🤡 JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX is Pointless | Movie Review

[@masteronionnorth2341]

This is what happens when a studio pressures a director to make a sequel to a story that wasn't supposed to have a sequel.

[@ImpressionBlend]

I guess so because I remember him and Phoenix repeatedly saying it's a standalone

[@aesop1451]

@@ImpressionBlend It was Phoenix's idea to make a sequel. He said he had a dream where the Joker was singing and dancing.

[@ImpressionBlend]

@@aesop1451 I saw an interview where he mentioned this - Phillips and Phoenix were talking about how they wanted this to be a limited run on-stage musical, and then I guess they made it into a movie because studio wanted the sequel.

[@DanV900]

The trailer having Joker and Harley on the steps with that scene not being in the movie itself was baffling honestly.

[@ImpressionBlend]

There are a few scenes in the trailer that aren't in the movie and I'm really annoyed because those were actually clips I was looking forward to seeing the context for.

[@DanV900]

@@ImpressionBlend Yeah, I was wondering how we would get to the steps and then was thinking it would just be in Arthur’s head like other sequences which became a bit lazy. Never mind, we don’t get the scene at all.

[@65g4]

I actually really enjoyed it. I loved the look of it the musical elements and themes explored i loved it yeah it wasnt as good as the great first one but i still loved it

[@alexman378]

And they clearly knew how we’d see it, because they put it everywhere.

[@idiot_city5444]

That looked cringe as hell

[@kawaiiwitchbaby]

Anytime there is a musical movie moment I feel like I completely blackout…. I just can’t.

[@BryceEdwardBrown]

I guess this is what happens when they can''t copy Taxi Driver again

[@ImpressionBlend]

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[@Lifesizemortal]

Why not copy another Scorcese masterpiece?

[@lepersonnage371]

It wasn't copy pasted at all in the first movie, first movie is very different. I don't see you people call all superhero movies the same even though they have quadrillion similarities between one another, but Joker taking some things here and there is supposed to somehow make it bad

[@pretentiouscameron7815]

@@lepersonnage371 Getting pressed over a joke

[@lepersonnage371]

@@pretentiouscameron7815 wym a joke? it didn't seem like a joke and tons of people actually have that opinion

[@CiaoKnives]

I’ve been saying for a while that if it wasn’t for Joaquin Phoenix, the original Joker wouldn’t have been nearly as good since Todd Phillips didn’t seem to have much to say. I was hoping this sequel would prove me wrong and I’ve never been more sad to be proven right.

[@ImpressionBlend]

Oh absolutely! People were mad at my mixed feelings "Joker" review back in the day, but this just further proves the point.

[@abelincoln8885]

Stop being a clueless liberal. Arthur Fleck was never ... the actual Joker. He was killed in Arkam ... by the Joker .... who was the product of Arthur & Quinn fall into madness.

[@jonfreeman9682]

Phoenix is good actor who elevated a good script in first Joker. But even the best acting can't fix a weak script. Still if you're into musicals it might but be so bad. Fans shouldn't expect the same as the first movie.

[@waverlyking6045]

I’m not against themes like class warfare, urban decay, and corruption being in films but Joker told us literally nothing new about those themes.

[@jimjam7928]

Yup. Phoenix was phenomenal in an otherwise derivative, crap film.

[@martin43427]

Total agreement on Leigh Gill as Gary. Probably my favorite scene of the film. It’s the first time I felt some emotional connection with the film. So much of the Joker persona is a symbol for the disenfranchised and downtrodden, yet Gary is a little person (even when he’s introduced you can hear people laugh at his size), and he tells about the trauma Arthur inflicted onto him by killing Randall in the first film, and tells Arthur that, “I felt so small. I was reminded how powerless I really am.” Such a heartbreaking moment and a great performance with limited screen time, but it forces the audience to consider how worse off someone more marginalized than Arther ends up being simply due to being friends. They both were nice to each other, yet Arthur makes himself feel more of a victim, never considering what it’s like to be in Gary’s position. Even Arthur makes him feel worse by mocking his accent. It’s a unique angle that shows the flip side of Arthur’s embrace of Joker that I wish the film explored more.

[@Deadpool-k-n]

I agree

[@user-gr4zt3nv7l]

I think I loved the movie once I realize what maybe the point of it was. This is just my analysis and I might be wrong. During the whole movie it builds up and builds up, you are left wanting that build up to lead to a beautiful climax of mentally unstable action, violence and love that everyone is craving and waiting for, then out of know where it stops. I believe joker even says something along the lines "I can't live up to what you want me to be". This in turn lets down all his supporters even the love of his life in the movie. But it almost lets down everyone watching the movie without you even knowing it, because he didn't do what you wanted. You never got that climax you were waiting and lusting for. For this i believe it was pure genius.

