Jordan Peterson on Alcoholics Anonymous

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[@19Burgandy]

Yo Theo got a big question for you. So you said you never had religion in your life before, or whatever that answer is. So what made you believe in a higher power is my question? What was the one thing or things that flipped that switch for you? I would love to know your answer. So I do have one problem with the 12 steps program is I feel like atheists are left behind and not cared for. I do believe in God but I have this feeling that the 12 step program actually turns those types of people away. How does an atheist do the 12 step program when they feel like some of this stuff is just bullshit?

[@dalelane1948]

@@19Burgandy in my experience there are just as many atheists as religious people doing the steps. As you learn about the first step you learn that a higher power doesn’t have to be a god or anything even slightly religious. Just go to a meeting & see if it’s for you. See if you can see any similar or shared experiences in what people say. Best wishes.

[@yo2stix]

Hang in there Theo. Work the steps, hit meetings and pick up that 500# phone.

[@seanjohnson6566]

@@19Burgandy my exact issue with the programs

[@pat2562]

@@19Burgandy You find real help and not a religious program. It is not very successful and he's wrong about studies not being done. Less than 10% success rate. He's also wrong it can't hurt-it does harm people because it's so black and white and shamed based. SMART recovery is one program, SOS is another. Hard to find meetings in many places. The first step is admitting you are not powerless.

[@BrownGeorge-pw2xo]

Alcohol and cigarettes addiction actually destroyed my life. I could remember several years ago after divorce with my wife which brought me into my disastrous journey on Alcohol and cigarettes. I suffered severe depression and mental disorder. Got diagnosed with cptsd. Not until a friend recommended me to psilocybin mushrooms treatment. Psilocybin treatment saved my life honestly. 8 years totally clean. Much respect to mother nature the great magic shrooms.

[@Ronkaja]

Amen God bless people. Save your health save your mind. Life is better without heroin, cocaine, alcohol and cigarettes. And you have more money in your pocket. God bless everyone who has rejected the devils intentions to be addicted to alcohol and cigarettes etc which can cause so much damage to health.

[@Malikrooney-hq5jj]

Can you help me with the reliable source 🙏. I'm 56 and have suffered for years with addiction, anxiety and severe ptsd, I got my panic attacks under control myself years ago and they have come back with a vengeance, I'm constantly trying to take full breaths but can't get the full satisfying breath out, it's absolutely crippling me, i live in Germany. I don't know much about these mushrooms. Really need a reliable source!! Can't wait to get them

[@DonnHowes]

Hey! Yes Dr.benfungi

[@Edennnn926]

Congrats! I'm really happy for you that your friend decided to help you. I always admire those who beat their addiction. Knowing it's possible to fix your life knowing there's people out there that have done what I thought was impossible gives me hope I will make it through as well. Those who share their experiences don't know how much it helps when you're about to give up, it gives you the strength knowing somone who actully know what it's like to go through this tell you it's possible, it's not the same somone telling you you can do it when they have no idea what it's like, but hearing somone who knows what it's like that helps a lot since you understand it firsthand and made it out gives so much hope. so thanks for sharing.

[@FranciscaPargo]

How can i find him? Is he on Instagram

[@lukefish7562]

Quitting drinking was the best thing I’ve ever done. 5 yrs this past August! 😀

[@maryradoy6256]

Congratulations man!

[@lukefish7562]

@@maryradoy6256 appreciate that! 😀 Hope you have an amazing day! 🙂

[@Heavywall70]

It’s amazing how just that simple act fixes so much in life without even trying.

[@lukefish7562]

@@Heavywall70 🏅 it is amazing. Life got so much less complicated as a result of that one decision. 🙂

[@lukefish7562]

@Hans Coventrierengemacht 😀🙏🏽very grateful!

[@Weekend94]

24 days sober today and AA has literally given me hope and a new life. Hearing the strength and struggles from others gives me such confidence that I can make it. If you’re struggling get to a meeting, it saved me.

[@anskadberg]

Keep at it, it will keep getting better and better. No matter what challenge you face, go through it. NEVER do any drugs or alcohol. You will be sooooo happy you did. Pursue your Spiritual life with all your vigor. God is everything, and he loves us so much.

[@Wilderness449]

You will never meet a recovering alcoholic that goes back to drinking and doesn’t regret it. You will never meet a recovered alcoholic who isn’t so much better off not drinking. Stick at it. Your mind will lie to you that you can have another drink. Everybody’s does. It isnever better to be drinking than not.

[@anskadberg]

@@Wilderness449 in my 42 years sober, I don't think there is a truer statement. I don't go to meetings anymore, but my Spiritual life has never been more important, and this especially, for me, means the recognition of who Jesus actually was. Everytime I found myself with challenges that I might use for an excuse to use, my revelations have come related to diving deeper in Jesus teachings, and demonstrations. BTW, I do not consider myself a traditional Christian. However, having two siblings who committed suicide, not drug related unless doctors prescribed, I've determined they didn't know how to invoke, or turn to Jesus on their own hearts. They were wonderful people. I am pretty sure after they transitioned, they regretted what they did. Just like people who use again. Thank you for Sharing.

[@leemackay888]

Awesome !!! Get a good sponser and get on a set of steps.. much love and respect !! U can do this !!

[@moondawg3693]

I've been in AA a long time, my friend and in this time, there are 2 absolute truths that I've learned. 1) If you continue to drink your life will become more horrible than you could ever imagine. 2) If you stay in AA, join a group and get a sponsor and learn to be honest with yourself and do your best to live the 12 Steps, YOU will become more happy, joyous and free, than you ever dreamed possible. Every time I think that my life cannot get any better, God proves me wrong. This doesn't mean that bad things don't happen, my son got cancer a few years back, he's better now thank God, but my point is this. I was there 100%, I never let him down for a second, I was there for his mom and sister, sober because of AA. How? I had my sponsor, my group and a bunch of sober alcoholics in AA, who stood there with me when I cried tears of sadness and they stayed there until I cried tears of joy, they never faltered. Get a group and get a sponsor and learn to live again. The only time you should ever miss a meeting is for a funeral and it better be yours. Don't give up before the miracle happens. I am Dave and I'm an alcoholic. God Bless

[@lindagrinolds4597]

No one can understand an alcoholic like another alcoholic,that’s just the way it is. I am over 12 years in recovery and I have to say the spiritual side of the program and the people in the program showed me that I can have a better life than I ever thought possible ‼️💕

[@TheLokiBiz]

The 12 step program is a destructive cult. For starters, it hasn't "helped so many people" - statistics show that AA members are no more likely to keep sober than someone going sober all on their own solo. NA and AA are also a breeding ground for sexual predators "13th stepping" vulnerable new members - Not to mention it's an explicitly religious group that courts are somehow allowed to force you into. If you're going to get help, please for the love of god avoid AA/NA. You should watch the documentary "The 13th Step".

