Jordan B Peterson on masculinity and the plight of young men | BBC Sounds

[@ManInTheBigHat]

This is a breakthrough video for the BBC. Far cry from Kathy Newman's nonsense. Excellent work, BBC.

[@TheSkepticalIdealist]

I think it's because it's more on the fringes of the BBC so I wouldn't be surprised if they come down on this guy

[@nickmacky]

Kathy Newman doesn't work for the BBC, neither does Cathy Newman.

[@KAIZORIANEMPIRE]

@@nickmacky channel 4 but i think they meant mainstream media

Just a bit of a moron who always gets things wrong like his guru kermit the Canadian.

[@AnUtterMesh]

@ Do you need a safe space?

[@thewatercarrier1]

It's good to see the BBC move outside their comfort zone. Let's hope it's a sign of more to come. Great video.

[@HladniSjeverniVjetar]

Now they just have to stop with diversity hiring... leftist propaganda... history blackwashing etc..

[@markadler8983]

I think they just want the ratings he brings in.

[@georgehennon7781]

Hear hear

[@neonatalpenguin]

I think Nihal is the one moving out of his comfort zone. The BBC are just his paymasters.

[@askagorn]

Don't be so goddamn cynical everyone. It's obvious that Nihal was deeply affected by his first meeting with JBP and put this together because he thought it was important. The BBC basically gave him a gigantic platform here without attacking him at all, and you're still crying about how the BBC is leftist? Stop looking a gift horse in the mouth.

[@ttz4m3]

Nice to see BBC Radio 5 picking up on one of the positive messages in Peterson's rhetoric and focusing on exploring that, rather than trying to shoot him down or discredit him. Glad they picked up on the power of his comments about young men and recognised it as an important topic to discuss further,

[@GP-iv8py]

Javed Ahmed 100% yes. Great comment

[@MrJamberee]

She tried many times to shoot him down, but kept failing. At this point, anyone who brings up the Pepe idiocy is bringing an agenda rather than an open mind.

[@SolDizZo]

It’s almost like they’re preparing for the new “hit piece” that coming out about Jordan Petersons success through controversy... So as not to be implicated in the mess...

[@DanaJumper]

Nihal Arthanayake did an excellent job with this interview. Props to him.

[@SolDizZo]

doge fm yes but much of the practitioner lifestyle can be utilized for even the highest IQ men... Find a “Thinking Man’s” Martial Art/System and you’ll find ways to master your mind, frustration and anger... Some of the guys on this panel were very well spoken, witty and smart. They are true self-mastery practitioners, one of them even an aspiring politician.

[@NihalPresents]

I've now watched this so many times and even though I hosted it it makes me emotional. To hear these men articulate their struggles and triumphs. To find meaning through responsibility. To have found someone who actually paid them attention. Much more work needed. But it's beginning.

[@TheKgr1967]

The BBC need to do much more of this, much more, it was a great and interesting discussion, it brought back memories of my childhood, hope you host more of these talks...

[@1InnerGuru]

Nihal Arthanayake

[@Jamiemccredie]

A genuinely positive & valuable contribution to this vital debate. No screaming matches, interruptions, disingenuous arguments, or vilification for a vested interest. Great, great work. Heartfelt thanks & congratulations to all involved here.

[@kristianphilipsen]

Thank you, this was a genius idea. As someone who has been raised by good parents under good conditions, with no "real" struggles. There is still so much i learned from this, mainly overcomming difficulty and finding your true identity. Excellent stuff! Keep doing you.

[@lucaschacon7436]

Thanks for hosting this.

[@marialiyubman]

As women, we MUST stand with men against what’s being done to them in “our name”. They don’t speak for me, and I had an amazing male role model in my grandfather. I cannot be fooled, men are heroic and amazing and not acknowledging them as such is nothing short of a mortal sin. Of course there are good people and bad people in every gender, but that doesn’t mean we can prey on the so-called “strong” without acknowledging their sacrifices to raise us, protect us, fight for us and not be like some men in the middle-east who consider women as half a man while our men fought for our rights with us. They fought to their death for our freedom and equality, not for us to get “revenge”.

[@jasonnabors1330]

If u don’t acknowledge us it makes us extremely depressed but we as men have to make sure we’re operating for what’s best for the family or relationship and not for ourselves. If we can do both a lot more families, relationships and marriages could be a lot more stronger

[@rktsnail]

This comment made me really happy to see a female who recognizes the virtues of masculine. I also appreciate the virtues of femininity. There are so many things women do that I just can’t as a man and it’s a beautiful thing. I hope to have a wife one day who also appreciates the virtues of men and women and their ways of existing in harmony while working for their collective good. But at my hyper liberal college it’s almost a crime to be a straight white man.

[@rktsnail]

I also am aware my comment reads like it was written by an incel hahaha. Ive had multiple girlfriends in the past and have never had trouble meeting girls but my three years at this hyper liberal school(American university) it’s like finding a needle in a haystack it’s incredibly rare to find a girl who doesn’t think that my passion for lifting weights and being strong mentally and physically is a cancerous product off toxic masculinity.

[@maddscientist82]

@mary Thanks for this comment. I just recently came across Jordan and the message he is trying to articulate in the muddled mess that people call a 'discussion' nowadays. Before that I was working on bettering myself and striving towards the image of what I always believed should be a real man, role model, coach, etc. (Jordan is obviously a huge help). But recently I found a woman that actually recognizes the same qualities to be as important and is supportive in such a way that is extremely rare and unbelievably appreciated. And it's f*cking awesome! 😁

[@seerambabajee7817]

Thank you.

