Joker 2 Folie a Deux is WAY WORSE Than You Can Imagine...

[@realjesterbell]

Friendly reminder, WB quote "BEGGED" Todd Phillips, the director of this turd, to be the CEO of DC Studios before James Gunn. If you had any hope for the future of DC...

[@zaidbaker7031]

Well thank god he's done with DC universe because absolutely f these 2 joker movies since they are worthless to watch

[@owenharrison761]

that's because they were desperate, they understood how lucky was marvel to get feige, someone that isn't perfect either, but did a good job, being the ceo of a whole studio with so many tasks and parts is difficult

[@jeremyrivera7079]

Damn. Todd being the number one choice gives me low hopes for number 2😂

[@Ultriac301]

I have never seen more clueless brand owners in my life than the infamous WB Executives. The " masterminds " behind Batman & Robin and JOSStice League.

[@ClassicHarleyQuinn]

@@realjesterbell I'm pretty sure Todd didn't even want to make another Joker film. I'm pretty sure he came said he didn't not long after the release of the first one. I could be wrong though.

[@dereklopez9060]

"Do you wanna know how I got these bad reviews?"

[@TheMelMan]

😂😂😂

[@John_Joel_Glanton]

My faaaather

[@anubusx]

lol.

[@christaylor7916]

It was a troll job lol

[@pokemon200016]

"You see, my faaatherrr...was a director."

[@sumdood7410]

The movie is a fuck you to the people who loved the first movie.

[@deangagatr3886]

No it isn’t it holds a mirror up to the people who loved the first movie just like how the first movie holds a mirror up to society

[@kiowah231]

@@deangagatr3886 Sounds like copium

[@deangagatr3886]

@@kiowah231 or maybe actually understanding what the movie stands for instead of Todd Phillips hated Batman he wanted to destroy the Joker that we all love that he created but that sounds more logical to the haters though Lol

[@taffysaur]

@@deangagatr3886 But Jester says that this one completely negates the premise of the first movie, which by corollary negates anything THIS movie might be trying to say (and she also says that this movie doesn’t manage to actually even make its ostensible point anyway). If the first one was about “holding a mirror up to society,” then what is the point of now saying that actually society wasn’t to blame for anything in the first movie? Likewise, as Jester also says, Phillips seems to be going with this manufactured media strawman of the fans of the first movie, so if it is “holding up a mirror” to them, it is a warped funhouse mirror. Or more accurately, a caricature of Phillips’ own creation which doesn’t resemble its subject in the slightest.

[@spacewinter]

​@@deangagatr3886 I understand that theme, but it was executed poorly. That theme could have been interesting given a better plot abd development of Lee's character and new supporting characters.

[@chasehedges6775]

Joker 2019 will always be a standalone movie, IMO.

[@igormarins1227]

I find the movie to be awful. The only good thing were the memes.

[@Green_Justice5389]

I won't watch the first or the second because they just aren't Joker to me. They just use the IP.

[@NerdcoreWasTaken]

@@Green_Justice5389 same with me and the deadpool movies, I wont watch any of them for the exact same reason - theyre simply borrowing the ip. I am not serious this is a silly take lmao, you cant watch a movie to see if its a well made movie? comic character IP aside at least dislike the movie for the movie

[@thevalkyrie8]

I think this film might ruin feeling for first

[@chasehedges6775]

@@thevalkyrie8 Im just gonna pretend the sequel doesn’t exist

[@Devorador_de_sonhos]

For a few moments I thought the film was going to criticize mental health care systems, because of the way the guards treat Arthur, that scene of abuse, but no, not only do the abusers get away unharmed, the victim is stabbed to death.

[@megsley]

well that's modern storytelling for you - the bad guys win because "realism" and the audience NEVER goes home happy.

[@ki11aqueen5]

They literally raped the joker out of Arthur bro.

[@menace2society00]

It really made no sense, everything gathers to a point of tension. In the first movie Arthur develops Joker to combat and disasociate from these tramautic events. The ending of "Yeah I had bad things happen to me but I shouldnt react to it" has no supporting scenes whatsoever that would help him even lead to that decision.

[@domanskikid]

@ Devorador_de_sonhos It wouldn’t have been so revolting if it didn’t end on the “you get what you fucking deserve!” line, as he was shanked. I mean….what are they saying? The constant neglect/abuse he received was deserved? Getting killed instead of rehabilitated was deserved? He did bad things, but Christ, it’s like the movie swept ALL the bad things the faulty mental/justice systems/society did under the rug and pinned it all on one guy that never had a chance. It’s gross and a negligent way to write, but the film makers believe it was deep.

[@matane2465]

What's with these recent DC projects and being afraid to use the characters names. "We won't call her Harleen Quinnzel or Harley Quinn for short. We'll call her Lee." "We won't call him Oswald Cobblepot. We'll call him Oz Cobb."

[@insertclevernamehere1186]

Lee is at least a real name. Who the heck thought "Oz Cobb" was a more realistic name than Oswald?!

[@harleybtasfan90s]

@@matane2465 ikr, it's like they're afraid of using the names

[@harleybtasfan90s]

@@insertclevernamehere1186 lol agreed

[@ligeiasiren4290]

But she is called Harleen Quinzel in the film. They do say her full name at one point.

[@temperino]

Bc they think the original names are too "Goofy" and think it would "detract" from the "realism" the movies and shows try to portray sooo bad

[@snowbunnie1113]

All they had to do was adapt “Mad Love”. That was it. The story was literally already written out for them!

[@notyouraverageharleyquinnstan]

Right? It's not that hard! That's the route I was hoping it would go

[@eduardoalvarez7546]

But nooooo they can’t do that because that means you hate women and wanna see them dependent on an abusive relationship which is misogynistic and not simply just a story for a character that remains in fiction. What are you? Some sort of incel woman hater?? Touch grass chud.🥴

[@harleybtasfan90s]

@@snowbunnie1113 seriously!

