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[@LexClips]

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[@waltershumer4211]

Would love to hear a interview with Alexander Dugan on the subject of traditionalism, the antithesis to the post 1945 liberal world order which has been dominant up until this point and is showing signs of collapse....... Benjamin titlebaum a left wing sociologist has written a book about the subject called war for eternity who would also be a very good guest on the subject. thank you very much.

[@lightfoot.2000]

inspiring 😑🙏

[@amc3463]

Peterson is a 🤡 in a suit and doesn't understand the situation

[@waltershumer4211]

@@amc3463 ..... What doesn't he understand?

[@waltershumer4211]

@@FredSully .... I am pro russian, but when it comes to Azov battalion, you should understand this is a very small group of people, and does not represent Ukraine as a whole as is evidenced by their Jewish president...... That said there was a genocide in Ukraine called the holodomor in which Russia starved and killed millions upon millions of ukrainians, as a consequence the Germans of this time period were seen as liberators and saviors, (and indeed they were) so there is a statue of a national socialist in Ukraine which a very small group of people still honor with flowers every year, not to celebrate national socialism, but to show gratitude. One thing I've learned about history is that there's no such thing as a good guy and a bad guy, it's always black and white....... People are disappointing that way, boath individually and collectively. I'm afraid it is only the ignorant and foolish who have the satisfaction of a motion picture like clear distinction in between good and bad when it comes to these things.

[@juliaelrod2154]

😊 My dad, a Canadian, passed away a couple years ago. I didn't know how much I missed hearing "bloody this and bloody that" until I heard Jordan say it.💞

[@paulheydarian1281]

Why didn't these same concerns and questions come up when discussing Afghanistan and Iraq? Or Libya? Or Syria? Or Yemen? Or so many other nations. Why?

[@brandoncorley5922]

They did it's just no one "credible" was listening

[@anthonysillas4017]

Not one to post or ever reply but why should he???? Haven’t really watched this dude ngl just started and you right from the last 2 weeks of watching short clips he does bring this topic up a lot. Not a lex type human but even I clearly can tell he has a personal reason and connection that is troubling him, you can tell he is trynna to work out how he feels. I assume he’s Russian or maybe from the region???? Not sure why he has to use his spotlight to talk about the rest tho……just cause you care doesn’t mean he has too, you know. You didn’t ask me personally but just some thoughts.

[@caglayandursunoglu6731]

Or maybe they don’t matter much? Maybe people don’t give a shit about those places since the war there is continuing since the beginning of time {exaggerating to make a point if you are sensitive} {just brainstorming}

[@Diewux]

Why you are buying smartphone instead of sending money for starving people? It’s same kinda logic. You cant expect same attention on everything. This war happens literally in europe and it affected it most, so western world is audible about it. Whether you like it or not.

[@rossoriordan2]

They did come up.

[@IrLosin]

Jordan is so right about politicians isolating themselves. It's so much easier to dehumanise your opponents when you don't have normal human contact with them.

[@mikegreen3517]

well said

[@olivergoodness7694]

Beautiful

[@mischa_solt]

You speaking about Putin? About normal contact with Putin?

[@joebenson528]

@@mischa_solt Yes the guy standing up for the independent people of the DPR and LPR against the NATO installed apartheid regime.

[@tymurmylosvietov4120]

@@joebenson528 you must be russian or really blind. It is clearly an imperialistic war by russia against Ukraine.

[@lucienwmoon]

One thing, out of many, that I admire about Lex is his ability to communicate. I often find people, sometimes including myself, rushing to get words out of their mouths. When Lex speaks, he does so very deliberately and is able to articulate a sentence so well because of it.

[@woofwoof9647]

@@GStones58 He is very shy an has annxiety problems he spoke about it in a video awhile back !! He thinks before he speaks bro !!

[@woofwoof9647]

@@GStones58 All Good mate was just stating fact cos i watched that video , No dis - respect intended towards You My Friend Blessingsfrom New Zealand . May All Your Dreams and Wishes Come True !!

[@woofwoof9647]

@@GStones58 Mate You are most Welcome in New Zealand Anytime . And Yes The Thylacine Most Certainly is alive an Well on Mainland Australia all over and Tasmainia unfortunatly Not in New Zealand i have been Following Neil Waters with Thylacine Awareness Group of Australia and Tasmania inc fascinating for me also Yowie Australian Sabe ( Sasquatch ) basicly thousands of sightings an encounters . We also have Moehau Man our Sabe ( Sasquatch ) havnt had an encounter Yeti but are seriously looking forward to one . I live beside Mt Egmont and 34500 hectares of National Park but sadly Nothing in here No food Damn 1080 poison !! Also sittings of a large lion like cat has had many sightings also endemic to Australia Awesome stuff ill look up the name for ya m8 .

[@woofwoof9647]

@@GStones58 Haha gezz thats funny yeah ol Steve i picked up on him just before he got into the Sabe side as fascinated as i am about Sabe i loved his hunting stories im a hunter myself 14 deer 6 fallow 6 Sika an 2 Reds so far an many pigs with dogs an Rifle when younger 60 now just got a Beautiful Browning X Bolt Sythetic Stainless 300 Win Mag with a Bushnell 4-12 x44 scope Awesome !! Thyacoleo is the name of that Cat in Australia many sightings of these too !! Mate i would love Come to the Lone Star State Dont Mess with Texas !!! Hog Hunting Big Uns !!

[@woofwoof9647]

@@GStones58 Cool ol Shotgun Ok ill explain to you my take on what Steve is doing ( by the way thats funny youve been blocked ) Rito he was reading Hunting stories with pretty much all his own experiences i believe him about his own encounters as you would have heard about them and his Grandfathers encounter which i actually find weird that he didnt hear that till Steve was 26 years old anyway he began getting Sabe stories more mixed in with Hunting encounters an because he had sympathy for these people the riddicule an hassle they had if saying or telling anyone so many people have been silent for years and i reckon Steve gave them an opening or opportunity to share their encounter beeing good or bad and because BFRO are so much Bullshit and not listening or turning away real encounters an not taking people seriously that has pissed Steve off immensly and he himself wants answers from gubermint for himself and all these different people and David Paulides and Scott Carpenter 411 the missing ones everyone wants answers i actually dont watch Steve as much now i want the old music back i dont like that drone an music bring back hunting one an him at the end with his arms out wheres the Tee Shirt of him doing that ??? Asked him to please do Tee Shirt but nah !! So now he has a hugh following an im not that much into fishing either and hes hard out trying to get answers and also its not just him now with Sarah and kids not same anymore !! i havnt had an encounters or seen anything here in New Zealand but i was.6 years old when Patterson / Gimmlin film Patty came out i believed it then it hasnt been debunked anyway who would of thought to have falsefied Sabe with a Female Sabe in those days an yes ive seen Franks suit that was guna be faked it was light brown Patty was Black an Boobies !! The sightings of Yowie in Australia are in the thousands same as Canada America Vietnam skunk apes Florida Skunk apes Hymalayas Yeti Moehau Man New Zealand Scotland England Wales Russia chyna sightings are becoming more numouruos worldwide hehe then well shall we Dogman Wendigos Rakes Werewolves haha we could go on its 8.37 pm now ok ill leave it at that mate . Message anytime Bro .

[@silviuvelovici8307]

As a Romanian living in the US for the last 30 years I totally agree with Mr. Peterson that the West has lost its mind.

[@abc-eq9so]

I was in Romania couple of days ago. I'm Serbian. Romania is ages ahead today. I remember back in Yugoslavian days Romania was like third world country. How things have changed...

[@КонстантинМатвеев-д8ц]

Romania have fallen into the bottomless pit of western corruption. You have no right to talk on behalf of your country until you return back to your country and set things right, traitor.

[@КонстантинМатвеев-д8ц]

@@abc-eq9so Romania today is far way worse than a third world country. Today it is a capitol of child prostitution and human trafficking in Europe.

[@totozviara]

You and Jordan can always move to Russia

[@1stsampan]

@@totozviara Some do. And you can move to Cuba.

[@Unknown-yu3ms]

Conversation is everything! Thank you both for letting us in on this conversation. Stay happy, stay healthy. 🍻

[@juniperman]

Conversation is talk … talk is cheep

[@briancrumpacker]

There are so many things to be learned from the ONE CLIP that can not only be applied directly to this subject matter, but can be used to extrapolate on many different aspects of our lives. I thank the both of you for continuing to show us how to use our minds in a correct fashion, to effectively communicate and complete our thoughts.