[@Soberwithswag]

Amen 03/25/08🙏🙏 trust god clean house help another

[@LordAmalthea]

So true

[@406MenaceRacecar]

A nonalcoholic trying to tell an alcoholic "hey, like just don't drink" understands alcoholism as much as a man can understand what a woman goes through giving birth. They can try to understand but you'll never be able to experience it. AA, meetings is at least half nonalcoholics giving stupid advice, people who never know the main problem, and do NOT know the solution.

[@jasonbachelor604]

Spiritual side of the program. AKA Sexually harassing a newcomer

[@angiechristensen638]

I need to quit drinking, I feel like this is a sign.

[@that1guy899]

If you feel like this is a sign then take it as a sign. It doesn't hurt to have an extra motivator. 👍

[@Will-qr7rf]

@@ses831 lol come on man

[@Graemedico]

6 years dry....if I can You can too..✌❤

[@dalelane1948]

Meetings are everywhere my friend. Just go to one & sit, listen and see if it might be for you.

[@kevoneone]

I'm not quitting I'm only just getting good at it

[@josecarlos1042]

I went four months sober and then relapsed hard this month. Drank and abused coke again. I’ve been clean for 3 days and I’m praying that I can fight these demons. Thank you Theo and Jordan for this talk.

[@mwsands9155]

You can. You just have to choose to. I've found my mind battling itself as to drink or not to drink and damn is it good at convincing me to drink. But, the fact is, the only thing I have to do to not drink is to not drink. Simple, but difficult for sure, but still true.

[@brittney6396]

How are you doing?

[@BROKENTEETH-rc6bf]

God bless you Jose, Remember; when the devil continuously reminds you of your past relapse or mistakes, remind him of his future! ☺🙏

[@justinjohnson85]

I’m a year sober off of booze and coke life is so much better without that shit in my life you got this buddy

[@devinrgarcia86]

You will man, I did the same after rehab and even stepped into meth just 4 days ago snorting it. But after the same ol how Tf I got home and feeling like shit I realized how lonely this high life is. But I'm back to trying work on my life, even fixed my ride ( a bike due to no car no license) and also seeing family again and seeing how depressed they are drinking. Life is here for us , we just gotta find out what it is. Go do what you love and you'll find purpose my guy.

[@landking3742]

April 05, 1998 was my last drink - that night my life was small. Today it’s beyond what I could even conceive. Thank you AA and your members

[@37HD]

25 years. Keep going!

[@TheOGSticks11]

Day 1 here. Glad you got there. It's encouraging as hell.

[@caroluslaurentius5481]

Everyone says the 90’s was all peachy… So I’m guessing that it really wasn’t for you until you had gotten sober?…

[@intensivemanagement]

@@caroluslaurentius5481 yes that is correct there was no joy in life but an existence . I saw no color of beauty herd no birds and only saw life as a half empty glass - 25 plus years later I live in gratitude 🙏

[@danielkinsman1964]

April 5th 1982 was my sobriety date

[@williamsaldanah3554]

15 years!! Twelve steps saved my life!! God bless you Theo🙏🏻

[@christopherw2233]

Congratulations! I just ask did you ever try celebrate recovery and if so how was it compared to AA ?

[@okthennone]

I got sober 4 years ago and the change is incredible.

[@terrybaker7412]

I hope to get there one day. I try. But i fail. Its so hard

[@sunnyroad5644]

@@terrybaker7412 Just get on with it ,it's not rocket science,it's a format if you follow it, you will get sober..People fail because they just are so rebellious they won't follow orders. It's like going to karate and querying the ancient method because you feel you can avoid certain moves..etc eventually you trip up.The steps will make you a very very strong individual.,not drinking will become effortless the compulsion will cease.

[@dorothysegedinac6979]

Congratulations. You must be thrilled. Sobriety is the only way to spend your days on earth. You can participate and be useful

[@marcsalzman8082]

We become different people from the inside out.... There's more to quitting drinking than quitting drinking. (Actually the title of a book by the late Dr. Paul , who's story is 1 of the story's in the 2nd half of the book, Alcoholics Anonymous Aka the Big Book used to be called {his story} "Doctor, Alcoholic, Addict" changed in more recent editions to " Acceptance was the Key". The primary, principle text of this book has remained unchanged since 1st PUBLISHED in 1939, which contains ALL but the PERSONAL STORIES, as when the 'Big Book' was initially published & distributed around the US, the whole movement was by word of mouth. The STORIES were included as there weren't meetings (except in Akron, OH & Brooklyn, NY) for 1 sober alcoholic to meet another face-to-face. It took some years for AA to take off & mtngs. started springing up all over the USA.

[@generalbooty4939]

@@terrybaker7412 you got this man! It’s so difficult in the beginning but you gotta remind yourself to trust the process! The benefits are mind blowing. Two months sober with therapy and I feel like I can do anything I set my mind to. I pray everyone gets to experience this. You deserve it.

[@serop43]

Honestly this kept me sober for today.. GOD BLESS

[@lulumoon6942]

Blessings to you, Serop. Just tackle today 🙏

[@robertruark8797]

Excellent. One day at a time. Stay sober today worry about tomorrow when it comes. I've managed to stretch one day at a time at the 25 years.

[@giddensb1]

Take it 1 day at a time man. 1 hour, 1 minute if you need to, you can do it!

[@MJ-ix7wm]

Go for it!!!!! Good work. 👍

[@BlueRain508]

A big part of success in AA is finding the right group too. The first group I tried was overwhelming for me as a newcomer. They wanted me going to two meetings a day, immediately getting a sponsor, collecting the donations, it was all too much too fast. The meeting I'm at now is much more laid back and takes more of a "just keep coming" and read the books approach. It's working.

[@tim6385]

It's good that you point this out. I have personally had some weird meetings (many) and still looking for that cool chill meeting. I admit it has turned me from AA - I get frustrated not finding a good fit. So thanks for pointing this out asnd helpung me realize I j8st need to keep looking. (as least that's what I got out of it). Ty.

[@kathyingram3061]

~Yes, i was told to come to meetings all day, every day, and bum money from people, instead of getting a job?!!~

[@scottbuckley6578]

My first meeting scared the crap out of me and the fellow members blowing up my cell phone all the time still finding the right group but I've cut back my drinking by 80% and still fighting

[@ashpeers4500]

Your first group was right. You’re not a real alcoholic cause you have laid back sobriety

[@aliciacarstensen7904]

Never was able to find a group that didn't have a guy in it wanting to date me. And I can't say anything without first saying I'm an alcoholic and everybody whines and complains about their lives. Jesus hard pass

[@patbrennan6572]

My dad stopped drinking in Dec 1971 and died in May 2021, As a child and then a teen I never understood that he had a drinking problem, no one explained to me what an addiction was, but AA knew and I thank them for helping dad live for an extra fifty years.

