Jonas Vingegaard’s 1x Cervélo S5 | Tour De France Pro Bike

[@gcntech]

What are your thoughts on Vingegaard’s 1x set-up? ⚙

[@philipcooper8297]

What's the longevity of such setup? I mean, the chain really gets all over the place when shifting through the 10-36 cassette.

[@PrzemyslawSliwinski]

Well, it's great and optimized for professional riders with a bunch of bikes and a tech support on call. PS I am surprised this chainring is considered aero - sidewind-wise it apparently isn't.

[@PrzemyslawSliwinski]

@@philipcooper8297 It is not a trekking bike for amateurs, so the durability issues aren't that important, I think (they will survive these tubulars anyway... ;)

[@cauldron101]

Awesome setup and a beautiful bike. It is not for everyone though, not just in terms of cost, but also in terms of physical condition.

[@SecwetGwiwer]

@@philipcooper8297there’s no reason for it to be less durable than 2x.

[@brucereid957]

I live on the east coast of Massachusetts near the New Hampshire border. Rolling hills and some fairly steep hills on occasion. Went to a single Wolf 46T up front and love it. At some point I will jump up to a 48T. No front derailleur noise or issues. At 59 years of age, I am now looking for simplicity over style. No more front derailleur for me.

[@ibrahimseck8520]

Not as good as my hybrid bike, the Decathlon riverside 500 but decent enough...Jonas is lucky, I don't have time to compete in La Grande Boucle !

[@a1white]

You probably have more gears with lower gears for the mountain stages too 😁

[@JSC131]

Gorgeous bike set up looks spot on great content Si.

[@gcntech]

Will this bike win the tour? 🇫🇷

[@JSC131]

@@gcntech Definitely!!!. And will see that today on stage 5.

[@juhan2003]

Much smaller saddle to bar drop compared to the extreme positions of other pros!

[@gaz2188]

Yet he looked super aero on stage 5 today!

[@JBtheboss649]

@@gaz2188you know that he’s was not on this bike on stage 5 right?

[@ch4osmind993]

@@JBtheboss649both will be setup for the same position

[@siitan83]

Im not a fan of the frame aesthetics and star trek cockpit, but that is an absolute weapon..

[@lionelclavier2476]

Very Very cool ! I have had an 11/40 cassette fitted at a time I genuinely needed easy gears (together with 50/34 at the front). I could now live without the 11/40 cassette, but would not change for anything in the world. The large gear capacity at the back means I am almost always on the 50 at the front. I am genuinely thinking of 1X on my road bike when I will shortly need to change my transmission. I am happy that Jonas has copied my trend … I set it in 2016 already ! 😅😂

[@paulhartzer10]

I own both SRAM 2x and 1x, love them both. For road I still prefer a classic setup with 50/37-10/28 but for off roading and bikepacking I love 1x. Not a single chaindrop yet!

[@mlee6050]

I will miss the 53/39 front, what is your view of 10/28? I'm tempted to go 10/33 just incase need it

[@farrier53]

It's fun when money is no object...😝 I still ride the aluminum P3 (TT) converted for road with 9spd D.A. 3lbs heavier then Jona's but it still a beast. The beginning of it all really !

[@PedroPrego]

That aero setup is lighter than what Almeida used on the moutain top finishes at the giro this year. Wow.

[@ANONyme-xt4vb]

My guess is that the 1x setup saves quite a bit of weight but is inadequate for the mountains.

[@PedroPrego]

@@ANONyme-xt4vb I guess roglic made it work (the 1x)

[@pietrop19]

@@PedroPrego Roglic used it only during uphills, it's hard to pedal at 80km/h and at climbing speeds with 1x

[@ThisIsANameBruh]

@@ANONyme-xt4vb why? with a 36 cassette and the gradients this year he's got all the range he needs.

[@meibing4912]

@@ANONyme-xt4vb seriously? Did you miss seeing Vingegaard climb away from everyone at the Dauphiné? And aero is important downhill too.

