Joker - Midnight Screenings Review

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@rainshadow1844
@rainshadow1844 5 жыл бұрын
Everyone is assuming that Thomas Wayne, one of the richest men in the world, couldn't manipulate the contents of his mother's folder.
@FavioRiveros
@FavioRiveros 5 жыл бұрын
NOBODY!!!! wants Wayne as Joker´s Father!!!!!!!!
@rainshadow1844
@rainshadow1844 5 жыл бұрын
@@FavioRiveros First, you are dealing in absolutes. Screaming "nobody" as a statement of fact is a faulty argument. But that's not the point I'm actually arguing. The point is that the story is open ended and left to interpretation. Not knowing the facts 100% keeps the Joker's "origin" as multiple choice.
@FavioRiveros
@FavioRiveros 5 жыл бұрын
@@rainshadow1844 I´m sorry! you´re absolutely right! let me rephrase that! Nobody with good taste!
@MaaZeus
@MaaZeus 5 жыл бұрын
@@FavioRiveros I agree, I was gritting my teeth when the movie hinted that Thomas could be Jokers dad. That would have been so lame trope. Thank god the movie left it ambiguous.
@andrewthompson5748
@andrewthompson5748 5 жыл бұрын
Well it's actually not ambigious. Yes Thomas Wayne has the money to manipulate the folder, but there was a scene that explicitly showed his mother talking to the doctor. And yes Arthur did show up in the scene, but that's not to say it was a fantasy sequenece as much as he's just imagining himself at said appoitment.
@ibnmianal-buna3176
@ibnmianal-buna3176 5 жыл бұрын
“Why should I apologize for being a monster to society? Society never apologized to me for making me one!”
@theAngryscotman
@theAngryscotman 5 жыл бұрын
Dylan Matthews cool motive. Still murder.
@7Anakin7
@7Anakin7 5 жыл бұрын
I liked the allusions to Batman. It tied things up in an interesting manner.
@buddabro6722
@buddabro6722 5 жыл бұрын
It also makes a cool connection between Bruce and Arthur because, maybe not directly, but Arthur was responsible for the death of The Wayne’s
@greybeard6504
@greybeard6504 5 жыл бұрын
Just like “Logan”, it’s best if it’s a one-and-done. No sequel. It’s unnecessary.
@timyo6288
@timyo6288 5 жыл бұрын
a sequel will ruin this movie because he isn't really Joker he's just a crazy person.
@timyo6288
@timyo6288 5 жыл бұрын
@I say shotgun, you say wedding my take on this movie is its just a crazy persons fantasy, nothing to do with joker or batman but you can watch this film more than 1 way thats why it is a success.
@theocnetwork1521
@theocnetwork1521 5 жыл бұрын
But I really want a sequel. It doesn't have to include batman in fact I would prefer if it didn't
@timyo6288
@timyo6288 5 жыл бұрын
@@theocnetwork1521 no no no no no, lightning does not come in bottles twice. it would be a very bad idea. I'm sure Joaquim Phoenix realises this as well. THere will be no sequel to this standard.
@theocnetwork1521
@theocnetwork1521 5 жыл бұрын
@@timyo6288 but I still have hope. You never know 🤔
@stiltywilton
@stiltywilton 5 жыл бұрын
I actually really liked how they did "that scene" in the alley post the Gay Blade because they gave it zero weight in comparison to say the 1989 Batman. No slo mo pearls, no echoing screams. Thomas Wayne has some connections to the main character, but his death was played like some guy getting shot in an alley during some riots by some random jackoff in a clown mask. It's not Bruce's story, so it doesn't have that same focus. I thought it was fascinating to see it shot like that. I *was* legit dreading it when I saw they were going there, but I appreciated how they did it.
@KeybladeMasterAndy
@KeybladeMasterAndy 5 жыл бұрын
The Joker doesn't make a political statement. It's a personal vendetta.
@ECL28E
@ECL28E 5 жыл бұрын
But he goes along with it, because it's attracting a crowd. He's finally loved
@Xerock
@Xerock 5 жыл бұрын
Its personal to him, but since he imagines so much so vividly in his own mind, anything has the ability to become personal.
@demianoff
@demianoff 4 жыл бұрын
Political statements are personal
@ChristopherJames1993
@ChristopherJames1993 4 жыл бұрын
It's not a vendetta. Everyone who dies in the film has screwed him at some point.
@mokonarose01
@mokonarose01 5 жыл бұрын
i just have one question, how many involuntary celestials did you see floating around the theater?
@chaosvii
@chaosvii 5 жыл бұрын
The _Wanderer it’s wordplay off of the term “incel” mocking the fearmongering around people that form an identity around being involuntarily celibate. It also mocks the incel identity of “I’m in pain and therefore better than you”
@KEVMAN7987
@KEVMAN7987 5 жыл бұрын
I went with my brother. We were the only men not there with a woman.
@KenFM12.93
@KenFM12.93 5 жыл бұрын
I found it quite hilarious when Arthur/Joker was performing for the kids in the hospital and out of nowhere his gun drops from his pants. Like,that wasn't suppose to be there lmao.
@ReelNinja1
@ReelNinja1 5 жыл бұрын
That and the glass door scene was phenomenal lol
@WhelmedButReady
@WhelmedButReady 5 жыл бұрын
Yep, I laughed at that too
@CatLives9
@CatLives9 5 жыл бұрын
Would've been more fitting if it went off, scaring the kids and nurses.
@Szt1998
@Szt1998 5 жыл бұрын
@@CatLives9 Would have been unrealistic though. Guns don't just go off.
@djinnaz0074
@djinnaz0074 5 жыл бұрын
@@Szt1998 revolvers from the early 80's do.
@DieHardAlien
@DieHardAlien 5 жыл бұрын
More Brad and Rob! I may have some mixed feelings on Channel Awesome, but if this becomes a thing since Brad has moved near them, I’m fine with this. You two have a great rapport together.
@FisterSavage
@FisterSavage 5 жыл бұрын
Please let the format go back to this. Car forever
@LenHazell
@LenHazell 5 жыл бұрын
The Waynes had been watching Zorro the Gay blade and Blowout so that sets it in 1981
@BannedPhotoshop
@BannedPhotoshop 5 жыл бұрын
4:00 - finally someone who realized this scene was based on real life!
