEGA's inadequacy in comparison to fans.
@I_was_a_Bullfrog
@I_was_a_Bullfrog 7 жыл бұрын
Marku912, just after? Mania has been out for close to 3 months, that isn't really just after...
@TheAmazingDolph
@TheAmazingDolph 7 жыл бұрын
Gameplay recording paused because you entered a blocked scene
@gamermanx3096
@gamermanx3096 7 жыл бұрын
TheAmazingDolphin hate it when that happens.
@danieladams6426
@danieladams6426 7 жыл бұрын
You right :)
@ccateni28
@ccateni28 7 жыл бұрын
TheAmazingDolphin "Want to let me out so I can join the fun? Of course Not! YOU HATE FUN SONY!"
@burgerkingJ
@burgerkingJ 7 жыл бұрын
This game I have mix feelings.There was a spark but sadly it didn't ignite.I'm fine with it but wish it was better. I do like mostly the avatar parts with the variety of the wispons and the customization, Modern Sonics levels were ok but were too short(same with the other levels), and finally classic Sonic levels ain't no Mania for sure.Can't really stand the classic sonic level music in this game.Right now I'm just playing it to unlock clothing and see other avatars with the SOS missions.
@person.w9780
@person.w9780 7 жыл бұрын
burgerkingJ When I watched this review, I kept saying to myself, " Why is the game like this?" or, "How did this happen?" It really quite unfortunate too. Just like Johnny said, there are certain areas of the game that seem interesting but are never fully fleshed out. I just can't imagine what was going on with Sonic Team over that 4 year period. This game should have been so much better than it turned out to be. What happened?
@tiktokcompilations797
@tiktokcompilations797 Жыл бұрын
I’m back here after sonic frontiers and it’s dlc. It’s crazy how far we came from the disappointing forces to the legitimately great frontiers
@SheerSonic
@SheerSonic 7 жыл бұрын
Nice to hear a critically unbiased review of this game after reading the abomination that is the comment section of the official Sonic the Hedgehog KZbin page, full of people fighting over how Sonic Forces is either the best game ever made or a pile of garbage. People saying that Mania is a terrible game aimed to leech easy money from '90s fanboys just makes me sad how little some people must really understand properly functioning game design. Thanks for being smart, Johnny. Loved the review. :)
@moviesrobert
@moviesrobert 7 жыл бұрын
SheerSonic keep in mind, most of the people you saw raging were little kids.
@Nappy47
@Nappy47 7 жыл бұрын
Sonic fan all his life but has an unbiased view. Kek
@king-k9675
@king-k9675 7 жыл бұрын
Honestly, that description of Mania is kinda the same as mine.
@voltekka47
@voltekka47 7 жыл бұрын
YourRegularGamer nice bait
@WildManToons
@WildManToons 7 жыл бұрын
I like sonic forces the stages are short but there still fun to go like Sonic Rush or Colors but I wish classic sonic wasn't there he really has no reason to be there at all. The avatar stages are definitely the best of the game and the bosses where great other than Metal sonics and it does feel like some stuff was not finished i.e the Null dimension it was there for 5 secs and solved it had no point. Sonic Mania is the better game though but my only complaint with Mania was it went overboard with the references to past games but at least it did new things with them in there Act 2s along with new zones and great level design and bosses.
@verynear_0
@verynear_0 7 жыл бұрын
Why can't we get a Sonic game where they only focus on one style of play and polish the shit out of it. Instead of having multiple mediocre styles.
@mbdg6810
@mbdg6810 7 жыл бұрын
i think its because 06 happened and they won't go back to the adventure formula even though the formula ITSELF was not the problem
@bunsmasterbunny
@bunsmasterbunny 7 жыл бұрын
We need adventure play styles to come back.
@Mngalahad
@Mngalahad 7 жыл бұрын
The only 3d games that have done that are shadow and heroes. I find it obvious to only make ONE play style. Modern sonic and the oc play similarly but the controls and the level design are too simple to be fun.
@mbdg6810
@mbdg6810 7 жыл бұрын
i think the different playstyles MIGHT be a result of fan requests resulting in the fanbase being split on what they want and sega can't please a majority
@jaretco6423
@jaretco6423 3 жыл бұрын
Mngalahad. That is true. Too bad none of them were good.
@SuperLink9
@SuperLink9 7 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more with your unscripted bit, Sonic Team just feels like they're making games because they have to but Sonic deserves way better. There needs to be serious shakeups in SEGA.
@snoopsq.527
@snoopsq.527 7 жыл бұрын
Hearing Knuckles' "war" line made me laugh so hard. I don't know if it's the delivery, just the fact it's Knuckles of all people saying it or both but it is hilarious. (To me at least.)
@Antonio-is2cn
@Antonio-is2cn 2 жыл бұрын
"SHUT UP!!!" - Knuckles
@ataladin87
@ataladin87 Жыл бұрын
Why's it funny???. His tribe was In a war and didn't live to tell the tale. So Knuckles didn't wanna repeat.