[@A.I.WarFare1947]

I used to think that my life was a tragedy, but now i realize it's a musical. -Arthur 2024

[@89jaguar17]

Todd's not much of a poet, ey? Yeahh he should just stick to directing

[@QUANTUMJOKER]

It's weird - I like Joker: Folie A Deux for many of the reasons people dislike it. I enjoyed seeing Todd Philips dissect his prior film and confront whether Arthur Fleck really is the Joker through the push-and-pull of the trial (no) and Lee's influence (yes). Shortly after Joker came out in 2019, one of my old friends adamantly argued that Arthur isn't the Joker; Arthur's lawyer, with her multiple personality defense, symbolizes these viewers, and Lee represents obsessed fans who miss the point and idolize bad people. I thought Arthur and Lee had good chemistry, and most of the musical numbers were rough and unrefined in a way that fits the grim setting. I agree that the film was padded and the plot was a bit thin, and it's not as good as the first Joker film, but I enjoyed it as a rather fun character study with Philips' cynical commentary on his own work.

[@matthewnicholls5496]

I can't believe that I came out loving the film. The courtroom scenes were too long and it would have been better to have someone playing Lee who can't sing well but, just like the first movie, you get the vivisection of mental illness and how it is treated in the US ( especially the Reagan years), the rise of the "serial killer" porn industry and the mass media pile on as well as the feeling of unreality ( what is true, what is not). The unreliable narrator style continued from the first movie and the fact that this was the NOT the Joker origin story part two ( just like the first movie wasn't) meant the disappointment from the comic book crowd was palpable and expected. A little more levity might have helped but at least I got to sing along in an almost empty theatre!

[@123rockfan]

This might sound like a weird comparison, but Joker 2 eerily reminded me of the Seinfeld finale. Both revolve around court trials that rehashes everything and treat the audience as idiots for having been invested with the previous episodes/film

[@ShawnFitzgeraldPhoto]

I thought it was passable for about 2/3rds of the film…until I realized that there was no point to the film. 138 minutes of making the audience feel awful. The joke was definitely on us.

[@sonicsnake44]

Exactly it didn't go anywhere and was a waste of time.

[@SpyKiFTW]

I'm surprised at how much I loved this film based on what I'd heard about it and the reaction it was getting. For me it's all about Arthur finally getting the love and attention he'd always wanted, from the public and personified in Harley, and trying to play into the Joker character because of that but eventually coming to realise that's not who he was or what he wanted and having the people that claimed to love and care about him turn their back on him. Its tragic and I thought it was a very interesting place to take things that I didn't expect. The musical aspect really worked for me as a fun way to explore how the characters were feeling as the film progressed but also to heighten that sense of love and magic Arthur was feeling and make it all the more powerful when she's leaving him and he's begging her to stop singing. The idea of the shadow of your actions eventually becoming more powerful than you and causing harm you didn't intend is definitely one of the most ambitious ideas a comic book film has tackled and for me it worked completely. I'm sad that it seems I'm one of the few.

[@Chuck.Spirit]

Well put! I'm with you all the way, it was outstanding.

[@Deadpool-k-n]

I totally agree with you. I was reluctant to go because of the reviews I feel when he couldn’t deal with real life he would go into this imaginary character, hence the singing and dancing.

[@ΑγγελικήΚαλομοιράκη]

Every review is about stylistic details but a good story should be philosophical.

[@humberto022]

0:32 pardon my french ❤

[@enric-x]

It's NOT the Joker, in either film.

[@mustsnip537]

shoulda made the movie from Harleys POV starting out as a courtroom physiatrist assigned to Arthur, at first she sees him as another crazy guy but as the court goes on she sympathizes more and more with him and his ideals. have Arthur as more of background character. i think that would have been much more interesting.

[@TaliesinBHeidkamp]

True but I'm not sure I'd trust Todd Philipps with telling a story from a female perspective

[@aesop1451]

"And then they start robbing banks and blowing things up! Then they break up like in the Margot Robbie movie and the animated TV show. Then Arthur fights Robert Pattinson's Batman while teaming up with Colin Farrell's Penguin!" 🤪

[@rodycaz8984]

LOL. Sounds awful. That would've been worst.

[@Ailacatailu]

@@TaliesinBHeidkampyeah, I think best case scenario he’d make her a cypher

[@jaredarola8877]

Release the Gaga Cut!!!🥺😩😭

[@sonicsnake44]

I am also curious what was cut.

