Symbolism of the Tree

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Jonathan Pageau

Jonathan Pageau

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@squallada586
@squallada586 6 жыл бұрын
No matter how much you dig, there still more and more meaning in this book. How is it even possible?
@DR_Neal_Rigger
@DR_Neal_Rigger 6 жыл бұрын
Squallada , One of many ongoing miracles 👍
@kargs5krun
@kargs5krun 6 жыл бұрын
Like the changing depths of an ocean, or the ever returning leaves on a tree, or the harvest each brings season after season. Yes. All w/in "the plan." *Eternity*
@pirroplumbi352
@pirroplumbi352 6 жыл бұрын
... The Book
@harrycicero263
@harrycicero263 5 жыл бұрын
It's possible by grace :)
@fluxpistol3608
@fluxpistol3608 5 жыл бұрын
It’s called projecting interpretations
@James-ky8gh
@James-ky8gh 6 жыл бұрын
As an Arborist this explanation touched me deeply. I remember the day I choose to work with the trees and the feeling I had looking up into a huge white pine in a meditative state deep in the forest. I felt that up there between the crown and the sky was a connection I needed to explore to find myself(something like That?). Best decision I could of made at the time , shortly there after I left the military, started working with trees. 12 years later I have a great outdoor job I love and a family with two healthy children. Thanks, love your insight.
@niemamnicku1359
@niemamnicku1359 3 жыл бұрын
The only question is how does it feel like to be responsible for killing innocent kids. The problem of inphobes is that they hate human so deeply that they only love nature.
@westonriner7264
@westonriner7264 3 жыл бұрын
What the hell is an inphobe
@gillfleming1741
@gillfleming1741 2 жыл бұрын
@@niemamnicku1359 an arborist is not the same thing as an abortionist! 😖
@elusivemayfly7534
@elusivemayfly7534 2 жыл бұрын
When you talked about Jesus wearing the crown of thorns, it struck me in the heart. I will spend my life, and I am sure my afterlife, drinking in the truth of His sacrifice, love, and absolute glory. I will be always feeling for His parameters, but He absolutely exceeds parameters. Thank you, Jonathan. When I learn about Jesus, with the Spirit’s help, I am soaring. ❤️
@Keeronin
@Keeronin 6 жыл бұрын
I got very emotional towards the end there, that was fascinating Jonathan thank you. The more I listen to your videos, the more I begin to understand what Jesus means, and the closer I feel to God, or at least understanding what his word means. These are really great videos. Please keep it up.
@JonathanPageau
@JonathanPageau 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the touching comment. All the best on your own journey.
@Allyourheroswenttohell
@Allyourheroswenttohell Жыл бұрын
​@@JonathanPageauIdk how I made it 8 minutes into this BS. The tree of good and evil and the tree of life are the same thing. Life literally brings good and evil. The picture you keep flaunting of Adam on one side and eve on the other with the serpent literally represents the three pillars of the tree of life. Your attempt to deflect this puts the fig tree at the bottom... this would mean purity leads to the knowledge of good and evil. What non sense. God told them if they ate from the tree they would surely die. Eve represents Adams darkness. God in the crnter masculine and feminine energy on ether side. In the beginning there was darkness. Greeks called it chaos. Divine feminine. Hence the virgin birth leading to the divine masculine. That's why eve was the first sinner. She disobeyed God by eating the fruit. This represents Adam facing his own darkness. Through this act they did in fact ascend. For the fruit is actually the all seeing eye. Sirius. Did God tell a lie? No. They died and were reborn! The two tree's in the garden represents the brain stem and the ether on either side of the ruver of God. The four rivers are the four ventricles that carry your cerebral spinal fluid. Aka the river of God. Your spine is the serpent, and more specifically in this story it was literally eve's darkness. The four cheribum are the four corners of the mind. It's in the east because that's where the eastern star is. Aka sirius. The all seeing eye smh. Man has become like one of us... we are one in God. Nobody gets to the father accept through me... the knowledge of good and evil, aka you have to understand what evil is smh. You can only do that by sinning and to sin is to die. For their sins they were cast down simply because the eighth king, d evil, always returns. You can't have life without death, and you can't have good without d evil within. All things come from God. That includes your evil thoughts. Stop the dumb BS diagrams and misleading interpretations. You freemasons are sick in the head man, fr. The tree bears fruit once a month that heals you.... 2 and half days of the moon being in your star sign. But you already know that don't you?
@davidMflores
@davidMflores 6 жыл бұрын
I have always been perplexed by the story of Jesus cursing the fig tree. As soon as you mentioned it being in the garden my mind went to that story. It makes so much more sense now.
@shadowbody
@shadowbody Жыл бұрын
Cursing supplementation itself. No need for supplementation if one goes directly to Christ.