[@jonaslpz01]

Great to see tubulars again. For me its no surprise

[@zukzworld]

Covering the stem bolts can be aesthetically pleasing! Looks cool as a whole ✌🏾❤️

[@ofeykalakar1]

I’ve had a chain come off on my one-by GRX820 at speed - after adjusting never came off. Also had a Shimano rear cassette on the same one -by just inexplicably fail- brand new cassette. One of my Titanium bikes is a smidge heavier than this bike at 7.5 kg. A SRAMano setup- werks great

[@AQUPAS]

It's a Cervelo, fine piece of Canadian engineering!

[@plantsofwar8834]

They're based out of California these days.

[@universe-juice]

I love this bike. Want one pretty bad!!!! Would get it in the new red colorway

[@Gary_G]

I read somewhere that the bike frames are made intentionally as small (short) as possible and that is why the stem is long. I ride a custom Serotta with a longer top tube and needed a long stem due to a longer torso. The 1x makes sense especially with a 52 vs 53 and a larger cassette.

[@buddy5143]

It’s probably cause he doesn’t trust the sram front derailleur hahaha

[@nicklass7075]

I'm using SRAM 2x and know exactly what you mean :D

[@Artemstorozhuk]

Jokes aside: is it really that bad? Even electronic?

[@nicklass7075]

@@Artemstorozhuk I use electronic and it's not that bad. The chain jumped a couple of times and now I'm a little more careful to not pedal too hard when shifting. It's not a significant problem for me. I love my SRAM etap.

[@alastairstedman7840]

@@Artemstorozhuk let me put it this way. There is a reason why SRAM pushed 1x SO hard on MTB. It wasn't because it was any better than a 2x system. It's just that SRAM front mechs can't shift to save their lives. There is a reason why the majority of mountain bikes in the mid to late 00s and early 10s when specced with sram always had a Shimano front mech.

[@Jari1973]

🤣

[@neilmurray4231]

Out of curiosity would love to know frame sizes compared to riders height and how close to normal frames/height they are.?

[@FlammesRouges]

GCN loves Jambo and Jonas!!

[@PrateekVarshney_PV]

So cool to be the person who shifts the likes from 1.9k to 2k 😁

[@MTBScotland]

the saddle position, the bar/saddle height difference and the rise on the stem are pretty unusual for a roadie. Thats the set up I prefer on my road bike (not the 140mm stem though).

[@davidli3582]

He's a young guy who probably listened to his bike fitter. A certain someone who never officially won the TDF 7 times also had an upward stem.

[@bearsdidit]

Impressively light for an aero bike!

[@003590510]

@GCN can you do a comparison between a old carbon bike vs a new carbon fiber bike? Like a 2004 Specalized Roubaix Comp vs 2023 S-Works Roubaix

[@melaniamonicacraciun9900]

Suuuuper wow indeed

[@BigBeezyBtown]

The only thing I ever use my front derailleur for is stoplights. Just finished a custom bike build and am running a 52t in the front and 11-34 at the back. Unless you’re climbing insane hills, you don’t need it.

[@Shadowboost]

If you're crosschaining a 52/34, I have something to mention about that. My 34/25 is used all the time, and 52/34 is significantly harder gear ratio

[@leepipes7336]

Hey, nice vid. Do you experience Cross Chain so far with this kind of set up?

[@hh_88]

the 1X It is not only because the aero and lightweight, it's also for chainline..... chainline reduces cross chain friction and the pedaling it's more smoother.

[@dainiusvysniauskas2049]

Chainline can't possibly be better on 1x than 2x tho? Not to mention that 10t cog is less efficient than 12t

[@ComandanteNissaro]

This is my dream bike.

[@christophermee5214]

Great bike love the set up too. I think that mark cavendish hasn’t got the legs anymore. Loads of young guns wanting it more

[@TheUsername1302]

It’s pretty interesting to see that Jonas is riding a size smaller than he was last year

[@kpsig]

What is the height of Jonas, the rider? 51 top tube and 14 cm stem? Looks like one size smaller frame and then balancing via a longer stem?