[@notyouraverageharleyquinnstan]

​@@eduardoalvarez7546💯

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

Unfortunately, the suits will never let that be adapted accurately because something something New 52 "Harley".

[@jeremyrivera7079]

Joker was a great movie. Too bad they never made a sequel

[@victorfatalys1076]

I bet it would have been a turd tho😉

[@ligeiasiren4290]

It wasn't TBH.

[@juuchanIRL]

promised neverland wants its second season back.

[@BadBrucey]

They did make a sequel it's called Joker: Fol...oh, you've repressed it from memory already. I wish I could.

[@kitkat88816]

I thought the first movie was terrible 😂 it was just very dull and arty with him dancing for half the movie

[@divinecomedyproductions967]

They wanted to “atone” for making a movie liked by “the wrong people”

[@Maehedrose]

As a mentally ill person, with many of the same conditions Arthur suffers from, I am angry that they went back on the themes of the first film - which had made such loud and important commentary on the subject.

[@samueltitone5683]

I think Joker 1 had a good message about mental healthcare. Not sure why the media made it seem like it was some school shooter’s fantasy. Maybe because it was also critical of the mass media

[@JurassicRod]

The establishment don't want that message put out there or to appeal to you as an audience. That's why they've now undone it all.

[@ligeiasiren4290]

​@@JurassicRodIs not the "establishment". The first film appealed to really unintelligent men, and the director felt unsurprisingly repulsed by it, lol. The fanbase that the movie gathered, was cringe. And everyone involved in the film's creation, was embarrassed by it. That's it.

[@JurassicRod]

@@ligeiasiren4290 What an ignorant comment. Not only ignorant of male mental health issues and the underlaying reasons why so many men may have connected to the first film but also ignorant of how a business should work to be successful. The first film made over a billion. For a company to decide that audience aren't good enough and try to push them away is foolishness, especially spending double the budget to do so.

[@blacyc]

As a singer same as Lady Gaga, I agree

[@KirkWilliamsIsBroken]

"How do we punish the audience for liking the wrong film?" "Make an unnecessary sequel that undermines & ruins the film they liked?" "Perfect! Do it!" "But won't that upset the audience?" "Screw them! What do they know?!"

[@HOTD108_]

This is a level of conspiracy thinking that would make the residence of Jonestown say "touch grass" lmao.

[@KingKali-u4n]

@@HOTD108_ you're great at log lines🙂

[@DJJunkfoodJay]

Warner Bros has a troll director problem. Remember when the Wachowski made Matrix 4 as a supposed f U to the studio too?

[@qui-gonrick7002]

It was an f u to Keanu and Carrie Ann Moss too. Probably a f u to the Wachoski's careers too, especially with the other box office disasters they've had.

[@Trazynn]

Wachowski didn't want a fourth Matrix at all but couldn't veto that. So the choice for him was to either direct it or see someone else do it.

[@robchuk4136]

Taika Waititi made Love and Thunder as a troll, too. Hollywood at large has a troll director problem

[@KRobinson-ko1ne]

That was so dumb It’s obvious as a mushroom cloud WB is in on the gag: no one is sticking it to the man It’s akin to Vince McMahon always playing the heal, to distract from his real life controversies that is

[@DisabledDoll]

@@Trazynnweird that they didn’t do direct as they usually do tho i wonder what the deal with that was

[@kolkagaming1234]

When I was watching Joker Folie a Deux I thought to myself as Minako Aino from Sailor Moon once said: “I guess this is what it feels like to wear the shoe the other way round”

[@AydenMartinez-iv3jt]

"Beggars will be choosers"

[@kolkagaming1234]

@@AydenMartinez-iv3jt Is that a quote from a character as well?

[@AydenMartinez-iv3jt]

@@kolkagaming1234 Yep, from Minako Aino

[@kolkagaming1234]

@@AydenMartinez-iv3jt Oh nice, it sounds very lovely. Ima be honest Minako’s voice sounds much cuter in the Viz Media Dub.

[@anthonywayne2754]

Oh you sweet summer child, they can always make movies worse…

[@lil_dak_1587]

American Psycho 2 can't be worse than this.

[@AnneHathawayRules]

​@@lil_dak_1587 I mean American psycho 2 is bad but I would still say it's better than joker 2

[@bubba418]

​@@AnneHathawayRulesare you for real? At least joker 2 had a logical soundtrack to the theme it depicts. Not some spomgebob squarepants banjoo music when someone gets killed in american psycho 2.

[@AnneHathawayRules]

@@bubba418 American psycho 2 is so bad it's good. Like you can watch it and make fun of it because it's so bad. Joker 2 is just so bad it's bad. The only good thing I've heard anybody say about it is the cinematography, which was really good but everything else was garbage. You can't even roast it with your friends, that's how awful it is.

[@Fe_Sc]

Man I was played HARD by the trailers. My expectations were so high, this is the most disappointed a movie made me since the force awakens

[@idiot_city5444]

The trailers were horrible

[@domanskikid]

@ FeCoringou Can’t have bothered you TOO much considering your profile pic….

[@zxyatiywariii8]

I payed to see The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. Ever since, I don’t pay to see movies until I hear a good review by a reviewer I trust. It's saved me money and time.

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

A good Joker and Harley movie would be something like Natural Born Killers. I watched that film in my Film Theory class earlier this year, and it baffles me that something like it wasn't the direction WB went with for a sequel to 2019's Joker. You'd have maddening visuals, you'd have a perfect opportunity to adapt Mad Love RIGHT (basically frame it like an old medical drama the same way the main couple in NBK's first meeting is framed like a macabre I Love Lucy parody), you'd get a lot of in-character Harley (if the suits let her be the pathetic, dependent girlfailure she's meant to be), and you'd have 2 hours of the Joker being a flamboyant, sadistic killer and abusive freak.

