Joker: Folie à Deux is a DISASTER!

[@A_r78]

Sequel? I told you, it’s a glorified musical.

[@SnookerMafia-or6nu]

Best comment award to you sir😉

[@Analoghorror9099]

Can't have Arthur in our social club no more

[@jamesw7072]

No true don wears makeup.

[@jaimeherber8353]

He's gotta go......

[@TacticalShinebox]

He couldn't even say his last words...

[@herrflantier3739]

My estimation of Todd Phillips as a director just fuckin plummeted

[@juans8356]

@@herrflantier3739 Lady Gaga…whatever happened there…

[@AnneHathawayRules]

@@juans8356 if you wanna talk like an Arthur Fleck we'll send ya to clown college.

[@nicolausteslaus]

Gay Phillips directed Hangover

[@gocanuckurself1]

@@herrflantier3739 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Sopranos fans are literslly hilarious. Every time. No one beats them. The memes are immaculate. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@gocanuckurself1]

@@juans8356 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Immortalangel14]

Joker 2, whatever happened there...

[@CyberStriker]

Whatever happened there? WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE? I ate grilled cheese off the radiator for 20 years, that's what happened!

[@oscarnieves9937]

Jesus Christ immortalangel14, why would you possibly bring that up?

[@Ar1AnX1x]

the creativity in this comment section though, its literally the same 5 jokes over and over again

[@harvest44492]

@@Immortalangel14 The Joker came on Janice's YUGE rack and it was all ova from there. Tony felt like he had been stabbed in da heart!

[@jakez5599]

Took a big risk and since it wasn’t the cookie cut sequel everyone wanted it’s getting hate

[@bassman8144]

Even Quasimodo saw this coming.

[@Indiana-Yonez]

🤣

[@jaimeherber8353]

😂😂😂 👍💯

[@treenincove1726]

What? How is this in any way funny?

[@Povryan]

Who did what?

[@CyberStriker]

It's a shame Juaquin Phoenix never had the makings of a varsity athlete.

[@SDguy3030]

20 fucking years

[@bassman8144]

His brother did but we know what happened there.

[@PicaPauDiablo1]

He's just a clown I spose

[@OdaVenom]

He has the whole life in front of him, he'll learn. 50 years old, just a kid.

[@budzterr6186]

Gotham? Please huh ✋🏼

[@juans8356]

You know who liked movies? Joey Peeps...

[@tatata1543]

May he rest in peace.🙏

[@Bond-gz6vg]

He was just a kid

[@CMDR_Vile]

It's a shame when they go young like that.​@@Bond-gz6vg

[@yangwangbrock]

@@juans8356 it’s sad they go like that

[@Slim_Ch4rles]

@@juans8356 Peeps? Family name is Pepperelli

[@datboi2dx]

"I wanted a successful sequel to Joker 1. I compromised, I made a glorified musical." - Probably Todd Phillips

[@GolumTR]

Joker 1: I’m going to become The Joker. Joker 2: I was recently The Joker

[@HOTD108_]

Can you imagine that? You're The Joker and then one week later you were recently The Joker?

[@ArthurCera1]

Now that’s a sad commentary

[@malletUsergaming]

It died on the vine, petered out

[@hustlegrindboy]

"The fundamental question is, will I be as effective as a movie like joker was? And I will be, even more so? But until I am, it's going to be hard to verify that I think I'll be more effective." -joker 2 Let's be honest folks Quasimodo predicted this

[@MrBjanders]

I don't think anyone had their expectations low enough for this one.

[@FineLineMotionPictures]

Well said.

[@OKG2000]

i did and i tried to tell everybody

[@memedealermikey]

@@OKG2000 paul revere over here…

[@glowing571]

Take it easy, we're not making a musical here.

[@Slim_Ch4rles]

@@glowing571 I f***ing knew it!

[@undonechrist1384]

@@Slim_Ch4rlesno you didn’t fucking know it! He just commented it!