@little_paisano
@little_paisano 7 жыл бұрын
Reminder that Johnny got a fucking death threat on twitter over this game and all he said was, “you sound angry”
@bunsmasterbunny
@bunsmasterbunny 7 жыл бұрын
Whoever did that has issues and was completely in the wrong.
@saki6489
@saki6489 7 жыл бұрын
I like how you emphasized it's not bad... it's just kinda there. What needs to happen more than anything is for Sega itself to step in and pull in Odyssey by hiring new people who grew up with this series and create that new adventure style game. I think the current sonic team at this point has proven they don't care or at least are incompetent to make sonic be anything more than fine, so until Sega steps in and does something; we'll probably end up getting the same shit
@MidnightLucario1
@MidnightLucario1 7 жыл бұрын
This game was done by new people. Level designs were done by 3 new guys
@brandonontama2415
@brandonontama2415 7 жыл бұрын
MidnightLucario1 He means new people that grew up with Sonic.
@AAhmou
@AAhmou 7 жыл бұрын
Even the writers barely knew about Sonic lore... I wish they either did extensive research or assisted by competent Sonic fans.
@MidnightLucario1
@MidnightLucario1 7 жыл бұрын
And who says these guys didn't? You think you have to grow up with Sonic to make good games alone?
@LucarioBlade
@LucarioBlade 7 жыл бұрын
I think the main problem is that sonic team tried to cater to all different branches of the fan base and completely lost focus on creating something original with the modern era.
@dr6559
@dr6559 7 жыл бұрын
NovaBeast92 How? Mania for Classic fans turned out well. You mean the million gameplay styles of Modern Sonic?
@LucarioBlade
@LucarioBlade 7 жыл бұрын
D R exactly. I should've been more clear about that.
@dr6559
@dr6559 7 жыл бұрын
NovaBeast92 At this point, they shouldn't bother. There is no way to put Adventure, Lost world, and Boost in one game and work. Pick one and go with it.
@Trizic_
@Trizic_ 7 жыл бұрын
I actually feel sorry for sonic team because I'm really concerned in what type of 3D Sonic game they're gonna make and be about? The fans are like Scribble Scrabble, so its kinda hard on what their gonna do...
@dennisscipio
@dennisscipio 7 жыл бұрын
They tried that with Sonic Lost World and it received mixed reviews.
@manicmania695
@manicmania695 7 жыл бұрын
what makes me upset is that iizuka said no adventure 3 because "they dont want to repeat themselves"
@bunsmasterbunny
@bunsmasterbunny 7 жыл бұрын
Even though Forces is just a repeat of Generations.
@DANmovies100
@DANmovies100 7 жыл бұрын
I find that ironic considering they've been rehashing the same zones over and over again.
@hyperfrost2204
@hyperfrost2204 6 жыл бұрын
he means repeat 06
@CrasherX2000
@CrasherX2000 5 жыл бұрын
HyperFrost220 even still, they repeated themselves with Mania And that game is friken amazing I would love another adventure style game because it has a crapload of potential... But Sonic Team just needs to sit down and truly focus on making it great and enjoyable with as little flaws as possible
@CarbonRollerCaco
@CarbonRollerCaco 5 жыл бұрын
He actually said something along the lines of "not yet", not a hard "no". His line of thinking was that an Adventure 3 would make people happy, but he'd rather make people ECSTATIC with something unexpected first in order to show people what the Sonic series is capable of being. You know how he could accomplish that? *_QUIT._*
@palindinX
@palindinX 7 жыл бұрын
They need to *STOP PLAYING IT SO SAFE.* Sonic Team and SEGA *NEED* to stop giving us half-written and half-baked stories, they need to deliver a full and cohesive storytelling, with good interesting plots that get fleshed out. *STOP* making Sonic happy 99% of the time, it literally downplays *ANY* dangerous situation he's and virtually kills *ANY* tension and drama. Dial back on the automation in the levels, I've been playing Sonic for decades, I've played almost every game besides the weird Game Gear ones, and Sonic Forces feels like only 3 things happen during gameplay: 1. It's a straight line with enemies lined to get boosted/mowed down. 2.QTE (Quick Time Event) just waiting for the right time to press a button or button mash, game plays itself afterwards basically. 3. The controls are fully taken away from the player, you just watch Sonic running and doing stuff, but it's not "You" the player, doing *ANYTHING*. ENOUGH with the Green Hill and Chemical Plant, it was good in Generations, and Mania was pushing it a little (Mostly because Christian Whitehead WANTED to do *ALL* original levels, but fucking Izuka got the final say, and he wanted to do the "Nostalgia Pandering" with the 60/40 ratio of old levels to new levels), but it's time to fucking stop showing Green Hill, this isn't a damn Mario game, Green Hill doesn't have to be the "De-Facto" 1st level or the tutorial level, and Chemical Plant doesn't have to be the "De-Facto" 2nd level to Green Hill. Get Classic Sonic out of here, he was useless both in the story and in gameplay, both Modern Sonic AND the Custom Avatar have 2D in their respective levels, hell even more than the automated 3D, having Classic Sonic's 2D was completely redundant and unnecessary, plus his physics are still bad, maybe even worse than Generations Classic Sonic, so what's the point in having him playable if he doesn't play like how he should? *Just stop using him!* Anyway, there's more I wanted to say, but I think that's enough ranting, of course this is just how I feel how Sonic Forces stopped itself from being a great Sonic game.