[@victoriagarcia3078]

That actually makes perfect sense, especially with the subplot in Natural Born Killers about the media turning Mickey and Mallory into celebrities for killing people. You know what: let’s all just watch that movie and pretend that Joker: Folie a Deux never existed.

[@P.Whitestrake]

It's WB, mate. They love to play safe because the studio is run by overpaid idiots.

[@thiscorrosion900]

Natural Born Killers sucked ass. I saw it opening week and it sucked. I hated it.

[@jturner2577]

That would've been fantastic.

[@kennethwilliams7731]

I've gotten so burned by modern films I refuse to expose myself to 99% of what's released.

[@xypher321]

*your wallet liked that*

[@mariasol1545]

its like they wanted to undo the message incells took from the first one "society owes me" but instead of going it in the delicate way such a complicated topic should be handled, they made a musical

[@Dru2037]

Sure you will

[@zxyatiywariii8]

I can count on one hand how many movies I've seen at a theater since they reopened after the Pandemic. My wallet is very happy, and I've found so many good, old movies online which I hadn't seen before. Hollywood can keep putting out crap, I'll ignore most of it and go to see the few gems which somehow manage to get made. It'll probably be at least another year before I need to start counting on my second hand.

[@KingKali-u4n]

Joker 1 & 2 are not modern films, both are based on other films from the 1980's. Joker 1 is king of comedy, joker 2 is pennies from heaven.

[@Oliver.Verdant]

This movie hates you

[@AscendantStoic]

From the moment it was announced that it was a "musical" it was clear that it's going to be absolute shit, it was an absolutely nonsensical decision, not because musical are bad, but because it doesn't fit at all with the tone set by the first movie.

[@mariasol1545]

its like they wanted to undo the message incells took from the first one "society owes me" but instead of going it in the delicate way such a complicated topic should be handled, they made a musical

[@zxyatiywariii8]

How did they think a musical would work? 🤔🤷🏾‍♀️ Such a weird idea.

[@alexanderpabon2933]

I think a better movie would've seen Arthur Fleck in Arkham Asylum, surrounded by would be Jokers. Maybe William Dafoe could've played one of these aspiring jokers since he expressed interest in playing the titular clown prince of crime. I don't know, just spit balling a rough idea and throwing out there.

[@The_Based_Batman]

It ends with Willem Dafoe stabbing Arthur and running off screaming "THE MCRIB IS BACK!!"

[@alexanderpabon2933]

@The_Based_Batman YES! Based Batman, we need to write this screenplay ASAP!

[@The_Based_Batman]

@@alexanderpabon2933 Forget Todd Philips, we'll get Tommy Wiseau as director and screenplay by Neil Breen. The loose plot is Arthur is in prison but hears that the McRib went out if stock. If he can bring it back, he can get out of prison and freed of all charges. I don't know. Every scene past that point has Willem Dafoe chanting "McRib" in the background. Arthur also has sex with a McRib. In court, he argues that the McRib needs to be put back onto the menu, teases Gary with a moldy old saved McRib and instead of Lady Gaga, Harley Quinn is played by Lizzo who explodes through the court and kidnaps him. Arthur escapes and is brought back to prison. Keep in mind too, Willem Dafoe is still chanting McRib in the background and just standing there. THEN he finally kills Arthur and yells "The MCRIB IS BACK!" And he also eats a McRib that makes it look like a joker smile with the BBQ sauce. I probably put more love into this shitpost than Todd Philips put into this sequel.

[@alexanderpabon2933]

@The_Based_Batman Hmm. I think the summary should go something like this: Arthur Fleck stands trail after inciting an insurrection against McDonald's that resulted in the death of several Gotham citizens. He must prove to the court that it was the McRibb that caused him to become radicalized. Proving such a thing won't be easy for him, however. While awaiting his trail in Arkham Asylum, Fleck bumps into McRibb enthusists (William Dafoe and Lizzo) who threaten his life if he succeeds in blaming the McRibb for his crimes. Now, Fleck must make the difficult choice to either save himself or the McRibb.

[@alexanderpabon2933]

@The_Based_Batman Okay, so here goes my summary: Joker: Folie a Menu Arthur Fleck stands trail after forcing McDonald's to bring back the McRibb through the use of violent protests across Gotham. Fleck must prove to the court that it was the McRibb that caused him to become radicalized. Proving such a thing won't be easy, however. While awaiting his trail in Arkham Asylum, Fleck bumps into McRibb enthusists (William Dafoe and Lizzo) who threaten his life if he succeeds in blaming the McRibb for his crimes. Now, he must make the difficult choice to either save himself or the McRibb.

[@someother5512]

I can feel Jesters pain, her being a big Harley Quinn to this...

[@notyouraverageharleyquinnstan]

Same💔

[@doro626]

The only thing. ONLY thing about this movie I was interested in, was a different portrayal of Harley Quinn. WE have a different version of Joker in EVERY movie, but we only really get one version of Harley.

[@ObsidianFane]

She's an obnoxious character in every version

[@Someguy_9]

There's a Batman Telltale game! Watched a let's play of it. Harley has a minor part in it...she's a manipulative, domineering person, as I recall. Joker's basically a Batman fan-character. It takes liberties and risks, not saying they work, but it might be worth looking at.

[@SprangBrake]

Borderlands, Madame Web, Joker 2, we eating good at the razzies

[@AnneHathawayRules]

Oh shit, the razzies are gonna be FIRE this year!!! 😂

[@Mordeairayne]

The Crow

[@AnneHathawayRules]

@@Mordeairayne oh man with the crow I think we just named all of the "worst movie" nominations this year!

