Jon Ronson on being curious, his mental breakdown and interviewing Alex Jones

Jon Ronson is the journalist behind books like 'The Psychopath Test' and 'You've Been Publicly Shamed', and more recently the podcasts 'The Last Days of August' and 'The Butterfly Effect' investigating the porn industry. He talks to Krishnan while on a stage tour in the UK about the importance of curiosity, why he's decided to talk about his mental breakdown, and the ethics that drive his journalism.
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[@gracechan3039]

I really love that Jon Ronson talks about empathy and compassion. He shows that you can live in the real world and have a successful career while aiming to be a genuine human being.

[@ordsmedensmening9702]

Grace Chan I have only gotten 10 minutes in and so far he has shown to have a ideology based on racism. He propagates tropes like white privilege reinforcing the atheist Je*_*h notion that people are first skin colour and then human (read any Naom Chomsky book for example). People to these people are Blacks, Yella’, White and red, while they are chosen to be the leaders of the pack. Mostly done out of “love” for the minions. These mislead people, atomists, whom has much insight but no spiritual clear sight, knowledge but no wisdom. Any one being led astray will denounce the creator out of fear. Fear is the driving mechanism behind their insane need to control everything. To go against the god-code. They understand it is us whom are to become what we envision within the word. But without carrying the image of the creator at heart, man will become a false god. A artificial instalment. A tragedy.

[@lisacanterbury6248]

@@ordsmedensmening9702 If you truly believe this then you are way too sensitive. Telling one joke that's racist shouldn't offend people unless it was hateful (and trust me people know when something's meant to be hateful and when it's supposed to be funny). Jokes are jokes nothing more nothing less if you look at a joke as hateful (usually people who do this just want to dehumanize the other person and tear them down in a sort of psychopathic way) you will never enjoy them and will not be able to even laugh at yourself or stereotypes/tropes of yourself. I call people by whatever name they want to be called, but when I refer to someone's skin color I call them black bc most black people dislike being called African-American because it dehumanizes them and makes them sound like a science experiment.

[@tos100returns]

@@ordsmedensmening9702 Get help.

[@ordsmedensmening9702]

@@lisacanterbury6248 understand social engineering. I’m a born and bred Swede. I know what I’m talking about. It’s not called Black woman it’s called woman Black. Don’t have time to explain so the point is probably not clear. You clearly know nothing about Investor (google it) FAM (google it) Ericsson (google that name plus any country name I.e Ericsson Croatia/USA/Iran/Ethiopia etc. This is one year later and the covidiocy should be clear for any grown up to clearly see it being a Planmic. The. You just need to understand the global economic system and connect dots…why am I spending this time? Well… worth it if you read and ponder

[@ordsmedensmening9702]

@@tos100returns maybe you should offer it. Help me then.

[@Wardoon]

I discovered Jon Ronson today and I have listened few of his interviews and would most likely read his books. The guy is fascinating and humble

[@randomlady6899]

Re the Danny Baker case; some of us black people are frustrated there’s little to zero representation of those of us who were not offended. Hard to believe a hard-core racist managed to get away with it for so long but then trips himself up over a silly joke. And what is this BS that intent doesn’t matter? Not only does it matter, it’s the very basis on which one should asses offence...,otherwise it’s simply ignorance. And ignorance can be dealt with simply with information.

[@simonjohnston9488]

The tweet seemed to me the straw that broke the camel's back. And I'm not sure if many people were actually offended - that's another right-wing red-herring, in my mind. It's pretty much 'oh god this idiot hasn't learned that he needs to use his brain, and understand who the BBC's audience is. Maybe even spend time with black people, so he might learn that they're as human and varied as white people are.' A racist like him was lucky to keep that job as long as he did.

[@markrichter2053]

Thanks for putting that in such a lucid and logical way.

[@markrichter2053]

With the culture we live in, there’s no room any longer for people to make mistakes and learn from them. Danny Baker comes from a culture where it’s normal to be mouthy and opinionated, to sound off without really thinking about the consequences and also he comes from a background that, let’s be honest, have quite a history of inward looking attitudes. Many people in his environment as he grew up were probably toxically racist. Danny Baker, being a public broadcaster and opinionated was sooner or later going to say something really offensive, not because he’s a bad person, but just because of the cultural background he grew up in. When this happened it should have been an opportunity for everyone to examine what’s going on and question the prejudice and grow a bit. But this is only possible in a culture where it isn’t the end of the world for someone to mis-speak like this. What I’m trying to say is that if we could stop judging the person speaking, it would allow us to make sensible choices about the things they say and question the racist assumptions that lay behind them so we could all learn and move forward from our own perspective and prejudices.