[@C23_I]

Just saw it today and not only was it underwhelming, the story was so unfocused and Harley Quinn was extremely underutilized

[@dname1802]

You said it well. First movie ended story arc perfectly, so there is no need for a sequel.

[@Sanderus]

It sounds this movie does a.thing which infiriates me the most in sequels. In the original our protagonist achieves something: learns a new skill, overcomes his fear, finally mautres emotionally or whatever the original movie might be about. And then the sequel resets the whole thing and treats it as irrelevant. At that point I treat the said sequel as irrelevant and treat it as non existent.

[@ImpressionBlend]

So true and so frustrating!

[@dylanwong6065]

Good thing I made the right choice to see The Wild Robot around my birthday weekend. The Wild Robot is definitely a fantastic animated movie I saw in 2024. But I am surprised to hear that Joker 2 has received terrible reviews from both critics and audiences. What a shame because I really like the first Joker film back in 2019. It was a great comic book thriller film in my opinion. Joaquin Phoenix is still my second favorite Joker after the late Heath Ledger. I really need to be very careful about being excited, hyped, and having high expectations. Well looks like Joker 2 will more than likely failed at the box office and also gets the Razzie nominations. The only good comic book movie of 2024 is of course Deadpool and Wolverine which ironically surpassed Joker (2019) as the highest grossing R rated film of all time.

[@aesop1451]

Why did you like Joker in the first place? It wasn't a typical comic book movie. Neither is the sequel.

[@markhernden9472]

I remember reading about a theater owner in Europe years ago who decided to edit out all the musical numbers in "The Sound Of Music". Sounds like a plan.

[@luciferfernandez7094]

That man is a hero!

[@idiot_city5444]

The rest of the movie is still garbage... wouldn't change a thing

[@DanV900]

This movie is very bad and I was annoyed watching it in the theater. The courtroom drama was so boring. There are so many great courtroom dramas and this utterly failed. Then what the guards do isn’t addressed at all at the end of the movie which made it feel useless. It escalated so much with their final scenes where it is a pointless movie.

[@ImpressionBlend]

It's honestly impressive how poorly the courtroom drama element plays, I don't know how they messed it up so badly.

[@DanV900]

@@ImpressionBlend It felt like someone who wanted to do a trial and then never even watched an episode of Law and Order let alone an actual great courtroom drama. It makes me think that Todd Phillips didn’t see A Few Good Men or My Cousin Vinny which aren’t deep cuts. The implied rape offscreen and that death of an inmate not being addressed whatsoever made it just needless to do in the movie towards the end. It’s like, “Here are 2 awful things that happened. Oh well, the movie continues.” The treatment of prisoners was an absolute lay up and wasn’t dug into really at all.

[@abelincoln8885]

FFS .. this was never a Court Room Drama or a Musical. Both Arthur & Quinn ... are two pathetic souls with mental issues ... with Arthur first falling into madness ... creating the Joker "Cult of personality" ... producing crazed fans ... including Quinn ... and .... the actual Joker who stabbed him to death at Arkham. Hmmmmm?

[@DanV900]

@@abelincoln8885 There are trial scenes from the 1 hour mark on. That is the courtroom drama part of the movie. It is not a full on musical, but of course there are elements with the musical numbers. To say it’s not a courtroom drama or musical is just not true unless you discount the scenes in the movie itself.

[@abelincoln8885]

@@DanV900 Stop this nonsense. This is neither a law drama or musical. The real Joker ... a mentally ill man to death who had just returned from Madness to take responsibility for people he murdered. But the Joker would never exist but for Arthur Fleck declining into madness and creating the Joker persona & cult ... and ... for Quin joining this cult & also going mad. Arthur came back from madness, rejecting the Joker persona, and Quinn now rejected Arthur with song ( symbolizing madness). This is a 9/10 films and lost a mark because they over did the (madness) songs.

[@TheAnadrome]

Marianna we completely agree about this one. I liked the original more than you did. I consider it one of the most important films of the Teens. In one interview Todd Phillips said that he send the screenplay to Lady Gaga when it was halfway finished and she agreed. And that perfectly sums up all of the strengths and problems on the film. I, too, was impressed by the fist act. And then... well obviously you know. I thought to myself as I walked out, maybe Todd Phillips had a change in philosophy. Maybe he saw the reaction to the first and said, No I can't do that again. I held out dwindling hope during the courtroom scenes that we might get another explosive turnaround, as happened in the first at the Murray Franklyn scene. And then... In a way, if I'm charitable, again Phillips was influenced by the dark existentialist tone of so many 70s films. And his message seems to be We don't need this pathetic man, the Joker as a symbol of chaos is already unleashed upon the world. But in fact he just wanted to strip away all of the mythology and leave us with this. And you are right about the use of Stephanie Germinatta, it seems like that half script was the best, and then the lure of the musical and the deconstruction of Joker took over. The more produced videos could have worked as separate promotional pieces. Thanks for thinking out loud about this Marianna. Meanwhile the Penguin seems to have picked up the Batslack. We do live in strange movie times. But it has been an incredible year for horror.

