LeBron James is "Undoubtedly" Greater than Kobe Bryant... because he'd be better with Shaq

[@jonnyarnett]

Simple question… Who does better in their first 8 years with Shaq, Kobe or LeBron? Check out Dom’s video here to listen to his argument in full… kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYO2aomeic2Bjck

[@gamergod3798]

I honestly think that Kobe would have been better. the names don't matter, it's the playstyles. Most arguments would come from things beyond the court. "Lebron wouldn't have been selfish" ect. Considering how some wins came down to a closer, lebron couldn't do that. Especially a young lebron.

[@DustyThePlotagonist]

Tough choice… 🤔

[@revenge8215]

Didn’t he play with Shaq already? Good take 🚮🗑️

[@Greidyelcuh]

⁠@@revenge8215bro Shaq was near the end of his career

[@Intr0vertical]

@@revenge8215 sped response

[@Bigguy5588]

Lebron literally made most of his big man teammates turn into shooters like love and bosh because he needs more space in the paint.

[@Greidyelcuh]

Well love was already a good shooter but that’s true they roles changed when they were with LeBron

[@mikeprolas2027]

@@Greidyelcuh i mean he literally took away basically the best part of these players' game

[@The4ceMan]

They were already shooters that played in the perimeter. And yes their roles changed. They played with players that were better than them on the team they played on. I never understood why people bring that up like it has any real value.

[@andrewcook1246]

Bosh was a finesse player not the type to back you down in the paint. Neither was Love. Matter of fact both of those big men never shot 50% from the field.

[@The4ceMan]

@ thank u 🙏 tell him again

[@Taj_Rahine]

I love the fact that he is your homie and you can make a respectable counter argument video based on one of his videos. This is real basketball convo.

[@waff6ix]

THIS IS WHY I WISH WE GOT A KOBE VS BRON FINALS MATCHUP💯

[@younglove3362]

Just so you can rub an unfair match up win in the LeBron lovers face?

[@thsu8]

We would have but LeBron quit in the 09 and 10 East playoffs to avoid a goat-staining finals loss to Kobe's Lakers. LBJ is the most calculated player in NBA history. He made sure he put up stats (38/8/8 as his 66-16 Cavs choked to Dwight Howard's 59-23 Magic) while failing to close out defensively on approximately 178 Rashard Lewis 3's in the 2009 ECF. In 2010, the Cavs were the overall #1 seed (62-20) for the second straight year. Once Kobe's Lakers took control vs. Denver in the WCF, LeBron quit in 3 straight games as the Cavs lost in 6 to Boston after being up 2-1. After Kobe's Lakers won back to back rings, LeBron teamed up with two other top 5 picks from his own draft class to beat Kobe. Dwyane Wade admitted a few months ago on the Skweek Show that he and LeBron teamed up to beat Kobe. LeBron started the superteam era because he knew he couldn't beat Kobe in the Finals. Now, Klutch sports and Rich Paul have brainwashed the basketball media into believing the goat debate is LBJ vs. MJ.

[@rockysalvatore435]

LeBron couldn't get out of Kobe West

[@endymakiesse1824]

​@@thsu8Mo Williams, LeBron's "All-Star" 2nd option, shot 37% in the 2009 ECF. Not to mention Orlando was the best defensive team itl and were shooting the lights out from 3. You are the type of fan to say "Everything is LeBron's fault" while ignoring everything else. LeBron wasn't great in the 2007 Finals yet he was still the best player on his team, so what does that tell you about his team? Also Bron made it to 8 straight finals after 2010 while Kobe didnt fill up his end of the bargain. Kobe only averaged 23 against the Mavs and got SWEPT. Then v OKC, he averaged 31 on 26 shots a game including 11% from 3 and a TS% of 51.5. Why do fans like you always think LeBron is at fault for every single loss while Kobe gets a pass🤦‍♂️

[@HorizonOfHope]

It was a certainty in 2009 until Dwight Howard had a career best year. I mean, good for him, and he is so often overlooked as a legit MVP level start for those years but still... I wish we had seen it.

[@su1-tin652]

Nah, I think Kob and The Diesel are better duo as is 🤌👌

[@revenge8215]

Yk how the bron jock sniffers are bro, tough video to see posted but what we gonna do?

[@chrisbarbera7792]

I agree they are a better duo but I think like Johnny said people believe lebron would be better with shaq because he’s a better player than Kobe which is absolutely true.

[@Intr0vertical]

@@revenge8215 oh brother how childish are you

[@the_Sage71]

Be serious please. Wade and Old fat Shaq did what Kobe and Shaq couldn't do. They beat the Detroit Pistons. Look at Flash's stats compared to to the Dumpster fire that was Kobe Bryant in the 2004 finals.

[@younglove3362]

@the_Sage71 Shaq in 05 was still in his prime. Don't compare Cleveland Shaq to Miami. You're just exposing yourself as a casual.

[@jolli4116]

LeBron and Shaq would not even be in the championship. LeBron would have a hard time with that triangle offense. He plays his way and there’s no other way.

[@Davivd2]

The kind of thing that Kobe gets put down for.

[@d_classified6433]

🎯

[@rogelioatempa1115]

That's literally what Kobe does lmao

[@John6-40]

Good point. I also said in another comment that Shaq WAS LeBron. They kicked it to Shaq in the paint, and if Shaq was getting tripled, he'd kick to wide open shooters. That whole dynamic is blown in the LeBron offense.

[@rockysalvatore435]

​@@Davivd2Kobe always did what they wanted him to while they called him egotistical and ball hog simply bc he didn't chill w his unprofessional vets LMAO 😂😂. They so insecure of his genuine behavior. Look up any Robert Sally short on Kobe

[@John6-40]

Sigh...The reason Shaq and Kobe worked so well is because Shaq WAS LeBron. They kicked the ball inside to big fella, and Shaq either dominated or kicked out to open shooters. That dynamic is blown with LeBron in place of Kobe. Plus we all know LeBron wasn't taking over in crunch time like Kobe was. EDIT: Just watched the video and Johnny said the same thing lol.

[@jjohnson4013]

I agree Kobe was clutch led the Lakers in 4thq points made all his free thorw was a better defender

[@zzz.tyrone]

lebron has the highest 4th quarter ppg. ion like how he runs everything but he is without a shadow of doubt far better than kobe

[@John6-40]

​@@zzz.tyroneThis just isn't true.

[@peacemaker4829]

​@@John6-40 If I remember correctly Kobe shot under 40% in the clutch. Bron was able to take over games in the clutch. Plus Bron never had a coach like Phil. That duo alone would've been very interesting. Especially after coaching MJ he would've had tons of great things to teach Bron

[@Patric_Miny]

​@John6-40 It literally is, statistically speaking bron is more clutch than kobe in practically any scenario.

[@davis2k1234]

Career stats Shaq- 23PPG 10Rebs 2Assist 2Blocks 58%FG AD-24PPG 10Rebs 2Assist 2Blocks 53%FG can hit 3pts and FTs and guard perimeter Another topic should be what would Kobe have done if he had AD later in his career??

[@Nuthinnull]

4 rings with Davis and 3 with the Wade/Bosh Heat, Kobe is a way better ceiling raiser than LeBron.

