FFXIV Just Announced Huge Job Changes for Dawntrail

In this video, I'll go over all of the recently announced changes to Final Fantasy XIV's jobs to give you an overview. I will also talk about the two new jobs, Viper & Pictomancer, which they showcased in the Live Letter. What are your favorite changes so far?
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00:00 Intro
00:12 Tank Changes
00:39 Paladin
01:30 Warrior
02:12 Dark Knight
03:35 Gunbreaker
04:36 Melee Changes
05:00 Monk
06:35 Dragoon
07:58 Ninja
09:00 Samurai
09:53 Reaper
10:43 Physical Ranged Changes
11:06 Bard
13:10 Machinist
14:22 Dancer
15:07 Magical Ranged Changes
15:40 Black Mage
17:35 Summoner
18:55 Red Mage
19:42 Healer Changes
20:00 White Mage
20:57 Scholar
22:13 Astrologian
24:00 Sage
25:18 Viper
27:15 Pictomancer
29:40 Outro

[@natebroadus8474]

Getting rid of the target requirement for BRD songs is HUGE. You literally couldn't get a song up during boss invuln phases because there was no one to target.

[@LycanFayn]

Your 'I'm not certain what the purpose of this is' for bard was at a strict opposition to the 'OH MY GOSH NOW I DON'T LOSE MY ROTATION FOR THE NEXT TWO MINUTES IF THE BOSS DISAPPEARS' I heard from the bards popping my ears! As a summoner who likes phoenix for healing (I was a healer main before) I am WEEPING of the loss of every other phoenix :(

[@WolfDoggie]

Meh, shouldn't even have to rely on Phoenix for healing. They should replace Physick with a Carbuncle Heal that isn't tied to any rotation. I wanted Leviathan :( I'm in disbelief they went with a 2nd Bahamut. Even though it's a much better looking one~ never been a fan of current design. But coulda just made it a glam.

[@randonologic4684]

@@WolfDoggie I was really hoping they added something that changed your Titan / Ifrit / Garuda rotation to a Leviathan / Shiva / Ramuh rotation, and vice versa.

[@keppakappa5033]

​@@WolfDoggieYeah, I'm honestly really disappointed they just slapped a different skin on a summon we already have and called it a day. No summons that we've already seen and have been asking for for years, just a lazy reskin. It doesn't even make sense from a lore perspective either, not that that matters any more I guess since we're also doing away with job specific quests. Before, our summons came from primals we've defeated before, and now instead of getting any of the summons we've defeated before, we get one we've never seen and likely won't even get backstory for?? At least Phoenix has the excuse that you could go off and do Coils at some point for it to make sense.

[@arogon8797]

⁠​⁠@@randonologic4684 Same. Lore wise we’re able to summon them cause we were exposed to their aether. Why can’t we do the same with Leviathan, Shiva, and Ramuh? Just make it every other minute like the Demi summons.

[@Heldemon]

@@keppakappa5033 Didn't realize you've already played and beaten DW to know if it makes sense from a lore perspective.

[@uri999el]

You’re honestly one of my favorite youtubers covering stuff for DT and general gil making topics, calm narration and quick summaries! Thank you so much for making content ❤

[@reyven99]

quick extra note, DRK and GNB got their movement abilities changed to not deal damage anymore, similar to the DRG change. these two tanks were the busiest in terms of button presses so i guess this change was meant to reduce that

[@pretoriansoldat9434]

GNB button press rage is actually fun….i don’t want to be changed😢

[@GoatOfWar]

That's.. the entire point of these jobs? Why are they changing jobs for people who don't play them? People who play these jobs play them for their high APM..

[@LiorVolf]

Maybe it's not a change, maybe are extra movement buttons Like directional Dash That's my hopeful theory

[@pastaboy1338]

@@GoatOfWar Why are they changing jobs for people who don't play them? - This right here you sum it up pretty well. SE wanted people to love playing every job and it's a terrible direction to head in. Not so bright.

[@GoatOfWar]

@@pastaboy1338 Makes no sense, they removed plunge from Esteem too. And didn't use Plunge.

[@ThPFreitas]

Red mage has one of most beatiful VFX in the entire game 10/10

[@EclipseHighroller]

AST getting their card variety back was on my wishlist. I’m so happy it’s back and those seals are gone thank god.

[@fixo5132]

Yeah but no randomness , which just destroy the AST theme ngl... You are not a tarrot magician , you are relegated to those scamer that "read" your future.

[@ShadowProject01]

@@fixo5132😂 accurate

[@celuiquipeut6527]

Now i want our shield back....

[@zackarywest8096]

Machinist just keeps getting more bad ass. He summoned a fighting robot then pulled out 2 huge turret guns and a flying robot and launched like 20 homing missiles. I love it.

[@serpentduke]

it seem they fixed the clipping animations too which was annoying

[@FhtagnCthulhu]

Oof, Solar Bahamut seems like such a misstep. People have wanted more of the primals to make appearences for forever, so they are adding a new primal and... it is another Bahamut? Seems like this is getting a pretty negative response just for the missed chance. I know the people who comment are more likely the negative crowd but just... why not anything else?

[@phiefer3]

Lorewise it doesn't make sense for summoners to get things like ramuh or levi anymore. We learned back in HW that summoner job stones are limited to only 3 egi, literal job quest where we try to get ramuh and it fails because of this. We then learn of more advanced forms of summoning being trance leading into the demi-summons, and go straight for the big boy bahamut. So any further summons we get have to be demi summons, not egis, but it makes no sense to obtain demi-summons that are weaker than bahamut. Any demi-summon obtained has to be an upgrade over bahamut both in terms of lore and in gameplay otherwise those summons would be a literal downgrade to use. Things like alexander, shinryu, possibly the warring triad or even the highly unlikely Zod/Hyd would be potential candidates for being at least on the same level Bahamut, but the others just wouldn't make sense. Which isn't to say that I like it either. I've always thought that it would be really cool if after summoning phoenix we used the 3 gems to summon ramuh, levi and shiva (while still using Ifrit/titan/garuda after bahamut), even if they were functionally just the other 3 with different animations. It would feel a lot more varied and seem more complete, having an egi for all 6 elements. But, to do that, they would need to rewrite the existing summoner lore and retcon all of the summoner job quests in HW and SB.