@bibniebt
@bibniebt 5 жыл бұрын
Rob’s “studio exec” voice gets me every time
@isaacrichter3269
@isaacrichter3269 5 жыл бұрын
Whenever Rob says "we" or "our" about his local theater I have to remind myself he's married, because I keep hearing that he's referring to Doug (those two often sound like an old married couple, hahahha). About the "spoon-feeding" issue, that's just something we have to accept about mainstream Hollywood films, which is why they can never go all the way with their visions. This one went really far and I can kind of see how it got into the Festical circuit, but in the end it is still a mainstream film and I always feel those are making concessions for their audiences. Also, as someone who has seen it twice (I saw it at TIFF and then a second time at a Press screening about a week ago), it definitely is worth a second viewing. I'm glad you guys liked it.
@JorgensZelda
@JorgensZelda 5 жыл бұрын
There's still some ambiguity, when they show the photo with TW on the back. Maybe Thomas Wayne had her committed to discredit her. After all, Arthur does look a bit like Thomas, especially the nose. And Thomas is old enough, with a visibly younger wife. Who knows?
@Jellycakelap
@Jellycakelap 5 жыл бұрын
The subtext of this movie speaks to folks who either have mental illness OR care for people with same. There's a thing in this flick that's on a specific wavelength -- 'How bad will it get if I don't have medication?' or -- 'Can I trust what I see?' -- this was better for me, I guess in terms of being true to mental illness. The helplessness of the bus scene -- it's a gut-punch. I liked it.
@mossadon
@mossadon 5 жыл бұрын
Right there with ya. They NAILED it.
@Noname304y2u2
@Noname304y2u2 5 жыл бұрын
People applauded at my cinema.
@MaleTears
@MaleTears 5 жыл бұрын
Hilarious when us Americans clap during movies.
@somerandolad
@somerandolad 5 жыл бұрын
Especially when the film centers around psychopaths
@Noname304y2u2
@Noname304y2u2 5 жыл бұрын
@@MaleTears I am not American.
@coreylucas5346
@coreylucas5346 5 жыл бұрын
Vinnie J Same.
@cakestalker
@cakestalker 5 жыл бұрын
It's always embarrassing when that happens.
@deltasceptile7805
@deltasceptile7805 5 жыл бұрын
This movie definitely took place in 1981. That was when Blow Out and Zorro: The Gay Blade came out.
@keijijohnson9754
@keijijohnson9754 5 жыл бұрын
When I saw those titles on the theater, I thought those were porn movies at first and Bruce’s parents took him there with them. Man do I feel dumb there after looking that film up.😅
@Monkofmagnesia
@Monkofmagnesia 5 жыл бұрын
This is what I love - two long time friends talking about a movie each have just seen but independant of each other. The fact that they are kong time friends adds to it.
@TheGrindhouse70
@TheGrindhouse70 5 жыл бұрын
Kong time!
@misaeltoral508
@misaeltoral508 5 жыл бұрын
S.Y.D. Donkey Konga friends
@michaellynch3502
@michaellynch3502 5 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed Joker. I viewed his laugh like Travis Bickle’s smile (at time it seemed that he wasn’t sure when to do it and didn’t seem to know if it was appropriate to do so at that time). I did feel that the film should have ended at several different points (but I’ve been feeling that way about a lot of film endings lately). Overall, I thought Phoenix was great, the writing and directing were also well-done, everyone involved did a standup job with this film. Also my favorite line; “Someone who hides behind a mask.” The line always makes me laugh because it’s Thomas Wayne who says it and since we all know who Bruce Wayne becomes.
@Verrifier-z6z
@Verrifier-z6z 5 жыл бұрын
Until he breaks out of hospital. Remember, they were shutting the system down, maybe the last scene is Joker escaping
@jonathansefcik473
@jonathansefcik473 5 жыл бұрын
Hooray the car!
@dreamlandnightmare
@dreamlandnightmare 5 жыл бұрын
2:58-3:01 - You skipped the correct year. It's set in 1981. (Blowout came in 1981.)
@filmfreakreacts2516
@filmfreakreacts2516 5 жыл бұрын
dreamlandnightmare finally someone points out Blow Out and not Zorro
@avenger20sfancasts
@avenger20sfancasts 5 жыл бұрын
This film didnt feel like it was builfing a franchise at all...
@fortblocks
@fortblocks 5 жыл бұрын
I love builfing Franchises
@sperrin
@sperrin 5 жыл бұрын
I loved the Joaquin Phoenix/David Letterman interview throwback.
@ParkerStanfieldFilm
@ParkerStanfieldFilm 5 жыл бұрын
Dave would have had much more insightful things to say. Rob's obvious aversion to art films isn't appealing to listen to.
@maxthescarecrow4038
@maxthescarecrow4038 5 жыл бұрын
And Dave wouldn't have been like "No! Damn it! It has pollitics in it!" and we could've had an insightful conversation about what the movie was actually about.
@Mathadar
@Mathadar 5 жыл бұрын
Loved it. Love how they put in the multiple choice angle that the Joker is known for, and a lot of references to every incarnation of the joker. Phoenix's interpretive dance was a martial art, tai chi in the bathroom past first murder.
@glennwelsh9784
@glennwelsh9784 5 жыл бұрын
I do feel like including "That One Scene" at the end was unnecessary, since we've seen it so many times in every iteration of Batman on screen. I would've been fine with it if they just teased it by showing just the lead-up to it and then cutting back to Arthur/Joker before a certain character "gets what he deserves". Seeing just the lead-up would've been enough because everyone and their grandma knows what's coming next. There was no need to show it.
@exiledPostman
@exiledPostman 5 жыл бұрын
I think at this point, we've seen Tom and Martha Wayne get shot more times than there have been theatrically released Batman movies.
@AngelofMusic04
@AngelofMusic04 5 жыл бұрын
It was also rude of Joe Chill to shoot Bruce Wayne's grandparents like that.
