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The psychology of leadership is a mess, says Jordan Peterson, because it's clouded by "management idiot speak." One example? A leader's job isn't to motivate people; it's to tap into people's sense of purpose. Motivation is the byproduct.
Lead your team like a free society, not a dictatorship. Based on developmental psychologist Jean Piaget's observations, Peterson emphasizes the importance of an equilibrated state, which is "a situation that's set up by two or more people where everyone is participating in the state voluntarily." Authoritarian-style leadership ("Do this or else") is a terrible way to run a team.
Good leadership means finding people who want to contribute. Otherwise, says Peterson, "the enforcement costs are so high that the free society will outcompete the authoritarian society across time."
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JORDAN PETERSON:
Jordan B. Peterson, raised and toughened in the frigid wastelands of Northern Alberta, has flown a hammer-head roll in a carbon-fiber stunt-plane, explored an Arizona meteorite crater with astronauts, and built a Kwagu'l ceremonial bighouse on the upper floor of his Toronto home after being invited into and named by that Canadian First Nation. He's taught mythology to lawyers, doctors and business people, consulted for the UN Secretary General, helped his clinical clients manage depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder, anxiety, and schizophrenia, served as an adviser to senior partners of major Canadian law firms, and lectured extensively in North America and Europe. With his students and colleagues at Harvard and the University of Toronto, Dr. Peterson has published over a hundred scientific papers, transforming the modern understanding of personality, while his book Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief revolutionized the psychology of religion. His latest book is 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos.
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TRANSCRIPT:
JORDAN PETERSON: I suppose this touches on the psychology of leadership too-which is a mess, by the way.
Well, what's the fundamental characteristic of a leader? Here's one: A leader is someone who knows where he or she is going. Well that would be the first thing, is like, how are you going to lead unless you have a destination?
Okay. Well a destination implies an ethic. And then you need to be able to communicate that. And you communicate your destination with a story. Now if I want to motivate people-and that's not the right way to think about it, because you shouldn't want to motivate people. That's management idiot speak, that is-what you should so is figure out something that's worth doing, that you really think is worth doing. Something that you would actually commit a substantial proportion of your life to. And you should have deep reasons for pursuing it. And then if you're a leader, well first of all you have that established, but the second is that you can communicate that, okay, and you communicate that in a manner that also appeals to other people's sense of purpose. And so you'd say to someone, like if I wanted to move forward with you on an enterprise, I would have to say, "Well here's the purpose of the enterprise and here's the reasons that it's not only eminently justifiable but more justifiable than anything else we could be doing at the same time." And then I'd have to say, "Well here's what's in it for me, and here's what's in it for you. And here's why the two of us together can further the enterprise and further what's in it for you and further what's in it for me."
And then you have a situation there that Piaget, Jean Piaget, the developmental psychologist, called an equilibrated state. So an equilibrated state is a situation that's set up by two or more people where everyone is participating in the state voluntarily. So when he got that - he derived that notion in part by looking at how children set up games. So if children are going to set up a pretend game, what they do is they negotiate a little narrative, to begin with. It's almost like they generate a little play and they assign everyone their parts, and then they manifest the play, and that's how they think. But everyone has to accept their part voluntarily, right, or the game won't continue. Now Piaget's ethical claim, ethical analytic claim, was that a game everyone plays voluntarily is more sustainable and productive than one the people have to be forced to play. And that was his fundamental dist...
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[@trentonknauer9118]

Thank you for having Peterson on so often. He’s an inspiration.

[@trollbagginsphd1110]

He’s a Big Thinker

[@AmarMTV]

1. Have a destination/goal/vision that you believe in. 2. Communicate your destination with the story/reasoning. 3. Figure out what's really worth doing and why is it worth doing for you and me (set the equilibrated state). Voluntary participation is more sustainable than authoritative. 4. Have participants write their life plan and how helping you out with your goal will help them achieve their goals.

[@PracticalInspiration]

Great about appealing to other people's sense of purpose. Get them to believe in your mission and they will naturally follow you.

[@arianabdolahy8276]

You don't get them to believe in your mission. They believe in their mission! What you do as a leader is you articulate what they are already believing. And what they are already believing happens to resonate with what you are believing which is no wonder when we imagine that we all have the same needs partly in very different forms of expression. Of course what they are already believing might be a little map of the world, a fragmented part of the overarching vision that you and them are resonating with. It could be something like an ancient, archetypal dream. In that case your mission is an outgrowth of something much deeper, which you are acting out and you happen to be the leader because you're understanding it better than anybody else in your community. So by articulating it you also help them identify and integrate the unknown, which can manifest itself in an uncomfortable memory, bodily sensations, confusion and powerlessness. By that your relationship to the unknown, to the chaos becomes a source of power, growth, self-discovery, meaningful contribution and a meaningful life.

[@gokuson4238]

@@arianabdolahy8276 well said! God Bless! Stay strong, stay safe and take care of yourselves! Wishing everyone the best!

[@jonni2317]

Anyone interested in human behavior might want to consider looking up Dr Robert Sapolski's lectures

[@SAM-ft9jd]

underrated comment however very necessary.

[@ionmastersp21]

was just thinking the same thing, the work of google ai?

[@jonni2317]

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[@jnoter]

Jonathan Haidt also has some very in depth views on morality through evolution. Very good lectures.