[@Paulina-bh5hz]

I'm so sorry you went through that. Your father loves you. He's human too and no one is perfect. Addiction is a terrible thing. Know that when Jesus returns he will wipe all tears and the former things in this lifetime, will be forgetten because the amount of joy coming cannot compare as God has promised.

[@classicallpvault8251]

Not everyone with an alcohol problem is an addict. There's habitual drinkers and episodic drinkers. The latter might or might not be addicted and might only use alcohol during social gatherings - but to excess. On the other hand, there's genuine alcohol addicts who do not have a drinking problem. Severe withdrawal is know to occur in some people who drink as little as a pint a day and who cease drinking for example when admitted to the hospital, and this withdrawal can be just as dangerous as it would be for the town drunk after cessation of drinking.

[@BigD751]

The reason you never understood he had a drinking problem was because he didn't. He was sober for 50 years. Doesn't sound like much of a problem

[@TheLokiBiz]

The 12 step program is a destructive cult. For starters, it hasn't "helped so many people" - statistics show that AA members are no more likely to keep sober than someone going sober all on their own solo. NA and AA are also a breeding ground for sexual predators "13th stepping" vulnerable new members - Not to mention it's an explicitly religious group that courts are somehow allowed to force you into. If you're going to get help, please for the love of god avoid AA/NA. You should watch the documentary "The 13th Step".

[@kevinsworld5088]

You are ignorant.@@BigD751

[@maxsiehier]

I like Jordan in therapist mode, he listens to, accepts, and takes people's problems seriously.

[@withinyouwithutyu1324]

That's why I love the guy.

[@lulumoon6942]

His intellect was always dazzling, but his caring is always far greater. I wish his detractors could see this.

[@robw4ltz408]

Glad to see JBP is looking heaps better.

[@withinyouwithutyu1324]

@@robw4ltz408 you could tell he went through hell. Looks a lot better now though

[@johntallanger4036]

Isn't Jordan zonked out on SSRIs?

[@VIRGONOMICS]

AA SAVED MY LIFE . I was an alcoholic/ heroin addict for 20 years . God Bless -

[@michaelryan2416]

I’m clean and sober 39 years. I went into treatment in 1984. 24 years old , a young man of monumental brokenness stayed away from all substances raised a family. in 2006. I realized I can go only so far on my own so I started attending AA. Best decision I made. I love the courage and raw honesty The best people that I ever met

[@TheStncld357]

God Bless and keep working the program!

[@ingolfurarnar697]

I'm getting close to 5 years now but 26 years since I first came into AA. Took me a long time to accept my situation but now I'm infinitely grateful for my friends in AA and the steps. And I just LOVE to read comments here from fellow AA members that found recovery in AA. I feel so much Joy and compassion that my eyes tear up 😊 For my family all over the globe. My brothers and sisters in AA that I have never met but know so well 😊 Love you guy's ❤️

[@moondawg3693]

If you're anywhere near Lyndsay Ontario, It'd be an honour to come to your 40th. Thanks for being a shining light and proof that this works. God Bless

[@michaelryan2416]

@@moondawg3693 wow thanks so much. I’m way south of you!!! But you really honor me. Stay strong and true!!

[@JoeSmith-dl9ok]

Been sober for 8 yrs. For me, AA was never my thing. It actually made it harder for me. I don’t want to sit around re-living all that horrible shit. But, it works for a lot of people, and that’s awesome. I never thought I’d be the guy who felt better being sober, but I got there.

[@magicalfrijoles6766]

Sam here. AA helped me for the first couple of months, because going to so many meetings kept me busy. I also liked seeing I wasn't special and tons of others had dealt with my issue. But, I quickly learned the cultish traits of it and stopped going. I'm sober many years later.

[@cg9616]

Glad you got recovery. AA Worked for me also over 8 years sober

[@lilolmecj]

Five days in ICU with sky high blood pressure and continuous hallucinations of bugs on every surface seemed to be the thing that shook my son up enough to stop. So far, so good, one year plus of sobriety. I think the pressure to actually find a meeting in the post apocalypse world just added pressure which made him want to drink to reduce the anxiety. But I don’t discount it for those who need more community.

[@sandarahcatmom9897]

@@lilolmecj Yeah, it's not like thee are thousands and thousands of meetings on-line, around the world, literally 24/7 that you can sit in a chair at home and attend. But who's counting. Pressure????

[@sandarahcatmom9897]

@@magicalfrijoles6766 What does recovery look like when the traits that supported drinking, isolation and resentment are not confronted? Most dry alcoholics I've known (and there are many) are miserable souls to be around. Just wondering where the growth after addiction looks like for people who just put the plug in the jug.

[@billleroy6736]

My father hit bottom, join AA and stayed sober for 40yrs till the day he died. Many of his friends in AA had the same results. Helping others and seeing where you came from kept them sober minded. Great fellowship where you can make great friends for many years. I personally met two Christians in AA that turned me to the true Higher Power and I have never looked back.

[@UberKrispy]

There's a " True" higher power? 🤣

[@fittyleben7571]

It’s spoken at the beginning of most meetings: But there is One who has all power. That One is God. May you find Him now. I think AA made it clear who the higher power is.

[@deepzepp4176]

I'm glad it worked for your father, but it has lots of cult like behaviour.

[@UberKrispy]

@@alandoyle3442 you mean like inventing a story where a man built the boat and took two of each species of animal and insect on planet Earth? That sort of loonyness?

[@UberKrispy]

@@fittyleben7571 let me guess you're over 50 years old & overweight. That's the profile of AA members who want to tell us what the "real" higher power is. That's why AA has been hemorrhaging membership for 20 years.

[@forest1hills1king]

Theo actually asks such good questions, and then Jordan unpacks them perfectly!! Hope these guys continue to collaborate!

[@frandeep]

A perfect pair! Peterson could be like the Dr. Drew type role for this pod.

[@davesproles2708]

Yeah!! Simply STELLAR questions!! Such as: "... You ever consider selling your semen at a sperm bank?" Or ".....you ever see 7 weener dogs running in a neighborhood together?"........ (I'm joking obviously....i fuckin love this mans insightful questions. He thinks so far outside the damn box boi....... And Dr. Peterson is more than capable of seeing the meaning behind each question Theo has.)

[@CaptainKirk007]

Absolutely

[@metalhead6111]

These ARE my two favorite people.

