Jordan Peterson on Workplace Performance, Politics & Faulty Myers-Briggs

[@richc6030]

I'm impressed with the level of fluency he has in general finance, economics, statistics, and business for specializing in psychology.

[@michael57603]

i frankly don't feel people are much use unless they understand a few fields well and one or two fields very well. Because they can't relate properly to clients otherwise.

[@Gaonaism]

He's a really good businessman/entrepreneur. His works include: software programs, books, video content, screening programs, and speaking engagements.

[@josem.sanchez6452]

He's a business consultant

[@Mr88Andrew88]

@@josem.sanchez6452 you really think so?isn’t he just a fantastic psychologist who’s doin the most?

[@EFransen]

I have a graduate degree in Philosophy, and undergrad in History of Ideas. He has it in those fields as well. He is a true philosopher; not in the technical, narrow, academic sense.

[@MatadorCE]

He's complete spot-on about industry and large companies.

[@TheKlink]

and governments. Aristotle and Leopold Kohr had it right.

[@Hoi4o]

In some regards large companies have more bureaucracy than governments. A global corporation with 100 000 employees for example very likely has bigger and heavier bureaucracy than the administration of a city of similar population size.

[@imbluz]

I think large and small business owners would benefit from his instruction.

[@JO091715]

I wish I took these classes before work!

[@lolwtnick4362]

@@imbluz Lol large companies hire consultants all the time especially during growth and down time. a new culture is implemented and productivity increases. but human resources always suffers because its the biggest expense and barriers to change

[@plutonium120]

the amount of things he mentions that he will talk to his students about in the future is staggering; the amount of knowledge and awareness to be able to discuss so many relevant topics in depth and at length... the man's a genius.

[@sinisterminister9920]

Fucking legend we must protect this man

[@grahamt5924]

School could have been fun if this was the quality of the average teacher.

[@scania1982]

What would school cost if this was the average teacher? Even though you understand what JP says, can you apply it and have an employer pay you a salary for it?

[@grahamt5924]

@@scania1982 actually with modern technology it's possible to have this. Not in the traditional sense. Every subject can easily be broken down into parts and each part given a recorded lecture or multiple recorded lectures depending on the complexity of the subject. All a student would need to do is follow the course from the begining to the end watching each lecture then completing examples to prove proficiency of the subject. As each part is learnt a test proves complete understanding of each part. This process continues to the end of the course on the subject. With this process any subject could be learnt. Even practical subjects could be learnt this way. Each student could then have the ability to work at their own speed on any subject they choose to learn without teachers. My nephews and niece where home schooled this way as it goes and they all achieved excellent results that enabled university placements without difficult. My sister had the difficulty with two of them wondering how to fill their time after they completed their A levels at 14. They where quite competitive with one another and would race through each set(part) as fast as they could to complete each course. As an example maths is broken into a 150 sets to complete o'level maths and then a further 100 sets to complete A'level maths and this is all done by the equivalent of a KZbin video on each part(set), followed by a test on each part(set) to make sure the student understands each section. A student can't moved forward until they have shown proficiency in each section.

[@grahamt5924]

Working in the HR department is a practical application of many things he teaches about.

[@Balthazar2242]

Lots of teachers are good. I've had a lot of great teachers.

[@grahamt5924]

@@Balthazar2242 you where lucky. The standard of my teachers was generally very poor especially at junior school. Slight improvement at senior school with a few of them.

[@GT-xw7qy]

As someone who is a middle level manager for a large corporation this could not be any more spot on...

[@abrahkadabra9501]

The company I work for used the Meyers Briggs test on my department to increase our awareness of ourselves and learn to work together better. It accomplished none of that and, as JP said, didn't hurt anyone's feeling. I later read that qualified psychologists consider the Meyers Briggs test to be useless....I had lot of fun doing the test and making jokes with my work mates....and the coffee was good. 😊

[@timconjo7412]

I dont understand meyer briggs at all. I was very confused by the tests all the time. When I learned about big five, It made more sense. It took a while to categorize myself, but now I understand my behaviour pretty wel on big five.

[@poonoo87]

The Myers Briggs system is fine (more so Karl Jung's cognitive functions which it is based off) but the tests themselves are god awful so finding which type you are is hard. And often companies will get people to use online ones like 16 Personalities which is even worse since that is a Big 5 test that takes the traits and applies it to letters which has everyone thinking they are an INJF even though that type is rare. The test is heavily reliant on the person answering being self aware, and a lot of people aren't. The best way to get someone's type is to have someone who is very well versed in the theory to have known you personally, immediate family members are the easiest to type.