@yuhanthansivamoorthy9176
@yuhanthansivamoorthy9176 7 жыл бұрын
palindinX I couldn’t agree more.
@stephencarter7321
@stephencarter7321 7 жыл бұрын
Or even better. Say fuck off to any serious story because Sonic does NOT work with a serious, gritty story. I mean for fuck's sake he's a cartoony blue hedgehog fighting a fat man with a poofy moustache.
@palindinX
@palindinX 7 жыл бұрын
+Stephen Carter As long as they don't try to be too cringy and embarrassingly lame like in Sonic Colors (Baldy McNose-hair) or in Sonic Lost World (Eggman, you bite!), I'll be okay with them not being too serious in a Sonic game. I just want a good story that does Sonic and his friends justice to their characters.
@mjc0961
@mjc0961 7 жыл бұрын
"STOP making Sonic happy 99% of the time, it literally downplays ANY dangerous situation he's and virtually kills ANY tension and drama." What do you mean. It's not jarring at all to go from "Eggman's been torturing Sonic for 6 months" to "NEXT TIME BRING CHILI DOGS GOTTA GO FAST WAY PAST COOL!" This is perfect storytelling. 👌 I have to say though, I would rather have cringy and embarrassingly lame lightheartedness like "Baldy McNose-hair" than cringy and embarrassingly lame dark serious time like Gerald Robotnik execution videos or the entirety of Shadow the Hedgehog.
@djinnhoopa7599
@djinnhoopa7599 7 жыл бұрын
Just have some good characters, emotianal depth and just a slight sprinkle of darkness. Sonic and the black Knight, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic adventure and even Sonic heroes in some instances did it very well.
@NanaKyoto
@NanaKyoto 7 жыл бұрын
Finally, Character the Creator is canon.
@yes5937
@yes5937 7 жыл бұрын
Nana-Kyoto wtf is that profile pic?
@NanaKyoto
@NanaKyoto 7 жыл бұрын
Powdered Toast Man I knew that was coming.
@KiritoBlackSwordsman647
@KiritoBlackSwordsman647 7 жыл бұрын
thicc
@namingisdifficult408
@namingisdifficult408 7 жыл бұрын
Nana-Kyoto fair enough
@mikeanthony3300
@mikeanthony3300 7 жыл бұрын
And Character The Creator literally left the gang just like that. They come in to help and leave the Sonic cast the moment their job is complete. SEGA may go back to this OC idea but considering how Forces ended...I highly doubt it.
@DaCableGuy
@DaCableGuy 7 жыл бұрын
I sense a disturbance in the Force. ...s
@FlyingScott
@FlyingScott 7 жыл бұрын
*Draws lightsaber*
@RikXtreme4
@RikXtreme4 7 жыл бұрын
DaCableGuy *escorts you to the door* Come on man..lets go
@solarstrike33
@solarstrike33 7 жыл бұрын
setForceAll 3 **right clicks**
@Cp-71
@Cp-71 5 жыл бұрын
5:45 Johnny: The gang finds out that Eggman has been torturing [Sonic] for the six months he's been gone. Silver in game: No way! That's excellent! Yeah. It truly is.
@sandywolfr26
@sandywolfr26 4 жыл бұрын
Sonic gets tortured, he appears to be the same old sonic. Know what game did torture well? Jak and daxter 2. Jak act nothing like he did in one cuz he was put through hell and wanted to kill. I’m like if you want to torture sonic, make his personality reflect that.
@gregzotter6189
@gregzotter6189 3 жыл бұрын
@@sandywolfr26 Sega would never allow their mascot to end up "always angry, just like another hedgehog we know", to quote Sonic X Eggman.
@jeremyknight9980
@jeremyknight9980 7 жыл бұрын
15:25 Actually they did bring in some new blood. THe level designers of Forces are new members of Sonic Team. Why they didn't bring in the level designers of Generations is beyond me. Forces isn't a bad game. I'd play this and the Wii U/PC version of Lost World over the other Meh SOnic games like Heroes, Shadow and Black Knight. but FOrces could've been so much more.
@segaunited3855
@segaunited3855 7 жыл бұрын
It couldn't have. Sega and Sonic Team miss developing for a Sega console.
@AAhmou
@AAhmou 7 жыл бұрын
Sega United So be it... Sonic adventure in the next 20 years.
@KiddRyzeDaGawd
@KiddRyzeDaGawd 7 жыл бұрын
Yea, but we need new blood that knows what they're doing.
@theARDISAN
@theARDISAN 7 жыл бұрын
We need fan developers that loves Sonic not random people from Japan that doesn't give a shit about Sonic and just want a paycheck. And the inconsistency of keeping their good development teams is really damaging Sonic right now.
@bluudevil4483
@bluudevil4483 7 жыл бұрын
No we need the great Lang and murasaki fox or supersonic 68. That's good new blood.
