Jordan Peterson - A Sad Story About Living With OCD

[@bearbots3346]

Note: I am a huge fan of Jordan Peterson, love his lectures. One of the things he does not mention with OCD is it' not just physical things like washing hands, etc. It can also be thoughts, and thoughts alone. I know this because i suffer from it. Good lecture though.

[@tauhidal-farook4548]

One of the biggest parts of OCD is the mini control scenarios people put themselves through with numerical patterns and whatnot. That has nothing to do with disgust.

[@luthmhor]

Agreed, he doesn’t go over that at all. OCD is a vary complex disorder with many facets. I’ve met a psychologist who specializes in OCD thinks OCD people have haywire protective mechanisms in their brains that work too well. She has experienced that OCD people are generally very intelligent and have wonderful brains, but the fight or flight response is messed up.

[@EMETRL]

it's probably just your OCD talking, but nowhere in the video does Jordan claim that this case study contains an exhaustive list of OCD symptoms

[@davidhoban3281]

All good points (even the last one though there was no need for the 'it's probably your OCD talking' bit)....OCD is a chameleon and comes in so many different guises. My obsessions are fear and anxiety based and the compulsions to relieve those fears are mainly mental although they also spill out into physical ones as well. After suffering horribly for years an intensive therapy of CBT and ERP has given me stretches of freedom I thought were lost for good. I now have hope because I have experienced it. If anyone here has or is going through ERP (exposure and response prevention) then it is hell at the time but it is worth it. Here is a link people might like on the role of treatment in mainly mental rituals....www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/think-act-be/201601/mental-rituals-in-obsessive-compulsive-disorder%3famp

[@Airbourne92]

bear bots334 search for 'the school of life pure OCD' on KZbin. Watching that helped me enormously.

[@michellecannizzo2665]

Living with OCD is like living in a puzzle where one piece is missing and, every time you find that missing piece, another one goes missing. Always striving to fix something but never able to. That’s the best way I can describe it.

[@LiliLawless]

That is exactly what it feels like for me. Sometimes I think I myself am a puzzle piece. Trying to make myself fit into a socially acceptable mold, feeling restraint. Only to discover that I'm a stray piece in the box of a puzzle I wasn't a part of to begin with.

[@iharantsoaambinina4727]

It's turtles all the way down ...

[@sauldownbadman876]

Michelle Cannizzo very good way of explaining ocd

[@Donutello712]

Because perfection is impossible

[@danascully1248]

Oh My goodness yes! Like you get rid of one obsession and another one takes its place!!

[@noaffiliation-x8w]

OCD Destroyed my relationship. A lot of people just associate OCD with a need to be tidy but thats just one umbrella. Mine comes in the form of intrusive and unwanted thoughts and it always attacks the ones close to you. It can be crippling to say the least.

[@CC-uq7cv]

How are you today?

[@savy1917]

IKR it's just like it uses everything that you really love and everything you totally despice and use it against you

[@HyperLuminal]

You have no idea how much I emphasize with you. I had a decent enough childhood, some poverty and adversity, lost apparent young, but I met all the right milestones, found success in school and sport, but then in early adulthood I became an addict. Then, when I got sober in my mid twenties, found some success and the OCD hit like a train. I’m married with a child, and currently the disorder is destroying my relationships. The raging and apologizing is a hallmark of mine, spend hours each day cleaning house, cars as well, so much that I sometimes have no time for anything else. I’m a nervous wreck, I often don’t want to leave for “fear” of the “mess” I will have to fix, and the variables of the world. I sometimes avoid eating for the same reasons. I agonize over everything, right down to the “straightness” of an item in the fridge. I make it hard for my loved ones to live, as they rightfully feel imprisoned, and often spend much time away from home, and myself. I go through phases, where I seem to be getting better, but then it surges worse than before. I feel a great sympathy for you and empathize with you experiencing similar struggles. Here’s to hoping we can both find a modicum of peace and serenity.

[@kylox6940]

Where there is no intention there is no mortal sin

[@ferrisbueller9991]

It really is the more common face of ocd

[@Drumzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz]

"they had sympathy for the dog but no sympathy whatsoever for the guy" Welcome to 2019. Sad.

[@user-is3yn7xr4c]

Like they say: "Too much of anything is bad". Too much of sympathy is also bad

[@veganworldorder9394]

What's wrong with caring more about dogs than humans ?

[@shadowdawns889]

@@veganworldorder9394 tell that when people choose to save your dog's life rather than saving yours

[@veganworldorder9394]

@@shadowdawns889 I may not be happy but my dog certainly would. Why should we care more about my preferences than the one of the dog

[@lourenssianturi4373]

I think what jordan peterson said is, dont treat human worse than animal, and treat animal, more than your kids, parents best friend etc. You humanize animal, but dehumanize human.

[@ENGW1SH]

OCD is like having two brains: a “normal” brain and an OCD brain. Think of OCD as a separate entity; you are not your thoughts. People with OCD have the same thoughts as people with “normal” brains, but our brains get stuck in an uncontrollable loop we can’t stop. It is uncontrollable because no amount of reassurance from someone else or self-rationalizing will help. Understandably, it may be hard for people to fathom unless they have experienced something similar. Imagine if someone says: ‘try not thinking about a pink elephant for one minute.’ Of course, it is very difficult to not think about a pink elephant. Now, imagine instead of a pink elephant, it’s a thought that makes you feel startled or scared all day long. Combine those feelings with a sadness so deep, you don’t want to wake up anymore.

[@LolSnimci]

IT feels like you are living into 2d dimension.

[@shreyastasamal3549]

Did you try to meditate or give yourself counter-routines?

[@LolSnimci]

@@shreyastasamal3549 Changing the enviroment helps.I went to live in new country with new people.I had to stop doing my rituals in front of them.It was the best choice i have ever made.If i stayed in my home i would never learn the belief "i am not my thougths".I had to let it go,i had to give a chance to new me.It was painfull but iv learned how to observe it from neutral point.Doxy meditation video first with alpha brain waves 10hz and siting in beautifull new enviroment.Latter on i found out about spme great channels such as Aaron Doughty,such as Dr Dispenza.Ita helpfulk

[@lopz2264]

you definitly hit the nail on the head with your description

[@vexelreglage]

Jordan's vids have probably taught me more than what I've learned from any person in real life

[@jorenbaplu5100]

That's what they are for right?

[@wulvershon8948]

Vlad Xavier damn

[@yashodakrishna2351]

That's very unfortunate imo

[@allisnotwhatitseems.]

Me too my friend. Me too. I now value myself and will never allow lesser people make me feel otherwise.

[@lordfeder3559]

I feel that if psychology would be considered more fundamental for everyday life, maybe more studied by everyone, people would just grow wiser and with the right knowledge to overcome problems of life.

[@brandonbooth5069]

Has anyone noticed that people nowadays constantly claim to have OCD because they organized one thing or are a little clean? It drives me nuts and delegitmizes people that actually have it. If you want to know what actual symptoms of OCD are, plenty of the comments below explain far more common, less extreme examples of OCD compared with the story depicted in the video.

[@Samanthax1221]

sure i agree my sister has ocd and its crazy,

[@Jim-lr1zg]

Yeah, this drives me nuts, too.

[@patrickbateman4541]

Brandon Booth it ruins your life or hinders you from living, thats ocd...

[@Adam-bq2vw]

Brandon Booth Like me. Pure O.

[@gingerdeladis31]

Yeah, they have no fucking idea. It's screwed my life up beyond description. I have literally given up trying to get anyone to understand; because certain phobias, intrusive thoughts, ruminations, checking rituals & otherwise, debilitating attention to details and the mess my OCD has generally caused over the last two decades are so entrenched, long-standing, or so wildly complicated, that it's easier to keep everyone at arm's length. They don't get it. Hand-washing is only a good example of ONE crippling symptom it can cause (and that's not to dismiss hand-washing as a debilitating problem for some OCD sufferers). Just one. There are many others. MANY others !!!! Jesus, just look at the state Howard Hughes was in before he died !