[@harrygilmana6126]

@@frandeep doctor Drew ??!!! Get da fook outta heeeeee Guys a gold digger celebrity seekin gold digger

[@joeycarter8691]

I love seeing all these comments of how long you guys have been sober. Even if it’s been just a day. I’ve relapsed so many times. I’m coming up on a month very soon, and I really have felt the power of fellowship in recovery this time. I never stayed in meetings or in fellowship/communion any of the other times. Love you all you guys and your stories

[@rogerconnolly3688]

Good for you, I’m 37 years sober. The big secret is this, ask for help in the morning and say thank you at night. There are two promises in AA, you need never drink again and women will call you up and ask you to go to bed with them.

[@thehappyhomeless]

I quit drinking for 3 years and the past three months I’ve been drinking again. I decided to quit again today after realizing it’s only gonna make my life worse if I continue to drink. Glad to be getting back on track.

[@dianemorris5816]

That's a great decision. Some of the nicest people I have ever known are from AA.

[@christopherw2233]

I pray you're doing well 🙏 stay strong this disease only gets worse not better and the only way to save yourself is to not drink it.

[@carolann4087]

I had been in and out of AA for many, many years but now, I;m going on 15 years sober. The two statements that hit me like a ton of bricks with truth are: 1. There is no problem so big in this world that drinking can't make worse. 2. You'll always be safe from relapse if you stay away from that first drink. Seems to be working for me!

[@lclay5164]

Welcome back

[@dirigoelectric]

AA saved my life. I was a raging alcoholic, and an addict.

[@serenityinside1]

Good to hear ... now don’t skip back - think of the damage to any others around you who may care.

[@dirigoelectric]

@@serenityinside1 been sober 13 years. No plans to change. Life is way better

[@HP-fn4bo]

Same here.

[@dirigoelectric]

@Rob I’m just a kid from the country, now an old man, not some doucheknot in a lab coat. I had a problem. AA helped me get well. I don’t buy the bs that most of the dr types say. Maybe we have genetic tendencies, or family trends. I know there are a lot of them in my family tree. I suspect I could revert pretty easily if I started again. But I don’t have your answers.

[@truthseeker1871]

Many people have said AA saved my life. You have to be at a certain point in your life where that can happen. The oldtimers knew that. They helped people leave the fellowship who they knew weren't serious about recovery. In recent there has been a strong tendency for any jackass to attend meetings whether they were serious or not. That has been a mistake. It weakens the fellowship.

[@MileHighInTheSky]

Day 1 complete. I attended my first meeting today. This is only the beginning for me, but my biggest takeaway so far is that everyone understands exactly what you’re going through. You can’t have these conversations with people who aren’t alcoholics/addicts themselves.

[@cathleenweston3541]

You are correct. Give it time go everyday. The greatest people. Salt of the earth. My 1st meeting? April 13th 1983. Keep coming back no matter what.

[@brandon_evs]

How's it going bro? Hope you are still clean!

[@sleepyhead8681]

Good luck!

[@doughartley3513]

It’s from those people you will learn the practical proven tactics and strategies that will save your ass.

[@OnlyMyOpinionMatters]

Today was my first day man

[@mtbdad2]

My favorite people are those in recovery. Specifically those who have been sober for years. They are truly the most amazing individuals I know. They have seen and experienced stuff you and I never will. Their appreciation for life is off the charts.

[@eshjane]

AA works for me. I have 31 years of sobriety and I had to change my friends, share at meetings, pray, make new sober friends. AA saved my life.

[@cherylruddell9766]

Saved my life too. And continues as well. 21 years for me ODAT

[@stillsober19]

Me too. 6 years in August

[@patrickellsworth5427]

I'm coming up on 20 years in October. Getting sober is sooo worth it. Hang in there, Theo.

[@lulumoon6942]

Congrats on then, and today.

[@doughartley3513]

I’m coming up 34 years sober, best thing I ever did! I had enough of living that nightmare of alcoholism.

[@nate8415]

W

[@richardmilliken8705]

Keep coming, one day at a time.

[@joeyboes7771]

One day at a time man great job!!

[@CookbookAdventures]

Been in the rooms for over 20 years. It works. If I can get clean and get my life together, anyone can.

[@GodinSpace]

Seeing as if generous there's a 15% success rate so no not everyone can do it there are studies that go all the way up to like 85% but every study that goes above 20% was conducted by AA themselves that's like when police investigate themselves and find themselves innocent

[@connor-craigsellars4777]

I'm not into the whole God angle of it is this a problem for recovery

[@CookbookAdventures]

@@connor-craigsellars4777 No, you can be an atheist and be in the program. A lot of people that come in and have that issue. Its normal.

[@connor-craigsellars4777]

@@CookbookAdventures how does it work then with the whole higher power?

[@wilyinfidel1091]

Cookbook Adventures “Have that issue”...... As in -don’t believe in your higher power,father figure, Christian god?

[@sobrietyandthefivedaygodch2124]

Two of my favorite people, Theo von and Dr. Peterson. Great to hear you guys sharing about Alcoholics Anonymous. It’s saved my life I lost my son to fentanyl a year and a half ago and started my own channel trying to help people make them fentanyl where, and help them get sober. Much love.

[@sashajames2105]

I love that everyone has their own journey to sobriety… for me AA completely changed my life. Gee, it was hard staying sober and it took time to develop a relationship with my concept of a higher power but 26 years later I have never woken up somewhere and with someone I didn’t know with a smashing hangover, no wallet and no way to get home. I live a simple program. I have a HP, a weekly home group, a sponsor, I sponsor and I work the 12 steps. Small price in return for the incredible life I have in return. Thank for sharing this ❤️

[@dabotta9793]

The part when he talks about not drinking and stop socializing with your friends is true... But I'm still going strong , nearly 5 months without alcohol 👊🏽

[@bretthardin9239]

i got 5 months no friends

[@user-yp3uq7zb3j]

Way to go man, keep at it!

[@user-yp3uq7zb3j]

@@bretthardin9239 stay strong man. You got this

[@jhova187]

It’s so true everything revolves around drinking with my friends . Watching the game the fight birthdays brunches dinners. I’m not myself when I drink to the point that I want to cut it off completely.

[@s-ash-a]

keep going bud. 1 year and 7 months for me tomorrow, and never been better. You got this.

[@zachcooper6580]

On step 3 5 months 15 days going strong stay strong everyone onward

[@JeffDonnelly]

That's awesome man!👊

[@Westcoasteagles2018]

Well done brother 🙏

[@davidbauschard622]

Keep your foot on the gas brother!!! GET FREE !!! I love recovery, gave me a life! ☮️❤️🙏🏼

[@dottiefarmer5547]

You are inspiring and give others the hope that they too can get sober.

[@fossrules]

Subscribed. Congratulations on your sobriety Theo! I was happy to hear that Dr. Peterson was very complimentary about 12 step programs. I cleaned up on May 23, 2015. I tried for years to stop using on my own and could not do it. Today I'm a grateful member of Narcotics Anonymous. There is a solution, friends.