@glennwelsh9784
@glennwelsh9784 5 жыл бұрын
@@exiledPostman Yeah really. At this point, all they had to show was the movie theater, the Waynes exiting and walking into the alley, and the clown protester following them. We didn't need to see him gun Thomas and MARTHAAA down for the umpteen billionth time. We don't even need the sound of the gunshot or muzzle flash. I also agree with Rob that the movie should've ended with Arthur dancing atop the jar and smearing the blood on his face. But instead, we cut to Arthur locked up in what is assumedly Arkham, as if we all don't know that's where he's going to end up at that point.
@glennwelsh9784
@glennwelsh9784 5 жыл бұрын
@@exiledPostman Yeah really. At this point, all they had to show was the movie theater, the Waynes exiting and walking into the alley, and the clown protester following them. We didn't need to see him gun Thomas and MARTHAAA down for the umpteen billionth time. We don't even need the sound of the gunshot or muzzle flash. I also agree with Rob that the movie should've ended with Arthur dancing atop the car and smearing the blood on his face. But instead, we cut to Arthur locked up in what is assumedly Arkham, as if we all don't know that's where he's going to end up at that point.
@taylorscott9292
@taylorscott9292 5 жыл бұрын
Glenn Welsh yeah the Wayne’s scene was bs (especially with how little expression Bruce gives) but the end scene at Arkham I think is so it can still be ambiguous as far as what did and didn’t happen
@KaleaTheVampire
@KaleaTheVampire 5 жыл бұрын
I disagree. The way this ends you question if what we just saw really happened. 10/10 film for me. It's a masterpiece! Joaquin Phoenix should get an oscar! His laugh is incredible! He studied real life peoples laughs to create his. The way it hurts him to laugh sometimes is incredible. The first laugh of the movie was so good cause you couldn't tell if he was crying or laughing. I love you guys but disagree with you guys a lot on this one. But I get your points of view. I recommend people watch Grace Randolph's spoiler review of this film cause she says exactly why this movie is a masterpiece.
@anggi8699
@anggi8699 5 жыл бұрын
My friend pointed out that things got weird ever since Arthur stop taking his medication. And it makes us think are any of those events actually happened.
@anggi8699
@anggi8699 5 жыл бұрын
@Michael Anderson I agree with you. The movie is filled with symbolism. The medication, the laugh, the stairs, the train ride to wayne manor. This is how symbolism should have been done in a movie. Subttle and well planned.
@7Anakin7
@7Anakin7 5 жыл бұрын
@@anggi8699 I did get the symbolism regarding the stairs. But what did you mean with the train ride ? What does it represent?
@anggi8699
@anggi8699 5 жыл бұрын
@@7Anakin7 that the waynes don't even live in the city proper but thomas wayne want to be the mayor of the city. They live so far away, that arthur have to take a train just to visit their mansion. It symbolise how detached the rich and powerful from the rest of the population.
@7Anakin7
@7Anakin7 5 жыл бұрын
@@anggi8699 Huh. Good point!
@MichaelS-jk8tj
@MichaelS-jk8tj 5 жыл бұрын
Also she had that picture signed TW that joker found near the end. To people who believe that an incredibly wealthy and powerful man could have that covered up and the woman institutionalized driving her crazy in the 80s I think makes it more ambiguous.
@petermulder7480
@petermulder7480 5 жыл бұрын
Best moment of the movie. The old Warner logo. It gave me the old VHS chills.
@PhantomShadow224
@PhantomShadow224 5 жыл бұрын
39:20 I just assumed the guy was Joe chill and had fate take its course. (I think there was an alternate universe comic where instead of the parents dying like usual, it was Bruce that got shot, and Tomas Wayne became a vigilante to avenge the death of his son) that would be crazy if they went that direction.
@TheFunklin
@TheFunklin 5 жыл бұрын
They imply that he was adopted as a baby around 30 years ago when she was working for Thomas Wayne. So he isn't supposed to be older than maybe 33
@drop_messages6226
@drop_messages6226 5 жыл бұрын
so, it implies that Bruce Wayne and the Joker are brothers
@MCCrleone354
@MCCrleone354 5 жыл бұрын
Bob Bob Half-brothers
@Hessed3712
@Hessed3712 5 жыл бұрын
I do not get why movie theaters place seats so close to the screen. Do some people have problems seeing the screen? Is it like airlines and they just try to cram in as many people as possible (even though no one sits there)? Great review as always. So for the random questions.
@TheAlicelagoon
@TheAlicelagoon 5 жыл бұрын
I know I liked to sit in the front row when I was a kid. Not anymore though.
@jarmakey1
@jarmakey1 5 жыл бұрын
This now came out? The way the news and everyone was freaking out about it I thought it came out last week.
@KeybladeMasterAndy
@KeybladeMasterAndy 5 жыл бұрын
That's what was so annoying about it. They went after the movie before almost anyone could see it.