[@TheMarkusFIN]

I have had a formally diagnosed obsessive compulsive disorder since I was 14. It is a complete nightmare. From fears of being contaminated, which would drive me to wash my hands 40-80 times a day till they were bleeding to horrifying mental images of becoming a criminal and being sent to prison. The worst part, the one no-one talks about, is the fact that when you succeed in winning one compulsion another one comes in and takes it's place. So I have propably been able to succesfully overcome around ten to fifteen different specific forms of OCD and it was always a matter of time before I became plagued by another one. It makes life a living hell. Nothing matters except you trying to get rid of that anxiety before it overwhelmes, engulfs and destroys everything you care about.

[@adamhonestyanddecency5054]

Anyone else ever notice that 99℅ of the OCD discussions and portrayals we see in media are NOT about people with "Pure-O?" I'm in an OCD support group, and I'd say fully 1/3 of the people have no external compulsions. I have Pure-O and can't stand to watch or read stuff about OCD, because I know I'll be disappointed for that reason. It's a truly silent epidemic.

[@airlopez21]

Yes I agree. My OCD is mostly mental and often has nothing to do with the outside world. I have some physical compulsions but they're not too severe and never really bothered me. It's the mental loops about highly unlikely hypothetical scenarios that drive me nuts.

[@yark618]

Yep. And I feel like if we account for pure o, we would find that ocd is a much bigger problem than the currently expected figures are. I found out I had it just recently after the symptoms flared up, but it haunted my whole life in the background.

[@leachy114]

I problem with OCD is people who don't have it can't really empathize with it at all. No one can truly understand what's it like having to think something irrational, know it is irrational in of itself, and then even though you realize all this you still have the anxiety and fear over it. It's silent because people who have to deal with it are alone in the fight, It's almost poetic in a horrifying way.

[@dbmail545]

OCD has a positive selective effect in the environment in which we evolved. I think all of us have it to some extent but it only becomes a problem in first world situations.

[@junebug241]

Whoa whoa whoa, hold up. I agree that pure-o needs more attention but saying that those who have pure-o suffer more than those with compulsions is a really inconsiderate thing to say and totally disregards the suffering we also go through. Having OCD is not a competition and people who experience compulsions are not “cool kids” because they get more media attention (which is as a whole very inaccurate and is as harmful to people with compulsions as it is to those with pure-o). What I mean to say is, we’re in this together, regardless of the specifics of our disorders. We suffer from the same disorder, just different strains, and we each have our different battles to go through. Anyways, I hope that you win your battle, and best of wishes.

[@chrisbannu7443]

I'm no psychologist, but as someone who has OCD among numerous others, I think it's more related to fear, and the need to minimize risks. Something like "I'll close this door for 3 times, just to be on the safe side. I'm aware that it might not make any difference how many times I close it, but why take any chances?"

[@shimblypibbins]

It is rooted in fear

[@CreepyHandedMan]

Yes. And the loop comes from self-questioning. If you close the door and even film the damn thing, it doesn't matter because who's to say you didn't do a move after filming it that inadvertently opened that door? So you go check. And you can't just push the door to see if it's closed because what if it can open once you stop pushing? Gotta redo all the steps. It's like trying to prove something unfalsifiable, you got your hypothesis but no amount of experimentation will ever prove anything.

[@kaybee9156]

This is such a sad disorder. There needs to be more awareness surrounding OCD. So many suffer in silence battling daily. With more awareness it can be picked up quicker and not left to get worse. Life's experiences can feed the OCD fire or contain it, the earlier it's picked up the better quality of life one can have

[@gingerdeladis31]

This isn't entirely accurate. I have completely debilitating, life-limiting, life-destroying OCD; and it is mostly centred around intrusive thoughts, phobias, a debilitating need for routine and rigid, fixed ideas about an illusive state of ''perfection''. That's a summing up. But I would not say that a disgust impulse drives it. I am sure that is true for some people with OCD, but many people with OCD have ruminations and intrusive thoughts too.

[@blinkth3dog]

Ellen Jamieson that's pure OCD diff than ritual ocd

[@akaashnidhiss9433]

Try having a ritual of going to the gym. I attempted suicide 4 times but I'm okay-ish now. Exercise has helped more than any med I've been on and I've been on anti-depressants and anti-psychotics and so many other meds I can't even remember.

[@chingo3387]

I have gay OCD the fear of being gay I controlled it for now. The intrusive thought has calmed down for now but i hope it does not come back like it did before.

[@snicker576]

Hey there, just wanted to say that I'm sorry that your OCD has gotten that bad... my OCD is also entirely based on irrational phobias, for one example out of thousands, I haven't even been able to eat a mushroom for years because I'm terrified that a poison one somehow slipped into the batch. Like I said that's just one phobia out of many, they really did run my life for a long time, but I've been putting a lot of work into it and my most extreme phobias are at least under control most of the time now. So as a fellow sufferer, there definitely is hope, I wish you the best

[@Anglisc1682]

Mine is exactly the same, judging by what you wrote. Anxiety and guilt drive mine. My OCD can 'convince ' me that I'm evil, I guess disgust comes under that but anxiety comes under the fear of going blind from toxoplasmosis, that's also one of mine

[@JR6593]

My aunt had very severe OCD for years started in her late 20s. Washing hands, endless showers, even using medical alcohol on everyone in her house..you name it. She overcame it. She took medications but according to herself, the real change came from her self talks into a new belief system. It was really something. I tell you guys this so if anyone of you still suffer, just know that a FULL and COMPLETE recovery is POSSIBLE! I have no doubt about it. It happened right in front of my eyes.

[@ultimatom9834]

what is the new belief system

[@hughg.rection7208]

Yea it’s easy to get over that type of ocd. No body gives a fuck if you gotta wash your hands a million times. Imagine fucking every minute of your life you are being tortured by a wve ik mind in your head telling you things your not. Making you think things you arent. Not to mention with the crippling feeling of doing a compulsion to relive the anxiety. Ocd is really about intrusive thoughts and constant torture. Takes ur will to live or do anything away. Anyone who has every expirenced ocd would probably say it is the worst mental issue out there because there is not break or time for relive. Your constantly in that state of mind and it never leaves you. Your always fixated on somthing that bothers you convincing yourself you are already whatever you fear or becoming. Death”everyone I love will die and so will I what’s the point of anything” except in the ocd state of mind this actually makes since. Then it switched topics when u overcome the other. Like if you live your hair best believe in a couple days or weeks your gonna so how or some way see hair loss even if it’s no excistent. But your mind will convince you you are and it’ll make all the sense. If you scared of being gay or not being straight I should say, best believe you will think your turning gay or even if you don’t question it every minute of your day doing compulsions to prove these things wrong. So don’t even say she had “severe” ocd cause what you explained is fucking nothing.

[@badraitbenbouchaib2196]

Thank you !

[@cclark3]

does she cite any specific self talk tools? I'm in this hell hole and I'd really appreciate any advice that isn't generic lol

[@RK-ig9ie]

@Cole Clarkson leave it in Gods hands, faith. If you believe he created you, then he can most definitely handle this. In your mind, talk with God and ask him to relieve you of this contract, if there is or was one. Ask him not to hit you with consequences of not going along with this behavior. Rationalize your way out and be disciplined about it. Dont let relapse throw you off course. Just keep at it.

[@VolcanicPenguin]

As someone with OCD I generally disagree, a lot of my rituals have to do with locking doors and making sure the stove and oven is off etc. It's mostly a disconnect between what I rationally know and what I feel, a paranoid insecurity. In other words, anxiety. Of course these different disorders intersect.

[@Thalanox]

lee comstock Well, I think that "disgust response" can mean more than just "this is gross, I have to clean it".

