Jordan Peterson SHUTS DOWN Secret LOST Gospel?

Jordan Peterson SHUTS DOWN Secret LOST Gospel? @JordanBPeterson
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[@abel2933]

The thumbnail with an arrow to that Bible and the words “Yikes” is absurd! That is the Ethiopian Bible, which is the oldest illustrated Bible in history that didn’t get affected by the Catholic Church. It is the best example of what the early followers were reading as a whole.

[@interpretingscripture8068]

Did Mohammed think the New Testament was perverted? Im not aware that the quran speaks negatively about the Torah or the Gospel. Which is a great point to use when witnessing to Muslims. Although Its true the quran borrows from the gnostic writtings.

[@jeremiah5319]

A question for you, Ruslan... As a young Christian I depended on teachers more than learning to read and study God's word myself. And because I wasn't testing everything I was being taught (as per 1 Thess 5:21, Acts 17:11), I accepted some false doctrines (especially pertaining to eschatology) that, only after learning to be a good Berean, I was able to discern as false. Once I had learned to properly study and exegete scripture, many of my views changed (for the better, no doubt). One of the essential things I learned in my process of learning was that one's eschatological paradigm will control, consciously or not, what his views of many other doctrines will be... even his views on salvation. I'm curious as to Jordan Peterson's understanding of eschatology... and just about everyone else I meet. So, I'm curious, Ruslan... what is your eschatological position, and how did you arrive at it? Has it ever changed (as mine did)? Have you done any videos on this topic, that is, how our various beliefs are controlled by our eschatological views?

[@Ronaldo.revelation]

People are open to every kind of theory(simulation, multiverse, mechanic elves, annunaki, etc…) except for jesus resurrecting. Then they do their best to debunk it. This is even more proof for me that Jesus is the truth💯

[@lifesavapor]

Preach

[@kamcobbe]

They know that dealing with the biblical Jesus will require them to abandon behaviors that they are attached to.

[@Fiona2254]

No one wants to do the hard thing and abandon their deadly sins. I also fell for the “my God won’t send anyone to hell” because I didn’t understand that it’s not God who sends people to hell. WE send ourselves by refusing to do His will as best as we can. He knows we aren’t perfect but he also knows when we aren’t even trying because of pride and our hard heads wanting to do everything we want regardless of it being good or bad for us. His mercy allowed for my heart to be softened and open to His Holy Spirit and Will. Viva Christo Rey.

[@petewilkinson9681]

Mark my words: this young man will ask the TOUGHEST questions about our Jesus and at the end of the day, he too will kneel at the feet of our lord Jesus.

[@Mensah-dh3qk]

Amen

[@sistafila]

Amen

[@sibahlestamper]

Amen

[@JohnDoe-mk5yl]

Jesus never existed but Julius Caesar did and so did the Meshiah, THE SON OF THE MOST HIGH whose name is EMMANUEL.

[@christisking970]

@@JohnDoe-mk5yl huh ? Emmanuel is Jesus

[@iancraig3020]

Gnostics fall into this category: Romans 1:22-25. “Claiming to be wise, they became fools…”

[@Robert-rw5lm]

Just like every mainstream Christian today if their not careful

[@phil-f716]

I almost fell victim to these lost gospels. Thank God I prayed and prayed and prayed on it. And I was clearly given an answer and was pointed in the right direction. I believe the Holy Spirit answers us in different ways. But this message I got was clear as day lol

[@Sam-ny9tz]

Amen ❤ Same here but the Holy Spirit revealed don't go that route that's the Anti Christ Spirit of this world! SAME TRICKS OF THE DEVIL FROM THE BEGINNING OF TIME BUT WE SERVE THE ALMIGHTY GOD! GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER 🙏🏽

[@lordsdisciple]

Thats the issue though isn't it? To try to talk to people who fell trap to these lost gospels, breaks my heart that they don't understand why things are the way they are in our main gospel today. Nothing I can say can shift their minds.

[@Kid871]

Me too I watched William donaghue vids and got lost in a rabbit hole. But got reminded by the Holy Spirit that I need my God and need to submit to him instead of believing I am my own god.