[@dagnabbitwabbit]

Yoink

[@gokuson4238]

God Bless! Stay strong, stay safe and take care of yourselves! Wishing everyone the best!

[@xherdanrayng1903]

I don’t understand all the hate this guy gets, I agree w everything he said in this video

[@Lyonessi]

That might be why. Those who don't understand or agree end up hating.

[@DudeRevolution]

​@@Lyonessi For me it's his appalling dissection of Jung and how he misinterprets symbolism archetypes to drive home his jargon filled fallacies. Or it could be that he's a misogynist and has no desire to give a truthful recount of the history of womans rights? Maybe it's that he's cynic disguised as an intellect? Or is it that he's self help guru that gathers his fame by posting antagonistic messages aimed at broken, heartbroken men? .. or sure, you could just say 'we we don't understand so we hate'.

[@Lyonessi]

@@DudeRevolution you missed out 'or agree'. Never did I seclude your audience

[@DudeRevolution]

@@Lyonessi And thus capsulates the intellect of Petersons audience. Ability to absorb, inability to rebut. Thanks for the proofread check though.

[@Lyonessi]

@@DudeRevolution Well to be honest I chose not to defend Peterson because for one, I haven't proof read all his work and neither am I fully aware of the works of Jung. I don't think it would've been a productive conversation. However, I would like to say that although I don't know how much you've been willing to uncover and understand Jordan's work, your claims and reasoning on him being misogynistic and cynical seem incredibly low fetched. He's been countlessly accused and attacked by these falsifiable claims in the past, you can even watch interviewers first handly completely misinterpret and twist what he says that it's laughable. I'm not only talking about his Cathy Newman interview but many of his appearances in interviews and articles. Majority of the false claims have been made by mainstream outlets to appease to their buying audiences. It's happened so often now that it's painful to witness the constant poor and partisan reporting. That's what I find appalling, and so I decided to further understand this man by other means. I'd advise everyone to educate themselves on where his claims come from and precisely what he's saying. As far as I'm aware he hasn't said anything that comes off the way you describe him - at least not after you get over the initial bluntness of the way he often responds. Well then, I guess I came out to defend him after all, but for the reason that his man is heavily misrepresented it's sickening.

[@TrentOgren]

There is so much wisdom packed into this 7 minute video I can hardly stand it. I’ve been spending a lot of time the last few years thinking and reading about leadership and management, but this brilliantly shows that leadership is really not that complicated: 1. Find something that’s worth pursuing 2. Find a compelling way to communicate it 3. That’s it. There’s no third step, stop reading! Stop overcomplicating it! I’m going to stop overthinking it and just watch this video regularly as a reminder

[@Mathamyeli]

I was just going looking for a book on leadership and then though maybe type "jordan peterson leadership" Thanks for the perfect introduction on this topic, Doc! Once again a fountain of wisdom for my life! Thank you!

[@BigR376]

The US Army's definition of leadership is "To influence others by using purpose, direction, and motivation to accomplish the mission and improve the organization. Just food for thought.

[@BigR376]

@TheExplorer Thanks for that. I hope you feel better now.

[@mrdonetx]

@TheExplorer it's awesome that you are able to use every privilege to which the United States military can be directly and indirectly attributed of protecting to say such things. Instead of focusing on how many people who have been killed let's calculate the number of people who were saved, still living and all of their decendants because of the United States military. I will be waiting for your calculation. I'll give you a hint... It's going to be a far larger number than millions. Are mistakes made very much so but when you are pretty much the only country willing to do anything then most of them will be yours. And it's not as if they're not trying to reduce unintentional deaths. That's why they contracted Google to make a better AI system for drones so that they were more precise and accurate reducing risk to innocent people. But Google employees rebelled. I have news for you that's not going to stop the military using drones it's only going to stop them from using more precise and accurate ones. So as far as I'm concerned all those Google employees who protested and got the company to cancel the contract are just as responsible for any deaths from drones that were unintentional. You have the knowledge and the capability to save lives by making them smarter and more accurate. You're active refusal to do so makes you just as guilty.

[@MrNicoJac]

@Ron Typed on your phone, eh? Autocorrelation turned "good" into "food" ;-)

[@mrdonetx]

@@MrNicoJac well you can probably attribute a lot of food grown to them too. Lol

[@BigR376]

@@MrNicoJac corrected thanks

[@megavide0]

3:17 "Look, here's the goal.. here's your role... here's what this will add to your life, practically and in terms of significant engagement and involvement... and then -- if you can do that [...] then people will participate in the game voluntarily..."

[@madraschap]

I like the way Jordan Peterson seamlessly connects the individual conscience with large social objectives. Leadership often fails when we look at people as collectives and start imposing common rules on them. But each life is different and each person has goals in their life. To appeal to individual sense of purpose & build on a harmonious plan for their entire lives of which work is just a part is the answer.

[@edgeofthought]

Monday morning, 8 am in Eastern Standard Time. Watch this video. Coffee. (in that order). Next: Time boxing scheduling, calls to team members and emailing to students. Watch this video again. What a great timing for publishing this vid.

[@keatonsmith5669]

He gets his information out so effectively, his train of thought rides on smooth rails you might say.

[@philu3]

That was ridiculously powerful. How does the organization fit into your life plan, and if it doesn't, leave and find an organization that fits into your life plan.