[@TokyoTaisu]

@@poonoo87 so true!!

[@gwho]

I like that you link to the original video unlike some of these other Jordan Peterson clip channels. If I like what I hear allows me to get the full scoop. Thank you. Subscribed.

[@sinisterminister9920]

This is the most I’ve paid attention in school in my whole life😂 JP has really grabbed my attention and hasn’t let go

[@donaldjoy4023]

Love how this ends, LOL

[@rubababdullah2540]

BANG

[@Christoffer13]

Especially if it follows by some corny add

[@cgasezimmermagan8640]

Really, cuz I hate it, hate that pointless shit like that happens.

[@ironichype3278]

Cowboy bebop style

[@00Noontide]

guy is life coach AF

[@jacobclark_137]

More than all the self proclaimed gurus and life coaches

[@lucasliew1749]

He has the facts to back it up unlike the bs wankers in the market.

[@sinisterminister9920]

Yeah he is a good man, and even more special is that he has a platform now, he acknowledges how fame ruined his life, but he hasn’t folded under all the pressure… he is indeed doing the Lords work whether he knows/wants too or not. Fucking angel bro

[@matthewharnage9601]

So many people getting his message wrong. He never said the Meyer-Briggs test isn't helpful or informative. He said it is terrible at determining general productivity in an average corporate company. He's not wrong, some people are just drawing their own conclusions about what he literally just said. haha.

[@permbee7129]

He has said in other videos that he doesn't think Meyers-Briggs is not so good.

[@ClepsidraSideral]

Matthew Harnage I wouldn't take seriously a 'personality' test made a couple of novelists who read Jung. 🙄 The whole thing is flawed.

[@Mira_k452]

Matthew Harnage , he looks like typical INTP to me 🤔

[@dr_lubaba]

Funny thing is they're not even psychologists and don't know anything.

[@anastasiasovanek8098]

old and not approved by psychometrics. try big 5

[@justinz9225]

As a freelance designer, I know this process all to well. You do work with the lowest person on the totem pole for several months, and when you're finally ready to call a product "finished", they say, "oh, let me just show this to the CEO for final approval", and they come back with a dozen notes that change just about everything meaningful you've been working on for the past several months.

[@heyguys7805]

I work at Apple. This is EXACTLY how it is.

[@tmcleanful]

Apple appears to have some kind of prophet as its leader based on his recent comments.

[@thelongslowgoodbye]

So you spend the first 3 years trying to figure out who to talk to and then for the next 2 you're milling around at work like a mindless drone while talking to your colleagues knowing that you have no power within the company for decision making?

[@lyncaronson5780]

You’re fired!

[@tabaks]

I work at Samsung and it's even worse!

[@crazydavec3861]

@@thelongslowgoodbye ... that sounds familiar. I don't do contributions... the people who do contributions are WAY less qualified or able than I am, but they do all the contributions. If I did contributions they wouldn't get used cos the people who do contributions don't allow other people to do contributions. You make enemies if you try to do contributions when you're not allowed, anyway, fuck it, I still get paid the same! There's an easy solution, stir up a load of shit (by trying to actually solve problems), then go work for someone else, on interview claim to have successfully implemented all the shit you weren't allowed to implement, the whole process starts again! .... bollocks to it, I'm off to church, I'm gonna go pretend to believe in a sky fairy so I can join the freemasons! :D

[@JamesBryden]

I work in this field and every point he raises is spot on.

[@ericlacruze3344]

The reason Corporations prefer M-B is not because it isn't accurate, but because it is a reasonable predictor of peace and quiet in the office. Since most employees 'live' their work, that is their work is their life and their 'home life' is subordinate to their 'work life', a higher priority is put on sociability and cooperation than on actual productivity and profit. So ultimately it is a failure of management to focus on performance at all, not their mistaken understanding of M-B.

[@michaelkearney7923]

Back in the olden days at IBM, nobody had any idea what it took to be a programmer. They hired, for instance, journalists because they could write a meaningful paragraph. Later, they developed the PAT (Programmer Aptitude Test). A scientist at Tj Watson research lab found a negative corrrelation between the test results and how well the interviewees did on the test and their job performance years later. This EXACT same thing has been observed at Google but the interview technique remains.