[@omegamark9178]

it has gotten to where the razzies have stronger depth than the oscars,,, lol AND smh

[@AnneHathawayRules]

@@omegamark9178 I don't give a crap about the Oscars, but I'm actually pumped up for the razzies this year 😂

[@newdefsys]

The Joker _film_ is a character study and while Phoenix gave an excellent performance, the film itself was made to stand alone, distinct from the Batman franchise. I'm guessing the decision to make a sequel came from some studio exec who was far more interested in $$$ than artistic expression. Studio Exec: Hey, you know that thing you did that made us all that money ? Yeah yeah yeah, do that again.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

Yeah, I heard he hadn't planned to make it. I can imagine it being rather like: Studio exec: _We want you to direct a Joker sequel!_ Todd Phillips: _No, it was made as a stand alone movie._ Studio exec: _Oh come on, we'll give you whatever you want!_ Todd Phillips: (Thinking: Oh damn, how can I get them to stop bothering me with this?) _Okay, give me a $200 million budget, and it's gonna be a musical!_ Studio exec: _It's a deal!_ Todd Phillips (Thinking: Oh shit. . . )

[@newdefsys]

@@zxyatiywariii8 I had assumed that 'Joker' (2019) was an experiment to see how the audience would react to Phoenix as the new Joker, since Jared Leto's performance had mixed results. If 'Joker' had bombed then it could be written off as an _alternate_ _universe_ and forgotten. But, since 'Joker' was a hit I was fully expecting 'The Batman' (2022) to have Phoenix reprising the role, but we got 'Folie A Deux' instead and now everything is a train wreck.

[@TheGuesteMC]

Joker 2 : Jokes on you. Thanks to these reviews I won't be wasting my time with it

[@Riversdoc11deff]

Please don’t . I did , got invited fortunately, it was torture

[@somethingawesome9547]

It's hard to not call everything the-worst-thing-ever because the overwhelming majority of content made today would have been laughed at if it was released alone side anything that came out more than 10 years ago (actually, more than 5 years ago even). And I'm not just talking about shows/movies about heroes, but shows/movies in general. We have a lot of exposure to "the good stuff." And this isn't coming from a place of nostalgia. It's literally not too long ago where we had more good shows/movies than we knew what to do with. So many good works out there that we had BACK LOGS! On the balance, the stuff coming out since the lockdowns isn't bad, it's TERRIBLE.

[@AnneHathawayRules]

Yeah if You released today's television alongside of breaking bad or sopranos or even Oz, people would laugh at today's media back then AND today

[@eliel14ful]

The true decline of quality

[@AnneHathawayRules]

@@eliel14ful People just gave up. Why do something cutting edge and take a risk when you could be paid millions to work on one of the 6870 projects marvel and DC shits out on tv and movies year after year? That's why this week I don't care if it sucks or not I'm going to see megalopolis. Because Francis Ford Coppola actually sold off most of his own wine company to make it. It's an independent film and he's going for something outside of the box. I don't care whether or not it works I just appreciate that he's trying something different.

[@kregorovillupo3625]

Since lockdown? Way, way before: since Trump was elected president. All Hollywood went mad about showing people how wrong that was, and educate them, and injecting theyr "good" politics to fight the "bad" politics, and starting calling fans -ists and -phobes when they shat out Ghostbusters (2016) "... and it's a good thing", remember? I would put the milestone there.

[@humanwarnings1]

Arthur and The Joker are two separate personalities or identities? The whole point of the first one was that he finally and victoriously found his real identity as the joker. So this movie sounds like it is taking back that victory. Who wants to watch a movie where the protagonist just consistently suffers and fails on every level? That doesn't even work with art films.

[@Simbala-bq5vy]

I saw on IMDB that it has the same score like Hannah Montanab and Violetta... Excuse me?! They both have 5,4 on IMDB Hannah Montana and Violetta are way better than this! And yes Im a Hannah Montana defender, this show didn't aged poorly! Nevermind. Joker Foliè a Deux has now a IMDb rating of 5,3. It no longer shares the same score with Hannah Montana and Violetta.

[@eduardoalvarez7546]

Like you said Jester; I was just as confused when it was revealed it was a musical but I was still optimistic because I was so hopeful in assuming the musical portions would match certain moments of psychopathy between Joker and Harley when they do something evil. But then when it was revealed that Phillips basically made this movie as a hate-letter to “fans” who put the character on a pedestal, assuming EVERYONE who saw it believes Joker is a morally superior and correct character - when in fact, it’s from those small niche Internet forums/communities that are actual incels and loners with a distorted worldview that are not representative of the entire audience. Goes to show that creatives are so far up their ass and have no interactions with regular people and just look at a few opinions on the internet.

[@The_Based_Batman]

I saw a comment that said the sequel should have started with Arthur in Arkham Asylum and you think it'll follow the plot of the first, but the twist would be him going "Arthur? My name is John." Then have it be revealed that the last movie was completely made up and we have a new origin story following a different way someone could spiral into the Joker.

[@leileyaravencroft]

Oooh! That sounds interesting

[@harleybtasfan90s]

I thought the Looney Tunes intro was good. I agree that the scenes are very random and that there is no plot to the film. There definitely were a lot of unneeded scenes and rehashing of the first movie. When it comes to Harley, we got way less of her than they let on. Once they broke out of Arkham, I was assuming the mayhem of Arthur and Lee would begin and it never did. It was just the musical aspects instead. Some of em were nice and the rest were unnecessary. Very repetitive as you said. I wanted so much more of Lee's story and there wasn't much of it. We didn't get enough of her to learn much. I wanted a Bonnie and Clyde dynamic in this as well. The musical sequences we'rent tied into the story well. It got completely lost. This movie had so much potential. What a shame. The acting between them was great and i wish we got more of that because the rest of the movie was off

[@ClassicHarleyQuinn]

Next Stop Venom: The Last Dance. Knull is apparently going to be in multiple films.

