Johnny vs. Sonic The Hedgehog 4

[@SomecallmeJohnny]

Sonic 3 & Knuckles isn't episodic. Send Tweet.

[@niclaswa5408]

You forgot to mention that modern Tails is capable of fighting badnicks in this game, instead of being completely helpless in the boost games.

[@vanquese8947]

How do u write your scripts for videos

[@jjcoats2.022]

Sweet

[@ros9764]

Who would think it is?

[@oguzhangungor9117]

But...one of them came out before the other. Sorry, I don't have twitter so I had to comment here.

[@Zexxthecrow]

“Probably won’t be returning to it” Also Johnny 10-15 years from now “Continuing the sonic marathon we have sonic 4 episode 1”

[@SomecallmeJohnny]

Content creation is hard.

[@bobbyshewan4229]

@@SomecallmeJohnny get paid big man👍🏿

[@DaimoHope]

Or for the sonic hacking contest

[@theluigifan1]

He *did* say probably. : P

[@setsers1]

YES

[@thabreez456]

I like how in the original review of the game Johnny said He wasn’t a fan of episodic releases as Half Life Fans have been waiting years for episode 3 of that game. He was scared Episode 3 of Sonic 4 would experience a similar fate. Well…..here we are.

[@jefverstraete8574]

Sonic 4 Amy rose VR when ?

[@doclouis4236]

Sonic The Hedgehog 4: Episode 3 Steam Early Access exclusive only purchasable with doge coin.

[@russellbrown6888]

At least SEGA quickly announced Sonic 4 episode 3 was cancelled. Valve let HL2 Episode 3 hang in limbo for so long that it could never have lived up to the hype, and they STILL haven't officially cancelled it after almost 15 years. The best we have for a conclusion is the script that the lead writer posted on his blog.

[@hickknight]

When it comes to episodic gaming as they call it, I feel like a lot of developers what that entailed. Outside of the traveler's tales formula, none of them really knew how to use it. And now I look at FF7R... I doubt that was the intention at all. Has the 2nd part of it come out yet? Or the Yuffie part? Interstice or something, I don't know. Here's hoping that sticks to one console.

[@ikagura]

At least Half Life never got any bad game

[@realkingofantarctica]

Sonic the Hedgehog 4 is like the IRS. You forget about it at first, until there's nowhere left for you to run.

[@matthewrease2376]

I've never laughed so hard while being so scared of a comment.

[@KairiHawk]

"I don't care who the IRS sends, I'm not paying taxes!"

[@Evan.280]

😂 incredible comment!

[@Squishito]

I'd rather deal with the IRS than play Sonic 4 honestly.

[@darkskull1982]

Even the Joker would rather face Batman than deal with the IRS.

[@mushroomdude123]

I’ve never heard anyone talk about the history of this game. Knowing it was supposed to be mobile only explains so much.

[@lightgivemepower6425]

1 person actually did before johnny but he's not as big as Johnny.

[@eebu4053]

im sitler

[@lightgivemepower6425]

@@eebu4053 what?

[@jlev1028]

It's explains how crap the graphics were even by 2010 standards.

[@AdamTheFanatic]

I can't imagine ever playing a game like this on a touch screen.

[@SAPProd]

As a casual Sonic fan, I’m finally glad to learn the history of the production, the marketing shenanigans, and why it’s not held in the same regard as the classics. Thank you.

[@TheExFatal]

Fun fact, if you beat the leaked version of Episode 2, you'll be greeted with a "To Be Continued" message, which was removed in the released version

[@augustbornone]

I hope that there still a possibility for an Ep 3.

[@TommyDeonauthsArchives]

Oof...

[@DarkkirbyKRPG]

@@augustbornone It's been 9 years, let it go.

[@augustbornone]

@@TommyDeonauthsArchives What do you mean by "Oof....."?

[@augustbornone]

@@DarkkirbyKRPG I mean there is possibility, right?

[@GeekCritique]

If they were gonna bring back Little Planet, where were the Time Stones!? An updated, speedier version of the time travel mechanic could've been a great way to give Sonic 4's levels more incentive for exploration and variety, and it would have called back to Sonic CD without just repeating it.