[@SethFennell-qj1mx]

Praise god

[@briananderson1246]

​@@lordsdiscipleFast and pray for them

[@askNatasha82]

This was great Ruslan!!! 🔥 as a former new ager/gnostic/syncretist… I can testify that Jesus is the way the truth & the life, no one can come to the Father except through him! Period! He was the one who lived this out all the way into the resurrection & ascension! Praise Jesus! 🙏🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@johnnastrom9400]

"I can testify that Jesus is the way the truth & the life, no one can come to the Father except through him!" -- I am honestly trying to strengthen my faith as a Christian. However, it does not help when people like you constantly parrot cliches.

[@askNatasha82]

@@johnnastrom9400 I pray that God gives you strength & guidance. The words of Jesus aren’t a cliche. I’m quoting John 14:6, where Jesus is answering Thomas’s question “how can we know the way?” Read the Bible, pray that God reveals himself to you, and you will understand why I lean into His words. He is my salvation. I stand 10 toes down in Him. And I make no apologies for that. I pray the Lord illuminates your mind and heart. God bless. Peace.

[@amys3552]

If Jesus didn’t resurrect where is our hope? Our hope IS in the resurrection. 1Peter 1:3 “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,” ‭‭I Peter‬ ‭1‬:‭3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

[@amys3552]

We have been begotten into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus!!! According to his abundant mercy!! Thank you Jesus thank you father for your abundant mercy!

[@kamcobbe]

Exactly, if Jesus hasn't resurrected from the dead, then the rest of the Christian Faith is meaningless

[@metamatrixclub1186]

Our hope IS in the resurrection or a decent education

[@nphoenixcrimefighter]

Dan Brown was in a cult and wrote a manifesto. No one bought it. Years later he wrote a novel, that was the basis of his cult. Everyone bought it. Sad!

[@Sojourner24_7]

There is no "Secret Information " because we are all of the same spirit, The Holy Spirit of Truth!! John:15:26

[@dewaynethomas7729]

Only born again followers of Yeshua are of the same Spirit.

[@kimbronun6649]

Everything eventually has to reveal itself

[@josephposenecker9741]

Alex has been talking about the gnostic gospels a lot the last month or so. I think Ruslan is right, I think Alex has been doing this to prepare for this discussion with Jordan. I think it didn’t go how he expected it to at all though. I don’t think Alex expected Jordan to finally come out and say he thinks the bodily resurrection happen. In that case he would have tried to tie Jordan’s view on Christianity to Gnosticism. If that worked it would have separated Jordan from so many of his Christian audience. I think Jordan surprised him by saying he believes the resurrection. Then I think Alex continues down the path of other gnostic gospels because he thinks it’s a good way to discredit Christianity. Then Jordan perfectly dispels the gnostic beliefs and speaks about how miraculously brilliant the orthodox Christian metaphysics is. So, I think this completely backfired on Alex. Not only did he not get to label Jordan as a Gnostic Christian. Jordan says I very much believe orthodox Christianity because I think it’s true.

[@RuslanKD]

Great analysis. And he knows how problematic they actually are

[@lionsonthepath]

I think people who are drawn to the Gnostic gospels for the same reason they are drawn to Eastern Religions, because it’s all about self. This is easier for atheists to relate to because they can’t see anything past themselves. Ego is a powerful demon.

[@Yj-Fj]

@@lionsonthepathsatan tempting every human since Adam and Eve: you’ll know something new without God!

[@Sam-ny9tz]

​@lionsonthepath Indeed ❤ God Bless you brother 🙏🏽

[@HarryHafsak]

Alex likes to use a lot of big words to sound smart.

[@galacticcandycrumbs3245]

Thematically, it sounds like the gnostic’s deception in the early church mirrors the serpent’s deception in early Genesis.

[@galacticcandycrumbs3245]

It has the same fingerprints on them

[@findingdeism3406]

What was the serpent’s deception?

[@jayhill2193]

@@findingdeism3406 misrepresenting God's word, lying about what his comandment is and perversly turn it around to mean the exact opposite and make God look like a liar.