@jamez6398
@jamez6398 5 жыл бұрын
"I don't get the ending." It's not a bad ending at all. It just isn't. The ending signified the death of Batman's parents, which drew the parallels between Joker and Batman. How they're forever irrevocably intertwined. It's poetry. "I don't get his interpretive dancing." He is a mentally ill man, and that's how he tries to cope with his condition. "I don't like the laugh." It's intentionally meant to be uncomfortable, because this movie is intentionally trying to be uncomfortable... "I didn't want the character to potentially die." I was interested, but I didn't really mind which outcome would befall him. The movie got so dark and misanthropic that it lowered my response to the content in the movie, so I only ended up caring about Arthur Fleck eventually, because he had enough character development to overcome that hurdle. The guy that died in the apartment scene was only so shocking because the violence was so extreme and abrupt, and because his death was so sudden and gory. Nihilism is a political belief, though, or at least a social one. It's a belief, regardless. You don't go around blowing up buildings if you're truly apathetic. The Joker in The Dark Knight is trying to rid Gotham of the criminal underworld because he sees them as a lesser class of criminal. He wants to spread chaos and anarchy, and prove that humanity sucks, which The Dark Knight sides with the "no, they don't" camp, whilst Joker sides with the "yeah, actually, they do" camp. In a sense, Joker is actually The Dark Knight's spiritual antithesis, in the sense that they're both on the complete opposite far ends of the spectrum when it comes to the sliding scale of idealism versus cynicism. The actual most unbelievable part of the movie is the scene whereby Arthur Fleck gets beaten up by a bunch of rich kids on the subway. First of all, rich kids are too much of a bunch of pussies to beat people up, that's a working class past time, and second of all, rich kids are too rich to use the subway. The scene makes no sense whatsoever. Are you on drugs? Literally the third quarter of the movie is the best bit. The ending established that the Joker indirectly caused Bruce Wayne's parents' deaths, which connected them irrevocably, and it showed he was in a mental health ward to set up where he wound up at the end of the movie. It also introduces the question of whether the whole movie actually happened or not. Just like the ending of American Psycho, and, just like American Psycho, if not, then how much of it was real? Now, my hypothesis is that the girlfriend wasn't aware he believed she was his girlfriend, and that the scene with him being worshipped atop the car were fantasies. The rest of the movie happened. The police disrupted the congregation, and imprisoned and/or killed the revolutionaries, and Arthur ends up being diagnosed with insanity and winds up being placed in the psychiatric ward, where he imagines murdering his psychiatrist, and imagines being chased about by the staff. "Did we need this?" Yes. It's called a plot twist. It is meant to signal his mental health deterioration, and to introduce the audience to the possibility that not all of the movie, if any of it, is actually happening. The plot twist being the official introduction to the audience of the fact that we're actually witnessing parts of the film from the perspective of an unreliable narrator, like in Mr. Robot. Except, there's also scenes that are from a completely neutral third person narrative perspective, instead of first person. This is the movie letting the audience know that not all of the movie is actually happening, and to encourage them to ponder how much of the movie is actually happening, and how much of it actually isn't. It also indicates his mental deterioration. It's the point in the movie whereby we learn he is having delusions, and it's the point in the movie whereby his sanity starts slipping. Also, losing that connection, because he's discovered it never actually happened, is another notch on the list of things that end up going wrong for him in his life, causing him to lose his inhibitions and his sanity. Those being him finding out he doesn't actually have a connection to his girlfriend, because she isn't actually his girlfriend, he just imagined that, him finding out his mother withheld information that he was adopted and that he was violently attacked and hospitalised by his stepfather, and, finally, his father figure he looks up to and idolises turns out to not like his stand up routines, and so thus decides to bring him up on stage to mock and ridicule him in front of all of his audience members, and him losing his job, and his access to a therapist and his medicine for his mental health. All of these factors combined are what led him to lose everything, which causes him to lose his sanity. Him finding out he imagined his neighbour being his girlfriend is an extremely important part of the movie... They didn't answer if Thomas Wayne is The Joker's father or not at all, though. He could've fabricated the documents that say Arthur's mother adopted Arthur. It only muddies the waters yet further. If there were no records, that settles it, Thomas Wayne lied about Arthur's mother being institutionalised because Thomas Wayne is Arthur's father, and he wants to distance himself from that fact because he doesn't want to risk the public finding out that he had an affair because he's wealthy and famous, so he would get negative press attention, and he doesn't want his dirty laundry being aired in public, or to be hounded by press wherever he goes, and have his name dragged through the mud in the public eye. The fact the document DOES exist, means Arthur either was adopted, or that the document was fabricated. The existence of the document only muddies the waters, and only makes the situation more ambiguous, not less...
@StonedGremlinProductions
@StonedGremlinProductions 5 жыл бұрын
Calm down. We both highly recommended the movie. I even kinda loved it.
@jamez6398
@jamez6398 5 жыл бұрын
@@StonedGremlinProductions I'm not pissed off, I'm just informing the other guy.
@catspaw3092
@catspaw3092 5 жыл бұрын
That cold stare he gave the social worker after being told he was being cut lose for lack of funding? Who wouldn't be scared when he looks at you like that?
@sadlobster1
@sadlobster1 5 жыл бұрын
I saw this movie last Friday and loved it the whole way through. Although, I didn't quite feel as goosepimply as most people did, when they saw it. Maybe, it's because I had a small connection with Arthur's character. Not only do I know how it feels to live with a mental disorder people don't understand (Congenital Hydrocephalus.) But I've been bullied for years for having special needs, much like Arthur did. But I had more reliable people to turn to, whenever I felt lost or in distress; like school friends, good teachers and/or my family. Arthur didn't have anyone to help him
@JorgensZelda
@JorgensZelda 5 жыл бұрын
Arthur is what happens when society utterly fails a person who needs help. Not one person really valued or saw him and he slipped through the cracks, hard. Worse, people actively kicked all the hope and decency out of him and then acted surprised when he lost what little grip he had on reality.
@Openreality
@Openreality 5 жыл бұрын
I too was able to identify with Arthur. I just feel that this film is one of those that is a one trick pony, not meant to be seen again after its been seen once. I am a veteran and the VA needs to be up to date with how they handle veterans. I have PTSD, however on paper its written off as anxiety. I saw a mental health doctor about two years ago, she gave me a pamphlet to read and return to her with what I think i have. I never did because i was insulted. The VA may "acknowledge" the existence of those who have PTSD or other severe mental traumas, but they sure as hell don't do a thing about it that is useful or helpful to those afflicted by it. I am 100% disabled due to this and the VA has done very little in ways of service and the nearest Wounded Warrior Project group is in Texas with nobody closer that is willing to even call me or talk to me about a ride to any of these meetups or events. I am one who has been failed by every organization i attempt to make contact with. The one anchor that has grounded me is my wife and kids. My parents haven't even tried to help me. The only other people in my life that has done anything remotely positive and helpful to me and my situation was my sister, distant cousin, and friends who've shared the foxhole with me so to speak, my brother in arms that currently lives in Georgia.
@sadlobster1
@sadlobster1 5 жыл бұрын
@@Openreality Thank you for your service and I can totally relate. For sixteen of my thirty-three years of life, I've felt alone. I have friends but so few of them REALLY understood me and my struggles with Hydrocephalus (however minor they are.) But then, when I joined Facebook years ago; I met so many people who lived lives near similar to mine. One of these individuals runs a charity group in Texas dedicated to helping those with Hydro all over the country. She and all others whom I've met that have Hydrocephalus of any kind have all become MY anchors
@JorgensZelda
@JorgensZelda 5 жыл бұрын
@@Openreality The VA might not be any help at all, but are there any support groups for veterans or survivors of trauma with PTSD in the area where you are? It may not be ideal, but it's definitely a start towards another anchor. If all else fails, there's a club for everything on Facebook now. You may be able to find someone to reach out to there. Good luck. Thank you for your service.
