Joker 2 Is A Box Office Disaster: What Happened? - Charts with Dan!

[@TheWisestWizards]

I don't think I've seen word of mouth this bad for a highly anticipated movie ever.

[@pzsilospasz2668]

Morbius sitting pretty with its C+ cinema score. A common Morbius Win.

[@mariajosenegueruelalopez2453]

Jared Leto laughing maniacally...

[@matthewhunter1193]

Also Madame Web

[@mariajosenegueruelalopez2453]

​@@matthewhunter1193Leto was furious Phoenix 's Joker was more popular than his...😂

[@brianthomas7014]

I propose we start calling Sony's bootleg Marvel movies "The C+ Cinematic Universe"

[@jenisia3600]

Morbin time🎉

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

Never clicked on an episode of Charts this fast. what an absolute calamity of a film

[@bradleyklicsu573]

Did you really hate it that much? I definitely didn’t love joker but I don’t think it was as bad as everyone says

[@rickyrodriguez5226]

DC needs one every couple years 😩

[@Scareafier]

​@@bradleyklicsu573nobody cares what you think..it was a travesty

[@will88TFs4Life]

Cant wait for next week

[@Samuel-p17]

It was fun and gave us a more interesting take on the Joker than the first movie that was just "what if Scorsese made a comic book movie"

[@sudevsen]

This is a performance the actual Joker would be proud off. Todd Philips is an agent of chaos.

[@nms7872]

everything burns

[@mac4974]

If only there were an image of the Joker burning a mountain of money to work with the memes here...

[@Ramiroocampo]

Joker fanboys receiving the proverbial pencil to the eye

[@c.s3369]

Facts this is exactly the reaction the joker would want 😂

[@KeithFraser82]

"I just...do things."

[@theomnitorium7476]

The fault is absolutely on Warner for giving Joker 2 a $190 mio budget. That is so unnecessary for a movie like this. You could have easily made it with a budget close to the original one's. Hollywood needs to stop making everything a ~$200 mio blockbuster.

[@dan_hitchman007]

Phoenix didn't want to make another Joker movie. Part of it was giving him a cash incentive and then Lady Gaga didn't help, even though she is more like a cameo. BOOM! There goes the budget.

[@theomnitorium7476]

@@dan_hitchman007 Pheonix initially didn't want to make another one, Todd Phillips initially didn't want to make another one. Warner thought they could force them to make another hit by throwing all the money at them. In a way, I think Phillips might have made this movie exactly as it is to spite WB.

[@chrisytfc879]

​@@theomnitorium7476That seems unlikely, this bomb will probably tank his reputation for a while. He's not getting a big budget any time soon.

[@theomnitorium7476]

@@chrisytfc879 logicaly I would agree, but failling upwards seems to be a thing in Hollywood.

[@perlitalaguna6622]

I bet Lady Gaga's mega ego demanded a big pay-out. Movie could have done slightly better had they cast a relatively unknown singer. I passed on the movie bc I don't like Lady Gaga. And alot of ppl feel the same.

[@ther3aper561]

A movie made by a couple youtubers beating Megalopolis in its second week is hilarious

[@MysteryMii]

And its only playing in 1/6th the number of theaters Megalopolis is playing in lol

[@ther3aper561]

@@MysteryMii I didn't even catch that 😂

[@ther3aper561]

@Odonates-Wings 😂

[@MysteryMii]

@Odonates-Wings There. You happy now?

[@Taco1011]

"Much like the result would be if I entered a 10 person race, My Old Ass ended up in 9th" lmao My Old Ass is the movie title that keeps on giving.

[@jessrl8025]

I expect Joke 2 to do well in streaming. People are curious as to why it is getting such horrible reviews, but they don't want to spend money to see it in theaters.

[@dannysmi7162]

@@jessrl8025 Yes, that’s always what people say. Bad content is the king of streaming. People want some mindless content to watch in the background.

[@bigwig252]

Why would people bother if the movie has such shit reviews.

[@ZachBobBob]

@@bigwig252 It happened with Madame Web, it was a HUGE hit on Netflix.

[@FlagCutie]

​@bigwig252 because if it's free on a platform you're already paying for, why not?