[@sammeyers6157]

No you didnt know he just fucking told you ​@Slim_Ch4rles

[@FelineLegion]

Chrissy took Todd Phillips to creative writing school

[@MomMom4Cubs]

He slipped and fell.

[@kemosabe1313]

All the critics who were clowning on Coppola's Megalopolis are now trying to save face for this literal joke of a film, how ironic....

[@A_r78]

@@kemosabe1313 some people are out there stuffing themselves

[@Ar1AnX1x]

I don't care about the clowning, I just want people to be accurate, you have to admit that even if you hate the movie, you know he was trying to do something, regardless of bad execution, at least he tried to go somewhere, its different than a modern ultra safe corporate movie that just wants to print money

[@AnneHathawayRules]

​​@@Ar1AnX1xA bad movie is a bad movie, regardless of what the attempt was. I can ATTEMPT to do a backflip with no hands right now it doesn't mean I'm not going to land on the back of my fuckin head.

[@coolpeople4287]

😊​@@AnneHathawayRules

[@kazumahazeuzumaki]

​@@AnneHathawayRulessounds like a skill issue. Everyone I know can do a triple backflip, no ish. Can't enjoy movies, can't backflip. Why even bother

[@MonarchLMC]

WB originally had no plans to make a sequel to the first joker, this is proof of that

[@fromulus]

Exactly this is forced out to capitalize on the popularity of the first one.

[@Unholy187]

This was just a cash grab desperately trying to make as much money as the first did.

[@joescalia5456]

The movie was made to mock fans of the first Joker.

[@wet-read]

Joker isn't a good film qua film.

[@jenisia3600]

That's why no one is paying to see it 😂

[@allenreevearrows2553]

feminism *SUCKS* 👎🏻👎🏻

[@ict113090]

joke's on them. I didn't even like the first one lol

[@slintisbased]

Based Todd Phillips, you should be ashamed for latching onto a derivative rehash of a movie that was done better decades ago

[@FirstnameLastname-nq3oj]

“I feel like this movie… hates me” took me out 😂😂😂😂

[@CovertRadio]

Well, I know this: Joaquin Phoenix is no longer welcome in our Social Club.

[@daveselbow9128]

social club? - he's gotta GO!

[@howdyni]

I could care less basically.

[@chrishill9197]

Wdym Social Club?

[@stupendous1068]

Surely out of every Oscar winner, his name scores the most points in a game of Scrabble.

[@TheArgyleProtocol]

​@@stupendous1068 I loved him like an actor in law

[@lhfirex]

I remember when Arthur Fleck used to wait in the police car. And as far as I'm concerned, he should still be there!

[@plaidchuck]

Always knew Phillips got lucky with the first one. No way you can make mediocre crap like the Hangover and just wake up and be a good director

[@Mac10Demarco]

He seemed so full of himself during interviews leading up to the first movie. About the topics the movie was gonna tackle, straight up virtue signaling. In the end he made a pretty good movie but stole pretty much every idea in the film. This is what he puts out when he wants to do his own thing.

[@quarantinebored1427]

The first Hangover film is funny but it’s just a remake of “dude, where’s my car?”

[@MomMom4Cubs]

Sure, when you've got a ghostwriter. Otherwise, no.

[@des_mondo5589]

Never needed a sequel

[@AnneHathawayRules]

"You were never the joker Arthur. You were never the joker I apologize. Salut." 🍺 "......Now go home and get your fuckin face scars!"

[@brianahern3636]

I'm so glad you mentioned the influence of ''The King of Comedy" on the first movie. I enjoyed ''Joker'' just fine, but was surprised how plagiaristic it was of Scorcese's film. It just annoyed me after a while, from the era it's set in; the tone; the style; the plot, even bringing in Robert de Niro for a significant role. I mean, there's paying homage to something great, but there's also just copying something great to the point of absurdity. Phillips got lucky the first time around, but this sequel proves he really has no good ideas of his own.