[@Ultriac301]

I absolutely hate the character and the new Venom stories.

[@Chuck_EL]

​@@Ultriac301 I'm calling it Knull will be depowered, he'll be played by the cop who got infected and venom and Eddie will not be killed nor sacrificed and we'll get another Venom attaching to Spiderman tease for them to use to get another spinoff movie

[@idiot_city5444]

​@Chuck_EL the cop is Toxin, if they make him Knull then they are even dumber than I thought

[@Chuck_EL]

This is why The Entourage show mocked Warner Brothers in the mid to late 2000s

[@DisabledDoll]

Omg I forgot about entourage aquaman with Mandy Moore

[@playablecharacter3871]

I went and saw it yesterday at 10:30 cause my job got rained out; I really enjoyed the music as a musician and fan of old classic showtunes/musicals but the plot of the movie swerved off of cliffs repeatedly, every time it started to say something it would get abandoned, and then the ending just took a dump all over everything

[@cameronscott7304]

The other thing is why would anyone want to see two movies of a guy just getting abused and mistreated? Two movies of Arthur just getting crapped on. Such misery p0rn

[@edselgreaves6503]

They made it for feminists.

[@ligeiasiren4290]

Well, the first one was that, and it was universally praised, despite being awful, lol. The second is literally the same, except it explicitely makes it clear that they find the audience for the first film, to be lame. Understandably so, lol. Both movies are bad. The only difference is that in the second one, the idea is: "BTW, we don't like you guys" 🤣.

[@alarrim29574]

@@ligeiasiren4290always thought the first one was a bad movie that happened to have a great acting performance from phoenix. Never got why it was loved so much but then again most of the hate it got was also dumb since it wasn’t this movie ain’t good hate, it was this is incel, school shooter fantasy porn hate😂

[@fraterseeker]

@@alarrim29574 Of course you two "wouldn't get" the first film, and would think that those who did were lame, because you've never had to experience what it's like to be a man who is discarded by the world.

[@alarrim29574]

@@fraterseeker you know nothing about me and said that I didn’t get the film or have nothing to the experience you described. 😂and I never called anyone lame. But you are for making all these assumptions with no knowledge

[@philingrouille7198]

Good or not, the first Joker felt like a self contained story, so I can miss this movie all together and nothing would feel different.

[@harrydbastard]

How hard is it to do a hard R Arkham asylum movie based on the Grant Morrison comic. That should have been the sequel.

[@dante6985]

Todd Phillips is high on his own farts and thinks his Taxi Driver knockoff is "cinema" so Warner Bros gives him full creative control and 200 million.

[@datboi7160]

The one thing I hate more then this movie, is the people that just say "ha incels dislike this" when I've seen plenty of women who also dislike this movie. I don't get how anyone likes this, there's no character arc for anyone. It's just Arthur fleck getting beat up.

[@Cousinbiddy1]

Women can be incels as well

[@JarlBarbossa]

"Incels h___ it" More importantly, nobody likes it.

[@JurassicRod]

The first movie that made over a billion dollars appealed to the ''wrong'' audience so they've made a sequel to sh1t on customers of the first film and appeal to the elusive modern audience.

[@ObsidianFane]

Sounds like your imagination

[@omegamark9178]

​@@ObsidianFanewell the first one made a ton of money while this one bombed bigger than hell,,, who's living in reality again?

[@ObsidianFane]

@omegamark9178 yah bud....I'm sure they made it to " shit on customers" that sounds like a very likely reason

[@omegamark9178]

@@ObsidianFane there is an old military saying: once is happenstance. twice is coincidance. three times is blatant enemy activity. either these companies are clueless/imcompetent to the point of inhumanly possible OR there is an agenda. hate to say but "go woke,go broke" is a scientific law on the level of gravity at this point

[@omegamark9178]

@@JurassicRod jeez yt is just blatant with the censorship at this point

[@anthonyduran7553]

Childish behavior when writers some how make good movies only to follow up with weak sequels openly mocking and insulting the fans. Easily TERRIFIER 3 is expected to succeed way better by comparison because the fan base is respected. Side note I also recommend THE SUBSTANCE as a bonus.

[@jturner2577]

The Substance is fantastic especially in terms of body horror.

[@junerummy2462]

I'm not a hardcore Joker fan (or DC fan in general), but I did see the first movie and understood why everyone liked it. The sequel should've been a lay-up.

[@andrewharris1344]

Was it so hard to have a mad love + boney and Clyde type have film using Joker and Harley. Why have Harley if she’s not going to stay with the joker.

[@NASAVids24-h9m]

Amen.

[@MundaneThingsBackwards]

So she can prove herself to be a strong independent wahmen...again.

[@groovysnake6664]

Her leaving the Joker was probably on Todd's checklist of "things to piss the fans off" he wanted to complete

[@666deadman1988]

I enjoyed the first movie, but it became clear to me early on that this isn't really the Joker, it's just a crazy guy in clown makeup. It almost felt like a scam, that Todd Phillips couldn't get his Scorcese ripoff script green lit without tying it to an existing IP. This just feels like his bluff was called for this one because it feels like he's grasping at straws to create an unnecessary sequel.

[@AnneHathawayRules]

ABSOLUTELY. I have said that about the first one from the very beginning... It's not the joker you can tell that they slap the joker in with a rewrite at the end of a taxi driver rip-off movie to make money

[@Cousinbiddy1]

Bullshit! Arthur fleck is the joker!!! Don’t be a hater!!!!!

[@Cousinbiddy1]

@@AnneHathawayRules Bullshit! Arthur fleck is the joker!!! Don’t be a hater!!!!!