[@eternalfailure4081]

@@bigwig252 Dan shows the streaming charts, bad films get big views... for a short time at least

[@JMANB5]

I'm seeing The Wild Robot a second time this week and convinced some friends to join me. Terrific movie.

[@mediaikonz]

Trying to make this happen with the family. I just really want to see this movie again.

[@pk251]

amazing movie, everybody should see that instead of jonkler 2

[@BrianThibodeaux]

I agree, took my daughter opening weekend. Now want to take the whole family. It's such a good move.

[@adraino7345]

Did the same except with my fam not friends

[@robpagenkopf5829]

2018-2019: Aquaman, Captain Marvel, and Joker made $1 billion+ each 2023-2024: The Marvels, Aquaman 2, and Joker 2...woof It's actually fascinating how the Alice in Wonderland (2010) to Alice Through the Looking Glass drop was the oddity, and now it's becoming the norm. Looking forward to your breakdown when it comes to Joker 2, Dan. Charts is a Monday staple for me.

[@IsaacV24]

And guess what? The Lion King remake has a sequel on deck in December. Is that going to make $1 Billion? I don’t think so so that could be 5-for-5

[@robpagenkopf5829]

@@IsaacV24 That movie is the ultimate question mark. Either it's a massive failure and continues this trend of billion to flop, or it's a financial success and the Twitter/Reddit/KZbin crowds are left wondering who is actually seeing it.

[@_jolie_]

​@@IsaacV24 I don't want Barry Jenkins to be attached to a major flop 😭

[@JoeJoe-lq6bd]

I think it made more sense with the two Alice movies though. Burton's Alice in Wonderland was generally not received that well. It was a pretty bad film that got a big box office because of marketing and anticipation. People didn't care to see a second. I think you could make the case that the two other superhero films you mention were much the same: mediocre-to-bad films that didn't leave people wanting more. Joker, on the other hand, was well-received. I didn't care for it much but a lot of people did so Joker 2 doing so poorly seems like a new thing to me. The brands have been killed but a pattern of bad storytelling because studios think they can coast once a brand is built.

[@LinkMarioSamus]

Joker’s Rotten Tomatoes score is between those of Captain Marvel and Aquaman, and all three are above Alice in Wonderland. I think the hype for them just died out because they got lost in the sea of 2010s mega-blockbusters.

[@GhostRydr1172]

TikTok spoils movies in a flash, and word of mouth spreads faster than ever. Which means that a lot of its target audience decided to skip Not Joker 2.

[@SHOUTxHIxHEYxHELLO]

seriously this. People have been filming the ending and posting it to tiktok, I scrolled by the end of Joker 2 several times over the weekend,

[@GhostRydr1172]

@@SHOUTxHIxHEYxHELLO hell I've seen most of Deadpool & Wolverine on TikTok by now, and never went to see it at a theater. That's how messed up the situation is for Hollywood and theater chains.

[@NegitoroIsBestShip]

As a Joker 1 fan who decided to skip based on word of mouth you 💯

[@david88464]

​@@GhostRydr1172But for D&W it worked on the other side, it convinced people who weren't convinced to watch to give it a try after scrolling through TikTok.

[@No-Way_]

There are so many saying the movie is terrible because of the ending, claiming he doesn’t become who they thought he would. No one saw him for who he was, and most of the audience didn’t either. That’s the whole point. Arthur struggled with mental illness, yet many still refuse to see him for who he truly was. Just like with Harley, the haters support seems conditional, because he didn’t meet their expectations, they threw him away like garbage. He never became the Joker they all wanted him to be. And you know what happens to people who treat others like trash? They get what they deserve! They end up with a trash movie!

[@JoeJoe-lq6bd]

I honestly don't get how a musical courtroom drama could have a $190 million budget. I don't have any great concern for the survival of corporations in general but I do worry that these studio execs are going to bankrupt the industry with their poor decision-making. A film like this should have a much lower budget.

[@lllSASlll]

idk, i feel like we were just complaining about how all our movies are the same and then someone does something different for once, and the hate is even more vehement. Even if it isn't what people wanted i think it's great were at least lettering creatives wholeheartedly make something unformulaic.

[@JoeJoe-lq6bd]

@@lllSASlll I'm not saying I don't want something different. I'm more confused why the budget would be so high for a film like this. Not sure how you get from my comment that I don't want different films. I'm talking about poor budget management.