@yume989
@yume989 7 жыл бұрын
Actually, here's the shocking thing, most of the people working on forces were new.
@WildManToons
@WildManToons 7 жыл бұрын
This is true
@yume989
@yume989 7 жыл бұрын
The director is the guy who directed Colours, the producer was the one who directed 06. The director usually has a bigger say the game's direction. Although, I have to agree, GET RID PONTAFF ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!
@yume989
@yume989 7 жыл бұрын
Just a theory, the lack of staff might be due to SEGA and not Sonic Team. Mainly because Sonic Team might not be the only team suffering due to lack of staff. SEGA of Japan even gave another smaller company their male idol phone game.
@JokerLord420
@JokerLord420 7 жыл бұрын
Johnny has a point though. Sonic The Hedgehog had a rough roller coaster ride ever since Yuji Naka left since 06. No offense but the people at Sonic Team are a bunch of idiots. They need to get Yuji Naka back!
@lionscave5256
@lionscave5256 7 жыл бұрын
Milo Carpenter Too bad, he left by his own choice and probably won't come back seeing as how he doesn't want to make sonic games for his whole life.
@JokerLord420
@JokerLord420 7 жыл бұрын
leonardo rodriguez True. But still... The Fans want to see him comeback.
@GreenChillZone
@GreenChillZone 7 жыл бұрын
It's been rough since before '06. Adventure DX and Heroes is where the downward slide really started, and Shadow turned the series into a laughingstock.
@JokerLord420
@JokerLord420 7 жыл бұрын
Mike Rotch Plays Games yep.
@DaBOOMKid
@DaBOOMKid 7 жыл бұрын
Mike Rotch Plays Games My Question is whats the fate of Sonic now 😞
@jorgerivera5265
@jorgerivera5265 7 жыл бұрын
Damn... I just love how this guy talks. Some of the best damn reviews come out of this channel. Good job as always. Pity Sonic Team can't seem to really care or understand what Sonic is all about
@thebahooplamaster
@thebahooplamaster 7 жыл бұрын
Honestly, when I played the game, I felt like I was in a movie more than a game. Personally, I loved it, but yeah.
@sonicthehedge
@sonicthehedge 7 жыл бұрын
Sonic forces story and presentation feels more like a movie looks nothing like a typical sonic game
@ccateni28
@ccateni28 7 жыл бұрын
Yet it still sucks with a ton of plotholes and stupid stuff that happens.
@wolfie23288
@wolfie23288 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah
@sacredeyes3508
@sacredeyes3508 7 жыл бұрын
thebahooplamaster it was an anime sonic game tbh
@solarstrike33
@solarstrike33 7 жыл бұрын
Metal Gear Solid 4 syndrome, huh?
@femorllarina9395
@femorllarina9395 7 жыл бұрын
Sonic team seriously needs to see this
@mbdg6810
@mbdg6810 7 жыл бұрын
agreed this will help them improve
@lynxdosage
@lynxdosage 7 жыл бұрын
FemOr llarina there are two Sonic Teams, the guys who made lost world also made this game
@TheHomiErik
@TheHomiErik 7 жыл бұрын
I know someone at sega saw the sonic 4 episode 2 review no seriously go back and look at how many things johnny said that were done in mania
@TheShadowHatter
@TheShadowHatter 7 жыл бұрын
I would tweet this at the Sonic twitter if anything. I think the guy who runs that twitter has connections with SEGA to give them feedback and such.
@MoonSpiritChannel
@MoonSpiritChannel 7 жыл бұрын
I know how you feel Juan. God, this game looked and played mechanically mediocre. And that's just it: it's mediocre and can not live up to the expectations.
@xxxtentacles7151
@xxxtentacles7151 7 жыл бұрын
MoonSpirit Git gud then
@falconboi9126
@falconboi9126 7 жыл бұрын
i love the game though
@jaystinger6066
@jaystinger6066 7 жыл бұрын
FalconBoi how old are you?
@BaronVonBielski
@BaronVonBielski 7 жыл бұрын
+jay stinger what does it matter how old he is? if hes a kid, hes a kid let him enjoy the game
@falconboi9126
@falconboi9126 7 жыл бұрын
thanks
@xt6997
@xt6997 4 жыл бұрын
"Wait for a price drop." Playstation: we got your back.
@spiderninja8779
@spiderninja8779 7 жыл бұрын
Well, there were only 3 level designers, 2 of which were NEW and the other one was from lost world :/
@Gems-Prince7
@Gems-Prince7 7 жыл бұрын
Spider Ninja 4 years of development and no wonder the level design are short. I felt they should've been long like sonic unleashed day time stages.
@diegomedina9637
@diegomedina9637 7 жыл бұрын
fabian market, they should have been at least as long as Generations modern stages with less QTEs
@ralphjeremy6590
@ralphjeremy6590 7 жыл бұрын
fabian market more like 3 years of developing another Hedgehog Engine for the game and the concepts stuff and 1 year for the actual game itself
@Starnana
@Starnana 7 жыл бұрын
That explains a lot actually. They should of just gotten the developers/level designers for Unleashed and Generations. They are most competent to make a good boost forumla game.
