JOKER 2 IS THE WORST BATMAN MOVIE EVER MADE

[@trinaq]

"I don't want the singing anymore." They knew that the musical aspect would be almost universally despised, so they preemptively wrote it into the script.

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

Joker 2 flopping and then Wicked smashing records soon after reminds me of the Key and Peele "Loco Gangster" sketch where he tries to break a bottle on his head and fails, then goes "This bottle is unbreakable!" Then he tosses it on the floor and it breaks.

[@JohnnyJustice777]

​​@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZepbecause doing a good musical actually requires talent. First off, Phoenix is bad in his singing portions. And no, I don't buy the excuse of "keeping it realistic" because they autotuned it a lot. Second, you need the musical numbers to progress the plot. This is the equivalent of those old indian movies, where it randomly does a musical number that does nothing but increase the runtime

[@GiriT10939]

The whole musical idea came to Phoenix in a dream 😅

[@BeccasaurousRex270]

@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZepyou can’t compare Wicked to this movie. The Joker movie tried to hide that it was a musical. Wicked is openly and proudly a musical (based off the broadway show). Other musical movies have done well because they don’t try to hide it (Hairspray, Rent, The Greatest Showman). This movie doesn’t have the vocal chops to be a musical (you need more than 1 talented singer to have a musical).

[@JazzyJeffRealTalk]

They were like remember all the stuff you liked about Joker 1? Yeah we’re not doing any of that! 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@acceptable1609]

We also end right back up where we started in the first one.

[@Elvusmiw]

Also the sequel ruins the mystery what was real and what wasn't

[@muffinsdawg]

Only thing I like about that movie is when Arthur dressed up as the Joker. His outfit was pretty cool

[@sathrielsatanson666]

It is completely ubderstandable, tho. Just imagine being a director of "Starship Troopers" and there is a group of fans saying: That future is so cool, I love how they treated lesser people and the aliens. You'd say: Fuck you. And that is what Todd Phillips did and that is fine. The only problem is he forgot to makd a good movie at the same time.

[@officialtoddhoward69]

Imagine making two Joker movies to reveal the protagonist wasn't even Joker. What's next? A movie called Batman that has absolutely nothing to do with or even stars Bruce Wayne or Batman?

[@beneath_the_pavement]

Don’t watch flash point

[@SeasideDetective2]

Maybe that theme wasn't executed well this time, but it's been a part of the Joker myth from the very beginning. It's the reason why the Joker usually doesn't have a real name. He is a spirit. He cannot die.

[@GiriT10939]

Nobody would have cared to watch Joker if it were not for the title. The same actor- Joaquin Phoenix just last year did a movie called Beau is Afraid (has mommy issues, is a virgin and wants love, is a mentally ill loser living in a very bad city, and has lots of delusions- oh sounds awfully similar to Arthur) and nobody saw it.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

That is not the problem of Todd Phillips' Joker movies. The problem is that they are not that good. He has some interesting ideas about deconstructing Joker: fascination with psychopatic killers, willingness to idolize even most monsttous behaviour, true self versus public persona and many more. The only problem is those ideas are not presented in engaging form. The first movie was a Scorsese rip off and the second is more misguided that it's protagonist.

[@13ShelbyGuy]

So this turd was a 2 part intro to the real Joker 🃏 movie

[@majinbaby536]

Joker 1 & 2 isn’t a Batman movie, Batman ain’t even in the damn thing, thank the lord.

[@lowlowseesee]

This shit movie made Snyder’s bat stuff seem bearable

[@JohnnyJustice777]

I mean, on a technicality, Bruce Wayne was in the first movie and Thomas Wayne did die. As far as I am concerned, that's more batman references than the Penguin

[@madddoggnogood1491]

Dont you ever put this nonsense in the same sentence as penguin ​@@JohnnyJustice777

[@abramsullivan7764]

Right well Joker focus on Arthur Fleck turning into Joker yes Bruce Wayne does appear in the film just as a 8 years old boy.

[@nialllappin4159]

​@lowlowseesee nah I'd watch Joker twice before Sneeder trash at least it's shorter 😂😂

[@mix3k818]

A movie made out of spite for its own studio or audience was never going to be good (see: The Matrix Resurrections)

[@anubusx]

We have a fifth one coming.