[@thomasbrown5267]

It's really good to see Jordan interacting with the young boxers in particular - to see him in something of a clinician role rather than just constantly defending himself from stupid journalists is really great.

[@Bertydude]

We can relate. That's why it's so powerful.

[@mr7wi]

Thomas Brown These gentlemen are living JBP Rule 3: Make friends with people who want the best for you. Thank God for the guys who founded and run that gym.

[@sonicfoxxmusic4281]

YOUTH CLUB workers are identical. If i were a Prime Minister or a President, i'd employ them from every angle known to man. Most of the ones i have met or worked with are or have been phenomenal folk. TOTAL GIVERS. Worth some thought.

[@JoeBizzle]

I think one key to JBP's success is his brutal honesty. So many people are told they are perfect, even though they clearly are not. Peterson can be harsh, but he seems to genuinely care about people. He is the embodiment of tough love.

[@MrJimboslice26]

Wish I could have a pocket JBP for when I could use some tough love.

[@SweetTooth8989]

Yeah that's a great point I completely agree. People are actually desperate for this kind of brutal honesty. Some people are afraid to hear this kind of honesty because it can be sobering, like a slap in the face, but by continuing to believe in their delusions (which they are aware of), is running from the truth and will only do damage in the long run.

[@mh13mini]

@@MrJimboslice26 I wish I had a pocket JBP for... things... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@MahirParekh]

Exactly. Why should you be proud of who you are when you undeniably aren't and have the potential to grow into something worthwhile

[@marialiyubman]

Joe Bizzle I need your profile pic so bad!! Also, Mary me! ❤️😂🦔🦔

[@ultravioletspirit]

Jordan Peterson is the ultimate example of class, what a gentleman!

[@careym3901]

I wholeheartedly agree Aletia!

[@MagicUK-wu2ov]

agreed .

[@gpless05]

If he started a church, I'd attend.

[@americanmambi]

He is Ultimate Hero for mankind

[@adilscott6160]

I am in complete agreement he is awesome

[@lauriemartin2237]

Wow, I have never had so much admiration for a human being, I am not a man I'm a woman, Mr. Peterson, sir I am a better person because I have been applying a new standard upon myself, because of your incredible way you articulate your knowledge. Thank you,God Bless you and yours.

[@apatheticallyconcerned6574]

As a man, I instantly cried a few minutes in when I realized this is the first video I've seen in years that focused on males and male issues without anyone there that shot them down or made fun of them or steered it toward feminism and the "plight" of women. Thank you BBC.

[@streglof]

I prefer these kind of videos a lot over those where he constantly has to defend and explain himself

[@AllThingsCubey]

That's because instead of focussing on areas and opinions where JDP strongly differs from modern PC culture (often detached from the reality of most people in society) they're letting him talk about real problems from down to earth guys. University campus politics aren't real life, and dangerous as they are they do not equate with the reality experienced by men like these.

[@Bucketheadhead]

Well that's because this is pretty much a group therapy session, rather than him offering his critique on modern society.

[@cr35t23]

The beard is back! Yes! Also, BBC did this? There might still be hope.

[@cunningmancrowe5483]

IKR? I could hardly believe it myself ..

[@isr1825]

I was suprised too about the BBC doing this... 🤔

[@quistaraponimb1463]

There is no hope. It's still identity politics, because it's focused on men. That's what BBC does.

[@Caaarrl94]

bbc4/5 is alright. 1/2/3 is trash

[@saggydogs]

The BBC have eventually done this as they are part of the structure that PLAYS BOTH SIDES. It's the opposition to the pushed narrative and set up just like arranged cock or dog fighting. If you pick a side, you play thier game. We only 'win' by just being ourselves.

[@PaulRoneClarke]

I didn't think I'd say this about the BBC ever again. Well done BBC. Not click bait, not interviewee baiting, not soundbite farming - but a proper chat. Upset me in a good way. Good lads trying their best. Well done to the firefighters for setting this gym up. Well done to the lads for taking responsibility on board, and well done to JBP for championing what most of society had given up on in the larger stage.

[@jennig8014]

Bravo BBC for giving the wise Jordan Peterson this platform to spread is positive and empowering message. As a wife and mum to 3 boys I am also interested in lifting men up and stopping the division caused by this ridiculous ideology around male patriarchy and crazy 3rd wave feminism. My boys need to be empowered, not made to feel guilty for who they are. We need strong intelligent and empowered men and women. We are beautifully different and complementary. Professor Peterson is doing wonderful work. All those up and coming young men are testament to his message.

[@Casper-we3dq]

When the media is dominated by the voices of 3rd wave feminists, we often forget that the majority of women have a common sense and balanced view like you. I’ve met some wonderful women in my life, but I’ve also had the bad experience of 3rd wave feminists. We need to hear more from women like you, and less from the divisive ones, especially in the media.

[@stephenhamer1702]

The world needs more switched on ladies like yourself. You are obviously taking the raising of your sons seriously and my hat goes off to you. I'm sure you will do a great job.

[@thrillamoe50]

Fantastic MOM!!!!!!! keep it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@sylvesterjonas9141]

I am from Africa and I am so thankful that Jordan Peterson came into my life. He has so huge positive impact on my life as an individual.

[@this-is-not-just-a-pr-fail3263]

I want to recommend Jordan to my purposeless brother. Is there a book or video I should give him? How do people start with Jordan Peterson? What did you see from him initially that helped you?