[@Yj-Fj]

Exactly

[@findingdeism3406]

⁠@@jayhill2193please show me where the serpent misrepresented God’s word.

[@YouTubeDeletesMyCommentssss]

Since I came to faith in Christ, I've examined every claim made against Christ, I've examined the gnostic/ uncannon texts, claims of Jesus being a story retold, ancient tablets which turned out to be later fabrications of an earlier tablet having no relationship to Christ/ the Bible.

[@danielgomessilva8966]

I am not disappointed at all that he asked this to JP. This was a needed question! My wife was gnostic not long ago. She ended in psychiatry 7 years later and other 3 years later. The gnostic "spirit" embodies a deep repudial (disgust) towards the material world. That very evident with the Demiurge mystical character and the idea that we are souls trapped in a body. The resurrection has given much hope for her now, thank God

[@cameroningles6712]

THE GNOSTICS WERE TEACHING THE SAME LIE AS SERPENT IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN.

[@D20AttackRolls]

The gospel of Thomas is considered heresay because it contradicts the scriptures as is discussed. Its also not close to being written in the time frame of the gospel of John. Most biblical scholars agree that the gospel of Thomas was written a couple hundred years after the disciples lived and consider it fraudulent.

[@iceman45ification1]

I think Alex is a great example of how people read the Bible in eisegesis. In other words, projecting their own beliefs or views into the scriptures.

[@c2s2942]

Do you mean eisogesis

[@iceman45ification1]

@@c2s2942 I'm sorry. Yes, I meant eisegesis. Got the two confused. Lol

[@brianbridges8124]

@@iceman45ification1 how do you know you're not just doing that yourself? how do you measure eisegesis? are you immune to it?

[@JairCastro-gk9tm]

No one willingly wants to die to their flesh and carry their cross. When you find reasons and excuses to not do that that’s when you know.

[@iceman45ification1]

@@JairCastro-gk9tm Amen. People love their sin too much to live a righteous life before God.

[@guitarilla9823]

If He didn’t rise bodily, then what did Thomas put his hands into? James says “we ‘handled’ Him”. Jesus ate with the disciples….this is all anthropomorphic language. Our Lord rose in a glorified body.

[@Kalimatullah_Yoh1-1.14]

Ahhh gnosticism = deception

[@genxin9636]

Gnosticism = deception = contemporary scientism

[@SanderaTheGypsy]

I noticed all that go against the traditional gospels always mess with the death and resurrection of Christ. It is so important that evil goes after it every time. To me when they try to mess with that they show who was the author of their beliefs. True evil.

[@Yj-Fj]

Exactly

[@trentitybrehm5105]

Mason's are gnostic, and there are many more Mason's than people realize. Ma-Ha-Bone is their password. Jesus' name breaks the spell of their password and false name for God. If they say Yabalon, say Jesus and all their power is stripped. Praise the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit!

[@chaseziegler1490]

Something the Apostolic churches do well is recognizing that we are embodied beings. There is a greater temptation for Protestants to separate our bodies from our spirits, which leads to gnosticism and the idea that the body is always bad. Protestants CAN avoid these pitfalls, but it's more difficult for them because they've generally abandoned the physical traditions, like kneeling, crossing yourself, etc.

[@John14-6...]

My answer to Alex's question would be absolutely yes and I would stake my life on it. I already have because I'm a born again believer in Jesus Christ!

[@williss1192]

Beautiful analysis! This is why I love Jordan Peterson. Not the first time he's done something like this

[@eramzjr22]

Don’t people understand there have ALWAYS been people who wrote false gospels, tried to create their own religions or put their own spin on biblical stories throughout history! Agnostics , false prophets ect; god supernaturally gave us exactly what we need but unbelievers need more.