[@xavierosam3ngoenheswae377]

+Thalanox wrong.

[@Thalanox]

+Xavieros Falsename He's mentioned the disgust sentitivity when he was talking about how people filter huge volumes of information without thinking about it, in situations like remembering what someone's names are, or whether it's more polite to call someone wormself of mister. It's a defining trait of SJWs who "feel" rather than "think" about information.

[@astralacuity]

As Thalanox said, the scope of disgust includes what you mentioned. What's the feeling associated with not performing those rituals? It's difficult to pin down, but when the feeling generally consists of anxiety characterized by aversion, the term disgust is applicable. Outside of that scope, what is it you disagree with exactly?

[@xavierosam3ngoenheswae377]

The term "disgust" is not applicable when the aversion is not directed to a "distasteful" object. That is an essential condition, which definitely does not appear in all compulsions or obsessions. Strangely enough, almost all posters that are defending the idea of redefining "disgust", do not suffer from OCD, including the Doctor. To us, it's a clear case (the doc is wrong).

[@okeydokokey3575]

Hearing his voice shake broke my heart :(

[@introspectah]

I hear this crack in his voice so reguarly during many of his talks, mainly interviews. It's touching, endearing.

[@nintendude794]

Does 3:17 count? Or is that just stuttering?

[@nintendude794]

I heard it too. Don't remember when, though.

[@atl3ss3gb60]

3:35

[@okeydokokey3575]

At 3:49 he wipes a tear. Damn.

[@AManAnd88Keys]

As a clinical psychologist, I have to partially disagree with Dr. Peterson. OCD can have to do with disgust, particularly the washing / cleaning type Jordan mentioned in the video, but the main component from my perspective is anxiety. People with OCD have an intense need for security and control, they want to avoid some sort of damage that, to them, seems very likely to occur. The purpose of obsessive cleaning is to avoid contamination and infection. The purpose of checking if a door is properly locked, a window closed or an oven switched off is the same, to avoid damage (someone could break in, the house could burn down...). Peterson is not completely wrong however, that's why I said partially in my first sentence. There are several common forms of OCD, but basically all kinds of variations are possible and they are, at least in my experience, a reflection of a deeper lying problem the patient is struggling with. From that perspective, the OCD is a individual strategy to deal with a fundamental personal issue, and the mind resorts to obsession and compulsion in order to somehow remain stable and functioning. It's characteristic for OCD that the precautions taken to avoid bad things from happing take on absurd dimensions, and it's also the job of people like me to help the person suffering from OCD to find out, in detail, what the purpose of the disorder is; how it is rooted in the personality, how it is connected to recent (or not so recent) events and so on. If you are suffering from OCD, I strongly advise you to seek professional treatment. If you would like to understand your disorder better or if you know someone who is suffering from OCD and wants to have a better understanding of their condition, the following questions might be helpful (English is not my native language, I apologise if the questions sound slightly awkward): - When did the compulsive behaviour start for the first time? - Do you feel that the obsessive thoughts are your own and a product of your mind, or is someone or something else influencing them? (it's important to distinguish OCD from psychotic disorders) - Has there ever been a time when the OCD stopped or bothered you considerably less than usual? - When are you suffering the most? What circumstances in your everyday life are present when that is the case? (for example: problems at the workplace, partner / family issues... ) - What would be the benefits of you not succeeding in your controlling and obsessive behavior? For example, let's assume that the oven - despite you checking it 50 times a day - actually causes a fire and in consequence, your apartment burns out completely. Would there be anything positive to that? Or if you actually got sick from eating the fruit you cleaned for an hour, what would that lead to? (this question often seems ridiculous at first, but trust me, the answer(s) can be very interesting and insightful) Naturally there are many more questions one could ask, but those few are at least something to begin with.

[@Samanthax1221]

thanks my sister has bad ocd, and is constantly asking for reassurance, ... she will say something that is bothering her, then say,... do i need to worry about that?... everytime she talks to me i can feel the stress in my body, most of the time i have to have my headphones on, while she is talking so i can block out most of everything with music, until her lips stop moving then i will turn my music off, and say yes i heard you and no you dont need to worry,, because she always ends her monologue with, did you hear that, ... or do i need to worry about it, the headphones are a way of me coping but i dont see her improving, she has suffered with it for over a decade,...

[@erwindee7384]

Nick Halloway Maybe get her a boyfriend. I'm serious. I slowly got over it as my confidence grew through getting two girlfriends (one after the other, not at the same time, to be clear). Mine was very mild compared to your sister's, though, but it's worth a shot.

[@Samanthax1221]

lambert thanks for suggestion very interesting idea.

[@Wimpiethe3]

Nick Halloway As aman said; there is often an underlying factor. I myself have ocd, washing hands and avoiding dust, the latter can be quite life controlling let me tell you. It has been as bad to the point of getting a nervous breakdown. Anyway i've had therapy and am making headway again. Turns out i was emotionally locked up as a result of a nasty divorce between my parents, lawsuits and everything. My dad trying to destroy me emotionally because of his narcisism did not help either. This resulted in me focusing on things that gave me a way to relax; books, pc etc. I've come to the realisation that my ocd is mainly there to preserve those objects so i can relieve tension. That ofcourse creates more stress.... I made (aside from realising the underlying issue) progress the past months to revert quite a few of my obsessive behaviours on my own. So yeah im an example of ocd caused by a different reason than disgust. Fun times... Get your sis help if possible, i would strongly advise that as i would not have become better on my own.

[@deltaxcd]

I think anxiety may be not the main reason after all because in some cases it is not rational. like if you are checking your car each hour if it was not stolen when that car is worth less than a month of your income. I think I may have that disorder myself to some degree. It is not anxiety but actually unwanted attention towards something. when you just can't get it out of your mind something like catchy music playing in your head and its intensity can only be compared to moderate pain or itching which almost completely consumes all attention, OCD routine is just away to calm down those thoughts. I doubt if there is any cure possible. and wasting time/money on quacks will not be productive.

[@scramptha5949]

I have OCD but it has nothing do with cleanliness, It's definitely more of a stress disorder for me. I draw imaginary geometry based on the rectangular things in my environment and then I have to stay within the bounds of those rectangles, it's almost like Jack Nicholson from As Good As It Gets, but my cracks are imaginary.

[@dulcinea2515]

A lot of compulsions may seem insane or drug induced to the outsider who thinks it is all about germs and cleanliness. I'd say about 80+% of the OCD rituals are NOT about contaminations, for Christ's sake. People with OCD are simply more sensitive and acute to the political climate, or have this "sixth sense" intuition about things. Like societal or environmental induced neurosis, mulling around repressed or subconscious feelings. There are also a billion other factors: genetics and folk traumas (anyone else here German...?), heath, diet, nutrition, past traumas and PTSD, environmental, etc. There is NO simplifying OCD... such a big peeve!

[@scramptha5949]

Yeah that's pretty much been my experience with it

[@xavierosam3ngoenheswae377]

Funny thing a psychologist has such a wrong idea about OCD. I've it too (mild) and definitely it's not about contamination.

[@Chris_FMS_Redfield]

He's just describing a certain part of it.

[@xavierosam3ngoenheswae377]

Nope, that's not what he said.

[@Bushify13]

Most people have no idea that the actual condition is extremely serious and is almost incomparable to people who say "oh i'm a bit OCD" or "i'm OCD I like all my shoes in a particular order in my cupboard". OCD is incredibly disabling, it is honestly one of the worst mental illnesses and one of the worst illnesses altogether, including physical diseases, the WHO once classified severe OCD as one of the top 10 of the most disabling conditions/diseases. It can lead to depression, suicide, drug addiction, several stress-related physical diseases, chronic exhaustion and stress and cuts years off your life as well as getting in the way of almost everything good in life, a good career, good relationships, feeling content and fulfilled in life.