[@ChrisLuman]

I'm in my mid-twenties & Dan convinced me to take my girlfriend to go see The Wild Robot a few days ago. It was fantastic & cemented the idea that he knows his stuff!

[@TheBlobablob]

Exactly. Thats why I went to see it too. Dan is my most trusted critic. And I loved it so much.

[@Randomluck]

I became a Dan truther after going in blind off his Annihilation recommendation. He hasn't missed yet!

[@batguy39]

The W...

[@SkolneyVikings]

Joker takes place almost entirely in a prison or in a courtroom. So that means Phoenix, Gaga and Phillips got PAID.

[@BatAmerica]

It's frustrating. This sequel has powerful moments, especially in the courtroom, when focusing on alternate perspectives impacted by Arthur's actions. The biggest issue with this story is the pacing. While most musicals use their songs to advance the story, these numbers often distract or overexplain Arthur's emotions due to their redundancy with non-musical equivalents rather than enhancing them for the audience.

[@BrandonNinja]

Dude, the movie was a musical. Why are people surprised it failed?

[@BatAmerica]

@@BrandonNinja Because musicals such as Wonka show there is a market for the medium. The problem is, it didn't work here for the listed reasons.

[@AllInTheGame01]

According to Deadline at least $50m of the reported $190m production budget went to the Phillips, Phoenix & Gaga trio! Phillips was also given Final Cut on the movie cos of the roughly $2.5bn the first movie & the Hangover movies grossed worldwide plus they did ZERO audience testing of the movie! That budget on a relatively grounded comic-book movie with substantially less VFX shots & locations than a standard blockbuster makes no sense at all as a reasonable increase from the first movie's $55-70m budget to $80-100m MAX would've made more sense.

[@Im_Ish]

No audience testing is crazy!

[@AllInTheGame01]

@@Im_Ish So crazy esp on a movie that's taking such a wild swing!

[@simplyrowen]

Damn! I was wondering if he got Final Cut, as most directors don’t. Knowing this, he’s fully to blame for the end result. Yikes. But the studio + producers share accountability for their lack of oversight and due diligence (audience testing, hello!).

[@Skeletal33]

Joker was all location, Joker 2 was 90% on stage at Warner Bros in Burbank. Crazy the budget was almost $200 million

[@MichaelWutsch]

The memes from Jonkler and Megaflopolis have been great

[@wigglemd]

Wow I Remember In 89 All My Karate Club Walked Across Town To Watch Batman

[@david88464]

Actuals are here, it made less than Morbius! 💀💀💀

[@JamesVideoCollection]

"What Happened?" "Folie a Deux" is getting what it deserves!

[@Riversdoc11deff]

oh yes it is, I saw it, and I am just thankful I didn't buy that ticket.

[@jenisia3600]

Faaactsss 😂

[@NebLleb]

*What it FUCKING deserves, actually.

[@thomassharp2378]

Great video, as usual. Would love to see a 'clown' movie chart next week with two of them (Joker 2 and Terrifier 3) in the box office.

[@Horizon9588]

I am surprised none of the reviewers said the usual line "best dc movie since The Dark Knight", cause they have been saying that for every shitty DC movie!!

[@robindeknijff5769]

It hurts to see Mask be the lowest when it’s the greatest Batman movie ever made

[@bl3343]

I saw it in theaters with my parents when I was a kid, and I think we were the only ones in the theater.

[@kstepko]

I’ll be sorry when “My Old Ass” drops out of the top 10 because it makes a great set up for Dan jokes.

[@ntcnetwork9934]

The fact that Birds of Prey, a movie that came out only four years ago, adjusts THAT MUCH when you factor in inflation is disgusting and depressing.

[@oddcreatureX]

And just think, they want to make things EVEN WORSE for us if they get the chance . . .

[@leonardocerqueiradias6168]

It almost looks like there was a global pandemic or something during this time.

[@BrandonNinja]

Bad writing is costly.

[@bobby5359]

@@leonardocerqueiradias6168inflation went up faster after Biden took office.