[@vewyscawymonsta]

Just give me Knights of the Round.

[@ThatOneGuy50999]

@@phiefer3 While it would stomp all over the lore, if you look at what they have been doing to AST the lore does not mean anything when making changes to a job

[@FhtagnCthulhu]

@@phiefer3 I mean... they can retcon things. They have done so for many other jobs. It isn't great to constantly retcon major things, but if they just added a "Oh wow, we figured out how to get more summons" then I think most people would be fine with it.

[@saerman980]

@@phiefer3 you don't need to retcon for a breakthrough inside lore for it to change its own rules. "Hey we discovered this cool thing that lets you summon Ramuh" and that's it. It's a game, not real life, you can literally put anything in it and it can make all sense in the world without having to be retcon.

[@susanharrison7497]

As always I waited to hear from you rather than others. I was not disappointed. I play the Dancer and your comment on the Viper as a "Melee Dancer" took me from not really interested to "I have to check this out". Please continue to keep us well informed.

[@ragnarok400]

For viper - basic 3 part combo. Left/right weapon skills. R1 gives debuff, L2 gives dmg up, R2 gives haste, L3/R3 gives finisher buff. The next combo finisher has to end with whatever icon of the finisher buff you get from previous combo. - double blade combo has 2 charges. Each charge leads to 2 3 part combos. After performing both combos it gives you a red gem - red gem is used to spend on a 3 part ranged combo (possibly aoe) - super saiyan cost 50 gauge. The 2 minute buff gives you free use of super saiyan and 1 red gem

[@alicer8922]

So many potential summons for smn to get, and we just get a variant of what we already have. Kinda lame 😅

[@1bossofbosses]

Sadly i hoped they added Ramuh, Leviathan, and Shiva. They could of did a simple trick by making garuda change to Ramuh when Titan Change to Leviathan, Ifrit change to Shiva Solar Bahamut is a waste he looks cool but was not needed and they could of added Eden there instead. Then they could of added a personal one that would of surprised ppl but can only be used after stacks of Aether on a new Aether bar and it allows you to summon Knights Of the Round table. Which does a cool animated attack which would only be able to be pulled off in battle once because of how high stacks needed. I feel like I have more ideas but they wouldn't listen anyways.

[@MightyMoonWorm24]

Second new Bard ability looks like an upgraded version of Bloodletter. Having the damage and target component removed from songs is great for ensuring you are always gaining song gauge even when an enemy is not present which is great. As for the Straight Shot and Shadowbite ready statuses being combined that's a big win because it allows Shadowbite to be combined with Barrage at will which was a major pain during AoE situations. No longer do we have to fish for Shadowbite procs just to use Barrage on multiple targets. I was hoping for an improved version of Sidewinder but it could still see a damage increase I suppose, we'll have to see.

[@shakeweller]

BRD was so awkward to play in DSR and TOP. This literally fixes everything

[@serpentduke]

@@shakeweller After clearing TOP on bard I didnt touch it agian for months it was miserable lol

[@jupiterjazz9421]

As a DRG main, i don't want to lose a Jump for a Dash. It's what we know and do best! People jump ahead to enemies because its cool and fun. Getting replaced by a dash is just super sad

[@carlobertolini7833]

Im not a DRG main, but i feel for you. At least, they should have gave you a "dash" with the aestethic of a Jump..

[@ErraticFaith]

Cry more.

[@VideoHostSite]

@@ErraticFaith Grandpa, nobody has used "cry more" since 1998.

[@masenk0221]

same I'm kinda sad :c

[@Heldemon]

It is a bit sad, but at least we're getting a fancy new jump as a finisher.

[@Arctoraptor]

Hate how solar bahamut looks

[@cruizegraphics]

Ty for taking the time to make this :)

[@KieronWolf]

Small note about red mage. Using resolution (leaning towards this) or finishing a combo under manafication grants the rdm with the "4th finisher". The "4th Finisher" is actually an ogcd granted by one of these 2 conditions i mentioned earlier. You can see the buff status (gained) effect after they press resolution. You can also see it grants no black or white mana. SE just demonstrated it poorly but the job is probably a bit busier now with some new opti tools if the ogcd is magic based.

[@Chittysushi]

As someone who plays summoner quite a bit I feel like this was a missed opportunity to add Shiva instead of adding a new bahamut or the solar model should have replaced the old Bahamut. Or…., hear me out add Shiva, Ramuh, and Leviathan but treat summons like the blue mage where you choose this primal the other one goes on CD. It allows variation at the same time with not messing with the core rotation.

[@NimRyo]

Why are so many summoners obsessed with the ARR primals? Who wants old, irrelevant primals as their summons? Give us something new and cool. You instead are pulling up to the rave party with 60's music. Btw, mods....? Summoner might be the most modded job out there with plenty of different summons to fit whatever fantasy you can dream of.

[@networknomad5600]

@@NimRyoYou realize these are the most classic to FF primals… right? FF players love the old primals most of all.

[@bumblele2034]

@@NimRyoYou do realize Shiva is a very popular Final Fantasy summon in general right? Also everyone loves 60s music.

[@NimRyo]

@@networknomad5600 Yeah exactly. Adding things for the sake of nostalgia has already ruined so many design aspects of this game. Stop letting the millennials with ff stockholm syndrome lead the design of this game.

[@NimRyo]

@@bumblele2034 Same reply ^^^^

[@AlexisCharalambous23]

Glad to see that Bard changes. Bard mains needed that Songs change. Also for the first new skill "the jumping green arrows" I hope that this is an ability we can use in the Army's Paeon Song, because every song has it's unique ability activated, e.g Wanderer's Minuet has Pitch Perfect, Mage's Ballad has Bloodletter and for Army's Paeon maybe now a new skill.

[@FhtagnCthulhu]

The changes to MNK, AST and potentially BLM all feel like they are standardizing jobs that had more flexable or 'priority based' rotation decisions. I... hate that? I don't know how each of these will play, and there are a lot of changes I see that I like... but I think these are changing core things about the classes that some players think is important about their fav jobs.