[@snack.attack]

18 days sober! Loving life!

[@infopimp]

Theo: your vulnerability and communication on these issues may help save dozens or hundreds of people, keep it up with the full transparency on the ups and downs my friend!!!

[@evillink1]

2 weeks booze free. Them hangovers were making me useless the next day.

[@sunnyroad5644]

keep going..All will be well

[@evillink1]

@@sunnyroad5644 thanks.

[@lulumoon6942]

Well done, e! Each day makes you clearer!

[@pj6585]

Good for you, removing booze from your routine hasn’t ruined anyone’s life and you get to control your day as you choose. Being where you want to be or need to be. Or just screwing off and having fun, that is an option too,lol. But your there when the next day arrives to live as you choose. Good luck and ask for help if you feel a little over whelmed, you will be surprised how people are willing to help you when your trying to really help yourself and how many people have had the exact same feeling that your experiencing and will give some advice or some info to help you figure it out.

[@michaelmoorhead762]

Hey 👋.... I have 9 years clean and I lost my job this month, I thought about having a beer with my burger and wings, to drown the sorrow...but then I thought about how tired and sick I was after drinking, and how it took a whole week to recover from one night out ( physical addiction), and I got through it without drinking, it is tough but we get through it

[@hellhappinessrepeat]

Love you both, Jordan and Theo. Being eight years sober in AA, for me too, it’s doing the steps and relying on the community and sponsors to clear that wreckage. All the things I thought about myself in the world and what I did and what happened to me and how I was treated and how I behaved and my worth and my self-esteem. That clearing and development was all necessary, and part and parcel with developing a connection with a higher power. Six weeks of drying out or whatever other methods or meds are available, were never going to do that for me. It’s a process and it requires work and accountability. I haven’t needed a drink in eight years, it has zero hold on me or interest, and it happened for me very quickly. Very grateful.

[@mikegray5826]

"Clean that wreckage", that's a good one.

[@lefty7511]

Just got my 90 day Narcotic Anonymous key tag today. When I first got into rehab, I couldn't envision a life without drugs and alcohol because they took my soul. Now after 91 days clean and sober, I cannot imagine going back to that life ever again. It really helps to have a sponsor that you connect with who also holds you accountable on any of your bullshit thinking.

[@seanrogers3723]

Thanks Theo. Also a friend of Bill’s. This moved me to tears and gave me chills when you spoke of the unconditional love of your higher power. Love ya brother!

[@kc-qs8qg]

cult

[@jasonwillett2126]

@@kc-qs8qg Nope, its a CULT..all caps

[@swesleyc7]

@@kc-qs8qg A sign of a cult is two (maybe 3) indicators: secrets and levels. There are supposed "secrets" that you only achieve insight into until you advance up levels within the organization (usually unlimited), usually by participating even more ($$$). AA has no secrets: the 12 steps are completely and entirely available to everyone even if you're not in AA and it's free. You may achieve levels of personal achievement (12 steps), but AA as an organization has none - it's voluntary and its limited, which is to say, you eventually finish. Point: it's not a cult. The 3rd indicator may be that one person at the top is sleeping everyone else, but that usually describes a cult's leader rather than the cult itself.

[@AlexThyGreek]

​@@kc-qs8qg sober up buddy don't spread your disgusting negativity

[@AlexThyGreek]

@@jasonwillett2126 sober up buddy don't spread your disgusting negativity

[@NaNa-re3wc]

I’ve been sober from drugs for a year and a half and nearly a year from alcohol. NA and AA meetings never did much for me. I discovered Dr. Gabor Maté’s work and I also do DBT. Dr. Maté doesn’t ask, “why the addiction?” but “why the pain?” His books and lectures have helped me expand my self awareness in order to not only stay sober from drugs and alcohol, but other toxic habits like overspending, being on my phone excessively, over eating, etc. I’ve gained great insight into my other mental health issues also. I hope those of you struggling out there search him up and find him to be a good resource.

[@prayerwarrior7778]

I left AA, haven’t gone back to alcohol. It’s a cult. The more I’m out the more I see it. If it works for some it works for some. Don’t like the preacher steppers though.I’ve heard the Freedom Model and SMART are good.

[@helenalovelock1030]

What are the best things Dr Mace did that helped you ? Books or KZbin videos ?? Where should I start ?

[@TLOC777]

@@helenalovelock1030 KZbin is a great place to start!

[@TrishCanyon8]

I'm for whatever works.

[@TheLokiBiz]

The 12 step program is a destructive cult. For starters, it hasn't "helped so many people" - statistics show that AA members are no more likely to keep sober than someone going sober all on their own solo. NA and AA are also a breeding ground for sexual predators "13th stepping" vulnerable new members - Not to mention it's an explicitly religious group that courts are somehow allowed to force you into. If you're going to get help, please for the love of god avoid AA/NA. You should watch the documentary "The 13th Step".

[@DraGon-ge6po]

Thank you for sharing your experience, this is an awesome exchange!

[@calmtea5369]

He is describing finally loving and accepting yourself. Most with addictions have those unmet needs from bad childhoods

[@paulguglielmini1023]

I am a recovering alcoholic and I am a firm believer that addicts have something traumatic in there past that triggers the addict in them! That's for 95 % of addicts!

[@CorePathway]

Adult Children of a alcoholics and dysfunctional families (ACA) speaks directly to this. Look up “Tony A’s 12 Steps”. You will know instantly if it resonates with you. Also the ACA “Laundry List”

[@briansmith3791]

Yeah, psychologists now find that 75%-80% ( maybe your 95%) of alcoholics/addicts have experienced serious prolonged abuse in childhood (ACE) leading to Complex Trauma. If not treated early, it's there for life.

[@lesleyhumphreysjones5957]

I have complex post trauma from childhood onwards, it causes brain trauma and causes dissregulation it is an actual brain injury.

[@CorePathway]

@@briansmith3791 to quote Gabor Mate: “Ask not why the addiction, but why the pain.”

[@briansmith3791]

@@lesleyhumphreysjones5957 Yeah, Complex Trauma is the hidden cause of so much suffering. I only found out about it in the last decade after years of wondering why I was so troubled. Ruined my life.

[@gybx4094]

I took Antabuse and went to AA for a year, but AA was always talking about alcohol and I had moved on from my addiction. I've been sober for over 17 years and I feel better every day. Life doesn't get easier, but your mind and body get stronger without intoxicants.

[@andrewmartin6445]

Well done!

[@mrtjones5466]

I’ve been to a Few AA Meeting and the message is always the same. I feel I’ve moved on from that now . Just Wanna show people how they can get their life back together so that’s what I’m looking forward to following Gods Plan ❤🙏🏿❤️

[@SaintTammany]

84 days clean today. Honestly great to hear this side of Theo instead of just pure jokes all the time. Just humanizes him a lot. Great podcast segment from him and Dr. Peterson!

