Jordan Peterson’s Thoughts on Andrew Tate

[@antoniomccoy3968]

I really respect Dr. Peterson as a wordsmith. I love the fact that he thinks a lot before he speaks.

[@snafees7]

unlike Andrew....he speaks like a reaction

[@gengremspring4553]

Jp doesn't degrade or disregard Tate. Goes for truth to understand where he's coming from, then carries on. Peterson knows ppl... listen and find out..even with bits and pieces that have yet to form in someone's mind. He probably feels deeply for Tate...but may take issue with Tates 'reasons', because that's who JP is. Empathic and Understanding...(any of you oppose this, why?) I don't however, believe that JP supports Tates 'way'.. People that live Andrew Tate and the like, could at least have an open mind and listen w/o judgment. Although 'certain things 'felonies' can be 'forgiven', wtf, do WE, OR as an individual find ourselves?? Swayed by the BS MEAT--(normally JP wouldn't touch)--OR??! BRIGHT LIGHT!!! Can, and will YOU, research some of this chaos on your own?? Sucks.. Yep. Ya know what? Especially in US...shiz sinking quick. Soooooo many distractions..hmmm.why, I ask? Welp... Look at candidates for 2024. Please, if anything, focus on circus from facts in that regard. DONE.

[@zamorakxe]

​@@gengremspring4553 like a good therapist would.

[@petrospetrospetrospetros]

You love the fact his is scared to get cancelled i respect that.....but i dont like it.

[@MaciejuCz]

He's a wordsmith in using nebulous terms and saying nothing specific.

[@curiousing]

This was very well phrased. I can't imagine JP thinks highly of Andrew Tate. They appeal to the same crowd, but JP is on a far higher spiritual and moral plane than Tate. Despite all Tate's empty rhetoric about religion and morality, his values are clearly money, power, and women.

[@SarahHorne1]

Absolutely! 💯

[@average.yt.commenter609]

It´s insane to see the amount of people who are fans of both. I can understand it to some degree, they really do appeal to the same kind of audience, mostly disaffected young men. But the clear difference in views regarding women and materialism, it´s astonishing that someone could listen to both JP and Tate

[@tonyboxe89]

@@average.yt.commenter609 don't undervalue the contact points between them. Essentially they criticize the gynocentric and nazifeminist tendency of our society. In different ways and form, but, they are so similar when they remark the social roles differences among gender.

[@average.yt.commenter609]

@@tonyboxe89 that's like all of the right wing bro and now even left wing coming to their senses

[@Radicalidiot-c8m]

Age is a big factor in this

[@devod123]

What an incredibly balanced and humble response. He is a master at responding proportionately. He doesn’t participate in wholesale condemnation. That’s refreshing in an era that’s characterized by reflexive hyperbolic responses to anyone who captures the public consciousness in today’s world.

[@lucasblomgren1975]

@@DZE457 lol he literally called him a pimp

[@Rollerbear712]

@@lucasblomgren1975 exactly the reason why I disagree with OP's first point. Andrew Tate fits the latter (far more admirable than most) and I think Peterson's view here is that he mostly thinks negatively of his character. This is the precisely why I like his response. I don't think he's roasting him but I don't think he's being humble and balanced either; simply sticking to an analysis objectively as he can.

[@Hydra-V]

​@@Rollerbear712 He made it all about the person and not the phenomenon. The phenomenon is boys and men homing in on the perceived beacon of the masculine ideal and being inspired to better themselves in lieu of societal prejudices and superficiality; in lieu of the mass feminization of men. The person, Tate, is evolving. The phenomenon is already well established as a net positive (by a considerable margin). Peterson is likely taking into consideration that he approached Tate via his daughter and there resulted only a relatively minor, embarrassing, social media pop, negative towards the daughter.

[@shlongbongchewy]

​@@Hydra-V he literally spoke about the phenomenon and how forthright masculine aggression is being perceived by young men as better than cringing defeat. Which is true

[@Hydra-V]

@@shlongbongchewy Most of his words were about Tate, the person, and how the objective perception about Tate goes, in light of the media "presentations". That's what he answered with.

[@avivastudios2311]

"I am not a great admirer of pimps." This man is a gem.

[@DarkKing-z6b]

Do women like pimps ?

[@mugnuz]

Yes and no. Some stances are weird especially his religious ones dont make sense

[@tonys4986]

He doesn't know too much about Tate, yet he judges him to be a pimp. Not nice!

[@mugnuz]

@@tonys4986 good he is/was in jail for that...and trafficking women...lol

[@hodaya6244]

@@tonys4986Tate confessed on camera 😂stop being a dog that follows the master and think for yourself.

[@Yorha2B-pm5in]

I'm flabbergasted by how many people completely fail to see that Peterson and Tate have very little in common. That's especially self evident in their outlook on the world, society, people and life.

[@cattysplat]

It's tarring everyone with the same brush who doesn't fall in step with the narrative. Question the narrative and you will be equated to the worst of humankind.

[@skumflum7511]

Yes, 100% agree!

[@DoblajesDeJordanPeterson]

Peterson preaches a message of fixing yourself so you can help out the world. Tate preaches self-centeredness.

[@israelc.8586]

⁠@@DoblajesDeJordanPetersonnot entirely correct. Tate talks heavily about having a strong brotherhood and being a provider. The main difference between both is Gates Tate’s view on promiscuity.

[@Ruth-os4mi]

They have one thing in common : Mikhaila.

[@filmerwolf117]

It's crazy that people put these two people in the same category of what their true intention is..

[@tamzzy10565]

What do you mean by that precisely¿

[@skeelatheskink8724]

Yes. Jordan Peterson is a great role model, Tate is not.

[@unanielson8837]

You need to listen to both in full form to understand why. Many principles align, whether you like his style or not.

[@CH-tv1cy]

​@@skeelatheskink8724tate is a better role model

[@AtomFA]

@@CH-tv1cy u run any catfish scams lately

[@mastick5106]

It's so refreshing to hear someone admit that they don't know much about a subject or a person, and reserve judgment explicitly because of that. I also find it affirming, as I've gotten a lot of heat and argument over the years for insisting on the right to not give an opinion if I don't feel I have enough information to have an informed opinion.

[@vulturereveal]

If only more people did that. I always admit it if I don’t know much about a subject. There are 2 things to that: It’s more intelligent to do so AND you won’t look like a complete fool if you end up being wrong.

[@jamesrawlings5781]

I'm not personally convinced that he doesn't know much about him. He tends to seem, or at least used to seem, very au fait with issues regarding deplatforming high profile people, censorship, masculinity issues, etc etc. I'm still open to the idea, but I'm also open to the idea that he's not a massive fan but would rather not alienate the element of his viewership that overlaps with Tate's.

[@jpotts18]

@mastick5106 that's probably because you associated with idiots.

[@toxicwaste9908]

He said that yes, but then he compares him to a violent rapper. The hypocrisy...

[@TheLozeszkur]

@@jamesrawlings5781 Too bad peterson is scared of saying something good about Tate. They fucking say the same things, they agree on almost everything. Tate seems like the most diligent student of Peterson. But he cant admit that and pretends that he doesn't know him. Lame...

[@crazypolite]

"A forthright aggression is a preferable alternative to a cringing defeat." ... what an articulation. It describes many people who just can't handle being told they're wrong sometimes and/or the majority of the time

[@theholepicture]

"told they're wrong" you say. Never heard of the guy today, watched the tucker interview. the clear message I heard was ' people that don't want to be told what to do, how they must comply, conform, obey. Some like freedom others prefer the comfort of complying. Now is he is in the Video sex business that craps all over the morality he professes on Tucker that makes him a hypocrite. That said, I can't disagree with his conclusions about self image, motivating, the truth of human nature, the truths of Alpha Beta of cultures. It is good to be strong and weak to be weak.

[@crazypolite]

@theholepicture Alpha's are self conscious, weak characters. Betas are just pussies. It's best to be the sigma who will stand up to alpha bullies like Tate to protect the beta group. Tate fans are the guys who bend their knees from fear rather than standing up for what's right and being aggressive only when absolutely necessary.

[@Inadharion]

​@@theholepicture Not too sure what your message was here. My takeaway from both JP and @crazypolite, though, is that a person that is unwilling to admit to fault SOME of the time will end up being wrong ALL of the time. They get stuck in a position where they're both unable and unwilling to learn from mistakes. Not even wolves has alphas. They have breeding couples. Read up on mammalian social structures and just give that "alpha" myth a rest. Even in the animal kingdom, a pariah ("lone wolf" if you will) is doomed to fail. Alone and afraid. "Weak" as you say.

[@theholepicture]

@@Inadharion In the presentation, Tate advocated for a lot of good, didn't reveal any of the bad, getting people off their ass is good, both are motivational speakers. But as I say I know nothing about Tate that what I saw and briefly googled. Wolves, you may be wrong, I am a wildlife photographer and wildlife safari guide in Yellowstone. Head of the pack is the Alpha male but his mate is the Alpha female. The female submits until the male gets to old then she finds another. Peterson and Tate are both Alpha's, I thought I was until a recent self study to fine out I was Omega. The Lone wolf, that neither want to dominate or be ruled. Disperser wolves the three year old when the leave home are lone wolves tell the find another loner of the opposite sex the the try to start their own pack. The old Alpha that has been rejected by a younger female alpha also is a lone wolf and they don't last long for all the reasons you said. That said, some except a lesser beta role in the pack. About 80% percent of are population are beta sheep, Because of devices it is getting worse people letting themselves go, Tate explains why sloppy life breeds low self esteem, fitness teacher have been teaching this for ages. Sadly today there is a fat advocy growing. Don't mis-read me, I'm one of that fat ones that wished I would have listened to the fitness gurus. Get rid of you loser friends Tate professes, I read that in every making money book and it works. So true. best thing I ever did was leaving my group of hippy friends in 1973.

[@trg20]

Your statement is true to the point. Anyhow, Andrew tate is this person who do the sort of multiplying his gathering. What he does is convince needy people or people that needs affirmation to pay him then he's got a team who deals the social media thing. And pay dividends to those who subscribed/believes his empty viewpoints. They bank on gullibility. Which is typical.

[@STLFentonmom]

Jordan is not only a brilliant man,he is also a true gentleman. Such a great example for boys and young men throughout the world.

[@endpc5166]

But not Tate from whom Jordan should dissuade b𝜊ys & young m𝜖n more.

[@STLFentonmom]

I agree 💯 End PC

[@marwar819]

@@endpc5166 Glad you said so.

[@tanyanuhi2750]

he would be great if he didn't despise muslims

[@owotuna7395]

A big improvement as an example than Tate for the new generation at the very least

[@Ymirson999]

I like hearing Dr. Peterson speak. His calm in the face of smug activists (I mean journalists) is always a lesson in self-control.