[@levischorpioen]

Which is why it's a genius move.

[@kradanbandicootovich6444]

I agree in that Folie a Deux definetly reminded me of Matrix Resurrections - I liked both movies, so go figure.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

Matrix Resurrections could not have been good because neither Reloaded or Resurrections were that good. Wachowsky did not want to make the movie so yeah, it was sure as hell it will end up bad. With Phillips's Jokers it's a different story. We have a guy who directed one good comedy (Hangover) and a lot of bad ones. He never proved he has the chops to make a profound deconstruction of one of the most popular comic book villains. Yet here we are.

[@levischorpioen]

@@sathrielsatanson666 Todd didn't want to do Folie a Deux either. Both Lana Wachowski and Todd Philips decided it'd be better that if their franchises were going to be ruined, it'd be best if they were the ones to do it. The situation is the same.

[@anubusx]

Harley gaslights Arthur into a bad romance.

[@TrueBlueMajikDewd]

The thing is this isn't even unique to this movie. Telltales did it better.

[@JohnnyJustice777]

​​@@TrueBlueMajikDewdShh, don't tell the delusional fans of this movie. They would come up with statements like, " This movie is a criticism of how Hollywood glorifies violence and how people celebrate such acts and murderers."

[@michaelboyer7253]

Ya ya ya ya 😀

[@ryanm.8720]

She practically said; "Let me introduce you to My Chemical Romance."

[@Gametester110-qf8vs]

I wouldn't say, "Worst Batman movie", as Batman was NEVER in the equation on these films. More like Joker 2 is the "Worst Comic book" movie ever made.

[@aflores076]

“Arthur Fleck is DC’s Forrest Gump” lmfao

[@charliesnerdychannel3665]

arthurs death made me get up in my seat and leave in the cinema im still pissed

[@tylerbertram7065]

My biggest takeaway from this movie is that I grew really tired of Joker media. He's become way oversaturated these past couple of years that it's made me want to see other Batman villains give me a Mr. Freeze movie or Two Face tv show. Let's just take a hiatus from The Joker for a while.

[@hope-cat4894]

I feel the same with Harley Quinn. Other Batman villains need to get a chance to shine. At least the Penguin got a show now.

[@tylerbertram7065]

​@@hope-cat4894 I do hope The Penguin show eventually leads to other adaptations of some of Batman's other villains like Mr. Freeze or Two Face or the Scarecrow.

[@werdahd9166]

You know how cool it would be if we a got a more horror like scarecrow movie? They won’t do it but it would be cool.

[@werdahd9166]

You know how cool it would be if we a got a more horror like scarecrow movie? They won’t do it but it would be cool.

[@tylerbertram7065]

@werdahd9166 bro, I would kill for a Scarecrow horror movie, especially if he's the villain in it.

[@rinmathews9337]

No, it's the worst Batman movie... so far.

[@abramsullivan7764]

But Bruce Wayne is still a kid in this film still struggling to process his parents death.

[@DaPark3]

@@rinmathews9337 no way you think that when batman forever exists

[@DaveWasThereMan]

The one with twilight boy was pretty dumb

[@leonarddillon256]

I want to apologize to Joel Schumacher for calling his rendition of Batman bad. Compared to Joker 2, Batman & Robin became decent, and Batman Forever has stood as a cult following as time passes and modern movies continues to get unbearably worse. At least Joel's intent was to entertain.

[@abramsullivan7764]

You want to know something funny way back when I was a young boy watching Batman & Robin constantly as a kid. As an adult a 27 warm blooded American man Buttman & Knightwing is one of the worst comic book film I ever seen.