[@duchess_megan]

He made his case and got me hooked in the first 40 seconds. I'm so impressed!

[@JackPoynter]

I really enjoyed this one. Here's the thing: I'm 75 years old, and I've had my career, and in this case, he's talking about performance and productivity predictors, and selling systems which measure those things. For once, I know exactly what he's talking about, and I'm comparing it to my own experience in both using those tests and being measured by them, and my own estimates of how useful those things are. And I'm sitting here laughing, because he is just. Precisely. Right. Both in the measurements, and how managers react to using those measurements. Those of you who have had no business experience, but are working to get some, this is something you really, really need to pay attention to.

[@cryora]

So JP's Future Authoring Program was basically one of those measurement systems? That's something anyone can get right now.

[@jamesrindley6215]

When presented with a MB test I simply don't fill it in. When the interviewer asks for my response I say I'm the type who doesn't do these tests, make what you wish from that. You might think this is self-sabotage but the first time I did this it led to a long and honest talk with the CEO after which I was offered the job.

[@ihalia]

So what was your answer?

[@josue24]

What if you’re taking the test online?

[@bujnotbooj]

Would also like to know what your answer was.

[@timcummins5668]

Jordan Peterson for Governor of the World and leader of truth Warriors in the Milkyway

[@tmcleanful]

LOL Amen.

[@jameseverett4976]

He actually explains here WHY he would probably NOT be elected. He is explaining why people don't want accurate tests, why they don't want the truth, productivity or efficiency.

[@user-is3yn7xr4c]

I would watch THAT Movie

[@rsmith155]

He wouldn't go into politics. Party politics requires one to adopt party policies and politics. He wouldn't supplant his values like that.

[@heavenlymonkey]

JP wouldn't advocate for world government

[@lkjh00on89]

Productivity of middle management is predominantly judged based on how busy you appear. Busy-bodies (who accomplish almost nothing-possibly negative-nothing-exert a tremendous amount of energy doing so) do best in middle management.

[@MuffyMuffins]

That's pretty damned sad

[@teresaharris-travelbybooks5564]

I've worked with these kind of people. They walk really fast; to and from their smoke breaks; and the boss sees them walking fast and thinks about how hard working they are. Another example: I walked in on my manager who was looking at half nude male calendar models, on her computer; during work hours.

[@Boothy6374]

Teresa Harris that’s Price’s law in action right there

[@dariankaltenbach8062]

That's only because upper management is mildly retarded boomers.

[@alkerbix]

It’s good that the market educates the educators, it allows them to teach better. Jordan is a great guy, he’s learnt a great lesson here. Commercialism isn’t logical it’s commercialism.

[@bobbeckel5266]

This article should be titled, "So you want to be a social psychologist?"

[@mshara1]

Or industrial psychologist.

[@chasemer6]

This is bang on my sales experience!

[@christianchopper8]

Well, the 2nd half of the video Mr. Peterson is talking about a daily job as a sales-manager. Interesting to see how a master-mind like him is going crazy while talking about his experiences as a sales-man. I appreciate most of Mr. Petersons videos. I really do. This specific video, or better, the second half of it, is just "complaining of the job". So, yes, Mr. Peterson, actually doing something is hard! There are million factors involved and nobody can predict all of them. So, keep on grinding ;-) On the other hand, he is making millions a year, selling his products. So, he is doing something right.

[@canadian814]

Continual mastery and sometimes aggression is needed - Thank Doc!

[@2smoulder]

As usual JBPs analysis is right on the money, exposing the rationale of firms to please all of their staff all of the time, which of course most people know is impossible.

[@RavenclawFtW3295]

That last bit there I think you catch a glimpse of it in the movie Ford v Ferrari. In it there's a folder that gets passed from one person to another in the same room three times before it's able to go through the doors to the office of Mr. Henry Ford II. The people who passed the folder around probably didn't have any decision-making power, and they will probably talk to you if you ask them to. Matt Damon's character then mentions that little folder must have gone through many floors before it got to the top floor.

[@imbluz]

This man has so much to offer. He just needs to slow down a tad and try not to bounce from one topic to another.

[@avalokiteshvaravalon]

Have a decaf😄. Love this ultra dense lecture though. Best professor I've ever come across.

[@fernandofigueirinhas1964]

Quickest 12 minutes of my life. This guy has brains in his toes.

[@jarrodyuki7081]

Nope he’s an infj.