[@tonybinder9392]

I believe Alex is genuinely seeking. I don’t think there’s an alternative agenda

[@S91761]

I agree with you. I'm agnostic myself and an ex-christian. And I'm telling you, this seeking for the truth isn't an easy one. As a person who isn't as knowledgeable as JP or Alex, you can imagine how hard it would be for me. So, I'm not in a position of rejecting Christ to justify my sinning. Even if I relate and have values that are similar to christianity, I reject the idea of Christ because of my disagreement with the "evidence." I can only use my logic and reasoning that I'm capable of using. And if God is true, this would automatically put me in a box of failure that doesn't deserve anything eternal good. Or at least that is what I am being told by Christians. It's hard man, and I'm tired.

[@andres.e.]

What do you mean by "And if God is true, this would automatically put me in a box of failure that doesn't deserve anything eternal good (sic)"?

[@S91761]

@@andres.e. because according to Christians, everyone deserves hell unless you accept Jesus as a savior, and no matter how I live my life, I will go to hell because of my belief. This goes against any justice we know off.

[@andres.e.]

@@S91761 Not all Christians believe that (only Protestants). The Christian God is infinitely loving and infinitely just, so there is no possibility of injustice on His part. But in any case, I wouldn't trust our own (human) concept of justice in this matter, since we are very limited in our capacity to understand God (not to mention our legendary inclination to self deception!) Take care.

[@frocurl]

These ancient manuscripts and testimonials of high profile church leaders denouncing Christ even doubts from believers do not threaten my faith

[@joshswicegood3253]

Also the fact that it was written close to 200 years after christs death discounts it. It was not by an eye witness nor an actual apostle. That discredits it from the beginning.

[@devylynn4295]

Oh myyyy!!! We need the Holy Spirit to teach us period.. “not our own understanding”Proverbs 3:5 then we won’t get caught up in any false doctrine !!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@christianforbes-so3zl]

I'm 1 of 2 Christians amongst a wave of gnostic Christ consciousness having hippies. It's so annoying. I'm trying to find another job. Lol.

[@Sheepofhim]

Preach to them🥢🥣

[@LavenderGardenia]

I listened to an apologetics audiobook that highlighted that we as Christians have a purpose working amongst unsaved brothers and sisters. 1, we keep evil away and 2 we can be a witness to unbelievers. Sorry you are having a tough time at work, but don't forget pray on God's will for you and your colleagues.

[@Yj-Fj]

Shine brighter in the midst of dim light.

[@TheDjGrateful]

It’s interesting how some people are so brilliant they talk themselves out of believing in Jesus being The only way

[@theneoo]

Thank you for your work❤️

[@kolawoleodejobi4637]

I believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

[@georgeroberts7462]

GREAT POST,GOD BLESS YOU GUYS, AND KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK.

[@konstantinoskarampakakis7]

The video is about Gnostic gospels, but the thumbnail shows an Orthodox Ethiopian priest holding a canonical gospel with a "YIKES". What do Ethiopians have to do with this? Edit: Of course, I am sure this was not intentional.

[@caiocesarop]

Are you 100% sure it was not intentional?? I'm not...

[@konstantinoskarampakakis7]

@@caiocesarop Actually, I am pretty sure because Ruslan has a video titled "this new discovery is crazy for Christianity..." (on his Bless God Studios channel) with the exact same image on the thumbnail, and in which he talks about an ancient Ethiopian bible in a positive light. Also, besides his differences with the Orthodox tradition, he seems to consider Orthodox Christians to be brothers (see for example his interviews his Jonathan Pageau).

[@RuslanKD]

It’s a thumbnail guys. Don’t over think it 🤣🤣🤣 Zach grabbed a picture of an ancient manuscript that was found. When you search “gnostic gospels” not a lot comes up. I wanted to go the direction of the da Vinci code in the thumbnail and we may if we update the thumbnail.

[@jabrha]

@@RuslanKD pheww I was about to send this to my Ethiopian orthodox friends 😂

[@simonplays5982]

@@jabrha im Ethiopian orthodox and when I saw this thumbnail I was super suspicious but happy Ruslan cleared it up

[@ministry77]

"Let your yes be yes and your no be no" Great presentation, thank you, praise Elohim!