[@SpongeBobaFett]

​@@leonardocerqueiradias6168 yeah it was a great excuse for the government to print trillions of dollars to give to their friends while none of it makes it's way down to us normal folks

[@OceanWolf808]

I can’t believe WB added a stupid amount of money to Joker 2’s budget when the first movie made $1B+ on a relatively meager one. Should’ve just kept it lean especially when it comes to (most) sequels having diminishing returns. Unless this is David Zaslav’s way of a tax write-off…

[@chrisytfc879]

It's what studios always do. Modest budget makes a ton of money, so bigger budget means even more money... Right?

[@ElRook]

You mean the company that spent $170 million to release the Snyder Cut?

[@EmilyFoxSeaton]

First they made it a musical, then they tried to hide it, then they made the story a pile on of torture porn on the main character that everyone cared about and was the draw of the film, and then, they underestimated how quickly the message would spread.

[@chrisytfc879]

Okay now I'm interested

[@travissmith6380]

Todd Phillips must be Dancing, it seems like this is EXACTLY what he wanted. Fans to hate it and Critics to hate it and Lose WB Money. Seems like he went 3 for 3 on this

[@skinoff89]

Yeah but why would he want to do any of that in the first place lol

[@travissmith6380]

@skinoff89 He likes chaos?? Hell If i know

[@_JellyWalker]

@@skinoff89 Some men just want to watch the world burn.

[@Lightofdarkness1983]

@@skinoff89He’s actually been on record for quite some time that he was upset by how successful the first film was and that so many people :identified: with Arthur when Arthur was supposed to be a caricature of how Phillips sees fans.

[@ktvindicare]

@@Lightofdarkness1983 In other words, he threw a 200 million dollar tantrum.

[@dunnowy123]

I've never seen a word of mouth drop off DURING a weekend like this with Joker 2. Friday, it was tracking to $50 million. By Sunday, it was $40 million. And now, it looks like it's going to open LESS than that. It's absolutely insane. The speed at which WOM travels nowadays is unprecedented.

[@PrinceGastronome]

How the fuck did Joker 2 have a budget like that?

[@benjamintillema3572]

Because the original made lots of $$$

[@PrinceGastronome]

@@benjamintillema3572 I'm not asking why they threw that much money to the film. I'm asking how the hell does a film that looks like that COST 200 million.

[@JohnJacobSchmidtt]

Is to pay for Gaga and Phoenix and probably the director himself demanded quite a bit... And depending on what music they danced and sung to, that might have cost a pretty penny to get rights to it​@@PrinceGastronome

[@jessrl8025]

​@@PrinceGastronome Phoenix and Gaga got pretty massive paychecks. That probably didn't help the budget. Plus, I think it was a jukebox musical and rights to the songs were probably not cheap

[@ktvindicare]

@@PrinceGastronome Because Todd Philips and crew took Warner Bros for a ride. The entire movie was made in bad faith and Warner Bros because they were stupid paid for it.

[@yavoth5850]

What a brilliant business plan: make a sequel to a shit movie that will not interest or please anyone who didn't like the original, and will upset those that actually liked it for some reason. What could possibly go wrong.

[@chrisytfc879]

I didn't like the first one and I don't like musicals so there was zero chance I was watching this but yeah it has been a series of strange choices

[@LinkMarioSamus]

I didn’t like the first movie but I always find it jarring when people casually refer to a very successful movie as shit. I didn’t hate the first one but it was just so of its time.

[@remliqa]

I always find it jarring when people refer to a great movie as shit .

[@Calzaki]

And in between throw a finished movie that everyone seemed to like in the bin

[@jonathanortega753]

Glad me and my brother went to see the wild robot in AMC Dolby Cinema last Wednesday and I absolutely really love it and is really cute, funny and tearjerking animated cinema.

[@firefly4f4]

Surprised Megalopolis wasn't mentioned in the roundup of beg budget/low opening weekend numbers. That seemed like an obvious one to include. Also, Mask of the Phantasm is criminally underrated. Horrible idea by WB to release it on Christmas day with very little promotion. I was a huge fan of the BTAS and didn't hear about it until almost a decade later.

[@ZO6Buccaneer]

Agreed. How many movies with a $100M+ budget that opened wide fell over 70% after week 1?

[@DanMurrellMovies]

Megalopolis didn't have $190+ million budget, but I did a breakdown regarding its budget/opening on last week's show.

[@firefly4f4]

@@DanMurrellMovies Oops, only $120m. My mistake, thank you for the correction. I just remember that was a high amount with very little return.