[@JJ-yu6og]

OCD isn't always about cleanliness. It's about obsessiveness, repeated pattern doing something over and over and over.

[@humToNoise]

2:43 Jordan Petersons greatest moment

[@BitesizedPhilosophy]

This one is still my number one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqSqc4KDnrdjncU

[@humToNoise]

Haha, that's great!

[@hoopyy782]

"unbelievable, eh?"

[@cruzinezy1968]

Unreal

[@sarah9900]

Can confirm. Lover of dogs and Jordan Peterson.

[@bangaboober]

Exactly. The thoughts are the worst. The most debilitating aspect of my life. I'd trade a million physical OCDs to just take away the thoughts. It's awful

[@MmmMulholland]

I have severe OCD and this really spoke to me. Nice one, Peterson.

[@Samanthax1221]

M M can ocd be overcome without medication, if so how

[@MmmMulholland]

Yes it can, Nick. It can be harder, but OCD - for most- is as Peterson says, a reaction to disgust and you have to unlearn it. First you tackle the anxiety and then you enter into ERP/CBT therapy. It's a slow process but it can help most. It's hard, too. Facing your biggest crutch/fear/obsession? That's a damn big dragon. I had severe and I mean severe anxiety for 15 years straight, but I don't have it anymore because I took Ashwagandha supplements and started going TM meditation on the 1 Giant Mind app. After all the SSRI's and therapy, those two things were my fix. Stopped the depression too, and the anger for me. It won't work for everyone but it's worth a try. Therapy and Mindfulness were key, too. But yeah, OCD is a JOB! to get rid of or even just reduce. But it is doable without meds, although easier on them.

[@Samanthax1221]

M M thanks for your detailed response, its very helpful.

[@mecapoonslayer4245]

I hear you man ive got ocd too it a fucking shit show I'm going insane.

[@RTCLR123]

I had panick attacks and multiple ocd. I think i cured it in a year while beeing in a very tough situation...it can be done but you need to want it like nothing.

[@vociferonheraldofthewinter2284]

When he spoke about the people who had all of the sympathy for the dog, but not for the broken human being, it broke my heart. How can people be so cruel? The man was trying to be well. That animal was *the* thing that was dragging him back from the abyss. He was inept, but not abusive nor neglecting. And the morons just couldn't leave well enough alone.

[@kazunabe4288]

How do you he wasn't abusive? Showing a dog sympathy does not equate having none for people.

[@TheHelghast1138]

I have OCD, and it can be a real struggle some days, in fact it took my brother's life. It is both a source of great strength, and great suffering, however the key is to find balance. I love all his videos! :)

[@vonbaconstien760]

Jordan Peterson is my homie!

[@sveha6271]

Bacon Von Baconstien after listening to JP for about a month this dude is now my favorite person on this earth

[@vonbaconstien760]

absolutely! I listen to him pretty much all day every day as much as possible. which is funny because I take psychology 101 next month... Hahahahaaa I think I am well prepared

[@Mareforyou]

i got you homie

[@alexandrucristian8797]

As much as I love Jordan Peterson, this ain't it. He forgot to explain about the anxiety in OCD.

[@nicholascusano96]

I am struggling to get through my freshman year of college right now. Jordan Peterson is one of the few people that I feel like understands people's problems without minimizing them. If anyone here has advice on getting through school with OCD I'd love to hear it, it's the worst I've ever felt. Thank you.

[@calebscoville2585]

It took me 6 years to get my bachelor's degree. I wish I would have paced myself easier and not taken on more than I could handle. Better 5 years than 6. A tortoise and the hare kind of situation. Being more social with others helped me - takes you out of your mind and grounds you in reality and reminds you of who you really are. And then obviously therapy. DON'T ENGAGE WITH THE THOUGHTS. I don't even try to label them anymore, I just give them nothing. Learn what your OCD state of mind is, not based on how you feel, but based on context - the thought patterns and cycles and themes will show when you're in an OCD state of mind. It will come and go as it pleases, but you'll avoid grief if you minimize attempts to control everything. If you wait and endure the anxiety, clarity can come surprising you later on. You have to try new things to get new results, and then you'll learn what works and what doesn't. And after saying all that, I don't have all the answers, but that's a start.

[@CynicalScientist261]

I really struggle with my ocd. I’m hands are cracked and sometimes weep. It’s not nice. It’s nice to see Jordan informing people about it though. Thanks man

[@ocdhelp]

Thank you for bringing more attention to OCD. It's very important to keep talking about it so people understand how serious it is and that it's not only about cleaning or organizing. It's a very serious mental condition that can take over teh person's life. Thank you for helping bring awareness.

[@parasitic15]

I disagree that OCD always stems from disgust. What about the people who can't stop checking that they've locked their door, or can't stop ruminating about something or someone to a severe extent?

[@erwindee7384]

Yeah, he got it wrong here. I guess he let his anecdotal experiences color his conclusions here.

[@grayfamily3585]

He didn't say it always stems from disgust, he said that it's connected with disgust and anxiety.

[@erwindee7384]

Gray Family "OCD...is *classified as an anxiety disorder* but there is an anxiety component to it but I *don't think that's an accurate classification.* I think that OCD is *actually a disorder of disgust...* The grooming behaviors and that sort of thing seem to be *more associated with the disgust system* and *almost everything about OCD has a disgust basis.* "

[@habibaduval9988]

I think it might stem from disgust with oneself; you want control, you cant get full control you're afraid and you feel feeble. That's a cocktail for disgust to be in the mix somewhere. I remember when i had compulsive thoughts i definitely felt an element of disgust, you cant master your own mind. It's like the puppy in the story trying to constantly dominate you

[@jackbauer555]

to play devils advocavte (and im a person with OCD who kind of disagreed with peterson as well), it could stem from a disgust of society? a lack of trust in human beings

[@teelmunson343]

A big thing about ocd that many people miss is that for many of us who suffer with it, a lot of the time the compulsive behavior is inside of our minds. A good way to put it would be to compare it to compulsively washing hands like Peterson talks about. It is kind of like that except the obsessive thought that we have in our head would be like our hands and the compulsive thoughts would be the soap and water and we are constantly locked in our own minds washing away the anxiety caused by these thoughts

[@tylerosaurus341]

Those are extremely severe examples of OCD, I have OCD but it's about things having to end things perfectly or well enough, checking back to close doors that I already closed but I do it again because the first time didn't feel right, worry if I forgot something that I clearly didn't etc. and it's more about anxiety and a bad feeling unless I do those things, OCD is sad and what is even more sad is how many people aren't getting, can't get or are denied treatment for it

[@Samanthax1221]

tylerosaurus my sister was offered medication for ocd but she wont take it, she did some cognitive therapy but i dont think it helped, she is constantly asking for reassurance, ... she will say something that is bothering her, then say,... do i need to worry about that?... every 5minutes of the day, everytime she talks to me i can feel the stress in my body,

[@rogelioalvarado2186]

Those examples are not severe, they are normal, when I had OCD I felt like that, the problem is that when you don't treat it, it starts to get out of hand. If you do OCD things but they don't affect your life then you don't have OCD, you have OCD tendencies but not full fledge OCD which as you can see it is different. Not sure if my therapist used those words exactly because my was in spanish but that's what I understood.

[@loganlabbe9767]

I have OCD and can confirm it is typically anxiety that forms the really destructive horrifying patterns. A lot of people dont realize though that the obsessive tendencies are not always negative. Can often become obsessively interested in topics and learning.

[@alphaaquatics1012]

That's seems more like aspergers. You might want to be evaluated for ASD.

[@ulisesbernales5969]

My religious OCD is terrible. I have to keep doing rituals in my head to feel that I fixed my sins.

[@larryagrapides9790]

Amazing man who has managed to acquire an enormous amount of practical knowledge and accompanying wisdom. Awesome.