@mostmelon
@mostmelon 5 жыл бұрын
Rob has a new sibling to rival, and he's not coming back, Doug.
@TrevsMovieReviews263
@TrevsMovieReviews263 5 жыл бұрын
Spoiler Alert That scene where he shot Robert De Niro in the head was unsettling for me for some reason.
@josephg3462
@josephg3462 5 жыл бұрын
I think it was made to be unsettling. I heard they specially shot that scene and did SIGNIFICANT work on that one shot of De Nero's character having his brains splattered. It wasn't cut clean, and because of that it's VERY realistic.
@dislike_button33
@dislike_button33 5 жыл бұрын
...For some reason? How about because it's a human being getting shot in the head? That's the reason.
@SkottiKimble
@SkottiKimble 5 жыл бұрын
I still want Crispin Glover as the Joker in a movie.
@somerandolad
@somerandolad 4 жыл бұрын
Too late.
@ChristopherJames1993
@ChristopherJames1993 4 жыл бұрын
He's crap.
@zvimur
@zvimur 5 жыл бұрын
Strangely enough, one movie influence I don't hear mentioned is "The French Connection" (The 2 cops chasing Fleck in subway).
@liamdude5722
@liamdude5722 5 жыл бұрын
Rob, why are you cheating on Doug?
@cookiemocher388
@cookiemocher388 5 жыл бұрын
Love triangle with insest
@lisettegarcia7013
@lisettegarcia7013 4 жыл бұрын
Doug did the same with AVGN
@marykandis959
@marykandis959 5 жыл бұрын
I honestly really liked it! I liked the grit and grime. The few problems were overlookable and I think I'll probably go and watch it again.
@2120musiclover
@2120musiclover 5 жыл бұрын
Mary Kandis same
@stephensylvarwolf7940
@stephensylvarwolf7940 5 жыл бұрын
Anyone else hear the Joker laugh in Brad's during this vid?
@q_e__d6183
@q_e__d6183 5 жыл бұрын
sorry but I didn't get what thing were they referring to at 11:27. what is it?
@digitalshark
@digitalshark 5 жыл бұрын
I believe they are referring to the links created to the original Batman story.
@Malum09
@Malum09 5 жыл бұрын
Did someone say society?
@jamesanderson6373
@jamesanderson6373 5 жыл бұрын
*say
@Targisvear
@Targisvear 5 жыл бұрын
Just a Joker, living in a society.
@Malum09
@Malum09 5 жыл бұрын
Targi Svear as any good Joker
@NikkieTwix
@NikkieTwix 5 жыл бұрын
I loved this movie! Think it’s a modern masterpiece
@adrenacrumb
@adrenacrumb 4 жыл бұрын
Nah bitch, it was literally Scorcese films made into another movie.
@ChristopherJames1993
@ChristopherJames1993 4 жыл бұрын
@@adrenacrumb and. Scorsese borrowed from other people too. It's called cinema mate grow the fuck up.
@jamesl9362
@jamesl9362 5 жыл бұрын
I like the ending. It was a sad realistic movie, and then it slowly showed how a shitty economically depressed city with dissatisfied people COULD become a comic book city like Gotham.
@brianajaxwintor6023
@brianajaxwintor6023 5 жыл бұрын
I don't think tommy wiseau is a troll.
@Hessed3712
@Hessed3712 5 жыл бұрын
Brian Ajax Wintor Yeah, he is just a very odd man.
@EternalGuardian07
@EternalGuardian07 5 жыл бұрын
People keep putting this genius persona on him, like The Room was intentional. It's annoying.
@jb03hf
@jb03hf 5 жыл бұрын
I think he originally wasn't a troll. But now that the room has exploded he has become more troll like.
@EternalGuardian07
@EternalGuardian07 5 жыл бұрын
Could you imagine if they kept focus on the riot and the Waynes' murder was just in the background?
@Jones183
@Jones183 4 жыл бұрын
I actually kinda prefer that.
@heyitzbabygurl4025
@heyitzbabygurl4025 5 жыл бұрын
28:01 - 28:18 This is making me laugh and cry at the same time.
@cinemadrone1
@cinemadrone1 5 жыл бұрын
I'm with Brad they could've faded out after he danced on the totaled car. The scene at the hospital wasn't needed to me.
@joshuahicks7798
@joshuahicks7798 5 жыл бұрын
Nah the hospital scene is the cherry on top of all of this.
@josh111888
@josh111888 5 жыл бұрын
The theater at the end was playing Zorro: The Gay Blade, which came out in 1981 according to Wikipedia.
@thedankone245
@thedankone245 5 жыл бұрын
Gay blade,gay blade,let it rip
@argoth231
@argoth231 5 жыл бұрын
I do love that film.
@ontologicallysteve7765
@ontologicallysteve7765 5 жыл бұрын
I have a friend with a gay blade. He comes from the city of Sodom.
@tanstaafl1301
@tanstaafl1301 5 жыл бұрын
josh111888 Featuring the ever-tanned and too-suave George Hamilton...as Zorro's flamboyantly gay brother (who has to fill in for him while he is wounded or something -- I cannot remember exactly, been decades since I have seen it). He , um, stands out a bit more than the regular Zorro (including pink, lace-lined mask). "One pence, two pence, three pence a peso... "Everyone not Zorro stand up and say so!" Mildly amusing -- moreso for the early 80's cheek and cheese.
@artistwithouttalent
@artistwithouttalent 5 жыл бұрын
And I also saw a newspaper referring to a "disaster in the Ukraine," which I'm almost certain would be Chernobyl, which would be at least 1986.