[@ZerdN]

He's 175cm, which is usually size 54. His R5 is size 54, but a 3cm shorter stem, so yeah I guess that compensates for it.

[@johnunruh1086]

I read somewhere the Roglic had issue with chain in rear not on front chainring.

[@julianmorris9951]

Tubulars for the win, if it ain’t broke.....👌🏻

[@HolisticHealthEducation]

I like it. Cervelo may send me one.

[@SecwetGwiwer]

Been riding 1x for 15 years, not one chain drop, ever.

[@meibing4912]

1 year and the same. Hope to beat your record...

[@danhasnedl_CZ]

I also don't understand how can anyone drop a chain on the road while using 1x.

[@trepidati0n533]

@@danhasnedl_CZ shifting under power and your rear derailleur "springing" causing loss of tension. If you have a good chain and good clutch...this shouldn't ever happen.

[@meibing4912]

@@trepidati0n533 no clutch on Ultegra Di2 12 speed - but Shimano HG+ rules.

[@gc6347]

Sram is a very good ally pushing on Pogacar's side to win the 2023 tour.

[@PostmanStudio]

the frame design is superb, when I compare to my Giant Advanced Defy1, its way way greater than Giant. No the same price though.

[@zimmejoc]

I'd rather lose the 74g a front derailleur weighs myself and have that front derailleur. I just need more gears to find my optimal cadence and power than what a 1x setup provides--I'm often pedaling too fast or too hard. Like Goldilocks and her porridge, chairs, and mattresses, I want everything to be "just right" and 2x allows that. Sick bike though, just not enough gears for a mere mortal like myself.

[@willberry6434]

Beautiful bike

[@j_thibs_37]

I ride a Cervelo S5 with shimano ultegra DI2. It’s my first “super bike,” and it is a beast. It is fast as hell. Crushes hills and even some mid range climbs. A great all around bike for sure.

[@kevinbarkema1666]

I found the front derailleur doesn’t jump if you push the buttons very quickly and release quickly.

[@Fixin-To]

I’ve been running this exact setup for 2yrs. Unless you’re in a heavy Mountainous area 2x is not needed. However I have dropped chain twice and broken a fairly new chain so have just followed suit and bought the WT Chain Catcher.

[@kek007]

Vingegaar tryed to scrape off Sram logo , managed to scrape off half of M😀

[@nathanwforrest]

1x is the future. MTB figured out years ago but roadies are a little slow to embrace technology (see disc brakes for another example.) While I'm at it, anyone win any big road races with a dropper post? Need more?

[@ervin7178]

It probably is. But with current setups the jumps in gears are pretty noticeable on road. And the chain line means less efficiency at the top and bottom of the cassette.

[@bengt_axle]

Anyone using TPU tubes on the clinchers?

[@georgesj9536]

why'd they run the aero bike with those shallow wheels all the time? Wout has been on shallow rims almost all year.. Would be nice if GCN asked for the reason

[@jarrodfife242]

Wheels probably don’t affect that much. Think Jonas he’s not gonna be off the front for hours in a breakaway

[@gcntech]

Maybe we'll ask the Jumbo team next time we see them! 👀

[@georgesj9536]

@@jarrodfife242 possibly.. but last year WvA was always riding 50-60mm deep rims, this year 30-45mm, even on the flat stages.. which I guess must have a reason

[@ucdcrush]

Would appreciate measurement such as saddle height.

[@joeymalin]

Is this a big deal for wolf tooth?? I always thought of them as a random little company that made miscellaneous little parts!

[@Choedron]

I want to inherit that bike. Just the right size 👍🤣

[@Owen-lc6xi]

shimano 105 di2 and sram rival group set which group is better?

[@devinmorrison7131]

So nice to see the reigning champion have the guts to go against sponsorship marketing BS and switch back to tried and true tubular wheels. So much faster and safer than tubeless.

[@meibing4912]

Also use Speedplay and 1x - will that me climb as Vingegaard?😅

[@chrisrodriguez5701]

36 in back with a giant 52t chainrings up front? That’s not gonna cut it for me 😅

[@mehrdadabidari7202]

Tubulars, YESSSS! But 37/34 mm for climbing? Hmmm

[@kaltonian]

yeah beautiful frame......