[@chriskindler10]

so what exactly did you learn from this clip?

[@Thawhid]

@@chriskindler10is this an insulting comment or? This was a good clip for sure

[@cmath6454]

Jordan Peterson is the king of pushing stories on everything and everyone. Thinking he's contextualizing reality when human beings form judgements based on themselves. In essence he just describes himself and pushes it on others.

[@agriskaminskis9352]

Fabricated fantasy of Russia by Peterson. I know quite a lot about Russia and this is outright manipulation by Peterson. Or he is an idiot. One cannot miss so badly. He thinks he's so smart that he takes partial info about a thing and paints the picture of the whole without proper due diligance. A smartass idiot.

[@IntricateIntrovert]

@@cmath6454 So you lack the mental capacity to comprehend his words? Got it

[@jessemohring3484]

Watching and listening to conversations like these makes it more difficult to have a conversation with a friend with out having debate turn into argument. Discussion is becoming a rare form these days.

[@GoodFellerTreeCare]

Very true

[@johnmatonne7834]

I agree, I can't talk to democrats any longer. I wonder why anyone would vote for a democrat and their woke-ism

[@cognitivefuse5913]

An argument is a debate.

[@ivandafoe5451]

These two clowns are in agreement on this issue...so a discussion is possible. If you are in agreement with them and expect your friends to agree with you in the same way, then you will have to confine your hoped-for conversations to friends who are as delusional as you are.

[@screamingatthesky1878]

@@ivandafoe5451 Calling some of the most intelligent and non biased minds on the internet 'clowns' is the most clown shit I've ever read, fat L

[@darvinist87]

As a Russian I cannot agree with prof. Peterson entirely, but I must give him credit, he does much better job understanding Russia than so many others.

[@nocturne000]

Hey I'm curious, what would you say he got right, and got wrong? I'd like to understand the Russian perspective better, if you would be so kind.

[@AlexanderMeldianov]

@@nocturne000 Where he's right: Mismanagement of Western policy has led to the conflict. We see it as vile will rather. Where he's not quite right: - Russia does not have expansionist goals. We are biggest on Earth, we don't need territories, name any natural resource, we have a lot of it. Russia would not leave what it took for the first month of SMO if it wanted to conquer Ukraine. Russian terms for Istanbul negotiations April 2022 did not contain any territorial claims. - Putin is sincere, Russia is sincere and we don't understand why what we say is hard to understand. - Dugin is not important in Russian modern philosophy whatsoever, he's seen as a freak. Russians are normal, we don't like extremes. - Hate towards Russians in Ukraine has its limits, there is significant part of Ukrainians who support our goals. Majority of such has left the country not willing to fight for Ukraine. - Putin is not in human bubble, he just lost last remnants of trust to the current Western elites. He does not see to whom he could talk in the West who would not break all agreements like times and times and times before. His position is 'you lied to our face quite enough and we're done with you. We don't want anything to do with you anymore'.

[@nocturne000]

@@AlexanderMeldianov First of all, I really appreciate you taking the time to educate me on an important perspective I don't get to hear that often. I especially think Putin being fed up with western shenanigans and dishonest statecraft makes the most sense. A lot of people don't understand the full extent to which western Europe and the USA has been trying to coopt Ukraine, using deception and other nefarious means. I'm not saying they were the only ones doing it, but people need to realize this conflict can't be boiled down into such a simplistic reason. There's way more nuance. Anyway thanks again for the perspective. It made me think about things I hadn't before which is valuable.

[@LoveBagpipes]

​@@AlexanderMeldianovvery well said! 🇦🇺 As an Australian, I agree with what you said...and Putin's messaging has been consistent and easy to understand

[@nocturne000]

@@AlexanderMeldianov I swear I replied to this, but it seems like is disappeared… in any case all I wanted to say was how much I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question. It’s incredibly important for this perspective to be heard. The idea that there’s just this “hatred” towards Ukraine has never made much since to me. Like you said, it only goes so far. Trust and a sense of security on the other hand are something I think we can all understand. That’s the great thing about talking to people from, or traveling to other countries. You’ll notice no matter where you go, you’ll find other people. And other people are easier to relate to than what the media wants to portray, or not portray. That second point as well is significant. Putin did exactly what he said he would. I’m tact, he’s done what he said he would many times and yet for some reason it’s portrayed like it’s random. Again, I very much appreciate your detailed comment. I find it funny (as an American) that my country thinks they have any leg to stand on when it comes to military actions taken, or statecraft. Take care, friend.

[@ufgator18]

The hospitality aspect is fascinating. I've never thought of it that way, but providing grand hospitality to your guests even if they are strangers is actually a bonding experience.

[@steelcom5976]

You actually needed someone to tell you that?

[@sc100ott]

And if we saw a Western leader treat Putin, Xi, Kim, King Salman(Saudi), Rouhanni (Iran), or any potentially adversarial leader with a modicum of hospitality, the opposition party within our own Western country would spin it as an outrage. This is a big reason why we can’t solve many of our problems.

[@steelcom5976]

@@sc100ott You have to be f*c*ing kidding

[@TheReferrer72]

@@sc100ott Do you think European leaders did not treat any of these leaders with hospitality? I feel sorry for this world, where liberals think they have to pander to everyone.

[@abditus5842]

Ronald Reagan would have Tip O’Neil over for drinks and jokes once a week while he was President and Tip led the opposition. Jack Welch, legendary CEO of GE had the Union leaders and their families over for barbecues. Hospitality breaks down barriers and allows us to see the “ opposition” as people.

[@lepsze]

Is in it funny how JP interrupted Lex to add part on how listening is important :) 14:10

[@RobMcGrath0]

It was, i thought i saw Lex smile at that too XD

[@TheKeithlb]

I giggled a little too. His timing was comedy on that one. We all human and continue to make mistakes. Love is the answer as we are all starting to conclude... finally. I'm excited to see this realize for the whole human population. I love you all!

[@jkws3724]

Good Listening has nothing to do with letting people finish speaking and everything to do with listening

[@lepsze]

@@jkws3724 this is kind of stretched interpretation. I can agree to some extent, yet in the same time I would still argue that listening is primarily about listening to the whole what other people want to say.

[@tomstark28]

@@jkws3724 hard to listen to what you haven't allowed to be said.

[@Go-ah-oold]

It is so refreshing to hear him speak about this issue, this perspective is different enough from the standard analysis to make it proportionately interesting. So lovely!

[@adriantodea3005]

Lex has always impressed me with his genuine posture.

[@johnmatonne7834]

Yes, he sits up straight

[@senior_java]

Kremlin agent. Lex is an agent

[@TheKidsInTheRoom]

haha not easy I agree.

[@pawemostek3587]

Lex still thinks Russia is a great country and Russians are great people - the truth is opposite most of Russians think like Putin. Russians created Putin and Putin is able to attack and murder other nations because russians allow it and support it. Lex STOP promoting Russia !!!

[@gg6886]

He is Batman

[@julienwoodstock5546]

Finally a podcast with jorden Peterson I’ve been waiting for this for tooo long

[@MrTweaksTV]

you obviously mean jordache petersen

[@kogaigo1]

Saying Putin is worse than Stalin is great exaggeration if anything

[@tedmusson5179]

Stalin was two things. The most propaganda lied about human on earth, and the greatest statesman of the twentieth. Similarly but in the opposite direction churchill was one of the greatest racists of the 20th. Let me remind that Britain sat thumb massaging sphincter while nazi was made strong destroying legally elected Spain.

[@tedmusson5179]

Let me add that the racist coalition of France, UK, U$a, et al. created hitler and nazi with hideous bankster WWI.

[@tedmusson5179]

Saying Putin is almost as great as Stalin is a blatant truth. The initials tell the west's story in a vulgar sort of way... U$UK I AM HOUTHIS

[@misterwhipple2870]

Maybe so, but I think that what they mean is that Putin WANTS to be worse than Stalin, but he just hasn't managed it yet.

[@Dudush90]

@@misterwhipple2870 dont u think Putin see whats going on now and still he is protecting Russia ? what west is doing towards Russia is really BS, imagine this on other side, they would never accept this, and Putin tolerate it all this years...even war in Georgia happened because of west interest...Im just gamer but still this is going this way, NATO surrounding Russia, lets take all countries around u, now left really few, and then we just went in from nearly all sides and u have no chance to respond, and I feel for Russia this is happening...I understand Putin and he tolerate west so much and for me he gets trapped by west...and I know also how US propaganda works, what US do its all OK, they have under control nato/EU they gonna be silent, US can do whatever they want, and they even did...Syria,Lybia,Jemen...other countries there, and anyone cared that US destroyed that country and took their resources ? but now I see, Russia stand up, said enough and people dont see it, evil is still Russia...