[@MilkPudding]

The part about large corporations is so accurate

[@StillAliveAndKicking_]

I’ve come across many senior managers who are incompetent. We had a marketing manager who presented a product rekease schedule that bore no relation to reality. Not one release was done. Last I saw he was a marketing director. Actual ability is not that important. I knew one director who was a useless manager. But he flattered the people who mattered. And he took credit for achievements of others. Including me. Politics and impression given matter more than ability.

[@symphantic4552]

@5:48 bookmarking for myself. This is gold.

[@OscarDeltaSierra]

Could easily be re-titled “Why you can’t get any job well-suited to your talents despite years of relentlessly trying”. Ironically, the military and many civil service organizations, despite being ostensibly hidebound, bureaucratically-regulated government bodies, actually do way, way better at hiring than most supposedly “dynamic” corporations operating in the domain of free market capitalism, because the former still use well-calibrated aptitude tests as their primary basis for placement and hiring. Odds are very good that your local fire department or police department does a much better job of hiring quality employees than the cubicle farm you work for.

[@charliebabbit985]

Jordan said he would be releasing a Big Five Personality Test of his own some time in June. :)

[@TheKlink]

more like big ten :D

[@Leonard-lf5yl]

! please let us know when that comes out

[@TheKlink]

let yourself know, bucko; www.understandmyself.com/ I'll show myself oat.

[@kickchick1974]

Of your hoose.

[@TheKlink]

:D

[@apelsinaplsine5146]

i like the ending, "BANG"

[@david_oliveira71]

Thanks for uploading this

[@the-chillian]

My company made us all take a Meyers-Briggs assessment about 15 or 20 years ago. It wasn't supposed to predict productivity; it was supposed to help us understand each others' approaches to communication, problem-solving and so on and so would, in theory, enable us to work together better. It didn't do that either. Most of that group had been working together for over a decade and knew each other quite well. For some idiot manager to even imagine a superficial personality assessment could give any further insight was absurd. But I don't think it would have helped any even had that not been the case. So, suppose I'm an INTP and you're an ENTJ. What the hell does that mean when you're developing software, that you should talk to each other differently?

[@oogrooq]

This test is so weird. I Always end up getting a score of FUCK.

[@phyrr2]

As usual, the problem is management thinking they have a new magical fix.

[@Justin-ko1py]

You are an EFFN idiot… stop saying things you don’t understand and identifying yourself as someone you aren’t. Please just don’t do that

[@edwinfairbrother8012]

I learn about 50 interesting facts with each one of Jordan Peterson's youtube videos!

[@jameslincs]

As a salesperson, this guy feels my pain. But... he could have used a different sales technique. This video for example, did a good job of promoting the test.

[@gjgoyena]

James Drury - As a sales guy, I would have targeted the CEO first. Not all these gatekeepers. It’s for the overall production of the company.

[@marksummers463]

If you get the chance read, The Hatchet Man's Playbook - a LOT of eye-popping, non-obvious stuff!

[@ruairidhmcmillan2484]

Love JP. Reckon he had some strong coffee before this lecture though haha

[@kevingallagher400]

The man needs to stay up to make people sleep better lol.

[@sinisterminister9920]

That and I can see the speed of the gears in his head turning faster than light itsef

[@abe677]

He describes the company I work for perfectly.

[@danieljones-tg9oe]

Jordan is a superb educator.

[@Tigadee00]

The Briggs-Meyers test sucks because it was used against me... Instead of my superior using it to understand me and help her work with me, she used it to put me down saying that my personality would be an obstacle to my performance as a manager.

[@radiandrea]

The way a large company works you described is so accurate.

[@michael57603]

He describes the infamous silo problems in large companies. Not just culturally, but the way budgets are assigned, and ignoring largely the interrelationships between departments.

[@marksummers463]

Another GREAT resource on the subject is a piece titled The Hatchet Man's Playbook - a LOT of eye-popping non-obvious stuff! Cant'recommend it highly enough!

[@dominick951]

I think part of it is the Self-sustaining Bureaucracy of any large organization. Here is what I mean. I think for some jobs, the people doing those job know that their job is basically useless, may be counterproductive etc. If you have a test that figures out which jobs are useless etc, then you will have a lot of people out of the job in many large organizations. Especially for some managers, most of the operation is basically running on autopilot and the manager is there for approval purposes.