[@Mavrik-60]

Hope this single drive doesn't catch on because love my two by. Basically gives me climbing and road gears. One by does to but not as much. Good vid keepemcoming

[@bradbarbour23]

Wouldn’t the 40cm bars negate any difference with a 38?

[@blazemanchannel477]

I’m enjoying the bike so far kzbin.infoUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA My only real complaints are the brakes and the pedals. I feel like a bike designed for bigger people should have much larger pedals and more heavy duty brakes. I’ve only gotten two really good rides out of it, minimal downhill action, and the brakes feel like they’re already going out. A larger person has more momentum, so I think this wasn’t thought through very well. Also, I wear size 13-14 wide shoes. My feet cramp up on these pedals that are clearly made for smaller feet. Since I’m not a pro rider (and I don’t think many are who purchase this bike) I don’t think that the straps on the pedal are necessary at all. None of this takes away from the enjoyment I get from riding, however. I’ll just head to a bike shop to improve on a few things.

[@jasonwong6369]

How does Yonas ride a 51 size bike at 5'9"?

[@cala-d4v]

This bike is a bit nicer than my Cervelo R3.

[@gaaraofddarkness]

weight of the bike is 7.12 kg

[@syazwanabdull4835]

Very light aero

[@imvictorvasquez]

Does anybody know what garmin model he uses?

[@davidf2281]

2:14 Am I missing something or will that chain catcher only stop the chain dropping to the inside, not the outside?

[@a.campos891]

It should prevent the chain to go high enough to leave a chainring tooth and drop on either side.

[@davidf2281]

@@a.campos891 Ah of course, thank you.

[@edymarkonthego4096]

I prefer 1 x 11-40 for me with 12 speed.

[@Marcus-uh8qd]

anyone managed to figure out how they sealed the stem bolts already? ):

[@reinholdachleitner2069]

Nice bike but I can't get used to Cervelo's aero stem design,It looks really freaky like Trek's Madone SLR frame.

[@Shadowboost]

It's not meant for looks

[@reinholdachleitner2069]

@@Shadowboost True, for performance.👍🏻

[@BRMCaptChaos]

Nice bike, flush chainring is not a marginal gain, its a big one. I dont believe that weight. They must be ballasting it or beefing up the frame, just tot up the weight numbers on the components. Also Cervelo, built in eliptical motion bottom bracket.

[@Shadowboost]

I believe that weight. The S5 isn't that light, but not that heavy either. Builds on weightweenies have a few in the low 7's, but not 1x and not with tubulars

[@East_Bay_Funk]

is 52/36 the standard lowest gear?

[@berschte]

Carbon frame ?

[@lucasstevenson3048]

what seat post is that can't find it anywhere

[@Shadowboost]

Cervelo seatpost

[@superlauhea]

size 54 last year. this Year size 51. #gcntech 😏

[@adamweb]

Do tubular tires offer any real advantage in 2023?

[@dainiusvysniauskas2049]

No

[@admirale3000]

Nop, just weight

[@mrbeanspainting]

do they have brakes

[@MonteiroM]

Can I try it?

[@michaelvrbanac6923]

I had a Cervelo SLC SL 2008 with SRAM Red 10 speed and Zipp 404 tubulars that weighed under UCI the limit, so I am not impressed with the new heavier disc brake bikes with 12 speed cassettes.

[@leomac000]

Waiting for part 2 “how to ride it”

[@mochno1]

Cranks length? 😢

[@dogphlap6749]

Apparently no Tour de France bike is allowed to compete if its weight is less than 6.8kg.

[@tvbaster329]

Why did you say 140 mm stem if the sign on the stem is 120 mm??

[@robrobert2553]

woo woo wee waa

[@noobcyclist1017]

Which "hohhhh" is better. Si's or Ollie's? 😂

[@Barryens]

Is this paving the way for the next RED to be 1x13 ?

[@gcntech]

👀... we'll have to wait and see!