[@silasmartin5210]

@@this-is-not-just-a-pr-fail3263 the Book 12 rules for life is his most popular book although I’ve followed Peterson for many years and I got into him through his podcast appearances joe rogan etc. And his interviews - Cathy Newman

[@dastraa8447]

damn bro I am from Europe

[@sylvesterjonas9141]

@Mike Litorus 😂😂😂

[@sylvesterjonas9141]

@Mike Litorus you are right, no one cares. In addition the entire human race should be erased, except for you.

[@tomharris6013]

this is absolutely brilliant! great organisation, great to see peterson, top of his game, touching the grassroots, and bbc 5 being behind this, extremely significant!

[@RyanAustinDean]

Tom Harris You can see Peterson the counselor come out when these young men spoke. The man listens.

[@samjensen409]

This guy has to be the best journalist the BBC has. Brilliant work.

[@joostvandegoor150]

That was SO wonderful. I must confess that I didn't think the BBC had the openness (anymore) to produce something like this. I guess I was wrong. So, compliments to you Nihal, and to Jordan Peterson, and to those great young men talking about their lives.

[@johnnydi2231]

@Largesse1000 Agreed.... Let's just wait and see. I'm not fully convinced, or ready to just trust them or anything, just like that after 1 REASONABLE video. It's just what that should've been doing, anyway, ya know? Lol.

[@ballkans]

@Largesse1000 I feel for you what you went trough, i also have same feeling about most of women BUT i have to be honest with my self and other and say, my Mother , my Wife and most of my relatives ( Woman) are NOT feminists, men users, women who put down men etc,but that might be because i m from South Europe (Mediterranean) and i do feel lucky to live here. Greetings.

[@Trancedd]

This sounds to me like the work of a lone reporter than the entire organisation, and can only really be considered representative of such. As I said in another post, the BBC and channel 4 are both ran by the government Department for Digital, Culture, Media & Sport, whilst the BBC World Service is ran by the Foreign Office. Seriously, just check their government webpages... they don't talk about that when they call it an the Bastion of independent journalism and reporting. That said, it doesn't meant that every single thing they publish is necessarily policed or vetted to fit their agenda (in a sense), but generally their agenda is roughly that of the government, even if they seem to oppose the government (or play along in the left vs right pantomime) on certain generally minor issues.

[@robfrog5118]

@@ballkans i yo l i mil to

[@ewengarrod2198]

I really enjoyed this but, Jesus, I wish someone would've congratulated the lad who was in a gang, left school with no GCSEs and went on to get a law degree. Astonishing effort.

[@68blackhawk22]

Yeah, they just glazed right by him. Actually didn't even let him finish talking about the book he wrote.

[@nancymargried]

Agreed. I am in awe.

[@jfriggin]

Combing thru the comments now looking if anyone has the title of his book! Astonishing and heartening to see people exceed their circumstances like that, truly inspiring story.

[@68blackhawk22]

@@jfriggin it is in one of Jordan Petersons podcasts.

[@user-or4ut2qi3q]

Damn how did he manage that? Don't you have to fund yourself to study law?

[@jenniferburney7184]

This actually had me tearing up. Our boys/men need to hear these things. As a woman, I hate seeing our men told that their masculinity is bad. I love what a man brings to the table and it only compliments what women bring. Our differences make us stronger together. Be proud of your manhood and if a woman is offended that you opened the door for her as a gentleman, you don’t need her.

[@JTorres719]

Credit to BBC for long format interview without editing and antagonistic interviewer

Fuck off slow boy.

[@ReasonAboveEverything]

Seán O'Nilbud Woah, we have an keyboard warrior here.

[@markopetricek4630]

@@ReasonAboveEverything Yeah,watch out. They are dangerous

[@peacemaker6662]

And people say he's a fraud... none so blind!!!! I'm 60 and he didn't tell me what I should think.... he echo's what I have brought my 4 daughters up to believe. Take responsibility and don't be a victim.

[@wolfsden6479]

There are a lot of people thanking the BBC ,but it is more the interviewer that we should appreciate.

[@janetwilliams5765]

Thank you EVERYONE for helping me know how to help my young son.

[@stopscammingman]

You are one great person, I wish you and your son the uttermost best in life.

[@janetwilliams5765]

stopscammingman honestly it’s SO hard to know what to do! the books don’t help and I’ve been for years searching. Thank you for your kind words x

[@densonfletcher8612]

I am a single father of a daughter, this helps me know what I need to be and be seen as by my darling to know in the future how to define a real man from a wimp but also not fall for abuse.... thank you doc!!!!

[@2ears1mouth786]

"If you really want to punish someone, punish them for their virtues." Nietsche. Some heck of a deep quote!

[@irishpolish80]

Toxic masculinity, and claiming that Western Civilization is an oppressive patriarchy, are perfect examples of punishing men for their virtues. If the above is true, then men who want to find their place in the world are just perpetuating the oppressive patriarchy. If the above is true, then men who set and reach their goals are "toxic". This quote by Nietzsche is prophetic, which isn't surprising because it's Frederick Nietzsche haha he's probably the most prophetic philosopher I've ever read.

[@manfrombritain6816]

@@irishpolish80 great observation

[@CJ-ft9yo]

It is a deep quote, I wonder about acts of kindness, often overlooked, taken for granted and sometimes seen as a weakness ...

[@Izzy_iz_tired]

I love everything about this. The BBC should do more things similar to this. I think people would actually want to watch it.