[@snailgirl6]

As per usual, Sega and/or Sonic Team had a good Sonic game idea, and...then they just don't...

[@mobilesuitjesse]

Hey Geek Critique nice to see you here in s SCMJ video

[@AniGaAG]

True. Modern technology could've made for some _sick-smooth_ transitions as well, sending you just smoothly flinging back and forth between different time stages. And always nice to hear from you, Josh.

[@ChipsCST]

@@snailgirl6 They just see sale numbers and think “WELP! No one bought it. NEXT IDEA GO!” But now with the incoming Sonic Colors Remaster, this shows that yes, Sega DOES acknowledge past titles, for good or worst (though Colors was one of the good ones). I’m now just scared for whatever new (or remastered?) Sonic game they teased oh-so long ago..

[@dr6559]

@@ChipsCST And they botched the port somehow.

[@Salim-RS]

If I can thank Sonic 4 on any front, it made me appreciate retro games that much more when I was like 12. Used to enjoy the game, but once I tried Sonic 1 to 3&k at the time, my young brain asked "Why does this feel more fun than the newest title ?" But we now have Mania blessing us so now all is well

[@otsu3011]

Sonic Mania basically destroy sonic 4 in all perspective

[@theluigifan1]

I saw the bootleg Sonic 6 posted over on Facebook and somebody commented “What happened to 4 and 5?” We’ve reached a point in time where it’s become easy to forget about Sonic 4 now. Wew.

[@NimhLabs]

Like how they never made any sequels to the Matrix! The Wachowski Sisters knew the ending was perfect, and the story was handled good--and any further sequels would only serve to dilute the power of the Matrix and mess up the narrative

[@ChristianCTaken]

@@NimhLabs This is Animatrix slander

[@mjc0961]

@@NimhLabs Correct.

[@Chernobog2]

The trailer for Sonic Mania seems to suggest that it's replaced 4 as the 4th classic game

[@lworthy2518]

@@Chernobog2 Sooo, Sonic 4, ep. 1 & 2 = Dragon Ball GT? Got it.

[@sirminty8495]

"I'm sure if he were wearing Raycons they'd still be on his ears, concussion be damned." You had no reason to spit great jokes at me in an ad but you did it anyways.

[@averytubestudios]

"The 69 attack" I laughed at that way harder than I should've.

[@aionicthunder]

I was honestly dreading it: nearly everyone I know who’s done Sonic 4 Episode II referred to it as the 69 attack and I just wanted Johnny to be a bit less immature

[@jacobmonks3722]

@@aionicthunder Can't really help it seeing as...that's exactly what it is. At least Johnny took the joke farther than anyone else.

[@Tiggster-qr8mw]

I’m pretty sure he called it that in his original video

[@BComet]

nice

[@Substantial-hf1rm]

@@aionicthunder We're a bunch of nerds watching another nerd reviewing a game about two colorful cartoon animals fighting robots, maturity was never on the table.

[@DylanDude]

14:35 Don’t forget the SGB playthrough! Poor Elliot. Never got cut a break during these 2D games.

[@tailsprower8118]

No. No he did not. Getting a game over in World 1-1 will probably be forever the worst thing he’s done

[@holyrogue7811]

@@tailsprower8118 I don't know, Elliot dying in a Switch Palace is probably worse

[@jrhamari]

@@holyrogue7811 Though to be perfectly fair though why did that switch palace have a bottomless pit? It just made no sense.

[@tailsprower8118]

@@holyrogue7811 oh yeah I forgot that! Fuckin’ hell Elliot 🤣

[@Sonicfalcon16]

Cradh 3 aswell but then elliot came back and did really well

[@DanJilek]

What I like about these revisits are all the research segments Johnny has placed in, I never knew about that Sonic The Portable for years! Well done John!

[@Monroah]

17:13 Johnny actually sounds more exhausted here than during his day-long Sunshine streams. I feel that, after so many inconsistent years, but damn.