[@hanzlearningsolutions]

One of those unique thinkers, if u r looking for someone to change your way of thinking and becoming a leader u have come to the right video. 👏👏

[@cscglobalalumni]

JP is on point as usual. Unless you know where you are going and can effectively lead and motivate others to follow you on the journey and create a compelling reason why it is hard to make effective change as a leader. Showing your team how to fulfil their own self of purpose is key.

[@teok8855]

This video should have subtitles in multiple languages, it’s extremely valuable, thanks BigThink.

[@obeb787]

This video is bullshit

[@teok8855]

D. Feliciano Ok, would you like to explain why you think so?

[@zam9411]

@@teok8855 He can't. He's been simply told to hate him and he is ignorant enough to actually do it. It's sad realy.

[@teok8855]

@@zam9411 I hope that's not the case...

[@michaelregis1015]

Teo K I really hope that that's not the case.

[@anjalasharma1311]

How can someone hate him, he is life changing person 🙏🏻

[@jakejakejakejakejakejake]

Godlike! His decades of experience shine through! ❤ X

[@ourochroma]

Y'ALL CAN TRY COME FOR ME BUT THIS MAN HERE IS MY HERO!

[@fred3215]

He would tell you to fix your grammar...and stand up straight;)

[@hallking7441]

That's the saddest thing I've ever heard.

[@isaacfrancis2820]

@@hallking7441 read*

[@elgalas]

Best advice for entrepreneurs. Ever.

[@Kavriel]

Good video, insightful point, Jordan once again proves that despite some of his flaws, he has lots of interesting things to say.

[@kantilalbaravaliya2389]

Jay Swaminarayan

[@pn2205]

i’m no bereft of love because i know i’ll always love this man. i don’t hate my existence because i live on a planet where Jordan peterson is a part of . i am no longer weak because i got words of truth by Jordan peterson to protect me. I don’t know about god but i find comfort like some believer finds in his god, in jordan peterson.

[@mattd8725]

Could you get Jordan Peterson do a clip on how unspoken context and subtext are often more important than the text in media? Thanks in advance.

[@aoflex]

Jordan has guided millions of people towards more beautiful individual lives that benefit communities. Thank you Jordan.

[@jfabiani]

And people say he is not a guru and yet that is how people perceive him. Sexy Sadie......

[@EdgeRatedR007]

Yeah, more hateful young males that hate women. Very beautiful lives.

[@aoflex]

@@EdgeRatedR007 I love women. I love life. I love love.

[@EgonSoda]

@@EdgeRatedR007 questioning women behavior and work ettichs compared to male or helping young or old men realize they are on the wrong path= hating on females, got it. Its more likely comments like yours who create hatred.

[@CarolineLamarche]

@@EdgeRatedR007 only if being a mysogin gives your life purpose and meaning.

[@toplobster5374]

"It's better to be feared not loved. If you can't be both." -Machiavelli

[@izzymannella]

"Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me."--Michael Scott

[@toplobster5374]

@@izzymannella I don't think so, people can betray. And "the saddest thing about betrayal is that it never comes from an enemy" ~ Michael Corleone (In case we are playing quoting game😄)

[@izzymannella]

@@toplobster5374 "betrayal ain't just a river in Egypt"--Michael Scott

[@akvila0225]

Live long and prosper Prof. Jordwn b Peterson.

[@infibeta]

Thank you

[@curly0117]

L O B S T E R S

[@ourochroma]

Clean your room

[@Misuci]

what is that ?

[@Freedom_is_essential1]

Chapter 1

[@anonymous-vg7kc]

Get your act together

[@DrEhrfurchtgebietend]

Why are people down voting this? He is basically saying why liberal leadership is good and fascist leadership is bad

[@andrewv.157]

I don't know why they hâte it, but he is not saying (even basically) that libéral leadership is good, and fasist is bad. Basically, he explain that to be a successful leader you have to, at least, invite to people to follow you to a place you know that is good for you and them. And this is council both liberal et fascists leaderships can benefits without stoping being libéral or facist.

[@DrEhrfurchtgebietend]

@@andrewv.157 You say this because you do not understand what liberalism or fascism is. If it is simpler for you then replace liberal with laissez faire and fascist with authorotarian

[@andrewv.157]

Dr.Ehrfurchtgebietend Hi, I don't think I am this lost. Facist leaders are not the only one to push for their ideas in their country. Facist Italy was full of facists people supporters that wanted this. It is not because you are under autoritarian government that you are in it against your will. Same for liberals I think. Today several countries are under liberal policy. When some citizens try to go against it, they automatically met the autoritarian face of the freedom. So, "laissez faire", is more a mythe than a truth. There is people who like liberal policy, and others who want facist policy (sometimes, they can flip it, i guess) Anyway, for the leader to be successful, Jordan explain that you have to show the people how what you offer is good for you and them, and that you know what you are doing very well (destination thing). It is a need for all kind of leaders. No matter their position on the left/right rule.

[@DrEhrfurchtgebietend]

@@andrewv.157 yes, there are no truly liberal countries. The point of liberalism is being free to choose. This is what he is getting at

[@Gulgathydra]

Transphobic Man Bad! is why

[@jaydearien8624]

Good stuff! I had the idea that empires (eg British Empire) were able to continually expand because of an equilibrated state involving the government, the clergy, the military, the merchants, the people, the monarchy who all had a motivating “what’s in it for me?” Motivator. When some of the factions started falling away, growth of the empire slowed to a stop. It seems that Thailand (and possibly Japan) managed to avoid being assimilated by undermining and turning certain of these factions against each other.