[@AnneHathawayRules]

@@brianahern3636 even his other big hit, The Hangover was just an R rated rip off of "Dude where's my car?"

[@wet-read]

How could you enjoy it if you knew how much he piggybacked off that and Taxi Driver? And Network? And didn't even do anything interesting with them? I found Joker to be poorly written, with no real suspense.

[@southbeachtalent]

The Hangover was so overrated

[@MossMachine]

​@AnneHathawayRules shit yeah, I've never made that connection before but it is ffs

[@mitchelluk1445]

me. joker, what the fuck are you doing here, your a sequel? joker. nah its joke. i was here

[@BAEHELPFUNY]

it's just a joke you know i was here... MITCHELL DON'T TELL ANYBODY

[@CMDR_Vile]

Somehow I knew this movie was going to be garbage when I found out Lady Gaga was involved.

[@hangingon]

Likewise, the day I read "she" was in, I was out.

[@marshalz146]

I had the exact same thought

[@HOTD108_]

​@@hangingonWhy brackets around "she"? Are you under the impression Lady Gaga is secretly a man??

[@jpatton5567]

She wasn't even the problem

[@johnclay2716]

@@hangingon " she " Dude, she's a little dainty 5'2 Italian woman, I get if people want to conspiracy that Taylor Swift or Michelle Obama is a dude but Lady Gaga is as feminine as it gets

[@greenjoseph4]

So I take it Todd Phillips saw the Musical Number episodes of Oz and thought, “yeah, I can totally do that.”

[@AnneHathawayRules]

@@greenjoseph4 the ONLY episode I skip to this day 😂

[@odeleon24]

I can still see Beecher and Schillinger singing, dancing and almost making out

[@Hrod24]

So fucking bad! Shame, because they had a lot of avenues to take the second movie that would have been awesome. Yet they literally did the worst possible thing. This shit was horrible

[@sunilmashari9347]

Come for the Joker review, stay for the sopranos puns in the comments 😂

[@digdugdat2847]

Todd Phillips wasn't even original with his directorial approach to Joker 2 with making a cynical studio-mandated cash-grab . Lana Wachowski did it with The Matrix Resurrections.

[@I.D.I.O.C.R.A.C.Y.]

And the whole movie was meta which made a subpar movie pretty good imo.

[@harvest44492]

@@I.D.I.O.C.R.A.C.Y. Nah bro they shouldve just copied fight club and had joker lead a terrorist cell he inspired or some shit

[@I.D.I.O.C.R.A.C.Y.]

@@harvest44492 I was referring to Matrix Revolutions.

[@The_Rampart]

Larry

[@I.D.I.O.C.R.A.C.Y.]

@@harvest44492 I was referring to Matrix Revolutions.

[@MoebiusChungus]

I think the worst feeling in the world is being in a packed theater for what turns out to be a bad or boring movie. Nothing more dreadful.

[@ministerofdarkness]

Todd Phillips should go all in and make the Hangover 4 an opera

[@ereini0n]

It's not even a musical, the songs don't emphasize or move the plot along like they should. It takes a special kind of director to incorporate songs well, and this ain't it. Good actors wasted on a piece of forgettable garbage

[@Godzilla00X]

Allegedly, WB didn't do any test screenings prior to release

[@paulfrantizek102]

I can believe that. Having the guards give Joker the Midnight Express treatment would have tested extremely poorly.

[@TheNotoriousMrDee]

Doesn't seem like they care if anyone likes it.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

this movie has the same exact vibe as Matrix 4, its like the studio wanted to make money and they pushed the writer/director to make a sequel(in the case of Matrix, the creator specifically said she didn't want to make this movie) I literally remember back when Joker came out in 2019 and interviewers asked if its a trilogy and he said its a Stand alone movie and there's not gonna be Sequels

[@AnneHathawayRules]

@@Ar1AnX1x He*

[@anubusx]

Woah.