[@orokushi5953]

That could actually have some purpouse. If something goes wrong, the approving manager can lose his head. Unless his subordinates recieve all the blame.

[@VarunKumar-cb5hm]

This is the life of software sales and it is so true its almost the best pitch for joining a software company.

[@dt1056]

One of my favorite course of my Bachelor's degree (Waaayyyy back) was call Industrial Psychology. It had some of the concept that JP is talking about. Cool stuff, but sometime misunderstood or misrepresented.

[@marksummers463]

One REALLY good resource on the topic is a piece titled The Hatchet Man's Playbook - a LOT of eye-popping, non-obvious stuff!

[@abhinavsirohi]

Superb bit on statistics 👍

[@samuelmason8370]

The bureaucracy he mentions in the end is what I deal with daily at my job and makes me insane. Having run a small efficient business and selling it to move into the corporate world is like going from 150 to a school zone in a block.... Then when it cant get any worse, the kid in the wheelchair has to get off the bus infront of you.

[@PhilSallaway]

Often peer evaluations are but a measure popularity Not productivity... seen that played out

[@bujnotbooj]

Very well said.

[@jpetras16]

And that was the end of that... BANG.

[@jota14c]

This has a lot of similarities with the Mises' theorem of economic calculation under socialism, which also applies to companies that grow past a certain point and tend to cause their fall. In general the entire structure of thinking of Dr. Peterson is really close to Austrian Economics and I think he gives another POV to it that enriches the school so much.

[@lkjh00on89]

The truth of many successful organizations is that once you're producing a successful product, you can insulate yourself from the regulators (auditors) by filling your organization with idiots. The regulators can't ever figure out what's actually going on if they're only dealing with idiots.

[@briz1965]

been working in high end sales for years, you need to get to the CFO as early as possible. Hit the secretary and include help somewhere in your first sentence. Never give up pushing your project and network as much between the same level of management between companies. Sales isn't order taking.

[@briz1965]

had to have a cup of tea to calm down after the HR comment. JP a little naive. The vast majority of hiring for successful companies is by employment agencies. Get your marketing team to build a photo book presentation (like through walmart) of your scheme and get it to them. They live by finding the right persons and have a monetary interest and their sales team will be sharp. Get a decent marketing and sales team together.

[@drowningblonde]

Socionics does work and is a great way to predict performance. Some people just arent cut out for some jobs and socionics can actually predict this.

[@arcanewarrior863]

Problem with socionics is it uses Jung's functions and put them in a very rigid structure based on Nietzsche's ideas. Socionics doesn't allow for function loops and completely discounts the shadow integration.

[@georger6624]

I agree with you Jordan Peterson is way above the average teacher he’s very interesting schools might be lotta fun

[@eco-beehive]

Jordan. You are the man!! You know your sh1t coz you been out in the real world and you are still strong!! Wow!!

[@AnnaLVajda]

I have taken the test twice results were the same except I am a little more introverted now than when I took it 8 years ago both times I was sort of half and half about the extroversion. I'm used to sales and working with the public so I can be very outgoing but to balance that I am more introverted in my personal life.

[@TeriPatrick1]

The bit about selling to Enterprise customers is hilarious. Of course it is hard. These are enormously complex organizations rife with conflicting goals and barriers to decision makers. That's why it's a good idea to hire specialist with the requisite knowledge and experience. Consider that they are making the case to prospective customers that they should spend more to make better hires - because doing so will make them more profitable. A bit of additional spending on the right people in this case would likely have made a big difference! (Note: Sales expertise - to get to the right people with the right message. Marketing expertise to craft resonate messages aligned with each influencer and decision maker's local goals)

[@Sleeplessstars]

"I was also curious... because... because I am curious I guess" 4:43

[@Winterlandzzz]

And I was just thinking what his take would be on this whole mbti thing and KZbin be like.." Here you go.. Watch this " 😁

[@johnpepin5373]

It seems to me the best measure of the productivity of a manager is the aggregate average of the productivities of those he manages. Obviously, a bad manager will have lower aggregated average, of those he or she manages, than a good manager.

[@mochhisyamtanzil9741]

11:54 this just goes from zero to 100 really quick

[@eth1006]

Totally spot on

[@FancybutFrugal]

JBP learns b2b sales. Super fun

[@christinah.8504]

you just described the inner workings of the common workplace at a federal job in D.C. to a tee.

[@KM-wf9yx]

I do believe if I had a professor in college like DR. JP, I very well might have stayed in college!?!