[@samsklair4701]

Jon Ronson helped me think about life differently and I love him for it. He's great!

[@louisealjaradat5063]

Brilliant interview! Adults having a discussion, no shouting , honest answers ,genuine questions. Now I want to buy a few of Jon Ronsons books.

[@liviavaduva]

I bought all of his books after reading So you’ve been publicly shamed.

[@mubutukinkeke]

@@liviavaduva I finally got around to getting that audiobook and as expected I'm loving it. I'll definitely be seeking out his other work after I'm done with it.

[@josyposy1626]

I think he comes across as a really kind, thoughtful, empathetic, understanding and non-judgemental person. If more people were like that the world would be a much nicer place to live in. It's sad to read people attacking him cos of the shape of his nose or the gestures he makes rather than the words he speaks. Maybe try listening without watching the screen if you struggle with preconceptions?

[@markrichter2053]

“If you struggle with preconceptions” what a lovely euphemism

[@wodenravens]

Brilliant interview. Ronson is one of those rare individuals who is able to connect with people even when they find their views repulsive. For allowing us insight into the minds of people like Alex Jones, he is a treasure to the rest of us.

[@gladroad]

alex jones is based

[@gladroad]

Alex jones is a teasure not this fuckwit

[@tos100returns]

@@gladroad Alex Jones was involved in Trump's attempt to overthrow the American government. That is NOT based in the slightest.

[@gladroad]

@@tos100returns pathetic

[@bloodboughtbigphilr8266]

Really likeable fella Jon. Love his work and style. Steers well clear of pontificating and foisting his own opinions, engaging his subjects as people and letting them be themselves either for good or for ill and leaving the viewer to make up their own minds. More effective than censoring or no platforming when it comes to promoters of extreme or distasteful viewpoints.

[@timwright4263]

Jon interviewed fans of Janet Ellis, brilliantly, and he commented on Hunter Thompson's passing the day after Hunter Thompson died, and he did so intelligently, with knowledge and understanding.

[@elemkay5104]

You really can't have a worthwhile opinion on this without having read at least one of his books. He is a fantastic journalist, he doesn't get everything right re: Alex Jones, mainly because he obviously backed off going in deep on the political/CIA/conspiracy stuff, in order to tell more human tales. If you've read any of his books, they are funny, self-deprecating, seriously insightful - on a level of Louis Theroux, where he catches all sorts of people off-guard and gets them to reveal truth about themselves. He's mild-mannered and anxious, but wow, some people think that means he has a pedo vibe to him, good grief people, that's like saying the nervous kid in class looks like a mass shooter in waiting. What a shitty thing to say. If you don't like his style, go find something more shouty and testosterone-filled.

His books are inspired. Especially on audio which he narrates himself.

[@wodenravens]

Alex Jones and his fans throw paedo accusations at anyone left of Hitler. They are obsessed with satanic paedophile cults that eat human tissue to get high while interdimensional demons join forces with the Soros globalists to enslave the few real humans that are left.

[@gladroad]

he's a duplicitous shitebag in the closet

[@ayhamshaheed7740]

Dan Everitt I see nothing wrong with this man. I do hope you’re not dumb enough to be a follower of Alex Jones Edit: never mind, you are dumb enough

[@AuntieMelissaAnn]

Jon Ronson is the best! He is my favorite nonfiction writer and a great inspiration to me. Keep being your brilliant and resilient self, Jon! ❤️

[@jakethompson510]

Jon ronson is one of the only journalists who genuinely cares about the subjects of his articles more than the article itself

[@MortimerDuke83]

This guy is so versatile. I love Uptown Funk and Valerie and all his stuff 🤟

[@intelligenceservices]

re: alex jones, you know that Jon is struggling to be honest, because at one time Ronson said "Alex would be the new Bill Hicks..." which makes absolutely no sense unless he knew who Alex _really_ was when he was a "teenager"

[@markrichter2053]

Wow Jon’s final summing up is really preaching a beautiful gospel of humanity and compassion towards all our fellow people regardless of what group we’re perceived to be in. Great that ch4 were willing to allow him to say this.