[@johnpetrov6602]

I really liked this video he makes a lot of sense.

[@tubehicks7037]

To the haters here, please help me to understand your disdain. I'm honestly interested.

[@4BlueberryWaffles]

I agree

[@brettalbert6212]

Sure, I'll give it a good faith shot. Peterson was mostly a forgettable academic crank who had been denied tenure at Harvard and was toiling on relative obscurity in Canadian academia until he found his niche, which was mostly "owning" young underclassmen in his courses who asked to be called by their preferred pronouns. He then went on a global speaking tour to talk about how he's being censored, and continuously lied about public policy that he personally disagreed with. He cloaks this behavior by publishing books telling people to make their bed or be good leaders (like this video), and that's just enough cover for his often cultish fans to point to in his defense. TL;DR: None of the good things Peterson brings to the table are at all unique to his work, and giving him a global platform scales all his more vicious beliefs and biases.

[@samglenn8323]

@@4BlueberryWaffles Ignore the haters. Remember, behind every hater there is a sad person. I truly hope that people can find something that will really make them happy, instead of wasting time debating online, because in the end, hate will never bring happiness or fulfilment. That's the truth.

[@ashvideoer]

@@samglenn8323 100% agree man, solid take

[@dzcosimo]

A completely uncontroversial video, that in few hours gets 33% of dislikes. I wonder which is the reason.

[@sourcedrop7624]

Cosimo Della Santina this has only been up less than an hour and mostly likes. What gives dude?

[@raymeester7883]

Hive mind.

[@Shaft0]

People don't like his face

[@Gulgathydra]

@@Shaft0 No, it's the Kermit voice they have an aversion to.

[@redrowolloftnod5230]

Even Depak Chopra says things that make sense sometimes.

[@naveedanjum9183]

That is great and on point. I am also really curious about another aspect of organization which is politics and struggle of power. Many people might believe in the same vision and the same overall direction but politics is something always at play in any type and size of the organization. Where someone wants to have more influence and power over people and resources. As a leader how you cope with that? even when you have done your job to have a clear vision, and communicated it to the people and have right the "right" people on board who believe in that and also believe that this job and the vision of the company can help them to achieve their own lives goals. How you handle that power struggle within the organization and keep everyone on track and also make sure as a leader people don't challenge your leadership every other day and disrupt the flow of progress and hurt the quality of what ever you are producing.

[@TumbleSensei]

Love Jordan, Thanks for everything you do. A generation finally learning RESPONSIBILITY.

[@joshuamiller5952]

Love me some Jordan Peterson. He always has something interesting to say.

[@fredsk8x]

I find Dr. Gabor Maté more revelant and on point than JP nowdays . I would really like to see them have a dialogue together !

[@jjcevallos12]

Fred Ares can you tell me a little about that guy? I’m curious?

[@fredsk8x]

@@jjcevallos12 Well,(wiki says): He's a Doctor (physician) with interest in childhood development and trauma. He specialized in the study and treatment of addictions (not only drugs but addictive behavior in general). I personally just got into his work, not so long ago, so I don't feel really comfortable/apt enough to give you a resume But I invite you to listen to the many presentations & interviews he got on here, or/and read his books if you are interested. I picked one up yesterday but didn't started reading it yet ^^ I really loved his lectures tho.

[@jjcevallos12]

Fred Ares yeah that is oddly similar background to Jordan Peterson. I probably will check him out

[@von_freiesleben64]

is a marxist tho

[@fredsk8x]

@@von_freiesleben64 I personally feel that he is looking at the problems, He's face with, with relatively 'clean eyes', mostly his medical background(knowledge). I don't think he is associating himself or approching the problem with any ideology(ism). I would be careful not to dismissed him & what he's saying by simple possibility of association to marxism or any ism. He seems to be making sure that his statements are backed-up by the latest scientific/medical studies & express ,often, that he's not comfortable speculating or anwsering questions that are over extending his knowledge. ( sorry for grammar and text structure, i'm not a native speaker and in a hurry ^^)

[@sroown]

That is why you start with a vision and mission.

[@glaubeco]

Insightful sharing

[@brandankelly4907]

All these people giving him all this hate in the comments probably didn’t even listen to a word he said

[@wgo523]

To be fair, he says things like "that's idiot speak". This guy belongs in these comments 😂

[@ev99193]

Hahahaha no need to.

[@alphabett66]

Jordan has nothing to say. He uses predictive mirroring to let his audience(s) put their meaning into his words. Example: Does Jordan believe in God, "It depends what you mean by God." There's a frankly pathological reason he says "...what you mean..." that reason is; he wants his audience to insert their meaning into his words.

[@wgo523]

@@alphabett66 I thought you were gonna say he uses predictive text. Hello, I am Jordan Peterson and I think it would be good to have a good time with you and your family are doing well and that you are not feeling well and will be back in the office tomorrow and will be back in the office tomorrow if that works reliably the world and level and then you are not actually going through some things that there was an incident with you guys wanna change my address for a long time?

[@DoctorMandible]

@@alphabett66 except he has 10 lectures about the Bible online you can watch...