[@SabeNo-rh7mb]

Can you blame him? Sonic is one of his favorite franchises of all time. To see a series he grew up with go down the tube all because the people who own the IP care way more about shameless profits and quantities (so much to the point that they seemingly *Refuse* to hire more competent people who can do it justice) over actual quality has left him disillusioned. As someone who was introduced to the series with SA2B, I tried to defend Sega for the longest, but even I gave up after a while when it seemed like they were just too prideful to learn from their mistakes. *Even Clement was going to abandon the series before Unleashed came out.*

[@Monroah]

@@SabeNo-rh7mb As I said, I feel that, it's more that it hurts to see the guy so beaten down.

[@jaretco6423]

Yeah. I'm not an Sonic fan myself. But even I admit that the blue blur has been having an field day. He started off great. But than gets down with dumps. He has been really solid again, but not long started to go down into the junk pile. It makes me sad seeing an recognizable series having it's up & downs and it was mostly an letdown. Hope he'll find some way to recover.

[@Monroah]

@@jaretco6423 It's very appropriate that the series has a thing for casino levels, because each game ends up being a damn roulette wheel on whether it'll be bad, amazing, or meh.

[@retron99]

Blame Sega for being a bunch of incompetent failures.

[@TheBrokenMadMan]

Holy shit, that editing took an already funny review and turned it up to 11. Johnny, please hire Lewis again, he's really talented!

[@2000mphgirl]

that's so awesome lewis edited this! it's so cool seeing how far the bsc crew has come!

[@justkiet]

17:13 this small part HURT, you can tell Johnny is just tired of this shit man.

[@SabeNo-rh7mb]

That's what happens when you got people in authority who care way more about profit and quantities over quality. Sega doesn't get that. And at this point, I don't think they ever will. Even Nintendo, for all their faults and hubris, still know how to keep the quality of their star franchises up there, *especially* their mascot.

[@captinsparklezremix]

Rangers is going to make the feeling even worse. Sonic Team are a bunch of talentless manatees.

[@justkiet]

@@SabeNo-rh7mb Idk, Sega has seen huge critical acclaim in most their franchises as of late. I think it's something else...

[@justkiet]

@@captinsparklezremix I wouldn't say they're talentless. Look at the other games some of the Devs have made outside of the Sonic series.

[@SmashSSL]

@@SabeNo-rh7mb You do know Nintendo made Mario 3d all stars last year and skyward sword hd this year....

[@DoctorMinjinx]

Man I had no idea about Sonic 4's original history. You know it's dull when Johnny can't even muster up care for Slicers.

[@funnysonicman]

Even as a kid, I thought this game was weird. Before I really knew what a lot of proper Sonic physics, graphics, music, etc. were like, this game just felt off to me.

[@tyminator8176]

It's you!

[@CoalWurld]

@@tyminator8176 Nah it’s definitely the game.

[@splashor6361]

@@CoalWurld What if I told you it was actually ME?

[@funnysonicman]

@@CoalWurld Sorry, he meant that he recognized me. I make things sometimes.

[@legendarycryptid2629]

8:40 The experience is so dull, he doesn't even flip out over Slicers...

[@TommyDeonauthsArchives]

Wow... that is a change...

[@ibraheemali7028]

Damn...just Damn.

[@oguzhangungor9117]

Before I start, congratulations to Lewis for starting a new career. The video was really well edited, the footage complimented Johnny's script EXTREMELY well. Sonic 4 failed what Mega Man 9 and 10 succeeded. While those games introduced new level themes and went away with a lot of the problems in the previous classic games; momentum and slow latter climb from MM1 and 2, being unable to jump out of a slide while underwater from 4 and 5 (or period in 6), increased I-frames for the bosses that was introduced just to make the charge shot seem more useful, rush jet being able to take damage from 7 etc... They also kept the good stuff like the better menu from 4 and onward, and the overall classic Mega Man feeling ON top of having some of the best weapons in the series and having multiple characters. P.S 9,10 and 11 are my favorite Classic Mega Man games. Meanwhile, Sonic 4 only had 1 character, fucked up the physics and the momentum based game-play and a whole lot of other unique stuff from the classic games. It also has a REALLY boring art-style, if I am honest. If you are not going back to the classics, at least do what Mega Man 11 did and be stylized. We have Mania now, so who cares.

[@Super_Suchi]

I think the only thing 9 and 10 faltered in was removing the charge and slide. Feel like they didn’t need to do that. 11 definitely made a good decision to add those back.