[@simonball2855]

Could listen to Jon Ronson all day.

[@emmahribar]

i love his voice

[@neildhan]

Now hang on a minute. You mean to say that a person's sexuality is not dictated by the way they express themselves? I'm shocked, truly shocked.

[@AuntieMelissaAnn]

Me too! I love listening to him.

[@KastroCake]

I love your hair i want to come all over it

[@Girlintherocket]

He's so wonderful. Brilliant interview! Thank you.

[@markrichter2053]

Well, the thing about Jon is that he’s one guy that ch 4 and KGM wouldn’t dare to do a hatchet job on. Jon is simultaneously the most vulnerable and honest while being the most savvy and ahead of the game. Anyone trying to take Jon down is always going to come out demonstrating their own shortcomings.

[@georgeholloway3981]

This was wonderful!!!!

[@DeeWeber]

Thank you very much for this incredible conversation.

[@iantanner7579]

what a guy, - anxiety can make one so affable, if it isn't suppressed that is... ~ "if only everyone were compelled to wear their heart on their sleeve" ~ corrosiveabuser

[@gina333]

A brilliant and truthful interview about the psychosis of our current culture.

[@memorywarrior8752]

What happened to Justine Sacco was shameful. It wasn't a great joke, and she should have known better, but other people on Twitter simply made it their job to get her fired.

[@gracechan3039]

If you shoved that justine sacco joke in an episode of south park no one would have batted an eyelid.

[@hannahmclaren9672]

He is a fantastic honest journalist. Can't wait to see his work in the future

[@dorcaseatch4078]

Mike Daisy quote resonates with me. For the last 8 years, a stranger has initiated an online shame with others in all aspects of my life so I do not have a life. He searches the internet to find things to shame me for. Who is going to fight for us if not you? I’m am introvert too so you know how I feel- why can’t we get help to stop this because this guy will not stop.

[@LlewynDaviesTheThird]

another superb interview.

[@MagratheaLegend]

Loved the 'For the love of' series in the late 90's that he hosted.

[@TheLucyblades]

Great interview. I love hearing Jon speak but Krishnan also did a great job here.

[@hshhhsbvd2554]

This man's whole body nods when he agrees

[@joshuasole5989]

One of my favourite authors to read. Just brilliant.

[@markrichter2053]

“We operate in this muddy, grey area and we should be curious”

[@adamgm130]

I have been asking myself this question ever since I notice how Europe's Leaders, Britain (Brexit) politicians refused public opinion to totally public ignorance spouting incoherent noises. Jon Robson has answered that shift in human behavior, incredible. Were will it end? Thank you Krishnan

[@stuffnthings4106]

Alex Jones discussed at 30:48

[@BillWoodillustrator]

That's the only reason I'm listening to it to be honest...

[@ozairyahya3438]

Nice

[@JavierBonillaC]

Ron Jonson can make any topic be interesting and entertaining. I don't miss anything he does.

[@claudettes9697]

I really like this fella.

[@mckinnhe]

He's a fine man. Check out his "Secret Rulers of the World" series. He shows so much decency to people that are usually mocked and dismissed. Ronsons is not a conspiracy nut, just someone who wants to hear people out.

[@FixedFace]

Evans McKinney you mea “crazy rulers of the world”? yeah, that programm was neat

[@mckinnhe]

@@FixedFace My bad, but yeah, 'twas awesome.

[@jimdavis8391]

If ONLY journalism was as rigorous and sound as CBT!

[@thisguy1397]

Jon Ronson -. Loves Randy Newman. Nuff Said.....

[@babazoid123]

Jon Ronson’s voice makes me feel good

[@chadkbrignall22]

Brother you should maybe stop drinking soy lattes

[@babazoid123]

chad k Brignall I’m deathly allergic to soy. That’s a supreme level of masculinity

[@chickgin1]

I believe everything in the "This American Life" story--good reporting Jon Ronson. Clearly, some of the people in the comments section of this video haven't listened to it, or are simply deluding themselves.