[@questworldiangreenknight7455]

It kills me how musical movies keep turning out to be bad. It’s so frustrating as I am a die hard musical lover and I had a faint hope that maybe this might be great, oh well at least I won’t waste my time with it.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

Ikr, good musicals are hard to make, and this definitely wasn't the story for a musical.

[@Tool30301]

@@zxyatiywariii8 I would actually like to see a dark musical with Joker and Harley Quinn however not a jukebox musical, make music specifically for this movie.

[@questworldiangreenknight7455]

@@Tool30301 I agree

[@Joe_334]

Matilda had a musical on Netflix. Never again...

[@questworldiangreenknight7455]

@@Joe_334 was it that bad? It was never my favorite musical and I thought the movie adaptation of the musical was okay. But as a not a big Matilda fan I can’t really judge.

[@darkstarmedia]

When I read that it was going to be a musical, I knew it was going to be a cringefest. When I read that Phoenix, Phillips and Lady Gaga would sit in a trailer and "rip up the script" on the day, I knew this was going to be a bigger cringefest.

[@tequilaghoul]

It's ok to say what you want of any movie. Even if it happens to be negative. If not you become Chris Stuckman.

[@Lauren007E]

True, but there is some truth in calling everything "the worst this year" makes it loose its meaning

[@tequilaghoul]

@@Lauren007E not really, up to whatever point it is said it is still valid. Just because the previous worst of the year got beaten by another does not mean you can not repeat it. I guess say "the worst this year so far"? But my comment has nothing to do with anything being called the worst, it's about it being ok to give negative reviews/opinions.

[@Lauren007E]

Oh, right sorry I thought you were talking strictly about her hesitant to call this the worst since she said it about Madam web and borderlands. Although I think we can all agree this year has been a race for last place lol

[@tequilaghoul]

@@Lauren007E I totally forgot about Madam Web...and I just saw it some weeks ago lol.

[@Lauren007E]

@@tequilaghoul lucky lmao

[@tradford]

Rich Hollywood people not going to let that poor people Joker rebellion thing stand.

[@micmaliss]

I should have walked out, too. This movie was absolute trash. It was not The Joker or Joker. The film literally tells us that. So, we were all conned into watching two movies about a man that was not who we were told. False advertisement. The Joker is an intellectual property. So, to reveal that he is not The Joker or Joker is underhanded business. The audience deserves an apology and refunds. Yes! Give me my money back.

[@SarahBullard-c4l]

I was hoping it would be good. I love Lady Gaga and I had a really powerful experience watching the first film. I watched a free showing at tthe public library about a month before covid lock down. More than half of the audience were homeless people who were there to get out of the cold for a couple hours. At the time I was living in a halfway house and this context really underscored the themes of mental health and class in the film.

[@rosyvision]

Joker: Fully A Poop

[@AnneHathawayRules]

I'm stealing this 😂

[@manujohn99]

🤣🤣🤣

[@scrublordstephen5109]

You know, if DC truly wanted to make a great Musical idea? They could have used a Batman villain whose whole gimmick is music, The Music Meister! In the past Neil Patrick Harris played him, imagine if we got a different stage actor to play him in a classic La La Land style film with a psychological thriller side. It could feature some popular Batman characters as well and give each their own musical style, like I’m thinking Riddler could have either a showman or Elton John style, Magpie (who’s a kleptomaniac villain obsessed with anything shiny) could have either a tango, or Maria and The Diamonds style, Scarecrow could have a Billie Eilish style, and Harley Quinn could have an electro swing jazz or vaudeville style. Music Meister could either have the music in his mind or make it his own powers forcing people to sing their inner thoughts like in the show Batman Brave and The Bold. If I was casting I’d choose broadway actor Aaron Tevitt as Music Meister, Anya Taylor Joy as Harley Quinn, KZbinr Annapantsu as Magpie, Neil Patrick Harris as The Riddler, and maybe Adam Lambert or Caleb Hyles as Scarecrow.

[@notyouraverageharleyquinnstan]

Sadly, not the movie I dreamed of, but I thought Gaga's Harley was great, just very underused. I really wanted to see way more of the two of them creating chaos in Gotham, but most of it was in the courtroom. Some of the music scenes were great, and some were unnecessary. I really think they should've gone the "Mad Love" origin story approach and had her come in as Dr. Harleen Quinzel. I don't mind her as an inmate already, but we didn't get enough of that. The ending sucked and I don't understand why they killed him off that way. Another thing Harley wise that I was happy with was the fact that she loved Joker and wanted him to be Joker, not just Arthur, himself. That's on brand with pre new 52 Harley, at least. And of course, her color scheme harlequin outfits are gorgeous. The musical aspect did ruin the hype for the movie so I knew this wouldn't go amazing lol I get some of the reasons why people dislike it. It is not what I wanted. Overall, there were some few specific scenes with them that I loved. If only there were more of them. I honestly loved Gaga in this like even more than I did Joker. I thought she was fantastic in the amount of time she was given. I wanted more of her.

[@darthtepes]

Tell me something, my friend. You ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@EatWave]

Ironically, they turned the persona of The Joker into The Laughing Man from Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, an imitation of an illusion.

[@orkutfinance]

Unessesary Sequels always suck hard

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯💯 YEP

[@AnneHathawayRules]

Beetlejuice 2 was fun as fuck. Same studio, same unnecessary sequel, completely different result. It's stayed true to the original and it was fresh and fun, with just enough fan service and nostalgia but not relying too hard on it. Funny how WB wanted to release BJ2 straight to streaming and Tim Burton had to take a budget cut and FIGHT to get it in theaters 😂

[@amekgomo5250]

Everyone was right to worry when we saw gaga and then heard the word "musical"

[@tiborkovacs5317]

Maybe the real joke is on the audience...hahah good vid thanks.