[@Bamskki]

Auto NPC dislike: ON

[@saradanhoff6539]

Eh, he's out forward so many anti-gay and downright stupid viewpoints in the past that it's impossible to take anything he says seriously. It's why people tend to autodownvote anything portraying him in a remotely positive light. And before you make assumptions, I'm not remotely "leftist", just someone who bothers to factcheck.

[@joeschmoe6492]

@@saradanhoff6539 Can you please link me to some of the anti-gay stuff he has said? My sister is gay and I would be the first to shut down someone for spewing anti-gay rhetoric but I have watched all of Jordan's videos and have not once heard him say anything remotely homophobic. Please link sources or you're the one spreading false information. I will be waiting for your links so I can stop listening to him once I see his anti-gay remarks.

[@toobnoobify]

@@saradanhoff6539 _"It's why people tend to autodownvote anything portraying him in a remotely positive light."_ The cognitive dissonance is off the charts with you. Did you notice the like ratio on this video? How about virtually every other JP video on KZbin? Sounds like your awesome 'factchecking' skills could use some polishing. Also, I love how JP haters always call him racist/homophobe/nazi *without ever* providing any actual reference to something he said. Just baseless insults and hand waving then POOF, they disappear in a cloud of smoke. You're more than welcome to put your money where your mouth is and show us where he has said anti-gay rhetoric, 'factchecker.' But we both know that would require actually listening to what he says rather than mindlessly regurgitating talking points from your echo chamber, so I won't hold my breath.

[@ryanjeanes5253]

I think the same can be said about his supporters.

[@kryeyingface720]

@@saradanhoff6539 yeah hes definitely not anti-gay. Sounds like your "fact checks" need to be fact checked.

[@braddawson3245]

Interesting approach to leadership. Having taken over several enterprises as a "hired gun" the first step was to always overcome the negative inertia that was put in place by any predecessors.

[@hyx6817]

thanks

[@TheMasterfulcreator]

The absolute dichotomy of polar opposite responses in the comments is hilarious.

[@Im9002glorious]

Dawg shut the freak up

[@216trixie]

Fug yerself. @@Im9002glorious

[@Mister-Thirteen]

A perfect Heraclitan tension.

[@SAM-ft9jd]

Those that love him, love him because of his ability to inspire. Those that tend to disdain him tend to see him as a religious apologist. They may go about their affection or dissatisfaction with the guy in different ways, but it simply boils down to those two views

[@Mister-Thirteen]

@@SAM-ft9jd you know what I find weird about those that target his apologetics? They don't seem to note that he's taking a Jungian view of his faith as a cultural archetype; he's not trying to justify the bullshit of the institution or the faithful by rather the potential value of the abrahamic symbols and archetypes for the collective unconscious. I don't necessarily agree with Peterson on this but his detractors don't seem to grasp the argument at all. They have this total misunderstanding of his argument that leads their rebuttals totally off the mark; no matter how sound the internal logic of the counter argument may be. I'd argue that his apologetics make the same mistake as Karl Jung; namely that the common western archetypes are not the sole archetypes that effect a individual living in the west; Even more so in the information age!

[@RichLuciano1]

Think Big should get William Lane Craig, Ravi Zacharias and John Lennox to impart some knowledge

[@EnglishMike]

Eeek. Talk about dumbing down...

[@RichLuciano1]

@@EnglishMike it looks like that went over your head. I'm sorry you feel that way. Have a happy New year

[@lierofjeld5051]

GENIUS

[@alejndraalmirowitsch4897]

I wish business advisors go into depth as what they talking about, not just sounding like they want to sell me something. Bless Jordan Peterson.

[@vlastos]

People hate on him, because they've been told to do so

[@CybernautZero]

I dislike him because I think he's a jackass based on what he's said in the past. I have listened to him speak on multiple occasions. Don't give me that repeated NPC nonsense. Just because people are in disagreement, it doesn't mean they lack the capacity to think for themselves.

[@raymeester7883]

They hate on him because they can't think for themselves.

[@vlastos]

@@CybernautZero You know I was not referring to people actually listening and then having different opinions, that's fine, its actually needed, with exact example being this video, where he says nothing controversial by anyone's measure, yet look at the comments btw, honestly, there is a lot of NPC in people, just defending their tribe and adopting its values without actually having interest in certain agenda, where in US its maximized since you guys only basically have two parties, with agendas being split seemingly randomly. In my country its exactly the opposite, young people are right wing pro capitalism, and they look down on leftists, which are most likely old people, who are against gay marriage, against marihuana legalization etc. If you were to explain them that Barrack Obama was left wing, youd hear a lot of "wtf"s since he is supposed to be the cool guy, right? Therefore I conclude the labels are arbitrary, and the parties don't actually hold those values, they only see a demography not being under someone's influence, so they declare they have those values now to get votes and keep power

[@jakelaurent6]

@@CybernautZero Yeah jackass... Seems to be a whole lot more respectful than you.

[@mikebrophy2583]

@@CybernautZero And what has he said in the past that makes you dislike him. Curious

[@abedfadila9266]

I liked his idea.

[@saradahouseware4024]

We are thinking the same way. I'm a good leader.