@Allyourheroswenttohell
@Allyourheroswenttohell Жыл бұрын
​@@shadowbody😂😂😂😂 keep telling yourself that lie This was my response to this guy.. Idk how I made it 8 minutes into this BS. The tree of good and evil and the tree of life are the same thing. Life literally brings good and evil. The picture you keep flaunting of Adam on one side and eve on the other with the serpent literally represents the three pillars of the tree of life. Your attempt to deflect this puts the fig tree at the bottom... this would mean purity leads to the knowledge of good and evil. What non sense. God told them if they ate from the tree they would surely die. Eve represents Adams darkness. God in the crnter masculine and feminine energy on ether side. In the beginning there was darkness. Greeks called it chaos. Divine feminine. Hence the virgin birth leading to the divine masculine. That's why eve was the first sinner. She disobeyed God by eating the fruit. This represents Adam facing his own darkness. Through this act they did in fact ascend. For the fruit is actually the all seeing eye. Sirius. Did God tell a lie? No. They died and were reborn! The two tree's in the garden represents the brain stem and the ether on either side of the ruver of God. The four rivers are the four ventricles that carry your cerebral spinal fluid. Aka the river of God. Your spine is the serpent, and more specifically in this story it was literally eve's darkness. The four cheribum are the four corners of the mind. It's in the east because that's where the eastern star is. Aka sirius. The all seeing eye smh. Man has become like one of us... we are one in God. Nobody gets to the father accept through me... the knowledge of good and evil, aka you have to understand what evil is smh. You can only do that by sinning and to sin is to die. For their sins they were cast down simply because the eighth king, d evil, always returns. You can't have life without death, and you can't have good without d evil within. All things come from God. That includes your evil thoughts. Stop the dumb BS diagrams and misleading interpretations. You freemasons are sick in the head man, fr.
@kh218
@kh218 6 жыл бұрын
Dude, I've literally been searching for years for someone on your level. A living person on this level anyway. Jordan Peterson had me excited at first but not so much anymore as he gets distracted easily. Found you through him. Great stuff. First time I've ever considered supporting someone for their KZbin work since 2008. Really good work. Thank you.
@amandalee8139
@amandalee8139 Жыл бұрын
Have you seen anything of Jay Dyer or Church of the Eternal Logos?
@Allyourheroswenttohell
@Allyourheroswenttohell Жыл бұрын
​@@amandalee8139all these people full of BS My reaponse.. Idk how I made it 8 minutes into this BS. The tree of good and evil and the tree of life are the same thing. Life literally brings good and evil. The picture you keep flaunting of Adam on one side and eve on the other with the serpent literally represents the three pillars of the tree of life. Your attempt to deflect this puts the fig tree at the bottom... this would mean purity leads to the knowledge of good and evil. What non sense. God told them if they ate from the tree they would surely die. Eve represents Adams darkness. God in the crnter masculine and feminine energy on ether side. In the beginning there was darkness. Greeks called it chaos. Divine feminine. Hence the virgin birth leading to the divine masculine. That's why eve was the first sinner. She disobeyed God by eating the fruit. This represents Adam facing his own darkness. Through this act they did in fact ascend. For the fruit is actually the all seeing eye. Sirius. Did God tell a lie? No. They died and were reborn! The two tree's in the garden represents the brain stem and the ether on either side of the ruver of God. The four rivers are the four ventricles that carry your cerebral spinal fluid. Aka the river of God. Your spine is the serpent, and more specifically in this story it was literally eve's darkness. The four cheribum are the four corners of the mind. It's in the east because that's where the eastern star is. Aka sirius. The all seeing eye smh. Man has become like one of us... we are one in God. Nobody gets to the father accept through me... the knowledge of good and evil, aka you have to understand what evil is smh. You can only do that by sinning and to sin is to die. For their sins they were cast down simply because the eighth king, d evil, always returns. You can't have life without death, and you can't have good without d evil within. All things come from God. That includes your evil thoughts. Stop the dumb BS diagrams and misleading interpretations. You freemasons are sick in the head man, fr.
@PresterMike
@PresterMike 6 жыл бұрын
Johnathan i fell to my knees the moment you connected christ being on the cross as being the embodiment of the whole garden of eden story. The surge of understanding that washed over me was pretty f*ckin intense. I mean my goodness THIS is why christianity has endured and should. This is what i was missing when was a teenager dedicating my time to atheistic arguments and christianity bashing...i didnt fully see the deep symbolic understanding of the christian* tradition.
@maligjokica
@maligjokica 6 жыл бұрын
the same reaction of the same part of the video:)))
@tonka-ti6rg
@tonka-ti6rg 6 жыл бұрын
I'm Orthodox and i had the same visceral reaction
@maligjokica
@maligjokica 6 жыл бұрын
orthodox here also:))
@AkraticElitist
@AkraticElitist 6 жыл бұрын
Amen.
@williamdiaz2645
@williamdiaz2645 6 жыл бұрын
I'm a Jew. There is no Judaeo Christianity. We reject the New Testament. Would it surprise you to know that we have our own interpretation of this? 16 "Long life is in her right hand; in her left hand are riches and honor. 17 Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace. 18 She is a tree of life to those who lay hold of her; those who hold her fast are called happy." The Tree of Life is the Torah. And in it is contained G-ds Law. "O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day." King David Make it about Jesus, Mohammed or anyone you wish. But it has a context.