[@jeskahaley9616]

I don’t know if this is true about every gnostic book or lost gospel, but a lot of them were also rejected because they were written hundreds of years after the other gospel accounts, and after the people who claimed to have written them had been long, dead… Not to mention, as you spoke about they completely contradict the Bible entirely

[@cosmiccoffee234]

You mean like all the books in the new Testament 🤣

[@war13death]

​@@cosmiccoffee234The New Testament is part of the Bible so it cannot contradict the Bible. Are you trying to say the New Testament contradicts the Torah, Septuagant, or Talmud?

[@mistertattooboy]

I love your painting in the background. where can I get one like it? Thanks

[@mezmurplace9296]

I love this, Ruslan is a soldier of Jesus , bless you🙏

[@tanthepostman245]

While the gnostic gospels are associated w/ the Gnostic community of early Christians, we’re sorta conflating two separate things here. Most scholars believe that the Gospel of Thomas was likely composed around the same time frame as the canonical texts, predating the existence of Gnosticism. The gnostics just happened to gravitate towards some of these “gnostic” texts (like the Gospel of Thomas) & also had their own unique interpretations of the canonical texts - the Gospel of Thomas doesn’t support the notion of a demiurge or even formulate the basis of Gnostic theology, it’s largely congruent w/ the canonical texts. But yes, the last “saying” in the Gospel of Thomas about women becoming men is quite bizarre.

[@crabbit.]

One thing sells me on the resurrection of Jesus completely: all of his apostles were martyred, or were attempted to be killed in John’s case. You do not allow yourself to be killed when you have first hand knowledge of a lie. Especially when the alternative is to be allowed to live if you just renounce.

[@findingdeism3406]

The thumbnail with an arrow to that Bible and the words “Yikes” is absurd! That is the Ethiopian Bible, which is the oldest illustrated Bible in history that didn’t get affected by the Catholic Church. It is the best example of what the early followers were reading as a whole.

[@deathfalcon602]

Man, I thought the exact same thing. Sometimes this channels overly sensationalism (not sure if thats the right word) and clickbaitiness gets to me.

[@bezakuluzelealem1248]

So true. I am sad to see this misinformation. He should change the thumbnail.

[@findingdeism3406]

Exactly. It’s dishonest.

[@creetan9997]

I'm pretry sure the dead sea scrolls, and greek/hebrew manuscripts are older than the Ethiopian bible.

[@findingdeism3406]

@@creetan9997it’s the oldest complete Bible. The others are individual manuscripts that, as you said, are older.

[@Yj-Fj]

The marvellous thing with God is that when He hasn’t revealed some parts of His glory or knowledge or wisdom, no one can find it. And when He chose to reveal the fullness of the Godhead through His only Son, no one can unsee it, so the evil ones try their best to find extra hidden info where there is none.

[@davidmullis1336]

Anyone who has seen The DaVinci Code movie, should also look at The DaVinci Code Falsehoods Uncovered by the late Dr. D. James Kennedy; it covers the most critical 7 major fallacies in the Dan Brown (historical fiction) novel.

[@czar6203]

You should watch the whole intwrview. Especially, when they argue on "truth" on the earlier part. That's ahy Alex kept asking the same question.

[@trentitybrehm5105]

The Apostles willingness to be killed not for saying they believed Jesus had risen, but they knew he had risen, because they saw him. If the tomb wasn't empty, they would've paraded the body around to stomp out any idea of Jesus being ressurrected, but Christianty spread because there was no body in the tomb. If someone stole the body, why were nearly all the Apostles willing to be killed for saying they'd seen Jesus risen? They were thousands of miles away from one another before phones and the internet and were being threaten, tortured, and murdered for their claim. Not one "broke" and said it was a lie to save themselves. The archeology matches the Bible perfectly all the way from Genesis through the New Testament. We have the writing of the disciples of the Apostles and the disciples of those disciples, and they not only quote much of the New Testament, but all the core idea of Christianty are present. Jesus being God, the Son of God, dying for sins, burial, resurrection, ascension to heaven. We also have writing of Jewish and Pagan contemporary historians who were hostile towards Jesus, who say the same things : Jesus being worshipped as God, the Son of God, dying for on the cross, burial, resurrection. The fact that there are contradictions between manuscripts is often sited as proof against trusting scripture, when it actually does the opposite. The fact that there are so many manuscripts makes it easy to tell when someone changed one, and modern Bibles are transparent about any differences in the footnotes. None of those differences found between manuscripts change anything about any core doctrines of Christianity, they are mainly a handwriting error on a letter or a different way to word something that means the same thing. There is also all the undisigned coincidence between not only the four Gospels, but the rest of the New and Old Testaments too. Matthew 2:22 talks about Joseph not wanting to return to Judea after fleeing to Egypt because Archelaus was ruling. That's all the info on that the Bible gives. Josephus, the Jewish historian, tells us about the things Archelaus did and how evil he was. Put these two peices of evidence together, we get the full picture. This sort of thing happens through the text with the seemingly useless details matching up perfectly with extra Biblical sources, lending to the credibility of the text. It's because of the evidence that I believe in Jesus.