[@memph1630]

Haha smug activists

[@normanmccollum6082]

@@memph1630 Not much other kind when it comes to leftists. Virtue-signallers, the lot of them. Useless layabouts who like to 'say the correct things' and 'post the correct crap on social media' for people to praise their emptiness for being an 'ally.' Because that's worthy in and of itself of praise... which is... kinda pathetic. I'm something of an activist for free speech, I suppose. I speak my mind, virtually no matter what, even to my detriment. Can't tell you how many Discord servers I've been banned from JUST for saying conservative/right-wing things like "I'm not pro-LGBT" or "I love guns" or "Canadians and Brits can't legally carry pepper spray, so Canada and the UK cherish the lives of their people less than America does." I need to get the fuck out of Canada and get my ass to America where I can have freedom and guns and guns and liberty and guns and free speech and guns... and LOTS of ammo... and more guns... Because FUCK being a disarmed 'subject.' I want to be a free CITIZEN with a gun on my hip anytime I'm out and about. Fuck anyone who says that's wrong. They can be a disarmed cuck ALL THEY WANT, cuck it up pathetically all day long, virtue-signal about being a nutless cuck who wouldn't know how to properly use a gun to literally save their life... imma go where I have the choice NOT to be a pathetic, disarmed, nutless cuck. Because I am SICK of being a FUCKING CANADIAN! I want a FUCKING GUN on my hip less than twelve inches away from my NUTS because damn it my NUTS and my LIFE are worth protecting with GUN, and if using GUN doesn't ensure I am kept safe from cultural enrichment, then I simply need MORE GUN. If any Dindu breaks into my fucking home when I move to America... then Dindu is gonna get a whole lot of extra ventilation. Better than I have an expensive cleaning bill than to let some criminal Democrat-voting THUG walk out of MY home with so much as a toothpick, Q-tip, or a single 'regular' ripple-style potato chip. Because FUCK that shit, Dindu tyrants who think they can break into people's homes and steal from/attack law-abiding citizens can water that tree that seems long overdue... and there will be one less anti-American vote in the process, potentially. It's win/fucking/win. I support self-defense and 'castle doctrine' laws with every damn FIBER of my being, and will learn the law well to get an idea of how I can do maximum blasting with minimal risk of lawful prosecution/persecution. Having old wooden-stocked firearms instead of of polymer-stocked can do a world of good when a firearm used in self-defense is lifted up in court. Big difference between a tricked-out AR-15 that looks like it could have been in the hands of a US Soldier in the Middle East in 2012 or so, and a freakin' 60+ year old pump-action Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 or Maverick 88 that my grandpappy might have used to put some deer or moose on the table for my parents and aunts and uncles. Leterally, Paul Harrel, has a VERY old wooden-stocked and wooden--pumped pump-action shotgun, maybe even an M1897 or an Ithaca, and thus he looks less like a retired Veteran of the US Military trained to be an 'assassin' as some piece-of-shit lawyers like to paint Veterans as, especially in divorce court against their bitch gold-digger wife who might be in the process of trying to poison the kids against their father who was absent for so long AT WAR... and more like a 50-odd or 60-odd year old man who was victimized by some young thug and had to resort to HIS father's or grandpappy's boomstick to protect himself. It shouldn't make a fucking difference, not one damn bit, it's IDIOTIC... but sadly... as Paul himself reports, such BS can indeed make a difference... So act accordingly when unexpectedly-visited at night, loudly, by possible Democrat-voters. And uh... aim true, patriots. Like Kyle Rittenhouse... aim true... God bless that boy. He's of similar stock as those who fought for freedom and independence from the British 145 years ago, on my life I believe this to be true, Kyle Rittenhouse is the type of good American boy that the Founding Fathers founded America for, and same goes for any other pro-gun man or woman of ANY race who loves freedom and America and are willing to step into harm's way to protect her, his home, his land, his country... where he was fully within his rights to have that AR-15 that night. Because America is the greatest fucking nation on the planet, a nation I NEED to get to and leave Canada in the dust, and fuck any stupid anti-American commie cock-sucker who says otherwise. Fucking wrong, simple as, if you're in America then GET THE FUCK OUT at your earliest convenience. Thank you and fuck off, ALL anti-Americans, including myself 8 years ago. FUCK OFF AND STAY OUT OF AMERICA! It's a land made for people like ME, freedom-lovers, PATRIOTS who believe freedom is WORTH MORE THAN ONE'S OWN DAMN LIFE! America is worth fighting and dying for, because freedom is worth fighting and dying for... and SOME causes I see in the world today are worth fighting AGAINST... at times, by any damn means necessary. The left like to be the only damn ones who say those words... keep pushing and there'll be a whole lot of patriots who will see no other recourse, for the good of their nation, and the more time goes by, the more I see it as good and righteous and EXACTLY what the Founding Fathers would be telling American Patriots right now if they knew what the Democrats have been doing for DECADES, those commie anti-American racist pieces of garbage UNWORTHY of the American soil beneath their stinking socialist feet.

[@mato2677]

He actually does lose it a bit a fair few times, but that makes me respect him more because he acknowledges it and says hes always trying to be concious of his anger and always trying to be better.

[@_Glory_to_God]

Underrated coment

[@codingchallenges]

This seems to be a question from the audience as the interviewer read it from the phone.

[@Braekker19]

It seems to me that both Jordan and Andrew share a unique message that is attractive to young men- though I dislike making the comparison between the two simply because they are so different in their values & personal character. Both of them emphasize the importance of responsibility, hard work, and getting your life in order. However, the conclusions that Jordan and Andrew present are wildly different. Tate’s message is money, influence, sex- the sigma male icon. Jordan, on the other hand, emphasizes the importance of pursuing what is meaningful in life and pursuing the highest possible good/truth.

[@Lit_Papi]

Well put

[@Joseph-C]

The fact is that young men are so completely and utterly starved for this message that Dr. Peterson himself cannot deliver it to everyone who needs to hear it. There are so many young men who simply just view themselves as incompatible with Dr. Peterson's teachings and thus go through life without a fatherly figure telling them to get their act together. People like the Tate brothers serve as an alternative to the wisdom of Dr. Peterson. They are like big brothers who have everything you want to achieve, and their guidance may rough you up a little but it certainly is better than surrendering to becoming a helpless loser. Chances are if you find success following the Tate brothers you will eventually wisen up to the teachings of Dr. Peterson and ancient literature through sheer life experience.

[@rlh12345]

It’s not only the message. It’s the scamming that Andrew rate is performing. He is taking advantage of desperate men to make his own money. I disagree with Peterson on quite a few things but I believe he has good intentions that aren’t purely self serving.

[@johnbagewll2321]

Of which is not as fleeting as the previous. Also spiritually bankrupt at the end of your life.

[@JoshOB21]

Perfect assessment..

[@williampaul8556]

I always love how Peterson is thoughtful, careful and works very hard at being accurate. Really respect and value with. I wish I were better at it. What a great mind he has. Rich in knowledge.

[@janhenrik4170]

careful because he doesnt want to say he likes him which is the truth because hed lose the less idiotic right wingers but also doesnt want to condemn him and make his base of terminally online losers leave.

[@johnkolinoff8591]

I agree.

[@Clap4TheMoment]

A Forthright aggression is a preferable alternative to a cringing defeat

[@redtobertshateshandles]

I disagree. My ex workmate turned that into a Cringing aggression. Some people are beyond help.

[@quincylee2276]

Walking away is perhaps the most beneficial solution. Anger is an interruption to joy & serenity, and trying to be virtuous in a society that opposes the truth can be extremely frustrating.

[@icanaja8192]

​@@quincylee2276 if all people r like u then biden could reign forever 😳😨

[@andrewvatavu2155]

@@redtobertshateshandles Hahaha sorry but I chuckled at "cringing aggression". yes I see what you mean, although I do agree with JPs statement

[@perpetuallearner8257]

@@quincylee2276 stoics 🙋🏻‍♂️

[@JiraiyaSama86]

JBP exercising caution as usual. That's one thing I appreciate about him.

[@CAkidTalks]

Tate slept with Tammy Peterson that’s why

[@skdfdjkdfjkd]

@@CAkidTalks Mikhaila you mean 😄

[@CAkidTalks]

@@skdfdjkdfjkd Jordan doesn’t care as much about mick and Tate. Mick has had some bad habits in her life so Jordan is desensitized.

[@freesk8]

And yet Peterson does have the guts to say he does not respect how Tate made his money. He could have been more cautious about this, but chose to be brave.

[@Dhavroch]

Except when he’s on Twitter

[@sams8502]

JP is a philosopher, Tate is a persona Edit: Hustler’s University out in full force, imagine one of your sisters or moms being a Cam girl for Tate. Is he really your role model?

[@m.m.1934]

JP tooks pills, Tate did push-ups

[@ennenrasmoke2963]

Peterson is not a philosopher, he is confused.

[@nativetube]

Tate is furious, aggressive version of Jordan Peterson

[@nativetube]

​@@ennenrasmoke2963 both are intellectual to a certain degree 😊

[@hoppeananc]

​@@nativetube Andrew Tate is not an intellectual he is a good speaker. At least not an intellectual in the academic sense.

[@Akathisic]

Peterson called Andrew Tate a pimp and a weak idiot in the nicest way and he is absolutely right. What a soft spoken hard hitting legend this man is.

[@BWater-yq3jx]

All the while dressed like a pimp himself. 😆

[@adijackson6455]

andrew aint none tho

[@Jackbangers]

Tate is far from being an idiot. He's had a crazy life. I'd say JP is more humble and has that wisdom. Tate is the loud voice for us young guys and the ones who truly understand tate arent out to do anything bad in life

[@bilalhadrous6829]

He didn't say that

[@chrisoneill6727]

A n eastern fellow once said re young viewers. When you meet a poet show him your poetry. When you meet a swordsman show him your sword But don't show your poetry. And the poet too dont show him Ur sword.. A quote young man is impressionable and . Jordan is sincere to care for the young and is well versed in human nature. Also dangerous he must be the government is trying to stop him. He must be on track then. Ling Oflaherty

[@elhannesia]

Journalists, reporters and presenters take note. This is a correct, fair and eloquently presented observation or commentary on the increase of popularity and admiration for Andrew Tate around the world. Today’s media needs to learn how to have more reservations, self-respect, self-control and discipline while making commentaries on today’s issues, so that the truth itself will appeal to the audience.

[@nicolespiteri6273]

Well said!!!!!

[@saschaa4888]

He was not being fair but maybe that serves him right now hehe

[@bamspay]

@@TheMan-it7px Andrew Tate admitted to using the girls to defraud lonely men out of their money. While the girls were on camera Tate would pretend to be them and talk the men into sending money. Always promising that the man would one day get to be with the girls. TBF Andrew Tate was very much like a Pimp only he never actually let the men get with the girls.

[@orangeorangeness2116]

@@TheMan-it7px Exactly. It’s evident that some people only hear what they wanna hear because the mere fact of destroying the illusion of the grand savior for them male-ego population is saddening and disappointing.

[@kevinkelly2162]

Today's media sells lies because they know people prefer lies.Nobody really believes Trump beat Biden, they just like lies.

[@redsand848evo]

I think he landed Tate spot on, and was very respectful in how he managed his words.

[@Snackot]

Yes

[@christiantaylor1495]

He didn't. He ignored the 21 million dollars a year to feed children on wartorn countries, and his 41 Tenets of Tateism. Tate is a Jordan Peterson fan himself.

[@clairetemplar9370]

That was a very measured reply indeed. As much was said by not saying as was said with words.

[@G4RY1159]

Lots of people are tiptoeing across eggs in today's world as an element of caution, the smartphone provided that coupled with social media.

[@Ruth-os4mi]

Eggshells because his daughter flew out to Romania for a 'business meeting'.