[@theminecraft2516]

I’m sorry but 8-bit graphics aged so bad for me, Megaman 9 should have used 16 bit graphics like the X games

[@jaretco6423]

Yeah. Mega Man 9, 10 & 11 felt like an old style, yet newly Mega Man games than Sonic 4 has.

[@ctpp64]

the music was also still as good as ever, while sonic 4 fucked it up

[@shockvalue5086]

@@ctpp64 sonic mania isn’t above the any of the classic except cd and 1

[@cliffturbo2146]

It has always been a mystery to me how Dimps, the team that had made Rush and Advance games, could make such mediocrity.

[@WickedKnightAlbel]

Budget, presumably

[@ctpp64]

when you make a half decent mobile game but sonic team is like, "aight we changed our mind make this into a console game in a few months lol"

[@cliffturbo2146]

@@ctpp64 Dimps: God dammit Sega, make up your mind!

[@cixlo]

Coding commandos are Cheap & Quick. Say what you will about cheap and quick but it is profitable most of the time. 8 months for lost world 3ds.

[@mjc0961]

Because, look at Rush and Advance. Nothing but mediocrity there too. No mystery at all. All DIMPS games are the same: dash pads, springs, and bottomless pits.

[@LunarWingCloud]

Lewis did a great job editing for this one. You can tell the experience and long-term friendship you guys have because it blends really well with your video style.

[@JJ_R]

8:37 Johnny said Slicers *without* losing his shit?! Is he becoming desensitized?!

[@laurenchinsphealsupremacis9978]

He has overcome his ptsd. What great character development.

[@smashmaster521]

It's probably because they're a joke in Sonic 4.

[@gameman250]

It's Sonic 4, not even that game can make Slicers elicit the same reaction.

[@PersianSlashuur]

17:14 to 17:22 Man... I genuinely felt like a part of my soul _died_ while listening to this part. It's like...any kind of optimism I had just...evaporated. ...I think I need to be alone for a while.

[@MegaManNeo]

I remember having quite fun with Episode 1. However, now that Mania exists I don't bother going back. Plus, SEGA's idea to name the game Sonic4 because of marketing makes it... less good.

[@rivet3078]

Great re-review of Sonic 4 Johnny, and... at long last! The final BSC member made it into a Vs. video, and as editor no less! Stellar work there Lewis, hope we get to see you again in the role!

[@toonzach2870]

This is not Lewis's Johnny Vs. debut. I know Johnny has kind of disowned this video, but his old Vs. on Final Fantasy XIV was a collab with Lewis.

[@BH-98]

& yet he still hasn’t had a smash card intro

[@metashade4218]

Not gonna lie, Sonic 4 honestly made me appreciate the NSMB games more for staying true to their classic 2D Mario feel & gameplay.

[@BH-98]

That & none of them were trying to be flat out follow ups to the NES/SNES games, just new 2d modern Mario games

[@ikagura]

NSMB are overhated by petty and entitled people

[@ikagura]

@@BH-98 And then again Mario Bros 2 didn't follow the first in the west

[@jlev1028]

@@BH-98 *cough* New Super Mario Bros 4 *cough*

[@BH-98]

@@jlev1028 New Super Mario brps 4 doesn’t exist

[@YoungPringle46583]

S/O to Lewis for his editing job on this video! Great stuff-loved the energy of this video due to his work!

[@BugsyFoga]

“The friends are just collateral damage “ - Johnny

[@asbelirving5536]

"they can- they SHOUDN'T ignore that"... i felt that.

[@anthonymorden728]

6:17 this is why I like this guy so much! Thank you Johnny for your quality and objective reviews! I'm a long time listener and I like to use your videos to help determine if I want to try a game of not.

[@jbbajangamer]

Honestly I enjoy when somebody is able to critique something without making me feel like they’re hyperexaggerating all the time, and the opinions feel genuine instead of basically being the same thing some other guy had already said a million times over

[@tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32]

...it feels weird hearing Johnny talking about this game when he straight up abandoned both games.

[@papersonic9941]

Fun fact: Mr Needlemouse was a mistranslation, it was meant to be Mr Hedgehog. So the codename for this shoddy knockoff of the Genesis games is a name that wasn't ever really Sonic's. How appropriate

[@RepublicOfUs]

Watching Dana Carvey's face slowly fade into frame with all the SEGA guys made me laugh much harder than it should've.