[@JohnnyJustice777]

Batman forever was actually pretty good. This is a controversial take, but i liked it more than batman returns. Batman returns was basically a Joel Schumacher movie, if it tried to take itself too seriously. On that note, falling down is the better joker movie

[@DevaPein]

batman and robin was a great adam west era tribute. if u think its suppose to be some dark knight i dont know what to tell you. its an adam west tribute and it captures that energy rather well. whilst it is sad to see such a cool character like bane regulated to the role he was given as example, mr freeze is absolutely hilarious to watch. arnold is putting effort into his role and is eating the scenary masterfully. whilst not everything works of course, if u look at the film with the correct lens and dont expect some dark knight crap in every film. its a hilariously stupid film. just as stupid and hilarious as adam west batman could be. and id rather watch that and the Toby Maguire spider man films as example over man of steel, the dark knight trilogy, any of the more newer marvel crap, and a lot of things along those lines. whilst those films all have positives. they have so many flaws that everyone overlooks and have become way to overhyped despite extremely obvious flaws.(mostly talking about the overhype of the dark knight in terms of overhype) even the bank heist scene from the get go is incredibly poorly written and designed and no one mentions it. its bad. its a bad scene. is it "cool"? ya i guess. is it well written? not really. is it well acted? ya, id say so. the films need to be judged for what they are, not what you want them to be. and even the dark knight, whilst i do not like it cause of what they did to the joker, i still need to judge them for what they are. and overall they are good films. and batman and robin as a tribute to the adam west era is well done.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

Someone smearing someone with excrements might want to entertain but at the end of the day they just playing with shit 😊

[@tylerbertram7065]

If Joel Schumacher hasn't had enough apologies after the disaster that was Batman v Superman.

[@michaelboyer7253]

Three Jokers The criminal, the clown, the comedian. The Arthur.

[@sadetwizelve]

I TOLD people a sequel would be BAD,they said I didn’t know what I was talking about.

[@abramsullivan7764]

Well guess those people told you that you're right.

[@nialllappin4159]

Didn't think it was that bad

[@AutomatonRando]

​@@nialllappin4159 Prob cuz they removed the scene where he gets sexually assaulted by prison guards.

[@TheCrazyfighter19]

But that’s the thing. A sequel should have worked. The first movie ended with him as The Joker. The sequel should have been the easiest movie to make likeable. Even a Joker musical should have worked

[@AutomatonRando]

@@nialllappin4159 prob cuz they removed the sexual assault scene

[@paulc1553]

Joker should have been a one and done.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

"Arguably the worst film ever on a screen" LMFAO

[@kiritoswords6479]

The worst is Twilight

[@DaPark3]

Fr like even when ur being hyperbolic that is an insane statement to make

[@ransakreject5221]

Twilight was terrible but it wasn’t the sequel to a great movie. It was shit based on a shit book so we knew it would be shit

[@kiritoswords6479]

@ransakreject5221 and in my opinion, Joker is just a ok movie. Not great. I really enjoyed all the scenes after Arthur became Joker, but the buildup prior to that, bored me.

[@nickthebabba7767]

This isn’t the Joker, and it definitely isn’t the Jonkler either This is the Jebinklinettiebettie

[@EPPicstuff]

Yeah... Joker and Harley Quinn have a Bad Romance in this movie.

[@milkcarton14]

You need more likes

[@ryanm.8720]

She practically said; "Let me introduce you to My Chemical Romance."

[@thahman187]

Total disappointment. I should have asked for a refund!

[@adamwallace985]

I watched it for free and want a refund. For my wasted time

[@The_One_With_The_Bowtie]

I was honestly interested when it came out to be a musical but then it came out

[@GavinPlante]

The biggest thing I hated about this movie was that it had all the tools and only half utilized them. It’s shot well, Gaga and Phoenix are both good, the songs were alright (the courtroom song I’d argue is great), everything is halfway there. But it drops the ball on the story structure, the chemistry between Joker and Quinzel, the songs are too far between to be a musical but too close together to ignore them. Also, the ending, if the rest of the movie was done right, would’ve been the best “fuck you” to those who idolize this version of Joker and got the wrong impression of the first movie. But since the rest of the movie fumbles everything else, the ending feels less like a “Haha! We got you!” and more a “haha we got you.”

[@JohnnyJustice777]

Phoenix is a horrible singer. I just don't understand why they made a musical with one of the leads being bad at singing. I don't care about the excuse of it being "realistic." That was something which the makers threw around because no amount of autotuning was fixing that car crash

[@hope-cat4894]

A musical with the Joker could work if they did something like Emperor Joke in Batman the Brave & the Bold. I loved the musical number "Where's the Fun in That?" and having them be part of psychosis fantasies would have been cool. Two other musical numbers that come to my mind for inspiration are "The Cell Block Tango" and "My Psychopharmacologist and I." I've seen people say they should have used Clockwork Orange or One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest for ideas on where the story could have gone too. So many missed opportunities... 😔

[@tylerbertram7065]

@@hope-cat4894 i love Brave and the Bold

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

If they took the musical aspect seriously it could work

[@tambor34]

Not going to see it for the same reason I am not going to see Wicked, I hate musicals.