[@anthonydelfino6171]

without seeing the new kit it's hard to say for certain, but based on the current kit, changing swift cast to 40 seconds won't really impact summoner at all. in order to maximize your damage, you have to use swift cast on slipstream to capture it under the searing light buff. So unless someone needs a raise during the very specific timeframe between it coming off cooldown, but not less than 40 seconds before you need to use it on slipstream, and while you're not in bahamut/phoenix mode, I don't see summoners using this much more for raises. also I'm not sure that summoner got its garuda/titan/ifrit window reduced. you can see in the benchmark that they didn't use up all the gem charges, they also didn't use any of the astral flow abilities or show bahamut, so it would seem that they just didn't show off all the summoner's kit. I would assume the rotation will be that you'll always be in solar bahamut for burst windows (if they continue with the two minute window) and that you'll alternate between phoenix and bahamut in the 60 second off windows

[@henryhunter9643]

I don't main Dragoon, but changing one of their jumps to a dash seems to go against the feeling of the job. Dragoon = jump high to me.

[@JackpotToys]

I am Drg main and yea…. Thats the normal jump being taken away. There’s an aoe jump with a way longer cooldown but….this stinks.

[@springogeek]

100% agree. Spineshatter Dive is probably my favourite action of the job and so I'm sad they're taking it away, it's part of the core-fantasy of the job! How else am I supposed to fight (for and against) dragons if I can't leap on top of them?

[@SubduedRadical]

Giant HAMMER, yes! I'm not even a WAR main, but I saw that and was like "BIGGEST axe?!". Then I watched a bunch of content creator impressions and NONE OF THEM seemed to care. They were just so focused on other Jobs or things as mechanically as possible. "So, WAR's rotation looks unchanged. Okay, moving on..." and I was like "BUT BIG AXE...!?!?!" Good to see someone else gets it! "Whoever came up with that is a genius"; /agree

[@pastaboy1338]

mediocre boring job that's why. WAR is the summoner of Tank. big L.

[@SubduedRadical]

@@pastaboy1338 No, that's just people being too caught up in pretension and elitism. Is it fun? That's the question. And yes, smacking things with a giant hammer IS FUN.

[@kidneystone699]

As NIN main i've analyzed that trailer so many times 😅 Here's some you didn't mention: -kunai stacked consumed by Aeolian Edge so it's probably just a dmg buff of sort -the thousand slashes (as i like to call) is basically just new bhavacakra -the poison spit give 40 ninki like meisui, also gives buff of some sort based on effect animation around the player right after using the skill

[@marvelousmonocle3033]

this helped me understand Picto so much better, very excited to play it in Dawntrail

[@tayloraves]

really concise, well-worded explanation! there was so much new info in the live letter; you do a great job going over it! also 26:21 ily for "if you actually play dancer like just-press-glowy-buttons, you are probably just a horrible dancer player" THANK 👏 YOU 👏 as a DNC main in high-end content I appreciate you so much ❤️ I'm still just a bimbo phys ranged and it's definitely not the hardest job but I loathe how often people act like it doesn't have a ton of optimization

[@sivarafirecat5585]

So they changed Astrologian back to what it was, but with a hand of cards rather than a singular and backup. Thats all I needed to see.

[@pipelinmasterisado]

amazing summary and so quickly, love it

[@Spookie24]

I’m curious about astro mp management now. The current card system helps maintaining healthy mp quite a bit. I’m very keen to see how this new card system plays out though, not having astro signs is a good change i think.

[@f117nighthawk2]

agree.. usually astrodyne was my mp goto but its gone now. cards gave 500 mp per draw, but now the ‘draw’ is per minute

[@johngreener6696]

Agreed. I main Astro and am curious/concerned how it will feel/play

[@Spookie24]

@@f117nighthawk2 even if they double up the mp gain every draw uses, i think it’s gonna feel a bit worse than 500mp every 30s. Though if they moved it to play for the mp gain then that’s a good move.

[@serpentduke]

I really liked SHB Astro. I was hoping it would return to the Astrologian's Sects, Diurnal and Nocturnal. I felt it gave more options depending on what job the other healer in your raid is

[@Jinxyoutoheaven]

Summoner feels good right now. Summon get their abilities rinse repeat….not it feels like we are moving to just spam summon with less eikon abilities to use. Also why give us a bahamut variant? Alexander, leviathan, or Ramuh would have been cool. Over all really disappointed with summoner for dawntrail.

[@alloyswordsman]

Honestly SUPER excited for Viper!! I like the idea of a “fast-paced melee dancer” and it seems like more of a technical job where you have to determine what’s better to use in a given situation. The opener will likely be set in stone, but from there on there likely won’t be a standard rotation and you’re instead rewarded for being able to adapt well to what buffs/debuffs are currently in play. This is just my take on Viper and I could very well be wrong, but the aesthetics and gameplay really have me enraptured. I can’t wait!!!

[@YullaNellis]

My guess is that the RMD does not get an extra finisher, but the final attack is just the upgraded version of Contre de Sixte that they kept for the end.

[@MasterOssy]

I main SCH and it does look like Adlo and Succor getting an animation upgrade finally. Reduce cooldown to recitation is a nice change. I can see them replacing Dissipation with their costume change ability, which buffs Emergency Tactics via Adlo and Succor to be instant cast now. That is huge to me. Not much excited for chain follow-up with that AoE DoT. I can see it as a.....somewhat a comeback to Shadowflare back in the day. It's a ok addition though. I don't care much about SCH being flash. My whole idea for the job is to have more utilities that helps the party's survivability

[@MrGamerCaptain]

thanks for the highlights

[@f117nighthawk2]

I wonder how the AST cards will work. If i draw 3 of the usual cards at once, does that mean I have to cast one before the other... Like, what if I dont want to use my heal buff card but it happens to be first in the list, do i have to cast that heal card before i can get to the 2nd one in the deck?

[@mypurpletie]

After re watching the job action trailer, it seemed for both sets of cards drawn, the dps got the first card, followed by the heal effect, then the mitigation card was used at the end. It's unclear yet if you'll be able to cycle through which card effect you want to use first, but it would be nice.