@RyanDaly
@RyanDaly 7 жыл бұрын
Spider Ninja Spent two years on the graphics but 2 minuets on the level design
@BusterSwordUser
@BusterSwordUser 7 жыл бұрын
No Johnny, don't! Frassupo is going to flip out on Twitter again.
@chriselder3625
@chriselder3625 7 жыл бұрын
Did he post already?
@Toastrz
@Toastrz 7 жыл бұрын
I eagerly await his foretold wrath in this comment section. Surely he will bring down the entire channel and single-handedly discredit Johnny forever!
@starman2517
@starman2517 7 жыл бұрын
The only reason I’m scanning the comments section!
@Ned_Zeppelin_324
@Ned_Zeppelin_324 7 жыл бұрын
It's too late, I've already drank my own tears
@alkaligalactic4254
@alkaligalactic4254 7 жыл бұрын
TonberryJack some butthurt Sonic fan who doesn't want Johnny to criticize Forces
@TheRuggedEchinda
@TheRuggedEchinda 7 жыл бұрын
Johnny, I️ am very pleased about what this video has you talking about. You of all people are someone who knows what should change for better or worse and you phrase your statements perfectly so they’re cohesive and understandable. I️ honest to God hope Sega watches this video and understands their flaws and improves from them. You are a perfect reviewer in my eyes.
@mbdg6810
@mbdg6810 6 жыл бұрын
It is really weird how the sonic series can provide the best or the worst experience at the same time.
@jamesibell
@jamesibell 7 жыл бұрын
God that last segment, so real and so true. I honestly thought that maybe Sonic Team would get the help of the Mania team, but the part of the game which I honest to God thought was there only for quality control, to be sure it was good, ended up being the most half assed attempt at recreating the classic games we've ever seen. Worse that Sonic 4 Episode II, but still, not awful, just so mediocre and uninteresting.
@HandmadeGoose97
@HandmadeGoose97 7 жыл бұрын
Your character is quietly whispering "I used to love her, then i had to kill her" "and i can still here her complain" while under your bed
@doclouis4236
@doclouis4236 7 жыл бұрын
Can we please acknowledge the fact that Sonic Team really sucks at story telling.
@mercuryq1144
@mercuryq1144 7 жыл бұрын
The only time they told a good story was in NiGHTS into dreams but that's just about it IMO
@kevintyson1947
@kevintyson1947 7 жыл бұрын
Doc Louis honestly the last good sonic story that I really loved, thought was original and had a good balance of light hearted humor and seriousness was sonic unleashed
@bunsmasterbunny
@bunsmasterbunny 7 жыл бұрын
They've done more right than not. It's the new writers that suck.
@AK46supr
@AK46supr 7 жыл бұрын
Doc Louis its the lost world writters that suck
@mjc0961
@mjc0961 7 жыл бұрын
*looks at Adventure, Adventure 2, Shadow, Sonic 06, Unleashed, possibly Lost World, and now Forces* Sonic Team sucking at story telling is in contention? We have to acknowledge it? It's been painfully obvious for years and years and years.
@mushrunner3418
@mushrunner3418 7 жыл бұрын
They need to give ma boi Silver another chance. (Sonic Adventure 3?)
@Dragonbreaker13
@Dragonbreaker13 7 жыл бұрын
06 is Adventure 3...
@mushrunner3418
@mushrunner3418 7 жыл бұрын
Haneef Harrington Yeah, I guess so.
@Tubular_dude_20y_ago
@Tubular_dude_20y_ago 6 жыл бұрын
Not really if anything Heroes is adventure 3
@ShadowPersona0
@ShadowPersona0 6 жыл бұрын
I wish I can see Silver playable again but Silver nor Blaze has nothing to do in the events after adventure 2.
@Pikachufan-hz4xb
@Pikachufan-hz4xb 5 жыл бұрын
Mushrunner True Dat!
@KTChamberlain
@KTChamberlain 7 жыл бұрын
Knuckles leads the resistance? Why not Tails? He obviously has the intellect for such a position, whereas Knuckles has been a sucker for Eggman's deceptions since Sonic 3/Knuckles.
@SilverEspeon
@SilverEspeon 7 жыл бұрын
Holy shit, it's Kevin Chamberlain! How've you been man? It's been ages (assuming you remember my old YT account).
@KTChamberlain
@KTChamberlain 7 жыл бұрын
I've been doing rather well. Sadly I don't remember your old account. Sorry.
@itachisusanoo3689
@itachisusanoo3689 7 жыл бұрын
Tails "lost it", aka probably gave up on standing up to eggman and infinite. Also, the others like silver and amy do seem to keep knuckles in check to some extent.
@SilverEspeon
@SilverEspeon 7 жыл бұрын
+KTChamberlain My old account was sora3040. I was the guy who tried to impersonate Dane.
@mikeanthony3300
@mikeanthony3300 7 жыл бұрын
Tails couldn't of lead the Resistance as stated before Tails literally lost all hope upon hearing about Sonic's defeat. He lost so much hope to the point to where he couldn't even defend himself against Chaos. All he could do is crouch in fear pleading for Sonic to come in and save him.