[@JasonVoorheesFriday13th]

This film has made me feel the need to watch Batman 89 and more importantly The Dark Knight just to feel better.

[@rodycaz8984]

That corny 80's crap sucks. Keaton's Batman is lame.

[@Thetoon25]

Have to say, I was pleasantly surprised by this. While I liked 'Joker' it has massive issue for me, the 'meet up' with Bruce Wayne. For me the Wayne's should have stayed in the back ground and and been a fleeting back drop to the story. Just references and brief glimpses was enough and maybe how their regeneration of Gotham and presence in the city affects people like Arthur /Joker. This on the other hand does something different and does continue and concludes the story. And does it very well. I though the acting, story and cinematic presence of the film was again different and somewhat new and refreshing. The two leads play off each other well and the court room scene is really well diretects and shines as the high of the film. You cannot redo the first film but it's another interesting take on 'joker' and does undo a sorta flaw in the original (spoilers - cannot say) story. Did not mind the ending, sorta fits in with the original and what the arch of this film is. All in all was a decent sequal to a film I really liked

[@kamccomb16]

I appreciate the deconstruction of Arthur’s thinking because we can agree that killing the people that hurt you to make a statement isn’t the solution. When he sees some of the damage “Joker” has done to Puddles (who is traumatized and says you were the only person nice to me) and the other prisoner that gets choked by guards (mentally hindered and just standing up for Arthur after he gets beat up) is when he admits Joker is fake in court. I do like Joker running away from his copycats and the ultimate ending just being a sign of it’s too late to backtrack

[@idiot_city5444]

It's Joker tho... he kills, lol.

[@ice319]

My best friend and I saw this last night. Our biggest issue with the movie is that it felt as if it were regressing from the original movie. We expected this to really bring out the Joker as a character, especially with Harley Quinn in the picture. Instead, by the end, it goes backwards. No spoilers, but if you watched it, you know what I mean, especially when it comes to Arthur. Definitely a let down. It should have stayed as a single movie, it didn't need a sequel.

[@Georgieiskewl]

Imagine stumbling upon a tortoise with a beautiful shell, it’s got gold and jewels encrusted on it back, you grab the tortoise to take a good look and it turns out the tortoise is dead. That’s Joker 2.

[@DeltaCodeGames]

You come across a tortoise on its back, in the middle of a desert.

[@LuxLenchner]

I can already tell the 2nd weekend drop for this is gonna be so huge based on what I’m hearing. Looking forward to Wild Robot taking the #1 spot again next weekend!

[@ImpressionBlend]

Yea, I can't see word-of-mouth taking this movie far past the opening weekend.

[@lepersonnage371]

For good or bad, this is probably the most realistic and true to the character continuation of the first movie. Arthur wouldn't be a Joker in the classic sense, the way he ends up in the 2nd movie is the only way tbh. And also Harley, if ran through as realisitc a lense as possible, would be just one of those mentally ill girls who drool over serial killers, that's why at the end she flipped him off because he doesn't want to be that Joker persona anymore.

[@djsoulfilter]

Ouch! I had moderate hopes it was going to be good. 😢

[@ImpressionBlend]

Yeaaaa same

[@susanmctavish6639]

I was actually thinking weeks ago this could be one of those sequels that's better than the original, but then started seeing all the reviews on youtube lol.

[@zachpajak7493]

Great review! Probably going to skip this one, or just wait for it to stream and then maybe give it a shot, but I'm not psyched for it. Interestingly, a friend on Facebook who reviews theater for a living posted about seeing it. She actually really loved it! She didn't detail the ins and outs, but I'm wondering if she got swept up by the theatrical elements.

[@ImpressionBlend]

Ooo I'd love to know why she felt that way, because even Dolby didn't save this for me.

[@Jfalla.photos]

We walked out of the theater it was so stupid. The producers must not know their audience.

[@aminsmit17]

You're great as always 🤍

[@ChickenOfTheCaveMan]

In the first Joker, he didn't have grand scheme to become an icon by doing stuff, it's luck, and in the second one he realizes that he isn't an icon, his character is. He's quite literally the definition of a sad clown, so either he chooses to hide behind the mask or be death row Arthur. I think it's quite character driven, him and Lee.