[@thanawatsudruangloet6450]

I personally prefer austhetic of the WHM Temperance wings over the SCH Seraphism transformation, but i'll take what I can as a SCH main lol

[@liquidgoose9730]

As a PLD main, im happy with the buff to mits and happy with the new animations.

[@sh1nk4n]

GNB new bloodfest combo is basically Squall's final Limit break lionheart

[@MythrilMann]

Warrior seems to be getting an upgrade to Decimate that gives it a Fell Cleave-like effect as well, seen at 2:44 in the Job Actions video.

[@phiefer3]

I assume you meant 1:44, as 2:44 is in the middle of the drk section. Also no, there's no upgrade to decimate. As he said in the video (which was also specifically stated in the live letter), war is getting a new action that is available after using your 3 fel cleaves/decimates during inner release, that's the thing with the rock spikes coming up and exploding. As well as another new action that's a followup to primal rend. The only other noteworthy things from the trailer is the new animations for vengeance and inner chaos, as well as the fact that we may be able to use infuriate outside of combat again (it's difficult to tell if he's already in combat at the start or not). Also, the fact that infuriate is apparently the only "press for 50 gauge" button that wasn't changed to just make your next gauge action free (not that war really has an issue with overcapping, just weird that they'd make such a general design change and leave 1 action out).

[@horizonesse9539]

exactly what i needed, very nice summary

[@Bayonette]

For WAR you forgot the upgraded Inner Chaos, which looks sick by the way.

[@userbunny14]

I felt the exact opposite about viper and pictomancer. I feel like they explained viper better. With the way they set up the bars, it looks exactly like how I would set up mine with the AOE on one side and single target on the other. Then when multiple buttons light up, you pick what one to use based on if you are multi target or single target, and what buff you are under. It will take practice to recognize the buffs, and which skills go with which buffs, but the concept itself is pretty simple. I imagine in raid you'll want to go double-bladed right away, and get into Reawakened asap to burst, and then you'll have to come back to dual blade to build back to double bladed and then reawakened again for burst phase etc. Pictomancer... I have no idea what the rotation is. They showed us how to do each of the renders, and obviously the landscape one being the party buff, you'll want to do that for raid buff windows, but like... are the other 2 motifs burst? Is your paint gauge at max your burst? What goes where when? It's not clear at all.

[@nefariouspersephone9447]

oooh a sage dot AND a party kardi sound fun. also the ast card change i can see being super freaking useful but i can predict lots of toxicity incoming with ppl complaing about not having their card buffs lol but im all about shooting everyone with my yugioh deck

[@brander7453]

Rdm jolt and impact both got improvements too as u can see in the animations

[@GermanLoLVidz]

awesome video buddy

[@Blade12113]

On the BRD the big red arrow is most likely upgraded... stack cooldown arrow. I forget it's name atm. Bloodletter?

[@Jolsn]

I thought so too but it looks like Bloodletter is still in the game too, it's used at some point. You can kinda tell because if Bloodletter the Bard releases the arrow instantly, but here there's some kinda wind-up?

[@big_headed_gamer]

picto needs to get a support job in the future! please SE!!

[@megamanblack4309]

I can't wait to play as a Viper!

[@Kitkat5335]

This isn't really something new for expansion releases. Just about every expansion tends to have significant changes, additions, or even subtractions to either add to the job, ease the flow of the jobs performance, or in some cases entirely revamp the job. Sometimes I look forward to the changes, but other times I tend to be less receptive of the changes about to come. I still wish they would work on some of the meter based jobs to allow them to build it similar to how mnk or sam can during transitions, but at least some of the changes are taking into consideration that not having it for a burst window was an issue, sometimes significant issue, once the transition was over, either that or get rid of phase transitions.

[@Tratatai]

Damn they forgot to remove DRK Souleater ability with it's god awful animation and replace it with power slash or any of the other countless cool looking abilities they removed over the years, how silly of them. Good thing I'm not a consolebab and can at least mod it.

[@Xienus]

+1

[@BlackRoseThornEtna]

It looks like armor crush will enpower the next two Aeorlian edges simular to monk

[@Dhalin]

Pictomancer looks freaking _awesome._ It's unique, and I love the idea of seeing Krile and other little potatoes running around bonking things with comically large hammers lol

[@Banana-cc5rx]

I just wish they will really squash all the basic combos into 1 key like in PvP mode. It's getting really clustered for most jobs

[@williammace2952]

Hellfrog Large had me rolling

[@noblewolf8232]

When i saw how fast-paced Viper gameplay is, the more hype i get to play it. But as a tank main player, I'm more excited for the 4 tanks, especially PLD and GNB.

[@galloviking4766]

They missed the occasion to make Huton into a DoT, ninja still doesn't have that. Also I want Hellfrog Well-Done.

[@empyreal84]

I am a little skeptical about SGE kardion and soteria. I feel they are kinda useless trait and abilities. I don’t see a significant change in healing while nuking mobs, and even while using Soteria, I end up using burst healing and shields, anyways, so, I hope that these changes make a difference About AST, my ex-main healer, I was like “again all three cards?”. I hope it’s a good change , let’s see how it plays out. I wonder if they kept Exaltation. I also think the post-healing effect is useless after a tank buster or something, because of the burst healing after a one of those abilities, I think the healing effect was wasted. Besides that, loved that other new effects ! The solar system and the twelve signs ability were awesome

[@f117nighthawk2]

i wonder when AST will finally be like, solidified. isint this like the 3rd rework?

[@shucroc]

My whm liked presence of mind + holy since it was the only AOE. This new spell is nice. My smn is gonna miss the second phoenix as mentioned, hopefully solar Bahamut makes up for it. My nin also was large bullfrog! I like my whm wings already! I use it a lot in Bozjan front. That's a pretty sweet dot on sage! Seems unbalanced to me compared to the other healers for aoe dmg. I like your DNC "click the glowy button" comment. I hadn't seen many DNC until this current crossover. I wish we were getting Time Mage. The game really doesn't use debuffs as good as FF 11 did.

[@Ozzynium]

That new fire spell of BLM looks like the Meltdown spell from dissidia.

[@charlieindiaalpha2194]

@4:29 Lionheart?