@lizbec1085
@lizbec1085 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been drawn to trees for as long as I can remember. I’ve always loved drawing and painting trees…climbing them…finding myself staring at them for long periods of time. I’ve become obsessed with growing things and since COVID lockdowns. This podcast is a gem! It’s become one of my favorites! Thank you for this topic….It popped up today and made me smile immediately! God Bless You All! 🌸🙏🏽🌻
@wjcj1234
@wjcj1234 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome explanation. Thank you. Needed an *everything belongs* moment tonight and the Holy Spirit allowed me to not feel the lonely dryness I've been carrying lately. I get so much joy when in the mystery of symbolism. Thanks again for being a good voice.
@BasFolmer
@BasFolmer 6 жыл бұрын
Jonathan this was a phenomenal video! Unbelievable how great the mysteries in the bible are. I love how you take a thread or a theme in the Bible and show its manifestations and meanings like this and like in your video "Following a Symbolic Thread | Heaven and Earth From Genesis to Christ". Awesome man. Wow. We have a great God
@PaulVanderKlay
@PaulVanderKlay 6 жыл бұрын
This was very helpful to me both in accessing the conversation of the Bible and opening up more of the Eastern tradition to me. Very cool. Thanks. pvk
@Yelena504
@Yelena504 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. This was so heartbreakingly beautiful. This transcends language. Christ is beyond words. Opposites together at the same time. Mind-blowing.
@elusivemayfly7534
@elusivemayfly7534 2 жыл бұрын
Does it feel to you, like it does to me, that you understand somewhere in your deepest spirit in a way you can’t wrap your mind around? Like seeing a gemstone at the bottom of a pool. The water, light, and any objects in the pool obscure it, but you know there is something bright and beautiful there. The most valuable thing of all.
@patrickc3871
@patrickc3871 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. I have also done some investigation into this symbolism and come across another fascinating connection. I'll try to keep it brief. The Hebrew word for tree is "etz". When the LXX translators came to this word they had to decide between two greek words for "tree", dendron and xulan. For most uses they put dendron. However, for verses referring to a cursed tree (cursed is everyone hung on a tree), they would use the word xulan. Now fast forward a few hundred years, the book of Revelation never mentions the cross, however, it often mentions the tree of life, specifically, the "xulan" of life in greek. We can see here that John is making a connection between the tree of life in the garden and the cross. But it gets better. The rule from the garden is that if you eat the fruit of the tree of life you live. And in John 6 Jesus tells us to eat his body and blood, in other words, to partake of the "fruit" of the "tree of life", that is, his body on the cross. But what is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Well, knowledge of good and evil comes through the law, and Moses represents the law. He also had a tree, specifically, his staff. And his staff turns into a snake, just like there was a snake in the tree of the law in the garden. So the two trees represent the two covenants. The tree of the law, which is supposed to impart life, actually brings death (see Romans). And the xulan, which is supposed bring death and a curse, is actually what brings life.
@thestraightroad305
@thestraightroad305 3 жыл бұрын
A fascinating trip through language and how scripture uses language to display sacred paradox.
@Dan-zk8qo
@Dan-zk8qo 10 ай бұрын
I know it's been 5 years since you wrote this, but I just found this video by Jonathan. You are so right! I also came to the conclusion that the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was the law. The law reveals the perfect God, but convicts all mankind, as Paul pointed out, it shows us our sins. I didn't know about the 2 words for tree and that is an awesome find and showing how the same word in connection with the cross is used for the tree of life in Revelation and His body as the fruit, is awesome!
@SlLVERFAWKES
@SlLVERFAWKES 5 жыл бұрын
Tree/Brain Words/Fruit Seeds/Ideas Heart/Garden Light/Knowledge Water/Thought Plant/Hear A tree produces fruit and when consumed there are seeds within and get planted in the garden, with water and light the seed will spring forth. A brain speaks words with ideas and when heard, with thought and knowledge you can manifest.
@rontate7719
@rontate7719 4 жыл бұрын
moar MOAR More!!!!!!!!!!! xxxxxxx 870988790275645365768978887878787878799009 thx
@rontate7719
@rontate7719 3 жыл бұрын
More Bravo. Trying to cut copy this. Thanks
@VanillaButtercreamFrosting
@VanillaButtercreamFrosting 3 жыл бұрын
This also corresponds with our chakras which are like a tree with our top chakra connected to God and the root chakra connected to earth. Genius!
@divinegraceberbano1256
@divinegraceberbano1256 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Screenshot taken.
@SlLVERFAWKES
@SlLVERFAWKES 3 жыл бұрын
@@divinegraceberbano1256 Thank you @Ron Tate, I suppose the best place to start explaining what the physical things of this realm translates to in the realm of allegory/metaphor so let us start with the "4 Elements" which are both literal and metaphorical and by the way the word element is a compound word, (EL= Of God in masculine) (Le = Of God Feminine) (Ment = of the Mind) It is a suffix of Latin origin which means; the product of doing something a.k.a. "finished work". The first element is Air (Literal=Air, Metaphorical=Breath) which is the most important or the Alpha, it is in all the other elements as well, the word "Spirit" is from the Latin word Spiritus which means Breath. We use Air to breath and to speak which passes knowledge. God is a Spirit which means that God is Air. The second element is Fire, (Literal=Fire, Metaphorical=Light/Knowledge) Fire is an energy which empowers, an Atom/Energy creates, Atum/The Sun creates, Adam/The 1st Son creates which by the way all were split into two to create. Light is the first of all creation, it is through light that all things were created. The third element is Water, (Literal=Water, Metaphorical=Thought) Water gives life, it is a powerful force on this planet, thought is about the most powerful force of the mind, water gives life and it's through thought that we conceive or manifest things into this realm, (Mary/Mariah/Maria) means "Sea of sorrow", She conceived the "Son of God". The fourth element is Earth (Literal=Earth, Metaphorical=Body) In Genesis the first appearance is God/Air, He hovers of the Waters/Thought and says; "Let there be Light/Fire/Knowledge"
@jasonroberts2249
@jasonroberts2249 5 жыл бұрын
So a tree is like a fractal. An infinite pattern essentially, representing many ‘independent’ yet inseparable things. The symbolism in the world we live in, and how it all fits in with the Christian symbolism, is so profound it boggles my mind...