[@Trancedd]

I only found out recently but the BBC is actually ran by The Department for Digital, Culture, Media & Sport, as is channel 4. The world service is ran by the foreign office. As such, the BBC will change little, unless it's inline with government agenda. From the gov UK world service page: "The BBC World Service (BBCWS) is the world’s leading international radio broadcaster, providing impartial news reports and analysis in English and 27 other languages. BBCWS is a public corporation of the Foreign & Commonwealth Office." Says a lot.

[@taylorscott8758]

This CONVERSATION is extremely REFRESHING. Thank you!

[@chemicalimbalance7030]

Taylor Scott you mean because women’s voices aren’t represented??????

[@taylorscott8758]

@@chemicalimbalance7030 I'm referring to the content :)

[@Milanvaneijk]

I am only 6:30 in. But I have to say. BBC, YES! Finally, mainstream understanding long-form content. Also shoutout to Nihal Arthanayake this is indeed a fucking great idea!

[@WakarimasenKa]

To be honest.. BBC and other channels like it, invented long-form content. But they have abandoned it for the most part.

[@michaeljohnson7929]

Wakarimasenka was mainly because of television schedules. 5 minute slots etc.

[@Patrick-vh5nr]

Milan van Eijk yeah credit where credit is due. For once this is not a bbc hit piece, usually two feminists and a SJW presenter will ask Peterson or whoever ‘why are men bad?’ And ‘why do you support racism?’ It’s not the case here. I am surprised. But I have heard Nihal in interviews etc a few times regarding ‘hate speech’ Tommy Robinson etc and he is a certified mangina. I really would prefer not hearing his voice.

[@gusbenusa]

THIS is the conversation around masculinity feminists can never facilitate

[@suesjoy]

Heilig_andere which is very sad. I hope they watch this .

[@zoeblake6740]

I’m a feminist and I’m not sure what you mean? I want men and women to be empowered and neither gender to be oppressed. That is the definition of feminism.. equality of the sexes. That should not create conflict.

[@zoeblake6740]

Neil Mcintosh I’m a feminist and champion this conversation and movement.

[@gusbenusa]

Zoe Blake please read critiques of feminism. We are not woman haters. We believe feminism has a woeful understanding of human nature and it’s consequences will lead to untold horrors. This isn’t even an exaggeration.

[@alphonsetram1]

@@zoeblake6740 Oh yeah right, feminism is about equality of the sexes.. Sure...

[@georgeh8937]

To any Peterson detractors: how many times have you gotten “thanks for helping” from strangers? Leftists slapping each other on the back in echo chambers doesn’t count.

[@Thagros]

Oof. Some on the truths in this hit me hard. Thanks to people like JP, I'm pulling myself out of the emotional sandpit I grew up in. I'm 37 but it's still working. It's not too late. Thank you, BBC, seriously.

[@Utoko]

plz don't generalize and put all woman in that category. If you do that you are not better.. Together is the way forward and in the past.

[@mgtowbooboo8530]

@@Utoko Generalizing women is the least of men's problems. We have bigger fish to fry than to try and save women's feelings about stuff that they have done. Women already get the benefit of the doubt just for being women. The fact that women let it get this far without fighting their ass off to save men and the fact that people like you are still worried about their feelings above all when it is men who are doing way more of the suffering tells me we still have a long way to go. Women demonize all men all the time and get away with it. Let's talk about men's issues for once without constantly diverting our attention to the small minority of women who may be uncomfortable when there are legions of men being tortured.

[@mgtowbooboo8530]

@@Utoko Read "The Rational Male" AWALT

[@blurgle9185]

@@mgtowbooboo8530 "You need to learn that all of what has happened is not your fault" Isn't JP all about personal responsibility?

[@jaymanly8018]

NPC simp detected.

[@we3kbb]

This format is so different from what I've seen before. I really enjoyed it.

[@roxyc5345]

There is a show on SBS in Australia called, ' Insight'. This format is very similar; I wouldn't be surprised in the least if this interview style was drawn from that programme.

[@jamesblack8173]

This is amazing. Each one of those guys is a hero.

[@fu6817]

They can barely keep themselves from hurting other people. If they're heroes then i'm a god.

[@modano182]

I'd love to see some left wing ideologues watch this to try and find the "male privilege" in this room. So happy to see the BBC give Peterson a platform instead of trying to demonise him - the man is a force to be reckoned with in the most positive manner possible.

[@xandercorp6175]

Don't underestimate end-of-the-road, hyper-possessed, hardened ideologues - they could pluck out both eyes for their ideology and swear up and down to everyone they meet how they see now better than ever, all thanks to ideology X. It's the young ones that can still go either way that we need to save.

[@AJ-ds5gf]

fantastic conversation and a special thank you to Nihal Arthanayake for conducting the conversation so artfully by allowing everyone's voice to be heard.

[@TimBitts649]

Being a good journalist means knowing when to say something, when to shut up and listen. He speaks very well, and he can listen and let others talk. Well done.

[@tjk355]

This is a brilliant format. Well done BBC.

[@MrXMysteriousX]

Just wanted to say i'm glad theres still good people in the BBC not ideologically possessed. You set this talk up with no bullshit,just an honest frank discussion with emotions not hidden. Its exactly what it needed to be-no virtue signalling,no fake moral grandstanding,no patronizing "men have no problem due to patriarchy" bullshit. If we simply had more of THIS then society can start coming together again.