@shaderax_storm6165
@shaderax_storm6165 3 жыл бұрын
I remember constantly looking at the signs on doors and the fact that he couldn't seem to get them to open for him... I had this dark suspicion that the hospital was all in his mind. I need to rewatch it. I will never forget at the end of the film in the cinema, a kid about 16-18 said "I thought this was meant to be a comedy" and sounded traumatized
@heyelliew
@heyelliew 5 жыл бұрын
"I was lied to by the outrage machine"
@cormoran2303
@cormoran2303 5 жыл бұрын
I also groaned at that one scene, it was even stupidly over the top. My nephew described it as someone firing a 'pearl cannon'. That Bruce Wayne is going to become Pearlman and use pearl themed gadgets to fight crime. That scene should have cut once it panned to the guy in the clown mask.
@ReelNinja1
@ReelNinja1 5 жыл бұрын
The pearls being snatched is necessary to the scene because they were being robbed. It wasn't a random killing. It was someone from a lower class in society robbing the rich. The reason it had to be shown is because of the joke. In the end, Joker tells the therapist he was thinking of a joke. When she asks to hear it, he says "you wouldnt get it". The joke is that he believed Thomas Wayne was his father but it turned out he was an orphan. Because of the shooting in the alley, Bruce (Thomas's son) became an orphan too.
@CatLives9
@CatLives9 5 жыл бұрын
@@ReelNinja1 I interpreted that "joke" and with them showing Bruce standing over his parents' bodies was that Bruce is now completely alone just like he is.
@ReelNinja1
@ReelNinja1 5 жыл бұрын
Feline Fatale that too
@cormoran2303
@cormoran2303 5 жыл бұрын
@@ReelNinja1 But the guy wasn't robbing them, he killed them because they were the Waynes. Also you don't need pearlfetti to get the idea of theft across. It was a silly addition.
@ReelNinja1
@ReelNinja1 5 жыл бұрын
Cormoran it was killing robbery. He stole her pearls. In different reiteration of the alley moment, the killer targets them for her expensive jewelry. In this film, they were targeted for being the Waynes family but it was also a robbery. This isn’t new. Watch Batman (1989), Batman Begins, and the intro to BvS. Her pearls being snatched is in every alley scene. I’m not sure Batman Forever mentioned the pearls snatching though so I’ll leave that one out.
@coreylucas5346
@coreylucas5346 5 жыл бұрын
Can we have more of Brad and Rob reviews.
@PhantomShadow224
@PhantomShadow224 5 жыл бұрын
37:59 I was more interested in the trailer for Doctor sleep (the shining 2) more than birds of prey. And I haven’t even seen the shining but I know vaguely what it’s about.
@schtive81
@schtive81 5 жыл бұрын
Going old school with the review from the car!
@stonecoldku4161
@stonecoldku4161 5 жыл бұрын
After I left the movie the song that came on the radio as I was driving was Watchtower. "There must be some kind of way out of here, said the Joker to the thief."
@mindlander
@mindlander 5 жыл бұрын
For me it was Ironman..oddly it works way better for the joker than Tony Stark. Think about it lol
@karenstarr
@karenstarr 5 жыл бұрын
You guys talked about how Joaquin's joker would be an old man by the time Bruce becomes Batman. But that's how it was in Gotham too. They kept introducing all the Batman villains while Bruce was still a kid. Cause they knew they had no show without the rogues gallery.
@hairlokk8672
@hairlokk8672 5 жыл бұрын
Also, they said it was how long ago his mom worked at waynes? 30? I hardly think she worked there long after getting the kid so would say he at most 35, but hard to say with adoption. Bruce looks like 13. 22 years older would probably make joker about 45 when batman appears, I think thats isnt a stretch
@Morgil27
@Morgil27 5 жыл бұрын
I'm still on the fence about whether or not i wanna see this, but if i do, it won't be for a while since i'm gonna be very busy for the next week.
@2dudesreview67
@2dudesreview67 5 жыл бұрын
We actually enjoy Rob and Brad together more than Rob and Doug tbh
@coreylucas5346
@coreylucas5346 5 жыл бұрын
2 Dudes Review THIS
@2dudesreview67
@2dudesreview67 5 жыл бұрын
huh??
@2dudesreview67
@2dudesreview67 5 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what we mean
@Verrifier-z6z
@Verrifier-z6z 5 жыл бұрын
You could argue it played out in therapy sessions
@donaldwagner8000
@donaldwagner8000 5 жыл бұрын
I SAW THAT NEW JOKER MOVIE ITS AWESOME AND BOLD AND THE SOUNDTRACK IS FANTASTIC , AND A THRILLING MOVIE.
@lisettegarcia7013
@lisettegarcia7013 4 жыл бұрын
Me, my stepdad, mom, and even my grandmother watched this movie last month, and we loved it (Buy my mom because in her opinion, she thought it was too out of place and why would Arthur kill his mom if he took good care of her). My grandmother loved this movie, even though she doesn't like comic book/superhero movies that much. Both me, my dad, and grandmother can agree that Arthur's mom are the source of her son's insanity.
@crashcarter8944
@crashcarter8944 5 жыл бұрын
What happened to live streams?
@StonedGremlinProductions
@StonedGremlinProductions 5 жыл бұрын
Live stream coming tonight on Judy, El Coyote, and War.
@kdiang03
@kdiang03 5 жыл бұрын
Sweet KZbin God's have answered our prayers y'all! The car is back!!!
@Kaefer1973
@Kaefer1973 5 жыл бұрын
Just watched it, it's not gonna threaten "Groundhog Day" for the position of the best movie I ever saw, but it's good.
@StonedGremlinProductions
@StonedGremlinProductions 5 жыл бұрын
I would love it if you used this review for everything you saw lol :)
@friendlypup5650
@friendlypup5650 5 жыл бұрын
12:14 Joaquin?
@randalgraves6979
@randalgraves6979 5 жыл бұрын
I’m in Denver and there not showing it at the same theater that had Dark Knight Rises
@alexjohnson1650
@alexjohnson1650 5 жыл бұрын
How sad :( Must have been very traumatic for the community and I hope they can eventually get back to enjoying films like this without fear. God bless them.
@randalgraves6979
@randalgraves6979 5 жыл бұрын
My Ex GF lived about 3 blocks away from him at the time. And her son went to that theater all the time, but was not there that night, after that he refused to go back.
@CatLives9
@CatLives9 5 жыл бұрын
The gunman told the authorities that night that he was "The Joker". So that's totally understandable that they're refusing to show this film.