[@MotivatingVision]

You're probably scrolling through the comments, like I am. If you are reading this at night, you should get some sleep, and don't stress about everything going on in the world. The worst thing you can ever do to yourself is believing things can't get better! Where focus goes energy flows, you only get one shot at this Life. Do whatever makes you happy, not what makes other people happy. Be consistent in upgrading your personal skills!

[@ihopness1668]

Thanks

[@goldman1996]

That's really not relevant to the video.

[@potatochicko]

​@@goldman1996 And that's fine.

[@danethenice]

Good message. Just to add to this, if you're reading this while laying in the morning like me, it's probably best to get up and start the day. Even if it's a lazy sunday morning, I know I would be happier if I get up right now, take a shower, eat some breakfast and get outside. Being mindful of digital entertainment usage is good. Relying on digital entertainment to feel ok is not healthy.

[@muhammadahmed8357]

I respect your comment but pls don't take this reply SERIOUSLY its just my opinion all right!!, I totally acknowledge your first 3 points about not stressing at all, remain calm all the time and be positive however, i would like to object on last point which says do what makes you happy, in my opinion and strictly in my opinion this idea is flawed because it kind of promotes procrastination, if someone is lazy, playing video games or wasting his time over useless things from which he gets this happiness, isn't it similar to addiction!?!?, moreover this also contradicts with the philosophy of self development, from my observation on what i have seen, that is the case. To support my view a bit more, i would like to share with you about a certain character which i chanced to read on about. In the Feudal age of Japan, there existed a samurai name Miyamoto Musashi who was considered to be the greatest swordmen in japanese history, such high was his might in that Period, that he was bestowed the title of 'the invincible under the sun'. In one of his writings Musashi told his disciples to be comletely free from all kinds of affections such as love or marring to someone and strictly follow the 'Way of strategy'. P.S. This is an opinion, that is completely free from hate. I am still in the Phase of learing and far from being perfect, if you have any objections i would be more than happy to hear them. Have a Great Day!

[@karmiliaandrade9508]

Jordan is brilliant. He offers a short but honest perspective he has on Tate but does so in a way that doesn’t alienate those who like Tate & rather offers an empathetic view towards the men who do like Tate… it’s brilliant

[@ibrahimnawabi8027]

This doctor is a simp. His perspective about Tate is complete nonsense. Only because he is a doctor, it doesn't mean he knows better. Look at the way talks and smiles. I have seen many of his speeches. He is a nice and simp doctor.

[@12801270able]

Nah, that's just cope. Peterson has tweeted that pimps are the lowest scum of humanity.

[@AndersLiljeblad]

Didn't his daughter date Andrew Tate?

[@dewolf123]

​@@12801270ableWell he's right then

[@RealDealContent-th3do]

Jordans DAUGHTER spent a NIGHT with Tate (Documented Fact, she even made a video defending herself for it haha which was rather strange!) Now, I LOVE Jordan he's a GREAT MAN yet, I feel your PERCEPTION of Tate is WARPED/ PERCEPTION DECEPTION to say the least! Jordan has his reasons for speaking how he's speaking on Tate (Or LACK OF SPEAKING to be more precise) and 1) It's his DAUGHTER spending the NIGHT with Tate And 2) It's because Tate showed FAR MORE BRAVERY and HONOUR (As I HAVE MYSELF THESE PAST THREE YEARS) In regards to speaking out against the the BIO WEAPON 💉 and the SCAM / EVIL PLAN 👿 that was CON VID 19! Ahhhhhhh open thy eyes a little wider would you ..... Thank you! 🍃🙏🍃

[@samleary2733]

Good to see someone that can articulate their perceived pros and cons of someone without absolutes or just putting him in one category or another. Not a lot of nuance these days so it’s good to see it.

[@casualguy393]

We should all try to speak in such a way about every topic or thing.

[@athlonz2007]

@@casualguy393 For to acquire such a skill means you need a lot of different life experiences, maturity too, before the age of 25, I feel most people are still dumb and don't understand how to properly measure pros and cons, lots of young people would think the "teachings" of Andrew Tate is to be a classical "asshole" so as to not be a "loser" or "beta" this is only half of the recipe, you need to respect and understand others people's flaws and not to encourage bullying of others for example. Hopefully I made some sense :)

[@elektrochava]

There is no nuance needed when it comes to Andrew Tate.

[@lavasource1763]

Only a sith deals in absolutes.

[@George_Kush]

​@@elektrochava false dilemma

[@davidfry5595]

I agree Dr. Peterson. He has changed a lot in recent years, and I think you going to Romania to have a long conversation with him would be incredible. Food for thought

[@joeyc1725]

Honestly that would be a brutal interview. Only because they know what's going on but they come from two different points. The Tate bros are on the money, but everytime Jordan Peterson speaks about the narrative they try to attack him, so he makes interviews stringed out in a hour and if you listen to the whole interview. Dr. Peterson will stretch out the truth but you'd have to listen for a hour or two to pick up on it. I noticed Tim pool doing the same thing when he got swatted multiple times. He'd say left wing shite and I'd be like huh what was that. That's how much power these Lefty's and demoncrats have. They'll censor. Tate bros and Peterson speak truth. The agenda doesn't like this at all.

[@scootergrant8683]

It would be interesting to see how it is done because it would be nice if Andrew softened himself a bit for it in reflection of how Jordan's tone is. I think he is staying quiet and for good reason because he doesn't want to damage anything that could prevent discourse between the two.

[@jacksonaguilar1998]

Tate sitting down with characters like Peterson and Rogan will break the internet. The thought of it already is shaking our network connections. But through time, there's just an obvious line drawn between the three. The internet already belongs to the matrix, airlines, SEOs, mainstream media, google, etc. While the matrix will mostly not allow that to happen, but it's their undeniable nature to make money out of such assembly, hence the delay and hold up on info distribution. On the other hand, Musk is a force to reckon with by the mainstream media and the matrix that could lead the way to make this happen. I can sense a perfectly orchestrated power move from both sides. We've all heard what Tate, Peterson, Rogan and Musk said, but it's them reconfirming their outrageously honest thoughts in the same room that will make a blow, because these gentle don't compete for money nor relevance - a principle the mainstream media and matrix don't and will never have. For now, I think Superman will stay in Metropolis, as to Batman in Gotham, Wonder Woman in the Amazon, and Aquaman in Atlantis until the enemy is big enough.

[@jennitsu12]

I don't think Dr. Peterson would want to be associated with a thug. That's why he limited his response on this interview because with wants no associations with criminals.

[@oye6124]

sure would be something and id be the first to watch it

[@joanofarcxxi]

How I love JP. His answers are so thoughtful and authentic.

[@caiopereira1289]

if you ever have the chance to see JP giving a direct answer - not this bullshit overload of concepts he gives - to a controversial topic, you'll see the fraud he is.

[@Onelightoftheworld]

@KZbin music Stop! Just because you do a thesis on alcoholism doesn’t mean you’re immune to addiction. I’m sure you’re perfect with no addictions.

[@Canto28]

BS, Tate is a Muslim and so JP is afraid. JP would have to take on Islam, which he could, but he's not ready to do it, if ever.

[@stephtimms1776]

He usually shows a great example of not judging rashly, which is very emotionally intelligent as well as intellectually.

[@Canto28]

@@stephtimms1776 He's just afraid here since Tate is a Muslim.

[@tizzleable]

Never avoiding questions. Thinking before speaking and precise to his best knowledge I’m answering. I’m impressed.

[@Beupeu]

Andrew Tate sucks because he thinks women can’t be polygamist. Anyone who knows about multiple lives and the spiritual world recognizes that open relationships are also an option.

[@evanpeartree]

Except he is avoiding the question. He's obviously not a fan of Tate and wants to say it, but he knows their fan bases intersect and doesn't want to risk alienating his fans and losing support/money

[@iknotlkuikatl815]

He took the trap, caressed it, wrapped with colorful bows, loving masculinity and every effort to survive. He understands what there is inside we all men. And he won. "When I don´t have enough information about/ interest in a topic, I'll look for the inherent good a human must have". "If I make a mistake, It'll be within the ethic values".

[@CTOSHLL]

Ain't nobody reading all that bro

[@r0random653]

@@CTOSHLL that's why you're a brokie. the response is actually very intelligent and smart and you should've read it

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

Mind Begs the Question: To support and aid an Apartheid State Righteous,Evil?

[@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633]

@@CTOSHLL That's three lines. You illiterate?

[@MasCuline-xo8yn]

All I heard is I don't wanna get cancelled

[@MrBryan90]

You could see him consulting with himself before responding, just how much he's going to speak on the subject due to social media responding to his response. He's very in tune with the power of his words and how far they could go with what he knows at that point.

[@nesciusplayground]

No, he just can't say much because his daugther slept with Tate

[@MrBryan90]

@@nesciusplayground You think his daughter sleeping with Tate would hold him back? It's not what you say, it's how you say it, and this man is a wordsmith. There's more at stake than some fling with his daughter... they threw the man in jail for three months over an accusation with no concrete evidence. Some battles aren't worth the fight, even if you can win. That my friend is called a pyrrhic victory.

[@I_Rayne_I]

@@nesciusplayground Wait, for real? Is that actually true?

[@MrNoFairy]

@@nesciusplayground So you won't say anything bad about Tate when he sleeps with your mom too. Good to hear.

[@ArthurDayne69]

@MrNoFairy They are true fans. They consider it a blessing.

[@JD-gf5bk]

Love Dr. Peterson! Such a stoic, balanced, and articulate human!

[@danielgarcia-benitez9603]

And your a lovely human.

[@salimelbey6209]

A skinny weak stoic man that cries his eyes out every 2 seconds

[@SAK1855]

Have you seen his direct-to-camera rants about climate change and so on? He's unhinged when the people he doesn't like are on the left (or even center-left). He's gentlemanly when the people he doesn't like are on the right, even if they're human traffickers and rapists.

[@Korosareta]

@@salimelbey6209 Insulting JP online thru an anonymous account is pretty stoic isn't it lol

[@callummckenzie4749]

He is the opposite of stoic lmao

[@luketaylor956]

I'm prepared to take a hit on this and for people to even hate me for this. I've given Andrew Tate a year to get to know him as a man and what he does in his life. The impacts he's made and what he preaches. So many men I know, good men in a time of doubt have looked up to him. Listening to all he says and living the life he thinks a man should live. I tried it and it made me unhappy because I can't be cold to people or to women. I won't pretend to be someone I am not. I'm not looking to be the Alpha in the room or build myself to intimated everyone. Better yourself, of course but not to prove anything to anyone apart from myself. I have seen good, loving and respectful men follow Andrew Tate and once good men, are now cold, cruel and hateful towards anything that isn't in the gospel of Andrew Tate. They don't accept anyone with a different view or let people be who they want to be. Like I said, I tried to live my life like Andrew Tate and I didn't like the person I was becoming. In my humble opinion... Andrew Tate is a weak man and I hope those who follow him will in their time realise that it's more important to be your own man and not what Tate thinks you should be. 💯🦁👊

[@mr.ice_cold]

Same man it's all about u at the end of the day and its only so much u can tell a person but it's up to dem to make the decision based on moralysis

[@chrisdawson1776]

Geek

[@Peacefulpreface6323]

The only people who would knock you for this are people who just don't know you're right yet.