[@johnsmith1882-x2i]

that was quite a ride

[@sschmi7]

This guy is really smart.

[@einarabelc5]

Corporations, another form of state.

[@theelderelk5582]

Corporatism and socialism go hand in hand. One lobbies the other for special benefits, the other gets 'gifts' from the first. The entire idea that they are opposed to each other is a farce

[@josephrobertson8660]

@@theelderelk5582 They're just two relatively distinct ways people can exert power over society, corruptly or justly

[@theelderelk5582]

@@lifotheparty6195 what do you mean? I almost feel like you're dismissing what I said but don't see how our points of view contradict

[@shnoogums1]

My friend doesn’t even understand how percentages in general work. I’ll never understand people

[@hamayun1112]

might not be really his fault

[@shnoogums1]

Hamayun Ahmadi never said it was

[@srinivasanp.b9914]

The Myers Briggs has zero predictive utility on performance. Remember this

[@Zoney06]

The myers briggs shares many similarities with his own personality test, the big five personality traits.

[@gringotroller]

Claims require evidence, remember this

[@GrubKiller436]

Everyone relatively smart knows this. The test itself never said anything about performance anyway.

[@saxachewon8062]

T'was an old username and I'll change it soon. Exactly. It’s a personality test, not a performance test.

[@alexios4392]

Agile/Scrum are testing productivity soooo goood

[@DarkFoxV]

the end is good

[@AnnaLVajda]

I've taken the test twice with almost the same results. I am always borderline about the extroverted introverted bit though at the moment I am more introverted INFJ.

[@cbalan777]

Introversion breaks down into gregariousness and enthusiasm. You might be higher in one than the other.

[@andreww.8262]

Agile > Waterfall

[@jamesrindley6215]

Agile = corporate masturbation.

[@rogermoody2660]

New test, I’ll call it the game theory based test. Brutal!

[@DoubleUProds]

*wildly gesturing* "cus, it's a large company man" Goddamnit i fucking love prof. Kermit

[@morganmcdonnell910]

I have a question about intelligence. If like JP says we cannot improve IQ past the age of 25, that intelligence is mostly determined biologically through your genetics and up to the age of 8 when your neural pathways are most strongly developed. By this logic an individual has very little free will in his/her capacity for intelligence as a child (0-8) is pretty much totally controlled by their parents and other role models at this age. Therefore it doesn't seem to me we have a lot of free will here, which seems quite important as he also says intelligence is the number one key indicator of success in the workplace. So what do you do as a young adult with low intelligence but who aspires to have a long and lustrous career?

[@amokeefe0]

I run a small business, where can I buy this test when hiring new staff?

[@seldonwright4345]

When I worked in an auto plant, driving the trash forklift I had a saying There are two true outputs. Trash out the back. A salable product can almost be considered a happy accident.

[@JoostEurovisionFans]

Do the test also include ethics & strong moral values?

[@Ladida386]

@Jordan Peterson: you've just described how corporations are basically self-limiting and therefore inhibiting. Probably that's why when they reach the maximum point they stop growing and that's why they don't want your test. They are not up for the growth. (BTW: I would like to see the correlations between growth of corporations with growth of microorganisms.) I now work in a company (300 people) where I see that management is not able to deal with such mass of people (wrong organisation of work, wrong people for the tasks, too little people for the tasks, they don't know how to work with money) and therefore they are unsuccessful (3mio € in debt). Basically the whole system is built in such a way that basically, if you would want to 'run the engine' you would need to change the whole structure of employee and in this case your test would be most welcome.

[@wedyenohraindrops]

Where can I find his employee aptitude test?!

[@abdallababikir4473]

The test was never made to predict performance, except maybe the fact that ESTJs fit into corporations and management better than INTPs

[@ImmenseNeugier]

Can someone explain? Why does a correlation of 0.2 / 0.25 only explain 5%? Doenst it explain 20% / 25%? I know That correlation isnt the Same as causation but how do you get from 0.2 / 0.25 to 5% and why exactly? Thx

[@ImmenseNeugier]

I found out the answer by myself, when someone Wants to know PM me :)

[@jodysin7]

Where is this test

[@goktugtasc7912]

So you're saying INFP's are incompetent worms?