[@ColeSATurner]

Honestly, all of the issues I had with this were the same issues I had with the first film.

[@LycanVisuals]

I skipped and watched The Wild Robot instead lol

[@ImpressionBlend]

Wise choice lol

[@ryanrobotham7696]

​​@@ImpressionBlend Not even out in the UK yet, or Transformers One. Still watching those over this... and The Substance this Sunday.

[@petersawyer3328]

Absolutely loved this film. Loved the music, setting and the exploration of identity, celebrity, culpability, justice and society's judgement and treatment of mental illness. Thought it was a more enjoyable experience than the first film which left me in tatters....

[@mallaryroberts3346]

I’m glad I told my husband we should wait to stream it lol Gladiator II is what we are most excited to see! That’s a movie theatre date night for sureeeeee 🙌🏼 I can’t wait to hear your thoughts on that one!

[@dan_hitchman007]

It makes the first film pointless as well. It's like James Cameron saying that "Terminator: Dark Fate" was canon with the first two films and then offs the whole reason for the story in the first place... at the start of the film, no less. It's as if Todd Phillips is laughing at us for pouring money into his wallet for the original Joker movie. I'm sure he said there would be only one movie anyway.

[@martymascarin486]

Musical numbers can complement characterization, advance the plot, simply entertain. This became a struggle from the get-go. As you point out, cinematography is impressive, Phoenix does his usual deep dive, being emaciated; Gleeson is an unsettling good cop/bad cop type. Set design's impressive. But if you're gonna lead an audience down the rabbit hold of a character's psychological torment, clarity is a must. This gets fumbled here, especially towards the conclusion. Megalopolis, for all its faults, was at least more entertaining. Sigh.

[@SinSationNation]

Joker 2 is Todd Phillips masterpiece of what not to do for a Joker sequel. Pure utter garbage 😝

[@Ashworth6]

Or indeed any sequel.

[@lepersonnage371]

They just did what audience didn't want, but also it feels like the sequel is the most realistic continuation and true to the character of Arthur. He could never be a comicbook prince of crime, and when at the end he says that he is basically fed up with the act, people walk away from him, and this is a mirror to the audience, because after watching the first movie and entirety of the second one, learning who Arthur is, they still wanted him to be THE Joker, after all of what is shown and knowing that he puts on Joker as a mental armor, they still don't care for him and only want a theme park of carnage and killing as THE Joker. I'm not a big fan of this direction of the sequel maybe, and also i think he shouldn've been singing but he should've been only dancing, singing ruins the style of his joker, takes away all the chilly mistery, but this is still the most realistic continuation. If in the sequel they'd establish him as a typical Joker, it wouldn't make sense, Arthur as a person can't carry this out. As much as people hate on it right now, some will come to understand that this is a true portrayal of him as a person, he can't be something you want him to be.

[@Elwin-w3v]

The courtroom drama could have turned into a hostage situation with so many joker supporters there. It would have been more interesting and dramatic

[@CYBERDOODY]

I hope that this marks the end for 'realistic' Joker performances. We need a new kind of Joker or they need to go back to the comedic but menacing old school comic book Joker. Everyone is still trying to do a version of Heath Ledger's Joker. Except Ledger's Joker was also really funny, the copycats forget that

[@DanV900]

@@CYBERDOODY Heath Ledger was very funny as Joker with the dark humor while dead panning. People try to pretend he wasn’t which is bizarre.

[@CYBERDOODY]

@@DanV900 He was really funny, I agree. Its just everyone copies the other aspects of his Joker but remove the humour which is weird.

[@DanV900]

@@CYBERDOODY Oh yeah. I would agree with that with Leto and then Phoenix’s portrayal for the live-action performances. It’s just deadly serious and is missing that fun and whimsy.

[@idiot_city5444]

The next Joker has already been shown, and he's realistic lol

[@CYBERDOODY]

@@idiot_city5444 Yep, hooray for more of the same!

[@johnscardina6718]

I haven’t seen this yet. I thought for sure if there was a part two, it would be about the prisoner next to his cell at the end of part one.

[@Gavin48]

I do think Todd Phillips gets a lot of flack from some critics because he isn't an indie darling who finally made it. He's a guy who made popular frat boy comedies, then leap frogged into getting Oscar Noms. If Greta Gerwig had made Joker and made it the exact same way. The same critics bashing Todd would have loved Joker and praised it.

[@davidunderwood1773]

If Phillips was an A24 horror movie director first, he would have been praised to the skies.