[@marcus_ohreallyus]

It's a talk about the war in Ukraine without actually talking about the war in Ukraine

[@devinsayswecanflyingram6321]

did you want Jordan Peterson, a clinical psychologist, to give a war analysis of the situation and circumstances on the ground?

[@TgfkaTrichter]

@@devinsayswecanflyingram6321 considering that he constantly comments on stuff that he has no idea about and does not understand... then why not?

[@DiviousVicious]

It's about causes, which matters.

[@tkkunaka2630]

They spoke about the causes so yeah

[@Cockmonging]

@@TgfkaTrichter it's fine since it seems to work for you eh?

[@lineinthesand663]

I think they are being overgenerous in their descriptions of US Congressmen.

[@michaelwhardy1908]

I think most of the conservative congressmen are genuinely there to help the country but the ones on the left will have a set of ideas 1 year and then say they believe the opposite next year just to get elected but conservative view points hedge remained the same for a very long time

[@ujmm]

You wouldn't think Peterson is talking about congressmen from a country where the majority interest has much less effect on policy change compared to special interests. The main reason why the u.s is not placed in the top 10. on the democracy index. Corruption is a massive problem that somehow gets disguised because people are allowed to press one of two buttons every fourth year.

[@cryptodavidw]

Right xD are we ignoring the corruption?

[@ElectricAIDS]

I like this comment because it is theatrical as Jordan said but it could be true it is a broad statement.

[@Longlivedixie7]

Loved the conversation until things drifted away from Putin & Ukraine. Would had like to heard much more of you twos thoughts regarding that. Thank you for the first part in any case.

[@markvel8605]

The think is that there isn’t much to discuss. Just another tyrant brainwashing his nation

[@finerbiner]

Conservative, Liberal, Leftist, Rethuglican etc... If you need to use these terms to make your point you should stop. Go back, try to get a better grip on your view and bring it to the world without loading it with BS before you start.

[@hardcoresb3]

I dislike labels. We as a human species have bigger fish to fry.

[@ВикторЦай-л7я]

Jesus Christ! When I have heard Jordan Peterson talking about that Putin convinced Russians that Russia is the saver who will save the world from degeneracy of the West I got scared. How the hell he knows what people talk on my streets! This guy seems to me so smart and insightful in a sense that he can dig deep, very deep, take my respect Mr. Peterson. Great conversation! Thank you, Lex

[@mozes7786]

If you understand human psychology and how sociological concepts work, its not hard to extrapolate and gleam.

[@pindapoy1596]

@ Виктор Цай Maybe Putin did not have to convince his people that Russia is a saver. Maybe he just exposed the obvious faults of a capitalist regime gone wild and the Russians instinctively rejected that type of society. People (all over the world that have strong values) do not need to be dragged into convictions that their leaders attempt to impose on them. Russia and the Russian people are far from acting like the crusaders did when they wanted to "liberate" the holy places. They simply reject the way of life of the western world because the flaws are obvious to them. And incidentally, given that their educational system is far superior to that in the western world, they do not have to be told because they are able to reason

[@margieaustman]

I’ve heard this of Putins feelings towards the west…. A shared view of the easts views of westerners degeneration.

[@mozes7786]

@@margieaustman so move there if you like it so much ya salami

[@tankerd1847]

I think the saddest thing is that Americans, Brits and other Western Europeans can't figure out that we were doing the same exact thing almost 20 years ago when we were pushing to go fight in Iraq. We came up with BS reasons to go invade a sovereign nation in order to trick the people into fulfilling the government's greater geopolitical goals. Ukraine to Russia is cut from the same tree as Iraq to America. The difference is that Russia didn't back Iraq. I worry greatly what this conflict may become, I seriously do not want to see nuclear war or any war between the United States and Russia, the consequences would be unspeakable.

[@vtheman1850]

This one was awesome, great job from the both of you, especially Lex who is very critical of Russia's invasion. A really good conversation.

[@gsomethingsomething2658]

Lex, please get Vlad Vexler on. He has brilliant insight on Putin and the current war.

[@imagination1170]

He really doesn't, at the end of the day it comes to two questions. Do you as Russian president continue to allow the genocide of Donbass and allow NATO to park missiles on your border?

[@EZPZMAGA]

How about Vlad+JP with lex moderating?😜

[@Sophie.S..]

Vlad Vexler is a brilliant political philosopher - he has no time for Jordan Peterson.

[@nikital7541]

Vexler lives in a bubble

[@sd1082]

Yeah Vexler is having a spy inside Putin’s mind.. He can manipulate everything into anything.. all the real life happenings that Lex channel shows and gives evidence, Vex will bind a lot of complex english hypothesis

[@RealityCheck6969]

14:10 "You Batman." Finally it's official. Lex is Batman. He knows karate. The secret is out.

[@Jagar_Tharn]

9:40 More evidence. I have to concur with your conclusion.

[@Fervillasmil]

I’m trying to raise my children so they can think for themselves with logic and to express themselves in a way close to what this two men accomplish. Lex is a Titan and so is Jordan. This articulated speaking of thought is what is disappearing from nowadays far to easy consumption of bullshit from all angles of fast net media experiences and kind of avoided by regular primary and secondary education levels.

[@jupitermoongauge4055]

You think Peterson uses logic ? Not really. He has a list of very illogical opinions that he attempts to legitimise through obfuscation and obscurantism which is complicated enough to fool a lot of people into thinking that he is using logic. Peterson is a con artist, a pseudo intellectual and guy who very often doesn't have a clue about the true nature of the things he is angry about which means he's just a run of the mill right wing reactionary bigot

[@moorediane7831]

I am glad you stressed ‘good leaders’. I doubt we have many on seeing the poverty, hunger & homelessness in this world. The destruction of the middle class to poor is being driven globally by governments.

[@steelcom5976]

But you vote for those governments so YOU are to blame.

[@BeEnNLGaming]

Thats not because they are good or bad, its because they are greedy.

[@jacobsvensson8193]

@@BeEnNLGaming If they are greedy to the point of not caring if millions of people die as a consequence of their greed, is it then wrong for us to view them as 'bad'?

[@AydarBMSTU]

putin is no great leader btw

[@steelcom5976]

@@jacobsvensson8193 It's a human construct. It doesn't actually exist.

[@Wishlake]

Peterson suggesting that Western governments not being 'hospital' in communicating with Russia, justyfing invasion on a sovern country is just something I never thought I'm gonna hear from him.

[@jackstone4825]

You must be used to hearing it from your leaders ever since WW2. They just brainwashed you with a quasi moralistic pretense of ‘going in to protect the local population from a terrible dictator’… This is the biggest issue with you Westerners, your holier than thou attitude towards the rest of the world, whose cultures you don’t give a flying f*ck about understanding, before you invade them for their resources… No worries, your decline is coming to an end… Just another empire of lies falling, just a page in the book of history.

[@Looper4Life]

The point made about Putin being isolated during covid and the importance of human interaction was interesting. It reminded me of the scene from Goodfellas when around a table playing cards and laughing Jimmy called off the hit on Morrie.

[@gregolsen1099]

I didn’t know how to take that, though. Was it just Jimmy saying that to Henry, to relax him? Because not long after that, Maurie got the ice pick treatment. I thought it was a great build up, a bunch of guys, friends-out late drinking, and laughing, and the next thing I see, Tommy’s hitting maurie’s light switch. That’s the best way to describe the people who are in that life. Savage.

[@DetectiveTrupo203]

I was just talking about that the other day. Jimmy says "don't worry about tonight " and Henry's voice over is talking about how Maury would never know how close he came to getting whacked, and then the very next scene is him getting ice picked in the back of the head in the front seat of the car lmao, like what the hell

[@jfd4755]

Lex you are a great interviewer and Jordan no more to add, eloquence as it best

[@argonaut5617]

Peterson is arrogant ofc, but what is most important there is that he's lying about the reasons of what's happening in Ukraine, doing his best serious face. He's just lying. Ukraine got anti-constitutional coup trampled main laws. That laws was made for people of Ukraine. Ukrainian govt allowed CIA to rule the country. All CIA wanted is false flag war with Russia, it's old as opium wars. All this Peterson's speech is another chewing gum for brainless homegrowed hamsters who believe CNN, the difference is minimal. So well, you'll feel worse of these lies after all, apparently that's what you want to get, so listen to Peterson further.