@putridsunrise192
@putridsunrise192 5 жыл бұрын
@@CatLives9 Thats a lie. He never said that.
@CatLives9
@CatLives9 5 жыл бұрын
@@putridsunrise192 I'm sorry then. The same media that told me that this film was "violent" and "overtly disturbing" also told me that. I was lied to twice then.
@robertwild9447
@robertwild9447 5 жыл бұрын
At 12:13 Damn, Brad has a surprisingly good joker laugh.
@Little1Cave
@Little1Cave 5 жыл бұрын
Robert Wild Thought the same thing! XD
@dragoncatoverload
@dragoncatoverload 5 жыл бұрын
I went to see this yesterday; I had to watch cute kitten videos for an hour afterwards because this movie bummed me out so bad.
@MegaRambit
@MegaRambit 5 жыл бұрын
I think he was supposed to be 34-35 years old. That orderly guy said the adoption stuff happened "30 years" ago
@gRinchY-op5vr
@gRinchY-op5vr 5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing
@ohc1492
@ohc1492 5 жыл бұрын
Considering these guys are two film buffs it's impossible to think that they don't know at least the year of release of Blow Out and Zorro: The Gay Blade...
@weirds0up
@weirds0up 5 жыл бұрын
Spoiler Comment--------- So, the whole is he, isn't he Thomas Wayne's son. Even though they try and go "oh no, you're not. your mum was nuts" there was also the picture of his mum with the phrase "love your smile T.W." on the back which kind of leaves it an open question
@phoenixmagi2
@phoenixmagi2 5 жыл бұрын
No it doesnt. Its known she worked foe him as a fact. Just cuz he signed a photo once doesnt mean anything. If anything it shows how she could have thought that meant he loved her to further her dilusion
@zevadprime
@zevadprime 5 жыл бұрын
Or she could have wrote that note herself.
@MaaZeus
@MaaZeus 5 жыл бұрын
Or it could be someone else with same initials. She did date someone else when Athur was small, someone who caused Athurs braindamage, and we do not know what was his name. He could have been Tim White or Titus Walker or something. Or Thomas Wayne but not THE Wayne, which would be awesome because it would be perfect for feeding her delusions.
@KEVMAN7987
@KEVMAN7987 5 жыл бұрын
I'm looking forward to the sequel where Batman beats up a 70 y/o clown.
@dayzdove
@dayzdove 5 жыл бұрын
The Dark Knight Returns?
@calesgy
@calesgy 5 жыл бұрын
I actually lived in New York and seeing this movie it brings memories back. This is a brilliant movie. And I'm a psych RN for 16 years. This movie truly portrays mental health issues . The scene in the elevator I've lived it. I've been beating by patients 5 times. For you it's a movie. For me it's a true reflection of how fucked up our mental health care is. Yea laugh at him because he's dancing and mock him But he's the type of patient I take care of
@Avnirvana1
@Avnirvana1 3 жыл бұрын
Beaten by not beating. If you are beating by your parents, you should be in jail for assault
@MysticTruhan
@MysticTruhan 5 жыл бұрын
I was sitting next to someone who thought it was so cool and wacky to be laughing and talking throughout the entire movie. It was fucking infuriating.I don't know how you guys can still stand going to theaters, people are just way too obnoxious, it always ruins the experience for me. On the other hand, I would have definitely somehow ended up getting spoilered waiting for the blu-ray to come out. It's just impossible to win.
@widchaponjearaphunt5452
@widchaponjearaphunt5452 5 жыл бұрын
That how we lost our first Alfred LOL XD
@anaveragefilmmaker1422
@anaveragefilmmaker1422 5 жыл бұрын
And about the dark knight, what Rob mentions. I believe the idea that he said it is to prove a point and the end planning is actually very intentional. He changes constantly and you aren't going ever know his true motives. So by the end, it could be one thing and a completely different in the beginning. I mean why would he tell anybody what he truly intends? That's the chaos of it. I think it's a misinterpreted, but that's just my take
@catsmom129
@catsmom129 5 жыл бұрын
An Average Joe Filmmaker Agree. He’s lying constantly, and changing his story every 10 minutes. He’s supposed to be a mystery.
@anaveragefilmmaker1422
@anaveragefilmmaker1422 5 жыл бұрын
@@catsmom129 Exactly. Of course he'd want to be seen as a guy with no plan even if he did. That's the point.
@superkamiguru4615
@superkamiguru4615 5 жыл бұрын
I agree!! I think that interpretation goes along with his constantly changing back story too. Part of chaos is being unpredictable which Ledger’s Joker nailed
@PhauxTheFox
@PhauxTheFox 4 жыл бұрын
So about the killing of Bruce's parents.. by changing it from a random mugging (or assassination made to look like one) to someone killing him outright over wealth inequality and some negative remarks his father made, wouldn't that drastically change what Bruce would become? Also they were seeing Zorro The Gay Blade, which is about Zorro being injured and asking his flamboyant gay brother to take his place, the brother makes the outfit more flamboyant and there's other "haha he's gay" type shenanigans. I feel that would also have a different impact on Bruce. Overall I'd like to see whatever Bruce becomes in this universe. It's not going to be Batman but it should be entertaining.
@quietside3734
@quietside3734 5 жыл бұрын
Love the idea of filming reviews in the car! More like this please.
@wjzav1971
@wjzav1971 5 жыл бұрын
I agree with Rob here. After all that hype, I was almost disappointed. Saying that rich white people ruin everything is not exactly deep. The movie was good, but I was expecting something way more brutal and psychotic.
@theocnetwork1521
@theocnetwork1521 5 жыл бұрын
I want a sequel but I'd prefer if it didn't include Bruce/ batman . I'm more interested in the Jokers development
@yetanotherrandomviewer
@yetanotherrandomviewer 5 жыл бұрын
It may have ripped off Taxi Driver, but it was one of the better movies I have seen in a while.