[@Jay-mx5ky]

I think your DRK information is a little outdated. Since endwalker, delirium only gives 3 casts of bloodspiller. It gave 5 in shadowbringers. Under delirium, these bloodspillers restore mp. They restore more mp and blood gauge under the 5 stacks of blood weapon, and since the effects are combined, that's exactly what's happening. This upgrade is only an animation (and presumably potency) change, similar to pld atonements. The benchmark datamine makes it seem like bloodspiller is going to turn into this combo under delirium, so more than likely the execution is going to be the exact same as in endwalker with one new gcd (the living shadow finisher) just like paladin.

[@pastaboy1338]

the fact that Salt and Darkness still stayed let me know they don't freaking care about DRK. Meanwhile they added 3 new DPS skills for WAR which all look awesome, as if they need more DPS.

[@Lucoms]

Adding new abilities doesn’t equal more dps…

[@pastaboy1338]

@@Lucoms yea the fell cleave 2.0 and the big axe probably would heal the boss.

[@Lucoms]

@@pastaboy1338 you do understand total damage values can stay the same while the total number of abilities can increase right? And dark dps is higher than war isn’t it in the current iteration? I’m not sure what you’re even complaining about other than being overly emotional and jealous for no reason…

[@Xienus]

Tbh, salted earth and salt and shit should of been removed the most pathetic thing on the job imo

[@Xienus]

​@@Lucomsthing is drk needs to press 2-3 buttons to do 1hit of war crit dh lol unless You crit dh hard as drk wich is luck then youll win perfect 2min party!

[@jasonbrown2587]

People complaining they took the complexity out of monk are deciding themselves if they thought it used to be complex or difficult. There was no variation. Everyone of em looked up the guide and the opener and monk was as rigid as any other class. This just removes the disguise.

[@Jolsn]

I also don't think it'll make it any more or less complex to be honest. I get that people don't like when their favorite job changes a lot, but a Monk overhaul was due for sure.

[@cormeaga]

hmm, i kind of agree with that. you cycle through your 3 forms. You use twin snakes every other cycle, domolish every 2, and swap between boot shine and dragon kick every cycle. perfect balance was the only time this has changed when going for your "purple token".

[@FragileEgo]

Tell me you don't understand optimal drift without telling me you don't understand optimal drift.

[@NomoregoodnamesD8]

​@@FragileEgo Judging by the job gauge, Monk will still have most of the optimal drift flowchart to only do buffed Raptor + Coerul attacks and maximize leaden fist bootshines during Riddle of Fire. The way I read the gauge is that Dragon Kick, Twin Snakes, and Demolish will refill each form's job gauge, buffing Bootshine, True Strike, and Snap Punch at the cost of that form's job gauge pip.

[@FragileEgo]

@@NomoregoodnamesD8 Optimal drift could potentially still exist, but considering how much of it was built around demolish timings, and demolish no longer existing in its current form, it will at the very least be gutted to some degree.

[@michealwatts7469]

Good bye RNG cards.. hello mundane 1 and 2 minute buff window.. I miss Royal Road and Sleeve Draw. I never cared about RNG I love it, it adds spice.

[@pastaboy1338]

blame the sweaty raiders.

[@keppakappa5033]

Is it really "interesting gameplay" or even remotely "spicy" to be in a dungeon with 2 Ranged dps and only ever draw Melee cards? Functionally it doesn't add any complexity or difficulty to the run, just makes you, the player, feel slightly less efficient than you could have been because you just happened to be unlucky that run. RNG isn't inherently bad, but acting like the way it was implemented in AST somehow made up the core of it's identity really makes me think yall either don't like or understand AST as a job, or gameplay in XIV in general lol

[@michealwatts7469]

@@keppakappa5033 Efficiency isn't the reason I play AST.. This is a non-argument here. The RNG for the cards IS a core game play mechanic for reasons both challenging game play and learning curve but also the fantasy of it. Game play like SB you had different cards and you had to learn what to royal road, what to reroll, what to toss and what you can work with. You had options you just had to reach them. Fantasy wise, you're getting your magic from the bloody stars, astrology, but also Time, its a determination of your past present and future like tarot cards and its always stagnant one DPS, one DEF, one Curative then what's the point? I have been playing since it came out and loved the quests enjoyed the lore and had a lot of fun with it.. So I would say if you don't understand that is IS a core element of the AST game then it seems like you don't understand AST as a job. Just because every other class is consistently simple doesn't mean this one has to be. Every class has something about them that makes them different, and now AST is relegated to a 60 second same card draw cool down. You're essentially a SCH with aetherflow but heal like a whm and some delayed heals.. congrats.

[@rowboatcop4451]

Hmmm honestly kinda sad that NIN lost Houton management, it was kidna fun to feel like I had this extra plate I had to keep spinning, but hopefully the new Kunai gauge adds back in something new and fun to manage

[@omensoffate]

It was not fun 😂

[@rowboatcop4451]

@omensoffate i understand people who didnt like it but personally i like having a lot of buttons to push, and the challenge of figuring out the best time in a fight to mix them in to minimize damage loss. Like, it would suck if they took mudras away and just let you cast the ninjutsu as their own button. Is it more work to execute the mudra combos? Yes, but doing these small tasks and being rewarded is what makes games fun

[@natebroadus8474]

I figured some people might be sad. However, I HATED Huton management. Ninja already has the fun complexity of the ninjutsu system--Huton was just a maintenance ability that that took away from an already burst window-dependent job. I'm excited to see what being free of the Huton wheel could mean for the job outside of the burst window. It would be nice to be viable through all phases, instead of just burst and then fuck all until the next window.✌😅

[@sheaco1]

Probably would best if we face rolled 1 2 3 over and over again. Why manage anything? Why have complexity and satisfaction? Lets homogenize everything.

[@natebroadus8474]

@@sheaco1 That's the spirit. If we're done with the strawman shtick (lol), I'm pretty sure we'll still have to manage things. We still have to strategically use Ten-Chi-Jin since it requires standing still even during high damage phases. We'll still have to manage this new kunai gauge. We'll still have to use the burst window effectively, Etc.