[@DineshJ]

Lex... you are starting to become a more-rounded and total intellectual. I agree, the issue with the wars is an issue of spirit.... of bad energy.

[@brutallyremastered4255]

“bad energy”? Ffs, lol.

[@DineshJ]

@@brutallyremastered4255yep...bad JuJu I'm a goddam hippy what can I say 😂

[@hmq9052]

It's a good job you're not in charge of foreign policy

[@DineshJ]

@@hmq9052 it's true what you say.... I'd start every diplomatic meeting with a hug, a cup of Ayahuasca and then light up sense incense sticks.... Not sure if it would work

[@Boogra]

@@DineshJ Well, it certainly couldn't be much worse than it is today. That's for damn sure.

[@RockLee679]

Lex is a pro at listening. Never interrupts

[@imeleventeen]

There should be a class for anyone who wants to be a politician where it’s about 50/50. The emphasis should be on bonding and seeing eachother as humans. While understanding they in a sense have a common goal but see different ways of getting there. It should be explained how each sides brain is physically different, so they are literally seeing the world through different lenses. It should also be explained why each side needs the other side to balance government. It’d probably be helpful for them to learn about creativity and industrious differences too. All while having the point that we are two different types of humans trying to do good through different paths. Afterwards every year or so there should be bonding parties. They seem to see this as a sport where we are two different teams trying to win, instead we are actually one team who need to understand team work

[@thelmaviaduct]

Day 1, how to be honest.

[@rhysperegrine5100]

Very few moral issues are 50/50. Generally, one side's argument makes significantly more sense than the other's. I'm glad the signatories of Magna Carta didn't make more of an effort to see things from the perspective of King John. I'm glad political reformers in the 1800s didn't go on team building exercises with the defenders of the aristocracy. I'm glad that Civil Rights campaigners didn't go take part in bonding sessions with the racists who opposed them. And I'm glad the opponents of the Iraq War didn't go paint balling with the architects of that war.

[@CalmBeforeTheStorm76]

That is a brilliant idea.. Think how that one "requirement" could shift the perspectives of everyone involved. Or, have it be an annual activity. Can you imagine that? These informal events that force our politicians to see the other side as human beings instead of enemies?

[@imeleventeen]

@@rhysperegrine5100 I get what your saying and agree. But you can still have what I said without that

[@kski5432]

Sounds a lot similar to Maos struggle sessions.

[@AutisticThinker]

5:29 - Talk about a coincident in timing mentioning Dugin... His daughter was killed with a car bomb (intended for Dugin) one day later. I've never even heard of him before today.

[@jamesalexander8872]

There is a decent chance that this mention resulted in said targeting

[@Boogra]

@@jamesalexander8872 I'm pretty sure it didn't. Whichever Ukrainian trashbin did this has been planning it for some time. The Left hates Dugin and his knowledge of the workings of the globalists. I guarantee you, though, that after this, they are about to hate him more. When you murder a man's child in front of him, what more does he have to lose?

[@Jake_Hamlin]

@@jamesalexander8872 not really considering the bombing was planned well prior to this conversation

[@33sheih]

the point about hospitality reminds me of the myth around the relationship between Stalin and Churchill during WW2. Stalin was at least as "not nice" as Putin (understatement of a century) but building 1-1 relationships of leaders can be done even with such people and can relax the tensions between countries to a great degree

[@belrestro]

yes, just let him have some more land, that other thing is about conversation

[@Nelson484]

Yea right, relationships. The west has been cozying up to Putin for 20 years and Putin just laughed and always escalated. He was given enough time to prepare and start this genocidal war that he has been planning for at least 15 years. But yeah let's just talk and be friends.

[@deniskvochka3386]

@@Nelson484 это вы более 20 лет игноровали Путина и его опасений насчет расширения НАТО, это вы обманули его в 2014 году и через вооруженный переворот привели к власти неонацистов на Украине, это вы игнорировали Минские соглашения и со слов той же Меркель дали время Украине вооружиться... Так что не надо нам рассказывать кто есть кто. Я вам скажу так, сейчас Путина в России не любят за его слабость по отношению к Украине и западному миру, который только и делает, что обманывает и не выполняет свои же обещания. Мы хотим лидера, который перестанет пресмыкаться перед западным миром. Будем ли им Путин мы не знаем. Открою вам страшную тайну - миллионы людей в России хотят вновь Сталина у руля ибо мы хотим лидера, а не шута или тряпку у руля ядерной державы.

[@iram5192]

​@@deniskvochka3386 с какой стати ты возомнило себя рупором миллионов ?

[@lehapankoff]

​@@iram5192ну если быть объективным, миллион человек - это меньше процента населения России. У Сталина гораздо больше рейтинг, судя по опросам населения.

[@johnwhiteman7483]

I connect with Jordan Peterson when he is in improvisational mode. So much more natural heartfelt and empathic communication. In improve mode I feel like he could connect with everyone if they were willing to listen. When he reads it just feels dry cold and condemning. Improve mode he is so much more human. 👍

[@brutallyremastered4255]

In “improve mode” it’s just our fault we don’t recognise his generous genius? Fvck right off.

[@vhufeosqap]

Peterson’s presentation and reading of DailyWire has been bad IMO. If feels false…. snarly and aggressively delivered with a feeling of disgust and anger. Nevermind mind the dramatic word choice (cringe). Unfortunate really, he has come across like an open minded even tempered person in the past… feels like that’s missing much more often as time goes on.

[@FrenchCanadianGuy]

@@GStones58 wouldn't you love it if someone you disagree with committed suicide? Those kind of thoughts are just making your mental issues worst friend.

[@FOURTEEFIVE]

@@GStones58 so what?

[@good2freelance1]

Peterson is NOT qualified to talk about geo politics. He gave the military industrial complex a free pass for wars.

[@popodopulus3826]

ESPECIALLY about this russian invasion. He is wrong in virtually every point.

[@markfuller]

I think the answer is much simpler: Germany (predominantly) accepted the annexation of Crimea and continued business deals with Russia, more dependence on energy, etc. Germany apparently thought nothing more would happen. They had 8 years to separate. Instead, they got *more* "in bed" with Russia during that time. Former politicians in business deals with oligarchs. From Putin's perspective, he would think he hadn't done anything wrong. He was encouraged to believe he could do more, "they're not going to do anything." (Now Germany complains about how much they'll suffer this winter. They had 8 years? Why was Crimea a nothingburger all that time?). Someone else commented that the west failed by losing meritocracy. I agree 100%.

[@JustTayo]

Where does NATO expansion and the tradition of US fighting a proxy war comes to place?

[@mozes7786]

You are talking about a 70 year old man as though he has the intellectual capacity of a 10 year old.

[@Cockmonging]

@@mozes7786 Didn't you hear? Painting your political opponents as comically incompetent but at the same time also the embodiment of all that is evil has become the norm.

[@mozes7786]

@@Cockmonging the two are not mutually exclusive.

[@yeehaw9303]

@@JustTayo NATO expansion has nothing to do with this conflict no matter how hard kremlin is trying to convince people. NATO is already at russia's borders and has been for quite a while. NATO would never invade a nuclear superpower, thus it poses no threat to russia, unless, russia wants to expand it's territory and start imperialist wars against it's neighbours. NATO expansion isn't the problem, russian imperialism is.

[@karlloovali4531]

Was Putin in a bubble in 2014 as well??

[@Wishlake]

Agree. Peterson's points are ridiculous. I've been astonished since his Civil War video... wtf is he saying...him of all people

[@danolivier4899]

Jordan's another guy who's so busy hating the west he can't see actual evil staring him in the face

[@jumblestiltskin1365]

Good question.

[@tylere.8436]

Or in 2008

[@Dudush90]

I think Putin is a great leader, I think for him no1 is Russia, he is patriotic, of course he leads some wars but who didnt ? and those wars were never as destructive as from US leaders...problem is also propaganda, EU/NATO together by US politicians spread into nearly whole Europe, and what US wants, that EU/NATO will spread, and people straight have just one opinion and dont see other. right now, propaganda how Putin is going to invade Europe, and many people really believed it, but in fact, there is not a single action or something dont know how to call it, that this is true. and still people believe it...crazy we are just like mind slaves or what

[@artmanrom]

When I was very young (in Ceausescu's Romania) and just starting to be aware of the world due to my cerebral cortex being formed, I saw my first beggar, a young man missing a leg. I was shivering because I thought that there wasn't anything that I could do at that time. Then later, I was asking myself why our government ruled by the Communist Party doesn't help people in need, even if it was claimed as being "for the people". And right now, the so-called "free western so rich world" is claiming that it can't help more Ukraine cos Putin could start a nuclear war. So basically then and now, the bad people are having the upper hand cos they are holding the good people hostage by fear. I hope that the free people leaders grow a backbone and finally do the right thing.