[@maxtorres1317]

Love you man

[@Usenabt]

500dislikes+ are from motivational speakers

[@adamlucina]

5 dislikes in 30 seconds, notification squad does not seem to like JP

[@jakobalgeblad6732]

TheExplorer Yikes

[@adamlucina]

@TheExplorer I'm merely stating the fact, not expressing my opinion on the subject :)

[@KeatrithAmakiir]

@@adamlucina Its seems to quite obviously be an expression of opinion though. Since using the term "notification squad" typically refers to people who follow someone for the purpose of disliking or trying to suppress a video. This is not an opinion about JP at all, but intellectual honesty remains important to the rest of us too.

[@adamlucina]

@@KeatrithAmakiir I would argue that term notification squad generaly refers to people that have notifications on for the purpose of watching the video or certain channel as soon as it comes out - their motives can vary. In this case people with notifications on weren't either happy with the content or with the fact that JP is featured on big think again.

[@KeatrithAmakiir]

@@adamlucina Fair enough, I can see how it could have that connotation and I'm just not as familiar with it. Thanks for clarifying.

[@russellramos5453]

Well said as always Dr. Peterson

[@fatted3004]

Jordan Peterson is Legendary.

[@billystudholme1499]

The most misunderstood intellectual of our generation

[@raymeester7883]

Most *misrepresented

[@Gulgathydra]

@@raymeester7883 Can't it be both? I think he's misrepresented because he is deliberately misunderstood. His ideological opponents disagree with him before he speaks, then listen only for things they can disagree with, and find things they can use to misrepresent him. They don't necessarily do this dishonestly. It's like if a farmer went to survey some land, and came back and said the land was unusable because there is a forest there. Then they are asked, 'were there fruit trees there', or 'were the trees softwood or hardwood?' The farmer responds: 'I didn't see any trees, just a big stupid forest.' They don't hear what he's saying, they just disagree and find things they disagree with. Neither context nor content actually matter. This happens on both sides.

[@smithbfs]

"intellectual"

[@raymeester7883]

@@Gulgathydra You can't deliberately "misunderstand" someone.

[@Gulgathydra]

@@raymeester7883 So you're saying I'm too stupid to understand what you said? (That's an example of deliberately misunderstanding and subsequently misrepresenting what you said )

[@CultofThings]

This isn't leadership, this is a guide to TED talks

[@faree38green]

Absolutely love this guy... A living legend

[@Hossam.Abostate]

Brilliant! team Jordan Peterson..

[@Arnould30]

This isn't controversial, people can't just understand the message

[@Arnould30]

He explains management in very sophisticated way, which people confuse for him being controversial

[@jackbarrett3599]

@Zoid13erg -Jordan Peterson -Psuedointellectual k

[@billystudholme1499]

I've seen many comments calling him overrated, or something similar. Haven't seen one person give a logical reason. Tells you a lot.

[@mattd8725]

Would you listen if they did give a logical reason or have you already made up your mind in advance?

[@billystudholme1499]

@@mattd8725 I have my opinions of Peterson but I'd be willing to listen to why people seem to despise him. I've watched dozens of hours of his lectures and interviews, so I have a pretty solid idea of what his views are etc. Just don't get the hate. But I'd be willing to listen

[@mattd8725]

@@billystudholme1499 The first problem is that you appear to buy his line that the people who oppose him simply hate him and that he is a victim of their manipulations and falsehoods. If you can first accept the logical fallacy of this then other dominoes start to tumble.

[@billystudholme1499]

@@mattd8725 buy his line? What are you talking about? It isn't his line. And you still haven't given me a reason.

[@mattd8725]

​@@billystudholme1499 Can't you see that it's not a logical statement in itself that it "tells you a lot" that you cannot see logical arguments against him? What is it supposed to tell us a lot of? That it is not possible to make any logical argument against Peterson? He himself often does not use logical arguments, instead preferring fables and other sorts of story telling. In that case I can sort of agree that logic might not be the best tool as going full vulcan mind grip on children's stories about animals is not always the right approach. Is it supposed to tell us that that people who dislike Peterson are unable to use any sort of structured logic? I suppose that this is what you intended but it does not logically stand up unless you can prove that logic is a tool only used by Peterson supporters or people who have never heard of Peterson. Perhaps the logic is only that you don't see this criticism which might be because they have more collegiate venues to discuss logic in that you are not a part of or because they are suppressed in some way. But that can't be right as it's Peterson and his supporters who are brutally suppressed. The option I offer is that you have problems finding and perceiving arguments based on logic because of your own limitations as an individual. This seems like a more logical option since it doesn't make such sweeping assumptions about large groups of people and can be tested. But since this would not "tell us a lot" about Peterson's critics but only about you it would falsify the logic of your statement. It would focus things back on your personal responsibility which is a very Petersonian position to take.

[@kurtjohansson1265]

I love Jp. This guy helped me big time.

[@FrankDeMarco]

Thank You once again, Jordan!

[@lordkibagami]

Didn't even watch the vid, just here for the comments.

[@lukekulak7165]

this isnt even controversial lmao watch the video

[@OKNOWIMMAD12345678]

There are some people who don't like the way he talks in large loops to make simple points.

[@munchb4snor457]

And he's a hypocrite. A staunch defender of religion who here says structures based on fear and punishment don't work...and literally says being "overlorded" in a hierarchy is not gonna work well.

[@jaieet]

I think what makes the video controversial is the lack of content inside of it. Which is something of a staple of Jordan Peterson.