[@arxeha]

AST got the most flame during the live stream, people hating this new change that removes this job's characteristic even further edit: for me, i already give up playing AST bcs of the removal of nocturnal & diurnal sect

[@Idylla3DRenders]

I will still play it as it is my main and I will suffer a buiut more cause god damn I love everything about this class T_T (even the negative changes)

[@unclejoeljoestar988]

isn't this returning the aspect of the job that was missing since Shadowbringers, cards not being glorified damage buffs? or do you specifically hate the RNG removal? I'm not trying to start an argument, just genuinely want to know your opinion on the topic, cause you left it quite obtuse

[@fixo5132]

@@unclejoeljoestar988 The rng of AST was THE differienting aspect of AST for me... Removing it, is like removing its heart.

[@Jay-mx5ky]

​@fixo5132 I think a lot of people missed the different effects of the cards more. Functionally, all it was was a 1 in 2 chance to get the same type of buff that limited who you used it on. There were pretty much only two cards. The RNG truly mattered for astrodyne where you could get randomly screwed out of the beneficial effects.

[@keppakappa5033]

​@@fixo5132As someone who just got out of my 3rd expert run in a row with 2 Ranged DPS with only Melee cards drawn 99% of the time, uhh. You're definitely on your own there buddy lmao

[@JDxxatteis]

Another black mage gauge lol but yea that MP regen change sucks

[@Dotoku44]

I've never heard of anyone who liked the buff and debuff management of MNK. It's tedious and unfun.

[@fishtrekgames]

anyone as in non monk mains..?

[@xXSoulripperOo]

@@fishtrekgamesthey exist?

[@JazzyKazzyCat]

I tweaked my hotbar/controller setup to make it play like a street fighter game. Not bothered with the changes cause it seems like we are finally getting a ranged.

[@BarbellMethod]

❤❤❤

[@dustincarroll3168]

Ive no idea what pictomancer really even does but they look dope af and def replacing summoner for me cause wth is demi bahamut? How boring. They really going to do my favorite class since before the egi rework like that? Like come on

[@StriderIK]

Ngl, wasn’t very excited bout dawntrail but combat changes are hyping me up. Hopefully there is more goodness and changes to systems that make it worth the purchase 👍

[@nefariouspersephone9447]

yea same here. dt looked kind of like a whatever expansion story but the combat upgrades look good

[@Jay-mx5ky]

Guess it depends on the jobs you play. Samurai and the tanks (except war) don't seem to be getting much to me other than animation changes.

[@brycemoose7026]

Could a gotten Alexander or even hydaelyn but they decided to go with another bahamut I don't get it man😂

[@AimeePavai]

Personally, I don't like the look of pictomancer. Seems complicated and a wasted job. They have not talked about the beast master at all and personally, I think THAT should have been the new main class, not a fancy painter >.>

[@brycemoose7026]

Kinda agree but I'm sure once were able to play it it will seem easier. But I really thougt we would be drawing more monsters I think only drawing parts of moogles is extremely lame

[@smug303]

Pictomancer spells look so silly and cute, its definitely gonna be my new main class

[@TastyGamingQc]

Is just me or it feels like WHM got nothing once again ? Also, I am so tired to see ppl claim whm is doing less healing than all other healers "you can run a parse" dude I know that half white mage don’t even use plenary indulgence and that the other half is being screamed at to stop healing and start doing dps. SO OF COURSE IN YOUR GROUP THE WHM DID LESS HEALING

[@ZippyChan]

Can't wait to have a freaking seizure whenever I play Viper trying to DDR all the clicky buttons :)

[@NomoregoodnamesD8]

It looks like for MNK, the equivalents for Leaden Fist, Disciplined Fist, and Demolish are now shown in the job gauge, and the gems match up with how often MNK currently upkeeps those buffs with their default GCD. If I had to guess, each pip of each form will give a potency buff to the respective form's alternate attack (bootshine, true strike, and snap punch) just the way Leaden Fist currently does. I prefer having the job gauge to keep track of the state of MNK's rotation than having to glance at my buffs and my targets debuffs. MNK's off-minute rotation will be less strict because they don't need to have Disciplined Fist and Demolish active before spamming Opo-Opo attacks. The job gauge will make it easier to set up MNK's Brotherhood window using exclusively buffed attacks from each form and one or two Dragon Kicks, regardless of Skillspeed. (DoT is very weird in FFXIV, damage ticking on the enemy's HoT/DoT tick, not the debuff's timer, so MNK always refreshes Demolish before perfect balance to not lose a DoT tick).

[@micheltanaka2420]

I LOVED the removal of positioning requirements for the Dragoon combos (damn, that was complicated) and of the Huton as something you have to activate. Activating Huton manually felt SO unnecessary and unwieldy.

[@1bossofbosses]

same i will now main DRG. I was never going to main it but now I am I hated the positional omg I'm glad those are gone.

[@brycemoose7026]

I hated queuing into roulette as a ninja and getting lvl 50 content

[@Golden910]

Wow I think over all most changes were great. I won't lie monk, blm worried me. And whm and smn wasn't as good as I hoped but so far it seems like they listen to alot a feedback amd tried new things. I'm excited to see how it works out

[@morethanlessthan]

It's worth mentioning that "nonstandard" black mage rotations more or less require mp tick plugins

[@RealElSteino]

That is simply not true

[@hawgacrux]

There is no plugin needed for nonstandard. Paradox and fire 3 cast gave more than enough time to recharge mana

[@morethanlessthan]

@@hawgacrux nonstandard lines avoid Umbral Ice Fire 3 casts at all costs, instead you transpose into Astral fire and use a firestarter proc

[@morethanlessthan]

@@RealElSteino It is if you actually want to get damage increase over standard

[@hawgacrux]

That’s just the most simple form of nonstandard. Only using thunder prog and paradox in ice phase and then fire 3 (for the cast time) into fire is another if I remember right (haven’t played in a while). That gives you enough mana for about 3 fire 4 + despair.

[@zankies8735]

My biggest worry with the new Scholar transformation is how it looks on some races. Just from this clip, it looks awful on the miqote. Imagine any other race besides elezan and hyur. Horns, ears, tails GONE with a very unappealing (20 second) robe. The wings also look unnaturally bad. I think ive seen better wing accessories in the wild than that. But ill reserve my opinion until more info comes back. Perhaps this is just a beta version before it gets better.

