Jonah Hill Breaks Down the Math Behind Baseball | MONEYBALL

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[@revinfool]

Someone recommended the book to me 20+ years ago. It was career changing, and I didn't work in sports. I worked for a large aerospace company that was very conservative, much like Billy Beane's scouts. Even when you could show the value of designs was obsolete, use new metrics, eliminate defects, lower costs dramatically, and improve value, the old guard did their best to reject the new paradigm.

[@thomasnilsson2884]

Like nasa and their contracts...

[@yankeefan1208]

One of the best scenes from this movie. You can almost feel the wheels spinning in Billy’s head realizing he’ll be the first GM in history to implement this plan.

[@cyberperson53]

The statistical analysis... *it's so beautiful*.

[@grendel7716]

Easy Raymond

[@anathem01]

Movie aside, it's really sad that Oakland lost their team. I'm not even an A's fan, but I feel for the fans.

[@Basin79]

I wonder how many still haven't seen this gem due to it "being about baseball"?

[@woodysmith2681]

"47...actually, 51. I don't know why I lied just then." is an amazing line. He is underselling his own value, in the same way the players he evaluates are undervalued. He's not a player, family of one, or of an owner, he's fat, etc. So he undervalues himself.

[@p-stylez571]

Great insight. We all catch ourselves doing to ourselves from time to time.

[@Coach_pena]

I remember this season well. My aunt was a huge A's fan. She called my mom daily durning the streak. My mom would talk to her on the phone while they both watched the game.

[@elmoblatch9787]

I'd actually rather be a hug fan than a huge fan.

[@Sincityslim1983]

Baseball, like all sports, is a business thats broken down into science and statistics, but once its projected to the audience they see it as entertainment and many never grasp the true idea of what sports really is. It isnt just about scoring the touchdown or getting that homerun or scoring that goal, its about who is on the team to do it any how many of those you need to win and how many wins you need to make it. Its truly genius business statistics that many people can never get past the tv or the stands.

[@PokerMuppet]

Unfortunately sport started moving away from that some time ago. It's about money... and only about money. Owners like to have the best teams to win as that means money. However, they will often forego trying to build the best team in favour of building the highest value players that they can market. Mbappe is not the best football player in the World, he's not even close. He won the World Cup but did very little in it... Macallister did more during Argentina's World Cup win but even at Liverpool he is not rated as a top class player. But Mbappe he has extreme marketing value through sponsorships, media rights and sales to millions of fans Worldwide. He is a brand... PSG never tried to build a team to win the Champions League... They bought a player they could make money from and built the team they could afford around him. They had to win enough for Mbappe to stay relevant but they never wanted to win at the sport, they wanted to win on the balance sheet... and that is the exact and only reason Real Madrid wanted him and why he is the most valuable player in the World.

[@BrianCarter-nl5nr]

All that math and still can't beat, Any given Sunday.

[@ricardobortolon5929]

They didn't need to show Pete staring at the printer but it's such a relatably cathartic moment that it's perfect

[@JS45678]

The music makes this scene.

[@98cents]

It's interesting that they hype up Bradford so much and then he has practically no part in the movie.

[@mistermonologue2442]

He's a relief pitcher...how much did you expect him to have?

[@98cents]

@mistermonologue2442 i don't think he even has a line in the movie?

[@kennethzimmermann7351]

​@@98centshe's the one I believe who said he'll pray for Billy and his family, so he did have some dialogue.

[@98cents]

@@kennethzimmermann7351 Not much for the hype is all I'm saying.

[@MikeR773]

He had more screen time than the starting rotation, which was virtually nonexistent in the movie and played a much bigger role on that year’s success. Tim Hudson, Barry Zito, Aaron Harang and Cory Lidle weren’t even mentioned in the movie.

[@nonel4515]

This is what baseball is. This is what the Programs were all about. The lack of salary cap is what ruins baseball.

[@garymauk2963]

agree but the other thing needed is a salary floor. However, the big money teams Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Mets, etc, like it the way it is, it is in their favor, they can make a massive amount of money more than other markets and they don't have to share it.