@Aarantula
@Aarantula 7 жыл бұрын
You know what really is sad? This game ended up pandering a lot to nostalgia. You brought back CHAOS and he doesn't even get a boss fight. Classic Sonic doesn't do jack. Green Hill Zone is getting old... yet Sonic Mania is running circles around Modern Sonic games now it looks like. Goes to show what heart the fans had when they made it.
@hyperfrost2204
@hyperfrost2204 6 жыл бұрын
look at mania. THATS pandering
@Fooza05
@Fooza05 5 жыл бұрын
@@hyperfrost2204 but ti was still fun and enjoyable on its own though.
@CarbonRollerCaco
@CarbonRollerCaco 5 жыл бұрын
@@hyperfrost2204 They're BOTH pandering because they support the terrible anti-middle ground split between the Classic and Modern styles.
@jjc4924
@jjc4924 5 жыл бұрын
At least Mania was an celebration of the 25th anniversary of the franchise & it is an way better skeptical of an game than Forces has. Pandering on nostalgia or not, Mania still beats Forces 10 times.
@jaretco6423
@jaretco6423 2 жыл бұрын
At least Mania was successful and actually fun. And it was to celebrate the 25th anniversary. As well being made by the fans of Sonic. This game; on the other hand...
@toottootsonicwarrior5777
@toottootsonicwarrior5777 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for bringing up the whole sonic being tortured yet completely unaffected thing, This and the pointless null space scene were definitely the points in the game where i just laughed my ass off and facepalmed.
@moviesrobert
@moviesrobert 7 жыл бұрын
Sudad Walker-Bagadi the worst part is that the null space would have actually been a cool level to see...
@toottootsonicwarrior5777
@toottootsonicwarrior5777 7 жыл бұрын
Robert Verdugo yeh, all that hyping up of infinite's ability to create null space and sonic with the oc just break out like it was nothing. How are we supposed to invest in the story if there is no suspence or challenge that tests the characters? the whole sonic always wins and is never affected by anything made the story really freaking boring, and what was meant to be a "darker tone" game felt like the same old shit from lost worlds, etc.
@toottootsonicwarrior5777
@toottootsonicwarrior5777 7 жыл бұрын
night mare having story related dlc is kinda stupid tho because by the time it comes out, people don't care anymore, and the story feels less impactful then if they had just included it in the game when people were still invested, look at what a mess final fantasy 15 was...
@supertoken2394
@supertoken2394 6 жыл бұрын
I love how you used the Jim Carrey cuts. It’s like silly foreshadowing for the upcoming 2019 sonic movie 😂🤣
@MetalJordy
@MetalJordy 7 жыл бұрын
What I want, as weird as it sounds, is 06. But as it was intended. With a coherent plot (mostly the same), polished gameplay, and things like that. Every time I play, I just see what could have been.
@RatchetSprite1
@RatchetSprite1 7 жыл бұрын
MetalJordy 100% agreed.
@cubeddoubled1543
@cubeddoubled1543 7 жыл бұрын
MetalJordy 06’s plot was everything but coherent.
@dn22pkkdd476
@dn22pkkdd476 7 жыл бұрын
There is a generations mod that kinda does this. It's so far the closest we'll have to seeing a competent sonic 06.
@irhandlehandle
@irhandlehandle 7 жыл бұрын
06 is my favorite sonic game. It combined adventure and speed without the boost function that makes the gameplay flat and dull. The story needs some tweaks and the physics need polishing, but when you look at it at its core, it's a pretty solid game. It just needed to be finished. The game they released wasn't even the latest build of the game.
@bunsmasterbunny
@bunsmasterbunny 7 жыл бұрын
+dbzfan1121 I think the PC remake will be more competent once it's finished. The plot was mostly coherent, it just got messy with some of the smaller details, especially in Silver's scenario.
@OgdenX
@OgdenX 7 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, the Adventure games, especially the first was the most faithful to the classic games the series has ever been. I would love a 3D Sonic game that isn't all about boosting at the highest speeds and promotes you to want explore the level and reward you for doing so. A character like Knuckles doesn't even have to treasure hunt. Maybe he could use his signature moves to find hidden pathways throughout his levels that would take you to areas you never see. Tails can get height with his ability to fly to platform in higher landscapes that give you a sense of vertigo. If Shadow is in the game, he could have levels that have more challenging platforming that require more precision. Notice I said challenging, not broken and unfair. I think it's entirely doable.
@OgdenX
@OgdenX 7 жыл бұрын
And don't get me wrong; I absolutely love intimidating enemies that feel like a threat that needs to be dealt with, but for God's sake, give them the backstory they deserve. I honestly enjoy Infinite as a character but his history is just an afterthought.
@HareemByron
@HareemByron 7 жыл бұрын
If they do bring back the Adventure formula, I honestly don't want the mech stages or the treasure hunting stages to return. I only enjoyed the Sonic portions of SA2
@Kuzamer
@Kuzamer 7 жыл бұрын
Static Sonic Maybe they could try the Sonic 3 & Knuckles style with the other playable characters.