[@PaulMclauchlin]

What, precisely, is the right thing with regards to helping Ukraine?

[@rudivandereep310]

Nah doubt it as war has many faces controlled by those whom have the power to when where why and how to just in different guise

[@radimnechut519]

@@PaulMclauchlin Stopping the war, the conflict, in the most peaceful way possible and trying to engage in, as Peterson said, honest in person conversation with at least both sides of the war. But hey, Russia's evil like nazis. We cannot talk to them. We have to defeat them no matter what by any means necessary. That's what the politicians and pundits told me.

[@FlaviaIIIIFelix]

There is no free people, there are no bad people, just ham fist leaders working for the agenda imposed to them.

[@YeviG]

The US can hardly help its own people, well not that it can't, it chooses not to. What makes you think that they would give two shits about Ukraine when they've gone in and done the same thing to a number of countries and their people that Russia is now doing with Ukraine. It is funny listening to Poland talk about occupation like they didn't have an entire Polish Zone in Iraq, and like Britain didn't partake in massacring civilians all over the world. NATOs hands are just as bloody as those who have invaded other countries.

[@jon-quijano]

Lex trying to get Jordan to see his opponents as humans, hoping to help him see the bubble he’s in.

[@oneworldonehome]

"War is destructive. It is destructive to both the winner and the loser, and it sows the seeds for future conflict. The damage is not only to material things, but to the nature and character of entire nations of people who are traumatized. Humanity has not matured enough nor has grown in wisdom enough to recognize the absolute truth of this. That is why outright warfare in the Greater Community [of intelligent life], particularly on any kind of large scale, is extremely rare, particularly amongst secure and advanced nations." _Life in the Universe » Chapter 7: Competition, Influence and the Mental Environment_ - a free online book by Marshall Vian Summers.

[@robertholland7558]

That paragraph deserves to be on the front page of every single news service

[@johnchapman5125]

Thank you for sharing!

[@rolandssprogis6393]

Jordan should study more on (a) who is Putin and what has he done since 1990; (b) when RU invasion in UA began de facto; (c) show me your friends and I’ll tell who you are! Who has been Putin’s (russia’s) allies and “friends”.

[@MB2.0]

*sigh* Then what does that say about the US and Europe who are allied with the Saudis, and who send cybersec experts to help Saudis spy on and torture journalists? This is geopolitics not a soap opera

[@sd1082]

He was so friendly with the west at first.. Bush invited him to his house and said he trusts that man.. Imagine you being a genuine guy who is trying to regain financial and moral stability and the west continuously deceives you.. Takes you for granted.. What would you do, Gather the rest of the world and destabilise the base of the west - dollar

[@AxionXIII]

Jordan, Keanu, Drake. Canada’s holy trinity.

[@Kkkkkkkkkk747]

Lex, what you are missing in the entire picture is the global financial system. It's more important then anything else, because it's the last barrier preventing wars.

[@MADDcartman]

It’s hard for the financial system to intervene when many countries, namely Germany, are energy dependent on Russia.

[@weirdshibainu]

LOL. What you're missing is the global financial systems are often the catalysts for wars.

[@tiktokking1546]

That's the fallacy of structualism.

[@basilp5179]

Preventing? I’d say it’s the cause. See “Wall Street and the Russian Revolution.”

[@jamesmcdougal2]

West has weaponized the financial system to bend others to their will. Its a tool of war

[@macpdm]

Wow JP with Lex fantastic. Would have also loved to have heard the conversation between Jimmy Carr and JP

[@alvareo92]

The conversation between Jimmy Carr with Jordan is already on the latter’s KZbin channel. Brace yourself as Jordan has met his equal: both of them interrupt each other to launch into their own monologue of whatever they felt like talking about

[@mikijwa]

Well.. I'm a big fan of JP but this has nothing to do With the problems in western europe and all to do With Russias influence in the former Eastern block. I live in Bulgaria and our government fell the day after lavrov was denied airspace to go to Serbia

[@paulwally9007]

Can you explain that a bit?

[@mikijwa]

@@paulwally9007 well ever since communism fell Russia has had vested interest in keeping its positions in my country. There has been many new patties popping up when the previous project collapses. The patty there's such a people left the coalition sending Bulgaria into a third parliamentary elections in two years. It's now trending to miss the threshold to enter next parliament so another project called renaissance is already being propagated.

[@jaredthetrain5309]

Wow that last part about leadership was very enlightening.

[@Tod_oMal]

You mean that part talking to Congress people?

[@hudhinton1880]

No one has a higher opinion of Jordan Peterson than Jordan Peterson.

[@niallodonnell7827]

Mr Peterson has some excellent relationship advice which involves having micro conflict over small things which then prevents anything becoming serious enough to threaten the relationship. It's like the difference between a noisy guard dog and a silent one who doesn't bark but mauls the intruder to death instead. You don't want the latter. You want the noisy one. The greatest inadequacy of the was west not any hostility to Russia or some cynical plot to undermine it but it was not barking sufficiently loudly and early and it has allowed Putin to make his deadly move which now must be confronted in order not to compound the western mistake and merely encourage an even more serious war later between Nato and Russia-because Putin is running out of non-Nato countries to attack. Throughout the Cold War the idea of mutually assured destruction kept the human race relatively safe with its defensive idea that any attack on each other resulted in assured destruction for all. But now western complacency has allowed Russia to throw out that doctrine and invade a neutral country while threatening nuclear annihilation on anyone who tries to help. Instead of ' I will wipe you out if you attack my country' they are saying 'I will wipe you out if you don't allow me to attack whoever I want'

[@anewhopedawn6676]

ur brainwashed by western media bro, ur so lost

[@chiffa37]

Is this what they tell you in the west? Lmao

[@johntowers1213]

*Instead of ' I will wipe you out if you attack my country' they are saying 'I will wipe you out if you don't allow me to attack whoever I want'* So western Foreign policy to a T in other words? ... The utter rank hypocrisy to even make that comment with a straight face :( The Russians are in the wrong here that is clear... but lectures from the West ring hollow like an empty pot.. its like an Arsonist scolding a mugger for the their criminal behavior

[@niallodonnell7827]

@@chiffa37 Yeah-Russia has a free press and we in the west don't.-Like we're going to take that seriously. Wake up my friend before he starts to conscript you into the orc army.

[@niallodonnell7827]

@@johntowers1213 Try not to be so hysterical. When was the last time the west threatened anyone with nuclear attack?

[@andreasv9472]

Jordan Petersson interrupting Lex like : "especially listening" lmao! Fun duo 😉

[@claudiostulla9647]

Good point , I thought that , too.

[@claudiostulla9647]

Good point, I thought that, too.

[@bookerdewitt2022]

Without love their is only hate, Without a conversation there is only condemnation.

[@memnoch6646]

Mentioning Alexander Dugin days before the car bomb is crazy.

[@MB2.0]

His significance has been overstated in western media. He has never even been pictured with Putin. Most russians didnt know him before people started labeling him "Putin's Rasputin"(a title which in of itself is ludicrous).

[@svietka202]

I thought wished he would have stayed out of a subject he knows absolutely nothing about so unfortunate but I can see you his own greatness is totally going to his head and instead of sticking to what he’s good at which is helping people especially men finding themselves he’s going into a discussion that is way way out of his depth

[@805Franco]

12:50 My intellect tells me, that's because he grew up watching too many Hollywood movies and therefore when he sees American patriotism his mind associates the situation with the only American references that his mind is familiar with which would be theatrical Hollywood movies.

[@jojonesjojo8919]

Peterson is all over the place here - jumping from subject to subject. Dr Peterson - tidy up your disorganised mind.

[@ciscoscos846]

You can't even use correct spelling? 😒

[@ciscoscos846]

@jamesnthat you say that, for me criticizing your comment where you criticize someone else . Do you get special treatment?

[@drumboarder1]

I think years of being accused of stuff really messed with the poor dude. Conspiracy minded me thinks he was a target of the whole russian propaganda thing, make a rational person out to be hitler to divide n concur. He's only one to start losing their minds..