[@Carhaulerhustle]

Honestly the first one was majorly overrated

[@ryanok1757]

Yeah, i did think that, and i remember when ppl cry for parasite wining the oscar, now witness,what a trashy director who doesn’t have anything to copy, create with his own

[@garyfrombrooklyn]

Maybe Todd Phillips did this on purpose, creating a little dysentery amongst the ranks “Conspiracy theories now?” - fan base

[@ngonzale3]

So glad you mentioned Natural Born Killers. Oliver Stone’s film is the Joker/Harley film this can never be. The first one was over rated. The sequel is the same, just more stupid.

[@nneisler]

That was a love story

[@AW-kr9fl]

Joker was a ripoff of Taxi Driver and King of Comedy. It took the commercial momentum from comic book movies and made an interesting choice by taking a darker turn with Joaquin Phoenix’s performance being excellent. But it wasn’t anything original at all. Without the Scorsese influence, I predicted the sequel would suck.

[@harambetidepod1451]

Joker 2: Electric Boogaloo

[@Milo92927]

the first one was ass i still dont get why it did get a oscar no suprise that this one is even worse

[@maniac50ae14]

Unpopular Opinion: The first TheJoker movie wasnt a good movie about a Batman villain called The Joker! I never felt like i was watching the origin story of an insane criminal mastermind, just an unhinged loner And the studio going around saying that "this is a different Joker" was one of the most succesful gaslighting campaigns in cinema history so that they could justify cashing in on IP and a name without delivering an original story that actually had anything to do with the actuall IP and character... and people bought it

[@jameskent9759]

I totally agree with you here. The character of Joker in the comics and movies was always fun (even when he was being a homicidal maniac), but in the Joker film his character was sad and pitiful and the whole film was grim and depressing. I don't know why so many people liked it so much.

[@balkloth]

@@jameskent9759what was fun about the joker in The Dark Knight? People liked The Joker because it wasn’t comic book schlock, even if they cloaked it in the IP, but even comic book schlock is “gritty” now.

[@jameskent9759]

@@balkloth I dunno man. Joker waddling out of the hospital dressed as a female nurse and thumping on the remote until the bombs detonated was pretty slapstick-y. His dialogue was mostly darkly comical too.

[@alaricboyle-poirier6931]

Megalopolis was really good I must say. You uncross your arms and relax and just accept it. Joker 2, not so much...

[@KSxGUAPO]

If I wanted to insult Todd Phillips, I’d tell him to go get his shine box

[@Bot23]

Joker seeing a psychiatrist? Theres no stigmata these days.

[@cinemamadness6920]

It's yet another sequel that isn't just bad, but retcons and intentionally worsens what came before it out of hatred for both the fan base and the IP

[@Jay_Walker92]

The first one wasn't that good so I'm not supposed this one isn't good... y'all overrated the hell out of the first one.

[@TheNotoriousMrDee]

I liked it, but that's true, too lol.

[@HellNation]

Next joker, there will be no next joker - Uncle Phillips

[@vereyafrequency]

JOKER: Folie a' Deuxsaster

[@roosterjackson7258]

Christopher Moltisanti could have turned in a better script.

[@VicenteAlonso-ht8ui]

I start to think that they are doing money laundering or some scheme with the films, they cost more and more millions and look worse than films made in the 90s or 2000s

[@pennystocklocks]

Makes Many Saints of Newark look like the Godfather

[@williamj.dovejr.8613]

It might have worked if Philips used the approach Bob Fosse used in the 1979 musical, " All That Jazz ".

[@johnglover7499]

Good xatch about Todd ripping off elements from "New York, New York".

[@20thCenturyManTrad]

Let me tell ya a couple o' t'ree things. I did 20 years, okay it was 2 hours but it felt like 20 years watching dis movie. They told me they were gonna make a movie, they compromised, they made a musical. This movie is a disgrace.

[@SchittzPopinov]

My favorite part of the movie was when Joker stood up and exclaimed "IT'S JOKERING TIME."