[@eg7167]

nothing. kobe injured his achilles.if he didnt do anything with pau dwight and nash he wont do anything with AD

[@BooperDooper-qb2nd]

​@@eg7167 come on man nash was injury prone, pau gasol was nowhere in his 2000s mode. It's just kobe where dwight was injured always better yet AD was in his prime so kobe will win more with AD

[@eg7167]

@@BooperDooper-qb2nd whatchu talking about. AD was injury prone as well. he was only healthy this past few seasons. tell me how kobe was gonna win in 2021 when AD went down against the suns? and by this time kobe was geriatric. 2022 AD was injured a significant period during the season also which made them miss the playoffs.

[@davis2k1234]

@@eg7167 Nash played half the season was washed up retired after season Gasol played half the season avg 12PPG and DHoward was fresh of back surgery That’s like saying Lebron missed playoffs with AD Melo and Westbrook Rondo DHoward in 2022 he wouldn’t do anything with Shaq which Lebron did play with Shaq in real life and did do nothing also

[@Black_Guy]

It makes me laugh that people believe Lebron has so little ego that he would be okay playing second fiddle to Shaq. The same man with "chosen one" on his back. The same man who abandoned Cleveland because he needed rings for his legacy. The same man who abandoned Miami for the second super team for his legacy. The same man who plays secret GM and gets his players traded. The man who calls himself the GOAT. The man constantly throwing his teammates under the bus. The man who brought his son the the NBA for his own vanity. Yeah, this man would be okay being thought of as a second fiddle.

[@facelessandnameless]

Couldn’t have said it better! 👏

[@John6-40]

The man who sits out defense so he can save energy to inflate his offensive stats.

[@rogelioatempa1115]

LeBron literally tried to let DWade be the main guy in 2011 lol

[@econarticles]

​@@rogelioatempa1115Lebron didn't show up for a finals game. He was a heavy weight for Wade to carry.

[@rockysalvatore435]

​@@John6-40bro you better say that about curry lol. LeBron been playing defense since 23 to now. 22 and before questionable

[@Keepit100Dre]

Lebron would not have won with Shaq. Lebron could not shoot especially early on in his career. He also cannot still play off ball well and Lebron shoots 37 percent outside of 3 feet for his career. Lebron does not play well when the offense isn't run through him. Just putting players together doesn't mean you would win. Russ played well with everyone except Lebron because of his play style.

[@olajawanmagee768]

Russ just seems like he just forgot how to play basketball

[@Keepit100Dre]

@@olajawanmagee768 not at all. Russ in games Lebron played averaged 14 and under 40 percent from the field, without Lebron he shot 48 percent and averaged 22 that same season. Lebron's style of play being super ball dominant and every aspect of the offense needing to run through him makes players worse. Russ is a PG, he's supposed to have the ball in his hands.

[@ivblizzard3616]

@@Keepit100Dre this is complete delusion though , Westbrook was choking with Durant , George and anyone ... also LeBron was not as bad of a shooter as people try to say , Kobe's first 5-6 years were not good either from a shooting standpoint

[@Keepit100Dre]

@ ​​⁠it’s thanksgiving so I’m going to assume you’re drunk. Russ wasn’t able to win where he went, but you sound dumb saying he didn’t play well. He was a good player at every stop except LA. And Kobe was very good at shooting his first 8 years. Are you drunk? Relative to league average at the time Kobe was one of the most efficient guards in the league. He had a higher TS percent during the 2000s and a higher scoring average than Lebron.

[@TheDudeAbides1998]

@@ivblizzard3616 Go read the stat sheet of the shooting section again distance per feet. Go look at lebron's percentages outside of 0 to 3 feet. In the regular season it's 37.5%, in the playoffs it's 35.9%! You are delusional. Kobe had a much larger bag in his offensive game than Lebron ever had, even in his younger years. Did yous miss what the guy said in the video of Kobe's mid range percentage? 41.8% in the regular season and 43.1% in the playoffs. Another point, lebron can't be coached. Never seen him memorize a set play drawn up the coach. Everything is him dominating the ball. Either driving to the rim or kicking it out. Would Lebron allow Shaq to outshine him?

[@melvynsngltn27]

Kobe/Shaq were a dynamic duo. LeBron and Shaq in his prime would of been interesting.

[@jmgonzales7701]

Tbh i feel Like a better hypothetical team up would be if what if lebron and kobe teamed up. Kobe is a gunner and lebron is more of a pass first kind of guy, Lebron would go like a freak train in the first 3 quarters then kobe ice the game at the 4th.

[@DScott-nk1lo]

Imagine if Kobe had a prime Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh and played an old Mavs team

[@Anonymous-ux8ku]

kobe got swept coming off a repeat by that same mavs team bro. miss me with that

[@BeerAndJointsAllDay]

@@Anonymous-ux8ku he didn't have PRIME DWAYNE FRIKIN WADE on the Lakers!

[@Anonymous-ux8ku]

@@BeerAndJointsAllDay his team went to 3 straight finals before the sweep so i don't wanna hear it.

[@BeerAndJointsAllDay]

​@@Anonymous-ux8ku And when was the last time LeBum went to even back to back Finals in the West? He hasn't even been to ONE so far with the Lakers😂🤣

[@theSANDMAN366]

​@@Anonymous-ux8kuput Kobe on that 2011 Heat team and LeChoke on the 2011 Lakers, the Lakers lose in the 1st rd out West while Kobe would be the one sweepin Dallas, Bronsexual fan girl

[@Yinon776]

Video idea: how different would history be if Ray Allen missed the shot?

[@DustyThePlotagonist]

LeBron would likely leave the Heat earlier.

[@mrjermz5406]

Same cpuld be said for Paxson, Horry, Kerr, Fisher, etc. All the greats have rings from shots made by teammates.

[@nathaneraas7472]

What if Jordan had Shaq as a rookie, wilt had Jordan.....

[@jakeequality8065]

​​@@mrjermz5406the difference is if Kerr or Paxson missed it wouldn't of lost the game fool...also they get a shot off of a MJ choke job like Ray did when LeBron shot that brick😂

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

@@jakeequality8065 They have multiple game winning shots. What are you talking about?

[@fortnitejake850]

Steph Curry with Prime Shaq clears all 😤

[@smooth-handle]

🧢

[@sinayezulu9928]

I see no lies told here

[@sinayezulu9928]

​@@smooth-handleit's not... It's basically the best inside the arc + the best outside the arc... The best combo

[@delconagher12]

No defense. Kobe locked perimeter players.

[@jaydag24]

@@fortnitejake850 Imagine trying to gameplan against that.

[@Davivd2]

There are a lot of NBA fans out there that look at players like they have an NBA 2k rating. They don't understand the nuance and fit of a player. This is a great video for a lot of NBA fans to see. I can't see Lebron playing in the triangle offense.

[@rockysalvatore435]

I'm kinda ok w it so ppl realize that all time greats Aren't miles ahead of their peers and rivals. Timmy vs kg being the best argument and accolades destroying unlucky players legacies

[@jaketerpening3284]

Aight, the nets are a terrible example of a super team not working. They didn't work because of health, not fit. And they honestly almost beat the champs anyway with just KD.