@AndyJarman
@AndyJarman 4 жыл бұрын
A fractal is like a tree. The tree is a library of values and an embodiment of principles. One of them is the repetition of the fractal.
@michaeldavidnvitales
@michaeldavidnvitales 5 жыл бұрын
I can feel my heart getting enlarged and filled with thanksgiving hearing this message explained. Thank you.
@samwisegrangee
@samwisegrangee 6 жыл бұрын
I remember a Greek Orthodox professor saying that when the eyes of Adam and Eve were opened, they saw-not only their own nakedness but also-Christ on the cross. Turning their eyes from the cross, they then saw how all the world followed the cycle of cross-tomb-resurrection, and rather than participate in this cosmic order by embracing any cross or vulnerability themselves, they instead tried to flee this order and return to the non-being from which they came-if only through hiding themselves. I want to say he attributed that to Maximus, but after years of searching (and a bit of thesis research) I still can't track down which of the fathers came up with this gloss.
@JonathanPageau
@JonathanPageau 6 жыл бұрын
It would indeed be great to know where that came from. Thanks for the insight.
@samwisegrangee
@samwisegrangee 4 жыл бұрын
I believe it came from somewhere in Maximus the Confessor but the story also involved some Athonite elder. Exact source uncertain. 🤷🏻‍♂️
@allanlangat2813
@allanlangat2813 3 жыл бұрын
Profound insights those !
@philcowan5456
@philcowan5456 6 жыл бұрын
I'm re-watching this video on Good Friday. Nearly brings me to tears when Johnathan talks about the Crucifixion. Would love to have a video all about the Crucifixion and Resurrection around Easter time.
@tombanjo7392
@tombanjo7392 6 жыл бұрын
Perhaps the most concise and persuasive articulation of Scripture's pragmatic integrity. In a nutshell (from a tree of course, and in its season, speaking only for this squirrel). Excellent. Thank you. No questions.
@sunbro6998
@sunbro6998 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. I learned a lot. Still processing.
@CraigHinrichs
@CraigHinrichs 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome, I wish it were longer! Can't get enough of this.
@ronishchaudhary
@ronishchaudhary 2 жыл бұрын
This is still one of the most amazing videos to introduce people to symbolism! I share it everytime anyone asks about understanding symbolism. Simply incredible!!
@barbaraeng9923
@barbaraeng9923 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this presentation. I appreciate all your efforts in this project. Perhaps the absence of the fig tree in the Crucifixion is significant in that Christ is naked, totally vulnerable without any attempt to hide behind fig leaves like Adam and Eve. Rather he embraces his vulnerability "despising the shame".
@jessedphillips
@jessedphillips Жыл бұрын
So incredible that there is so much symbolism that can be drawn out of the reality of God in the flesh, his creation and order, and His preordained plan. Amazing! Thank you for your interpretation. I look forward to appreciating all this in eternity as well.
@davidgusquiloor2665
@davidgusquiloor2665 6 жыл бұрын
The moment you mentioned the crown blew my mind. He put on top what was at the bottom, just like he is the Alpha and Omega.
@MoeGar-e6e
@MoeGar-e6e 5 ай бұрын
This was the first video that got me hooked, watching it four years later, and I'm still find treasures.....more Treasures than the first time. Thank you Father God, using the Bro Pageau so mightily....❤😂
@eurodelano
@eurodelano 3 жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness! This was amazing! Thank you for explaining this. It’s Jan 10 and we still have our Christmas tree up. Jesus will climb that tree by Easter. Glory to God in the Highest!
@blakes5840
@blakes5840 2 ай бұрын
This is arguably the greatest Pageau video to date. Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen!
@Mathswart
@Mathswart 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for providing soulific edification. If I am allowed to propose suggestions for future content - what about Lord of the rings
@PresterMike
@PresterMike 6 жыл бұрын
Mathias Swartling yes lord of the rings would be awesome
@owlnyc666
@owlnyc666 2 жыл бұрын
I learn more about the person telling the story than the story itself. I am always amazed at the creativity of people retelling interpretive ability. 🤔
@jakeepler5218
@jakeepler5218 3 жыл бұрын
I’m someone who has been thinking and learning about both the Garden story and the Crucifixion for years. But this video has added so many things I didn’t see before. I was recently listening to Northrop Frye (a genius) speak bout the tree and the water. But you have gone further than even he did! God bless you and keep up the good work!