[@awhbr1]

I 100% agree with you. Your comment reminded me of one of my favorite books. Present and Future, by Carl Jung (in my native language, it is called Presente e Futuro. Not sure if this would be the same name in english). In this book, Jung explains how people in his time would have many moral dilemas, problems and insecurities. But, instead of trying to find an awnser to their problems by themselves, they prefer to get statistical and generalized awnsers for their individual problems. This results in a massification where individual opinions are opressed and populist voices, false prophets and other public figures that sell an unique solution to all of our problems arrise. I belive that, although this book is from around 1940, this scenario is still very modern. People like Tate and many other influencers and politicians could be considered one of those "false prophets". Awnsers for individual problems cant be padronized. They must be forged deep inside ourselves and every pearson requires a different awnser that only they can know. Like Sartre once said, you are doomed to be free. And even the act of letting your fate be dictated by a false idol is an individual choice by itself. I don't see Tate as an "enemy" the same qay I wouldn't want to see any populist politician or influencer as an "enemy". If Tate died today, another pearson would simply replace him. They are more the sympthoms of a problem then the problem itself. The real question isn't "how to defeat someone like tate" but "why are people following people like tate? What lacks in their individual lifes? What can we do to motivate those people to find their own awnsers? What are their pains and what are they looking for?". In my opinion, the only way to do that is through love and empathy. Hear what other people have to say. Open your heart and let yourself be impacted by their words and their worlds. Try to desagree with everything. Even yourself. But always on a respectful manner, understanding that, sometimes, there is no such thing as a right or wrong way of doing things. Most important of all: have fun in the process and stop trying to focus on a result. By knowing others, you start to know yourself. And by playing, you start to grow

[@jurassiccinematics5549]

@@chrisdawson1776 proved his point.

[@TobeasJ]

Huge respect for Peterson. Its not often you hear "I do not know enough about this subject to share my opinion about it"

[@nft3]

Oh yeah, first defame a person publicly and then admit your ignorance on the matter. Very respectful indeed.

[@TobeasJ]

​@@nft3 I didn't say Petersson is respectful. I just have respect for him.

[@nft3]

@@TobeasJ Yeah, and I implied that you have a respect for a disrespectful person.

[@187Zaidan]

​@@nft3???

[@TobeasJ]

@@nft3 Okay.

[@mon_avis2978]

_A forthright aggression is a preferable alternative to a cringing defeat._ Fair enough, Dr. I like it.

[@jasondashney]

That was the perfect response. Andrew is someone who is very complicated. He says great thing after great thing and you're thinking "Wow, what a great guy" and then he throws something out there and the record scratches and you're like "Wait....what?!"

[@kurdishengineer5389]

He also said he is a pimp... and no man should look up to a pimp.

[@jasperzanovich2504]

@@jasondashney Ah, a bit like a fascist rally when they suddenly blame a group you belong to.

[@AutomaticDuck300]

@@jasondashney Andrew Tate is a great man but not a good man. He's motivational and promotes masculinity in a world which has gone too far into femininity. He's helping a lot of boys and young men to go out there and be all they can be. The best masculine versions of themselves. That's why he appeals so much to the males of the world who lack any male role models (since they're surrounded by single mothers, female teachers, and an ideology which says masculinity is toxic). However, he is a terrible human being and basically a pimp as JP puts it. Tate represents the extreme other side of the current leftist ideology. And this is what we will unfortunately see. The pendulum is swinging back from extreme left to extreme right. Tate is simply riding the pendulum as it swings back.

[@ecstanton]

​@@AutomaticDuck300you seriously buy into the gobbledygook that the world has become to feminine?

[@pruthvirajshinde9991]

Hes just finished his point and you're sat there wondering how this man manages to walk on such a thin rope so confidently for such a long time. On one side you become the monster that the new feminists spend their life drawing on the social canvas and on the other side you become a spineless mouthpiece for propaganda.... he's a magician, one of a kind and a heck of a role model to look up to

[@artm1973]

I am not entirely sure if you are insulting or complimenting him.

[@pruthvirajshinde9991]

@@artm1973 i am complementing him ..because Andrew Tate is a polarising personality and somehow his way of promoting these " high value men " is not the right one ..but you want men to work to better themselves so dr. Peterson has to distance himself from the person who is exactly what the feminists want to portray to the world as dangerous but support the idea which if pushed to the limits ( like Tate does ) makes him look a right wing extremist. But he manages to put down his point without falling into either of the traps

[@Duffyy1223]

@@artm1973 Exactly what I thought when I was watching the video 💀

[@artm1973]

@@pruthvirajshinde9991 Well put, I agree with you.

[@dennisg4053]

@@artm1973 Definite Compliment!

[@NathanielEnver]

The masculinity of Andrew Tate is the one that destroys itself, imagine a father but with andrew's personality, god forbid...

[@alphagerudo]

Let's hope he gets a vasectomy

[@stringbender3]

Andrew Tate said he wants to have 20 kids 😅

[@twiggy1253]

@@stringbender3he’s on record bragging about having 10 kids that he’s never met

[@Kay-zv3mk]

When you've repressed yourself so much that you're in cringing defeat, it can be difficult to channel that aggression in a way that is righteous. It can have a tendency to get out of control, because it's much easier to give into a chaotic aggression than it is to channel that aggression in an ordered way, which is what Jordan Peterson has seemed to master to the point where it isn't even aggression anymore, its simply speaking the truth unapologetically in a calm and thoughtful manner. Agree with him or not, his way of expression is precise and nigh unmatched.

[@jonathandorozowsky4005]

100%

[@uk.ramone]

​@@maxevans9688 😂 ssabmud uoy grow up, 'kid', and exercise your vocab

[@LionFan-y3h]

Jordan Peterson does and that seems a good enough reason to say it in a comment on his video

[@alteracco2715]

Tate isn't as mature as JP regardless of what they stand for, but to say that tate is chaotically agressive, that's the same prejudice you aim to avoid.

[@TheMrVideoaddict]

​@@maxevans9688lmao ikr

[@johntomson5049]

As always, an excellent answer by Peterson. Cautious and insightful about what he doesn’t know fully and what he does. I wish more ppl would do this than spout some assumption bs and judge surface valur

[@MrParky018]

bollocks....he shit out and is sat on the fence

[@jordanhansen6539]

It has nothing to do with being insightful. We all know what Tates about. JP could easily give an answer he just doesn't because he's scared. He'll get hated on and lose ALOT of his followers and all the Love ESPECIALLY if he says anything negative about Tate and this "good masculine movement"

[@wanderingrandomer]

Anyone in their right mind would condemn Tate as a horrible human being after hearing him speak for 5 minutes

[@Troyphy]

​@@wanderingrandomer That's nice dear. Tell me why I should care who you think is a terrible person

[@neildepressedtyson540]

Simp

[@bellaf9150]

well said dr. Peterson

[@brocklesnar2150]

Lol no! No one is on top’s level

[@Kirakoji]

​​@@brocklesnar2150 alright calm down Lesnar

[@mrgreen3195]

@@brocklesnar2150 another boi who can't control his fire.

[@anacc3257]

@@brocklesnar2150 In jail?

[@RealPalpsTheSenate]

@@brocklesnar2150 Whatever you say, Stan

[@jlovedown]

Tate's approach is what you'd expect from a marketable lifestyle coach. He entices you with his edgy and roguish charm selling you the idea that what he has is attainable if you act like him. Money, fame, and women. But what he doesnt teach you is the responsibility of maintaining that wealth, notoriety and relationships that require a level of emotional maturity to understand and adapt to your partner. There is a reason why alot of rappers and professional athletes fall faster than when they rise to stardom. And Tate knows this and takes advantage of young men's naivete.

[@NJGuy1973]

Remember that Asian guy who did the infomercial with the hot girls in bikinis, and said "You get into real estate, you can live like me?" It wouldn't have worked if he said "you get into real estate, you can make money, but you'll have to maintain the houses."

[@insightfulmind1983]

Listening to Jordan Peterson on any matter is truly captivating and enlightening. His professionalism and depth of knowledge make him an exceptional speaker. Whether he's delving into philosophical concepts or offering insights on contemporary phenomena like the Andrew Tate phenomenon, his approach never fails to engage and stimulate the mind. It's always a privilege to hear his perspectives and learn from his expertise!

[@jhptsdx6275]

Kiss him buddy

[@KingSully1996]

@@jhptsdx6275hahhahahhahaha

[@leimaniax]

Agreed. The boy’s a legend.

[@this_is_luck2943]

Rian Stone: "you have to hate your audience a little bit "

[@dellsbells100]

"...thousands of women..? Only in Andrew Tate's imagination.

[@elizabethnabess3844]

I absolutely love how he articulates his words...especially considering I agree with so much this man says...finally someone speaks the truth ❤

[@lucalucaluca]

he articulates them so much that they become a whole bunch of nothing

[@lloydthesage1164]

@@lucalucaluca true

[@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633]

For you. I'm flabbergasted that he's not shocked by Tate. Tate is an extreme misogynist. Then I sometimes agree with Jordan, but mostly don't.

[@fazzatubez3644]

@@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633 If you think he is a misogynist then your world view is completely different to that of so many good, honest, real men. Women like you are the cause of so much degeneracy in the world because of your crazy views predicated on feminism and ultra secularism. I'm no longer interested in debating people like you, my only word of advice to you is be ready for a war and rally the men that agree with your worldview to defend you way of life because it is coming to an end

[@nft3]

Truth? This was an extremely weak and lacking characterization of Tate. Too bad he didn't mention Tate is also a kickboxing champion, and hundred other things. I'm losing respect for Peterson after this and his ideas of banning anonymity on the net. Peterson behave like a little ignorant bully. At least he admitted his ignorance.

[@alexrodrigues4775]

Andrew Tate's message to young men is similar in some ways to what Jordan Peterson teaches. Both preaches about owning your flaws and improving on them, to become powerful but controled, civilized. The best version of ourselves. But that's as far as their similarities goes.

[@If-Liberty-Means-Anything...]

I think Andrew Tate has a problem of being smug about it all, which gives people the impression he's arrogant and wants to pretend he is always right. Jordan Peterson on the other hand just has a clinical approach towards problems and how he express them. Andrew isn't always wrong on what he says I even have to agree on that, but he just painted himself like Jordan say's, like a violent rapper. But both Andrew and Jordan point out human flaws especially about women which women don't want to hear or acknowledge regardless of being true. I do have to say, that both have become targets by the mainstream for being simply politically incorrect in their wording. They are basically shattering some sort of delusions when it comes to male and female roles in nature, which you aren't allowed to mention for fear of offending or making one or the other feel more superior or inferior.

[@Strive1974]

One is a smug ass, you figure out which one

[@izahrawr1246]

Please don't compare the two.. the fact you even think it's even worth comparing the both

[@If-Liberty-Means-Anything...]

@@izahrawr1246 If you make an analysis of two characters, you have to compare. Simply because you don't like one over the other doesn't mean a person suddenly is in the wrong. Both have been idolized by young men as a way of finding a way in a society that blames men for everything these days. Jordan is self-improvement through being a better man, while Andrews is kinda more the Islamic route. But in general, all men actually want is a Nuclear family style relationship, which has now gone down the drain because women are profiting more from opening their legs to the public.

[@skyfrost8983]

Controlled and civilized Andrew Tate??? Tf have you been smoking 💀

[@Outlier68]

JP is a starter in the all star game. AT is on the bench for the third tier team. The differences between the two are stark. JP wants to help others improve their existence while AT cares only about his own.