[@the_luggage]

"[That therapist] was a Freudian and it felt like I'd joined a cult, it was nuts; then, I went to a CBT and it was so much better." 😅

[@MichaelEWinkler]

I have enjoyed many of Jonnys documentaries, however he really showed his ego when he tried taking credit for all the hard work Alex Jones did getting into the Bohemian Grove and his 5 hours of video footage which the jealousy got the best of him and he tried taking credit for the entire project. I just hope as he has gotten older he has tamed his ego and learned from his mistakes because I would rather remember him for the great work he has done rather than his more egotistical aspect of his personality. I look forward viewing his future endeavours and still have a great deal of respect for him.

[@billytheyiddio]

I remember him from the 80's

[@johnforkan1492]

Did you go school with him?

[@billytheyiddio]

@@johnforkan1492 Lol No, I mean from late 80's TV, late nights on C4, very interesting guy.

[@thesunreport]

I think Jonathan Ronsonathan sounds better...so he's missed a trick there.

[@TheMissKizmet]

thesunreport 😂😂😂🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼😂😂😂

[@emmajk7433]

Fantastic interview.

[@dmdmorg]

Never talk about mental health issues in an atmosphere of NHS privatisation, your premiums will go through the roof.

[@mjstow]

Off-topic, but when I was a lad microphones were as unobtrusive as they could be. Now they're quite "in your face", or literally in their faces.

[@chatranieperera718]

4:55 CALLED OUT LOOOL

[@jaewok5G]

jon has such uniquely probative insights that i suspect he'd be a cassandra in most any version of history.

[@paulwilson6064]

He reminds me of a cross between woody allen and emo phillips

[@kyledailey]

*Yes, on His Mannerisms, but not his ethics.*

[@earthseed5669]

anyone know what porn podcast john was interviewed for?

[@lolli33]

The butterfly effect

[@mariapaulaart1311]

26:41 there are some improvements

[@martinaseidel3316]

really enoyed this cht and disheartened by the antisemitic comments here.

[@nathandetroit2615]

martina seidel I know and he’s an atheist

[@richardjones7984]

I have to say that I am a fan of Jon Ronson's books, most of which I have read and found humorous and informative. However, I was surprised that Jon downplayed the Bilderberger's and Bohemian Grove by dismissing it as a "Conspiracy Theory" after having uncovered enough evidence to show that both are a serious problem. I believed at the time that he did that because he was afraid of being assassinated by the both groups which when you consider he lived with Islamic extremists is probably not very logical. As an person on the periphery, who had good inside information, I knew over ten years ago that their plan was to exterminate billions of human beings. Like Steven Hawking and Baron Martin Rees I had worked out that if those insanely psychotic groups remained in power then the actual result was inevitably the total extinction of the human race. I would have hoped that Jon Ronson was intelligent enough to work that out for himself, but apparently not. Alex Jones is over the top, loud and a bully at times but most of what he says is factually correct. He does make some mistakes as every human being makes some mistakes, but not so many mistakes as the Guardian or other mainstream media outlets. The public today know this is true. So I now wonder if Jon Ronson may be one of the bad guys now who is helping to bring about the planned "accidental" extermination of the human race. Disappointed.

[@lukem118]

I don't think Justine Sacco is a liberal joke-ster, she made a "joke" that was dumb. But that shouldn't have led to her life getting destroyed. The creep who tracked her flight and was waiting at the airport came across worse than Sacco.

[@boxant]

that powerful phenotype

[@user-sw3ro6hh3j]

hey its the guy who tried to do dirt on rdj and rdj stormed off lol

[@EmperorScottYee]

I watched a video of Joe Rogan interviewing Jon Ronson. Jon said that there has been a few people he interviewed, that 20 years later end up dead. Krishnan isn't being interviewed by Jon Ronson, so maybe he will still be alive 20 years from now. Time will only tell if he can survive the Ronson curse.

[@biometa6232]

Jon lennon

[@the_luggage]

Wow, he sounds like Joe Lycett.

[@mariapaulaart1311]

5:57 Twitter, shaming and human stupidity.

[@core-nix1885]

"For some reason I chose to assert my Jewishness" Oh, imagine that. What a rare and surprising circumstance.