[@symersion]

Ahh I knew I'll run into a comment with Infp in it. Yeah we do feel like it :'D

[@karlopeternel7685]

Are you stupid INFPs is the best possible type out there None would ever allow himself to be incompetent Those are stars for God sake, they have invaluable emotional intelligence and character My best

[@davidjohnson8655]

Naw, they are competent worms. No worries bro.

[@honkytonk4465]

What are INFPs, initially non-fapping persons?

[@danascully1248]

-Cathy Newman, 2018

[@projectg408]

The girl at 10:02 is thinking about literally nothing lol. She has no idea what is even being said...

[@wireshrub]

My own thoughts on Myers-Brigg (based on Jung) are that it is contrivedly simplistic. Whilst Jung made some decent assumptions on the basic ideas about personality, some of the interactions between the elements he chose are merely guesswork. Add to that more guesswork from Myers-Brigg (yes, people are outwardly focused and inwardly focused at different times generally speaking, but putting them in a hierarchy which goes inward/outward/inward/outward just makes no sense - why can't someone be inward/inward/inward/inward and be dysfunctional?), and you get a dogmatic, unnatural looking system that denies complexity. The only tool we have for dealing with complexity is statistical analysis which is what MBTI ends up doing, by having a questionnaire that for all intents and purposes is the same as the Big Five (measuring for traits and behaviours, NOT 'internal processes' - which you can't prove to be real let alone measure accurately). This means that the testing method simply has nothing to do with the system that's supposed to be running it.

[@slooob23]

But yet MBTI still works. I have studied MBTI for a while now and I think it does have value, but it certainly has limitations. The greatest limitation being that those that love it so much turn it into a cult and use their 4 letters as an excuse to not develop their character. I became quite good at "typing" people after I got to know them and in my opinion it definitely had some predictive ability on behavior, but I certainly wouldn't rely on it to make big decisions to predict the suitability of people for a relationship or work output etc. I think it provides a better picture in a personal context to orientate yourself than the big 5 model does. MBTI allows for people that can be conscientious in one aspect of their lives and not so much in another, where as the big five model doesn't seem to allow so much for this. The problem is that the test itself requires a high level of honesty and self awareness in order to get the right result, so perhaps the whole thing has more accuracy for the people that actually need it less. In essence I think there is good evidence that the MBTI test could be based on some objective truth but its practical application is limited due to how easily it is corrupted by the subjective whims of the people that love it so much and the whole "feel good" factor.

[@wireshrub]

The question was how did you type people without knowing what they are thinking? it comes down to things they say and their behaviour. MBTI is assertions about thinking. It supposes 8 different kinds of thinking, and questions are written to score you low or high on each one. It's arbitrary, just like the big 5 traits. My issue is with how it marries them together and they have to work in a certain order. It seeks to explain the origin of personality rather than just observing it, which is too ambitious. Like the emotions (which are a lot simpler) are still ultimately just a random collection of totally unrelated systems that evolved at different times. As for my first post which is a little more confused, I will say this after reading and thinking a little more. The four letter stuff is an artificial layer on top that is solely used for convenient explanation. However, there are still some issues like why you have to have a judging then a perceiving, and a introverted then an extroverted. and well that is their next assertion about thinking, that these things must work in pairs, which is logical because you have to take a piece of information and think about it. Well this whole thing seems like a theory of how people think more than anything else. I think we are better off with traits, but we might need more than 5 of them.

[@slooob23]

The thing is, does MBTI whether by design or by accident accurately reflect some objective truth about human personality? Could the way it is set up accidentally reflect some right brain/left brain process? I am perhaps not as well versed as you are in these matters so i accept my perceptions could be way off base, but usually I can sniff out (eventually) when something is nonsense, but with MBTI the test of time has still left me thinking that there is something rather intriguing about it. My own 'type" (INFJ) does seem to accurately reflect the way I think, I am definitely an introvert, but definitely an extrovert in the "feeling" aspect and the type description fits me rather well. The big five model was not particularly helpful for me even if it has a better basis in science. For example, I ranked fairly low in conscientiousness in the big five, but with MBTI my type description more accurately described why I have a messy desk and struggle with order, yet in other areas show relatively high conscientious traits and a general desire for orderliness. MBTI reveals this sort of "tension" between seemingly opposing traits in a way that seems to have better practical value.