[@normandowd123]

He is a voice for real men, young and old , fighting back against all this woke nonsense.

[@nomarxistspls90]

I would agree with that. I don’t agree with tates character particularly. E.g, the pimp stuff and the scamming of his prepubescent followers for “hustlers university”. But his views on current social issues I tend to agree with more often than not.

[@leetster6303]

@@nomarxistspls90 I paid and followed his online course platform. It's called "The Real World" now. For $49, I learned more about business and making money than any real university could possibly teach me. I have ZERO incentive to advertise that platform. The only reason I'm saying this is so that you know you are wrong and it's not a scam by any means.

[@normandowd123]

@@nomarxistspls90 he doesn’t lie about his business like all of these dishonest politicians and tech, pharma companies. Morally wrong to promote the oldest of practices?

[@soulzy3596]

@@nomarxistspls90it’s not a scam and pimping is the oldest proffession next to prostitution.

[@nomarxistspls90]

@@leetster6303 you do understand everything on that platform is extremely accessible and you could teach yourself just by reading books or a quick Google search?🤦🏻‍♂️ He offers nothing of value through that scam. He is not an economist. He is not an accountant. He is not a mathematician, statistician, actuarial, etc.. He IS a glorified pimp and discord mod.

[@johannsebastien]

Sounds like very fair and honest words to me. Respect...

[@hea.rt_strings]

Who are you

[@Boxingcrane]

​@@hea.rt_strings johannsebastien...

[@hea.rt_strings]

@@Boxingcrane and you a pokemon or what?

[@Just_smile89]

@@hea.rt_strings No, he is Mason da boi

[@hea.rt_strings]

@@Just_smile89 ohh but what typa name is 7mAdeNoOo

[@JohnSaber]

He is being himself. I loved the 'Andrew Tate Phenomenon' expression.

[@nft3]

Weak comments from Peterson. Too bad he didn't mention Tate is also a kickboxing champion. I'm losing respect for Peterson after this and his ideas of banning anonymity on the net.

[@krisg822]

@@nft3 is kickboxing champion? when was the last time he competed? exactly. And then there is the fact that Tate escaped his home country bcoz of the law tried to rain justice upon him. Be thankful Jordan did not destroy your TopG, bcoz he easily can.

[@NowioFel]

@@krisg822I can understand Jordan be pissy about Tate using his daughter recreationally and then fly her back to her dad… but why would Jordans fans be salty about it?

[@nft3]

@@krisg822 I don't know if you're just playing dumb or it's real you, but whatever. Peterson can be smart, but can be quite moronic as well, his recent idea of banning anonymity on the net is the best proof.

[@bive4167]

​@@nft3 yeah, losing respect of a bunch of pimp worshipers doesn't say anything bad about it, quite the opposite.

[@MegaBestoffer]

I love this man even more. Being able to look beyone the flashy crap and sees what matters when it comes to tate

[@jamesj9744]

He's not perfect and has bought into charlatans in the past, namely Yeonmi Park--the North Korean defector with a made-up story. But he gets it right more often than not and more often than almost anyone else I listen to or read.

[@moltderenou]

Tate and Peterson are basically saying the say thing but using different styles. The MSM hates both their guts.

[@dashingeduardosuarez]

In his two toned suit 🤣🤣🤣

[@janhenrik4170]

hes just rambling trying to not piss off the fans who dislike Tate but he likes him 100%

[@nathan9523]

Jordan Peterson does not like Andrew Tate, anyone with more than 10 braincells dosen't. The only view he expressed on Tate was negative yet you think Jordan fkn Peterson likes Andrew Tates materialistic shallow look on life... Andrew Tate has said "anyone who opposes freedom of speech is the bad guy" yet his reason for converting to islam was that muslims will violently defend their religion, according to himself Andrew Tate is evil.@@janhenrik4170

[@zacksymes]

Just finished Tate’s 5 hour PBD interview. Never was a fan of his, but I am much more a fan now. Tate does have genuine insights when approached in long form - much more so than I thought beforehand.

[@beerboots]

Yes but he is still a manipulative, narcissistic abuser isn't he? So fuck him. All of his 'good' insights can be obtained elsewhere, without needing to fill the pockets of a pathological, openly misogynistic man who would treat any female you love like expendable trash, given the opportunity to gain something for himself from it. So if you love your daughter, sister, wife, mother, female friends - Don't love the Tate. He is teaching young men to view those people as objects to be conquered and used. He is teaching young men to view other men as enemies rather than as potential allies in pursuit of like-minded values. It creates a disgustingly shallow and fearful culture of narcissism.

[@extern83]

Same here!

[@AbdouHDxGaming]

Yes even he made some of his fortune by webcam girls.... But in Islam the most strict religion in earth, god will clean alll your what you did before.... So now he is my brother in islam and i hope he can go to UAE and keep doing what he is doing because he is helping lot of young men to find their way 👌G💪

[@matejmotuz108]

​@@AbdouHDxGaming great , now I can just kill all my enemies and god will forgive me after I jump to islam , screw religions

[@stelmarsky6778]

@@KZbinmusic-oc2yq Wasn't.. even..aware.. How tf did you come to that conclusion?

[@drenzo434]

They have to do a Podcast together it would be unbelievble

[@AleksandarIvanov69]

Confidence, courage and intelligence are all admirable traits and something men strive for.

[@midnull6009]

But he has none of those attributes. He's a man whore who followed in his dad's footsteps that's also a man whore that left his wife. A lot of men who watch him are incels...

[@joesouthborn2960]

In a nutshell, an overlooked and powerful insight for our times. If elites keep willfully ignoring or even hampering this, the consequences (at the very least social backlash) will be inevitable.

[@MrParky018]

shitting out and sitting on the fence?? that admirable?

[@mastergems5145]

The world is funny in the way that everything is interconnected. We have two men with different personalities. If we view them like two of our uncles, it quite clear which uncle we would favor and spend more time with. One teaches book smarts, restraint, stop and think. The other teaches street smarts, masculinity, react and respecting oneself. This brings me back to my original post. Life interconnection simple involves taking specific parts of two aspects and creating oneself by 'you' deciding who you want to be.

[@guillermoag7722]

The core mesage of both JBP and AT is kind of similar. 1)Tell the truth 2)Be responsible 3)It is not only OK to be a man, It is necessary 4)Life is hard and that is not necessarily a bad thing, that is actually an opportunity to become a kind of superhero. Additionally, they both are constantly attacked by most media.

[@heymanhaha]

Well said and summarized

[@user-lt1jd1ye3v]

Not at all. Andrew says nothing truthful, he is the king of liars.

[@antuan3586]

@@user-lt1jd1ye3van elaboration would be great?

[@Jm20-m]

Dont ever put tate idiot in same breathe as jordan

[@mariekebootsma4346]

​​@@user-lt1jd1ye3vagree with you. What Tate says, to support young boys is said during mankind. Tate is just a parrot. When you watch the Tate video s, and you are a modest and civilized person you see right through this fake Tate person. It s what Mr. Peterson says, it pimp like. Andrew Tate is a pimp, nothing more nothing less. I hope the Romain court will speak justice .

[@mairuzo]

“I’m not a fan of pimps.” - Dr. Jordon B Peterson

[@Gaius_Julius_Caesar_Augustus]

I'm gonna remember that and say it to every "alpha male"

[@sathira_anuk5179]

​@@Gaius_Julius_Caesar_Augustus"OF " women too

[@Assbeaterniggachad]

@@Gaius_Julius_Caesar_Augustus white knights aswell!

[@gregmasters8558]

His daughter certainly is a fan of pimps she slept with Andrew Tate.

[@disciplethepoet]

Obviously a lie considering the 2 tone suit.

[@marcos.2332]

A conversation between JP and Andrew Tate would break the internet

[@chrisdawson1776]

Top G vs ((Juden Peterstein))

[@const2499]

@@chrisdawson1776 It makes me buff with how little you write, yet its brimming with intelacutall hoplessness. You are a pity to the Top G and the movment. Someone like you as far from reality is the part of the movment that portrays us all as idiots like you with uninformed opinions.

[@andrewgus8763]

@@chrisdawson1776​​⁠Top ClA actor vs ((Juden Peterstein))

[@kennethguitarfiend4493]

That’ll be amazing to see

[@bubblegumgo]

JP would dismantle Andrew in like 3 sentences.

[@CallumFyles]

i really appreciate the way that DR Peterson talks about this situation. He doesn't Alienate those who like and agree with Andrew but states that he doesn't admire him. i believe this was a very good way to go about things as they both gather a similar audience that largely cross over between each other.

[@ritchski1]

Glad he pointed out that Tate appears morally questionable without trashing him completely. The fact is Tate has a big following, the reason for that is interesting and Jordan’s point here makes great sense. Almost the destroy of be destroyed at attitude when it’s not really needed, the guys that follow Tate are so intense. Tate could do a lot of good here, who knows maybe he will…

[@goaty1964]

"Tate could do a lot of good here.." - provided he doesn't get found guilty of rape and forming a criminal organisation

[@dreadtrain2846]

He's a rapist and pimp, wtf are you talking about?

[@ritchski1]

@@goaty1964 yeah that’s kind of what I mean, he has the power to do good for these people, but likely won’t. I’m holding judgement until the full process has taken place but doesn’t look good

[@unknownforever4745]

@@ritchski1 bro he literally tells people to focus on themselves ....defeat depression...hit gym...make money....provide and protect for women....be thankful and take care of ur parents....and he never committed any crime...he himself said he received 1000s of emails from people who fought depression with help of tate.....there is a reason why he has a huge following.....respect that , think , speak again...and again he started to follow God himself....why always focus on negative sides of a person?? if u listen to tate u will get successful simple as that.....stop arguing and just do it!

[@akatsukicloak]

Jordan Peterson said he would not give his opinion about him and proceeded to do character assassination. Imagine if Tate was asked about Peterson and he responded "I will not give my opinion, about him, but I'm not particularly impressed with his benzos addiction front, I'm not a particular fan of junkies". There is nothing good about being a hypocrite and subtly throwing shade without addressing his arguments instead.

[@skyhigh9893]

It's amazing because recently I was thinking what does Jordan Peterson thinks of Andrew Tate but as usual a wise response from JP.

[@serenitykaisen]

It is great to see such a well-balanced view on such a divided topic. If only more people could see someone like Tate, or any influencer, this way.

[@TheDjSweets]

so everyone is so dumb they can't make up their own minds if someone is good or bad? they need a man on tv sat on sofa to tell them

[@serenitykaisen]

@@TheDjSweets That's nothing like what I said.

[@AshleyLebedev]

@@TheDjSweetseveryone is allowed an opinion and he was asked this by people who paid to ask questions. What’s your point, you seem so offended. Just like Tate would be.

[@Bearlytherely]

It wasn't balanced, just pure fear of disrupting his own brand. It's really not complex to form an opinion about Tate. As usual, Jordy dodging the question. "What do you mean by 'think' about Tate?"

[@Butchbrock]

@@Bearlytherely Peterson did not dodge the question. He chooses to inspire people by offering practical steps to empower themselves. Peterson did not become popular by bashing individuals but rather behavior.

[@UncleBensChannel]

Andrew Tate faded FAST, especially after he came out in support of Hamas and refused to call them terrorists. JP is spot on here.