[@ciscoscos846]

@@drumboarder1 Hey!Hey! Get out of here!! I was giving him shit, not you! Get out of our thread. We didn't invite you here 😆 🤣

[@sabaiordanishvili2060]

Just to add to this, it's important to consider that 1. There was already an ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine 2. It was always clear in Easters Europe that Putin would do something like this. As Jordan says, Putin has been declaring his intentions openly. So, the main mistake from the west (especially EU) was unwillingness to accept and prepare for what was to come (hence, the energy dependency). Another important point, often missing in conversations is Ukraine's POV. It's always about Putin and the west and what the latter could have done to avoid the war, but from the point of view of the oppressed countries around Russia, it was always either war or surrender. I think Jordan would agree since he points out that Putin inherited USSR's expansionist mentality. In fact, from the Ukrainian, Georgian and Moldovan perspective, they have been in war with Russia for years, even decades.

[@marinodezelak1180]

2 things come to mind. 1. The Meme the Ukrainian gov. posted online, where it shows different types of headache, and the last most severe one, is "having Russia as a neighbour", or something to that effect. 2. Putins off-hand remark in the months before he chose war,: "Nravitsya, ne nravitsya-terpi moya krasavitsa", translating roughly to: "like it, don't like it.. endure it, my beauty.”. Essentially saying that Ukraine must choose the peacefull path, because Russia can no longer allow Ukraine (or any other neighbourring nations) to do what the Baltics did and invite millitary forces into the country, from a super power nation that declared Russia an enemy. It seems at that point he believed Ukraine would choose to accept the Minsk agreements, because it was the only path to peace without Ukraine loosing face and Russia retaining their dignity... This leads me to believe, something happened between that statement and February 24th, something which made Putin believe fully that Ukraine will never accept the Minsk agreement, or any agreement for that matter, and therefore must be subdued by force. By your name I assume you're Georgian... You also had an American puppet for president who pushed to join NATO, when Russia chose to attack after Georgia innitiated minor clashes... Russia, and especially Putin believed the same about Georgia as he believes about Ukraine.

[@Grgna1]

@@marinodezelak1180 Good job destroying my arguments by figuring out my nationality

[@marti6607]

Hello from Poland, that's exactly our point of view as well. Russia has always been an expansionist, imperialist power threatening its smaller neighbours and it will never change if it's not forced to. The Russians are very proud of their imperialist past and want to see their empire resurected. They believe that Ukraine is their "property" that was unfairly taken away from them and that its their "birthright" as a great power to be granted a sphere of influence in Eastern Europe.

[@marti6607]

@@marinodezelak1180 What a bunch of BS. And how low to accuse tiny, powerless Georgia of being a "US puppet" just because it hoped for NATO security umbrella against its powerful and aggressive neighbor. In your "brilliant" analysis and suggestion that Russia had nothing but peaceful intentions in mind you conveniently omitted that 1) the war in Ukraine has been going on since 2014 and it was triggered by Putin's demand that Ukraine drops an association agreement with the EU; 2) Putin was not happy with putting his paws on eastern Ukraine and so in December 2021 he demanded a complete rollout of NATO from Eastern Europe - that was the ultimatum he gave to the US and NATO in exchange for not carrying out a full scale invasion of Ukraine; 3) not that it would be much to rollout since NATO presence in Eastern Europe is miniscule, especially in the Baltic states which hosted a tiny contingent of NATO forces that in no way threatened Russia (and let's remember that next door there is heavily militarized Kaliningrad with Russia's nuclear-capable Iskanders). Also, by your logic and suggestion that Russia's attack on Georgia and Ukraine was "self-defence" against NATO, we should soon be seeing invasion of Finland as well since it is just about to join the alliance and it shares a very long border with Russia. So when do you predict this happening our brilliant analyst??

[@marinodezelak1180]

@@marti6607 "low to accuse tiny, powerless Georgia of being a "US puppet" just because it hoped for NATO security umbrella against its powerful and aggressive neighbor." They did not need protection, Until their president chose to antagonize Russia. "1) the war in Ukraine has been going on since 2014 and it was triggered by Putin's demand that Ukraine drops an association agreement with the EU" It was triggered when opposition chased out an elected president with the support of the U.S. It wasn't just Putin pressuring Yanukovitch, It was also his voter base in the South and East, as well as industrial moguls who's businesses relied on trade with Russia, and who feared they'll enter the better developed and wealthier European market from a disadvantaged position, with an underdeveloped industry. "2) Putin was not happy with putting his paws on eastern Ukraine and so in December 2021 he demanded a complete rollout of NATO from Eastern Europe" In agreements neither Ukraine nor their western partners were ever planning to uphold, Donetsk and Luhansk were to be reabsorbed into Ukraine, with the concession of giving them greater rights to autonomous decisions, but as part of Ukraine. This promise, then request, then demand of not expanding NATO control has been there since the collapse of the Soviet union.... And ignored. The only ones who actually naively believed this diplomatic solution would happen, were the Russians. "23) not that it would be much to rollout since NATO presence in Eastern Europe is miniscule, especially in the Baltic states which hosted a tiny contingent of NATO forces that in no way threatened Russia" That's because you don't really understand what the real NATO threat to Russia is... It's not the military capabilities present, although that is also a factor.. The real threat is geopolitical, sociological and economical. The U.S is the undisputed leader of NATO, it's their extension of influence.. That's the real reason the U.S foots the bill for NATO spending while the rest drags their feet. The other countries don't feel the need to be the ones spending a lot of money to ensure U.S geopolitical influence.,, The idea was that If the U.S wants it, then they should sponsor it. They made this worthwhile because this spending is going from the U.S taxpayers to the U.S MIC, while NATO member countries also put a lot of whatever money they spend on the NATO structure towards purchasing weaponry/munitions from the U.S MIC. Especially those without a good domestic arms industry. When a country enters NATO, they make an implicit promise to work against Russia in all spheres, not to fight it directly, but to ensure Russia can never enter negotiations with those countries on an equal footing, regardless if those negotiations are based in military security, or indeed economic deals or even going as far as asking for diaspora rights. Curiously you bring up Finland, which used to be one of the models suggested to Ukraine, many believed that "Finlandization" of Ukraine would've been the real solution to the tensions between Ukraine and Russia. sort of middle-ground. Ukraine would cooperate with NATO countries in military matters, but make assurances that they would not outright enter NATO and thus become hostile to Russia. Ukraine could have become a good transit country for Russian goods to Europe and European goods to Russia and benefited greatly from that position. Finland is now wanting to join NATO to punish Russia for their aggression against Ukraine, and they do so because it is understood that Russia can not afford to expand the conflict beyond Ukraine and is in no position to oppose it in any meaningful way, since they're already struggling there in the face of extensive U.S/NATO aid to Ukraine. This war isn't happening out of thin air. Reality is, Russia is pushing against the extensive efforts to isolate it, keep it poor and without leverage in their foreign policy matters.. This effort was always spearheaded by the U.S, which declared Russia their adversary the moment when they decided to expand NATO even after the Warsaw pact was gone, instead of rolling it back when it lost its original purpose of containing communism in Europe, Well... Communism was gone, but NATO doubles in size. It is downright delusional to believe Russia would just accept the idea of "Purely defensive alliance" when they could see exactly how increasingly hostile every new NATO member becomes to them, and how increasingly subservient they are to U.S guidance in their foreign policy in relation to Russia.. I'm from a NATO member country, we have a little common history with Russia... A few events always stick out in my mind, one such event, long before this war, was as simple as honoring Russian WW1 war dead who died as POW's in our country, we invited Russian representatives then, And IMMEDIATELY the U.S threatened with economic consequences to doing this. It was a simple act of trying to uphold some friendly relationship with Russia, and yet the U.S embassy was absolutely flipping their shit the moment they heard of this... suggesting every which way they could harm our economy for such a transgression. There's also something else.... U.S military industry was growing fat on contracts to supply everything for the military mission in Afghanistan.. But not long before war in Ukraine, they pulled out of Afghanistan completely, they needed a new reason to keep production high. Making sure any negotiation between Ukraine and Russia fails and provokes military action, was also ensuring the U.S military industry has a reason to continue churning out weaponry at a bloated price... And wouldn't you know it, business is booming, and Ukraine will pay the price, right along with the U.S tax payers. Even in this crucial situation, the U.S is still looking out primarily for their economic interests, pushing countries to send their German and French military equipment to Ukraine, in an attempt to then replace them with U.S made equipment and profit from becoming the main supplier as these countries structure their military around U.S weapons, pushing out other European arms manufacturers, making them ultimately fail and the countries becoming completely reliant and subservient to U.S will. This war has very little to do with Ukrainian "freedom and democracy", and everything to do with Russia pushing back against growing U.S hegemony... while Ukraine as the proxy, pays the ultimate price.