@sork3764
@sork3764 6 жыл бұрын
Clear. Useful. Lovely. Unspeakably dear that our ancestors spoke with and on symbols to crack open and conceal the structure of reality. You, as their presenter, are thanked by us, the receivers.
@Kinabus2
@Kinabus2 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! Thank you! I've never been disappointed watching your videos. God bless!
@tadawsey
@tadawsey 6 жыл бұрын
Whoaaaa. I've been reading the gospels and the creation story repeatedly this month, and this was incredibly illuminating. Thanks!
@ErloBrown1
@ErloBrown1 4 жыл бұрын
I started watching this video not thinking that I would even watch a minute. I watched all the way through. Such good stuff, thank you.
@mosesgarcia9443
@mosesgarcia9443 5 жыл бұрын
Mind is BLOWN AWAY..... PRAISED BE JESUS THE CHRIST....❤❤
@newkingjames1757
@newkingjames1757 6 жыл бұрын
Amazing video, as always. LOVE the idea of Paradise being on the top of a mountain with its rivers flowing down. Makes perfect sense!
@agentkhaine2204
@agentkhaine2204 6 жыл бұрын
As a person with a forensic-focused brain, this makes my head hurt, but in a good way. Thank you for helping expand how I think.
@EmilioSanderson
@EmilioSanderson 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. It's amazing how many authors and artists understood this symbolism and proceed to illustrate it in their craft over the centuries.
@lucaspedroso3351
@lucaspedroso3351 3 жыл бұрын
So edifying to learn it all, my worldview has been drastically impacted with these symbolic interpretations!
@duckdialectics8810
@duckdialectics8810 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant class sir, I would say that there is all that AND the amazing fact that Jesus was a carpenter, a shaper of trees... The way the story comes together is just beautiful
@MatthiasPendragon
@MatthiasPendragon 6 жыл бұрын
Not too obscure at all! I love this stuff. These videos on symbolism are quite literally changing how I look at the world.
@scrids
@scrids 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your videos on symbolism, Jonathan. For years, I have been enraptured by mythology and its symbolic significance, though I don't have quite the brain-power to tie these concepts together. As an Orthodox Christian and writer, I am sometimes hesitant to dive too deeply into the symbolic meaning of events in the Bible because I'm afraid of being labeled a heretic or just another liberal Christian who doesn't have enough faith to believe in the events, and so I'm attempting to "spiritualize" them.
@alfredosauce1
@alfredosauce1 6 жыл бұрын
This just blew my mind. Wow. Thank you Jonathan
@ruslpit2615
@ruslpit2615 Жыл бұрын
You are just unbelievable. You're so good at explaining all these things that are never explained properly
@dcoburn88
@dcoburn88 6 жыл бұрын
Not too obscure at all! Absolutely fascinating and you presented everything very well! I can't get enough of this. Keep them coming!
@uncompromisedfreedom8617
@uncompromisedfreedom8617 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Jonathan. I had to laugh, at the end of the video you talked about how you went on longer than you'd intended. As I could feel you wrapping up I(!) was thinking, "Oh man, he's wrapping. I'd love to hear more about ..." Keep up the great work, brother.
@christopherwhite8524
@christopherwhite8524 6 жыл бұрын
“No tree, it is said, can grow to heaven unless its roots reach down to hell.” -- C.G. Jung
@drrydog
@drrydog 4 жыл бұрын
thankfully, Jung was smart enough to know, the fundamentalist "Creationists" were idiots. Jung and Freud were fantastic minds.
@VanillaButtercreamFrosting
@VanillaButtercreamFrosting 3 жыл бұрын
This just keeps reminding me of a torus field with zero point being the center of creation, the base of the tree with the roots at the bottom. Awe inspiring.
@nathandoan3862
@nathandoan3862 6 жыл бұрын
Your best video yet. This stuff gets very deep
@almyaraujo4470
@almyaraujo4470 7 ай бұрын
Thankfull for have known professor's Jonathan Pageau content. Thank you, Professor. from Brazil.
@thefreerangehuman4804
@thefreerangehuman4804 6 жыл бұрын
This was beautiful and illuminating, thank you for making this.
@thecenterofinter-religious4220
@thecenterofinter-religious4220 Жыл бұрын
beautiful presentation. Thank you so much
@vicsummers9431
@vicsummers9431 3 жыл бұрын
I relisten to this video every now and then and I always hear something I could’ve sworn wasn’t in the video the previous times I watched. One of my favorite ones you’ve ever done! Your commentary on the parable of the sower is one of my favorites as well. Oh yeah, and the one on the symbolism of 666.
@brendantannam499
@brendantannam499 6 жыл бұрын
I remember reading Dante’s Purgatory and my surprise that the Garden of Eden was at the top of a mountain. When Dante and Virgil climbed back up to the surface of the earth from Hell, they were in the southern hemisphere which was portrayed (if I remember rightly) as a vast ocean because all land had been moved to the northern hemisphere. I can’t remember why. So they sail the ocean until they get to this island which consists of the different levels of Purgatory. I had no idea why Dante chose this scenario but your video makes me think that maybe he was drawing a picture of sinful humanity rising up from the chaos of the ocean to be cleansed as they worked their way back to the type of relationship Adam had enjoyed with God before the Fall.