[@antiarezzo7630]

Yea idk what he's talking about.when they all were on floor they went 16-1

[@indmslikedeez8005]

Yeah it was a terrible example. And unlike bron’s superteams, the nets actually fit and no one had to change their game at all to play alongside each other, and 2 of the 3 stars(kd and kyrie) could play on and off the ball. The only problem with that team was their defense, and even that wasn’t really a problem because they could just outscore you

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

Exactly

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

@@indmslikedeez8005 Bron barely had one superteam

[@Yinon776]

And also because of the vaccine mandate

[@LoganKerr-d9k]

Kobe Bryant is the 2nd best player ever just cause LeBron has scored alot doesn't mean he's good it just means he's a old man who knows how to score

[@RVered]

LBJ fans often claim he'd have been a better fit alongside Shaq because he's an elite floor general/distributor, but that is factually incorrect. His TOV to AST ratio, TOV from bad passes to TOV from lost balls ratio, and TOV% (turnovers per 100 possessions) are comparable to some other ball-dominant players not known as elite distributors. For example, they're virtually identical to Ja Morant's, along with the same average of assists per game. Not to mention, the Lakers ran the legendary triangle offense where a high-usage distributor isn't advantageous. Edit: To the lazy people unwilling to check Basketball Ref, the first two stats are under the Play-By-Play section.

[@jps0583]

Bro where r u getting these stats from…there is literally no stat that tracks TO from bad passes or lost balls ratio…that’s literally not a thing

[@grung910]

u a bum

[@troliskimosko]

You literally made up two of those stats lol

[@dikarilee4975]

False and 31 dumbasses listened and like that stupid shit

[@troliskimosko]

Kobe has had a worst assist to turnover ratio than Lebron for his entire career. His is even worse than Harden’s.

[@TruSteve_92]

Who is gonna close the games in the clutch and freethrow line?

[@calebvanberkom5571]

We don't need to close a game from the free throw line when it's already a blowout

[@killablackmambakbm7593]

​@@calebvanberkom5571a 51% and 73% FT shooter hurts the team. Bron wasn't an elite 2 way player til year 6. Kobe was that in year 4. Slower paced game and handchecking makes thing harder. Bron. Teams could build a wall and minimize them unless they had a lot of shooters which changes the whole dynamic of the team.

[@rogelioatempa1115]

​@@killablackmambakbm7593LeBron was elite on defense by year 2 lol on top of that LeBron was one of the best clutch players by 2006. All LeBron and Shaq would have needed to win would be a couple of key pieces.

[@killablackmambakbm7593]

@rogelioatempa1115 Bron didn't make an all nba defensive team until year 6. What are you talking about? He only made 5 his entire 21 year career. You don't have to get on here and lie

[@tkh525]

@@killablackmambakbm7593they stay lying about brons D.

[@awesomereviews1561]

You forgot that LBJ is nowhere near as good in the clutch as Kobe. And Kobe often closed games for the Lakers.

[@jjohnson4013]

Was a better defender while also led the Lakers in steals

[@Anonymous-ux8ku]

statistically false

[@DiosDivine]

Stats proves this is false. Stop it

[@ktapreswreckd921v9]

Great point.

[@ivblizzard3616]

but this isn't even true ... Horry and even fisher were closing the games

[@ChanBoogie310]

The thing is Bron and Shaq would have needed three 3 and Ds around and a decent enough bench because they both are paint heavy and that don’t normally go together well with your two best players having similar strengths and weaknesses.

[@chrisbarbera7792]

That’s exactly what those threepeat lakers had

[@andrewcook1246]

Lakers had a lot of that during their runs lol. Rice, Horry, etc.

[@akwesirobinson1710]

Facts and wade worked with shaq and he played exactly like a smaller bron anyway so it would work and the laker had shooter they had Derrick fisher horry rice and etc

[@jolli4116]

SHAQ & BRON would be needing KOBE to win.

[@younglove3362]

No just the Lakers, the Magic too. Shaq plays with shooters surrounding him. If he didn't then the hack a Shaq would render Shaq useless.

[@larsp8665]

Happy thanksgiving Jonny to you and yours. We appreciate your videos and knowledge.

[@Dusty-t1p]

Young Lebron would have bent the knee to Shaq. Bro Lebron could have slashed dished to Shaq or shooters game could have been much easier for him with all the attention on Shaq…would Shaq n Lebron have won 3 out of 8? Who knows maybe not but Lebron even in 2018 had a better career than Kobe. In Kobe back to back as Alpha 09-10 Kobe Gasol Odom Bynum Ariza/Artest everyone of those 5 players were better than Mo Williams yet Bron s Cavs had better regular season records. 4 mvps 4 rings 4 finals rings 1 scoring title 1 assist title will always be better than 1 mvp 5 rings 2 finals mvp 2 scoring titles how Kobe lead league in shot attempts 6 or 7 times and be 2 nd in attempts how many ever times and only win 2 scoring titles?

[@cadecrusader]

Thank you Jonny! Hope you and Dom do a collaboration video soon! 🙂

[@hardwoodgems]

Dom is my favorite NBA KZbin storyteller. I consider you more of a historian, and I love that you upload more. Both are great!

[@DIXIE-DEAN]

But do you say Lebron when you throw rubbish into the bin?

[@andrewcook1246]

I say Kobe cause I know I'm a miss a lot

[@DIXIE-DEAN]

@andrewcook1246 🤣🤣

[@younglove3362]

@andrewcook1246 Slick, almost went over my head.

[@LePuffyRamonCombsThe1st]

​@@andrewcook1246I say lebron when I throw a turnover.

[@jolli4116]

I say LEBRON when I flop!

[@zmo1ndone502]

Lbron is def better than Kobe. Sorry Kobe fans...I love Kobe but Lebron is always in the discussion with MJ for a reason

[@lostcause69420]

LeBron and Shaq would definitely need to be surrounded by great shooters to be as dominate as Kobe and Shaq were. Only Jordan and Olajuwon would've been a more dominate duo than Kobe and Shaq if the 1984 draft would've worked out like that.

[@rockysalvatore435]

My couldn't shoot lol. Kobe's West was also better. Mj and akeem wouldn't fit culturally

[@lostcause69420]

@rockysalvatore435 Both Olajuwon and Jordan could make free throws and shoot great mid range.

[@legendarywiimaster]

The Lakers had those

[@Gshellshock]

Prime LBJ had Wade and Bosh and was able to win only two. Later on Kobe won two without a super team. That Shaq „what if” is ridiculous. Kobe won more because he was a tougher character.