[@rw114]

I did 8 years sober then hit it hard for 2.5 years ,,just cause you're sober now you ain't fixed ,,just thought I'd brighten your day up

[@paxnorth7304]

If you're having a problem, remember...You can go have a drink or get drunk a year from now, a month from now, a week from now, hell, you can go have a drink tomorrow , just not TODAY. You only have to stay sober TODAY.

[@lulumoon6942]

Thanks, pax. 👍🙏

[@JimmyTurner]

Yeah but the problem is here today

[@robdef9202]

Yes the substance will always be there so you can always have it, but just for today... Decide not to

[@WarmGlowinWarminGlow]

That doesn't seem like a healthy thought process.. but I guess whatever works

[@doriangrey1764]

Outstanding answer for someone in early recovery

[@tonyjenkins7156]

Great video. I am nearly 4 years sober. Still get drinking dreams, but never, ever want that hangover + guilt feeling again.

[@cathleenweston3541]

Never Forget that. That's what got me to AA. In 1983. I relapsed 2007. Now have 12 yrs. Guess what? It gets worse if ya drink after being sober even for decades. I still remember well, the horrible hangovers and shame. Never give up keep going!

[@doughartley3513]

I’m 34 years sober and still get a drunk dream on occasion. They are reminders that I am an alcoholic and will be until I croak.

[@bobwiley9447]

The guilt hangover mornings are the worst .

[@Medietos]

@@bobwiley9447 What is your guilt about, Bob? Towards your poor body having to take care of it, or your surroundings, or your own soul?

[@gilwood7530]

I'm 16 years off of heavy drinking and hard drugs ...I dont know if the dreams ever go away ...I wiould have thought by now

[@Jimma182]

Alcohol and addiction has run through my family and took some amazing aunts, uncles, cousins and others way too early…as for myself it has never done anything good for me after my earlier 20s…lately it’s made me day and do things I would never do, walking outside to a flat tire I drove home on and let alone could have hurt an innocent person because of my selfishness…the anxiousness of not remembering what I did, the little nip bottles building up in my top draw…I have had enough and I pray I don’t look back…congratulations to everyone that fights this evil liquid 🙏🏻

[@graceartsgifts]

Love both of your perspectives! ❤😊 thanks!

[@johntapp1783]

Theo, my dude. I have struggled with relapse quite a bit throughout my recovery experience. It would eat me up. Thinking about how much time I "threw away" and how I had to "start over". This time around I decided to look at it differently. I made the decision to get sober again last May. And at the beginning I continued to struggle with some relapses but I continued to work my program as if I still had the sober time I achieved. Because I did. Even though I messed up I still had all that time besides those couple of days. I kept pushing through the slip ups and got through my steps and have not had a drink or drug since August 13th. It might be frowned upon in old school AA to not start everything over after a relapse but I was tired of feeling like a failure. So once I started being proud of myself for my successes instead of beating myself up I saw nothing but improvement. You have made a big difference in the way I see life. Love ya brother.

[@doughartley3513]

Step one for me is two things: 1, stop buying and believing your own bull shit! Meaning excuses, justifications,rationalization,denials, any reason your says it’s okay to take a drink. Alkies don’t give up drinking, recovering alkies give in to drinking. Big difference. 2. Make the damn decision! Final 100%. No excuses nothing. When you stop buying your own bullshit and make the 100% decision to not drink what comes down the pipe good or bad, you stay sober in recovery. Today I celebrate 12,400 days continuous recovery, proof that consistently doing what’s suggested above works.

[@mrtjones5466]

Whenever I feel like a drink I ask myself why do you need it ? Is it gonna make the situation better or worse. The answer is always worse 😢. ❤️🙏🏿❤️

[@thomasdonohue1833]

You're relapsing because you still have reservations. Something in your life is being put ahead of your sobriety. You are unwilling to let it go.

[@felaciosuxonadik8517]

Like Theo said, when we are in a room with other broken people we realize we're not alone and that there is a better way forward and also learning about a higher power that forgives us for being broken as we continue to move forward in a more positive way is sooo reassuring. We need each other more than the people at the top of the food chain ever want us to know! Believing in something bigger and more important than ourselves and always working TOGETHER makes us an unstoppable force!!!

[@timkelly2931]

Thanks buddy for posting it Alcoholics Anonymous has had a massive impact in my life

[@budte]

I had my last drink in 1982. I never beat alcohol. It beat me. I have not really 'achieved' anything. I saved my own backside and continue to do so in the moment. Pure self-interest. There is no problem that I could have, that alcohol couldn't make worse. There was a paradox to my early sobriety. All the time I was trying to stop drinking by force, by my mental will and determination, eventually I would end up taking the first drink. I became so despondant and knew it would always be this way. So I gave up fighting and accepted that the next drink would come because I couldn't stop it. I didn't know it, but that was my last drink to date. This was a battle I won by surrendering to reality, to the truth of my situation. I can never beat alcohol. All I can do is put some distance between myself and the drink to make it comfortable in not picking up that first drink. I don't miss it. Always hang in there.

[@jgdooley2003]

That is similar to my relationship with drink. I was asked to cut down but I know myself too well to commit to cutting down, no use lying to a doctor, so I cut it out. I fervently hope there is no life related shock or event that puts me back on it. I had to do the same thing with cigarettes 35 years ago. I am totally convinced that if I take one drink I will be back abusing in no time so it must be none at all for the rest of my life.

[@budte]

@@jgdooley2003 Stopping drinking I thought was the most terrible sacrifice as I considered it to be the only real thing worth living for. Not being able to drink when others could or did not care about the problems it caused them seemed to be the cruelist of fates. And I didn't really believe I could stop anyway...but I also knew I couldn't carry one. Difficult place to be. Buggared. I went to AA for the first 12 years and then left as I am totally opposed to their god based program (it is possible to go and simply reject the program). But listening to many others who had been obsessed like me and were now happy living without drink opened me up to a different perspective. Which was the opposite of my thinking. After quite a lot of months abstinent I went from depressed to thinking that this just might actually be doable. And as the months turned into a couple of years at some point I was happy living without alcohol and no longer obsessed with it. In that sense sanity had been restored. But although the consequences are different, it is exactly like cigarettes - have one and I'd be back on it. In the long term the greater problem is in the mind. The mind that thinks it is missing out. It is the thoughts of missing out that causes the sense of deprivation which is craving. Which leads to the first drink and off we go again. I am I think 21 years off cigarettes. Don't miss it at all because I have a different view of it. My mate who was about 18 years without a cigarette when he died, still missed cigarettes and that was a direct consequence of him holding onto beliefs where he still thought he was missing out on something. I have known many alcoholics and many much nicer people than me who drank and died and some real a---holes who stayed sober for the long term . It really boils down to never taking the first drink under any circumstances whatsoever and not taking it in food etc. In my 40 years of sobriety I have had great times, but i have also been divorced, slept on the street for 5 months, become disabled and so on. There is none of it that a drink could not have made worse. And that is a very different way of looking at it that I just didn't have when I first stopped. My apologies for going on a bit. I wish you well.