[@StanSurvivor]

WB can’t be part of our social club no more that I do know

[@tokyovice3]

Would someone make a $200 million dollar sequel for the sole purpose of telling fans of the first one that they are hated?

[@MegaMjjordan]

I’m just still shocked at whether or not Arthur got graped in that one scene . I get pissing off the incels but emasculating their idol gah damn lol

[@abdelali9279]

Yeah, they something that happened in the end was Joker catching and no pitching.

[@The-Wolf-with-no-name]

That animal Todd Phillips

[@Lume658]

Never heard of her

[@kokop.1610]

Joker: Gabagool

[@MikeB-rb7nk]

6:56 ayyy come on, she was in the sopranos too. Don’t be stunad of the first magnitude.

[@FunkoDisgusto]

When you can't see angles anymore. You make Joker 2

[@SnookerMafia-or6nu]

Even Carmine junior would be disgusted to have this movie in his subspecies.

[@cinemamadness6920]

What a Joker sequel should have been: Arthur becomes the leader of the red hood gang (or the clown gang) then have Batman show up at the end and Arthur falls into the chemicals and he officially becomes the Joker we knew he would eventually be.

[@IamMephisto]

Batman doesn’t need to show up in this universe because he is only 12 but they could have him just embracing his Joker persona and causing chaos to Gotham

[@BrianHartman]

I haven't seen the movie, but from the reviews I've watched, I think you're right about the thematic purpose of the movie. I think it's basically the director saying, "You know this is the bad guy, right? He's not a charismatic anarchist. He's a nut. He's not even the real Joker.". I like the idea of that. It's just a shame it wasn't executed well.

[@thelizardkingdc]

Hey Marty! The Joker 2! I liked it.

[@kazumahazeuzumaki]

Joker 2 pissing everyone off is actually very Jokerish. Philips embodies the Joker by telling everyone he doesn't give a shit. Some people just want to watch the world burn.

[@noone12748]

He gave enough of it to make another movie

[@DagothThorus]

Fun fact: Todd Philips HATES sequels, franchises, followups, etc… He massacred his previous sequels, just like this one

[@patroni8]

it's gotten to the point where even the normal comments feel like sopranos quotes

[@phoboswhiplash]

Todd "The first one was good tho" Phillips

[@ignaciogodoy7095]

Arthur was just an inspiration to the next Joker, Arthut was just a mental patience with childhood trauma and the Joker was a creation of his mind, but he never wants to be an icon

[@Ar1AnX1x]

either they forced him to make this movie or he realized there's a lot of money in this and wanted to get the bag

[@SusanBlakely-pd6mp]

'.....The only other thing I've seen her (Lady Gaga) in was House of Gucci.....'. Doh! Can I be the 158th person to point out she was in The Sopranos?

[@tylerhill40]

This mentally ill take on Joker is lame.

[@HOTD108_]

Yeah. I only like my Jokers to be straight laced kinda guys who behave normally. A real model citizen Joker is what we need. That Joker, he was a saint!

[@JonasBaratheon]

Sometimes, I go about in pity for myself, and all the while, a great folie à deux carries me across the sky.

[@mortenfransrud7676]

I have a take on this. Todd Phillips did this out of spite because he did not want to make a sequel. Maybe Joaquin as well. They seemed very adamant on not wanting to do the sequel. Maybe they were pushed by warner bros. It just seems uncanny how he made the first movie the way he did, by then doing this. Something just doesn't add up.

[@anthonyc1629]

5:25 "What's that? My trial?" - Uncle Jun

[@dindu1613]

The Joker 2? Please. It's a glorified crew.

[@MrPcgamer4ever]

I liked this Phoenix and Gaga were amazing and musical parts were well done. I could have been little shorter but overall its 7/10.

[@DanielGenis5000]

The first movie had just a hint of resistance to Woke shibboleths and they came back to break the Joker character into little pieces. It’s a sacred dogma, the PC nightmare.