@Kuzamer
@Kuzamer 7 жыл бұрын
Hollys Anaele Exploration shouldn't be forced in Sonic like it was in the Knuckles Stages. But it should be an option. That's what made the Classics so great. They gave you options and freedom to play a Stage however you want. It doesn't force exploration like Knuckles in SA2 or forces speed like the Boost Games.
@OgdenX
@OgdenX 7 жыл бұрын
Shizzy Sevven that’s the point I’m trying to get across. Envision Sonic 3 in 3D. A 3D game that correctly captures the feeling the Genesis/Mega Drive games gave players. Not so much of the gimmicky stuff that 3D games introduced. Sonic’s gameplay in the first Adventure felt to me like the closest they ever reached.
@beta511ee4
@beta511ee4 7 жыл бұрын
_sees the ending_ True sign of a Sonic fan right there... (Wipes away tear)
@KidSnivy69
@KidSnivy69 7 жыл бұрын
It shows Johnny cares about the blue blur, no matter what people think
@bigathegamer3067
@bigathegamer3067 6 жыл бұрын
The fact that the main reason on why Infinite is the way he is, because Shadow called him weak is pathetic. Here's how i would've done it. My reason on why infinite has gone over to the dark side (and the deep end) is because he wanted to get revenge on Shadow for wiping out his entire squad and avenging said squad, and going after ANYOJE that shadow knows. shadow calling him weak was the straw that broke the camel's back, thus causing infinite to go insane after feeling intense guilt for not trying harder alongside his comrades. Then he would go after anyone that shadow knows which is why he would go after Rouge and Omega, shadow's closest comrades (using that word a lot huh?) He eventually met up with Eggman and push comes to shove, the two strike a deal to achieve each other's goals, Eggman gives Infinte the Phantom Ruby so that he can destroy shadow once and for all IF Infinte destroys Sonic. But that's how i would handle infinite's story in Forces.
@becdoesyoutube
@becdoesyoutube 4 жыл бұрын
Not bad at all!
@scribble71891
@scribble71891 4 жыл бұрын
That definitely sounds better than what ST delivered.
@psychie8625
@psychie8625 4 жыл бұрын
This actually sounds like it has effort put into it.
@ToadPlayer64
@ToadPlayer64 7 жыл бұрын
"Yet for some bizarre region, Silver's here so I had to fill in the gap somehow!" I died laughing at this for some reason! Also, Silver DLC please to explain this question?
@mikeanthony3300
@mikeanthony3300 6 жыл бұрын
The prequel comic of Sonic Forces explains that Silver (like Classic Sonic) was pulled into this mess thanks to the Phantom Ruby.
@ShadowPersona0
@ShadowPersona0 6 жыл бұрын
ToadPlayer64 I thought the events from Sonic 06 never happen.
@keeganstormblade5456
@keeganstormblade5456 6 жыл бұрын
Shadow 1233's Corner They didn't. The Silver we see past that is from the Rivals games.
@TrevorTrunks71
@TrevorTrunks71 6 жыл бұрын
ToadPlayer64 "To creating a spiffy bird called Frank who has good fashion sense, *but has seen the end of days* "
@emmanintendo9486
@emmanintendo9486 7 жыл бұрын
Johnny FORCES me to stay up late
@horricule451
@horricule451 7 жыл бұрын
Emmanintendo and watch Johnny
@Da_ComputerMonster
@Da_ComputerMonster 7 жыл бұрын
You too, eh?
@shadicnion500
@shadicnion500 7 жыл бұрын
sonic forces left me depressed. When I started I played episode shadow for the first time I had the biggest smile on my face but a few hours later when I best the death egg robot I just felt drained. I then went back and watched egg reverie and the final hazard. that got me back to some sort of happy medium but I think it just made me more depressed that the adventure formula has never actually had a fantastic game. then I was reminded what ted said about the adventure series and it age compared to when generations came out. overall I think I just want to enjoy a truly good adventure game again.
@MidnightLucario1
@MidnightLucario1 7 жыл бұрын
Dude if this was enough to depress you, you have stuff you need to work out.
@shadicnion500
@shadicnion500 7 жыл бұрын
don't get me wrong I have some other things going on in my life that are probably helping with that. but the last 3D sonic game with half decent control was sonic lost world and that game had a tube problem. or if you really want to get semantic the last sonic game with good 3D control, exploration, music, story, and climax was shadow the hedgehog. and we all know how bad that was. Sonic adventure 2 was my first video game ever and its a little depressing that If the current climate continues I'm never gonna be able to get a new experience like it. classic fans were able to get a massive amount of of things from the sonic hacking contest and on top of that freedom planet was also really good. I dono maybe I'm looking in the wrong places but the best 3D sonic to emulate the 2D style is just a tech demo made by a fan. sorry man its just hard to be optimistic about 3D sonic when such a half assed job was don with forces.