[@LakeCoffee]

@@DanMurrellMovies Do you think Megalopolis could end up breaking into the top 10 biggest box office flops of all time. There are a lot of different ways you could judge that list, but with a reported $120M budget and a current worldwide gross of only $8.5M and huge drop-offs this week it seems like it might be a contender. Joker 2 currently at an estimated $121M world wide gross vs a $190M budget looks like a success (but obviously isn't) in comparison to Megalopolis's numbers. What do you think?

[@johnnolan5579]

I think the Cinemascore is lower than it would have been had this not been a film that was so highly anticipated. It's a bit of an overreaction from a severely disappointed audience.

[@AnneHathawayRules]

No, it's really just THAT bad.

[@TheVisualante]

Onward certainly was affected my Covid I went on opening not realizing Covid was serious until I saw the streets start to look emptier than usual so by the following week people really started taking Covid more seriously

[@DanMurrellMovies]

Its final gross was definitely affected, but its opening is a little trickier. It came out just as things were going south

[@harshckuk]

Entire weekend was Endgame in reverse

[@Hasmanian]

Batman 89 seemed so unlikely (a super hero movie? starring Mr Mom? with a soundtrack by Prince?) that audience expectations were low, but it benefitted from positive word of mouth, as its $250 million total shows. Joker 2 faced very high audience expectations and I think word of mouth will absolutely murder it.

[@jasonraschen1109]

Wow Dan, you're going to watch all 3 Terrifier movies? I'm too much of a wimp to watch the first. Hope you don't get nightmares. Thank you for the charts. Also, thanks for the heads up on Super / Man. Going to try and check it out on Saturday.

[@joestunnerboxing]

Just discovered this channel. Great stuff! I agree that Joker: Folie a Deux may well be re-evaluated further down the line. It's nowhere near as bad as people are insisting.

[@joshuaroy7567]

Welcome!

[@SteelerFan716]

A sequel that should never have happened fails? I’m shocked. Shocked. Well, not that shocked.

[@terrymcginnis01]

Awfully shocking yet shockingly awful

[@McNaireXstream]

Weirdly enough I'm still catching this ahow on Tuesdays 😅

[@JROTCBALL]

One of my thoughts leaving Deadpool and Wolverine was if Joker 2 would have done as good or better numbers.. I knew the musical aspects would turn off some fans, but I wasn’t expecting this big of a failure. I think Warner studios took a big risk giving Todd Philips such a massive budget.. the first movie was just a shallow Scorsese rip off and I would have never trusted such a hack

[@RoB9009]

This wasn't the movie we needed nor the one we deserved 😢😢😢

[@brianthomas7014]

I was actually surprised when Dan said "Joker 2" a couple of times in this video. This movie was so bad it made Dan abandon his commitment to always saying the full title of every movie.

[@mondruner]

The full title of this movie is annoying tbh

[@strawberrylime33]

😂 I actually enjoyed Jack The Giant Slayer; I didn't know it had such a big budget and flopped so hard. I'm still shocked at how much movies are costing lately.

[@harrisd1983]

I am super excited to hear Dan's thoughts on the Terrifier franchise

[@aimeejoannalowe1981]

Wow, didn't realise American Psycho was SO poorly received. I saw it in the cinema and loved it. It's still one of my favourite films

[@zacharyneely]

Love your breakdowns Dan! Thanks for all the effort you put into these

[@mhyzon1]

Mystery Men a C+ cinema score?!?!? That’s a goddamn travesty! 😭

[@rebeccakeller4666]

Mystery Men was before it's time, I guess? I rewatched the he'll out of it on VHS but it existed in a vacuum without the superhero-everywhere movie environment of today. People looking for a "superhero flick" were feeling Mystery Men it was too specific and a lot of people wouldn't see a superhero film just because. I think nowadays it would be appreciated so much for it's unique take but back then it just didn't find an audience and most people didn't get it. Man I gotta go watch it again it's been a too long

[@al.109]

Charts with Dan this early in the morning?! Mr. Murell, what can we do to repay you with this amazing service and content you give us?!

[@-datrandomdude-6979]

Look Back definitely gonna be updated, it released in way more theaters this Sunday. EDIT: Yeah here we go, it did 688,253 $ with 535 theaters according to The Numbers, so it should end up second in the Top 5 Limited Release Films list.