[@BradsGonnaPlay]

I’ll never forget that the first time I booted up this game on my Wii after downloading- knowing nothing about it and being amazed to see it- and thinking it was a student-made game

[@yam9195]

i remember those animations. i also remember that animation called sonic generashorts and sonic stop motion adventures. god bless those animations they were childhood in the 2010s as well as sonic nazo unleashed

[@HoudiniJr]

Beautiful work as always, and much love to Lewis for his editing skills! He did an amazing job here!

[@taelorwest3707]

Been watching you and sgb since 2012, I’m glad you’re still making content💯💪🏽

[@Omar_E11]

The best reviewer on KZbin!

[@Evan.280]

I remember being super excited for Sonic 4 back in 2010. Now I think it’s just not good and am happy with Sonic Mania being released

[@rouge939]

This is like the only Sonic game I never see people defend.

[@Lunalite]

Well honestly I'd say it's because even people who enjoy it just see it as painfully mediocre so there's not really anything to defend Personally I sort of like the music but that's the only thing I'll defend

[@shockvalue5086]

I see EPISODE 2 as a good game when I detach it from the classics Episode 1-just no just a bad mobile game and a even worse console experience even in 2010 I thought it was just regurgitated sonic 1 with toy graphics,nothing redeemable except the compositions which did get repetitive Overall though i want the graphics of episode 2 with the level design and physics of mania that’s my dream 2D sonic game

[@ToastyMann]

Imagine if Crash 4 had like 12 levels, all of the bosses were repeats from the PS1 games, and the ending is just the same ending as Crash 1. That's Sonic 4.

[@Squishito]

And also the gameplay and physics are horribly mangled and Crash's basic abilities don't even work and instead of spinning into enemies he uses his melee attacks from the tattoo games and he uses that design too and the music is absolute dogshit and they release it episodically and none of the other characters or old features were there. That's Sonic 4.

[@MSCLeap75]

@@Squishito Also imagine if instead of Crash sending enemies flying fast straight into foes & crates with his spin like in the original, his spin instead lobs them in the air like 3 feet away(like in Twinsanity). Plus Aku Aku not protecting Crash from tnts & nitros like before in the originals, or invincibility not having music & sucks at protecting Crash(also Twinsanity). Lastly Crash taking damage while jumping on enemies. That's Sonic 4.

[@ikagura]

At least there are less bad Crash game (aside from the post Naughty Dogs ones)

[@URFTBOUND4LIFE]

@@Squishito You just reminded me how bad Twinsanity was....

[@jaretco6423]

URF. Twinsanity wasn't that bad.

[@gustavorodriguez5643]

Been having a couple of rough days recently, and these vids always cheer me up. Thanks, Johnny. ❤

[@rocketrifter]

15:38 "What can you do?" Ad: "She knows exactly what she can do."

[@jojoharder6906]

Johnny I just wanna say thank you for doing what you do man, idk why but for some reason in the past year or so this channel has become a sort of comfort zone for me, whenever I'm feeling anxious or nervous, I just put the Vs. Playlist on Shuffle and watch/listen away. And in a time in the middle of my college years where shit is stressful as hell and most of my closest friends just left for this semester, anxiety and stress is at an all time high. So thank you so much for what you do, I can't imagine how my life would be without this channel, never thought I'd say that ab some channel on KZbin of all things haha.

[@Gameguy26]

Damn man, gotta say that the editing was super on point in this video. Really accentuated the finer parts of the review while helping a lot of Johnny's jokes land all the better. A very enjoyable watch from start to end. - Smartass commenter

[@neroneroren6788]

Episode 2 is a huge improvement over 1, but I remember vividly finishing the game with a big headache due the music

[@CragusMaximus]

Ye, awful soundtrack

[@ikagura]

Slightly less trash doesn't mean it's not trash

[@digimonlover1632]

@@ikaguraThat’s your opinion. I have to agree with Nero.

[@slaper12x]

Perfect timing, I just got back from shopping and now get to unwind with some Johnny goodness!