[@mistyaqua]

OCD is a doubting disease. It’s not only about disgust. Yes, for some OCD manifests around doubting how clean things are, but OCD is really about doubting reality. It can manifest in a preference for even numbers, a compulsion to check locked doors, being compelled to follow certain rituals or complete a tasks a certain way. From an evolutionary standpoint it makes a lot of sense, that if something worked for someone, they would be compelled to repeat it. But something malfunctions with the paranoid, doubting part of the brain where they are not able to stop and the obsessiveness/compulsions win out over logic. I believe that people with OCD think in a different way than the general population; that “normal” people think more in a line, where OCD people think in circles and loops, where an intrusive thought occurs and traps them in a thought cycle. I believe OCD causes hoarding and compulsive shopping, where people become obsessed with material items and feel compelled to collect and keep things. I also believe that OCD causes eating disorders, where people become obsessed with their diet and feel compelled to follow a certain regime- that also has the disgust factor to it. The first time I remember my OCD manifesting was when I was 6. When someone pointed at something, I was compelled to scratch the area they had pointed at. My mum was able to break me out of it by forcing me to not do it. It drove me mad, but I was able to break the cycle and let it go. I also remember at about the same time becoming obsessed about how certain things in my room had to be arranged. Sometimes I would come home and my mum would have completely redone my room and I would go mad. I began hoarding soaps and towels but would not actually use them, they were for aesthetic purposes only. I remember having tantrums when someone would use my show soaps. Later, I became obsessed with perfecting my handwriting and school assignments. I would do worksheets in pencil and then trace over with pen and erase the pencil. I had a certain eraser I liked and couldn’t function without it. If I made a mistake on a writing assignment in pen, I would start from the beginning and do the whole thing again. It was advantageous to some degree because I had perfect, neat notes and my teachers loved me. I think it made them give me more attention, which helped my performance at school. (Until college, where my workload became so much that I was not able to complete my regimes and had a mental breakdown.) When I was 12, my mum got MRSA in her lung and had to be hospitalized. I got it on my face. My aunt told me we got MRSA because I hadn’t been cleaning the house properly. That’s what started my fear of germs and diseases and obsession with cleaning and sanitizing. I developed certain hygiene rituals as well. I managed to mostly break myself out of them but I still have an obsession with sanitizing the bathroom and kitchen. I have myself down to only bleaching them twice a day. I am also not able to begin work until I’ve sanitized my desk. I just can’t settle in until it’s been done. When my grandfather got heart disease, I became obsessed with eating healthy, which at times bordered on anorexia and bulimia, which is crazy because you think of people with those disorders as being image obsessed, but for me it was purely about not getting diabetes or heart disease. Luckily, I was able to recognize the harmful thought cycle before it got out of hand. About a year ago, my OCD became completely unmanageable after I stepped on a hypodermic needle. I had to have blood tests for months to make sure I hadn’t gotten HIV or hepatitis. Queue me being unable to wear sandals and checking the soles of my shoes every 10 minutes. At the same time, someone moved into my building with bed bugs and I began finding them. I steamed my apartment top to bottom every single day, paying special attention to my bed and couch. I sprayed bed bug chemicals every day. I was getting through five bottles of bleach a day. I knew on some level what I was doing was too much because I was spending every free minute I had cleaning... I would come home from 12 hours at work and immediately begin cleaning until I HAD to sleep. When I realized I was spending more money on cleaning supplies than food, I finally sought help and got myself to the doctor. A year and many medications later, my psychiatrist has finally found something that works for me: seligiline. It keeps my dopamine steady, which prevents me from experiencing that low feeling “wrong” feeling when I begin experiencing an obsession and that high “right” feeling while completing my compulsions. It helps break me out of the intrusive thought cycle and recognize intrusive thoughts, which allows me to stay focused on the more important things. One interesting thing about seligiline is that it comes in a temporary and permanent version. I will be transitioning to the permanent version of the seligiline soon so I don’t have to continue taking it for the rest of my life. I am so excited to finally be free of that urge telling me I have to do something a certain way all the time, distracting me from the important things in my life. The first time my boyfriend said he loved me I couldn’t enjoy it because I was so fixated on the wrinkle he had in his shirt. I can’t wait for that to be gone forever.

[@jasonscott4621]

OCD is a doubting disease that's for sure! Wow, I have that same problem of cleaning the spots where strangers would touch me when I was a kid too. Wow, I am glad you're better. Good to know you're getting better.

[@michaelthomas4835]

For some reason this reminded me of a military command I used to work for as a contractor. It had a cleaner who was an older nearly elderly South American man who was odd like in his social mannerisms. I always took him to struggle with something, but found despite his social awkwardness, he was kind and diligent and would light up when he spoke of his home country, Argentina. His last day, they had him come to the front of the monthly command event, seated were well over 100 people, and everyone stood up and clapped and cheered and sent him on his way back to Argentina with tears in his eyes. What a great moment it was for him. Seeing other people not only accept him, but celebrate him, despite his oddness, was also touching. Peterson here reminded me of that moment I think. Sometimes, people do surprise you, for the better.

[@letshavefundaniel515]

Ocd is painful to live with. So if you have ocd just know that I pray for you every night and I’m thinking about you. ❤️

[@danascully1248]

This is soooo spot on. I have ocd about sensory issues and its 100% disgust about the way my body feels than anxiety about something bad happening. I have to explain this to ppl like, "i don't have fears really, its more obsessions" and nobody gets it.

[@chrissosexybaby]

For someone who lives with OCD this was very eyeopening, thank you Dr.Peterson.

[@60secondsuccess39]

Isn't it an odd phenomenon that many people seem to care more about animals than humans? I'd imagine that it is for much the same reason that females love gay guys. There is no intrasexual/intraspecies mating competition.

[@Grivendal]

That and there's something in the aesthetic philosophy called the uncanny valley.Anything out of this,but near the 'edges' is considered alike to humans,but lesser,so it deserves protection,without the moral conditions required in the dynamic between humans.It's more like a sensory thing.Pretty interesting theory.

[@60secondsuccess39]

Hm interesting. Thanks for sharing.

[@IndyDefense]

Animals are easier to love. Many people will push you away or stab you in the back for your love.

[@21Blankenship]

I imagine it has an innocence component to it as well Edit: Lol everyone turns into philosophers/psychologists when they watch Peterson.

[@alekdanser]

Isn't the uncanny valley just a "threshold" where the differences between a real human being and a fictional (robot) character are hard to distinguish?

[@krowa1010]

i have a strong ocd without any trace of disgust, and i get a strong ocd when i am nervous, i think the classification present now is very reasonable

[@johnizitchiforalongtime]

People need to see this video and apply this to other mental problems.

[@dulcinea2515]

The explosive mental energy that comes with OCD can absolutely be a strength of one allows it to be so. Redirecting the repressed intrusive thoughts towards something expressive and _constructive_ is the most important step for those inflicted with OCD to achieve. Especially directly while in the process of battling OCD in order to get down to the latent source of the compulsions without being destructive. Many of those with OCD tend to be great engineers, architects, musicians, mathematicians, doctors, mechanics, artists, etc. because of that obsessive fixation on detail, order, pattern making, and reflexive thinking. Think: Howard Hughes, Nikola Tesla, Yayoi Kusama, and more. Of course the OCD mind is more complex than just detail and order, but I won't get too into that. The truth is that OCD is part of the human condition, part of the neurotic anxiety that comes with our global time of crisis, our advanced industrial society, and exists to various degrees within everyone depending on many other factors (genetics, trauma, health and diet, etc). How one directs it is the difference.

[@tiphotisted]

I agree, as someone with OCD I have excelled in the IT field because of it.