[@rhysoliver227]

I'd agree. it definitely measures something. I originally got Infp (i was severely in the Intj loop of Ni fi to use MBTI terminology) then infj for the longest time. eventually getting Intj and testing that and having it work for me so much more comfortably. I'd recommend the Neuroscience of personality by Dario Nardi. its fascinating and useful

[@Games4Dummies]

Haven't taken the Big 5 test yet but just found out about MBTI a few days ago and it's fascinating. I'm an INTP and almost everything I've read or listened to about INTPs I am amazed at how it describes my life, it's like someone that knows me better than myself almost. Sure some of it is forer effect since some of the things are pretty generic like almost everyone has trouble with their emotions and relationships, stress, anxiety, lack of focus and "motivation". But other are very specific and they still apply, at least the vast majority of them, and here confirmation bias might be playing a role as I overlook the things that don't really describe me and just focus on the ones that do. I can also see how i can be dangerous if I am not careful because I've certainly found that over the past few days I've started putting myself in this "INTP box" and using it as a way to justify some of my behaviours (to myself), as if they are not my fault, almost like the concept of fate. But in a way I can't keep thinking that they are in a way not my fault, at least not entirely since we are all born with different personalities. This is actually something I've struggled with, the idea of determinism, since we are the result of genetics/nature and our environment (nurture, society...) and they have even shown in a study that it's possible to predict your future thought and action before they occur, so the researchers know what you are going to do before you realize it. And in theory you could predict all of my future thoughts and actions if you had all the molecular information right?, you could predict the weather if you had all the information from all the atoms in the universe. Maybe not, because of quantum mechanics there would be a "random" factor but thats still not "me" (whatever that is) actually doing anything. I think what has been the most useful from the MBTI is just knowing that people are so different. I already knew I was an introvert but understanding that some people (like me) are more logical (T) and big picture (N) and others might be different (Ss and Fs) has helped me understand why when I talk with my parents in the abstract they might be thinking about it practically, and it often leads to arguments. I feel like they are are not listening to what I'm saying but in reality it may be that they just don't or can't think in the same way. Besides the abstract and feelings something that happens all the time is that I'm talking about the future and possibilities and they are talking about the past and present and the world as is instead of how it could be. They also use the "because the majority does it" argument which irritates me so much, they seem to have difficulty thinking about what is outside the status quo and traditions and social rules while I question everything and need to know the why and understand it or I will not give it any merit, so "because the majority does it" is not an argument for me (obviously). This also has to to with age my brain is more elastic and so it's easier for me to change my mind and they are more "stuck in their ways" since the brain has mostly "settled", at least from what I think this is scientifically proven, although there might be ways to keep your brain "flexible" as you age but constantly learning new things and questionings your ideas...

[@bruceanderson5538]

AWESOME nutshell.

[@j-l6913]

The girl in 3:53, I'm with you on this one

[@gjgoyena]

Pitch the CEO first. Bypass the rest of the gatekeepers. Sales 101.

[@Xeando]

Only people who haven't pitched shit would say this

[@fatedtomakeit6928]

Xeando Lol. You’re both correct as far as I can tell. It’s damn near pointless pitching to someone other than an executive within a company, however, good luck getting ahold of an executive. (Unless you work for a small company)

[@dgates6165]

Pitch the CEO, don't try and sell them. If they think it's a good idea, they will tell you who you should be speaking with. A lot of CEO's that I have dealt with will not make a decision unless their team has input and has been sold on the concept of the product. Some CEO's I have dealt with DO NOT make every single decision within a company, and pitching them at all would be pointless. Every company/customer is different and needs to be treated as such.

[@jabrown]

Oh MAN, those companies and their damn managers sure are a pain in the ass, eh? BUT! Let me remark something good. When I was in high school and later as an undergraduate student, I hated everything to do with business and management. I wanted nothing to do with it whatsoever. This set me back compared to my peers who were more commercially and entrepreneurially minded. Now I am 29 and a business owner, and I'm finally coming around to this, thanks in a large part to Dr. Peterson who showed me there is a lot of real psychology behind it and that it's actually very interesting, plus that making money and being able to provide for your family is an important and desirable thing in life.

[@zerge69]

Welcome to sales.

[@TheKlink]

Anybody got a link for the employee testing company? Used to be on his website, but doesn't seem to be there any more.

[@joefunk76]

Trying to sell JP’s tests to a corporate hack is like trying to sell fine classic novels to a kid interested in reading only comic books or an adult interested in reading only mass-market magazines. It’s not that most people merely simply don’t have an appetite for or inclination towards quality - it’s that they actively despise it.