[@gavinhenderson7250]

I don't know If they would.

[@artarealmblazer]

He’s a hack, get over it

[@garrymugen486]

Hmm feels like they didn't want to or were prevented from going to the Dark despair pressure cooker that hit home with the first Joker. I guess they forgot that Joker is a villain that embraces anarchy not an anti-hero they might be trying to cookie cutter him into. Quite a shame had high hopes, now wondering if I should refund my ticket or not. Thanks for the heads up as always Marianna (:

[@ImpressionBlend]

Honestly, if they don't want that sweet, dark despair then why make this movie at all?

[@garrymugen486]

@@ImpressionBlend Couldn't agree more with you on that note. Very sad that it's the case for part two. P.S. Maybe the real world is getting to that point of despair and making art hitting too close to home is not something a Studio wants to highlight or be the catalyst that may inspire real world events, especially since this version is more grounded and less comic feel, which was the appeal in the first place (;

[@ShineMedia1]

Its a magnificent sequel honoring the first joker movie yet expanding into a richly layered character deepening cinematic fest. What are you all talking about? Its as close to cinematic perfection as I've seen in a long time. Not enough explosions and fast cars for y'all? 😂

[@JarMar3296]

The reason that this movie and to some extent the first movie don't have much to say is because Todd Phillips as a director doesn't have much to say. I think it's time to accept the fact which many of us already knew, Todd Phillips is no auteur director.

[@Deadpool-k-n]

I was reluctant to go to this movie after reading negative reviews. I think a lot of people didn’t get the gist of the storyline. I feel when he couldn’t handle real life he would turn everything off and imagine the dancing and singing. It was his way of coping.

[@DarthHomercles]

Yeah, this movie was pointless and dull. I really enjoyed Arthur's character arc in the first movie, but like you said, it felt like everything that needed to be said was said in that film. Why a sequel? All this movie did was tear down what came before it without building anything new or interesting. I generally like musicals, but this wasn't good. The majority of songs had a tenuous connection to the characters and plot. It just slowed everything down. The courtroom stuff barely felt like it had any stakes. I've seen more exciting episodes of BOSTON LEGAL. And the ending scene... if that happened in the first movie, I would have bought into it more. Here it just seemed like punishment for the audience. Like you, I enjoyed the first act, but ultimately this movie was so disappointing. Why the studio greenlit this script it beyond me.

[@shefulloflight]

It would've been very cool if Lee were a figment of Arthur's imagination! 🔥

[@SleepFan771]

I just wanted to hear that Brendan Gleeson comes out unscathed. He's such a killer actor. I bet the musical aspects would have gone over better with story relevant original pop songs instead of bad jazz covers. I mean, they had Lady Gaga!

[@ImpressionBlend]

Brendan Gleeson is great, I wish he had a bigger role

[@kolbe11]

First one was argument, the second one proves it.

[@TheOrangutan01]

THAT ending - basically makes the first movie pointless 💤

[@jarrodedson5441]

This film felt like one uneventful fever dream that ill foeget in about 1 day

[@sorahweiss5821]

Best movie of the year! Re: the ending: He was guilty on all 3 counts... he would have been killed any way. I felt totally engaged in the movie and I've seen more movies than anyone I've known all my life... sometimes. morning till night... I also love musicals ... old and new. You have a. cool accent but you're saying the wrong things. The music that Arthur felt and imagined and sang were intensely beautiful and "standards" something before your time but tried and true melodic melodies that are extremely famous with and without original singers, except when Lee and Joker sang them, and were all wonderful! The movie was both fantasy and reality, mixed with precision. This film was artsy and amazing and it hit the mark. Stick to what you know.... Netflix horrors and empty stories that please the dumbed down masses.

[@tomislavzdunic802]

Date world premiere First joker.. 4 10 After..global war operation cod name covid 19.. phantom 19 Date world premiere La folie..world is stage.. 4 10 again Good help us My english not good Greetings from Croatia

[@theparadox89]

I’m seeing conspiracy theories being talked about that this film was intentionally made to bomb and be poorly reviewed so it hurts the legacy of the first film and stops this version of the Joker being idolized by some 😅

[@BrantheMovieMan]

Joker: Fully a Snooze

[@typefeisu]

omg I agree completely!! of course Joaquin was great, songs were fun, and the beginning was great! I was on board and then I was ??? oh no... and then I forgot about it 10 mins after it was over

[@luciferfernandez7094]

I knew I didn’t want to see Joker 2 the moment I ended watching the first one, which is a big overrated piece of crap - the great acting of Phoenix is lipstick on a pig. It must suck to be Todd Phillips: you make a hit and a ton of money and then eeeeverybody insist on you making a sequel and you do it to piss eeeeeverybody of. Check your contract before signing, Todd!