[@ash0787]

yes, I was a scientist / programmer before I developed ocd/ depression

[@D3ADSY]

Isn't it a bit misleading to suggest that if you're functionally impaired as a result of OCD, it's basically your fault because how "one directs it is the difference"? Did these people you list actually have OCD or were they just obsessive about details and meticulous in their behaviours? Because there are differences between psychological disorders and personality traits (even if the traits are at the extreme end of the scale). Also, saying OCD is part of the human condition is misleading because it sounds like you're implying it's "normal". To me, a number of psychological disorders seem to involve maladaptive processes that stem from fundamentally adaptive processes (anxiety disorders being one example). Anxiety is part of the human condition, but generalised anxiety disorder, or panic disorder, is not. The former is a temporary state we all experience and the later are disorders.

[@dulcinea2515]

Many religious ceremonies and industrial factory work of today would be considered "normal," though they be ritualistic and repetitive in nature. So, I'm not trying to rationalize and normalize any anxiety disorder or maladaptation, though I would rather say that they are pretty _typical_. Typical of the human condition of our times in that: 1. Global times or war and crisis tend to illicit unconscious, irrational fears and anxieties within certain types of nervous dispositions, 2. People have much more leisure time on their hands in our age of abundance, leading towards more complacency and anxiety, 3. More people are alienated and our communities are broken down, leading towards a distortion of reality. In this way, the disorder is not necessarily the individual's "fault," as you say. Yes, many of the people I listed had OCD before or developed it after their innovations due to PTSD from war, repressed feelings punctuated by society, genetics, and a number of other things. But all in all, yes, I would generally agree with everything that you are saying. I can see how my former comment could be distorted, and in no way am I trying to mislead or normalize OCD or any other anxiety disorder. But I do really stand by what I say, that OCD can be relieved to some extent if redirected towards something productive and constructive. I had a lot of family members that had so much OCD after WWII, who were much more predisposed to OCD due to their German genetics and also had traumatic experiences. Their disorder never really went away after they recovered (it was relieved to a less disruptive and detrimental degree), but they were still able to lead relatively functional lives after replacing all their nervous tension into something productive.

[@XDspacemanJD]

Dulcinea Isn't that risky however? I have made great strides with mine because I know it all to be in my mind. So far it rarely hinders me from thinking and working in general. Do you think in my case I should revive it in order to be more productive?

[@cowsaysmoo51]

It does not have a disgust basis. It often has nothing to do with disgust. That said, the example he gave of having his patient (presumably with disgust-based OCD) print out disgust-inducing pictures to put in his house is actually a brilliant example of what treatment looks like with OCD. Exposure-based therapy and acceptance-based therapy works wonders.

[@JohnSmith-ei6sc]

I’ve suffered from multiple forms of ocd since I was 7. I’m 28 now. I live an extremely poor quality of life. I HATE my life.

[@Adam-bq2vw]

OCD is based on an intolerance of uncertainty. For example neither I, nor anyone else, knows with 100% certainty that our hands are entirely clean, that our food isn't contaminated, or that we won't go crazy and kill someone. In each of these situations, the sufferer goes about trying to reduce his uncertainty to zero through physical and/or mental compulsions, but he never gets there because 100% assuredness doesn't exist. There's always a counterargument or feeling of doubt. The answer lies in doing Exposure Response Prevention Therapy aimed at getting him to accept his lack of certainty, and learning to live with it. That is, to live without knowing. Hope that helps.

[@raylazuli]

This is the most accurate description (in this comments section) so far

[@Tesseract80]

I second what 'Sun Rayz' said. None of the other comments provided me with any further understanding of the causes than what I already knew. But, your explanation provided me with very valuable and much-needed insight in helping me to cope with OCD. I believe that having a better understanding of what causes OCD, is what will greatly help in mitigating the 'seriousness' of it. I'm going to search up and try the "Exposure Response Prevention Therapy" for myself. Thanks heaps :)

[@ashleyashleym2969]

well most likely your hands are never entirely clean, thats why you can still get an infection from surgery even though they wash their hands incredibly thoroughly and glove and put iodine on the surgical site to kill off an skin flora.

[@Kman31ca]

I know an older fellow, he's an amazing man, who has dealt with OCD all his life. He does the hand cleaning and orderliness, but also has intrusive thoughts while driving that he ran over a child. So he will have to stop to make sure there is no blood on his front bumper. Horrible condition to live with. But he also has really learned to accept it and got married later in life and has a son and he's always so kind, and extremely happy.

[@bryanyarrington5792]

OCD is devastating completely utterly devastating.

[@geezzerboy]

From what I've seen, all forms of addiction are a variation of OCD. Heroin or gambling, it can become an Obsessive Compulsion. Or as I call it, OC/DC, the Highway to Hell.

[@floorbored3128]

Lol

[@TheHerothief]

such a sweet man, on top of his brilliance...

[@yeahright6048]

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder can be a terrible disorder. I’ve had it to a certain degree for nearly as long as I can remember (currently I’m 15), and it since that has progressively gotten much worse. I feel like I see the world so much differently then anyone I know, having imaginary boundaries that I can’t cross, if I do there are awful consequences. Occasionally I experience such tormenting thoughts, that I become almost completely dysfunctional. It must be hard to understand for a healthy person, but that’s what it’s like for me to put it very simply.

[@Anglisc1682]

Same, mate. Had it since I was 16. But suddenly after 6 years I'm getting better. Exercise (walking) helps me, and a good diet and lots of sunlight , protein and vitamin d. You'll notice a difference I think.

[@hockeysnipes3656]

It's not just hand washing or disgust. It can be something like having thoughts of your mom dying and in order to (in your mind) prevent that you got to do a particular thing.

[@May-qb3vx]

Yes. Part of my OCD issues is the classic “contamination” OCD but it’s not that I actually feel like the germs are going to hurt me or kill me. Its just that I feel gross and icky after touching something innocent looking. The cleaning isn’t to get rid of the germs. It’s to get rid of the icky feeling. I can touch something that I KNOW is for sure contaminated just fine, but if there’s uncertainty, that’s where the obsession kicks in. It’s the not knowing!

[@Chiller-pc1dv]

OCD is literally by definition an anxiety based disorder. "OCD is characterized by unreasonable thoughts and fears that lead to compulsive behaviors"

[@Chiller-pc1dv]

@@yannickv5338 ...What? I wasn't even talking to you... I myself have diagnosed OCD....I don't know why you're saying this to me...

[@maniquin]

Control and Orderliness. Thats the key. Disgust/Repulsion is just the beginning. To counteract the repulsion/dislike/hatred towards something that bothers a child, one develops this habit of control and orderliness. We can only be happy in a situation we don't like if we either surrender or keep fighting to change things. A child generally does not surrender and so he or she will try to control and create order as he or she likes it. If not outwardly then inwardly in the head. As they grow and they are able to vent out this thing that they developed more and more, it becomes OCD. They can't stop it. If they are not able to vent it out, it would cause depression. So be careful in treating a child's OCD. Manage it. Redirect it. Over time educate the child and help the child overcome it. Don't ever try to curb it when the brain is developing. A person might be inwardly OCD and become outward when he or she has more control, less fear and the option of exercising his control to create ordeliness that the brain kept demanding.

[@tedsimmons4756]

I don't think his singular explanation is accurate either. OCD manifests itself in many other forms than those based on "disgust". For example, my symptom was to compulsively, repeatedly touch a hot fluorescent light bulb for a certain length of time. This has nothing to do with disgust or cleanliness, but is still obsessive-compulsive. Masochistic symptoms are another variety. His definition is very exclusive.

[@erwindee7384]

Yeah, he got it wrong here. I guess he let his anecdotal experiences color his conclusions here.

[@erinwatson3656]

It would not be the first time.

[@Casmige]

TJ Simms I compulsively touch myself when I'm at the computer...... ..😂......of course having a tab/window open with pornhub on it doesn't help, I'm thinking...

[@ikewhite6832]

You cant let the orderliness of you get to the point that you cant live." Very profound words.

[@LiaAwesomeness]

HEY im very disagreeable and i love puppies

[@seriouslysinglemom3835]

What? An illness of disgust? I’ve never heard that before, but it makes all of the sense in the world!