[@paulgilraine3127]

Been sober 3 years at the end of the month with the help of AA .I didn't stop right away, I kept getting drunk and going back to new meetings where I thought no body would know me until I got caught by a man who I asked to sponsor me , I told him I had been drinking and he told me to just share it in the meeting I guess just getting caught out got the ball rolling for me.i ended up doing the steps and now I open a meeting every Saturday myself .the program works , I never thought I could stop drinking but I do now and i live a happy loving greatful life.

[@ROCKEMSOCKEM51]

These two continue to surprise me with how well they go together

[@sheamullens8685]

I don’t see many people talk about the programs and admit addiction problems thanks for sharing Theo

[@joakims6140]

Keep up fellas! The program is a wonderful foundation to grow happiness (and sobriety!). It makes me sad that the fellowship has been drown by threatment centers. The program is 100% about to find a greater power, not to sit in circles of humans and speak about “problems”. Blessings from Sweden🇸🇪 /10 yrs clean n sober

[@chinmusic2722]

The best thing that happens is when you begin serving others who suffer you get out of yourself

[@lulumoon6942]

So true, Daniel, and then you feel your curse was a gift! 🙏

[@MichaelJames707]

"No matter naughty or nice, cinnamon or spice." 💯🙏🏻

[@kirstihampton8445]

Great insight. Thank You !

[@josephmccarthy8745]

Success for me was finally crying. out to my higher power for help. I realized all those unsuccessful attempts to stop on my own understanding. I was ready this time to commit to a celebrate recovery program and counseling. Finding my underlying sources to the substance abuse and doing the hard work of admitting. Believing. Trusting. Inventory forgiveness. Amends. Etc. and facing pain to heal. I wanted change this time and I know it’s a lifetime commitment. Don’t run anymore. ..

[@poetcomic1]

I'm used to Jordan sparring with major minds and formidable rivals but this shows me that if little ole me were sitting across from Jordan and having a conversation he would completely meet me where I was coming from. Thanks for this.

[@PCB-dg7pt]

I am 3 years sober and it is the best thing that happened to me or for me! Much thanks to those of you that reach out to others like me!!

[@stillnessinmovement]

awesome theo's description of the universal love from...whatever it is that it came. ive felt that in many situations and it's a huge part of my optimisim and resiliency. life in progress, of course. thanks for sharing theo.

[@empoweryou1]

I admire Theo more every time I hear him. Thank you brother!

[@kendraonorato3624]

Just left a meeting. Man I love my people

[@briano9397]

🙏🙏🙏

[@Westcoasteagles2018]

One day at a time sister 🙏

[@xperrience]

Im going to AA tonight. I called my friend last night and told him i need help. He drove down immediately we sat at the beach and he told me he's been waiting for that call from me for a long time and that tomorrow (today) he was taking me to AA. Crazy thing is ive been trying to hang with him over the last year and always thought he was ghosting me.... but i found out last night he didnt wanna be around my constantly drinking ass... what a wake up call.

[@briano9397]

@@xperrience good luck man !! That's huge! One day at a time. Worry bout getting tonight done that's all you can do. Then tomorrow's a new day

[@xperrience]

@@briano9397 thanks pal! Little anxious for sure

[@614ragechannel]

Theo, you were literally speaking a experience similar to mine and it’s the humbling experience to have. Nothing but gratitude

[@randallparaday4102]

I've had that experience also. Best thing ever to feel and experience Gods love and grace.

[@anxofmyown]

This video is amazing it’s wonderful to see people I look up to like Theo von working the 12 steps

[@AcoreOneRlovE]

17 Months sober from drugs. 4 weeks sober from alcohol, going to AA meetings and see other people who totally understands you, helps so much! It may be confusin in the start, or a feeling that you dont understand some words who are used there. But just keep going, and you will understand and you will be comfortable there!

[@ItzSupp]

I LOVE BOTH THEO AND JORDAN. THIS IS LEGENDARY!!! God bless

[@khill3524]

Just listened to the whole podcast. What a beautiful conversation these two had. Theo asked some good questions.

[@jackc981]

All glory to God I stopped drinking alcohol, 6 years ago, please do it It's absolutely a sacrifice but it worth it.

[@lulumoon6942]

Steady on, Jack, and keep Him in your sight.

[@scottshanahan3827]

AA saved my dad's life. He died earlier this year after 35 years of sobriety. He would've died a long time ago without AA, I'm sure. He also became a giant in his AA community. He sponsored a ton of people. When he died dozens of people, I'd never met before, told me, "your dad saved my life."

[@garyrooks9553]

3 days sober today, whe. Theo touched on being shook to the core about recovery and realizing that someone/something else cared about him without an explanation is what I expierenced 3 days ago. CANNOT wait till it to my next meeting tomorrow

[@tiffy101ification]

I think we’ve all struggled during the pandemic. Keep doing what works, to the best of your ability! We need each other on this journey of restoration & recovery! Thank you for staying clean another day! Your a miracle.

[@karmaone27]

I've been sober from alcohol for six years now with zero AA classes or groups. I take l-glutamine before I eat breakfast and this takes away all the cravings of sugar and alcohol cravings. AA is great for most people but for an introverted artist like me who doesn't like being around a lot of people it felt like torture and I preferred to quit cold turkey.

[@Recoveryplus]

Would you say that you're now full of joy and loving your life?

[@richardanderson7387]

@@Recoveryplus If I had a nickel for every AA member who talked about "happy, joyous and free" while burning down a whole cigarette in one pull...I'd have a whole bunch of nickels. If that's "joy and loving your life" then I'd rather be miserable. LOL.

[@Recoveryplus]

@@richardanderson7387 nothing in life works 100% all the time. happy joyous and free is possible but you have to make sacrifices. being sober doesn't guarantee it. i have done the work that has allowed me to trully experience the state of inner-joy. and i want to help others find it too.

[@richardanderson7387]

@@Recoveryplus God for you but the assumption that you have to do AA steps to be "happy, joyous and free" is one of the more loathsome things about the program. This guy quit on his own. He has six years now. He deserves credit for being more than the implication that he might be a "dry drunk".

[@Recoveryplus]

@@richardanderson7387 i genuinely wanted to know if he was happy and how he had gotten there without the program. the 12 steps are a simple and effective blueprint for living a good life. i bet you that people who are happy and joyous and free live by many of the same principles even if they're not in the program.