[@gurunugget]

BINGOOOO

[@Elephant2024-wi2li]

Usually don't care for sequels. Was really looking forward to this, but now not so much.

[@BrettWB]

Its not Lady Gaga, it's Ladyyyy GaaaaGAAAA. She's in a Batman film 😉

[@ImpressionBlend]

I'm still salty she stole a Queen song for her name

[@BrettWB]

@@ImpressionBlend Ha fair. No matter what anyone says, Freddie Mercury is THE Queen. No singer is better than him except Celine Dion, but he could write and play instruments on too of that.

[@jackfrost187]

The writers got a lot of money from the first joker so they bought a lot of coke and started writing the sequel. Well that was it....

[@Ailacatailu]

I like that this is a bad sequel called “folly of two” even though that’s not exactly the meaning of the French phrase. It is still funny to me

[@realscottsummers]

Whats the background music in your video? I really like it

[@cinema_recall]

So many critics are getting the point of the movie wrong. The movie is not about Joker as a person but more as an idea. The musical moments were made for our characters not us. Gaga is doing a very different interpretation and I dug it

[@thomashenry3014]

it was clearly meant for my character to watch, NOT me 😆

[@dimitri_rascolov123]

well at least nobody expected so much from this movie because of its genre and having Lady Gaga as a co-star however i do believe that the movie will be so diffrent if we cut off the musical part from it

[@seseval]

I believe he is further broken in jail because I believe he is being SAed again by the cops so he retreats into himself and he thinks he can use joker again to move past it but once they abuse him in his joker “costume” he is further broken because ultimately he is powerless

[@RipleyE-we1hj]

I wasn't a big fan of the first movie. With this one, the critics and audience score on RT are about the same. Ouch!!!

[@kirdot2011]

Snarky Jay gave 3 out of 10 so Im glad you both think similar

[@Archimatic-mexaa]

I went in not knowing anything because i enjoyed the first movie. I made the biggest mistake after the 20th musical i was already done and the story not progressing i was annoyed.

[@ignacio633]

I’m skipping this movie in theaters. Mainly because it’s a musical which to me doesn’t feel it goes with a film like this. So yeah , I’m not wasting my time and money for it.

[@DarkPrince784]

Ohhhh noooo. I liked the first film and was looking forward to the sequel but now I’m worried.

[@asan1050]

Thanks for posting this video.

[@xoxo20000]

Great review. I mean im not surprised this sucks. I didn't like the first movie and thought Todd Phillips and WB bribed the academy voters. Because no way did the first film deserve all the awards buzz it got

[@DugTheDog]

Might try to watch it when it comes out on streaming but also big chance may skip it altogether. I haven't heard anyone say they liked it so probably won't even waste my time with it.

[@tylerwatts3347]

Should've been a one and done but money talks 🙄

[@Brandon-yg7mw]

I didnt even really like the first one. It just didn't impress me that much it felt bland and predictable. Phoenix was never the right choice for this role

[@Me___378]

Why did you like the first joker movie? Because the miserable character did some murdering? Did you at all notice that it was a character study of a broken psyche? This sequel is A stark, bold take on what is at core a tragic character. No bubble gum comic book offering, the concluding half of Todd Phillips' 2-part story arc Is a beautiful, sad, incredibly powerful tale with genuine integrity. Lady Gaga is marvelous as Harley Quinn. She and Phoenix both deserve Oscar noms. Anyone who liked "Logan" should appreciate this unforgettable film as much, if not more. A musical?! Come on - that's brave! The singing took place in his lonely, yearning mind. This movie will stand the test of time.

[@davidmac6406]

Kind of ties in with the rest of reviews i've seen - such a shame was hoping it wasn't going to another script disaster

[@SteampunkCentral]

I'm afraid to see it.

[@rusenakman]

It's like they changed directors and new one deliberately f* characters up LOL He bring down everything people love about first movie. SPOILERS: They literally f*cked Arthur and killed of by the "real" Joker (Heath Ledger) at the end. This is a Killing Joke by Todd Phillips!

[@Chuck.Spirit]

Yes, the joke is mosy definitely on the viewer.. The viewer who doesn't get it, which seems to be the majority here. Arthur wasn't the psychopath you spent the whole movie wanting him to be

[@dacornguy]

Joker has gotten worse and worse since its release on rewatches. Also after you see both Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy, it just feels like such a blatant rip off of them without having any of its own ideas. With hearing how this is, can't say I'm interested in these films anymore.