[@jaieet]

@@neoclassicalsynthesis892 Might it? Well I know what it definitely wasn't - and that's packed full of content. Because JP rarely ever has any content except in the rare circumstances in which he talks about what he is trained to talk about - Story interpretation. :P

[@munchb4snor457]

Aka, tribalism is a terrible thing except when it's my tribe. We've heard this argument by hypocrites and their defenders forever. Now, they argue for its utility rather than its truth. At least they're ceding ground, lol.

[@TheArrangment]

Jordan Peterson explains how leadership works. Interesting.

[@-optimist-2697]

Love it 😀

[@TheRyanthunder]

I dont understand this comment section, are these people disliking what JBP says about leadership or JBP himself?

[@raymeester7883]

They dislike JBP.

[@Shaft0]

Both.

[@andrewv.157]

Whatever he can say, they dislike him. Mr Petterson have a full mall of haters. MSM lovers like

[@solberg7049]

People in the comments: Jp fans 66% Salty harris fanbois 30% Your average feminist 3% Some other people 1%

[@zv8291]

like both of them (j.b.p and Harris) don't understand this shit of ones fans going after the others videos

[@thomassmith-yu8tz]

At 0:28s; why does a destination imply an ethic?

[@tattcemetery7433]

I really like this guy

[@ek5273]

The people jealous of JBP's success have such deliciously bitter comments.

[@bobjenkins4925]

They really are the worst people

[@Bc232klm]

Yeah, couldn't be the dumb shit he says

[@G33KSPALACEdotCOM]

@Dinkelstein Kerman - I don't dislike Peterson, but he says so much nonsense about nothing, that's not being articulate, that's just filler for the sake of filler. My biggest annoyance with Peterson, isn't about what he is(n't) saying, it's the fact that I've rarely seen him just flat out say "I know nothing about that subject", no matter how weak his position is, he tries to assert himself as an expert on many subjects far outside his field of expertise and it's clear that he doen't have much footing in those discussions. This isn't just a problem with Peterson, it's a problem with many academics, I have far more respect for academics who dare say "I don't know" than someone who comes up with a longwinded argument with dubious credibility.

[@G33KSPALACEdotCOM]

@Dinkelstein Kerman - Well I have one such example, I can't quite put my finger on which debate it was, I think it may have been his debate with Sam Harris in Vancouver., he said something akin to old religious teachings and stories having influenced our biological evolution through a collective unconscious, which to any evolutionary biologist is a bunch of pseudoscientific hogwash, because that's not how evolution works. I find his approach paticularly lacking when it comes to religion and evolution, it isn't grounded in science, at least not in evolutionary science, when religion and biology overlaps that's one area where I get the distinct impression that Peterson lacks fundamental understandings of how those processes work.

[@paddleduck5328]

Jealous 😆

[@Ruairoquai]

Just note that the people deriding Peterson in this comment section don't actually go into detail about why he is wrong here, they just call him over-rated, call him a pseudo-intellectual etc. Isn't it interesting how they have nothing of substance to say?

[@raymeester7883]

I'll take 500 for how do you spot idiots.

[@mrga660]

Good textbook talk

[@carlbyronrodgers]

Clear.

[@Scentless]

This is revolutionary for people who never imagined cleaning your room would be beneficial. Funny.

[@aza4444]

That's kinda why I don't like JP... nothing I've ever heard him say or read of his has ever been particularly new or interesting, and I haven't read basic self help books or anything of the sort. I've read a lot of comments saying 'yeah, this is basic stuff based on X', and I'm inclined to think they're right, but people just jerk themselves off to him like he's the second coming. I think one of my favourite bits of wisdom from him is that it's pointless to compare pain, or struggles, it's just a pointless game to play which, btw is something he does a lot when 'destroying' feminists. But like I said it's just a basic tidbit of wisdom. I think he's not even close to as smart as he thinks he is. Good on him for making a career being an internet psychologist though, there are waaaaay worse pseudo intellectuals people idolise for god only knows what reason.

[@PoofyKittyPants]

Don't put more effort into a response to a troll than the troll itself.

[@kenc522]

Acknowledging that this is very difficult rounds off the argument nicely. My experience of some forty years in various organisations tells me that an awful lot of people in positions of leadership haven't thought deeply about it at all. It's just another rung on the corporate ladder, an opportunity to have a go, a chance to get a nice badge. Which is a shame.

[@darkdestiny3700]

Man I'm finding Peterson everywhere

[@jacobockman709]

The word salad of the JP boils down to. If you are a leader you know the end goal and are able to communicate that and then also get people to want to work for you voluntarily, but motivating people is BS so don't do that. Which having read a couple leadership books this is like in the first chapter.

[@erosion2205]

The cringe salad of this comment boils down to. "Jordan peterson synopsis" I read books

[@solberg7049]

People who say jbp is a word salad don't understand words. Simple.

[@LWayneMathison]

So you are saying that you don't understand words. LOL

[@ScubzMcTalBowling]

@@solberg7049 No, we are saying that he uses a lot of unnecessary fluff words instead of getting straight to the point in order to make himself sound more intelligent than he actually is.

[@Ebb0Productions]

​@@ScubzMcTalBowling No that's just how he speaks.

[@joelhellstrom6640]

All Jordan Peterson haters never bring arguments. Maybe thats because those haters are unable to fight his arguments with reason and logic. Its easier to just call someone names, when one doesnt have much between his/her ears.