[@acceptable1609]

I just pretend this movie doesn’t exist. Joker was a good movie and I’m glad it didn’t get a sequel.

[@Kelly-np2xq]

I genuinely don't like joker one or too I'm sorry but it feels like the directior wanted to make a certain movie and just put the joker name on it and took a check

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Pretty much he said as much in the first movie

[@kayskaht2052]

10:50 Thank you for breaking down how none of this makes any sense. I'm new to your channel and really loved your commentary! Keep up the great work!

[@theotherjared9824]

Harley Quinn already being crazy means the Joker technically did nothing wrong to her, ruining both of their characters.

[@Danton1990]

Vee. Very glad to see you finally cover this movie. Walking out of this theater I almost made a video about it myself. What an absolute mess.

[@Webwalkerz]

The worst "DC" movie ever made!

[@xcape4734]

It’s almost like the joker audience and the musical audience are completely different people

[@TheHeroExodus]

14:45 is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? I feel this musical needed this one song 🎵

[@harryfleutv666]

Honestly? I just want a classic joker & Harley movie with the traditional toxic relationship, hopefully James Gunn or Matt Reeves can tell a better story with the clown couple

[@tylerbertram7065]

@@harryfleutv666 i would rather we have a break from the clown couple give some attention to other Batman villains like Mr. Freeze or Two Face or the Scarecrow

[@DaveWasThereMan]

Your Joker sounds like a social media white rapper

[@harryfleutv666]

@ I don’t get it 🤷‍♂️

[@BaithNa]

Joker 1 was a bastardization of the character and Todd Phillips even said he only used the Batman IP to sell tickets, he doesnt like or care about the characters. If you fell for Joker 1, you deserve to be trolled by Joker 2.

[@RohanDasgupta-f7x]

👍

[@levischorpioen]

Exaaactly. The same people who cried they didn't want a Joker 2 are now complaining about how bad it is. People nowadays act like they're forced to watch shit.

[@kciN1221]

Batman had NOTHING to do with this atrocity! His hands are clean of it. If anyone should be outraged it would be the batman. Even the worlds greatest detective can't wrap his mind around this one. Total atrocity

[@calebmaybin6896]

I understand the desire to ensure the character doesn't encourage violence but other villains could have been used. Ex: The Anarchists - a young man named Lonnie Machin feels personally betrayed by the systems he was raised to believe in and trust but have all affected him personally (corrupt cop, embezzling, losing job after job due to budget cuts, etc) so he is persuaded to join a group of Anarchists led by Anarky and meets fellow Anarchists like Shrapnel (Mark Scheffer) and Bluebird (Harper Row) (even Dick Grayson could be a member as his role in the Arkham Shadow Game aka The Rats showed a criminal background can work storywise). He becomes a devout follower and street soldier vs someone like Roman Sionis or something but soon learns that Anarky is Samuel Young, a congressman attempting to profit off of street gang warfare by using/setting up the Anarchists, even going as far to base his mask vaguely off of his deceased sister. Lonnie feels so betrayed that he kills Sam and takes his place as Anarky and leading the Anarchists to true domestic terrorism. Scheffer enjoys the violence but Bluebird (and Robin) is afraid at what Lonnie has become she switches sides and helps Batman stop the emotionally broken Anarky who deep down really just wants to feel trust and hope again.

[@andrewdau1299]

That sounds really cool tbh. I wish Anarky got more appearances outside of the comics. So far, the only adaptation that did him justice was Arkham Origins.