[@plaidchuck]

@@garymauk2963this would help even before a cap. Also local city governments need to have more guts and tell the owners they need to at least attempt to win or they lose rights to tax funded venues.

[@Axeom]

@@garymauk2963 You can remove the Red Sox from that list now. John Henry is a POS, cheap ass owner. We won't have another good team until he sells. He continues to buy other sports teams (Liverpool the latest large one) instead of investing in his existing teams.

[@jiminut]

"Actually, 51, I dont know why I lied just then." Quintessesential Jonah Hill.

[@Lestarchick2]

The part about people being overlooked for a bunch of bullshit reasons really gets me. Such value is wasted in society over perceived flaws.

[@msu15]

1 playoff series win in the MoneyBall era.

[@TheRedStateBlue]

MoneyBall works well in the regular season, when there's 162 games... the numbers will average out. but in the post season, teams need clutch players to deliver in big moments, and MoneyBall can't account for that.

[@CodySchiemann]

@@TheRedStateBlue I believe Boston used it to win the world series a couple of years later. Its not completely unheard of to win in the regular season and ride that to a championship. Now the issue at hand for the A's is that unlike Boston they couldnt afford to spend on star players and still use the metrics properly.

[@TheRedStateBlue]

@@CodySchiemann that's fair. but MoneyBall did get the A's in the postseason, just like it was supposed to. after that, the talent disparity was evident.

[@pjabrony8280]

I bet Chad Bradford wasn't happy finding out that he missed out on $2,763,000.

[@donaldshotts4429]

Middle relievers didn't make $3 mil back then. Nowhere close. Actually it looks like maybe 2-2.5 mil for an effective veteran middle reliever/setup so his point still stands

[@FrederickMalley]

Then other teams copied the method and the players that used to be undervalued were now part of bidding wars and Oakland had a hard time putting a good team together consistently.

[@johnodonoghue651]

1:50 That's not code he wrote. Its a hex dump with some garbage thrown in for effect.

[@user-ho1yn6ms7y]

@2:37 is when Billy realizes this is real. ❤

[@shinestar2912]

This movie should be a primer on how artificial intelligence is replacing the human workforce. Remove all the human factors.

[@hoopslaa5235]

It’s an interesting paradigm problem, ai is better for the consumer and gonna make things cheaper and better for companies, but ironically are the people that need jobs to be consumers and buyers of the products. How are the consumers gonn make money to buy the better automated products AI makes and replaces them! ?!?

[@thomasromanofski16]

World series?

[@nonel4515]

baseball IS math.

[@opelsnest]

Everything has math.

[@OfficialScaring]

Nice

[@smokinjoecool9370]

Number 200 thumbs up👍

[@timjones9206]

And the A’s didn’t win crap

[@spartanx169x]

No but at the time, it made the team competitive on a shoestring budget compared to other teams. The objective of any OWNER of a team is for it to be profitable. Period, end of discussion. You do not buy a team for it to lose money. You buy it to make money including it becoming more valuable to eventually sell it one day. Its hilarious that people never see that. Make them team competitive, more fans buy tickets, more fans buy team stuff, which means more profit. If the fans think their teams have at least a chance, they will watch games and spend money.

[@user-hs7ps3egdkdkd]

Bottom line they still lost.

[@OhNoNotAgain42]

He should have just programmed the statistics from all the teams and had AI generate all the games. Don’t need players, stadiums, anything.

[@philpalmer4877]

Knowledge is woke.

[@muitasvesas4594]

I love kissing guys!!

[@nonel4515]

dope

[@user-ho1yn6ms7y]

I assume you mean this in the best possible way. As in, discovering knowledge leads you to question the “status quo?”

[@Johnbobon]

​@@nonel4515You have to be more specific. Nowadays, stupid people use that word to describe something that's apparently really good.

[@donaldshotts4429]

Woke served a purpose, but went wayyyy overboard like many things in the world

[@LouisBilodeau-p7e]

Zero championships