[@rockysalvatore435]

You forgot to mention in the toughest conference ever vs the weakest conference ever bhai. It's not even close. Kobe West was always healthy and prime. GS West wasn't close. Lbj East combined w that West can't touch Kobe's West

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

That’s just dishonest. Wade and Bosh weren’t even making a whole “superteam” really by the point of 2013, but at the very least, in 2014, where it was mostly LeBron doing everything. They weren’t a better overall team than the Heat, but it’s just dishonest to say they weren’t great, especially in 2010

[@aaronrooks2703]

⁠@@Jonathan-A.C.what happen in 2011 when the Heat had a chance to win a championship

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

@@aaronrooks2703 I know that was his fault. But at the same point in time, it’s also true that one of those four years was with far less than a superteam

[@aaronrooks2703]

@@Jonathan-A.C. How were they not a superteam. You contradicted yourself

[@andrewrettig319]

What about Kobe and LeBron together? That could work

[@mikeprolas2027]

i remember i saw therealmindcrime react to that dom2k vid and i didnt agree with most of it and have said that lebron and shaq wouldnt have been as good as kobe and shaq simply put lebron and shaq are same type of player in the sense that in first three quarters they are great but in the fourth they need a closer like they both had wade at one point shaq had kobe and lebron had kyrie

[@mannymoon877]

Pretty sure Dom was talkin about Bron and Shaq maximizing their potential because they wouldn’t clash on and off the court, I don’t think he was saying BronxShaq is literally a greater duo than KobexShaq or that their games compliment each other more. As great as they were, the Kobe Shaq duo didn’t maximize their potential. Whereas that’s less likely to be a problem with Bron. I think that was the point in his video from back then if I remember correctly

[@killablackmambakbm7593]

The only way that works is if Bron is older. Shaq if he is older ego wouldn't allow Bron to flourish. Bron game is no suited for the triangle either . Less spacing and less usage too. . Playing with shaq doesn't allow easy assists. When shaq goes to his move and turns you don't get the assist. Both are suspect FT shooters and Bron was a suspect closer for years too. It would take Bron in year 9 or later to work with Shaq

[@Nuthinnull]

Westbrook and LeBron definitely maximized their potential👌😂😂😂💯fit matters over everything, one day casuals will realize.

[@eg7167]

@@Nuthinnull nice strawman comment. Westbrook wasnt even in his prime anymore and isnt even close to prime Shaq even in his peak. Imagine Shaq and Bron in the P & R

[@Nuthinnull]

@@eg7167 Shaq is not a pick and roll big but yes it would be unstoppable with the right spacing. Westbrook/Bron is a terrible fit at any point in their careers regardless.

[@eg7167]

@@Nuthinnull i agree, but the westbrook shaq comparison was farfetched

[@ianmaxwell1282]

lebron is better than kobe and he would actually realize that giving shaq the ball = wins… 2004 series doesn’t happen if you replace bron with kobe… i know yall mambanites gonna be mad but its just the truth… like Dom2k said… that “mamba mentality” mindset held him back far more than it helped

[@wakashade1235]

Old LeBron and prime Shaq would have been better i think.

[@jonnyarnett]

That’s such a better fit. If you do that though, then it’s only fair that you consider an older Kobe too.

[@killablackmambakbm7593]

I think that is the only way Mj and Shaq work is if MJ is the older players. Shaq lack of work ethic would get to Bron. Bron would have some of the same issues with him but it would surface in a passive aggressive way.

[@henryadamsiii5442]

MAN R U OUTTA UR FREAKING MIND??! THERE'Z NO FREAKING NARRATIVE!!! KOBE IZ CLUTCH,,,AUTOMATIC,,,ASSASSIN,,, ,,, YA'LL SMOKING & UR ACTUALLY DOIN A VIDEO ON THIZ ISSH,,, I DIDN'T ACTUALLY WATCH THIZ,, JUS WANT'D 2 DROP THIZ COMMENT,,, MAN PLEASE

[@Westlyn80]

Lebron can't play off the ball. The triangle isn't his game at all. Catch shoot, running picks, low post play n all are involved within the triangle offense, and none of that, he's done well throughout his career. So the answer is no

[@olajawanmagee768]

I think he could have adjusted his game

[@gilzerofan16]

@@olajawanmagee768nah man LeBron just ain’t a born shooter like bean was. That offense would suffer if Bron was implemented in it

[@olajawanmagee768]

@@gilzerofan16 I think he would have been ok Kobe got to play one on one a lot because shaq was doubled and triple teamed so lebron would have got his

[@jmgonzales7701]

The triangle didnt rely on three point shooting that much thou

[@chadcas]

Tex Winter and Phil change all of this, real simple.

[@dimelo58]

LeBron woulda figured it out, prime Shaq would be the best teammate he ever had.

[@Vennnnnnnnnn]

Kobe was a way more consistent defender on the perimeter... Lebron fans only look at one side of the game when they do these hypotheticals it's sad

[@rogelioatempa1115]

Kobe was a more consistent defender yet LeBron averages more steals, holds opponents to a lower FG% and just overall was a better defender than Kobe pretty much every year after his rookie year lol

[@rockysalvatore435]

​@@rogelioatempa1115Steph a better defender than lbj then??

[@eg7167]

yall forgot lebron guarded parker in the finals, and rose in the playoffs. also dpoy runner up 2x. you're too young to know what you're talking about son.

[@jmgonzales7701]

Tbh i feel Like a better hypothetical team up would be if what if lebron and kobe teamed up. Kobe is a gunner and lebron is more of a pass first kind of guy, Lebron would go like a freak train in the first 3 quarters then kobe ice the game at the 4th.

[@jmgonzales7701]

Lebron could be the defensive anchor in the paint and a the main shot blocker.

[@Nick-y8t3h]

I think what bronsexuals and casuals don't understand is that Shaq and Gasol actually ruined Kobe's resume. If the rules allowed Kobe to play teams 1 on 5, he would have won a championship every year he was in the NBA and probably have 20 MVPs. He's really the only player whose teammates held him back. His mamba mentality alone really was enough to beat pretty much any opponent.

[@ssv7033]

For the most part, I like this channel. But suspect that Bron waved you off when you tried to get an autograph. Only reason I can justify for the contempt you hold for the man. Please report unbiased opinions!

[@donshults7772]

James is CLEARLY better than Bryant. Greater points, rebounds, assists...more MVP's, greater efficiency. It's not even close

[@Jayevonte]

Yeah that’s true lebron way better bro

[@newthrash1221]

Terrible take. Shaq almost exclusively scored from the pain't, which is where prime Lebron scores. Kobe was a better shooter and passer in his prime vs a young Lebron. edit: Kobe's 3 point stats don't compare because Kobe shot substantially more threes in his first 8 years than Lebron did and STILL had a better percentage.

[@calebvanberkom5571]

Kobe is objectively a worse passer than LeBron

[@gamergod3798]

@@calebvanberkom5571 ok?

[@newthrash1221]

@@calebvanberkom5571 Lebron has easily become a better passer, but Kobe was better passer in his prime than a young Lebron.

[@calebvanberkom5571]

@@newthrash1221 Not really. If we assume "young LeBron" is sub-25 LeBron, then from 2004-2009, LeBron averaged just under 7 assists per game. Meanwhile, a peak Kobe was averaging just over 5 assists.

[@facelessandnameless]

@@calebvanberkom5571 the number of assists have nothing to do with how good a passer someone is. Kobe played in the triangle offense and LeBron’s teams ran the offense through him…that results in a massive difference for assist opportunities. Look at Jordan’s assist numbers before Phil Jackson and then with Phil Jackson for an example.

[@tyronetnj79]

Truly appreciate and love your content. Been trying to explain this to people for years.