[@ryanjamieson19]

The OCD treatment he describes is called Exposure and Response Prevention. Sometimes it doesn't work. He talks fast to keep you interested and makes it like a story he's telling a friend.

[@mostafanouri1734]

im honestly at breaking point with OCD. Gives me tears thinking about how my life is a mess

[@TyDie85]

theres a lot to take away from this...but one minor, but dominant thing that stood out in my mind is that Animal Rights Activists need to stop acting like they KNOW the situation all the time. Animals do NOT take precedence over people. Yes, animals deserve to be treated with kindness and compassion, but NOT at the detriment to innocent people whom youve judged to be evil simply because you dont know what is going on. Just like when someone is shooting a film or commercial and they go PSYCHO even though no animal was hurt.

[@gjermund1161]

Killing Jokes leftwingers in general behave like that

[@kizmania1]

The left has abandoned empathy, and has adopted a virtue signaling at any cost way of life. It's disgusting, and self serving.

[@AndyMeesProductionss]

I don't know man, the only humans I value over animals are the ones I personally know. I care little for starving people on the other side of the planet.

[@meerkat1954]

Just because people harassed this guy over a dog doesn't necessarily make them left wing. I find right wing people are generally only capable of empathizing with dogs and cats whereas left wing people are able to also empathize with deer, dolphins, rodents, pigs, cows etc. So if it was a dog issue, they people hounding the guy were just as likely to be right wingers.

[@Luciano3415]

Killing Jokes it has nothing to do with right or left,what gives us as a species the right to put ourselves above everyone else? the fact that our brain is slightly more developed does not mean that we are worth more and while i do agree that this particular case mentioned has been treated badly, the things we do to animals and nature in general on daily basis is nothing less of disguisting... and this is coming from a conservative

[@dbmail545]

I gained a lot of respect for JP when he admitted his own extreme reaction to disgusting things. OCD is part of our hard wiring but so many don't recognize the OCD in themselves.

[@antwonvalentino9866]

"unbelievable eh" I forgot he was Canadian xD

[@leaode_cafe]

One day i realised that my ocd was about tragedy Is a fear of tragedy After that i started to think about that and that was ok to do things "normaly" nothing bad would happen After a few weeks i forgot about that Now i remembered again and i feel more safe

[@jamaldapimp1235]

I have obsessions but my my rituals aren’t physical there mental anyone else the same?

[@fatoumfatoumeh]

Me too, and very much mental.

[@olivergreen1520]

I have OCD, and I can relate to this. I find that a lot of the times when I wash my hands, and I see dirt or something on my hands, I will wash them until they are fully clean. Another thing is intrusive thoughts. I find that I frequently feel the need to act on something negative, but never act on it because it’s only a negative thought that is unrealistic and not compatible with my reality.

[@thecsslife]

"...So we looked up things on the internet that he found disgusting..." I had no idea that two girls one cup was used to treat OCD.

[@ChitterChatterD]

Excellent lecture. It annoys me when people claim they have OCD when at worst what they have is OCPD

[@robzrob]

Sounds like a happy story - in the end - to me. :)

[@calebvanbenschoten4732]

I have OCD and have found I'm very particularly fond of animals especially dogs and cats for some reason they tend to like me, they give me a sense of peace I go to my brother's regularly to see his pitbull porkchop one of my favorite living things on this Earth 🌎

[@tiphotisted]

@ 4:20 about the part with the already thin guy with OCD when he lost 30 pounds trying to take care of the puppy. If you see the brain activity of someone with OCD vs someone who doesn't you'll see that the amount of brain activity of someone with OCD is 3-5 times larger. Just to give you an idea of how stressful it can be for someone with OCD.

[@erwindee7384]

Yep, sounds about right. I have mild OCD and I'm pretty sure I think at least twice as much as everyone else.

[@markferraro5250]

OCD is so much more complex than disgust

[@ajkim9151]

He's explaining hypochondria not OCD

[@damianwayne8948]

As someone who suffered from OCD for a long time, I can tell you that he was in fact explaining OCD

[@damianwayne8948]

@@ajkim9151 I don't think Jordan ever suggested that it would, did he?

[@anng7305]

My OCD went away as soon as I had someone VALIDATE EVERYTHING I was thinking and feeling. That’s it and that simple.

[@ggstylz]

Ann G7 Are you sure you have OCD? This disorder does not go away regardless of validation. Learning to manage well minimizes it frequency and severity but it’s generally always there.

[@Chiller-pc1dv]

That's not OCD then if it goes away that easy. I've been validated for years, yeah I feel less alone, but I still have OCD, because a disability isn't going to be magically cured because of that.

[@krowa1010]

this video isnt very informative, just a silly story

[@jimbobhk2009]

I know he's a psychologist so knows more than me but the description of what OCD sufferers deal with sounds like anxiety plays a part in most cases and not primarily disgust. For example, fear that your family could be hurt if you don't do a specific thing doesn't really have anything to do with disgust and more to do with anxiety.

[@gottesurteil3201]

Animal rights activist are the worst sort of people.

[@Chaotic4Neutral]

If they've decided animals deserve more sympathy than their fellow humans beings, it should be fair they be treated as less important by society as well

[@MRBlazeLK]

Animal rights activists are not the worst type of people. There is nothing wrong with supporting practices which protect animals from unnecessary suffering in the form, of say, factory farms. These rights make sure that animals are treated with basic dignity and pave the way towards the end of meat consumption -- something that is beneficial for your health and the environment as well. The people mentioned in the video should not be an example of the good that can come out of this. And to you, WildCard, animal rights activists do not feel that animals are more deserving of sympathy than humans. The people mentioned in the video oppose that statement, but I can ensure you that the majority just want animals to not be subject to cruel farming practices and unnecessary exploitation. It's really nothing more than that.

[@MRBlazeLK]

There's a truth in your first statement that some animals are entirely innocent; farm animals such as cows, pigs, and chickens are bred and raised in awful factory farms in order to be killed. There's nothing inaccurate about the fact that the suffering of these innocent animals is caused by man. Very few argue that animals are more deserving of sympathy than humans (I'm unaware of any to be honest, could you show me some examples?), but there's a level of sympathy to be held for the animals whose existence is totally suffering and could be prevented and is caused by people. As for your second statement, that they "do not care about the suffering that is inflicted on humans to reach their ends", who are we talking about? I can think of a few examples: the people mentioned in this video, people who block traffic at slaughterhouses, ALF, but who are you thinking of? Regardless, these people are in the minority. Check out this link: (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animal_rights_advocates), these are animal activists who do not do the above mentioned things (Gary Yourofsky was involved with ALF, but he is retired from activism all together now)

[@Chaotic4Neutral]

AxeEnding999 some animal right activists believe that. I've heard people say if they had a choice between saving a dog and saving a human being, they'd pick the animal on the grounds that "humans are scumbags" essentially. These are the people I was talking about. If you've stopped caring about people, it's only natural that people stop caring about you

[@erwindee7384]

WildCard To be fair, though, I've heard people who AREN'T animal rights activists say that. It's an opinion not exclusive to them. xD

[@divinecomedyproductions967]

Living with ocd makes you uncertain with your own memories, speaking personally, I was losing my mind.

[@johnsapienza7064]

As someone with OCD, OCD is a lot lot lottt more than just disgust.

[@immanuelcunt7296]

He didn't say it's not. He's saying that disgust is the fundamental emotion, and disgust is what triggers things like anxiety rather than the converse.

[@noahlaila7383]

I love this lecture but it’s really focusing on the typical type of OCD which is contamination. And he would often mention it as a disorder or cleanliness and disgust which can be true in some cases but in many others, it is not. So I wish he spoke more upon other types of OCD. But other wise I loved it.