@Theladywiththeblackdress
@Theladywiththeblackdress 5 жыл бұрын
Two tickets for Joker please
@andyhoov
@andyhoov 5 жыл бұрын
I definitely enjoyed it, and I thing it captured the sense of nihilism pretty well in that literally everyone and everything in Joker's life was shit. Even his mom turned out to be kind of terrible. Overall I liked a lot of the references to Batman, especially some of the more indirect one's drawing comparisons between Joker and Batman. Like how Thomas Wayne call going around wearing a mask cowardly and how some people embrace Joker as a masked vigilante. But yeah, we didn't really need to see Thomas and MAAAAARRRRTHAAA die again, they really could have just left off with the shot of them running into the alley. One idea I had that might have been interesting was Joker dying at the end. It might seem odd, but think about it, he might be gone but there were obviously thousands of people inspired to action by him, and then we could have just assumed that one of them carried on the legacy. Or maybe it's a shitty idea, I don't know. Lastly, as a fairly SJW-ish person, I really had no problem. I don't feel the movie is unfair in its depiction of mental illness because it's clear that he's not just a man with psychological issues, literally every social system has failed him, as has every other person in his life. When he was employed, on his meds, and seeing his psychologist he had problems but was still more or less functional. I also liked how Thomas Wayne was a total prick.
@doranconall9995
@doranconall9995 5 жыл бұрын
I saw and enjoyed the movie, and I think this movie would work as a prequel to the Nolan Batman universe and Ledger's Joker is someone who became inspired by Phoenix's joker or maybe even is the dad who gave him those scars.
@rockmanx20
@rockmanx20 5 жыл бұрын
it is fun how Rob walker says the movie is full of itself....ROB WALKER says that....
@SkolneyVikings
@SkolneyVikings 5 жыл бұрын
Mrs. Walker must be so proud
@geoffreysorkin5774
@geoffreysorkin5774 5 жыл бұрын
It looks like a decent remake of The King of Comedy with Batman Mythos tacked on.
@tanstaafl1301
@tanstaafl1301 5 жыл бұрын
Geoffrey Sorkin A bit. It is FAR more Taxi Driver -- with Arthur Fleck as an ever weirder and crazier Travis Bickle. They have different motives for finally cracking (and go after different types of targets -- Joker not trying to save a 13 yr old Jodie Foster from a life of prostitution), but both films highlight the gradual descent into madness. Although Travis was hailed a hero at the end of his film, and Arthur is locked up as a murdering psychopath, their journeys are not dissimilar. Even so, this is a great film. Like Taxi Driver is is controversial and has made many folks uncomfortable.
@conneroneill8506
@conneroneill8506 5 жыл бұрын
I think the whole taxi driver/king of comedy comparison is only skin deep. It’s def there but I think it has a lot of original ideas.
@CatLives9
@CatLives9 5 жыл бұрын
This feels like they just slapped the Joker brand on it to sell more tickets and it clearly worked. It was fine, but Arthur Fleck still was rather meek after his transformation.
@PhantomShadow224
@PhantomShadow224 5 жыл бұрын
I’m impressed that not only was this joker’s origin story. But Gotham’s origin story (because of the joker’s actions, crime in gotham escalated to the point where they need a hero to rival these clowns), Wayne’s story, and the joker goons story. (the one good thing the Gotham TV series did before screwing it up was, killing off a character similar to the joker but by doing so he promoted the idea of anarchy, spawning a bunch of fanatics, and the clever thing was from that point onward anyone could be the joker. But NO, the next season they just brought back the original guy to life with electricity, then brought him back again with the Lazarus pit which is really really bad writing because they keep introducing, killing off characters and reviving them.)
@The_Nametag
@The_Nametag 5 жыл бұрын
I liked the movie. Not loved though, 6 or 7 of 10. I agree that it would have been better without the Bruce Wayne scene. It was a good movie, difficult at bits to watch, and didn't delve quite as deeply as I would have liked. I also dislike that, basically, everyone would be able to know who Joker is in this. That's the antithesis of the character in the wider context. He's much better as just an unknown force, but here the police would easily know who he is. Shame. The trailers, on the other hand, are a masterclass on how to cut a trailer.
@princess0070
@princess0070 5 жыл бұрын
I want a sequal but without Batman. I just want to pick up with the joker becoming a crime boss...or something
@Luke.S2099
@Luke.S2099 5 жыл бұрын
Just got back. And, omg what an amazing film. Like holy shit. Lol a fight almost broke out at my local cinema too. I think the crazy from the movie was seeping out. Also yeah, this movie looked like it was definitely set in the last 70's early 80's :)
@mutalemwananshiku4098
@mutalemwananshiku4098 5 жыл бұрын
What was the fight about ?
@nickserafin2939
@nickserafin2939 5 жыл бұрын
Which theater are you checking out? Dont do the icon on Roosevelt
@drop_messages6226
@drop_messages6226 5 жыл бұрын
"Where are we going to go with this?" If you ask yourself this question during a suspenseful scene is a movie, chances are, its going to be a good movie.
@CatLives9
@CatLives9 5 жыл бұрын
I finally saw this film and it was fine. Certainly not the masterpiece that I was promised by all of social media. I'm feeling like Brad and Rob here. It's fine. Joaquin Phoenix elevated the material and they were really fortunate to get him to sign on.
@SylentMuchacho
@SylentMuchacho 5 жыл бұрын
Brads laughs always seem so fake and put-on.
@MichaelS-jk8tj
@MichaelS-jk8tj 5 жыл бұрын
I think there is something interesting to be said about the way they have the Wayne's die, its the reverse of traditional roles where Batman creates the joker.
@psistis80
@psistis80 5 жыл бұрын
That was my only nitpick about the movie. If my memory is correct, the Joker was not called the Joker when the Waynes were killed (can't remember his name back then) and the fact that it was not the Joker that killed him.
@jac_238
@jac_238 5 жыл бұрын
Πληγωμένος Πρίγκιπας joker only kills the Waynes in the Tim Burton movie, in most continuity’s they are killed by Joe Chill
@JokerFan-hj4iv
@JokerFan-hj4iv 5 жыл бұрын
Πληγωμένος Πρίγκιπας just see this movie as an Elseworlds story. I thought this did a really good job giving us a new twist on the Gotham world and not just a exact copy of the comics.
@psistis80
@psistis80 5 жыл бұрын
@@JokerFan-hj4iv Don't get me wrong. I have seen this movie three times already, something i have never done before and i will go again tonight to see it.
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