[@endoalley680]

Wow. fun to go back to what interested us in the previous covid 19 world. Little did they know what was coming!

[@GrubStLodger]

Jihad training camp.... in Crawley?

[@james_gaming787]

Read the book Them. It explains

[@AfghanApothecary]

Look in to the disappearance of 'Bohimian Kyle'

[@adrianford8615]

looks like a cross between Woody Allen and Roger Stone, sorry Roger its just the glasses I think

[@mariapaulaart1311]

28:30 OCD as disease of moral goodness

[@omarks]

I'm sceptical of Jon Ronson

[@davidwhite4874]

You should be.

[@freddiemercury9647]

He's as smarmy as they come

[@Lukemooredrums]

Oh vey!!

[@dylankane5919]

Why? He's the nicest most curious little guy

[@ChubbyChecker182]

The best thing he has done, for me, has to be his stuff with Amy Whitehouse

[@thomasharris7881]

Lol

[@TheVintagesteal]

With all honesty,if you can't see these creatures that are longer hiding it(the company they keep,hand signals etc.)you probably never will.You can't wake up those pretending to be asleep.

[@chooselife3000]

Her joke about AIDS was a joke.

[@victoriassecretisluv]

Alex has broken stories that no one else has so he is a forerunner . He gives deep insight into people by the guests he has on, for example interviewing a past girlfriend of Bill Clinton who was a lawyer . He is the only journalist I know of that entered and reported on Bohemian grove . We need the Alexes of this world to do their job .

[@catbat06]

some of them have even been true!

[@jxg151]

Joe Rogan and Alex Jones are connected to the same nefarious controllers. Jon Ronson has some shady connections, including to a company called the 'Disinformation Company', which has occult ties to the likes of Satanic film producer, Kenneth Anger: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4bRe5xsq5iXZ80

[@AfghanApothecary]

They were invited. Please do a bit of digging. I couldn't believe it m8. Research 'bohimian kyle'. I didn't want to accept it but AJ is controlled opposition. If you research 'team gelatine' you will find his pay masters. Sorry m8

[@michaelboylan5308]

Who is Joe Ronson?

[@johnforkan1492]

No idea but Jon's an author.

[@tewrgh]

Are you alright?

[@freddiemercury9647]

Careful in this comments section. There are people here who take Channel 4 seriously !!

[@Chadhogan111]

Alex Jones - 30:40

[@liamquinn1981]

lol at 1:50 im not a jew, im an atheist... dont worry dude... we all know at this stage. same thing lol

[@isette]

They all beat AJ up but he's a bully .>~>.Typical their the victims as always.:=(.Why didn't they throw wet lettuces at him ??Maybe you need help .

[@mckinnhe]

Yeah, Ronson was wrong to throw AJ under the bus. Even weirder is that it came from an unnamed source and never got traction before and came about the same time as his breakdown. I still love Ronson, but think he has endured some threats.

[@thesolarengineer]

Sounds more like a really, really bad Stephen King story. Your lettuce comment is hilarious 😂.

[@mrtambourineman6107]

Why oh why was this not on MSM ....hmmmm I wonder...

[@markymarky4041]

I turned off the TV when I saw all the bs that happened to Jimmy the Greek . And not one of those hypocrites tried to stop his destruction.

[@missmygamergirl445]

alex Jones ~30 minutes in.

[@RosablueHandMade]

Perhaps my favourite Ronson piece. www.thisamericanlife.org/670/beware-the-jabberwock/act-two-4

[@ordsmedensmening9702]

This person has som serious soul searching to do...

[@tadghsmith1457]

26:42 Jon Ronson thinks Black Lives Matter is a great improvement!? If riots and looting and people getting killed is an improvement in the social discourse I sure wouldn't like to see his idea of a disimprovement!

[@MrHmjg]

the last kind man...

[@titan7529]

Isn’t this the guy who interviewed roger Downey jr?

[@TituslovesPop]

Pair of MI5 vers

[@TelfLad]

weird how this vid i already disliked is still recommended to me, and all the comments are negative hmmm

[@bryankilvinski]

Channel 4 News recreating the Joe Rogan Experience

[@dogheddehgod5953]

Bryan Kilvinski yeah joe Rogen invented 1 on 1 interviews. No evidence of Channel 4 doing interviews decades before KZbin existed.