[@chrisridesbicycles]

New SRAM Red shining through? Jumbo Visma has not switched over from Shimano for no reason.

[@emilvaradi9393]

Money?

[@ozgurinsan]

wait till they lose the your pogocar.

[@nem3th]

I think, that jumbo said that they choose SRAM over shimano because SRAM suits better with short chainstay , wich is one of the shortest on their cervelo frames.

[@a1white]

Is he actually going to use that 1x setup on the bigger mountainous stages? 52: 36? 🤔

[@Shadowboost]

Most likely not, but he could use a smaller front ring. 46?

[@yukiko_5051]

@@Shadowboost And sacrificing high gear?

[@terryhollands2794]

I don't like 1X drive trains. I have on my mountain bike a 1X setup, that will be changed to a 2 chainring crank set soon.

[@xGshikamaru]

with all those specific buts it must be quite a challenge for Jumbo Visma mechanics. But seeing him and Pogacar climb on the big dog even on steeper climbs he may not need one. I've heard Van Aert was using the classified hub though

[@Shadowboost]

He is not. No Jumbo rider is on classified

[@mtb717]

We have a lot of bikes

[@two20john]

Massive gear change jumps, okay if you're not paying for your bike, but no way Jose if it's my hard-earned.

[@andrewmcalister3462]

Given he's running 2x vowels in his name, he only needs 1x in his shifting.

[@brandywell44]

is there are a legal minimum weight of bike for Le Tour?

[@byrondixon4648]

6.8kg

[@brandywell44]

@@byrondixon4648 Thankyou

[@christellelemaire9749]

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[@oj8111]

I am more interested in what was holding the bike up in the video..LOL

[@xfg007]

It's a transparent holder, you can see it under the crank when they zoom in on it 1:42

[@MrMichaelfalk]

0:34

[@oj8111]

OK, great thanks for that

[@Milan-rk2px]

9w/kg AT minimum, yv the strongest Guy on the earth! Lol

[@danfuerthgillis4483]

This is nothing new this is what Pantani was basically going up the hills with a 54 and cross chained on the 9 speed in the back. With a 54 ring in a 1x you can ride up hills as if you are doing a time trial with the cross chaining to the max, this allows less spinning and less standing up on the bike. Been doing this for many years but on the flats here.

[@Grovreicraynth]

What kind of issues can you expect to see when you run a 1x on a shimano 105? I have 2 bicycles, and I wanna run my other one as a 1x since I have a relatively flat commute but it's extra long. The speed and the lighter weight might be useful.

[@dylanl9532]

Weight seems high for 1 by and super lightweight wheel + tire

[@byrondixon4648]

I also had that though 🤔

[@SecwetGwiwer]

It’s lighter than most, some tour bikes are over 8kg.

[@Shadowboost]

Typical build weight for S5 is in the 7.3-7.5 kg range

[@60westpro]

I just did a 600 mile bike packing trip with my 1x sram setup and my chain came off - granted its a new bike so there has been some significant stretch to the chain but my mine was blown nonetheless-

[@Eirikkinserdal]

Roglic's chain came off on the outside of the chainring, he had a chainguard on the inside

[@emilvaradi9393]

1. Running SRAM chains should be a no-no, since they are (marginally) slower than Shimano chains. But marginally or not even marginal gains or in this case losses do count. See findings by of Australian Zero Friction Cycling. 2. If I remember correctly it is also their finding that SRAM 1x seems to be occasionally dropping chains. Again something marginal but at long distances and tough race condictions marginal losses very likely pile up to statistically importnat facts. 3.I remember Silca chief Josh Portner saying in a chat with GCN presenters that 2x is a better option than 1x. I think we will see during this year's TdF ár latest by 2023 Vuelta if these alleged factors prove to be important enough to force a change in the pro peloton.

[@meibing4912]

Sponsors decide your chain. That's pro life. Pro's generally would choose Specialized frames and Shimano gears and their chains - may or may not be for good reasons (according to a top pro who just stopped racing interviewed about what gear the pro's would chose if they could - interestingly, for a lot of gear they don't really care).