[@bl00dm0urne]

Nobody tell them about RPRs Enshroud form cause I fear they might not be strong enough to handle the truth.

[@zankies8735]

@bl00dm0urne atleast that feel right for the class. Still don't like that it cuts the tails, horns or hair but it LOOKS good atleast. That's why I have to reserve my final thoughts until the media tour. Afterall, maybe the front will look better than I give it credit. 👍

[@brycemoose7026]

Also it screams white mage transformation. I get it's an angelic form because of seraph but doesn't feel like a battle field strategist at all

[@bradleon.]

Totally agree on DNC, its easy to pick up but takes more skill to actually be good at it

[@lionwhyte___2634]

I play world of warcraft but dabbled in this game for 9 months and it was fun as hell. All these changes look amazing and the spell effects and how flashy things are should be well received. Not sure why people are complaining

[@RedSoulVnT]

People who complain about BLM's changes are people who don't deal with ping issues. That's literally the very reason they decided to change how BLM gets MP. Due to how problematic server ticks can be. I'm super happy with all the changes, in all the jobs. My only nitpick is that Viper's colors are not red, as I hoped it would be, but rather blue again. There's too much blue already! GNB, SMN, DRG, some PLD skills, some WHM skills. Why blue again, Yoshi-P?! 😆

[@susanharrison7497]

That is one of the reasons I stopped playing BLM.

[@jtowensbyiii6018]

Umm have you never played the game? Hate to spoil lore, but you're the warrior of light!

[@RedSoulVnT]

@@jtowensbyiii6018 I'm aware that blue is very often given to the protagonist in FF games, but still, it's not a good reason to not have a bit more of variety! 😆

[@keppakappa5033]

In response to everyone going "same ol same ol/everything is ruined": Same ol same ol doomers claiming their fave job being slightly different is somehow going to be the 1 (one) reason the game finally collapses, for the 5th expac in a row lmao.

[@1bossofbosses]

Ignore them some have good complaints within reason and some hate that others will play it now and they can't have some sort of elitism to feel special. When its just a game. I appreciate them removing DRG postionals that is all I needed to main that job now.

[@warllockmasterasd9142]

Okay first of people didn't like mnk relying on buffs and dots. we have very much since shadowbringers asked to have this aspect of our rotation changed to be more about attacking our foes, instead of being relying applying a dot and a buff to ourselves. heck some mnk players even found rotations that don't use snake-strike.

[@godless1014]

Do tanks even need defensive buffs? Just make Dark Knight and Gunbreaker less shitty. Doing buffs across the board will keep Darknight and Gunbreaker rather flimsy compared to the other two.

[@ChiboSader]

The people freaking out about the changes need to be put in perspective... These people are assuming the class will work in a similar way, but with these announced changes... Like, blm... "Oh god, they're going to make us cast ice spells?! THEY RUINED THE CLASS! BOO!" Okay, but what if the ice spells are worth casting? Is it still ruined? We literally played AROUND umbral phase in EW. With transpose, instant procs, and paradox we literally avoided using ice spells at all basically.... it was literally a dps increase to skip casting Blizzard 4, stack sps and just burn Fire 4s into a despair, transpose, paradox, filler instants, transpose, fire 3 proc (if available) then fire 4 spam into despair again. We literally eliminated casting Fire 1s, Blizzard 4s, blizzzard 3s.... The only thing we did that was remotely "ice" like was Paradox while in Umbrail Ice to get to 2 stacks so we could get enough MP lol. Literally only used Fire 3, Fire 4, Despair, Xeno, Lightning 4, and paradox... making our weakest hit just shy of 500 potency, but making the rotation just dumb. Any change they makes that removes that ridiculous optimization which eliminated many of your spells is fine by me. Saw people freaking out about the Monk changes, even had people crying about "class fantasy" ?!?!?!?! What? What part of a monk sounds like it should be maintaining a dot and a buff? It should be hitting thinks with fists.... I HATED the fantasy of a monk relying on a dot. I am so excited to see a monk class that will (hopefully) play like a damn monk! Samurai, reaper, and dragoon changes are nifty but smaller than I expected. It mostly seems like QoL stuff, and the occasional shiny new thing. The Tanking changes are pretty meh, making drk and gnb a bit less hectic is good... Pally changes are basically a zero, but we just got a recent rework so its fine. Warrior stuff is just an extra button on the back end of the burst, but I guess thats really all it needed. Felcleave was fun, but it just didn't hit like a 10-tonze hammer. I imagine the blm finisher after 6 Fire 4s is actually just a new Despair... Which is cool. I believe the summoner rotation is Solar -> Regular -> Solar -> Phoenix. Meaning our opener and even minute bursts are now solar bahamut... and our odd number bursts rotate between phoenix and bahamut. Basically, phoenix and bahamut are now just odd minute fillers to get to the even burst... and our fillers change color from blue to red Red mage is pretty meh, I've never been a huge fan and now its hefty finisher combo is just hefty-er and finisher-y-er... If you want something to be upset about, be upset about the healer changes. THEY REMOVED AERO 3 YEARS AGO!!! Now they are giving it back to SAGE?! WHY?! Aero 3 was my favorite spell! GIVE IT BACK! Anywho... AST changes are probably cool, and people are freaking out about that a LOT. I think it will make it much more playable (and by that I mean it will make ASTs in random groups less terrible)

[@nikelas6]

Same ol same ol then :/

[@scrumpy8192]

The pictomancer uses 3 colors but they aren’t the primaries? Strange.

[@effygoldberg]

yes they are, the additive light palette uses red, green and blue with the white orb, and the subtractive mode uses cyan, magenta and yellow with the black orb

[@scrumpy8192]

@@effygoldberg you say that as if it makes sense for a painter to not use the pigment primaries.

[@effygoldberg]

@@scrumpy8192 did you... not read what I wrote? cyan, magenta, yellow are pigment primaries

[@IgglePyggle]

it's a shame this expansion took 3 years of dev time yet doesn't look like 3 years of work went into it.