[@34_Conflict]

Did you buy some Raycons?

[@slaper12x]

@@34_Conflict Pfft, I've actually owned a pair of black ones for years 🤣

[@expcake]

man watching you take on these games again for videos really shows how your style has improved for the better over the years

[@Njsmooth60]

12:08 "Sorry Wii owners" It's fine, store shut down anyways so... _scoffs_

[@apollorock3r244]

13:59 Gotta love that he still calls that the 69 Attack from the previous review of Episode II. XD

[@KewlSokudo]

so does this mean we're missing out on a remade Sonic 3CD & Knuckles & Knuckles review?

[@General_Q]

sometimes i sit at the beginning just to listen to your amazing theme song johnny

[@AnkfordPlays]

I remember telling people "just you wait, Sonic 4 will revive the series!" when the announcement came out

[@Seiyol]

cosmic oof

[@Ronnie06spartan]

For me Sonic 4's main issue was the title. If it would've been called literally anything else, I wouldn't have as big of an issue with it, but calling it "Sonic 4" gave it really high expectations. Those were huge shoes to fill, and it didn't live up to the name. It wasn't *that* bad, but it absolutely pales in comparison to Sonic 1-3. I mostly hated the awful physics in episode 1, and the unoriginal zones that were basically just offbrand versions of classic stages. Still wish they'd re-release Sonic 4 with both episodes together in one package, and maybe some fixed physics for episode 1. Still feel that Mania is basically the true Sonic 4 lol

[@sterlingmuse5808]

Not just the title. They put SO much into the marketing for this game too. I bet they were hoping to get an easy New Super Mario Bros response but weren't willing to put enough money in to actually do that.

[@jaretco6423]

As unoriginal as NSMB are, even they had some detail quality than this.

[@Tobunari]

And because of that we got the terrible viral video that is aknotholeresident (Richard Kuta) complaining about Green Eyed Sonic, and that inevitably led to Classic Sonic

[@Buttington_Headerson]

@@jaretco6423 that series ran itself dry but the games themselves were all very competently made

[@thegreatgatzby1997]

Johnny time again!! I've been loving these Sonic reviews so much!

[@rajend8]

2:16 oh my... absolutely ruthless editing haha. kudos

[@cibby6155]

In an alternate universe, these games were called “Sonic Mania” and Sonic Mania was called “Sonic the Hedgehog 4”

[@kgddrago3752]

I still love that the sonic mania trailer just pretends that sonic 4 doesn't exist on that elevator lol.

[@tracyndiyob162]

i love that as well as it's ending kinda being a take that to episode 2's lame cliffanger.(which ended with little planet still in the death egg where eggman could just restart it while you save little planet in mania's ending.:3)

[@cakelayer]

it wasnt intentional lmao, whats up with EVERYBODY hating sonic 4 like its the necronomicon of sonic games

[@Jtmissile]

Who else has their early copy of Sonic 4? Those special stages were nuts.

[@Jtmissile]

@@diydylana3151 Chances are you've probably found the video but I'll explain anyway. Before episode 1 came out, Johnny and Eliot made an April Fools joke video where they got an early review copy of the game. It's really funny and I recommend giving it a watch.

[@Monroah]

Also, love the edits in this vid, I cracked up at several points. Well done, Lewis!

[@supergxtor]

@SomecallmeJohnny should totally tackle the DKC series in the future👀

[@Fabriciod_Crv]

Sonic team is still on this ''Sonic only'' schtick to this day.

[@retron99]

06 really traumatized them

[@Fabriciod_Crv]

@@retron99 that was also like, 16 years ago, they should've moved on already

[@pizzacade8594]

4:09 "Needle mouse" is actually a mistranslation of the Japanese word for "hedgehog," and wasn't actually an early name for Sonic.

[@peenywallie]

It's insane how prevalent this little "factoid" is, despite being so obviously wrong.

[@NimhLabs]

Mistranslations have become a part of the gaming aesthetic--especially retro gaming related stuff. Two good examples are: "A winner is you" and "All your base are belong to us" You should know this, you spoony bard

[@DirectorOfChaos9292]

I'd like proof there

[@retrofan93]

@@NimhLabs Ah, "spoony bard", a phrase so iconic that even years after better translation efforts, it is still included.