@cherylketcherside2459
@cherylketcherside2459 4 ай бұрын
This was so good! The mystery and symbology has been kind of confusing but you made this video so clear! Thank you.
@Hugex97
@Hugex97 11 ай бұрын
I am so grateful for mr Peterson, not only for what he's done, but because on exodus he introduced me to you. Big fan Dr. Pageau! I hope my symbolic analysis can reach the quality of your's someday.
@vicsummers9431
@vicsummers9431 2 жыл бұрын
I must have watched this particular video thirty times or more. Each time I hear something a didn’t hear before.
@SteelSongbird
@SteelSongbird 4 жыл бұрын
Just beautiful interpretation and study. Thank you, kindly. This rich description of the Garden just gave me a sweet creative idea....
@krishnan042
@krishnan042 9 ай бұрын
Hey Jonathan. Your's is the best ever explanation I ever came across in decades.
@amyannwowk2922
@amyannwowk2922 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Jonathan! May God grant you many blessed years!
@markocms
@markocms 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome eye opening video Jonathan. Looking forward to many more.
@artemkarnaukh
@artemkarnaukh 3 жыл бұрын
Man... that was ... something. This whole story is far more mysterious than I have ever thought.
@funnyredditdaily777
@funnyredditdaily777 Жыл бұрын
Those who become like children will know the kingdom: so children are vulnerable, and fearlesss. In eden they were vulnerable at first ...
@marcelorivera199811
@marcelorivera199811 6 жыл бұрын
Do you think that you can make a video on the symbolism of snakes in Christianity?
@kekistanipatriot1644
@kekistanipatriot1644 6 жыл бұрын
"In Egyptian mythology, the tree is threatened by the snake god Apophis, god of the underworld and symbol of the forces of chaos, but is protected by the lioness/cat goddess Bast, lower Egypt’s equivalent of upper Egypt’s Hathor." scalambra.wordpress.com/2013/06/15/the-tree-of-life-in-ancient-egypt/
@JonathanPageau
@JonathanPageau 6 жыл бұрын
I have written an article on this. www.orthodoxartsjournal.org/the-serpents-of-orthodoxy/
@jakekershaw4882
@jakekershaw4882 6 жыл бұрын
+Jonathan Pageau What percentage of the gospels and Acts would you believe is historical? I recently began browsing Ancient Faith website and it seems to vary from author to author. Or is there an orthodox statement that lays out the early beliefs? Sorry, former Mennonite here trying to grasp some completely foreign concepts. Btw, I enjoy your videos. You alone (and JBP) have saved me from agnostic atheism. I can tell you've thought things thru so I been fascinated with your work.
@kekistanipatriot1644
@kekistanipatriot1644 6 жыл бұрын
"The shiftiness, the double sided aspect of the serpent symbol appears also in the story of the bronze serpent on several levels. The Israelites had been plagued by serpents, and to save them from the poisonous bites, God told Moses to make a bronze serpent and to put it on a staff. " www.orthodoxartsjournal.org/the-serpents-of-orthodoxy/ The Staff of Osiris is what it is called. And many claim it has to do with the pineal gland The Double-sided aspect of the serpent is Osiris and Isis Bishop Vladimir Sokolovsky has in his hand the Staff of Osiris. It is connected to the "Caduceus of Thoth" who is the father of the EIGHT. mynzahosiris.wordpress.com/2015/07/10/staff-of-osiris-kundalini-uraeus/ dwellersthreshold.wordpress.com/2015/03/31/osiris-rem-nebket-the-staffs-of-osiris/ www.spiritmythos.org/holy/HR/caduceus.html " “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,” (John 3:13-15)" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apep abemkemet.blogspot.com/2012/06/snakes-of-duat.html "Finally one of the most, if not the most, important of the numerous sources from which the departed Pharaoh hoped to draw his sustenance in the realm of Re was the tree of life in the mysterious isle in the midst of the Field of Offerings, in search of which he sets out in company with the Morning Star. The Morning Star is a gorgeous green falcon, a Solar divinity, identified with "Horus of Dewat." He has four faces, corresponding to the four Horuses of the East, with whom he is doubtless also identified. 2 We find him standing in the bow of his celestial barque of seven hundred and seventy cubits in length, and there the voice addresses him: "Take thou this king Pepi with thee in the cabin of thy boat. . . . Thou takest this thy favorite harpoon, thy STAFF which ⌈pierces⌉ the canals, whose points are the rays of the sun, whose barbs are the claws of Mafdet. King Pepi cuts off therewith the heads of the adversaries, dwelling in the Field of Offerings, when he has descended to the sea. Bow thy head, decline thy arms, O Sea! The children of Nut are these (Pepi and the Morning Star) who have descended to thee, wearing their garlands on their heads, wearing their garlands at their throats." Here the homage of the sea is claimed because Pepi and the Morning Star are bent upon a beneficent errand for Isis and Horus. 1 The story then proceeds: "This king Pepi opened his path like the fowlers, he exchanged greetings with the lords of the kas, he went to the great isle in the midst of the Field of Offerings over which the gods make the swallows fly. The swallows are the Imperishable Stars. They give to this king Pepi this tree of life, whereof they live, that ye (Pepi and the Morning Star) may at the same time live thereof." Development of Religion and Thought in Ancient Egypt, by James Henry Breasted, [1912], at sacred-texts.com www.sacred-texts.com/egy/rtae/rtae08.htm
@jagpro91
@jagpro91 6 жыл бұрын
"Snakes........ why did there have to be snakes?"