[@theNfl_Esq]

The apostles sacrificing their lives is one of the major factors in my belief.

[@trentitybrehm5105]

@@theNfl_Esq For me, it's the extra biblical stuff like the writings of the disciples of the Apostels and the disciples of those disciples, hostile contemporary historians like Josephus and Tacitus, along with the archology.

[@Neversellinout]

gnosticism is basically "spitting out the bone, eat the meat." Make up what you want about the bones. Well said.

[@josephinedow7267]

All the knowledge you need is in God’s Word! Obey it!

[@PatMcCarthy420]

I wish more people knew about the Didache

[@truanashabadapressure6621]

Then they’d cease to be Protestant

[@christopherwatkins7547]

What strikes me about this conversation regarding Gnosticism and Protestantism (being a former Protestant) is how it relates to the Body of Christ and The Church. On one hand @RuslanKD and other Protestants (myself included when I was a Protestant) are saying it’s essential to hold to Jesus having been raised with a literal body, one in which you can see, touch, feel, etc. and then at the same time hold to “The Church” as The Body of Christ to be ethereal, amorphous, invisible 🫥, etc. As though both The Body and The Spirit are similar or the same in being unseeable and untouchable. However, you may KNOW (gnosis) both the Spirit and The Church (and Christ and the Father) by reading about it, studying it, and having someone teach you about it. Then the Gospel is often presented as a secret being revealed, “Do you know where you will spend eternity tonight if you died tonight?” As though some unknowing person has no clue about their eternal destiny and will be consigned to hell unless they too gain this knowledge and believe in this information that will allow their spirit to escape this earth and hell when they die. Then many of them (not all) no longer serve the Eucharist weekly (maybe monthly, quarterly, semi-annually, or on the whim of the pastor when it ties into his/her sermon) and that bread/wine is either a symbol or metaphor about His Body but isn’t His Body. Then to pray to God one must bow their head and close their eyes (to engage the mind?) and often remain very still (don’t involve your body in any way such as with prostrations…it might disrupt the connection of your spirit to the Spirit???). I used to wonder why we held revivals and why we were always searching for the Spirit growing up as a Protestant. Wasn’t the Spirit given to The Church at Pentecost? Does He leave and come back? Can He only be in one local church “body” at a time? I found it odd that thousands were driving from all over the country to attend the revival at Asbury Theological Seminary to witness the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. I would think, isn’t the Spirit in YOUR church? I then found it equally bizarre that at some point the leadership was like, “Listen, we got to end the outpouring of the Spirit and get back to business as usual. We’re a college after all and we can’t just be engaging with God on a regular basis.” How are we supposed to teach ABOUT God if everyone is busy experiencing God? Which it then made me equally worried for many people, many Protestants, whenever the time comes and people begin to say, “Here is Christ” or “He’s over there” or “He’s in the desert” or “in this or that inner room” as it seems many people will abandon their church and flock to another place because “The Church” to them isn’t a definable, tangible, touchable, Body that can be seen and known and found, but rather is ultimately an invisible ethereal thing only discerned through gnosis.