[@michaelgreen9452]

I had no problem ruining my life by drinking when it only affected me. But once it put my family through the ringer, I knew it was time to quit. One day at a time.

[@alicia7240]

The description of being shook like being electrocuted is so relatable, Theo.

[@arthurdevlet3494]

I love Theo Von. One day at a time brother. Thank you.

[@brannanwilliams5496]

This is helpful for me. Today is day 3 of being sober and admitting I am an alcoholic.

[@brannanwilliams5496]

@rockyraccoon3630 thank you for checking in. June 16th was 2 years with no alcohol. My life is so much better with out it.

[@brannanwilliams5496]

@rockyraccoon3630 congrats!!! That is great!! I am sure you feel like shit right now and are nervous about how to do it but it will get better. Take it One day at a time.

[@corbindaniel4510]

That feeling was an absolute blessing. I don't know if I would've made it this far without it. A spiritual experience. Thank God

[@bryanriggs9639]

Thank you! I've always wanted hear JP's opinions on AA

[@Finnegan708]

AA worked for me,17 yrs still sober. I live a sacramental life now as a catholic.

[@harmonygordon6901]

Praise be to God! JESUS is the answer. I pray that each person who explores the 12 steps gets a FULL conversion to Jesus Christ as Savior. I too am Catholic and grateful for the Sacramental life !

[@jjayala]

2 years and some change. And I have today. As a proud father who loves his kids more than anything quitting drinking is the most rewarding thing I've ever done.

[@thesobrietyplaybook]

Glad you got sober Theo. The program is so transformative.

[@KwangTheMongrel]

Man this video is really amazing

[@robertparkerjratx]

Just made 4 months on V-Day! As a working musician there’s nearly a daily struggle being in the environment of alcohol but God, do I feel so much better every time I deny myself a drink. Keep pushing!

[@TazConlon]

“To have an experience like that is a real gift”. I had that experience also Theo brother and I see mr Peterson is slowly experiencing the love of God.

[@lulumoon6942]

Wow, you said it!!! 🙏

[@rethinkingjesus]

Great video!

[@user-jc9eo3vg1y]

12 years sober. I could not have done it without AA. My life is changed forever.

[@mrasmussen90]

There are many preferable treatment options. AA has like a 5% success rate.

[@Daniel-nj4gn]

Because AA is a program of accountability. For those accountable, it has a 100 percent success rate. Your stats are intentionally dishonest. Keep drinking little boy.

[@easygoing7500]

@@Daniel-nj4gn You sound like my sewer rat sponsor, who abused me, broke my anonymity and gossiped and invented rumors. 95% of all "12" step snake oil salesman should burn in hell. The 5% success rate sounds a little to high!

[@gcarlson]

From my experience, I was glad AA was there. It's not perfect, but like the Doc said, it's not exploitive either. There were a couple of characters who did not do me any good, judgmental and a little self righteous, but those people are everywhere. Overall, Much better to have AA than to not have AA.

[@kirkjohnson9353]

Well said. Part of my personal process was letting go of some stubborn ideas I had about perfection. These ideas were poisoning everything in my life.

[@flurpes]

How about the gigantic building in NYC, they are exploitative as all donations go there.

[@kc-qs8qg]

exploitative - as it takes away your ability to think for yourself - the cost is priceless...

[@jasonwillett2126]

@@kc-qs8qg I have seen hundreds of people damaged from 12 steps

[@kc-qs8qg]

@@jasonwillett2126 oxford group etc - occult religious roots of aa - step 11, conscious contact with god?? hearing voices?? - initial moral support, more damaging the further you go into 'the programme' - pure back-shit crazy quack cult...

[@spacecowboy9479]

Thank you very much.

[@mechanicman8687]

The doctors told me I’ll be dead by 45 if I didn’t stop drinking. AA helped me stop drinking 14 years ago. I’m still trudging with my 14 year chip. Life sucks better when I’m sober

[@giarcnella66]

My main criticism of AA is that it can become ‘cultish’ later on. The initial assistance is great but after time it can become a self-indulgent crutch. Ideally AA should be a bridge to sobriety not a lifestyle.

[@lulumoon6942]

Fair enough, but some do seen to need such routine. So long as it is free and a choice.

[@lisajohnson6351]

Why? Most I know that stay in it do it as a lifestyle. That’s probably why I didn’t like it.

[@user-bv8jy7cd1c]

This is a common mistake that lead to slipping. It is not a “lifestyle” or a trendy thing. It is just service work. Work. Yes it is fun and satisfying. The hugs, the friends... some people seem to crave that. I like it it hindsight, but don’t feed off it. Don’t need it as a crutch. What I need is meaning. And this experience that I endured/witnessed/was blessed with is a story that has to be shared to be useful or meaningful. I share it with the hopeless, because it has hope. Like feeding a hungry person, very satisfying. The program gives this horrible experience of selfishness a deeper meaning that REQUIRES it to be shared to continue its meaning. Plus as I share I am reminded of what brought me to this better place. This path on which I must stay or MY HOPE IS LOST.

[@50pinkies67]

I quit drinking the first time w help from AA. That lasted 8 years. And yes I agree w you 💯. But for newcomers it's a great tool to quit drinking w help of others and to get our shattered life together. It does become quite cult like later on, which I found to be a distraction. I later relapsed, because I set myself up to relapse. The second time I quit drinking I did it because I was sick of ME and the life I had chosen. That was 9 years ago. God did for me what I could not do for myself. I'm still making life changes. This time my sobriety has more depth, meaning and joy.

[@lulumoon6942]

@@user-bv8jy7cd1c WOW, well said 🙏

[@brackinsteve]

I haven't had a drink in yrs. Every victory whether it be booze, weed, meth, cigarettes, pills, I give all of the glory to God almighty. Most ppl had long ago wrote me off but he never did.

[@jonbock4853]

All of this,, well said. Thank you

[@samdung5630]

I love the vulnerable sharing in AA!!

[@fantaring705]

I'm crying after hearing Theo talk about the lord's uncondonditional love. "Naughty or nice, cinnamon or spice, this thing loves me."

[@psychegoddessoflight9358]

🤍😭🙌🏽 When you’ve felt it, you KNOW it’s not like anything else in this world. And when people who’ve done all manner of substances say that, it’s worthy of consideration.

[@hitpaydrtwithkdrt]

That love is called Agape. The devine love. The love that God has for you, and that God has for me

[@biggav7434]

Good point by JP. Going to AA meetings (at the very least), gets you in contact and regular fellowship with sober people. Away from your drinking buddies, and perhaps alcoholic family members.

[@Starry_Skye22]

NA and AA have helped me tremendously. I'm a major opiate addict and addict of any mind or mood altering substance. The support you get from these programs and some of the things we learn like progress over perfection. One day at a time, those things have helped me in every aspect of my life.