[@isaacw.brooks8417]

I didn't even enjoy the first movie

[@RohanDasgupta-f7x]

It was garb

[@DaveWasThereMan]

I'm the joker baby

[@featherguardian6023]

This came Right on Time for the Digital Release and this Sequel is a Bigger Joke as it shouldn’t Exist, this Movie was just Boring, it’s not a Batman nor even a Joker Movie, if the First Movie was a Original Film without the Joker Name it would be Fine but but was we got is a Joke and it was doomed since it was confirmed Gaga and that this was going to be a Musical which honestly was a waste of Budget.

[@paulc1553]

You can't read my Joker face.

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

This is the first time I've seen a Joker 2 review bring someone who speaks French

[@jillianb734]

Joker is a masterpiece. The second never happened 🤷‍♀️

[@jordancampbell6775]

Two things I really hated so much in Joker: Folie a Deux was when the joker got attacked by the guards & didn't get revenge on them at the end (which really angered me). And the ending when the joker gets stabbed to death by an insane crazy prisoner.

[@kaiwancallender2761]

That’s about the joker universe I think is that the world where Batman is that a human with Bruce trained that’s a regular guy that tried and might get killed last day at the other universe. That’s a real world universe.

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

Todd Phillips har Zero interest in ever making a Batman movie. Joker 1 was just a movie he threw the Joker image over and when I said that, people didn't listen. Now you have Joker 2, you ruined your good thing by insisting it exist.

[@JacobPaul-ix7oc]

Who insisted that it exist? From the majority of reviews and comments I have seen, nobody wanted a sequel. WB insisted for over one billion obvious reasons, not the movie goers.

[@levischorpioen]

@@JacobPaul-ix7oc And yet they still went and saw it. So much so, in fact, that WB is considering making a third.

[@tonyjones8986]

The biggest insult is that Joker loves to be original... making him a copycat of someone else is pathetic. And he hates when you have to explain the joke...

[@ryanm.8720]

Also; despite his comedy gimmick, The Joker hates being the punchline.

[@laragallahue7127]

Listen I am person for musical based on Joker, but like the musical aspects - they should have committed to the bit more Crazy Ex Girlfriend does it a lot of better, yes it very clear all the musicals segments are in the main character Rebecca head but it tells you a lot in ways you wouldn’t catch on the first viewing

[@kaiwancallender2761]

I think of this as a postmodernist guy telling the liberal class and the conservative class. This isn’t your movie. This is the movie.

[@AceBobcat]

"How do you say that again?" "Va te faire foutre." Me, who studies French: I understood that reference.

[@shinkitty9881]

The second film is not about the Joker, but about Arthur.

[@mickyfoo773]

The director shouldn’t be allowed to work in Hollywood anymore he purposely made a bad movie super weird

[@kayskaht2052]

This is so specific but so true! 😭

[@mickyfoo773]

@ just pisses me off like bro why does Hollywood hate the audience so much

[@diendong]

I was hoping the sequel proved Arthur’s mother to be right about everything. It would reveal Thomas Wayne to be absolutely corrupt and Joker strongly regretful of what he did to his mother.

[@majiko97]

No, just this is just as bad

[@noneedtoknow-yv2tu]

The penguin TV show is so much better than Joker 1, Joker 2. That's how you make a villain people love to hate.

[@acceptable1609]

Also Penguin isn’t ashamed of the IP it’s attached to unlike Joker 2.

[@khalilboykin]

VEE I love your content been tapped in for years I would love you to see you do content like comicstorain *rip* I feel like you have the voice for it

[@SpiderPotterFan]

1:28 Yeah, that's already been done: Lars von Trier's "Dancer in the dark". A woman suffering from progressive blindness works hard to pay a surgery for her son so he won't go through the same, and her only solace jn life are musicals. When stuff starts to go down with her life, she always pictures the crisis as a musical number, as that is the only way she can really cope with everything going to hell.

[@StefunnyStrange]

This movie feels like it was written by someone who hated Joker 1 & its fans with a passion. While watching, I felt like I was being punished for enjoying the first film. And their plan worked! I now enjoy Joker 1 a lot less. So thanks, Todd Phillips & Warner Bros! Mission accomplished.

[@alexandelsosa7718]

He didn't want to make a sequel. Had the second one been as good or better than the first the studio would've asked for a 3rd. Unless you make it so bad not the audience or the studio would be interested in seeing it continue.

[@Horrormaster13]

Catwoman (2004) is still worse.