[@greatwar4916]

Thank you so much for this video I’ve tackled with this dilemma for sometime and have been on the fence about Andrew tate. He has some good points but also some bad ones. So he is a hard character to gage, but this video put it in a perfect way I could find a rational answer to the question of Andrew tate that calmed my soul. I can empathize with the choice of forthright aggression as opposed to cringey defeat. I had the same choice in front of me. Was I gonna accept cringy defeat or adapt to forthright aggression. Because cringy defeat was gonna lead me to suicide. Sorry no other way to put it. And for some time I was aggressive but now I believe I am learning a third option. Controlling emotions and stable soul assertiveness as I’ll call it.

[@christianlee9360]

Let's put it this way. He has scammed men out of millions in his webcam business and openly admits in the Fullsend podcast. Now all of a sudden he turns to islam and claims to be a voice for masculinity and marginalized men (those same men he decimated in his past). I like his message on self improvement but until he publically apologizes and makes amends for his past, I will never be able to support him.

[@dominicdickson3797]

@@christianlee9360 so those men who gave there own money willingly makes him a scammer. It was a cam sight those men knew exactly what they were giving money for. Thats on them. People can change you know jordan is also someone who changed where before he was taking an anxiety medication yet was telling people how bad they are and that they shouldnt be taken. Thats hypocritical. Both have flaws. Andrew has said he isnt proud of his past but aims to do better.

[@christianlee9360]

@@dominicdickson3797 ugh this is why the internet is annoying. People don't have all the information and I dont blame you at all. But you clearly don't know what I mean by scamming. I dont mean business. Doing business is fine. SCAMMING isn't. I dont have a problem with a legal cam business. Its the scamming. Scamming men out of hundreds of thousands of dollars. Pretending to be the girls and asking them to take out loans, sell their houses, stringing them along and so forth. That is abusive and wrong and illegal AF

[@jamesrevere2992]

”Cringing defeat”, not ”cringey” lmao

[@sirjelly72]

@@dominicdickson3797 He would literally have men pretending to be his cam models chatting up these men to get them to buy stuff for them and manipulate them. He is obviously a scammer.

[@sean7269]

The way I’ve always contrasted the two in my head is for Andrew, Victory is the highest virtue and for Jordan, virtue is the highest victory.

[@sean7269]

@@Borna-sw1lz Thanks

[@Path_of_Virtue]

I think you're right and I think that's what makes Tate so dangerous. His pursuit of victory makes it inevitable that the true lack of moral character will be revealed. He entices men by offering power, knowing that few men will actually achieve it, and fewer still to his level. Jordan is dangerous in another way - he's dangerous because he really could change the world, because he encourages people to be better and makes a compelling argument for why people should strive to be the best of themselves.

[@veinmetal8671]

to Andrew, a woman is just a fleshlight in a man's life. To Jordan peterson a flash light of a man's life is a woman.

[@ПриветПривет-в6ш]

"One message foundation "channel shows the path 🤙..

[@TheGerogero]

So for Tate, the ends justify the means? Then there is nothing _in principle_ which distinguishes him from the worst of humanity. In other words, he has stitched himself together with cognitive dissonance.

[@cribbagegod]

I was really hoping for an in depth look into this guy since he really does have a huge audience with probably the biggest internet influence over the youth. Worldwide. Please, Jordan, give us an in-depth analysis of Andrew Tate. It would well benefit thousands of young men who may be confused and manipulated, while others find clarity and inspitation through him. I also belive that an Interview between the two of you would be extremely, EXTREMELY highly desired by more people than you would imagine. -T

[@muzi.drives.her.nuts.]

couldn't agree more

[@Hdilon]

Exact

[@sendthis9480]

It’s really not that hard to figure out. He’s “edgy”. And young guys think being “edgy” is “kewl”. Plus…it has ALWAYS been common to find an excuse for inadequacies. Dudes can’t get girls…so they blame girls. It’s as old as marriage. It’s nothing new.

[@boomguitarjared]

That would be explosive l:0

[@JDunamis]

If you take out Andrews opinion on women theres mostly good left.

[@Neothefish]

As a woman I love Dr. Jordan Peterson. You make the world a better place sir

[@Tgogators]

Best critique I've heard about Andrew Tate: "His diagnosis are good, but he prescriptions for them are not"

[@devinquarles6986]

Love Jordans honesty. Tate helped me too, like them both, for the difference they made in my life!

[@loupasternak]

If you needed Tates help, you haven't been helped . You just think you have

[@spiderprime]

​@@loupasternak 💯

[@cisuminocisumino3250]

​​@@loupasternak lol, the level of arrogance in that statement... Reality doesn't conform to your opinions, people get helped by many things in life.

[@JohnRock14]

​@@loupasternakmy man thinking he knows everyones situation and what helps people 🤡

[@devinquarles6986]

@@loupasternak Trust me Lou, just like everything else and everyone else, we won't agree with everything someone says or does...but the key is to take what you can from those wiser than you. Knowledge is power....nooooo "Self Knowledge is Power", know thyself Lou.🙏🏾

[@XyZiid]

I like to see them both meet and talk, maybe a podcast moderated by Patrick bet David

[@CH-tv1cy]

They dont need a moderator

[@Unxpekted]

Yes!

[@MaitreSpader]

The reality of the "Tate vs. Peterson" duality is that depending on where you are mentaly, what kind of struggle you are facing and your personnality, somebody like a Tate or a David Goggins will actually help you more than a Peterson, and vice versa. Sometimes, as great as a deeper/more spiritual speech can resonate into you, a more aggressive/angry speech will actually produce more results. I think Peterson resonates more with people struggling with apathy, grief, sadness, fear. Guys like Tate or Goggins would resonate more with people stuck at the "anger" stage wich is placed higher on the pyramid of transformation concept (it goes like this : apathy < grief < fear < anger < courage < desire < purpose < love). What's interesting is that those Tate and Goggins personnas are themselves stuck in the anger - courage themes (which is a lot of self sabotage like pain resistance/workouts etc...) but they would actually need some spiritual work to reach a wiser, more loving theme. A great example is Mike Tyson; stuck in fear and anger for years and now he is totally at peace and loving. By the way, I learned that from "JulienHimself", you might want to look him up on YT ;)

[@donkerwin6289]

One of the most thoughtful thinkers today. Watch how much time he spends developing his answers & comments.

[@javiervega1065]

tate is slipping it to his daughter

[@Ahmeddeee]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@stormajsipu6162]

​@@OArchivesXsince you brought that up, Tate was never convicted of any crime whatsoever. There is no evidence, no victims have spoken out, no motive and yet people manage to get so severly manipulated on an enormus scale. If the Tate brothers really did what people are accusing them of, then they deserve to go to jail, but like the law says, one is innocent until proven guilty. Period. And btw, BBC is a terrible source of information

[@vanarsamadi]

I would like to be like Dr Jordan Peterson one day, this Dr has such an presence and elegance, in few words his a gentleman

[@alvarovasquez3687]

From incel to in cell 😂

[@natem1982]

this is what i've been trying to say, people are dishonest and easily manipulated by the phenomena. when you ask people why do you like Andrew Tate they immediately reply with a defense to a preconceived narrative by others. "Tate says wild things but he's a good guy, he's done this and that for this person and that person" just be honest why you like him. he's edgy, he promotes male empowerment and you resonated. i personally like him too, for more or less the same reasons why others do. do i trust him? no. do i look up to him? heck no. do i respect and admire him? not really, not more than i should respect and admire another human being. people see what they want to see, and will always look past the bad in things if they resonate with the individual.

[@041gabriellalrosanga6]

So if a person is a criminal or had a bad past and stopped those sins we should judge them always? Are these your principles in life? I'm actually sad for you. But i do think we should not worship any man or woman except Christ.

[@saschaa4888]

His past is not criminal

[@juulee]

​@041gabriellalrosanga6 Are you trolling? You feel sad for them? Come on 😂 Your response was to type a really defensive comment for no reason.

[@TitusKingdom]

Fair assessment. I used to really like him. Don't care much for him nowadays

[@sargissepanyan9538]

You have to realize that Andrew Tate is a smart man, and I'm sure you know that. Call me crazy, but Tate actually planned his fame, and my gut says that his arrest is very much planned as well. When Peterson says "why did he get famous?" I also said you are damn right. I remember that Tate literally got famous from his dumb videos. His videos all of a sudden started popping out of nowhere. He also mentions phases of his fame in which I believe that everything is pretty much scripted. I could be wrong but there could be a posibility.

[@davidharden7575]

I love this! I totally agree with Jordan! Love it!

[@AnonYmous-lk9qy]

Andrew Tate the actual person and Andrew Tate the character bleed in an out of each other. Plus he's grown even in the years he's achieved mainstream success. He's pretty motivating and I think he makes some excellent points about modern masculinity and that's why he's achieved the resonance, but I personally hate moralising on anyone, however I do think Tate hides behind the vale of comedy and perhaps recently religion to excuse some of the things he's said and done. It's true what JP says about aiming for competence and responsibility rather than wealth, but I do think there's value in a means to an end.

[@DragonXDrei]

Is that any means to justify his end? The guy wanted wealth and he got it because he is a great sales person, but just like every single sales person, he is obnoxious and irritating. No idea what anyone sees into him. If every males on the planet was like him, oh boy... that would be the end of us, not that it isn't anyhow. Saying that I don't know how he could maintain his lifestyle since he wouldn't buy his own product.

[@lillol3245]

„Motivating“ That‘s why no one will remember your name. You don‘t achieve anything with motivation, because it‘s temporary

[@christianwoudenberg3393]

This made zero sense. The thing about the character and person is just a mindless excuse, you can say that about literally any immoral actor in history, just puts up a veil of mystery and complexity when in reality there is none. The guy acts consistently in ways that are obviously meant to assert himself as a winner and does so in a laughably crass, materialist and shallow manner. Sad.

[@tubsy.]

Money isn't a means to an end. At least not an end that will bring you any good in life. As long as you aren't poor and are living relatively comfortably, attaining and going after more material wealth won't satisfy you in any way. The lavish lifestyle promoted by Tate and other influencers, like for example owning sports cars, yachts, expensive watches, attracting women with money and so on are, I think, only juvenile and immature goals. Tate's audience primarily consists of children, who are much more easily enticed by these ideas because of their young and naïve minds. And Tate knows this perfectly well.

[@Boz196]

You need money to have an opinion now days. If you say something that goes against the woke narrative you will lose your job because there’s in unquestioning someone who can replace you.

[@ronjones-6977]

I've never "followed" a guy like Tate. We all know men just like him. He may say things that gather a following, but all charlatans do that. I'm just gonna ignore him like all the others that have the "answer" to life.

[@libraryofthemind]

There are multiple factors as to why Tate is popular but one aspect can be broken down through Jungian typology in analyzing Tate's communication style. Tate always provides easy to understand examples of common experiences (Se - Extroverted Sensation) so that people can relate to them easily, and he uses logic to convey his points which is convincing (Ti - Introverted Thinking). He also speaks with supreme certainty, as each sentence is communicated as a matter of fact, and the human mind is convinced socially by this style of speaking to accept it as a fact and to trust it because it is said with certainty. So in summary, Tate, through his extroverted sensation perceives common examples and experiences that people can easily understand and relate to, and are convinced by his logical analysis of the common situations, and are drawn to trust him because of his certainty and matter of fact speaking style. There are also other things that make him popular as a brand, as he appeals to masculine identity and values, such as hard work, discipline, etc. He demonstrates and models aspirational achievements, such as being wealthy, physically fit, intelligently spoken, and socially desirable. He communicates advice about life, where people are lost looking for direction. He has a strong personality that convinces and captures people looking for that strength to guide them. There is also the technological and marketing aspect of it, where he allowed people to clip and distribute his content across platforms, so it is partly a strategic social media plan. All these factors contribute to the phenomena, plus ones I haven't mentioned.