[@MylesDunne]

O.C.D does not always go hand in hand with disgust, with that line of thought you are going down the way of contamination O.C.D. Most types of O.C.D have nothing to do with disgust, ex. worrying thoughts O.C.D, checking O.C.D etc.

[@Elle-uy5bu]

I have OCD. It’s hell. I count & turn on and off the lights, and have intrusive thoughts. OCD isn’t always about being scared of germs. My mind runs so fast and I can’t focus.

[@angureyna]

define intrusive thoughts pls

[@emirojas92]

I was 5 years young when I started having compulsions. I will be turning 31 this year. I hate OCD.

[@Razear]

Man, the hand washing part resonates with me so much. As someone suffering from OCD, I'm a complete germaphobe. Can't stand getting dirty, especially my hands. This is why I always have to use a utensil whenever I'm eating something to avoid the grease, even if it's finger food. It's like your brain is running around in circles on you.

[@Wimpiethe3]

Razear Ask yourself the why do you do it question. There may or may not be something more to it. For me it was because i wanted to preserve my possesions that gave me relaxation. That became so important to me i became too attached to those objects and that caused me stress instead by keeping everything clean. Now the reason i crave relaxation so bad has to do with my past, learning how to be relaxed without the objects is my mo now. Ofcourse there could be nothing behind it whatsoever.

[@tangbein]

I got OCD back when I was 13, but my compulsions were more related to schizophrenic thoughts.

[@ReturnOfTheNerdStarWars]

People felt sorry for the dog but not for the OCD sufferer. That is the number one problem in all societies, zero knowledge, and/or understanding of social behavior coupled with mental illness. The average person is not informed, and perceives social interaction incorrectly. I have both Tourette's Syndrome and OCD, and I've become disturbingly cautious of other people.

[@Chiller-pc1dv]

Because people assume that mentally ill people are violent

[@starlord847]

I've had OCD and this hits the nail on the head with he hygiene side of it. Exposing me to things I thought were 'Dirty' helped me overcome it.

[@faythallgire5977]

I have moderate OCD and Autism. I do not handwash, but I shower for a very long time sometimes. I'll answer work emails on my waterproof phone in the shower to stay on task. Gotta do what you gotta do.

[@matts1546]

He’s actually describing germaphobia which may have symptoms associated with OCD, but may also be mutually exclusive to it. OCD is an anxiety spectrum disorder that has control at its core.

[@thegoodlydragon7452]

I can see why he would think that, but I also think he's wrong. He's focused too much on the particulars of contamination OCD, but whether it's contamination or injury or brain parasites fears, what's at the core of it all is an intense fear that something terrible will happen. I have OCD, but can do things that people with different kinds of fears cannot and cannot do many things which they can. I can eat off the floor and not be too bothered, but until treatment could not ride a bike for fear of damage to my genitalia. The point is that disgust and and often is a big part of it, but fear is central to it all.

[@notverybright9825]

My brother used to have OCD, he would finish the soap in our house and also the body wash in two or three days. Then he would find the 'backup' soaps and used them all, my parents would have to buy new ones every week or so and it frustrates them so much they constantly have to scold him. He also doesn't take bath if the shower has been used by people earlier so he sometime would go 5 days without showering. There are also times he'll be so mad when others touch him or get near him especially if we have dirt on us. Eventually, my sister introduce him to friend who happens to be a clinical psychologist but my brother would go 1 or twice a month and then never follow up. So in the end, my parents sent him to live with our cousin instead because he seems to be a little bit content there and that my aunt can handle him more efficiently.

[@bevq2246]

I always wonder if my parents had of reacted to my ocd better and I got help as a child, that I probably wouldn't be struggling so much with it now as an adult

[@kaybee9156]

That's the trouble there isn't enough awareness around it . People don't fully know the extent of what true OCD is for the sufferer. You can't be aware of something you don't know about. If your childs developes a cough that makes a "whoop" sound you go right little Johnny could have whooping cough cos most are aware of the symptoms. Only those that suffer no OCD symptoms. I also find most can't actually comprehend that people can't control there thoughts. I don't suffer but I have researched as I have 2 loved ones who have it. And even trying to make people understand is frustrating cos they jaut don't get it. They'll try find a rational explanation. They'll get offended cos there partner won't let them have a drink out of there bottle , they don't get that they can't help but think they'll get germs or what ever.. imagine 40 odd years ago having it, there was no awareness parents would have potentially make it worse cos they would've got punished for things they couldn't help.

[@Basin79]

You're hear or read so many claiming to be OCd because they have to have things set up a certain way etcetera when that's not true. OCD is when you genuinely believe something bad will happen if you don't follow through with the rituals.

[@drvren030]

i remember the old days of facebook, where they would post the most disturbing, triggering images ever and threaten saying if you don't like the post, that will happen to you or something. as someone with OCD, i used to have trichotillomania when i was a teenager, and remember scrolling through facebook, seeing one of those, and then kind of freak out and yell and scream in my pillow cause i couldn't fall asleep at night. one thing is exposure therapy, as JP mentioned. but some people can come out of it, some don't and they become worse and kind of pyscho because of it. what worked for me is to just avoid those things for a while. the things that disturb or trigger you, adapt a lifestyle where you don't have to see or be exposed to those things. for me, this was about 8 years. your mental health will get better, and then slowly open yourselves up to those things one by one. don't see it as something to be triggered by, but something you can ignore and look over, not focusing on them. you divert your attention away from them and so the obsession in your mind goes away.

[@waltpro1945]

He seems to focus more along the lines of the stereotypical ocd like hand washing and cleaning. That barely scratches the surface, let me assure you. OCD includes so many other areas and types of obsession. Hand washing in the realm of ocd is like one guy in a crowd.

[@kaybee9156]

Totally agree. I don't believe there is a stereotypical type. No two suffer the same

[@elizabethshipp7298]

I had OCD for a few years and I had several types of obseessions such as checking switches, door lockes, oven and taps over and over, having my writing to be perfect in class and rewriting over and over again, hand washing, and so on fears of killing family if I didn't do a compulsion. It isnt just about cleanliness. It is about intrusive thoughts which can display in a number of ways.

[@salimazizi6048]

"They had a lot of sympathy for the dog, but not much for the guy". - sadly very true

[@ashleyashleym2969]

I have trichotillomania but I don't think I have OCD at all. I'm not really disgusted, I mean for crying out loud I studied to be a med tech and I interact with people's urine and spit and bacteria and feces for a living. I have health anxiety but only health anxiety, when it comes to everything else I'm an incredibly non anxious person. I feel like I don't fit with a lot of people with trichotillomania, most are incredibly different from me suffering from general anxiety and being deeply hurt by their lack of hair when I don't care, I've never cared.

[@johnmacward]

But OCD isn't just hand-washing and physical compulsions like that, it's often purely in the head (Pure-O) - in fact it's highly arguable that it's more a shame and guilt disorder and the fear of the sufferer of these feelings / emotions. The excessive hand washer is afraid of contaminating themselves and others and ultimately being responsible for their own downfall or that of someone else. Also they spend an immense time ruminating before they even run a tap or start a shower so it's arguable that all OCD is really Pure-O (purely in the head) at it's core and sometime it manifests itself in physical compulsions. Others who fear being a murderer will do physical compulsions in the form of avoidance (avoid supermarkets, shopping centres, parks, places where people hang out) - this isn't out of disgust but out of moral responsibility. It's definitely NOT just a disgust thing - disgust can be the case for some patients but there's WAY more to it than that. I'm a sufferer and I can guarantee this. For those in the know and who do the actual research, it points more towards shame and guilt and a sense of moral responsibility, the vast majority of themes.

[@johnizitchiforalongtime]

I'm bi-polar with paranoid delusions. I pray for all types of mental problems, especially for relief, not of my own but for others, it is tough on any body let alone family or not. Some people don't understand and retaliate, thinking they are right, they think they help, but it is a source of aggravation for the person who has the disease.