[@jdm2339]

here's my very scientific breakdown: 2000 - lose to portland 2001 - lose to san antonio 2002 - lose to sacramento and they're not winning 03 or 04 either. period.

[@andrewcook1246]

I imagine your scientific research involved heading over to 5th st to cop some ready rock xD

[@YoungblazinKTN]

⁠@@andrewcook1246how exactly would Lebron and Shaq get past those 3 teams? 2000: Lebron is NOT coming back from a Massive Deficit in a Game 7 to beat them. On top of that, the Blazers were the Deeper Team. 2001: Spurs have Always been Lebron’s Kryptonite, and to make matters worse Lebron struggles vs Teams with 2 Bigs like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. 2002: Chris Webber and the Kings were Deeper and was Literally One 4th Qtr Collapse from Winning. Like I said with Portland, Lebron is NOT Overcoming a Big Deficit to Beat these Teams. All of this is not including the Lack off On Ball Defense that Lebron plays. The problem here is that Lebron is Not Mentally Tough, he doesn’t know how to push thru Tough adversity without something crazy happening.

[@rogelioatempa1115]

2000: wins chip 2001: wins chip 2002: wins chip 2003: wins chip 2004: wins chip Prime Bron shot 35%+ from three and was as GOOD as a slasher than Kobe. Plus he was always a better defender. LeBron and Shaq wins 5 straight with prime Shaq.

[@rockysalvatore435]

​@@andrewcook1246Wade said lbj and him forged Miami for Kobe

[@rockysalvatore435]

​@@rogelioatempa1115in a weaker era yes

[@GlenLehane]

Good to see you give respect for both Dom AND Korzemba. I haven't seen much of Dom's videos, but Korzemba was one of the first NBA KZbinrs I got into, he gets clowned too much. He's not perfect, but he is passionate and enthusiastic

[@gamergod3798]

exited for this video johnny

[@ryanweir7566]

Love this guy but dear lord this video and “argument” is woeful. Personally, this hypothetical is meaningless, but the Xs and Os talk is horribly justified, there’s a real lack of understanding that different personnel = different actions, sets and decisions off of those actions. I know dude is Kobe homer, so I get the defence of him, but this is like a SAA First Take ass argument. Far from Jonnys objectivity and holistic topic understanding

[@jordanjenkins1671]

Perfectly logical, factual argument for why LeBron+Shaq < Kobe+Shaq

[@MrJohnnyAOA]

So Shaq played with DWade who is closer to Bron than Kobe and won it all. You're just a hater Johnny.

[@apex_blade]

by your logic lebron played with shaq too

[@animeguitarguy]

Shaq smacked teams the first 42 minutes then Kobe put them away. Bron just isn't a closer like the Mamba

[@sir_sack]

That is objectively false. Look at their career stats in close playoff games

[@younglove3362]

Nah, he'd just start the game strong and maintain the lead which is what LeBron is known for doing.

[@YoungblazinKTN]

@@younglove3362Stop the Cap, Lebron literally would be a Liability or he would have Shaq as a Liability on Offense because of the Lack of Spacing between those 2. 2nd of all, Lebron is Literally Known for Starting Slow and when he sees Opportunities to Pad his Stats, he does it. Lebron literally doesn’t have the Range that Kobe did back then. Kobe Bryant was showing up in the Clutch when it mattered most. Kobe Impacted the Game with his Stats and His Defense that Lebron Has Rarely Ever Done. So Stop the Cap 🧢. Lebron’s Lack of Impact is why he’s not Going to Win With A Prime Shaq unless Shaq Carries Them and hits Clutch FT’s. Name One Center that Lebron has Made a Better Player?

[@rogelioatempa1115]

​@@YoungblazinKTNPrime LeBron clears Kobe lmao 4 MVP in 5 years and you don't think he wins with a prime Shaq and good role players? Not to mention that LeBron was always a better defender than Kobe and a better passer. Plus if you actually look at who's actually more clutch you'd see that it's LeBron all day. Kobe literally ha sonly one game winning buzzer beater in the playoffs whereas LeBron got multiple.

[@koolkai4299]

​@@rogelioatempa1115Kobe Bryant was the youngest player in NBA History to ever make an All-Defensive 1st Team a record that stood until Victor Wembayamba broke it. He has 12 All-Defensive selections(Most ever by a shooting guard) to Lebron's 6 and is tied with MJ, Kevin Garnett, and Gary Payton for the most 1st Team All-Defensive selections with 9. Furthermore, it was Kobe who took on the challenge of defending the opposing teams best players in the Olympics on the Redeem Team in 2008 not Lebron. Finally, Lebron had to be pushed in the back by Kuzma to play defense. Lebron has mever been a better on-ball defender than Lebron James.

[@jop3249]

jonny playing smash makes you 10x cooler

[@jonnyarnett]

Lol. I appreciate it 😂 I’m a Bowser Main with Isabelle as a secondary. You??

[@eddiechan1258]

Let's not mention LeBron is not as good of an on-ball defender. That factor would also reduce there chances making the finals.

[@andrewcook1246]

His last 3 of 8 seasons he was an all def 1st team and a runner up dpoty. Bron has always held opp player to low fg%.

[@comebackkid44723]

@@andrewcook1246the other five he wasn’t in the top ten for defensive win shares.

[@andrewcook1246]

@@comebackkid44723 Ah yes, but for 3 of his first 5 seasons Kobe WASN'T EVEN A STARTER!

[@killablackmambakbm7593]

​@andrewcook1246 kobe started year 3. They traded Jones then. Back then they didn't just give young players time even if it was earned. Kobe used to cook Jones and Rider in practice and Del Harris didn't play him. It took KG, Kobe, Tmac, Jermaine O'Neal to change the perception of high school players. Bron wouldn't be the 1st pick in the 96-97 draft and his lack of an outside shit first 7-8 years would be exposed

[@comebackkid44723]

@ exactly 👍🏻

[@rockysalvatore435]

1:23 Jonny this exactly why I've been nagging you to compare privileges of stars and rosters. The curry LeBron era had been dissing everyone before them and literally no one checks one half of this era. Skap goes for LeBron tho. They genuinely believe curry and LeBron carried worse teams more impressive than Kobe. Compare help and context and Kobe was more impressive than both combined

[@SavedSinnerbyJesusChrist]

Noone ever talks about the fact bron has the most consistent playoff meltdowns from anyone in the top 10. Theres not a single legitimate argument you could make to put him over Hakeem

[@king.deandre]

👆🏾

[@calebvanberkom5571]

There are multiple arguments to put LeBron as the GOAT, he is easily above Hakeem

[@rogelioatempa1115]

Consistent playoffs meltdowns? LMAOO outside of 2011 LeBron has played great in pretty much every single one of his series.

[@jasonmoukala8909]

Ur tripping

[@eg7167]

meltdowns? that's rich coming from kobe fans. 2011 was the only stain in lebrons legacy. kobe had more. 😂2004 against pistons, 2006 blowing a 3-1 lead and quit debunking his mamba mentality. 2011 where the lakers were projected to be the 2nd most likely to win the chip after the heat, bu got swept by mavs. no one talks about 2010 finals when he got bailed out by artest and pau IN THE CLUTCH, like lebron getting crucified for only ONE SHOT by Ray allen. the standards are different and lebron gets held to a higher standard.