[@hectorsanchez1377]

Frankly i find it disgusting.

[@jenisia3600]

Joker: a story about a man descending into madness, thus becoming Joker Joker 2: let's undo everything and make it a courtroom musical 😂

[@juanramirez-wk8ty]

Joker is very over rated IMHO, not very good rehash of much better films with a comic book veneer that does little for the comic book character other than use it as a gimmick.

[@gaulicwarlord]

Couldn’t agree more, I never cared much for it, don’t know why it became such a culture phenomenon, the average moviegoer must really just never have seen taxi driver, in order to have been wowed by it.

[@prlysis]

I liked Joker when I saw it. Then, I watched Taxi Driver and King of Comedy for the first time. I now love those films and no longer care for Joker.

[@atalcot1]

@@prlysis It makes me happy to hear about Joker being a gateway to some of Scorsese’s masterpieces for other people.

[@prlysis]

@@atalcot1 I already liked Scorsese, but he is probably my favorite filmmaker now. I'm also a big fan of Tarantino, '70s Coppola, David Lynch, and Kiyoshi Kurosawa.

[@noone12748]

Thats like your opinion man

[@PHN-2024]

The Movie was Doomed when they Casted Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn.

[@reddalek8521]

Wtf is up with the tags in the description?

[@kangell21]

😂😂

[@VersusArdua]

Tbf as soon as I heard that Lady Gaga was involved, as a Harley Quinn incarnation no less, my estimation of Todd Phillips as a director plummeted. Joker was so clearly lightening in a bottle. They should have just let it be its own thing.

[@Nsdus5676]

“Ya I know … it’s just a stutter step”

[@TheNighyWriterPartiii]

First hell yeah ! ( where is my soft drink of choice ?)

[@oscarnieves9937]

On a hill, overlooking a river with some pine cones all around

[@AnneHathawayRules]

@@TheNighyWriterPartiii anything ya like

[@TheNighyWriterPartiii]

@@AnneHathawayRules ayo!!! That's pretty awesome. I'll also stop and smell the roses

[@cletusspartacus]

Arthur was a real come from behind kind of guy

[@ppmny7015]

Plot Twist: The movie is purposely bad to financially punish the studio for their stupidity and greed.

[@lorcanokane5128]

Frankly, I'm depressed and ashamed

[@USMC-es4yy]

Musical!! Nobody wants to see a joker Musical!

[@spotts000]

Just watched it. I enjoyed it. Could have had a lot less singing for my taste, but it definitely sticks with the first and the actors absolutely kill it. I’d give it a solid 8/10

[@jamilbelle]

This movie felt like a troll of a movie. I don’t think Todd Phillips ever went in caring or even wanting to do a real film!

[@hakaishinkaioshintaverz4843]

Piggy backing off the idea that joker amd arthur are diffrent people I would have imagined how it would be in arkham night where the joker was fighting for control in batmans head. If the music parts had to stay in those could have been he parts where it was a mental battle for control.

[@FlipWarBucks]

“I’ve already made this film” 😂😂

[@BrokenHomePoets]

Timeline got fucked up

[@thegreenbaron6439]

A hit is a hit, this is not a hit

[@Price1985]

For 20 years i read DC comics. I comprised, i had to watch this instead.

[@JohnnyRico118]

Folie a Deux? More like Fully-a-doodoo!

[@vladislavadelkhanov7552]

Thank you for this review CineRanter. I remember how much I was looking forward to go to see Joker in 2019, and how disappointed I was. I might disagree with you about its value, as I feel that you found it worthy. I thought that on a purely cinematic level it didn't say anything new. But more importantly - I felt it was empty and even dangerously destructive on the level of the message it carried. It not only completely lacked moral center, it didn't have any kind of a moral counterbalance to the horrific thoughts and behaviours its main characters were acting out. For me Joker doesn't belong to the cinema as an art form. Its makers just used it to make an exercise in pure cynicism. For this reason I would not be interested in watching the sequel.