[@GnarlySwish]

honestly from what little we got, i wouldn’t mind if they casted the same guy to play Harvey in the Matt reeves movies. aslong as he has the range to play two face when the time comes

[@geforcertx6863]

Love your videos so much. I know it's too much but can you you do a more in depth analysis of this movie? Like it's theme, concepts and also the flaws, mistakes and criticisms as well? Thanks.

[@Salamander676]

It feels weird but cool calling it a batman movie.

[@66631234]

So glad you put tim dillion, talking about joking 2, at the start of this video, those rants are hilarious

[@AFoxInFlames]

Think its in the running for worst pretty much unwatchable movie ever too.

[@JoeDice_]

Yea that movie sucked

[@kaiwancallender2761]

Not conservative capitalism or a liberal critique or capitalism but they post a left one😮😢 young and young and

[@kingKC-m2k]

That plot twist was definitely a middle finger to the fans

[@christophergarrett7082]

One of the worst superhero movies ever made

[@anubusx]

I don't count it as a superhero film.

[@tylerbertram7065]

Not gonna lie. I enjoy Batman and Robin way more than this movie

[@bdbyt6835]

​@tylerbertram7065 Both movies had a COLD reception.

[@tylerbertram7065]

@@bdbyt6835 hahahaha good one

[@JohnnyJustice777]

​​@@tylerbertram7065People really need to CHILL OUT. But seriously, I wasn't a fan of the first joker movie. It felt like a pretentious art project. But the only time that movie had any life in it was when Arthur became the joker. So yeah, as far as I'm concerned, the second movie is a confession. That Todd Philips couldn't make the movie he wanted. So he used the IP to convince the producers. Edit: I hadn't watched king of comedy at that time. But I had watched Taxi Driver before. So yeah, it was very derivative also. I like how there are people defending the second movie, when in reality, it's basically Todd Philips admitting to swindling the audience

[@Glitch4Twitch]

Who was that French woman? You had her on staff all along for this very moment??? lol

[@society7394]

The Flash is still worse

[@BXBeastBoy]

they pulled a fight club part 2. they chose to middle finger fans of part 1

[@travelerluke5748]

And I thought Catwoman was considered the worst 🤣

[@bungler3000]

joker 2 is like iron man 2 if tony didnt discover that element

[@tylerbertram7065]

@@bungler3000 that's an insult to Iron Man 2 good sir.

[@HsAs-k9r]

It’s like if Todd Phillips forgot how the first Joker ended. With him completely embracing the joker in the asylum and killing people as he pleases smhhhhj

[@handsomestik]

Yeah whatever they were searching for here? I just don’t know. This director caught lightning for Hangover but I think that was it.

[@dannyolortegui3776]

You know, I never considered the first one canon. So, Phillips just confirmed it. I can stop being so f'g confused. Now, the first one isn't a bad movie, but I said it then and I'll say it now, it was just a rip-off of Taxi Driver.

[@JIreland1992]

Worse than Batman and Robin?

[@cohenparsons947]

Just dont think about it as a batman movie...

[@funandyvideos]

Catherine Keener turning in the kind of performance that makes you wonder why they needed to drag Maura Tierney into this.

[@GarrettS-eb5ow]

I'll never watch it... EVER!

[@bloodsnow2909]

I love that Tim Dillion has become part of the Joker hate lolol

[@RohanDasgupta-f7x]

Mr Hangover is a hack who shouldn’t be allowed to make any more movies

[@kolbythurlow2422]

Ah! what the heck I'll laugh anyway! 🤣🤡🃏

[@vampirasilents2021]

Drama and musicals can work Dancer in the Dark and Carmon Jones, Cabaret if you are a good writer you can make it flow well. But I rarely like modern musicals. This could have definitely been better great takes.

[@ZeglerISQueen]

And the dark knight is the best joker movie ever made. Nothing is wrong.

[@cardboardclown]

Really well said. This movie sucked. I was actually in the minority that was excited for a musical with Gaga. Instead I got to sit there while Philips pretended he was an artistic savant, while punishing the imaginary incel fanbase in his head so the cool kids didn't think he was lame by association.