[@pablosonic892]

I knew the first place to check in on this was our resident content comedic genius and of course did not disappoint. Just your pronouncing of the foreign subtitle making it sound like the 'Duh' from the No Duh phrase. Thank you for your online support group helping us through this most trying challenging time, this our cultures' darkest hour ...

[@jonahlynx94]

LMAO you're so right. It's impossible to discuss how bad this movie is without sounding hyperbolic. It's actually crazy. It's like the film was written to INTENTIONALLY self-destruct.

[@anondalorian3719]

This movie is the cinematic equivalent of doing your homework on the bus on the way to school

[@magnusmotor1364]

This film does have one novelty (i am sure created by accident): here we see a completely new version of Harley Quinn. Lee is a ruthless, manipulative person that uses her charm to achieve her goals.

[@AnneHathawayRules]

EmPoWeRmEnT

[@LoveEachDay94]

@@AnneHathawayRuleswhat lol what?? 😅

[@jturner2577]

Didn't Mia Sara's Harley Quinn already do that 22 years ago?

[@nikosalexopoulos6542]

Which is another negative of the film, as Harley Quinn is the opposite of that.. Joker 2 is a movie about a Joker that is actually not Joker and a Harley Quinn that is not Harley Quinn... Bravo Hollywood.. Next time make a film called Superman that is about the exorcism of a young kid

[@josemanuelmunizherrera920]

Kinda sad that the Joker movie never got a sequel. Similarly to other great movies that never got a second outing, such as The Crow or Pacific Rim. Truly a pitty.

[@kregorovillupo3625]

You forgot Mulan: if it wasn't a traditional story, it would definetly had a second cartoon expanding on it. Because what's the point of making, I don't know, an Alice in wonderlands 2?

[@masterxeon1001]

so sad for dc. I saw this movie. It hurt me inside badly. 6:55 explains so much

[@ladysnowblood]

im keeping my memories of Joker. This never should of had a sequel.

[@OrthwormJEB]

Thank you for your sacrifice, JesterB. I'm still on the "This movie didn't needd to exist." camp. Glad I have no interest in watching it and hearing how the film ends is an insult to the prequel imo. Also I find it funny your camera died as it didn't want to watch you talk about Joker 2.

[@Thurmanatr16]

Joker Struggle Snuggle: Electric Bugaloo.

[@JohnHenrysaysHi]

Great Bouncing Clowns, Good Day, and Happy Halloween Harley Hype Funny-over-Fear Friday, JesterBell! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and glad you're enjoying X-Men comics still! Thank you, JesterBell! Nice Harley fans like you are a light in the world.

[@dinoro5016]

Idk...when joker said "What are we? Some kind of folie deux ?" I thought it was cinema

[@LaPaisiblePetiteGnomette]

31:11 I agree with you, I just don't understand why she accepted to get her important scenes get cut off... She has so much potential as an actress, she was good in A star is born, House of Gucci and AHS. I don't know if it can damage her career, she had other dramas about her looks, things she said or performances she made that in fact were really controversial enough to destroy her career but it didn't. For Todd I think he can retire now, nobody at Hollywood will find him enough credible to allow him to produce new movies... For Joaquin... I really like the person he is but also the actor, but he always repeat the same mistakes. He modified the plot of this movie, he left the filming of Todd Haynes movie, etc... Why does he did that ? He worth better than that. I didn't watched the movie yet, some ppl told me that it is good and some other that it was bad. I don't think it's possible to make a worse movie than any unoriginal movies like Madame Web or Borderland... I think it can be deceiving but not the worse. Ok now DC give us Harley Quinn good comics. 😭

[@notyouraverageharleyquinnstan]

Thisss👏💯

[@AnneHathawayRules]

Joaquin Phoenix doesn't do sequels and this is why. I feel like this is the first time he actually sold out because it was just way too much money to say no to.

[@LaPaisiblePetiteGnomette]

@@AnneHathawayRules It's probably that 😕

[@AnneHathawayRules]

@@LaPaisiblePetiteGnomette I mean he has selected his roles carefully and everything he has done as an actor has been to challenge himself. I was surprised he signed on to do the first Joker. But realizing youre 50 years old and you're never going to be offered tens of millions again is very hard offer to turn down.

[@SammaclauseGamgee]

Cant wait for the people who made the movie and all their friends come out and blame the audience for not liking it because theyre just too simple to understand it.

[@harrydbastard]

I've had those conversations with Snyder fans 😂

[@chrisshirley4137]

Glad to hear you plug Transformers One. It hurts to see it struggle at the box office despite being by far the best film in the franchise.

[@RacingSnails64]

Damn...it sucks to keep hearing this movie dropped the ball so hard. I was fine with all the concepts I was hearing, but the execution...damn :(

[@Hunter-yj6zb]

Joker 1 was outstanding which makes the abomination of Joker 2 even worse. Phillips obviously hates the fans and the character now. He shouldn’t be allowed to make another movie it’s that bad. Joker 2 should be remade by someone with a brain.

[@victorrt]

it's joking time

[@KaiHouston-m6j]

Then they joked all around!

[@Nigel_Constantine75]

Jonkle

[@VirginMostPowerfull]

I cried so hard (while laughing). Trully one of the jokes of all time👌

[@DanielBMaximoff]

Everything with HQ in live-action sucks. 🤣

[@harleybtasfan90s]

They never get it right😂

[@DanielBMaximoff]

@@harleybtasfan90s To think this all started with Mia Sara, lol

[@0nlinediariesXoX]

Even TSS (2021)? That was a great movie imo

[@harleybtasfan90s]

@@0nlinediariesXoX I did love that movie

[@harleybtasfan90s]

@@DanielBMaximoff ikr lol

[@docker4671]

the man walking past the window was more terrifying than joker 2

[@Basackwrds]

Ive never realized how much you look like Elijah Wood till i saw this thumbnail.