[@pizzacade8594]

@@DirectorOfChaos9292 This video kzbin.info/www/bejne/aoGviYl5p7GlqM0 at 5:47

[@LizardOfOz69]

Bro, the Metal Sonic theme is lit. I can't believe you lumped it in with the rest of the 4 OST.

[@SnaksiXD]

Facts.

[@LizardOfOz69]

@@SnaksiXD I just feel his Mania bias has basically impacted my enjoyment of this video. The 4 games are just ok, and yet he acts like this is another low point that can stand toe to toe with freaking 06'. Even if he didn't mean that, that is the vibe I'm getting.

[@Super_Suchi]

@@LizardOfOz69 Bro he was really not that hard on sonic 4. Watch Cybershell’s video if you really want to see someone being harsh on Sonic 4.

[@shinji2898]

same with episode 2 being less original, i feel it revamps existing concepts way better than the first episode tbh

[@LizardOfOz69]

@@Super_Suchi in a way, saying that something is soulless (even if it is true) is more depressing than someone shitting on it. I feel like he can't judge the games without thinking of the title. The only thing that is "soulless" is SEGA's decision to change the name and make it a multi-platform title.

[@fignatoli-guevara5826]

By the way, fun fact, Sonic 4 Episode 2 was the second to last Sonic game Dimps developed, with the last Sonic game Dimps developed being the 3DS version of Sonic Lost World.

[@RemLasher77]

So that’s why Sonic could stand on wall in Sonic 4: Episode I it was the remnants of the original mobile game’s roots.

[@RisingJericho]

Wait... Little Planet is inside the Death Egg... Did Eggman technically build a Dyson Sphere?

[@skyhawk9710]

I remember when Screwattack hyped this up at SGC 2010 like it was the biggest game ever. Funny (and sad) looking back.

[@toonzach2870]

Funny, I was always under the impression that they hated Sonic.

[@ikagura]

@@toonzach2870 So?

[@theshadowdirector]

The story bebind these games sounds like classic Matt McMuscles material.

[@retrofan93]

Ironically, I have been getting into his videos a lot lately, and it has truly open my eyes to how much bullshit there is in the video game industry.

[@KremBotop]

20 seconds in, wooo!! Usually have busy mornings so it’s nice. Really liking this retrospective... despite barely having over an hour of playtime of any classic Sonic game. Just can’t get past Labyrinth Zone act 3...

[@jrisjris]

I have over 20 hours in sonic 4 episode 1 and I do not know entirely why. I loved that game, and still go back to it every now and then. I genuinely think if it was titled anything other than sonic 4 it would be looked at in a more positive light. But sega did a sega.

[@andrewbaxter64]

Do you guys remember when the game was revealed and people went berserk over Sonic’s modern design? I think this was one of the main factors of the whole ‘classic vs modern design’ war in the fan base. Oh my god, does anyone remember AKnotholeResident?

[@y2commenter246]

You've uncovered uncomfortable memories I forgot I even had.

[@kirbdabirb5627]

"Almost like it was suposed to be a mobile game" This single sentence sums up Sonic 4 ep 1/2

[@isaiahthechristiangamer8716]

3:43 I like how you’d mentioned the soundtrack as Sonic is just covering up his ears.

[@marblethunder4323]

"I am of the firm cynical belief that the reason that it was called Sonic the Hedgehog 4 was simply to push units. And the reason it went multiplatform was because if they did lock the next numbered entry behind mobile phones fans would collectively go ape-shit." "Do you guys not have phones?"

[@retrofan93]

I've never really cared for anything created by blizzard, but I think about that comment more and more, even before the lawsuit coming to light and all the bullshit surrounding it, and it legit makes me angry on behalf of the fans.

[@teamsonicforcesquadts8858]

Damn poor Johnny sounded so disappointed throughout this video. And I definitely felt it when he was talking about how it feels like Sega just doesn’t know what their doing anymore. But hey this year with Sonic colors:Ultimate and next year with that new Sonic show,Sonic Rangers and the sequel to the movie it seems like this’ll be his comeback season

[@TFSned]

"If they locked the next main entry to mobile phones, fans would go apeshit". Time is a flat circle. I'm glad I still haven't used my free trial for Apple Arcade.