[@wendyparsons2980]

+English Teacher seems to me he may have found some hope. Your take on things, I'm sure, is appreciated and ingested with a grain of salt. Do try and look for things around you to help uplift and encourage you.

[@ecklunddavid]

Very thankful to the BBC for having sensible, empathic commentary for a change.

LOL you childish dunce.

@English Teacher You stupid fucking idiotic gullible freak.

[@thewatercarrier1]

@ Ah Sean, I see you, not everyone is ignoring you. Do you want a hug? Bless.

[@hellscream991]

They should make a statute in honor of Jordan Peterson

[@jonb12321]

Inscribe it with 'Righting Western Civilisation'.

[@kylemundy8871]

They built one here in Canada, where he's from. It's right outside the university he was fired from for not calling people an alligator if they choose to be addressed as an alligator

[@oliverhopkins8074]

Statute is a law. Statue is a sculpture / effigy. I'd argue statute is the relevant one

[@CardizoneSemblance]

I think he'd prefer a statue to the values he talks about.

[@mrjohnnybond]

Jordan Peterson has helped me put my life on track, cleaning up my act, stopping drugs, taking responsibility and seeing the real values of the world! THANK YOU!

[@tarey05]

Good for you!

[@luckyvet]

Ahem...'cough'....on occasion I get a tear in my eye when Peterson gets emotional. There is nothing weak or effeminate about this. Makes us love him more because we know he's authentic. Great group of guys!

[@jaye3547]

There's just something about the way these guys conduct themselves. I have a feeling that every man in that room would be exactly the type of person you call on when you need real help. As an aside, this is the type of content I don't mind my licence fee going on.

[@adagal13]

Wow, BBC shedding a fair light on Dr Peterson. Maybe there is hope after all.

[@kpjlflsknflksnflknsa]

When I first got into boxing, I loved the training but couldn't get my head around the respect thing. I thought the coach was a prick for coming down hard on me to stop messing around or fighting with some of the lads. And even led to a few confrontations between us. I found it difficult to adjust because until that point I'd never had any positive intervention in my life. Just getting in trouble with authorities or neglected by the ones who are meant to shape you. That is why I had built up a defence and a bad attitude towards everyone. But I am glad I swallowed my pride. Today, my coach is one of the most important people in my life. It took a while but I understand that he was trying to mould a better version of me and respect was a big part of that. Not just my respect for him but respect for myself. Boxing has since become a big part of my life and its help me improve my physical and mental health. I've made great friends through it and it even gave me the confidence to pursue my professional ambitions and get a long term girlfriend. I love this sport.

[@suesjoy]

Read me, delete me lickety-split well done! 👍🏻🌟👍🏻

[@pfw4568]

I would like to do that. But i am a bit anxious about going there. Any tips?

[@TheRedhenProductions]

P/FW You’re going there to be remoulded, make it a goal to not quit no matter how hard it is, how much it hurts or how tired you are. Pay attention to the technique involved in learning the fundamentals (ie: first I need to twist this foot by this much and then my hips, rotate my shoulder and extend my fist), and never feel like you have them fully down, you can always improve. And go in with the knowledge that if you are determined YOU WILL get better, in that sense it’s the same as any skill. Good luck

[@tammys8711]

You chose to get your pride in check and listen, it's the beginning of wisdom. Jordan Peterson is another man that can help you become the best man you can be. Best wishes to you and your future self.

[@jamestodd1104]

P/FW The biggest thing a coach is looking for in the first session is heart. Don't quit, try your hardest and you will earn respect and your place in the gym

[@pauldiezel4584]

This is going to to touch so many men and improve them at a fundamental level. Well done BBC. It takes balls in this political climate to do this. You've reached a hand out to the hopeless and given them hope.

[@iniamaegbe225]

I do call the BBC fake news but this is a rare event when the BBC get something right and productive

[@johnnydi2231]

Ini Amaegbe EXACTLY! ....I feel exactly the same. And I think they've gotten more, positive feedback from this than from most of their videos. Hopefully they realize that & learn?! 🙂

[@ballkans]

@ What's the reason you're so sad and angry my friend?

[@erllar2980]

@ You need a nappy you grumpy Lil guy?

@Anon 1 Learn to spell you dumb animal.

[@tsmay4598]

Some of you people who call the BBC fake news should try following news in the USA.

[@64kdawg]

Professor, this is amazing. Good bunch of lads. Keep fighting, keep training boys.

[@MrMartijo]

My God it feels good hearing him being able to publicly, and in person, have a real discussion with real men!

[@paxnorth7304]

When people read the Beatitudes, and they read 'Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth', they often don't understand that the work 'meek' is translated from the Greek work 'praus' , which was a description of wild horses that had been tamed, and could be used in battle. The idea of it being 'wild strength under control for a higher purpose'.

[@fspees]

Common theme: Each young man shared their obstacle, their struggle in the chaos that confronted them...then they engaged in a structured positive communal “gang” of encouragement via something they were innately good at...which filled them with hope, meaning and purpose....and the most beautiful part is that it compels them to reach backward to share & inspire others at the infancy of another’s struggle. This recipe desperately needs to be foundational in education, athletics, religion, business & politics...and we see first hand what happens when it is not. Great piece BBC.

[@carlotapuig]

This talk was positive beyond belief. Western civilization must finally put an end to pathological feminism and its abuse of young boys such as the ones in this video.

[@suesjoy]

carlotapuig yes, but the idea of pathological feminism never entered this conversation

[@Oldlard]

@@suesjoy It did a lot, you must have missed it.