[@williamschunga1357]

14min. Powerful exhortation there Ruslan. Pressed the red bell myself

[@CalebTheSojourner]

Ruslan these videos are absolutely God Honoring, these kinds of challenges to the Christian Faith have plagued the Church for 2000 years and there are always faithful Christians who stand up for the truth. So thank you brother for making your KZbin channels and serving the Kingdom in the way you were called. Channels like Your's, Mike Winger's, Bible Project, Etc. Is a large part of what inspired me to create a Christian KZbin channel centered around Fellowship and proper teachings. (Side note, your music is dope 🔥)

[@toniakohls4625]

While it is true that gnostic is more focused on spiritual than material. The rejection of material is the rejection of the physical self. The “goal” in the gnostic teachings is to shed the material self - the fleshly body, and to become spirits with no physical bodies. This is why 1 John is so important when it says Jesus physically rose from the dead and the Greek tense shows it as a perfect tense meaning it happened and He continues to be in bodily form. This is to counter the gnostic teachings of that time. The gnostic idea that we all go to heaven and live as spirits has infiltrated the Church. It is very rare to hear about our physical bodies being in the restored kingdom.

[@delvingeorge2807]

First Gnostics were the one who rejected Christ Jesus in the Holy Eucharist in John 6. St. Ignatius of Antioch mentioned this.

[@ianflanagan209]

Modern evangelical christianity has a strong streak of Gnosticism in it, the memorial view of the sacraments and rejection of all physical or exterior aspects of christianity for example.

[@davidbako3800]

And they do believers baptism by immersion. Or is that too physical?

[@ianflanagan209]

@@davidbako3800 Nothing wrong with baptism by immersion its just many evangelicals dont think anything truly happens at baptism other than a symbol of profession, they do the baptism as an ordinance. Regardless of what they think about it their baptism still saves rather they think so or not.

[@raphaelfeneje486]

​@@ianflanagan209 And neither do Roman Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy have a foundation in the early church.

[@roeseldelgado]

@@raphaelfeneje486😂😂

[@ianflanagan209]

​@@raphaelfeneje486What are you talking about bro? I'm Lutheran I'm not RC or EO

[@KFish-bw1om]

The fact that all of these who so desperately need for the resurrection to be false, cling to the same obvious inversion of truth which proceeds straight from the mouth of Satan, in and of itself testifies that Christ alone is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. If not, then Satan would not need to come against Him so strongly, using every instrument he has deceived into serving his will. The whole world testifies to the truth in Christ, especially those who oppose Him. Side Note: When dealing with someone who talks out of both sides of their mouth like this. You are either dealing with a serpent, or a fool, and inside the heart of the fool is the serpent who deceives him.

[@joykeebler1916]

- Thomas, was originally, within that to the teachings of the Sadducees

[@rigavitch]

I always thought the Nag Hammedi "gospels" were fraudulent...

[@Tsegoo]

I enjoyed the content but the thumbnail is misleading. The man you see holding an ancient book is an Ethiopian Orthodox Christian with an early copy of the New Testament, not a Gnostic with non-canonical text

[@meralii5897]

100%

[@3within1]

I think you are missing out on how Gnosticism and internal Western Alchemy works, at least in this age. In the Gospel of Thomas, Jesus is speaking metaphorically, not literally. There is an integration of Dark and Light, Masculine and Feminine. Gnosticism is about knowing more externally, but internally. So when he is talking about making her male it he is referring to her integrating her Male or Masculine side.

[@joykeebler1916]

- the song PEOPLE OF THE SOUTH WIND/Kansas

[@roblemeire9441]

In the end, Alex sais that many gnostics believe that an evil spirit created the world. So I'm not so critical to Alex: he got an answer he didn't expect, reacted not quite aligned to it but helped conclude rightly. It is already a half miracle someone like Alex goes so far in the religion discussion, that I think we should be very careful to dismiss him too harshly.

[@JonClash]

8:02 word

[@pepethunder]

There are two narratives here. The one thats telling you “you sinned when you chose to have no self control” and the other that says “the snake is good because it gave you what you wanted”. You figure out which one makes you a more mature person.