[@callum9679]

OY VEY

[@Maelli535]

What HAS he got on his head, the black thing?

[@schwab5072]

There's something odd about this bloke, he's not wired right.

[@bryankilvinski]

Which bloke? What do you define as "wired right"?

[@Lukemooredrums]

I believe he's controlled opposition. Think about it

[@vladjones2446]

Luke Moore Where’s the ‘Opposition’ bit? Just controlled.

[@Lukemooredrums]

@@vladjones2446 I just think he's been complicit in lies that proves himself so

[@Lukemooredrums]

@comeherespiral in my opinion he lies about Alex Jones history. Alex Jones is not who he says he is.. it goes pretty deep. But Jon Ronson talks about Alex when he was younger, and I know from outside research that it literally cannot be!

[@psgower72]

I love how this guy has 'Trump Derangement Syndrome'.l

[@thegentleman4873]

@@moneylaunderer6313 Because like the NPC meme, which is also only applicable to the soft headed, useful idiot liberals, prone to mainstream propaganda, It describes a very real mental problem and contemporary form of PC contrition. But 'we' have always overcome dogma before, and I suspect what you are really upset about is that this kind of overt recognition of the problem you suffer from, only enforces how desperate you ought to be, or that you may get better.

[@Kabullo76]

@@moneylaunderer6313 you're acting like a real NPC right now tbh...:DDDDDD

[@Kabullo76]

@@moneylaunderer6313 ORANGE MAN BAD WHITE PRIVILEGED FAKE NOSE GOOD

[@jsmith3980]

Jon ...you look Jewish so no need to be 'outed'!

[@Wildphill1881]

This guy lunches out on Alex’s name constantly

[@robinhooduk8255]

hardly, men who stare at goats is what he is most known for.

[@Wildphill1881]

RobinHoodUKIP big whoop! Why doesn’t he talk about that then? Every interview I’ve seen of his in the last ten years is either about Jones or porn, he’s a little creep

[@johnforkan1492]

No, you've only heard about Jon because you're into Alex Jones.

[@ayhamshaheed7740]

Phill Brown who cares about Alex Jones?

[@stevendouglas3860]

He was good once .

[@hindenberg507]

he defines SOY

[@portaccio]

Hey there tough guy!

[@hindenberg507]

@@portaccio hi sexy mwah

[@dark3879]

last two books ain't been all that good

[@stereoreviewx]

he is admitting he has been a complete immoral click bait seeker most of his life now we are meant to appreciate he sees it differently . a disgrace really

[@misguidedmonkey]

check out that beak

[@davidwhite4874]

Oy vey! Such a schnozz! Shut it down!

[@JB.zero.zero.1]

@@davidwhite4874 Do you revel in your hate-filled racism David? Does it get you hard in the morning?

[@davidwhite4874]

@@JB.zero.zero.1 Ha! Haaa! Yes, dear.......

[@JB.zero.zero.1]

@@davidwhite4874 At least you got a thumb up from a fellow moron.

[@mancrunning1210]

Both come across as incredibly deceitful. Jon's story about Alex Jones sounds completely ridiculous. He bullied people in a city so they invited him to a bar so they could beat him up... . Bronx tale style was it? Presumably they owned this establishment. He's 5 foot 8 or something so God knows who he bullied. But apparently the beating persuaded him to spend a decade in obscurity listening to callers rant and debate, while making himself a huge target for liberals, liberal bullies in fact. Not to mention torching his ability to make a career in anything else. One thing he gets right is mentioning Harvey wienstein having an ideology. That being a secular, hedonistic, liberal one :). Not surprised the therapist wanted to talk about this geezers mother.

[@Musicsification]

I think he said barN

[@hannah6034]

Listen to it on this American Life were it originally aired, a much more comprehensive, balanced story than this hasty paraphrased one.

[@023achilles]

I will never forget when he was ostracizing serious researchers, simply because they thought the Apollo Program resembled a TV program/Hollywood movie, more closely than a serious scientific endeavor. BTW, the Apollo 11 anniversary is coming up this July, and no one has been 'back' to the Moon, since 1972! Maybe that kind of dishonest treatment contributed to your 'breakdown', what do you think, Jon?