[@randomperson2540]

I think Kobe being able to shot the ball and guard the other opposing guards at a Dpoy level at times helps, he also shown he can play off ball. Bron in first 8 years was extremely turnover prone in the offs, couldn’t really shot, and needed the ball in hands. He might make it up with his better slashing playmaking and defensive versatility, but considering Kobe was also very versatile defensively, along with Shaq being on the team so you don’t really need bron to attack the basket I rather want Kobe personally. They probably win the same amount though considering they probably trust bron as a talent more which means he’ll have a better relationship with Shaq, unlike Kobe where he only got real opportunity with Phil everyone else underutilized him.

[@Says_me]

Plus Lebron was never the facilitator that the narrative suggests… he has 7.4 APG on his career… his 1st 8-years were 7.0 Not bad… but he made everyone play Lebron ball. Helio-centric scheme around Lebron that had him at a 31.8 USG% in his 1st 8-years Whereas Shaq’s was up at that level… Kobe’s was a bit lower as he played off of Shaq We see Lebron ball at work where Love’s USG% dropped from 28.8 in the 3 seasons before joining the Cavs to 21.7 as he had to alter around Lebron

[@anthonyhigginbotham921]

Last thing you wanna do as far as LeBron being better than Kobe is go hypothetical I’ll keep it short. Colby would’ve won more championships with Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosch and Real and Kyrie Irving Anthony Davis and Kevin Love wouldn’t be talking about Kobe with four championships and losses in the finals. Please start with your ridiculous clips.

[@Rookie30590]

LeBron and Shaq at best would've won 1 championship, imo they wouldn't won anything.

[@rogelioatempa1115]

LeBron and Shaq win 5 in a row. Quite easily honestly if they surround them with great pieces like they did back then.

[@thsu8]

Two chokers when it matters under pressure.

[@maxdobasquete]

❤Mr Arnett spitting 🔥 👌🏼 TRUE FACTS!!! I'm subscribed to Korzemba and Dom as well, but IT'S YOUR VIDEOS that I show to my players, because YOU ALWAYS USE TRUE FACTS AND LOGIC INSTEAD OF YOUR OWN PERSONAL PREFERENCES!!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼💪🏼🏀💪🏼🏀💪🏼🏀

[@richardjackson5670]

This is one of the greatest breakdowns and dismantling I’ve ever seen! 😅 Lebron wouldn’t have won 1 championship with Shaq.

[@Cannon4545]

Completely agree with this one. Not a Kobe fan at all (granted I don't like Lebron either but for different reasons..) but Kobe was a far better fit than Lebron would've been. All the scoring Lebron did (physical, athleticism-based) Shaq already had taken care of. They would have just eaten into each other's scoring. Kobe took over the midrange and 3pt shooting, which was really valuable to the team.

[@ohhhyeahhh1174]

Lebron shooting less then 35% all time outside of 3 feet would have Shaq shooting 15 ft jumpers. He has AD and barely mustered 1 ring which is a very SUS ring. Give Kobe wade, ky and love, and the Anthony Davis and you can see Kobe winning 7 rings at minimum. Remember Shaq needed Kobe to become a young mamba because Shaq couldn't win without Kobe. Kobe and Shaq where the right pair, but if we do put a fantasy duo it would be Jordan and Shaq.

[@andrewcook1246]

Barely? Lakers were the first seed and had zero 7 game series those playoffs lol.

[@YoungblazinKTN]

⁠@@andrewcook1246The Year in the Bubble is mainly in Question because we don’t know if AD and Lebron would have made it thru 82 gms, let alone go on that Playoff Run. Before the Pandemic, the Lakers were getting Fatigued and Banged Up. Who knows what would have happened? That’s why Barely is a Fair word to use.

[@jasonmoukala8909]

@@YoungblazinKTNbro what? Lakers were completely healthy before the pandemic 😂😂😂

[@ph-ju1fo]

@@jasonmoukala8909 facts, Lebron was leading MVP talks + Lakers literally beat Bucks and clippers B2B, Lakers were winning it regardless

[@jasonmoukala8909]

@@ph-ju1fo exactly thank you

[@mymountrushmore6235]

Nice post…this is why I like discussing what would be the greatest team you could assemble. Because it prob isn’t the five best ever just slapped together.

[@derekjohnson6676]

It’s hard to argue that any hypothetical duo would be better than the last duo to threepeat. Besides, I don’t think Lebron would have been humble enough to play second option three championships in a row

[@2kdesignstudios72]

I think you make a great point. Young LeBron wasn’t the three point shooting league leading assist LeBron we see today. It’s like asking what post-injury Kobe could have done with AD. Laker LeBron, Shaq and Kobe all would have meshed with each other. Laker LeBron is much more humble IMO, and has better chemistry and skill set to play with either superstar teammate vs young LeBron.

[@jalennelson8237]

Mane bron woulda had Shaq shootin 3s😂😂😂

[@John6-40]

I see what you're saying, but Shaq wouldn't have been adapting to LeBron. The Lakers would've made LeBron adapt to Shaq. Shaq was that dominant. So LeBron would've been the one camped at the 3pt line. 😂

[@rockysalvatore435]

As a LBJ hater. Based LeBron

[@rockysalvatore435]

​@@John6-40the his legacy would be dead submitting to Shaq. Kobe carried him through the west and they still spit on him. Kobe won wo Pau by actually FORCING OUT Shaq and they still bring up that carried nonsense. Imagine if Kobe had the privilege of just forming superteams and not being taxed like curry and LeBron

[@John6-40]

@rockysalvatore435 Where did I say Shaq carried Kobe? But you're taking it wayyy too far saying Kobe ever carried Shaq. How old are you? Did you watch the games back then?

[@evanclp514]

i thought the exact same thing as you when i saw the video title. LeBron and Shaq both play at the rim. it would not be a good fit. Shaq and Kobe were the perfect inside+outside combo. i think Kobe was a greater player than LeBron but somehow the media just skipped past Kobe and started comparing LeBron to Jordan. i think it's done mostly for ratings because LeBron isn't anywhere close to Jordan but at least Kobe there's an argument.

[@craigjohnston5781]

Know what is a great winning strategy? Putting two guys together that both suck at closing out games....... it's a bold strategy Cotton.

[@ashamael]

This.

[@rogelioatempa1115]

Except that LeBron is literally one of the greatest closers of all-time and is just statistically better than Kobe.

[@craigjohnston5781]

@rogelioatempa1115 don't forget that we are talking specifically about early career Lebron. Not post 2014 rule changes, Lebron. Go back and look at his clutch time statistics, not just final shots but final 5 minutes in close games numbers from his first stint in Cleveland, and you will find that he was, in fact, statically terrible at closing games. Kobe was much better during the Lakers 3-peat reign than Lebron was in 4th quarters of close games early in his career.