[@fixo5132]

Yeah at least when it comes to Job changes, i'm very disapointed. Yet everyone seems to cheers ... I guess hype blinds people. The game is gonna be so stale after a few weeks when people realise the jobs didn't change at all. Not saying it should change every expansion : don't fix it if it ain't broke . But the Jobs ARE broken. Healers numbers is at an all time low, same thing for Tanks. People wanted drastic change. Nothing happened.

[@Jay-mx5ky]

​@@fixo5132this team is all about making execution in combat way easier. It's unfortunate that the highlights of the majority of jobs were "we gave them a finisher attack and updated the animations of attacks you used multiple times in a row so you feel like you're doing something new". I was really disappointed when I realized their solution to tanks feeling the same was just giving everyone except WAR a confetior combo.... and SAM seems near identical with just an animation update and shadowbringers Senei/Guren in a new form. I think some jobs made it out good. Seems like MNK will change pretty drastically, NIN will play a little different, and AST got an interesting rework.

[@keppakappa5033]

Oh yeah an entirely new expansion with multiple new huge sprawling locations, changes to every job, 2 brand new jobs, an addition to one of the races, a HUGE graphical overhaul, plus everything they haven't yet shown us because of spoilers... all while maintaining and providing regular updates for an MMO that has been hit with heavy DDoS attacks for the last several weeks. Yeah, DEFINITELY wouldn't take 3 whole years to do ALL of that. That's like what, a months worth of work, tops? I am clearly very smart and know a lot about game design. /s

[@fixo5132]

@@keppakappa5033 He was talking about Job changes. If they listened to the community, they would have fixed the healers, but they didn't. 3 years of feedback (Even more concidering its not a new problem) and still nothing.

[@plainsalt]

@@keppakappa5033 Not even including the QoL changes we've gotten and all the post expansion content, in which case we're bound to get regular MSQ, dungeons trials, extremes, savages + ultimates, field operation, planetary exploration, beast master and more blue mage and varient dungeons.. literally the most content heavy expansion with better graphics as well lol

[@aaronkasper1384]

I want this game and WoW to die so something new can come.

[@dogboy15213]

As a BLM main that didn't use the double transpose lines, I still hate this. Removing skill expression sucks. And even without non-standard play there's skill in simply understanding the flow of a job. Did they ruin BLM? No. But they did make it less interesting. Well played Square. Boo this change. Booooooo!

[@nozelxo6514]

What are you talking about lol

[@NimRyo]

"non standard play" Do you also think ice mage is a form of this? "what? the game allows me to do this and I like being an ice mage". Womp womp, there is an optimal way to play blm but you just never learned it and now you are suffering the consequences. How is this square's fault?

[@bl00dm0urne]

Might have missed the part where BLMs are now part ghost?

[@fishtrekgames]

​@@NimRyo non-standard isn't anything to do with ice mage/blizzard spam. standard BLM rotation refers to using blizzard 3 and fire 3 to switch between fire and ice phases. non-standard uses transpose weaved after instant-casts to skip weaker spells, giving a small damage boost. It's a big reason why BLM had a higher skill ceiling and more depth than other jobs. Optimal play involved learning non-standard lines, and now they're being removed.

[@NimRyo]

​@@fishtrekgames Yeah it's called an optimal playstyle/rotation. Of course jobs heavily change their optimal rotation depending on the encounter but the way this game is designed is so that there is only one optimal way to play a certain job. Anything outside of this is by definition non standard play. So yes, ice mage would fall into this category and so would any other way to play blm that isn't the optimal way. I don't think ffxiv is for you in the first place if you are looking for skill expression. The game and it's jobs are very linear. Everyone who plays a certain job will go though the exact same progression and reach the exact same end. Once you reached the job's peak output you can't get any more out of it than that. It's like building a lego set. There is the instructions you follow to build the set the intended way or you can just build whatever you want with the provided pieces. Like ice mage, you've been given these tools but decided to not use them or in a different manner to its intended usage. If you do the former though you will end up with the same set as everyone else aka the linear aspect of ffxiv jobs.

[@KokoKrunchs]

Oh great… boring

[@somagai467]

FF14 still sucks.

[@IaconDawnshire]

AST is now forever ruined.

[@bl00dm0urne]

I sure hope so that way I can finally live my dream of being the only one on the server who still uses it and show them peasants what a real healer looks like.

[@keppakappa5033]

No it's not.

[@1bossofbosses]

I will now start Playing Ast more now and instead of just maining SGE

[@BargodeProductions]

Picto painting theme is kinda lame but how it plays looks cool w those supportive skills, and looks so cool.

[@TheSometimeAfter]

Ffxiv has the same problems it's always had. Nothing gets fixed for anything lower than level 70. Even then it's it's a slow journey to fixes up till max level. It's become quite obnoxious at this point. I don't think I've seen any other successful MMO that has ignored the early game as much as the FFXIV Devs. Healing is STILL boring AF unless you're doing bleeding edge content. And even then it's quite dull compared to competitors. I've never felt so braindead playing a healer. Even WoW does it better, and that's saying something considering the current state of healers over there. Also AST is still a mess. As usual - Japanese Dev stuck in the past shocker

[@keppakappa5033]

Why the fuck do you even play, then

[@zemperish]

2 new jobs look fun but everything else straight up worse, completely butchered DRG

[@natebroadus8474]

All they did was take away Spineshatter and attempt to address the button bloat with the consolidated button (which you can opt out of). I feared they would gut DRG, but it got away with relatively few noticeable changes.

[@zemperish]

@@natebroadus8474 They removed eyes lol, the gauge is now completely useless

[@pastaboy1338]

@@zemperish you're talking to a yes-man-fuck-me-daddy-yoshi kind of guy. he buttlicks everywhere.

[@bl00dm0urne]

​@zemperish does that mean I can finally live my dream as being the only Azure DRG in the entirety of FF14?

[@susanharrison7497]

@@bl00dm0urne Not quite the only one but I'll try not to cross your path, so you'll appear to be the only one.

[@keonrichards1083]

I just want to be able to change my weapon stance I hate how dragoon, warrior and dark knight hold their weapons they look ridiculous