[@ImpressionBlend]

It absolutely is a ripoff those films, with a bit of "A Clockwork Orange" mixed in, but a lesser version of all of those films.

[@TheRICKY85]

I lost interest when I first heard it was going to be a musical. After watching it, I think it could have been good, even as a musical, but it's just lacking overall. It needs to be renamed to Arthur Fleck.

[@stevenvo1999]

I’m very mixed on this film. It looks beautiful and is very well acted. And I admire what it’s trying to say, including being a surprisingly aggressive commentary on how some people viewed the first film. But it’s not able to say any of it in a way that is cohesive or fully developed. I will say the scene with Leigh Gill returning as Gary I thought was a standout scene to the point where I kinda felt he stole the show despite only being in one scene. And while I did enjoy some of the musical sequences and covers (I currently have Gaga’s version of “Close to You” stuck in my head), the choice to make it musical just felt superficial to try to be “different” and doesn’t add anything to the story overall. Can’t say I disliked this film as much as others, but it’s still a big disappointing step down from the first one.

[@NasAndChico]

I went to watch cause they said it was going to be a musical. I’m one of those people who likes musicals, I guess, but then it’s not that much and didn’t progress the movie. At the end I'm mad at myself cause I didn't even watch the first movie 😂

[@L.A.C_Santos]

Pointless??? Maybe you don’t know how to understand such a brilliant film. It’s a beauty.

[@WilliamNeish]

The jokes on them because the studio is going to lose their rear ends on this dud of a movie.

[@josanup]

Oh no! I’m gonna skip it in theaters. Will catch up in streaming, probably going to be on Max in a few months.

[@ImpressionBlend]

Oh yea, safe bet. I think seeing it in Dolby improved the experience for me, but I wouldn't recommend spending money on it unless you're a megafan

[@nicholaspetrick]

I thought this was the most interesting comic book film made in at least a decade. I agree that the musical scenes blend together a bit and aren't perfect but I think it's an intentional antithesis to the first film both within the film and outside of it. In the first film Arthur embracing the Joker is what we all want, we don't care what's best for Arthur, we want entertainment. We don't want him to get better we want him to get worse. Both in the world of the film and to audiences he's boring and a failure as Arthur, we want to be entertained through his psychosis, we want the Joker. The second film is Arthur is medicated and, while certainly not whole, thinking more clearly. He's still has elements of the system working against him but there are people actually trying to help him. His mind is torn between having a shot at life as Arthur, who no one including us as viewers care about, or giving into the Joker, who has a cult following in the film and we as the audience all want to see. It's a character act Arthur can put on to entertain his fans and be loved as opposed to the painful path of actually trying to get better. And while the Joker path may lead to him feeling loved, do his followers actually love him, or do they just love his act? And if they do just love his act, to quote the masterpiece Showgirls, "There's always someone younger and hungrier coming down the stairs behind you". Anyway, I think it's a great commentary on both the intoxicating but fickle nature of fame and also our obsession with real life tragedy as entertainment. A lot of the time we as a society marvel at a celebrities mental breakdown or follow a story about a serial killer on the edge of our seats. We don't want them to get better, we want them to entertain us. To me this film asks how far will a broken person act out feel loved and seen? If you're famous do people really love you or do they just love your act? Will everyone turn on you the second you don't give them exactly what they want from you? I would say that this movies thesis was proven correct. With both how things turn out for Arthur and the audiences reaction to the film. No one ever cared about Arthur, they only wanted the Joker or nothing at all.

[@Pär-OlaMårtensson]

Sat through the entire crap waiting for something to happen and it never did😅 Thankfully didn’t pay a dime since it was on streaming sites almost immediately.

[@ninamphotog]

Meh. Musical.

[@YesYouAreAbsolutelyCorrect]

The attempts to make comic book movies more than comic book movies culminated in a fist fight between The Gotham Police Department and a bunch of criminals in that Nolan movie. It all looks like a bad parody from a cartoon show without any self-awarness.

[@DanV900]

@@YesYouAreAbsolutelyCorrect This is simply not true when A History of Violence, American Splendor, and Persepolis are comic book movies. A Contract with God popularized the phrase, “graphic novel.” In that story, a man gives up his faith after the death of his adopted daughter. Comic book stories span many genres with deep themes and aren’t just superhero stories.

[@YesYouAreAbsolutelyCorrect]

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[@kosmosyche]

Should have called it Joker 2: We Live In a Society.

[@ImpressionBlend]

Isn't that the subtitle of the first one though?

[@kosmosyche]

@@ImpressionBlend Quite possibly it is. Then they should just continue with the good tradition.