[@ivblizzard3616]

@@craigjohnston5781 shaq and kobe played 3 full seasons before they started winning ... give LeBron and Shaq 3 seasons to develop chemistry and it's a completely different discussion

[@craigjohnston5781]

@ivblizzard3616 I would be easily convinced that they would have a better regular season record with Lebron in place of Kobe. Where I become highly skeptical is the winning championships part. And speculating that Lebron would "develop" seems dubious and outside the context of the discussion. I'm basing my opinion on the evidence we saw of the player Lebron was in his first stint in Cleveland. If your argument is that he develops into a different player, then sure, maybe an alternate/better version of Lebron is a better teammate to pair with Shaq. Not sure why that is relevant though.

[@streetsweeper8831]

I agree but if that were the case bron would probably played pg and they would run pnr

[@jon-fn7ob]

Shaquille never like pnr, he literally hated them

[@streetsweeper8831]

@jon-fn7ob pick and roll

[@futureDreamer4]

Lebron wouldn't even force Shaq to work harder either.

[@omarserrano5865]

Shaq and Kobe worked better than if it were Shaq and bronze.

[@davincerica7232]

Pretty stupid arguments I have to say... When was hack a Lebron a thing?

[@jacoblee5796]

It never was, he's just pointing out the Kobe was a better free throw shooter, which is true. But LBJ wasn't bad enough that hacking him and putting him to the line would of been an effective strategy. That was a horrible argument made by this guy, one of many.

[@YoMrRice]

Whenever I bring up the fact that kobe always dominated the western conference finals, people will tell me that only the finals matter, but in the same breath, they will tell you that eight straight trips to the finals means something

[@Keepit100Dre]

The 2021 Nets didn't fail because of the lack of talent, they failed because of injury and Covid. When healthy, they were 17-3 and had the top offensive rating ever. They would have won the championship if Giannis didn't step under Kyrie.

[@shadows5499]

they woulda won if kyrie didnt bombshell tf outta brooklyn every year harden fas FED up with kyries bullshit and left prime harden was an mvp canidate on those nets teams he was incredible but kyrie fucked it up, and then eventually everyone got hurt because giannis started the chain reaction that ended hardens prime, and the chances the nets had to win a ring

[@Keepit100Dre]

@ if we’re being honest, the policy of the NYC mayor was dumb. Kyrie couldn’t play because he wasn’t vaccinated as a NYC employee, but players from other teams could play if they weren’t vaccinated because they weren’t an NYC employee. That’s on the mayor being dumb than Kyrie.

[@jerryezel4530]

The Dom2K mention shows how great you are

[@arigross6822]

In terms of pure offensive compatibility, LeBron and Shaq might not mesh so well due to the reason stated in the video. However, I do believe that LeBron would have elevated his other teammates far better than Kobe did. LeBron also would have adapated his game to attack the basket slightly less, and learn to shoot a bit more. Not to mention that he would be free to play like a freight train on the fast break and pick up the pace for the Lakers. Lastly, I think LeBron would have brought the best out of Shaq from an off-the-court perspective, as he got along much better than Kobe with superstar and role player teammates alike. This probably leads to overall better output from Shaq, a longer stay in LA, and an eventual graceful handing over the keys to LeBron, something Kobe never had the chance to experience. So while I do think you have some valid points, there is some more off the court nuance that wasn't considered.

[@Black_Guy]

Lebron has had over 20 years to improve his mid-range shooting. He switched teams 3 times and his playing style hasn't changed much. He has an offensive play style that maximizes himself and he doesn't adjust for anyone. If someone doesn't fit his style, he wants them gone. He doesn't make players better. He helps shooters who fit into his style. Everyone else is trade fodder.

[@facelessandnameless]

LeBron has never elevated his teammates though 😂

[@YoungblazinKTN]

Lebron doesn’t make teammates Better unless they are 3-pt specialists. 2nd Lebron is Literally Mediocre at Best in the Mid-Range Game. 3rd of all, You seriously don’t know what your Talking about when it comes to off the Court. Kobe And Shaq Brought the Best out of Each Other. Their Differences caused the beef but it also brought the Best out of Each Other. Shaq needed someone that Would Hold Him Accountable AND he can keep in check. When has Lebron EVER take Full Accountability Without Excuses?? So the problem is when Shaq does bad, Lebron would throw him under the bus. But Lebron would NEVER let Shaq hold him accountable. Why do you think every time things get Tough Lebron Goes to Another Team? Because he’s not Mentally Tough like Kobe. Imagine what Lebron gonna do when Shaq tells Lebron to hold his Bags? The chemistry between a Prime Shaq and a Prime Lebron Would NEVER Work. I watched Both Men’s Primes. It would never Work Out.

[@koolkai4299]

Lebron hasn't elevated his mid-range game or free throw shooting(Never shot 80%) from the field in 20 years.

[@Juan-Soto-Mets]

Has anyone seen Leflop or Bronny? Asking for Diddy.

[@John-ct9zs]

I think LeBron's Alpha ego would have clashed with Shaq's super Alpha bully ego, the same way Kobe's Alpha clashed with Shaq. There would have been a debate about whose team it was and all that, though I personally believe the Lakers from 1996 to 2003 were totally Shaq's team. After 2003, it was Kobe's.

[@YoungblazinKTN]

I’d argue that 2001, 2002 both Shaq and Kobe were Equals but Shaq had the Easiest Matchups in the Finals so they played thru Shaq. That’s literally what happened and Shaq confirmed that himself. Furthermore, Shaq Literally said “if Kobe wanted to he could’ve Won those FMVPS” keyword could’ve meaning they could have played thru Kobe and Won, but it was Way Easier to Play thru Shaq!!!

[@leptonparticle238]

Lebron always worked well with a lot of shooters around him, and great post players always had to change their game with him. Some of them became just spot up shooters, so NO, Lebron does not work well with Shaq, at all.

[@troyfew2373]

Imagine it Kobe had a prime Anthony Davis the last 6 years of his career; Kobe would have more than 5 rings; he would have at least gone back 2 back with a prime AD

[@zzz.tyrone]

with a torn achilles. yea for sure buddy

[@John6-40]

​​@zzz.tyrone There were 3 healthy years without a title BEFORE the achilles, and with AD, the achilles likely doesn't even happen, because Kobe was doing too much.

[@ivblizzard3616]

with AD's injuries? No

[@ph-ju1fo]

Nah not really cause of injuries, Lakers were on pace to go back 2 back, lebron was leading MVP talks but it came downhill when AD and LBJ got injured (I will never forgive solomon hill for the dive), hell if AD was healthy during the playoffs, lakers would of went to finals.

[@eg7167]

not really. kobe did nun with dwight pau and nash.

[@forgotten6263]

To be fair, this kind of comparison is never going to be fair, because a player cannot choose his situation when he starts his career.

[@alexmichael4348]

Anybody saying Kobe is better than LeBron needs their head examined.

[@camaradiop3731]

I need my head examined; LeBron SHOULD be better than Kobe, but he is not.

[@TheDudeAbides1998]

Maybe you need to get your head examined.

[@alex4833]

Happy Thanksgiving, Jonny! I appreciate your videos and the hard work by you and your editor :) I hope you and yours have a nice Thanksgiving! God bless. Dom made some great points, but I agree with your argument. I think what made your points more convincing was LeBron's perimeter and long range shooting (particularly in his early years) were not as good as Kobe's. That definitely leads to spacing issues. I also agree about the difference in free throw shooting. LeBron is okay at FTs while I consider Kobe a good FT shooter (IIRC his FT% was in the 80s and LeBron's is more in the 70s). Great video and Happy Thanksgiving again!