[@bobbysmith3445]

Yeah it was basically in every theater here in SoCal lol, albeit with limited showtimes at some places

[@imoutotrash390]

Yeah I'm all the way in Florida and got a showtime. Incredible experience

[@moviebuff64]

I think this was intentional. Philips had no intention of making a sequel, Joaquin Phoenix dislikes making sequels in general, and seemed pretty shook when confronted in an interview with the implications of what the first Joker would inspire. I think they wanted to kill it.

[@MatiZ815]

I don't think that people mention enough how extremely mismarketed that film was. People like us who follow news, knew that it's gonna be a musical, however, if you would just watch the trailers you would have NO IDEA. They absolutely did not portray the film as a musical: no singing scenes shown, no songs released. Nothing. The first clip with a song was released after the film came out. No wonder people were so extremely disappointed by what it is.

[@JohnJacobSchmidtt]

Yes, box office mojo had mentioned it was joker finding the music in him.. but then they changed the description and it doesn't mention that now.

[@SimonBuchanNz]

That's literally every musical though. Hollywood keeps making musicals and then denying that they did any such thing. Very odd.

[@TotalSchism]

Look Back is amazing. I was lucky enough to live near one of those 2 theaters and I’m very glad I saw it. You should check it out if it comes to a theater near you. Also, it’s not based off of a manga series. It’s based off a one shot, so it adapts the whole of the story.

[@drummernick4]

charts with dan always brightens up my mondays

[@SDCTProductions]

I respect your fairness when it comes to divisive films

[@marcakins3373]

I don’t think it was mis-marketed , but as a film it was a weird choice to take an iconic villian in DC…my question is why would DC risk this kinda move with a fan favorite character? This is a great art house film if named Charles Mason or any other actual serial killer …

[@jenisia3600]

Joker 1: mentally ill man descends into Madness and becomes the Joker, an agent of chaos. There's no coming back from that. Joker 2: let's undo all that and make it a courtroom musical sequel that no one asked for and continue abusing the mentally ill man

[@shiftymcgee9359]

American Psycho and Life Aquatic got D cinema scores?! Both are classics.

[@motherplayer]

I'd chalk it up to a few things. Overestimating interest in a sequel, not necessarily giving people what they wanted in a sequel, R-Rating often makes it more difficult to sell once the reviews turn out bad. Just bad wisdom all around on this one.

[@rjtavares1480]

As a Tennessee alum, I don’t want to talk about last Saturday night

[@-AtomsPhere-]

Joker 2’s story should have been Joker 3. I actually really liked the idea of the “trial of the joker” and I think a lot of the controversial choices could have worked better if it was following a TRUE Joker 2, that actually has, you know, the Joker in it. Joker 2 should have been pure, crazy, chaotic Joker action. A fully realized “comics accurate-ish” joker. Then, if you must, deconstruct him in the third movie and put him on trial for his crimes.

[@totesmagotes213]

The primary reason is that the director got mad that some fans of the first movie liked it for the “wrong” reasons or were the type of people he doesn’t like so he made the sequel specifically to spite them.

[@ShaneSpear02]

There was no King of Comedy 2 to take the plot from.

[@kstepko]

Be careful what you wish for, or DeNiro might get de-aged again.

[@cr-pol]

ouch!

[@KeithFraser82]

@@ShaneSpear02 #shotsfired

[@mediaikonz]

Dan dropping a Monday charts video is a don't miss.

[@RossMcCarthy-qk3yp]

Yet another example of why you should never put any stock in tracking

[@lashier13]

I remember my big brother taking me to see Wing Commander. The projector broke halfway through and we considered ourselves lucky. We didn't even want to finish it. We got free replacement tickets and I think we used them months later to go see Mystery, Alaska. Much better movie.

[@tfromcleveland3741]

14:00 Dan just piling on Joker with the titles in this chart 😂

[@gluttonousghost]

It's literally too expensive to live. Movie tickets are $30 at my local. I spent $3 on a single cucumber yesterday. Who tf has money to watch a millionaire pretend to fall in love with another millionaire while they defeat mental illness together.