[@carlotapuig]

Sue DeSimone , some of these young men were victims of (pathological) feminism when they were little boys. Re-watch the video and listen carefully to their stories.

[@iand7475]

He saved me

[@Julian-bq9qv]

THIS is so touching - heart touching, uplifting... to see these young men finding their way almost brings a tear to my eyes, because in the work I did for many years, I saw SO many young men whose lives were in ruins because of their past, having no guidance, no one to teach them. God bless them all!!!

[@Emilysafe]

My heart is so soft & swollen right now. So much love for the Doc & these lads ♥️

[@TheModernHermeticist]

tldr: enforced weakness is not equivalent to peaceful coexistence

[@letsomethingshine]

Someone's been enforced to be weak? When and Where? And I better not hear from any of the feminists and egalitarians.

[@flamefusion8963]

@@letsomethingshine the school system is a good example of enforced weakness. It teaches boys to not be violent or aggressive instead of how to control such tendencies into something positive.

[@KA24DERACER]

@@flamefusion8963 Even worse than just suppressing aggression and violence is the stifling of competitive instinct and drive. Not to mention the imposition of feminine-oriented behavioral standards which includes the removal of competition and any form of aggression, but also forcing boys to sit still for hours on end in the classroom, removal of any and all hands-on or kinetic learning, the constant reduction of recess as well as PE/sports, the complete abolition of any and every form of self-governing by children being replaced by forcing them to have adults solve every dispute, the removal of most books and media that boys typically enjoy (Treasure Island as an example) as they are too "violent" then replacing them with media that girls typically enjoy (Little House on the Prairie, etc), the shift from grades being based mostly on tests (which boys love as it allows them to prove their knowledge as well as compete among themselves for the best scores) to being based mostly on homework (which favors girls as boys mostly find it repetitive and boring along with having no competitive value), and on, and on, and on. This is all just in schools as well. The same thing is happening in business settings, as Human Resource departments are starting to push policies that enforce non-competitive behavioral standards for collaborative projects/meetings/etc, and all sorts of similar things are cropping up everywhere.

[@jonb12321]

@@letsomethingshine Encouraging dependency, resentment and utopian ideas is fostering weakness. Accepting responsibility, carrying out the hard work of building real competence, and understanding that we are all capable of good and ill - accepting that the world is flawed, as a starting point - the opposite.

[@Moneyman-33]

The Modern Hermeticist Enforced weakness sounds like a paradise for the pedophile Rothschilds who rule the world. What better than a world of men who do not stand up for what’s right if you’re truly evil. If you’re are good and you stay silent you are complicit in the theft of our society by degenerates.

[@tcoss]

This is spectacular.

[@Tophe]

My dad worked with Nihal on 5 Live. Lovely genuine bloke apparently and I think it comes across.

[@MasterArtMason]

OK wait, this is an intelligent interview, with an intelligent interview. Is this NOT AGAINST BBC policy?

[@hamesansyiem1841]

There's still hope...very little though

[@allolp]

@Steven Moore How do you know? Jordan doesn't want to talk about demographic replacement and iq, so we don't really know what he thinks about that.

[@WowThereBuddy1]

I’m a socialist and I’m fond of post modernism. So I’m not really someone Peterson is a big fan of, but I still understand his concerns. I like a lot of his work on psychology and Jungian myth/narrative analysis. When it comes to politics, he can come off hyperbolic when discussing the left, but his sincere concerns seem real. He’s making similar criticisms that plenty of leftists have made. Chomsky, Orwell, Zizek, and even a lot of the Marxist authors over at the Zero Books publication. I think the neo-liberals complete dismissal of him as some “incel supporting pseudo academic” is about as ignorant as when the right calls anyone to the left of Ron Paul a Marxist. Despite my heavy disagreements with Peterson, I think he’s helping plenty of people. He has fans of all walks of life and I’ve seen people who’ve reunited and fixed relationships with their family and friends because of him. Ignore some of the hyperbolic nonsense and realize he’s helping people get their lives together. He’s not your enemy.

[@gerardmulder7656]

Fidelio good soul search he is not an enemy of any person, just of failed ideas.

[@hamesansyiem1841]

I like this! The right also tends to label all people on the left as retards. Even though i disagree with socialism and i don't think it's a good ideology i do respect your honesty.

[@Fudz4]

K but taxation is theft though 😘 👍

[@WowThereBuddy1]

Eagle 4 I can’t argue that. Libertarians are right from that point of view. I just tend to disagree with it. It’s no wonder I get along with Libertarians more than leftists. A lot of socialists are insufferable. Mainstream Liberals and Conservatives are also annoying. I’m more a fan of the principled Marxists over at Zero Books and the principled Libertarians over at AntiWar. Both of those communities are against the Puritan moral arguments of the whiny social justice types and religious fundamentalists. I think those two groups should talk more often, they have a lot of overlap. They both are against war and mass incarceration. They both hate the war on drugs in general. There needs to be more discussion between non moralistic principled people.

[@keenaneriksson6346]

I commend you sir. I love finding people who have actually analyzed their opponents and given them their due. It is uncommon. Thank you.

[@davidmorris3899]

Never too old to learn.....I am 54 and it has taken me this long to realise some very important aspects of my being.

[@SMRogers]

My earlier comment was made at the beginning of this interview. I just came to the end. I volunteer in a men’s prison and I so wish Dr Peterson’s message could be shown to these men.

[@amandafaulks2515]

That would be amazing!

[@mattroy3154]

This could make for a very interesting experiment. You should suggest it to your local university and warden to have a study organized.