[@fitprotunes]

excellent analysis.

[@mariekebootsma4346]

The same as Hitler did

[@hirsch4155]

Good analysis but I’d put Fi for Ti, he appeals to introverted feeling above thinking, Fi is very powerful in this way. And it’s also a rational function as per Jung. Fi decides how they feel about ethical things , it’s very personal in this way, so he can decide what is morally right according to his personal view. . Trump does the same thing but more as a politician would.

[@tomas6869]

@@mariekebootsma4346 thank god Tate is using it visely

[@falsch4761]

It is sad for Peterson.. They should know that Andrew tate boning his daughter while She was married to Russian Guy that help Peterson. This like asking do you like my daughter cheating partner.. Dont ask Jordan that question!! it is inappropriate

[@CharlesInMotion]

Andrew Tate is another entry in the modern freak show. He is there primarily for our entertainment.

[@mmh3999]

Thank you Dr. Peterson! You would have lost me! A response, proprietary to true intellect!

[@btdtpro]

He'd have lost you if he didn't like Tate? I'm worried if Jordan and Tate end up fighting, the conservative men of the world will have to pick between their two dads.

[@k.b.6210]

I don't think it matters that much to him

[@SenorAlejandro]

@@btdtpro He said he didn't like Tate. He said he seems like a pimp, and that he doesn't like pimps.

[@btdtpro]

@@SenorAlejandro yeah but they can clear up that by Tate saying he found religion. Nothing that happened more than a week ago matters. Just repeat the Tate montra, "out of context, long time ago, just a joke", Andrew Tate pimped women a long time ago, out of context, as a joke. Surely you understand humor enough not to hold that against him, have you even ever seen every single thing he's ever posted online, so that you have the context. Classic matrix box move of you to come in here without the context of the pimping joke he did 604800 seconds ago. This kind of thinking is brokie, beta, bourgeoisie. Clean your room bucko, and by clear your room I mean pimp women online. See, Peterson and Tate basically have the same message. Do you think cangirls make money with dirty rooms in the backgrounds of their streams? Do understand the context now. You probably still don't understand, because the matrix has programmed you. Pay Andrew 50k and he'll explain it to you, his time isn't free, but he doesn't do this for money, he doesn't need money, he only does this to help people. Taking your money helps you, It's an important lesson, Tate doesn't need money. I can't wait to hear how you take me out of context. Don't reply to this post more than an hour from now, because at that point this will be things I said ages ago. Where's your sense of humor, this is serious?

[@seandavidson5085]

"Proprietary" is the right a company/owner has to assets like patents or IP. Odd use of the term.

[@robg4472]

“I’m not a great admirer of pimps” Finally something that JP and I can agree on.

[@bertoman1990]

Pimping is an easy money making business so it's not surprising that he would be into that kind of business to cater to elite clients.

[@zoeen5650]

You don't agree with tidying your room?

[@balazstoth7061]

I get why he is salty, Tate fucked his daughter.

[@Antiwokeidealogy]

😂 Are you Liberal?

[@robg4472]

@@Antiwokeidealogy do you like JP by chance?

[@Moe_lestering]

This is by far the best answer he could give. No prejudgement and polite.

[@robmangeri777]

That was a good response and very similar to what I have said. I would add that I find it odd that he became an internet phenomenon so rapidly, at least on my feed and that he chose Islam so quickly after the rapid fire emergence, strong and very compelling defenses of masculinity, talk of the “matrix” and predicted arrest. There is an awkward scripted nature to his story and it doesn’t set well with me.

[@ehpapoyans8039]

those type of people are made by organizations specialized in building characters so they can serve ton a purpose , like spies ... we pick a person with a potential and we make out of them what we want so they can do what we want...

[@pseudonamed]

oh his sudden internet phenomenon was totally scripted, it was part of his "Hustler's University" course that he teaches his followers to make money by spreading video clips of Tate everywhere. That's how he rigged the algorithms in his own favour, it did not happen organically, it happened because he had his followers purposely spread controversial clips of Tate everywhere and anywhere and make multiple accounts to do so.

[@simonclements2124]

Peterson and Tate are at opposite ends of the spectrum - Peterson's response here is well thought out and offers more respect than Tate will ever be owed.

[@deangreen2567]

What ‘spectrum’ are they at the opposite ends of exactly?

[@xx-----------xx873]

The autism one

[@therightarmofthefreeworld4703]

@@xx-----------xx873 Hahahahaha. Yes. Tate is peak autism.

[@JessG_20]

​@deangreen2567 one actually thinks deeply and is nuanced, empathetic, and is seeking answers/reasons for our current societal issues with the goal of finding solutions, while the other just wants to throw out his extreme opinions and judgements on this or that and there's no depth to his thought process and no clear goal in sight. That spectrum.

[@deangreen2567]

@@JessG_20 Interesting observation. Of course Peterson thinks more about the opinions and observations he espouses; he’s been a renowned academic for four decades. However, if you’re going to simply dismiss Andrew Tate’s words as merely ‘extreme opinions and judgments’ with ‘no depth’ then you haven’t been paying attention. For what it’s worth, I’m not an ‘Andrew Tate guy’, but I will defend the silly idea that he simply talks about women and cars all day. Have you ever heard his thoughts on why the banks want a cashless society? Have you ever heard his thoughts on the military? Have you ever heard his brothers thoughts on European history, or the messages he’s taken from some of the novels he’s read. Pigeonholing people you don’t like as ‘extreme’ and having ‘no depth’ or ‘clear goal in sight’ is what a leftist media outlet would do in a smear attempt. You’re better than that.

[@patrickmeagher6914]

In my estimation, young men are starved for role models who embody characteristics that are classically masculine. Parts of Tate’s character is made up of these virtues, (combative, intelligent, stylish, cool, business savvy, etc) but it’s also coupled with many flaws that are characteristic of a person lacking in moral character. However, because good male role models are so hard to find, such as Aragorn, Harry Potter, Christ, Etc, people gravitate towards this pseudo masculinity.

[@Tomf-tz4pd]

I won’t associate Jesus and Harry Potter in the same line but I truly agree with your view. In the absence of good man, young man will gravitate to who ever is available

[@TheExtremeCube]

It's not like good masculine role models are lacking, Joe Rogan, David Goggins, Jocko Wilink are here among others, and are all a million times better than Tate. Why is Tate popular then? Because he primarily presents himself as someone who women love, who is an expert on women etc. He speaks primarily to the big portion of men who are very frustrated with women, and embodies all their most fucked up fantasies how women should actually be owned by them for an example. Just like he exploits the same kind of men with his webcam business. All Tate does is exploit men and it's insane that he is popular. People are obsessed with "he speaks about responsibility", why is Jocko or Goggins not on his level of popularity then? It's because they don't sell snake oil related to women

[@broccolibeater]

im not convincted that young men in general are looking for a role model to follow. i never had any desire to have one. i never thought about what my role is as a male in the world. i imagine these toxic male roles are under attack in western society and those boys who are on that path find themselves under threat. which are mostly those from a more traditional moral background and kids from lower income families. there is a pushback against toxic masculinity in western societies. not all men are being targeted however and i generally support the idea to push back against bullying and oppression. it would help to have male role models for those who seek it.

[@BubbleOfJelly]

@@TheExtremeCubewow, good points!!! I loved what you said.

[@mrdanforth3744]

Maybe that is why he turned Muslim. The only religion that encourages misogyny, slavery, exploitation of non Muslims, according to Muslim theology there is nothing wrong with being a pimp and a white slaver.

[@End_Domestic_Violence]

Magnificent dissection! As a survivor of extreme violence, I'm trying to change the world myself - I'm going out to every public square in Australia with a PA system to inspire people to open their eyes, self-educate, and live a free land adventurous ife, rather than being a mindless cog in the machine. I'm a toilet cleaner, but I'm running for the senate in my country. The more of us that speak out - and live our values - the more we can inspire others to think for themselves, and pursue a rewarding life of freedom and adventure. Best wishes all! "Man is free - but everywhere he is in chains!" -Rousseau

[@Rushmanyyz]

As an Australian, I will tell everyone I know to avoid voting for your crazy arse...

[@iagomartinezdealegriamader52]

How did the thing with the PA system go?

[@PatriciaOwen-y3l]

I us 2hp pentecos church my kids did and they sand a song of chains .I think we get chained by society . What's happening around the world glonle Jesus prodicted this would happen over 2000 years ago. And it's coming true gt police governments won't power 2 I'm 75year 2:10 os old .live on my own .I think we're did all the time years .go 40years of loving someone who I feel didn't love me

[@thedolphin5428]

An interesting "I'll leave it alone, I'll leave it at that" response. I suspect he did that out of fear of attacking Tate and receiving a MASSIVE nasty backlash revenge from his fans.

[@danypell2517]

Respect to Jordan Peterson. He's telling the brutal truth in how the Tates made their money (through pimping webcam girls). Some people don't care, some don't like it (against their values big time for instance). In my case I don't care much but glad Jordan is speaking the truth, just like the Tates. Respect to all.

[@nicolas.marsicano]

Yeah totally agreed. Tate is making millions with sex camera with women that they agreed with it (Lets hope so). He cheated the system/matrix and he has became a millionary with it

[@mikehuntington]

Exactly but you know what's funny? Tate pimping webcam girls it's considered a bad thing for a lot of people, but a group of guys creating something called Onlyfans it's not, just a way of living for "independent" woman

[@yeatdagoat173]

​@Mike Huntington true but he can't at the same breath say that "oh the west is degenerate" and bash women for being hoes when he profited of that behavior and has like multiple women all around him

[@factory_enslavement]

@@mikehuntington Does the majority of people who criticize Tate for making money from online prostitution praise the Onlyfans industry? You have to use the same measurements if you want to have meaning to your opinion

[@danypell2517]

@@mikehuntington Pretty sure same people who think pimping webcam girls is bad, also think girls selling themselves on OnlyFans is bad. Maybe there are exceptions?

[@itsredstone]

Sometimes I get the feeling that Jordan doesn't want to be connected in any way with Andrew Tate and therefore is avoiding talking about him or maybe it's even because of the rumors between Mikhaila and Tate. Lots of people would be interested in a in depth analysis of what he thinks of Tate and I really hope that one day he well say more about the phenomenon of Andrew Tate

[@j.clements2093]

Tate produces porn. His values are not up to par.

[@triple6j]

Yes I don’t think he wants to be associated with tate and also if he had a full analysis it would be crushing for Tate. Watch any body language breakdown or psychology breakdown of tate on KZbin. They are very damning, most psychologists or body language experts recognise Tate is a manipulator and a control freak amongst other things.

[@trainingrifle]

No he just isn’t impressed by pimpish behavior

[@immanuelcunt7296]

​@@triple6j Body language analysis is absolute bullshit pseudoscience. Psychology breakdowns that aren't done by credible psychologists are equally worthless.