[@keithkool8308]

Bron always needed 2 great players in his system to shine like a Wade and bosh, love and Kyrie , thats the problem with the lakers, doing all the trading, as a duo he aint good enough shooting mids 38 perc and 3’s 34 perc, even his freetrows are average 77 perc. Also his footwork , skillset, postup ain’t that great , just his right hand dunks . Ill take Kobe any time as a duo!!

[@willemcenter8649]

I don’t know that Shaq and LeBron would be a top duo, but the argument that “player X won more with less” is a valid concept in debates

[@AquariusLeviathanProphecy]

well james had old LeShaq and did nothing lol case close

[@eg7167]

what would have kobe done with old shaq? LOL

[@ArmandoKozomara]

Completely agree, Jonny.

[@safikadir4369]

Disagree as a bron fan cuz both players are inside players.

[@jonnyarnett]

An honest LeBron fan is a precious commodity these days. I appreciate you. It's all hypothetical though, so who knows, maybe your guy comes out on top after all 🤷‍♂️

[@Greidyelcuh]

I mean that’s true but bron became a capable 3 point shooter in Miami. The only way they would work is to a lot of 3 & d players to space the floor

[@VforVengeance159]

Everything you said in the video pretty much sums all it up! People think just because LeBron is a "great passer", he'd be the better player to tandem with Shaq. And yes I quote-unquoted his passing game because they've been overhyped. He's more ball dominant and don't believe can play in the triangle system.

[@MarkLaw13]

FACTS. Lebron is not even a top 10 player when he concludes his career

[@calebvanberkom5571]

0/10 rage bait

[@MarkLaw13]

@calebvanberkom5571 he will have 4 rings in 24 years. That's 20 years of no championship. He's has statistically played with the most Allstars in history. He should have won more. What makes him better than Wilt? MJ Kareem Russell Magic Wilt Kobe Duncan Mikan Shaq Hakeem LeBron Jokic Dr J including ABA Moses Giannis Oscar Karl Robinson Steph Gervin McHale Isiah West Havlicek KD Maravich Frazier Kawhi

[@yp1c]

@@MarkLaw13 LeBron is EASILY the best statistical and individual player ever, the only person who can be above him all time is MJ (debatably) and lets not forget he has the hardest finals competition ever by a long shot

[@MarkLaw13]

@yp1c you're not reading. I'm not talking about statistics.

[@olajawanmagee768]

Give me what you smoking 😂😂

[@ejkboxing]

Imagine if MJ had Shaq. MJ would've made sure Shaq stayed in shape year around.

[@BrandonAnderson-tp4oq]

Fun fact, lebron has a higher 3 point average than kobe. + he has had more seasons of averaging 40% from 3 than kobe. But yeah 😅. Im also curious, how many times did kobe bring his dumpster fire team to the finals? Cuz i can count atleast 2 times lebrons teams had 0 business being in the finals. But you know lebron james 😂 he didnt go out and average 35 and say fuck his teammates, he made them better around him. I feel like people love to forget HOW HORRIBLE some of kobes teams were and he didnt make it ANY better 😂 idk why being a ball hog and not contributing to building a team is held in higher regard than bringing up those around you, and you know actually winning games and playoff series 😂

[@Greidyelcuh]

Bro how the hell would kobe carry a team with smush Parker and kawme brown in the stacked western conference.

[@BrandonAnderson-tp4oq]

@@Greidyelcuh lebron had deli tryna guard curry 😂😂. Lebrons team was basically fully trades halfway thru the year, then proceed to bring a bunch of no name dudes all the way to the finals 😂 what was the best player, like Jae crowder? 😂

[@zstrikerlol]

LeBron did benefit from the Leastern conference. Also, he was talking about LeBrons 3-ball from his first 8 seasons genius

[@BrandonAnderson-tp4oq]

@zstrikerlol well looks like kobe averaged about 32% from 3 for his first 8 seasons so almost exactly lebrons career average 😂 so I'm confused? Kobe was better 3 point shooter, yet averaged the same? Odd haha

[@gamergod3798]

@@BrandonAnderson-tp4oq it's because kobe shot a way higher volume and still had similar percentages

[@showtimenick824]

2:13 It held him back in the 2004 Finals, but Kobe still has a much better track record of making his teammates better than LeBron. I get that this is not the whole video, but it's still important to note that.

[@martinofrancois2749]

LeBron is no way near top 10 player of all time

[@calebvanberkom5571]

0/10 rage bait

[@andrewcook1246]

The crack you smoke is def top 10 ever!

[@LuccaCZ-13]

The argument doesn't really speak to the greatness of either player, it's a non-discussion lmao

[@martinofrancois2749]

Lebron would never survive in the 90s because of physical defense

[@jaydag24]

He played in the dead ball era and was never injured.

[@calebvanberkom5571]

Meanwhile, (excluding rookie season) LeBron casually averaging 29-7-7 and winning 2 MVPs in the dead ball era

[@zstrikerlol]

He was fine in the 2000’s, and that era had way better defense 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@andrewcook1246]

Mugsy Bogues and Manute Bol survived. Bron will be fineee

[@codyeble0713]

LeBron and Shaq would have worked, Wade wasnt a great shooter either and he got a ring with an out of his prime Shaq... They would have figured it out, theres no coutch free throws when you are up 20 the whole game lol and LeBron can flip the switch whenever he wants, he skated throughout regular seasons then flipped the switch for playoffs.. it just depends on his teammates, are they in a rhythm where LeBron uses his playmaking to beat a team or are they struggling and he uses his scoring to take over... Its whatever the team needs.. and hes a constant professional so Shaq wouldnt leave because they had beef either... But like he said, all hypothetical

[@jacoblee5796]

That's a great point about D Wade, he was more a slasher/get to the rim kind of guy as well. Wade was not a great shooter. It's wild to think Shaq and LBJ wouldn't have worked, LBJ would of played his roll and he wouldn't have beefed with Shaq and Phil. Look what LBJ did his first 7 years in Cleveland with no other all star caliber players, no bench and sub par coaching. But somehow LBJ isn't going to have success with the most dominate player in the league and a hall of fame proven winning coach!?

[@chikushodiz91]

lol Lebron ain’t even top 10 stop this bullshit

[@JohnDoe-ky5uo]

Sounds like u think about LBJ more than any other player in history

[@Greidyelcuh]

Bruh your so dumb. Bron quite literally in the top 3

[@benlazzopina-wy9om]

24 seconds ago buddy you didnt even watch the video 🤣 you're whats wrong with nba discourse

[@Sitback]

1/10 rage bait

[@lakernation26]

Rage bait like a mf😭😭😭🗑️🗑️

[@elgrannido156]

Johnny you are a stoic. Cheers for always proposing a very very broad point of view.

[@joelgonzalez2695]

Dom, Korzemba, and even Funky. It's been ages since i've seen one of their videos. I used to like Mike's 2k simulations 😅.