[@stephensullivan1011]

Why couldn't I have seen this earlier😭 yesss so excited to watch!!!

[@dang4546]

We have no idea what we will think next, and then, which thoughts will make it to our mouths. If we were present to this fact, and kept a question about who is thinking and whether we really know, it would be difficult to say so much, so fast.

[@brutallyremastered4255]

WTF?

[@J-BiRTH]

I think my favorite KZbin comments are ones like this, where you can't be entirely sure whether it's a wonderful and insightful piece of prose or the ramblings of a schizophrenic. Had to read this one a couple times, and I'm leaning towards it being the former, Cheers man.

[@davidgroth26]

Jordan, great, thoughtful and insightful, as always.

[@abolstad7104]

"Look..." I personally think if someone starts a sentence with "Look" they are pushing my attention to something they want me to believe not from facts just opinion. Most politicians start with "Look..." When diverting from the asked question. Am I the only person that see's this?

[@sludgeness1]

I find it annoying. Just on a grammatical level. For instance, a lot of people call Eminem a lyrical genius. Yet, he says "look" when starting a rap, when it should be "listen". It's the same when people speak and say "look". Makes you question intelligence when a person doesn't know seeing and hearing are two different senses. Lex needs to lay off the Heroin, or whatever puts him in slow motion, then maybe people wouldn't say LOOK to try to get his attention.

[@abolstad7104]

@@sludgeness1 I had never noticed it with Eminem but I do now, Thanks for pointing that out. Jacinda Arden is New Zealand's current prime minister and she does it constantly, especially when she is dodging a question. Instead of Yes or No it's "Look....bla bla bla"

[@abolstad7104]

@@sludgeness1 I love when lex takes his time to get exactly what he wants to say correct, I do it too. Also I thought there was something wrong with me because when I'm talking to people I prefer not to look them straight in the eyes but now I see lex doing it, I'm not the only one. Generally people think when you don't look them in the eyes means your telling lies, I do not agree. Thank you Lex for being different.

[@eliasbutcher859]

Look..

[@LizardOnAMushroom2358]

That, or it's an equivalent to "um" or "ahh" I say "you know" as a thinking phrase. Am I manipulating people when I'm doing that? Also, just think of when a kid says "look," they aren't trying to be deceptive or manipulative, they're trying to show you something. Maybe he just wants you or Lex to see what he sees when he looks at a problem.

[@JakubFerenc1911]

At the end of this clip, JP ended with the idea that leaders listen and are giving the voice to the people. I also remember another talk/video where JP says that Adolf H. did exactly that, for such a long time and that's why he had such a strong rhetorical power. Because he was the mouthpiece of the crowd. A terrifyingly perfect one. My question for JP would then be: how to identify danger in being the voice of the people?

[@RobMcGrath0]

I do recall JP saying that Adolf H. and his audience created their version of truth together: He spoke and the audience validated his ideas in their response, together in this way they continued there communication and reinforced their ideas/beliefs. This is why JP says its so important to tell the truth or at least not lie. To your question: JP has answered it in some of his videos regarding what you described, i can't recall them accurately enough to paraphrase an answer to your question sorry, but if you search on the topic...

[@brutallyremastered4255]

When it’s being paid by some shitty Zionist publishing company?

[@roberthertz6634]

Listen

[@cmath6454]

Jordan Peterson is the king of pushing stories on everything and everyone. Thinking he's contextualizing reality when human beings form judgements based on themselves. In essence he just describes himself and pushes it on others.

[@jezcorrigan651]

Did not expect Jimmy Carr to be quoted in this clip

[@jasonsierchio1167]

I appreciate the honesty in this conversation

[@nicolasgalileo7209]

From lex yes from JP just bla bla bla....

[@Cockmonging]

@@nicolasgalileo7209 what a dishonest take

[@nicolasgalileo7209]

@@Cockmonging you maybe right, but JP in my opinion never gives you straight answers, hence bla bla bla ...

[@Cockmonging]

@@nicolasgalileo7209 not his or my problem that you have an aversion against nuance lmao

[@nicolasgalileo7209]

@@Cockmonging I see you took the attribution to talk on his behalf. Me , I speak for I , me , and myself ... I like nuance when imparts useful meaning to a solid fact.

[@antonkravets5026]

It’s an interesting experience to see two smart people talk on a topic they don’t understand at all. And they don’t even have a clue.

[@that_heretic]

Lex doesn't bother doing his homework and lets Peterson completely redefine the conversation. Bad interview Lex, do better. Not because it's popular, because it's right.

[@siamcharm7904]

i wish they had addressed the usa role in fomenting the war going back to 2014esp the infamous rand report of 2016 which lays out road for war in ukraie. at the end jp is describing what they do in china as i've so often. seen.

[@Seecked]

Wrong.

[@TheSkwrl]

Were his comments referencing Peter Zeihan at 8:30?

[@AZhangETH]

Blaming the war in Ukraine on ‘the woke’ is some of the craziest mental gymnastics I have ever seen

[@oslogutt80]

Then read more....

[@jimw.4161]

A civil, intelligent conversation... how refreshing.

[@jaredflurry937]

I’m not sure I agree that European energy dependency is the result of environmental wokeism. European states wanted cheap energy and weren’t particularly concerned about the mid- to long-term environmental or political consequences; that doesn’t strike me as “woke.”

[@Brian-nt1hh]

Really believe in the engagement of hospitality and enjoyment to support ideas of unity humanity and compromised change. Thx guys

[@toniopensdoors]

Jordan thank you for your accurate analysis. We always have to go beneath the surface and ideologies to find the answers.

[@aysbg]

I am from a southeast European country. I was born here and now live again in the country of my birth. I have lived in US and Germany in the past and honestly, with what is happening in the West right now, if you were to put a gun to my head and say "pick between China&Russia or the West", I would have really tough time picking. The West lost its way some 25-30 years ago...

[@jononioo2857]

In your opinion, why do you say the west lost its way?

[@xchen3079]

Have you really ever lived in China or Russia? If yes, I don't think you will have a hard time to choose.

[@paulheydarian1281]

What if you found out later that it was a toy gun or a water pistol???

[@jononioo2857]

@@paulheydarian1281 and the water gun or you gun was "made in china".

[@hardcoresb3]

I'm from the west and I haven't lost my way. :)

[@justinpiche7977]

Jordan Peterson is the man. Thankyou so much for this podcast Lex. You’re the man too

[@martinmart481]

Brilliant mind ,but lack of real knowledge about Russia and US involvement in creating this hatred towards Russia. I think it will be very interesting to listen Dr. Petersen's thoughts about Russophobia and it's relation to Nazi.s antisemitism.

[@zigomertrubahin]

Boy, get real. People in Eastern Europe hated Russia back when the US didn't even exist.

[@martinmart481]

@@zigomertrubahin I am talking about modern day creators of hatred. Don’t insult people of Eastern Europe by hatred. Greedy people are everywhere and every time . And they always use a hatred to get people fight for their greed to get.

[@mondoenterprises6710]

Talk to Putin about Love, Lex. And see how far that gets you.

[@sd1082]

😂 you simply can’t digest truth huh?? Imagine getting betrayed by the people who you think are your friends.. You will become a villain.. How can you expect the leader of Russia to suck yours every time you bore his butt

[@TheVitkuz]

When you discuss war you also need to discuss money. War is always about money

[@emulation2369]

@@Itisinthename it always is

[@tylere.8436]

Yeah, for the banks, the government spends money on war.

[@richardhollis2530]

Please get Alain Du Botton on your show

[@richardhollis2530]

@@commonwunder yep, you are right. I can’t even blame auto correct it was all me

[@LothairApoclyane]

@@richardhollis2530 Botton is equally a clown who should be brushed away into history, as the dust that they are

[@Milohenry13]

His reasons are essentially all hindsight. I mean, not very smart.