[@tmntvspr]

I liked Joker 2, but I fully understand why people hated it. The swings it took i appreciated, but understandably decisive

[@NathanDrakeTheGreat]

Crazy how John Carter making $30 million opening weekend was such a big deal back in 2012, that a $200 million+ "blockbuster" opened so low... Now that happens every other weekend with these $200 million blockbusters. What a time to be a movie fan.

[@nickfield1569]

My Theory: The original Joker was a fluke. The mistaken belief that the Aurora shooter was dressed as the Joker, the subsequent hysteria about the safety of theaters, plus the Trump of it all created a Perfect Storm of controversy that generated interest. Critics were also kinder as they were just beginning to go through a post-Endgame Marvel fatigue. None of those conditions really exist now, add in that it took five years to make, and just seems to be a much worse movie with no real idea behind it

[@remliqa]

I disagree , even without all those factors, Joker was still a great movie with many underlying social commentary in it. In shorts it get the success it deserved.

[@PhoenixPhire22]

I disagree… Joker was a great movie on its own and audiences loved it. I was excited for 2 even after knowing it would be a musical because I trusted the director. I thought a musical was an odd choice but maybe it just has a couple songs in it. Plus I was looking forward to Gaga as Harley. The trailers looked great. Word of mouth killed this one, I’m not even gonna bother checking it out because the reaction has been so negative by people I trust… most said they wished they had not watched it as it tainted the original. I liked the original so I’d rather just have that and not have it tainted.

[@roujin518]

I think it worked because it was made during a time period where most movies looked like generic marvel movies and it had a different tale then what we had been seeing for the last several years. I think Joker 2 failed because they didn't like the fact that the critics said it was a controversial movie about right wingers and bent over backwards to say "okay, well make sure to make joker in this one pathetic and not have any moments of agency in his whole life". Because the director didn't understand his own movie.

[@remliqa]

@@roujin518 Which braindead critics think a movie about eating the affluent and dissing the lack of funding for public service like mental health is about right wingers? Sounds like they slam the movie without even watching it .

[@remliqa]

@@roujin518 The critics think a movie about eating the affluent and dissing the lack of funding for public service like mental health is about right wingers? Sounds like they slam the movie without even watching it .

[@kelownatechkid]

It's worth noting - the nightmare before christmas re-release isn't lazy, it is the proper stereoscopic conversion/remaster!

[@Dobbsy79]

Awesome that you’re a college football fan, Dan!! I’m a Bama fan and Saturday was a nightmare for me!!! But later that night, I was pulling so hard for Arky to take down Tenn! Hope ya rushed the field!!!

[@kevin.9625]

Never clicked on a charts vid faster

[@WastedPo]

I feel like this is a case where having studio meddling and producers in sunglasses making suggestions would've actually HELPED this movie. They would've wanted something more crowd-pleasing, more action-oriented and something that would appeal more to the fans of the first movie.

[@LingeezyS]

@danmurrell great job on the Fandom/ SJ movie fight! Was great to see the gang back together.

[@fariseb]

Good luck with your Terrifier Trilogy watch. Will be extremely curious what you have to say based on what you've said in the last about your feelings about horror.

[@tristenrodrigue1814]

Who would've thought that Venom 3 will have to be the movie that saves Hollywood this fall? It'll deliver though.

[@unoriginalandrew]

I don't do spoiler reviews so I havent had anything about Joker itself ruined. I look forward to seeing it when I can to form my own opinions on the movie but I am slightly scared to spend money on seeing it in thesters haha! Jokes aside, I look forward to seeing the experience.

[@CMontgomeryBurns09]

I cannot stand this movie's pretentious, unnecessary subtitle. Why can't modern sequels just use numbers?

[@JohnJacobSchmidtt]

Is a pretentious movie all together, even the first one? In my opinion, the audacity to take a character and place those characteristics onto an original character that you have created yourself. That's like having a movie called Batman and then it's just some guy named John Smith running around in a bat suit but really he's not the Batman but he calls himself the Batman. And he acts like the bad man but he really isn't the Batman. And then that movie gets such high a claim, where if someone doesn't know the character is going to think that is the Batman.

[@SimonBuchanNz]

Because someone did some market testing once and got feedback that people don't want to watch Deuce Biggalow 4 without watching the first three.