@BaronVonBlair
@BaronVonBlair 6 жыл бұрын
Powerful Pageau
@robertpeak3335
@robertpeak3335 2 жыл бұрын
moved to comment because hearing the crown of thorns purpose scratched the surface and now Iam a step nearer to being enlightened. Many thanks.......
@tjjordan8994
@tjjordan8994 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Mr. Pageau, for sharing your knowledge.
@betweenearthandsky4091
@betweenearthandsky4091 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, such a mind-blowing interpretation! Drank all of it like a clear stream~
@watrewks
@watrewks 5 жыл бұрын
Bro I've been thinking about the symbolism of trees and the Garden of Eden for months now and you've explained everything for me and connected everything neatly together
@alkistis-irenewechsler1270
@alkistis-irenewechsler1270 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! I will have to return to this more and more times!
@azman8927
@azman8927 6 жыл бұрын
Love it!I would love to hear a symbolic interpretation of Jesus walking on water and Peter attempting to do the same.The chaos of the water/ocean, the chaos of the storm, Jesus walking on chaos and ordering chaos.Just from my shallow understanding of the symbolism in the story, I can see such depth and meaning in it.
@JonathanPageau
@JonathanPageau 6 жыл бұрын
In the meantime, I have written an article about this. www.orthodoxartsjournal.org/icon-carving-of-christ-pulling-st-peter-from-the-water/
@McRingil
@McRingil 6 жыл бұрын
Could listen to you for hours.
@tamiwilson7607
@tamiwilson7607 5 жыл бұрын
Well done! I have been blessed by God to show me these things in the Bible plus him leading me to find the answers. America is the Paradise. We are the Land that holds everything together!!! God has blessed us beyond what any of us deserves. That’s why we must love our Nation! She is everything to Us & the World!!! 😘
@juliagriffiths3291
@juliagriffiths3291 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing. Going embroider this. Thank you.
@VACatholic
@VACatholic 6 жыл бұрын
Just wow Jonathan. This is incredible. Absolutely incredible. Pontius Pilate ate from the Tree of Good and Evil and cast us out of the garden once more. Whoever wrote these stories must have been super geniuses. This is so incredible I haven't even processed all of it. It's absolutely incredible. Thank you so much for this.
@VACatholic
@VACatholic 6 жыл бұрын
From Wiki: In all gospel accounts, Pilate is reluctant to condemn Jesus, but is eventually forced to give in when the crowd becomes unruly and the Jewish leaders remind him that Jesus' claim to be king is a challenge to Roman rule and to the Roman deification of Caesar. Roman magistrates had wide discretion in executing their tasks, and some readers[who?] question whether Pilate would have been so captive to the demands of the crowd. Pilate was later recalled to Rome for his harsh treatment of the Jews.[27][28] The tree of Good and Evil is the border between order and chaos The story literally embodies the sentiment of them saying that the world was not ready to live in harmony between order and chaos. That people were still too chaotic to achieve Eden. That in eating from the tree of Good and Evil they'd actually attained some good. But they were still too evil. That is, they had attained some measure of order, some measure of control over their subconsciousness, over their lives. Some measure of control over their baser instincts and had started to be able to really project themselves out on to the world. He's then demonstrating that they'd not eaten enough from the tree. One taste was not enough. You need to eat more. He's literally saying there's not enough order. Neither in ourselves, nor in our societies. He's literally demonstrating that by having the chaotic mob tell him to kill the Tree of Life. To cast it away when it was presented to them again, for they were not yet ready, and then... "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.". I mean wow. That's pretty incredible? I don't even know what to think of this.
@juggy666
@juggy666 6 жыл бұрын
Very thought invoking, bringing a lot of ideas into focus and I liked the threads of continuity!!!
@brady157
@brady157 6 жыл бұрын
I think certain types of people have a need for the sublime and others have a need for the literal or practical. As a former atheist I always had the idea the literal was the truest and religion was claims of the literal. And that works for the more literal minded people, they see science and materialism as the best tool for their lives, but I've always been hungry for the sublime and which is I found new age stuff appealing in my teens. I've since recently discovered the sublime in christiananity and western culture as a whole and I must say I'm saddend I was never sold the sublime aspect of both as a kid, I feel robbed.
@soare5182
@soare5182 2 жыл бұрын
Wow... amazing. I love every part of it. Thanks
@jpb2636
@jpb2636 4 ай бұрын
Hey Jonathan, I was listening to this very interesting meditation on how the crusifixion contained all the elements of the garden of eden. You mentioned the cross being 2 trees and the thorn crown being the fourth tree. I realized that the vig-tree is also there. As I recall the soldiers were gambling the undercloths of christ underneath the cross. Fascinating how your symbolic explanations are so readily extendible and applicable. Regards.