[@AwijoshSun]

Ken tried so hard to market this game. You could tell he knew the game was soulless, too

[@JonyPlayz1]

Both episodes are really great tbh, they are so underrated

[@skeletongwen]

To any younger fans who missed out on the sonic 4 experience at launch, i recall a popular video that explained that if u input the homing attack late, your airdash would re-roll u into a ball to hit enemies to maintain the flow of the originals. Our copium during these times was hardcore

[@SmashSSL]

Internet: makes... questionable sonic fanart Sega: Sonic and Tails shall canonically 69

[@austinstewart7601]

00:40 I find it funny that the carpet is so sparkly clean and then there's just a lump of a man laying full spread in the middle.

[@georgecortes3416]

11:37 John, you are playing with FIRE in that edit! If people weren't asking "When Sonic.exe Nightmare Beginning", they'll CERTAINLY be asking for it now! Sonic.exe Spirits of Hell is better anyway; it's hard AF though.

[@FireSonosuke]

Alright, I'm loving all the editing that Lewis did for this video. Kudos to the both of you.

[@AlphaPHK]

14:30 Nah Johnny, you did a SGB Playthrough with Elliot back in 2014. I remember because Elliot does that bird scream while crashing the plane into a wall and killing you both, it was a fun let's play :D

[@wyatthines8690]

Your videos increase in quality every single release. One of the best on the platform! Thx John

[@BugsyFoga]

The fact that Sega took a simple mobile game and rebranded it to Sonic 4 to sell numbers is a pretty hilarious thing to know.

[@zeospark9715]

5:15 LOL that barrel really wanted to hog the spotlight to itself

[@cibby6155]

Even when I already thought this game was inadequate as a sequel to the Genesis games, Sonic Mania comes along and becomes the final nail in this game’s coffin.

[@thegoodreview7854]

Man those Auctioneer lessons are really paying off, I thought I had this video on 2x speed during the sponsored AD part of the video

[@HarpiePlayerJoeHPJ]

Man this is Lewis first time editing and what a job amazing job Lewis

[@SuspiciousScout]

I can't help but feel this "series" was nothing but wasted potential. Despite how negatively received Episode 1 was, Episode 2 felt like the devs took all the criticisms people had and tried to fix them as best they could. The visuals, controls, level design, everything was at least a little bit improved from Episode 1, and with some more time I think it could've started to live up to the reputation of being called Sonic 4. This was entirely on Sega for forcing a spinoff mobile game into something bigger than it was supposed to be.

[@guardian7106]

Hard to believe this game is over 10 years old 😮 I remember seeing the teaser for this back in the day

[@pentap]

as someone who grew up watching your videos im glad you are still going strong to this day!

[@EmeraldUltima713]

17:13 I feel you man. What pains me the most about this is that they had something going with Colors and Generations. After that, they just keep making odd decisions for the sake of taking the franchise into new directions instead of improving on the foundation they had with those two games. Then Forces came out, and... it's like they forgot why people liked Colors and Generations to begin with.

[@OneTrueNobody]

Yeah, they even managed to botch basic stuff in Forces like Classic Sonic's control feel. It's so... weird.

[@EmeraldUltima713]

@@OneTrueNobody Hey, Lewis! Thanks for the response, man!

[@maliikcoopermedia1926]

ITS THE FACT THAT YOU SHOWED MARIO AND SONIC AT THE OLYMPICS TO CALL THEM OUT ON HYPOCRISY FOR NOT HAVING YOU TOP 10 FOR MEEE😂😂😂😂😂😂 you really did get better at these videos I’m a young media professional and now that I’m older I can appreciate what it takes to put out an amazing product like this

[@mredbadger]

I remember feeling like I was going mad during the buildup for this lol. When I was younger, I only really played sonic on gba and ds. I didn’t get all the excitement for the “first new 2D sonic in years”, which just looked like a worse version of those games without all the extra characters and cool bosses. Like, we’d been getting new 2D sonics every other year and they looked way better than this!

[@Da_ComputerMonster]

_"Look how OLD you've become..."_ *Me looking at Sonic 1/2: Dimps Edition*