[@Fernando_616]

The subtitle only seems pretentious because it has no meaning to you prior to the film. That subtitle is actually really good for what happens in the movie and potentially genius if it had other implications I believe it may have had after seeing the movie

[@pauljcampbell2997]

Really great video Dan. I appreciate the effort you put into it. Thank you.

[@TheCatWitch63]

27:15 Look Back is a beautiful and poignant movie. I recommend it. The author created this manga to deal with the sadness and pain caused by the the terrible losses of the Kyoto Animation studios, which were destroyed by an madman arsonist in 2019. Although neither the manga nor the movie are about this fire, since it’s an allegory, you can still feel the loss and sadness that the author felt because of such senseless action.

[@david88464]

So terrible, I remembered KyoAni tragedy watching the film.

[@TheCatWitch63]

14:05 How is it possible that Hellboy got a lower rating than Madame Web and Morbius???

[@BessieBopOrBach]

I'm a little shocked by the C+ CinemaScore for History of Violence back in the day. I thought that was as close to a crowd-pleaser as David Cronenberg ever made. Great movie!

[@5pid3rman80]

Dan for the win for the most creative comment ever 20:52, and the most insightful charts review for the week!! That D cinemascore is wild!!

[@-AtomsPhere-]

Joker 2 made me appreciate Nolan as a DC director. The guy still had artistic flair but never seemed to look down on the comic book audience. I don’t think Nolan ever EMBRACED the comic book fandom, but he still respected his viewers. Todd Phillips Joker 2 felt like a movie by a director who thought he was better than his audience and it felt like he even despised them. So odd. I’m an adult Tim. I can enjoy a story about a crazy dangerous character without wanting to become one myself. We didn’t need you to “save us” from ourselves.

[@riverlynnxo]

Thank for all this information - this was a really good show you did today! - we didn't even go to see this joker... since it was a musical - and we loved the first one!

[@needleknight]

Is the poster for The Outrun supposed to mirror the poster for Ladybird? Or do photographers just like Saorise Ronan’s profile?

[@shelby127]

40:13 Roxy said she had a hard time with Terrifier 2 😳

[@domsimon927]

I can’t take these Cinemascores seriously if Mystery Men got a C+!

[@sebastianbillings7807]

Casanova Frankenstein is the greatest supervillain name ever thought up.

[@jim1242]

Joker folie à deux made just $1,8m on its first Monday! This is even worse than other flops like The Marvels ($2.3m ) and Madame Web ($2.5m). The first Joker made $9.1m on it's first monday.

[@Dustinmrr.mp4]

13:40 - I haven't seen joker 2 yet 😮 but I can't believe that this movie is worse than Madam Web and Morbius 😂😂😂

[@toniviskari417]

Joker 2 will fascinate for such a long time to come. I loved the first one and actually majority of in-person interactions about the film has also been about how much people liked it. What also stood out for me is that along my own perception, what we always talked about when it came to the film was how it was this examination of what could give birth to this fundamentally empty force of destruction and how great it was that the film made it clear that there was nothing admirable in Arthur. Yet when making the sequel, Phillips not only decided to make a response film, but he chose his target audience to be the people who didn't like the first film or were vocal in admiring Joker. And in the process made a film that just... Completely goes against the thing that made the first film a success? I guess to prove the critics wrong? Like what the actual hell?

[@ralfschulz.]

If I wanted to watch a musical, I’d go to a theater, not the movies. We could've saved the time and money-this was hands down the worst sequel ever. I fell asleep multiple times, and now I know for sure: Lady Gaga isn’t just a bad singer, she's a terrible actress too. The best part of the film? When Joker told Gaga to stop singing.

[@phlynx68]

I had a covid scare and missed Chistopher Reeve story, great to get a second chance at seeing it.

[@164dragonmaster]

I would be dead if I took a shot every time Dan said Joker: Folie a Deux.

[@colbyfromage]

Dang it Arkansas. Well played. - UT alum

[@LinkMarioSamus]

Dunno if Dan mentions it, but the first movie only had a B+ Cinemascore. And on a similar note, people are likening new Joker movie to The Last Jedi. Here’s the thing: that movie had an A Cinemascore. The MARKETING for the movie was too vague to deceive anyone!

[@ajames3062]

Also no one is even mentioning Catherine Keener popping up in Joker and it was the one thing I liked 😅