[@ZM-dm3jg]

They're not rumours. Mikala did the deed with Tate

[@TopNotchPersona]

Great answer! I think potentially comparing Tate's appeal to that of a rapper is pretty spot-on

[@charuka.dharmasiri]

When I was listening to JP he said all the right things but he never touched the spark inside me but ANDREW did! I’m working out every day, I’m making more money and my mental health is soo good !! But when I was listening to JP I was depressed af😂 Andrew said stfu brookie and go do it anyways that’s what got me out of laziness😂 but I love JP but Andrew Inspired me like no other(Also I didn’t join his universiy I’m smart enough to know that business module 😂)

[@rayal4395]

Completely wrong comparison by JP! He’s trying to downplay Tate and his success at galvanising young men and getting them to think. Tate is way bigger than Jordan and so much more influential and I think that irks JP. Also AT has made a lot of disparaging comments about psychology and psycho therapy which would annoy him.

[@alexisreyna2423]

​@@charuka.dharmasirido you also think women should be trained like puppies. Its weird how bitter men would defend a human trafficker

[@MishoRaffaello]

@@alexisreyna2423 it's weird how his bitter haters still desperately calling him "human trafficker" although he got out of prison a few months ago with no charges and nothing about trafficking allegations have been proved with evidences. Get life.

[@Huzaifa-Khan]

​@@alexisreyna2423if out of context clips is how u built ur opinion of him then that is pathetic, even so there is no proof of him being involved in human trafficking. I don't agree with everything he says, but I do have the judgement to see what will help me improve and apply that to my life, which overall has benefitted me and outlook on AP is positive.

[@coco3584]

I always said that even tho I vastly disagree with JP on certain subjects, I was always sure that he honestly cares about those who listen to him. I cannot say the same of Andrew Tate

[@jasonmullinder]

I've come to think JP is trying to prevent young men from becoming like Ted Bundy, guys like Tate are about being better at it then Bundy

[@leighcunningham756]

JP is very articulate and I have to say that the little he said about Tate hit the nail on the head. People admire Tate because he says what he thinks and people wish that they had the nerve to do the same. Tate is no intellectual though.

[@fujitofusan]

I listen to Andrew Tate a lot of and there a lot of great message from Andrew. Of course you can’t agree 100% with everyone. But to me his direct and forward really refreshing in this age of cancellation.

[@AbigailSky]

​@@fujitofusanpeople always say there is goof and bad with tate. Well you the basic "good" of telling men to work hard, focus on themselves etc you can find from so many men who are so much more respectable, and more respectful...

[@christianfinkbeiner684]

People wish they had the nerve to be rapists?

[@ryantogo8359]

​@@christianfinkbeiner684op clearly said "says what he thinks" But nice try at rearranging reality to fit your narrative. Maybe next time it'll work for you.

[@jabadathehut6400]

Jordan Peterson is a light to the world we live in & such a role model

[@n.21]

Don’t let the big words and wordplay trick you.

[@akh8796]

@@n.21who supports apartheid Isreal that kill babies and commit atrocities a great role model.

[@TCakes]

@@n.21 there’s no trick here?… It’s not like he’s using language that’s impossible to understand.

[@nimmha6708]

@@n.21 If "big words" trick you, you tricked yourself. Everything he says is simple and understandable. English is my third language and I still understand everything he says, even if he goes into his field of expertise and starts about psychology.

[@mhtechuk1769]

​@@nimmha6708Until you realise he has sold himself out Zionists

[@sonyphony]

The fact that andrew tate doesnt openly adknowledge that he was basically a pimp in the past and downplays that history just shows that there is a lot of things he has done that would make him seem like a cold hearted guy in thr public eye.

[@zaneaustin365]

I've been curious about what JP thought about Tate and that was a even and composed answer.

[@whycantwebefriendzz]

An extremely measured take from JP and a necessary one at that. It's absolutely critical that Peterson differentiates himself from the grift of Andrew Tate as much as possible.

[@sirrys]

I think the same! However I’m not convinced JP is actually trying to differentiate himself from people like Tate and it is to his own detriment. His audience could have been a lot bigger

[@mysteriousbusiness]

@@sirrys totally agree, he's choosing his words very carefully so as not to alienate his audience, a lot of whom are probably Andrew Tate fans

[@Anand.Harprem]

@@sirrys Why would such a cultured man like JP would like to be associated with that 4 neuron chin-less freak? Smart enough to say just the necessary.

[@veraf7315]

@@mysteriousbusiness In January 2023, JP tweeted that Tate was a Dark Tetrad personality type "through and through." I can usually appreciate his measured responses, and I myself could even make an argument in Tate's defense, but JP's answer here was weak and reminiscent of a politician trying to play both sides.

[@mysteriousbusiness]

@@veraf7315 maybe because his daughter had an affair with him

[@momo14289]

Tate does not behave like an experienced grown man. He understood how to make money. Through his community he is rich. without these people he couldn't lead the life to spread his content.

[@poplarboydavid]

Peterson's brief assessment of Tate, reveals the good character and wisdom that he wields. ❤

[@aduntoridas010]

Except that him mentioning Tate as some sort of a pimp is very disingenuous of him and makes him look envious more than anything to me.

[@OperatorMax1993]

​@@aduntoridas010 I mean, he literally has a camgirl business site, he has a "hustler's university" thing, what about that

[@AuraysTimelessChannel]

​@aduntoridas6898 You're so full of crap. Andrew Tate is not a good man. He may say some wise things but his character isn't near what JBPs is. They operate in the same lane when it comes to audience, in some respects, but Jordan is nothing like Andrew and doesn't want what he's got. If you listened to Jordan speak at length, you'd understand his moral compass and that Andrew is sketchy at best, morally speaking.

[@poplarboydavid]

@@aduntoridas010 Yes, I didn't feel that added anything positive!

[@aduntoridas010]

@@OperatorMax1993 He had that kind of business (cam business)over 10 years ago. He only became famous like 2-3 yeara ago... Nothing he's done today to be famous has anything to do with him being immoral. Hustler's Uni is legit. It's not a get rich quick scheme. Anyone who's signed up for it still need to do the effort just like any form of "hustle"... People need to stop spreading this narrative about Tate because it's so outdated and simply a narrative perpetrated by the elites to destroy his reputation because his influence has gotten too big to handle.

[@Adam88-q8v]

When I listen to what you said as a Muslim I do believe that is true. I don’t know Andrew Tate much but I do follow you and everything you say is true. May Allah bless you and all of us and help us follow the truth and avoid lies and manipulation.

[@yessir8089]

The blockbuster that a JBP podcast with Andrew Tate would be.

[@luck3yp0rk93]

Tate would just be demolished. He’s hardly articulate

[@XxGreatestyouknoWxX]

​@@luck3yp0rk93thats funny, I think Andrew is insanely articuate. He talks very well, I'd argue Jordan might have his hands full with that interview.

[@j.clements2093]

Tate produces porn.

[@drooskie9525]

@@XxGreatestyouknoWxX Andrew is just another modernist. He gets the diagnosis somewhat accurate but everything else wrong. JP is one of the most articulate people in the public sphere, Tate may be more articulate than average - but that's nothing all that amazing given the average american has a 8th grade reading level.

[@copinman]

To be honest that would be a pretty good discussion I don't even think they would disagree in lots of topics also Tate just like Peterson are gentlemen that know the nuances of a civilized conversation also Tate has said before that JP it's a very intelligent person

[@tamzzy10565]

As a person who watches both , I wouldn't say they are similiar in ways but definitely would want them to acknowledge each other properly 🤝

[@MMMMMMarco]

🤣🤣🤣 what a contradiction. Get outta here

[@Unxpekted]

Big Tate fan. Def misunderstood and most that do misunderstood him admitingly are the Matrix type.

[@nomarxistspls90]

@@Unxpekted very cringe tbh.

[@SkoolNerds]

@@nomarxistspls90 no Marxists sounding very much like brainwashed lib. How ironic.

[@nomarxistspls90]

@@SkoolNerds ah yes, because I don’t agree with the morality of tate (a pimp and glorified discord scammer) I must be quote, “a brainwashed lib”… Get yourself a real education kiddo. It’ll do you a world of good👍.

[@NoGutsNoGlory-s7x]

That was a great answer. I was scared JP was going to completely agree with Top G😱😂 Even doe I like Tate and he’s very entertaining. I don’t agree with all his opinions and the way he does things from a moral standpoint.

[@Unxpekted]

I agree with his opinions and disagree with yours. It's ok we can still respect each other.

[@StagnantMizu]

exactly

[@MrTedMcForehead]

I don't think Tate agrees with his own opinions on some things. He goes over the top sometimes to get a headline, it works.

[@leetster6303]

@@MrTedMcForehead He admitted that he purposefully phrases his statements in a way to provoke people. Most of his statements are still true and mean the same, but the way you say it can have a massive difference on how people react to it.

[@funtimes8296]

Is there anyone who you do agree with ALL their opinions though? Not trying to call you either just genuinely curious because I can't think of anyone I've heard speak at length on the internet whom I agree with all their viewpoints on various issues

[@ricardosiano627]

Absolutely! That interview that T Carlson had the other day was stellar. J Peterson should definitely interview A Tate!

[@bevrosity]

right. i think after that video he might realuze he's not a "pimp" lol

[@bevrosity]

@@askaelken oh, he is?

[@willow2332]

I appreciate Jordan stayed true to himself in this assessment. He could have been fully embracing to please the people given their audience probably overlaps a lot.

[@MrParky018]

He simply shit out and is sitting on the fence.

[@hoi-polloi1863]

"I don't know enough to comment further." Man, half the people on KZbin need this tattooed on their wrist for easy reference! Good job, Doc P.

[@mikerhem1273]

Love the fact that he pointed out the online pimping portion of his career. Lol just confuses me that everyone's new favorite role model is literally a webcam pimp with a few good political points. Their is no honor in that, nothing to be proud or boastful about

[@DenerWitt]

not everyone had the same life and abilities that Jordan has. Tate is, like every other scammer, a persona, a false example that a man can be successful without spending a lot of money and time on education. Whie I agree taht would be good, not everyone is fit to be a psychologist or an engineer or a computer scientist. Tate's pride come from being a sucessful man.

[@ayushighosh20]

​​​@@DenerWitt If that for you is success then so is Osama Bin Laden, broken morals, successful terrorist. Morals are important parameter to be looked up to or look up to. Lot of these self proclaimed successful people are a hypocrite and while that is also a basic human trait, nothing to be looked up to or be inspired from. You and your life journey is enough to inspire you

[@ScholarSupreme]

he stopped webcam years ago and now regrets it and preaches against it? He saw an opening in the market and took it. If it was something else like maybe E-commerce he would of gone down that route. No difference really except his employees where all women get payed a lot more then what they used to.

[@AlinaProbably]

​@@ScholarSupremei think that's exactly what the op was pointing out: tate's lack of morals. seeing the "market", as you put it, for degrading human decency (tate himself has claimed that the women who eventually worked for him hadn't been a part of the sex industry previously) and profiting off it speaks volumes about tate's moral character, and the op is making the point that people deserving of the title of a role model should be held to a higher moral standard

[@backspaceninja9860]

Dr. Peterson will be buried in that suit. He’s worn that suit in many interviews and I don’t blame him. It is a beautiful suit. Great response JP.