[@MisterBrimm]

There is plenty of footage online where you can hear Peterson contradict his own ideas and also question his own ideas when interviewers ask certain questions. There is no better man to argue against his own nebulous ideology than Peterson.

[@howtheworldworks3]

All JP fans never bring arguments. Maybe that's because those fans are unable to understand that many of his arguments are word salad that has nothing to do with the real world or reason and logic. It's easier to just call someone a hater and never thing about the fact that some people might have a point in hating and calling out a charlatan who wants to come out as deep and intellectual. JP is full of shit and morons like you either can't or just refuse to understand why. It's easy to call others morons when you are a moron yourself. The hard thing is actually realizing that this guy has been poisoning the intellectual arena for a while now and people who actually have a fucking brain are sick of his shit.

[@joelhellstrom6640]

@@howtheworldworks3 I have no problem understanding what you people call his "word salad". Peterson is very careful with his words. Linguistic nuances focus the meaning when talking about difficult subjects. Funny how your emotionally spilled answer is just proving my previous point.

[@joelhellstrom6640]

@@MisterBrimm Mark of an intellectual is that his mind is constantly searching for truth. Jordan has ideas but he is not an ideolog, since he is constantly refining his opinion about matters. Ideologs have their minds set in stone.

[@EdgeRatedR007]

That’s because you only frequent JP circlejerks and safe spaces instead of actual debates. He has a myriad of controversial arguments that cannot be summed up in a KZbin comment. One of them is the fact that the said that women are the cause of our wages today being cut in half because they entered the workforce in the 70s. This has been proven false but his incel cultists believe it as dogma and it fuels their hatred of anything women related. At the end of the day this is a man that is raking over 10 grand a month on Patreon from these young males so, of course, he will say anything to cater to them.

[@flowerofash4439]

"we are on the same boat" "we are in this together"

[@Bonjour612]

oh yeah I forgot how left wing big thinks audience was lol

[@kyled1673]

I honestly thought they were more centrist but oh well lol

[@joeschmoe6492]

Lol these people are retarded: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZ3QcmtresR6qqs

[@chadballsac]

How does this apply to the McDonald's worker? Or the sweatshop worker? How are the leaders supposed to engage people when they're there to exploit them as much as possible?

[@shanequigley7552]

Genius

[@SummumBonum.]

Exupery (1900-1944) who wrote: “if you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea.”

[@em9214]

He said idiot and offended all safe space people

[@TheForeignCreature]

This like/dislike autism literally happens every time a feminist uploads a video on Big Think too. Now that daddy JP is getting dislikes people suddenly cry about lmaoooo

[@ccorsen6467]

Yeah. But the people actually present arguments against third wave feminism

[@TheForeignCreature]

@@ccorsen6467 arguments in KZbin comment sections lmao ok dude. I can just start spewing random shit too and it would pass as a debate. This isn't really the place you should be looking for a discussion. No YT comment section is.

[@ccorsen6467]

@@TheForeignCreature Yeah you are right. But third wave feminism is usually disproved by arguments just because people are tired of it. But yeah, most debates on YTB are fucking nuts, with to right sides.

[@user-ep2vc9ll7p]

who has inspired you or has a similar way of thinking as you on this topic i would like to futher expand my understanding

[@theknight4317]

The problem with the Totalitarian leadership is that if people at certain moment, understand that their is no punishment or will no longer be afraid of punishment, then the Leadership is gone.

[@ryat66]

Oh boy, the next Tony Robbins in the making...

[@raymeester7883]

Wrong. His ideas have very different foundations.

[@CarolineLamarche]

That's not NLP, he is into personalities

[@himomimfamous]

Except he’s got 20+ decades of clinical experience, a PhD, and is arguably the intellectual macho-man of this era

[@Zajcooo]

inb4 triggered far-left

[@Zajcooo]

Did you just assume my gender you bigot?

[@jaieet]

@@Zajcooo #GamersRiseUp!

[@mazklassa9338]

Here's a question: how does a person who's position in the workplace is beneath that of their superior(s) deal with an over-assertive, bordering on arrogant team leader who acts precisely as an overlord towards others below them and ultimately assumes his fellow employees (although of "lower" status) will stay and work for free after or towards the end of their shift and not get paid, especially if the person being hustled is not on a salary but hourly rate?

[@edgeofthought]

I would pay big money to see Dr Peterson and Brian Tracy run a joint conference.

[@BawsMode]

JBPeterson overdose.

[@squilliamfancyson5887]

"OmG So mANy DisLiKeS AnD YoU DiDnT EvEn WatCH ThE VidEo" As is the case when a video by a feminist gets uploaded to the channel, stop crying, Richard.

[@ek5273]

You can criticize both. There was a case when a priest did a video and atheist neckbeards immediately downvoted it even though the video had nothing to do with religion.

[@326vincent]

Terrible comment

[@solberg7049]

Stupido

[@Viriyascybin]

Who the fuck are you even addressing??

[@moosjer]

I have one remark. Some people are surviving due to past trauma or circumstances. If you are surviving, there's no big life plan, there's just surviving. I've been in that situation and my job to me was just about being able to pay my bills, buy food and staying alive.

[@stivivangadio7712]

He forgot to hit the point where good vs evil on this Earth will always win ALL of its majority profit fight no matter what your kind or not so kind intentions in this world where you created that game in the first place. How are we ALL not suppose to know but capture your true intent just by looking and following your leadership?