@La_Win69
@La_Win69 2 жыл бұрын
Its embarrassing to remember that “Mario Odyssey vs Sonic Forces” was a thing
@WayTwoEazy
@WayTwoEazy 7 жыл бұрын
Major step backwards with this game. I can't wait for the modding community to put these levels in generations so that everyone can see just how much better those mechanics were. No auto-pilot and a drift function. This game has way more problems than I have time to type but those are two major issues. Side note: That snake QTE should have been a chase seen where your'e running along its body and it strikes at certain points. how hard is it to let me play the game.
@Jtmissile
@Jtmissile 7 жыл бұрын
IIEz2 I like the idea of the snake chase. Could've made it like the GUN truck escape
@TechBlade9000
@TechBlade9000 7 жыл бұрын
Or Sonic 06 =-ish openess (Yes I'm using 06 becuase it tried to be open with it's level design and failed sometimes)
@Raspse7en
@Raspse7en 7 жыл бұрын
IIEz2 Forget Generations, I would rather have modders improve on Forces. Such as improving on level designs.
@bunsmasterbunny
@bunsmasterbunny 7 жыл бұрын
How did 06 fail in open level design? It's really fun to make your own pathways by crossing through the boundaries of the environment which is something 06 lets you do. It's the games' biggest saving grace for replay-ability.
@KaiserMattTygore927
@KaiserMattTygore927 7 жыл бұрын
+ TheZeldaExperienceWithin Eh, only like half of the levels even allowed for that and among them only crisis city, Kingdom Valley and End of the World were any fun.
@JH-xc9we
@JH-xc9we 7 жыл бұрын
I hate that Mania had to tie in to this game because when Classic Sonic leaves at the end of this game, we don't even see him arrive back home. Mania had to have it's best ending lead into this game and couldn't have a fullfilling best ending. One cutscene in this game showing Classic Sonic get back would've been a lot more satisfying.
@AK46supr
@AK46supr 7 жыл бұрын
Spiriten XIII manias ending was eh. Definitely wasnt “the best”
@JH-xc9we
@JH-xc9we 7 жыл бұрын
AK46supr By the "best" ending I meant to say the "true" ending, when you get all the emeralds.
@AK46supr
@AK46supr 7 жыл бұрын
Spiriten XIII ooooohhh i gotcha
@mikeanthony3300
@mikeanthony3300 7 жыл бұрын
We don't even know if he really went back home. The guy literally just fades away! For all we know Sonic and friends could of seriously messed up the time space continuum thus obliterating Classic Sonic. XD
@djinnhoopa7599
@djinnhoopa7599 7 жыл бұрын
Spiriten XIII Hearing modern Sonic say "Dont worry, im sure we will meet him again" got me scared tbh. SEGA ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, let the modern/classic sonic tie-ins end here PLEASE.
@labcatdog00000
@labcatdog00000 3 жыл бұрын
With Sonic 2022 on the horizon I came back for the speech at the end, I genuinely wonder how this series is gonna move forward
@J.R.Unbound
@J.R.Unbound 2 жыл бұрын
I have hope. They seem to want to improve, with how they have Ian Flynn writing the story and Aaron Webber (somebody who knew nearly all of the criticisms Forces was going to get) got a promotion, and the fact that they delayed the game hopefully means this won't be another 06, boom etc.
@Voltricity435
@Voltricity435 2 жыл бұрын
@@J.R.Unbound hopefully. frontiers looks to be a big budget game which we haven't had since unleashed so that's a good first step. internally delaying the game is good if it needs extra time for quality. hopefully they reveal a gameplay trailer at summer games fest and if they do hope it looks greart
@J.R.Unbound
@J.R.Unbound 2 жыл бұрын
@@Voltricity435 God, I didn't even think about having cutscenes on the same level as Unleashed's opening. ARgh I don't want to give my hopes up but I'm praying that this isn't another Sonic cycle
@starlightrose3237
@starlightrose3237 6 жыл бұрын
Everything about this game feels shallow and uninspired.
@ThatOneDudeWhoPostsStuff
@ThatOneDudeWhoPostsStuff 7 жыл бұрын
"Is it time to get some fresh, new people for the modern stuff?" Fun fact, this game's level design _was_ made by fresh, new people. Two, in fact, with the third being brought back from Sonic Colours.
@MidnightLucario1
@MidnightLucario1 7 жыл бұрын
Well it's true. Johnny asked for new blood, and it turned there was, what else do you want to hear?
@runman624
@runman624 7 жыл бұрын
MidnightLucario1 that they know how sonic works too He said not only new people But also that grew and knew sonic very well hiring new people that grew with CoD but to work on a mario game would end horrible
@MidnightLucario1
@MidnightLucario1 7 жыл бұрын
But what if they did grow up with Sonic like we did?
@JohnDoe-cc3rk
@JohnDoe-cc3rk 7 жыл бұрын
That one dude who posts stuff Wasn't he lost world designer? Most of generations and colours moved to Olympic Games
@haliekemp3860
@haliekemp3860 7 жыл бұрын
MidnightLucario1 then the game would of had been better..what more r u asking for? look at sonic mania that game was great and it was made by fans of sonic who knew what a sonic game should be
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