[@seanengland821]

I would have been happier with a spoof movie of the movie Joker had made about him. Movie ends with a pan out to Joker in jail, finishing the movie about himand just saying, "That wasn't any good."

[@jennythapamagar7914]

I never had high hopes for this movie even before I heard it was a musical.

[@lonleylink507]

i was so angered at the ending that i just angrily walked out of the theater. usually when i go to the movies i get a large popcorn because i can refill it(and because im a fatass) i was so angry i didnt even get my popcorn refill because i was so offended at the ending i also burned my ticket

[@datboi7160]

WB clearly doesn't care about making good movies

[@noahidecomics]

The movie was a good idea. The ultimate projects will gradually work through the repetition and slowly develop a more coherent vérsion.

[@gary.420]

Poor Todd Phillips, he just retroactively ruined what is probably the best movie he's made so far, just because he wanted to be politically correct.

[@cotopaximusic]

Joker 2 Fully Doo Doo Joker 2 Fully A Dud Joker 2 Electric Boogaloo

[@HanaNoMachi]

Being ashamed of and wanting to distance yourself from a movie that grossed a billion is genuinely wild. Like… Hollywood elites are a different species wild

[@JarlBarbossa]

that's antisemitic

[@NoirNameless]

It’s not the worst this year when Borderlands and Madame Webb exists. This movie at least had some scenes and ideas that could’ve worked had it been given better context and written differently. But man this was really disappointing, because I love that first one. The relationship between Joker and Harley not being expound on greatly after coming off that first one is really sad, because this could’ve been an incredible twisted love story given how intricately the writing in the first truly focused on Arthur’s psyche. Could’ve been so interesting to study what happens when a man like Arthur and a lonely psychiatrist somehow become fond of each other.

[@tedoyle99]

Jester is broken. There is only one Joker movie

[@KRobinson-ko1ne]

Yeah, and it’s Mask of the Phantasm!

[@tedoyle99]

@@KRobinson-ko1ne I hear it's amazing

[@KRobinson-ko1ne]

Oh man you haven’t seen it?! It is basically a feature length episode of the animated series but it was such a great show and every episode feels like you’re watching a film noir

[@narata1541]

Every time we think we saw the worst movie or show of 2024, Hollywood always seems to surprise us!

[@_BhagavadGita]

Every scene in the trailer is like "look at me, how cool am I". I was half expecting a scene where Gaga and Phoenix sniffing their own farts from wine glasses.

[@daustin8888]

Between the Leto incarnation and this catastrophe...I think I'm over the character of The Joker. It isn't an overly complicated character, but gets treated like one.

[@lepersonnage371]

After wathcing it, tbh this is a realistic and true to the character sequel. Not that it's good but it's just that there is nothing else Arthur could have been but what is shown in this movie. Realistically he's not up to be The Joker, but still they could've done the sequel a lot better, or not make it at all

[@meunome8220]

3:25, look at the window

[@VainVVS]

Caught that too

[@zaidbaker7031]

36 minutes! This doesn't look good and i bet she's super mad , watching it right now

[@mitchellangelo86]

I appreciate your opening statements. We just want good entertainment.. we don't want to hate everything. But they keep putting out crap that we don't like, and call us -ists and -phobes when we dare voice our thoughts. And then they wonder why no one is going to the movies, or watching these shows...

[@rosyvision]

I care about Arthur. I think most of the audience cares about him. Its Todd who doesn't care about him and with this movie, it shows because even though Arthur was being beat on and mistreated in the first movie, he defended himself. In this one he has any power he gained completely stripped from him and is demasculated, turned into an absolute cuck of a punching bag. Lady Gaga's character also serves to put him down as weak.

[@tylerlong5112]

Even when this movie was announced people where making jokes like Joker 2 no 💵 - alright 👍

[@OrthoLou]

When early reactions said that it was "bad on purpose" and "has contempt for its auidence" and was "one big troll," I thought they were exaggerating and overreacting......... They were actually being tame and putting it lightly! Anyone else notice the whole thing with Zazie Beetz, how she said that she had to move away because people were sending her nasty messages and threats over how they portrayed her in the movie they made off of the events..? Was that NOT supposed to be "commentary" on the stuff that they claimed happened with people like Kelly Marie Tran and Moses Ingram? Like...think about that in the context of the first movie and tell me how it makes sense and why they would even wanna bring her back AT ALL if not for that..? Why would her character be in a TV movie about Arthur when she was literally just a person who lived in his apartment building that he just broke into once and then left? (There goes the mystery of whether or not she lived...) This was just 2 hours and 20 minutes of fans getting the middle finger lol. And a weird obsession with sticking it to Inn-Cellz. The first one had nothing to do with sexual frustration, but they emphasized it a lot in this one and leaned into him being a weak man who created a character to play this alpha facade. And then he's humiliated and broken down in the most nightmarish way imaginable and ultimately discarded. And these particular fans also have this done to them, figuratively, through him. Hell, him saying "please stop singing" got some laughs because he is speaking for the theater, like they knew most people would hate it lol. "There goes your symbol of rebellion! HA-HA! He's not even the REAL Joker. He's just a weak loser like YOU!" Pretty vile stuff...

[@robchuk4136]

Joker needed Batman to save him from those prison guards. What kind of institution is Gotham running over there??

[@Twin_Takoyaki]

Todd Phillips taking the media’s perception of Joker fans at face value, despite criticizing it for sensationalizing things in the film, is kinda crazy.

[@sumdood7410]

More like joker folie a Dud 🥁

[@blazingmonolith4323]

Was waiting for this one. Love you're takes Jester.