@kisslena
@kisslena 5 жыл бұрын
This great commentary was released weeks before my younger brother Trey died on February 19, 2018. After his death I was drawn to the symbol of the World Tree or Tree of Life. I’ve been wearing a Tree pendant ever since. I’m not fully clear why I was spiritually connected to this symbol. What you’ve taught in this video has been very enlightening. 😘
@suburke5332
@suburke5332 3 жыл бұрын
Trey is near enough Tree.
@HumanDignity10
@HumanDignity10 Жыл бұрын
This was excellent, thank you! More like this please.
@DanaJumper
@DanaJumper 6 жыл бұрын
The end of your video, where you mention the river of life and the tree of life whose leaves are for the healing of the nations, could have gone on for even more. Father, Son and Holy Spirit from the beginning to the end, or rather, the new beginning. Beautiful. Thank you.
@JonathanPageau
@JonathanPageau 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, i was banking on keeping this under 30 minutes. Food for more videos.
@johnsuper8022
@johnsuper8022 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Jonathan!
@davidg4239
@davidg4239 6 жыл бұрын
Amazing video thanks Jonathan! Just blew my mind at the end with Christ encompassing all the elements.
@vakhogulua508
@vakhogulua508 6 жыл бұрын
Just please, don't stop making videos!!!
@Freiheit1232
@Freiheit1232 Жыл бұрын
Please keep making more like this. I’ve gained so much from listening to you.
@candacellias
@candacellias 4 жыл бұрын
MY MIND IS BLOWN you are incredible thank you
@essivallbacka3213
@essivallbacka3213 6 жыл бұрын
I'm a new subscriber and I really like and admire your work on this channel. Blessings to you and your family. Love from Finland!
@mountainsno
@mountainsno 9 ай бұрын
Awesome. Not too much for me. I was blessed being brought up to read the Bible. From the cradle. Fascinating. Thank you so much. PS. really appreciated your input on the Exodus story with the panel.
@MadFrenzy582
@MadFrenzy582 6 жыл бұрын
wow. i love how you brought it all together in the end. beautifully done.
@foxdenham
@foxdenham 3 ай бұрын
That was wonderful Jonathan. Thanks bro.
@corettaha7855
@corettaha7855 4 жыл бұрын
Belated thanks to Shane Patton, for suggesting a topic I didn’t know I would find so intriguing. Well-played, son.
@WTFSt0n3d
@WTFSt0n3d 6 жыл бұрын
What I'm always thinking about. Isn't the cross some kind of a dead tree and the tree Judas hangs himself is alive. I find that inversion somehow interesting. any thoughts on that?
@JonathanPageau
@JonathanPageau 6 жыл бұрын
Hadn't thought of that. Will have to think about it.
@adamhunter5077
@adamhunter5077 6 жыл бұрын
Jonathan Pageau Could you possibly do a review of the new movie Hostiles I found that it shared alot of parallels with the story of Joseph from lecture 14 of Jordan Peterson's bible series. Jordan also makes points in the lecture about the symbolism of the cross that really add more layers to this video. I have been thinking for a few months about the connection between the garden and the cross myself kinda weird. lol Is their any connection between the fig tree from the garden and the tree Judas hung himself from? Also you make the point of the garden on a mountain and the higher up they went the closer they became to God himself but once the disobeyed they moved further down from God. Figurative and literally. Example like how Moses was on the lowest point then went up the mountain to receive the Ten Commandments Directly from God. So it's almost like he received from the tree of Good and evil. It was the shaping of our base for morality. Another way to look at the mountain is how you able to see all things below it that strech for miles amd miles. The higher up the more aware and the lower you go your view is vary narrowed. Kinda how hard it is to truly understand how God sees the world considering we have different vantage points on top of understanding our own morality. I have a few more ideas that I'm not sure how to interpret them but I haven't written far too much already. Thank you again for an awesome video. Sincerely, Adam
@victormatheusvictor8554
@victormatheusvictor8554 6 жыл бұрын
Perhaps it references "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit." in John 12:24.
@carlh.h.2242
@carlh.h.2242 Жыл бұрын
Ok, I thought I was jaded. You blew my mind, in a beautiful way.
@TiroDvD
@TiroDvD Жыл бұрын
The word in Genesis is "lingum", not "arbor". It means "wood" but also can mean "tree" just as in English we can say "the wood" or "the woods" for forest. The antiphon for Good Friday in the RCC is "Behold the wood [lingum] upon which hung the salvation of the world." All the parallels of the Cross of Calvary with the Tree of Life are intentional.
@loriturner609
@loriturner609 3 жыл бұрын
So beautiful!
@TheRsmits
@TheRsmits 6 жыл бұрын
I was inspired by an N. T. Wright lecture to look up the tree of virtue and the same day I'm seeing it at 2:00 in this great video.
@windyday8598
@windyday8598 3 жыл бұрын
all of that was summed up in absolute beauty. the glory of the cross.
@MrRmann1234
@MrRmann1234 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting just one point I'd like to make. The "cube" mentioned at the end would be more consistent with the symbolism if you replaced it with a ziggurat (using the same dimensions of course). A ziggurat as the symbolic mountain completes the pattern.
@annoelzinga791
@annoelzinga791 Жыл бұрын
This blew my mind and touched my heart
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