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

Joker 1: taxi driver Joker 2: lalaland pero mal

[@RohanDasgupta-f7x]

Joker 1: Taxi Driver pero mal

[@Chocolatepain]

I don't know anything about the movie and as a massive fan of the first, I really find it hard to believe it's as terrible as people say. I'm excited to form an opinion when it comes out on streaming.

[@tylerbertram7065]

@@Chocolatepain I've seen the movie it's really as bad as a lot people say it is.

[@mechajay3358]

Joker should've been a one time movie. This sequel felt like a jab at the fans who liked the first one.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

The fact that it wasnt a good musical is the true crime

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

We live in a society where Joker part Deux was a failure.

[@pizza-mana.k.a.pizzaparker3615]

Eh it's horrible, and I prefer mark Hamill....every live action joker is very dumb...only jack nicoleson, and Gotham's, Jerome ..did any justice to the character

[@gwell2118]

This movie really just felt to me like Philips wanting to convey a particular message to the audience but forgetting you need to craft an actually good narrative for it first. The whole courtroom backdrop just felt to me like just an excuse to deconstruct the events of the previous film and explain why Arthur is so bad and should not be idolized. The whole film is like him yelling "Arthur is bad and society is bad for liking him". But Philips just doesn't have the narrative or directive vision to pull that off in a meaningful way, plus like you said, he got to enamored with his own farts. Throwing a bunch of artsy stuff into the film not because it served a purpose or told a narrative but just that he thought it seemed deeper than it was and the artsy stuff enhanced it somehow. It didn't. What we got was a shallow societal critique that seemed like it was written by an edgy film school dropout and some mediocre music sequences.

[@carmenalexis4787]

Who’s to say that joker is even the real joker 🤷‍♀️

[@aroccoification]

This would be really interesting if everyone hadn’t already heard about this for the last several months

[@teemumantynen1300]

The thing is that it was already very evident and the whole point of the first movie that Arthur was NOT the actual Joker but merely a catalyte for the actual Joker to rise after his inspiration. The ending just underlines what the first movie already told us. I didn't find the musical numbers to be pointless or that they didn't carry infornation. They were giving us information about Arthur's mood swings, levels of his delusion at amy given moment, predicts what's about to happen etc etc. Did I like the movie? No, not really as it doesn't really bring anything new that would be relevant for the story and the movie was mostly just unnecessary addition that the story didn't need

[@tonystarkcomedy]

“Arthur Fleck is not the joker”. Arthur Fleck literally says “when I get out there, can you introduce me as The Joker?” in the first movie. Idk seems like The Joker to me.

[@CaptainBadNews]

I GaGa was a great choice for HQ. If you just described her character and the roll reversal, that sounds really interesting on paper! But we got…this. Margot Robbie was as close to a perfect Harley as we’re going to get I think. I don’t think we appreciated how lucky we were to get a person with the look, the legit talent, and most importantly someone who was invested in the character. It Started off rocky but she eventually evolved into perfect Harley in THE S.S. ,finally in the Red and Black.

[@bleppyboo]

Honestly I enjoyed Joker 2. This macabre and depressing film that showcases the idea of perpetuating an identity because it's expected of you. As much as you love that attention, you can't keep up the charade forever. People won't care about you when you presented them with something false. I liked that a lot about the film and how Harley pushes that. She fell in love with the Joker, not Arthur Fleck and when Joker was shown to not exist, she immediately left. It's not a perfect movie, I won't watch again nor will I ever recommend it to somebody, but I can comfortably say I enjoyed it even as it made me extremely uncomfortable and depressed to the point of thinking about it for like a week.

[@thenewdarknessgamer6203]

Well it’s not a Batman film. It’s a Joker movie. But it is the worst movie with Batman’s biggest arch nemesis.

[@israelruiz8706]

I do agree that its definetly the movie we didnt want. Now im womdering if it will age well. The performances are well made and the scenes with arthur are incredible but something about it just didnt click well.

[@Elvusmiw]

I hate this sequel because it tells you everything from the first film was real. The mystery was ruined. All those fan theories down the drain.

[@jillianb734]

There never should’ve been a sequel. It was absolutely perfect as a standalone. God I hate Hollywood

[@tylerbertram7065]

@jillianb734 The first movie wasn't even all that good to begin with.

[@jillianb734]

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