[@jonb12321]

Try to organise it. If you can convince the prison authorities that it can only help, maybe you can make it work. You never know, the Guvn'r (or whatever they're called now) might be a JP fan but never thought of it. Not sure if you've seen much of his other stuff, like speech to the Oxford Uni.

[@-harrylime5854]

This is excellent. Very moving. Thank you.

[@jakecorynthian3516]

Very honest, open, candid, and courageous talk by these young men👍🏿 Also, just to point out an observation: the quality, tone and affect of the dialogue of this discussion is very different from some online “men’s rights groups”, “mgtow”, etc., which are underpinned by a lot of hatred and resentment. I hope people can see this distinction, and make the right choices. I also wish more spaces such as the ones created in the video above, could be devoted to help young men grow and develop. Keep up the good work guys, 👍🏿🙂

[@MrTimdog1985]

Yeah definitely, I think a lot of the online male response to the problems laid out in this video have been as wildly off the mark as much of the fruitier ends as feminism. This is the format that you change systems, you don't blame others, and you DEFINITELY don't blame groups of others. Work at becoming a better version of yourself, don't be afraid to seek guidance, anger is a short term solution to a long term problem. This was a remarkably positive video.

[@Forestgravy90]

Most MGTOW type groups are misogynists and lonely bitter men with anger and resentment at women and society, some factions are legitimate as Cassie Jaye’s redpill documentary showed. Of course there are issues and obstacles for boys and men as there are for women, some overlap, some are unique to either sex. The key is to address cause and effect regardless of who it is and any political ideology

[@hpholland]

Jake Corynthian totally agree. To be great men we don’t need hate for other humans. We each need a personal goal and in the process we need to voluntarily take responsibility for ourselves, families, and communities. There is no better thing we can do as men.

[@DrJams]

​@@Forestgravy90 MGTOW are not lonely bitter men. MGTOW simply ask the question why do you need a woman? It's a cost benefit analysis.

[@matthewcollins4773]

There wouldn't be so much resentment and anger if feminists and the like hadn't gone out of their way to shut down any challenge to their ideologies. I'm glad society seems to be waking up, but don't blame those who have had to endure the wilful blindness and hypocrisy for being angry about it.

[@theacm4741]

I'm a woman and I'm proud to say you're one of the person I admire the most these days and thank you Dr. Jordan Peterson for encouraging me to be better.

[@jk_ordeanneil3783]

Eat Sleep Peterson Repeat.

[@asgharbhatti9468]

Lobsters' algorithm

[@cmc6122]

That needs to be a t shirt.

[@graememorrison1380]

This definitely needs to be the next t shirt and an additional rule for life

[@sarai9076]

Eat Sleep Clean your room Repeat

[@arniemali]

Lol I like that.

[@C5Dynamite]

please Jordan, i need to sleep, you doing too much podcast. lol

[@yianpap6093]

@@23billiejean1 He should get some sleep indeed. In the other interview he says his all beef diet has enabled him to sleep less and that's a bit worrying.

[@GLOKD]

Nihal did a great job martialing and mediating this discussion.

[@Rebecca-hv2rb]

TO SEE A GROUP OF YOUNG ARTICULATE MEN, SHARING THEIR MINDS AND HEARTFELT TRUTHFULNESS GIVES ME HOPE FOR THE FUTURE!!!! These men are the leaders of our tomorrow! Amen and Amen

[@Matter_C]

I really feel that my license fee was well spent supporting this. Such a positive message for people about overcoming negativity with meaning and purpose. Those young men are a credit to themselves and big respect for their mentors, the presenter and Jordan Peterson for putting that together. Love it. More please.

[@audiorage82407]

Damn, this conversation was humbling. From the get-go I sensed that all these men had grappled with serious problems in their lives but came to find answers or solace in the lessons boxing taught them. They have that distinct sense of humble confidence that seems to come with that experience.

[@BroughPerkinsMedium]

I love when Dr. Peterson starts administering therapy to the bearded man who had lost his father as a teen... The men don't realize Dr. Peterson is giving him therapy and using his clinical expertise but he starts to untangle some things he determined that the bearded fella hasn't fully unraveled. It's inspiring to watch a doctor of so many years perform emotional surgery like this.

[@friscomorsegmail]

Well said and he did it because it was a kind/important thing to do. Much respect to Jordan and the work he is trying to accomplish. Much luck the men involved.

[@RudyMonte]

WOW! This was powerful. SO POWERFUL! Thank you for this

Can't pray your gay away.

[@deathkorps.ofkrieg424]

Can we please appreciate the host for a moment, how he didn't just stick himself in there and make time for his voice to be heard but rather he did his job and did it WELL and what we got was a healthy conversation about men, mental health, drive, triumphs, development, etc.

[@jeffreyoneill4082]

I wish the BBC would do more like this.

[@soubhagyamishra4326]

Man to man conversation, so good to see people talk and they engage with such positive impact, Jordan Peterson is a gem in today's society who gives the right thing in right way.Look forward to see more and more such heartily talks.

[@libraryofthemind]

LMAO the dynamic in the video between Jordan and the other men from the gym is awesome. This content is pretty fresh.

[@MrChickenstalker]

Jared Chan LMAO

[@xbavajee]

I think what peterson said at 30:00 is exactly what has made him so popular. For alot of people he's that person who's connected to the light at the end of the tunnel. Many of us don't have anyone in our lives who can point us towards that place and he's doing exactly that.