[@541-RAIDER]

Putin doesn't write his speeches. Follow the money! Putin listens to those that create wealth for him and other Russians with wealth. Wealth in Russia is made through energy, especially oil and natural gas. The rest of the world's dependence on fossil fuels feeds countries like Russia's oligarchy status. The west needs to continue to lead the world's shift from fossil fuels. The west also needs to be the leader of developing the recycling of natural resources used within the storage of energy. If the west can lead this world change, power within countries like Russia will be better distributed amongst their people. Believing Putin acts independently and creates his own political agenda is ignorant. War between Russia and Ukraine is predominantly based on the premise of resource allocation and control.

[@TheSakufighter]

Always some loser thinking they’re going to knock JBP down a peg or two. 😆

[@danielelman5169]

Feels like Lex allows his personal investment in Ukraine issue color the way he discusses it. In particular it feels like the way he feels about it is impacted primarily by how he wants it to be rather than accepting objective reality of how it is. I know he will write this off too, as I’m not even one of the “experts” he scoffed at in the interview, but for how objective and clear he discusses other topics it’s very obvious that he struggles a lot to do so re: Ukraine.

[@Seecked]

And what is that objective reality in your opinion then? I think I can already guess what bs you will write…

[@danielelman5169]

@@Seecked it's certainly nothing based in the "power of love and the human capacity for hope" or any of that nonsense.

[@tankerd1847]

@@danielelman5169 I think the point is that people on both sides think they're doing the right thing. Russians in a lot of ways think they're liberating Ukraine from its evil Western puppet government and Nazified military. You should give Lex some credit, he is far more objective about Ukraine than the overwhelming majority of Western media and discussion. The problem is WE think we are absolutely right about this, to the point where many, many Westerners are unable to even entertain the idea that we had something to do with what's going on over there.

[@nocturne000]

@@danielelman5169 I mean I don't disagree. Maybe I heard him wrong, I thought he was talking about the true motivation of the individual to accept war. But maybe I missed something. I mean, you could say there are many reasons for this war, or every war for that matter. However those reasons usually condense into something a lot less "human" and a lot more profit driven or ideologically driven, or an idea of statecraft in which you want to control certain aspects from certain places. I mean it's happened so many times throughout history, it's like we're always fighting the same war.

[@drizzal83]

Great stuff minus the being a congressman part. Narcissists and some of the worst humanity has to offer.

[@MrjackieG]

Jordan forgot to mention Putin built 10,000 Orthodox churches.

[@brasso4597]

That, Jack, must rank as about the dumbest contribution in this thread. How do you know he 'forgot'? Dya pull that out of your arse?

[@paulheydarian1281]

How much did that cost? And, how did he pay for it?

[@MrjackieG]

@@paulheydarian1281 Putin is tight with the Krill. I think Putin made the Jewish Oligarchs pay for it.

[@Heavydutyy]

@@paulheydarian1281 how much is Ukranian puppet Zelenski worth? Where did that money came from?

[@margarita8416]

it doesn't suit the narrative

[@brucemace5404]

A brilliant man with Wisdom Something that’s hard to find in the world today.

[@Theo-ul8qm]

You’ve both traveled in Eastern Europe this year. And I think you would’ve seen that in the political landscape in this part of the world, the words ‘liberal’ and ‘conservative’, and especially the former, don’t quite mean the same thing as they do in America or Canada. I expect good things for these countries in the near future because it seems to me like they are not holding themselves back the way the larger nations are at the moments with internal unrest on arguably non-existant or minor issues. There is international tension - and a war - in Eastern Europe at the moment, but Ukraine’s resilience in the face of the Russian attacks, Hungary’s strong economy despite their own internal political tension and Romania’s new-found stability after coming close to exiting the EU in 2017 make me see the future as brighter for these countries than for the larger Western nations.

[@bulentunal3832]

There was always war in that region since 10th century if not earlier!

[@rigormoritz]

It would be interesting to see Lex talk with Vlad Vexler re Ukraine and Putin.

[@geppetto805]

Normally, I'm the first to defend him, but Russia is where Peterson completely lost the plot. Greetings from Eastern Europe, where the difference between culture war and real war is not yet blurry.

[@gerrardweatherlight2962]

Absolutely, I think it has happened the same to many people. Unlike you I'm not from that part of the world, but I was immediately put off by his take on the invasion of Ukraine. It was completely outrageous to me.

[@AK4.7.47Cossack]

Same he used to be very supportive of Ukraine and our peoples history. Seems like he's changed since joining the daily wire

[@stevepickford3004]

What exactly do you have a problem with?

[@Super8888Baby]

Lex, your interviews are generally of the highest quality. This one is not because Peterson is not an expert on the subject. Interview him about psychology. He is out of his depth here and it is boring.

[@bobwilk5155]

WARSAW PACT was CREATED MAY 1955, during the Cold War in RESPONSE to NATO Treaty In 1949, the primary aim of the North Atlantic Treaty - NATO's founding treaty - was to create a pact of mutual assistance to counter the risk that the Soviet Union would seek to extend its control of Eastern Europe to other parts of the continent, LONG BEFORE Warsaw Pact!!!

[@MrFornicater]

Peterson lives in an echo chamber...swatting against the ghosts of 'woke'

[@vhufeosqap]

He shadowboxes the “woke moralists” with canned language and outrage… and practices his grimace and snarled faces for the DailyWire content lol

[@jmmone]

People want to hear him speak. No one wants to hear you speak. Understand the concept yet?

[@MrFornicater]

@@jmmone People like you, now that's not a high bar is it, my friend?

[@freedinner886]

Jordans geeked on something... Needs to slow down and get back in touch. Ego's got him controlled.

[@RPMZ11]

When's the last time you had the ear of millions seeking a solid analysis.

[@wyattgoodale2403]

pov your a waiter walking up to a table of professors mid convo

[@danolivier4899]

Dude, Russia has always been like this. You know nothing about this situation.

[@sd1082]

😂 Foolish

[@sd1082]

You can’t stop sucking your western media

[@spirokaci]

Mr Peterson,why do you have to have an opinion about everything? Don't you think for a second that you might be Wrong?!

[@bl8346]

Jordan did not disappoint this type either... Unlike many other 'experts' , he really analyzed the Russian dictator deeply, even mentioned fascist Dugin who has a huge influence on Putin

[@dreamglimmer]

"both are great nations", so are USA and Canada. but what IF lets say imaginary US'b' 'decides' to emphasise it's greatness over the lands of Canada, will they still be both equal and should be treated equally? and what IF during that citizens of imaginary US'b' actually support that move?

[@dreamglimmer]

@@yyyy12344 no. Finland and Sweeden are much closer to 'ass of russia(if you have no heart - you center becomes a concentration of fat asses)'. and there was 0 action about it. Ukraine is 'important' to russia only as conquered territory, as all of it's 'ancient glory' is purely stolen from Ukraine's Kievan Rus', which also includes recently stolen name. best that Moskovia could clam on it's own - is being a swampy outskirt of Mongolian empire.

[@skywatcher3718]

Why each western speaker I listen discuss this war from a perspective of the last 30 years? And always from Putin's and West points of view. It's like Ukraine is an object, but not a subject in such discussions. But it is an old conflict between two nations, where the russians cannot agree with existence of ukrainians. The last war was in 1918-1921.

[@michaelt1775]

Russia took Crimea in 2014 so I think they have been at war for the past 10 years.

[@waynelou2042]

Because without the West, Ukraine doesn’t stand a chance? And since Ukraine seeks help from the West, then doesn’t it also have the obligation to fulfill some requests from the West that meet their interests?

[@idontSHT]

Algorithm showed me less and less videos of mr Jordan P. I’m so happy to be recommended to his videos again 💜

[@its_just_that_yeah]

Stop relying on algorithms.

[@abursuk]

if you are good in phycology - that doesn't mean you know everything in the world. dude, some topics are just out of your competition. or another question, how much did ruzzians pay you when you were there?

[@marvintalesman6306]

Dude, your optics is distorted . If it was a payment it was from Ucranians, and US deep state. If you need to accuse someone of bribing by russians pick prof JOHN MEARSHEIMER !........

[@YSLRD]

For real? You watch too much CNN and give Russia too much credit. They seriously don't cause every problem in the world. Our government doesn't either, but we accomplished more widespread harm than Russia.

[@doctorpex6862]

As European I can confirm for last ~10 years west (US) looks like clown world

[@TitusAzzurro]

The west is 30 or so countries and no, we're not clown world. Leave the EU, you don't deserve it.

[@jdocean1]

The world is a clown show. It always has been and always will be.

[@tylere.8436]

@@jdocean1 I mean, you aren't wrong, history can be a bit goofy in hindsight, but the US clown world has been so blatant and downright ridiculous.