[@deanarmstrong1566]

Its good to see Peterson actually doing what he wants to do without political conflict becoming a part of it... And, I'm blown away that the BBC are involved.

[@James_I_Archer]

As a young man struggling with direction this has really helped

[@fozzydare7987]

One year on - I hope you are doingokay and still following this path :)

[@shawnski001]

I have to give credit where credit is due. Nihal Arthanayake did a wonderful job on this piece. From venue/participants to his moderation/questions. Tip my hat to you, sir. Well done.

[@kennyhay4462]

Looking at the previous interview JP had with Nihal etc. It seems as if Nihal has moved from a more combative standpoint and has been persuaded of JP's sincerity. This interview marks the first opportunity for JP to engage in meaningful dialogue as a learned mentor to be listened to on the BBC. This is a fundamental shift for the BBC and Nihal. Baby steps but the tide is turning!

[@jmcg1010]

oh wow. The BBC of all organisations actually did a meaningful interview with Peterson. Kudos.

[@teronjames7457]

again.....being a human is the best thing you could achieved.....yes life is suffering, paintful.....but look in the bright side The gods envy us. They envy us because we’re mortal, because any moment may be our last. Everything is more beautiful because we’re doomed. You will never be lovelier than you are now. We will never be here again.” ......from helen of troy

[@chimesmedia2331]

Nihal Arthanayake is easily my favourite presenter. If the BBC had more like him, it would become watchable again.

[@Erniebern06]

Damnit BBC, why you gotta make me like one of your videos?

[@tallmikeholley]

This is FANTASTIC! Such a good interview. Thank you for sharing this!

[@philippeleduc9464]

You were in SWP in 2016 ? I was in the Quebec division. Well, you watch good content!

[@tallmikeholley]

@@philippeleduc9464 hey man! YES! Great minds think alike ;) How have you been? Hit me up on FB: facebook.com/tallmikeholley

[@everyman1]

This guy is on fire! Fitting location.

[@whitexchina]

Finally a good & useful show!

[@ThomasJakobMusic]

Jordan Peterson may very well be saving a big deal of the current generation.

[@K.R.O1875]

I love Nihal Arthanayake. We need more of him. More importantly, the BBC need more people like him. And not just confined to radio or online. A patriot for Sri Lanka and Britain, a true unifier of cultures. The sort of thing the BBC _pretend_ to be for. A man who genuinely wants the best for people and doesn't go out of his way to misrepresent, manipulate or strawman people he disagrees with.

[@alibukarmele5117]

What a very nice nugget of wisdom for me. Controlled anger and aggression inhibit fear and anxiety. As one is prone to be in situations of fear is important for one to learn to control their outburst and irritations. One or the other, they are bound to manifest. Sometimes i tend to alternate between being anxious and being unneccessarily aggresive.

[@davidkonevky7372]

Seeing Jordan Peterson cry is so refreshing honestly, it shows how he's still human and isn't perfect

[@pontusvarghav4566]

Finally someone who actually listens to what Jordan has to say, great initiative there from BBC.

[@amrak-8401]

Dr. Peterson, live long and live well for the world needs you more now than ever. GOD BLESS YOU and we are praying for you.🙏

[@58frascatti]

This video is absolutely inspiring. The folks who give so much of their time and energy to offer encouragement and direction to kids in their communities are nothing short of heroes. Honestly, I'd begun to believe that BBC had completely gone down the rabbit hole but it seems there are still amazing people there who have their eyes on the ball and it gives me much needed hope that things can get better. Imagine how many more young men could access more fulfilling ways to live if there were more who genuinely cared and reached out to them. Thank you Nihal Arthanayake and Jordan Peterson for showing us that there is a way forward and that individual effort can produce amazing results. I am not religious, but I can't help remembering words of an old song, attributed to Jesus - "I will make you fishers of men", and that's exactly what the people running that gym are doing - saving young men from hard lives, one at a time.

[@linjubar]

It’s good to see JP use his talent and wisdom in such a personal and practical manner, and actually sit face to face with people who have improved their life. One thing that struck a nerve with me is the guy at the end who said how we treat boys turns to anger and electing Trump. This is absurd. Maybe men AND women elected Trump because they were fed-up with Leftist and PC politics, and we don’t want to turn our country into a police state like the U.K. So far, we don’t send the police to people’s homes based on a Twitter or FB post, or call stating facts a “hate crime.” This is what happens in Britain, and we don’t want this Orwellian State here.

[@Premofost]

EXACTLY, it struck a nerve with me aswell. I mean the guy was blatantly trying to virtue signal, without even understanding basic concepts. Like he threw the word fascism around like a fucking rubber toy. People like that, that dont even bother informing themselves and that dont bother looking for the truth or understanding concepts necessary for truthful speech are one of the greatest threaths for humanity.

[@tomwhitcombe7621]

Yeah that annoyed me a little. "Men get angry then vote for politics that I disagree with". Other than that I liked what he had to say though

[@seanbryant3185]

Wow. A fair representation of Peterson. No slander, no character assassination, no shaming, no grandstanding, no forcing a political agenda, just genuine content. Great job.

[@JoJeck]

For the first time in a long time the BBC produced a program I approve of. The License fee I am forced to pay every year is an unfair tax, but at least I got a little value for once.

[@danielleggett5777]

Please air this on TV in a Primetime slot. More people need to see this.

[@leakybean501]

Rarely do I congratulate the BBC for their content but this deserves a massive thumbs up, its a shame that this message isn't more prevalent on the channels