[@terrysanau4036]

Ruslan cooked with the bars on the importance of the material world🔥

[@JESUS_SAVES_2747]

God bless you brother. Many so called Christian teachers are using these gnostic gospels to teach some wild goofy stuff.

[@jeanmoro4960]

Amen, Sister. 🙏 ❤❤🎉✝️

[@Neversellinout]

Great video you guys 🕊️ remnant we must come together, unite in the perfect love that cast out fear. Victory in Christ Yehoshua. be kind, not nice

[@yitzharos]

Knowledge and wisdom are still Gold. But this is a faith without works Equation. Live and Walk the Faith. Take up your cross.

[@trevorstrope4549]

I like your videos man, been watching for while... obviously you felt slighted by remarks on live chat. I felt a little slighted when you continued to press me back. Ill say it im sorry probably not the place to make the remarks i did its your livelyhood. Still i think it was somewhat easy to see i just wanted to descalte the guy a little. Father i pray for this channels continue growth and success and that you work on all our hearts to have more heart for each other. Amen.

[@Tony-Pino]

I thank God for the content of Dr. Michael Heiser who taught how to think well. He put up hours of content dismantling gnosticism alone.

[@theNfl_Esq]

Thomas and some of the other apocrypha are definitely not part of the Bible for a reason. However the book of Enoch and everything found in Dead See scrolls (that confirms the gospel) should be included.

[@Houdini176]

I'm not sure why you assume Alex has bad intentions. He's an atheist who is interested in religion - of course Gnosticism is going to seem interesting to him. And based on JP's historical reluctance to say anything explicit about the existence of God or the resurrection, it's natural that Alex would have thought JP would have something interesting to offer wrt Gnosticism. And in fact, that was my impression of the interview. JP didn't resent Alex's line of questions the way you seem to, and he even says that some of Alex's questions are a "genuine line of inquiry". We have every reason to be charitable towards Alex here but for some reason you choose not to be.

[@spohntube09]

Exactly! I'm glad someone else saw it for what it was.

[@joshuagarcia6099]

Compared to having all knowledge. No man can't have much more than the next making just having more knowledge a problem. Knowledge is good but knowledge only leads to more questions and we can never know everything. That is why we have Faith. Because Faith doesn't require knowledge

[@ncdigitalmarketing]

“Some moralists are indifferent to the physical world--they see it as "unimportant", while many others are downright afraid of physical pleasure. Since they are seeking to earn their salvation, they prefer to focus on sins of the physical like sex and the other appetites. These are easier to avoid than sins of the spirit like pride. Therefore, they prefer to see sins of the body as worse than other kinds. As a result, legalism usually leads to a distaste of pleasure. On the other hand, the relativist is often a hedonist, someone who is controlled by pleasure, and who makes it an idol. The gospel leads us to see that God has invented both body and soul and so will redeem both body and soul, though under sin both body and soul are broken. Thus the gospel leads us to enjoy the physical (and to fight against physical brokenness, such as sickness and poverty), yet to be moderate in our use of material things.”

[@dewaynethomas7729]

Perhaps we should take a lesson from Apostle Paul when he said I die daily. I beat my body into subjection to the Spirit. When we start to take our pleasure outside the confines of the WORD then we have gone astray and started down the board road to destruction. Speaking from a personal experience and knowledge. All sin is rooted in pride.

[@christians4891]

Ruslan, any chance you’re going to tackle the claims of Ammon Hill on Danny Jones recently? Big overlap with this topic.

[@Lemireacts]

Oh yes, I was hoping this too.

[@Lemireacts]

Oh yes, I was hoping for this too.

[@iulia1690]

Every step that Iisus took was meaningful

[@johnny_sifu]

I'm glad you guys also caught this. I thought it was a bit disingenuous while watching the full video.

[@Hbmd3E]

To me it looked like Alex was kinda playing devils advocate. Because he managed to draw those important questions out of him, it looks he is for the Truth. Because those questions all were such that believer want to know from him.

[@shakeanbake1985]

I think the conversation was amazing.

[@av1animation]

I really like when Ruslan gets fire up about Jesus, he sounds like the potrayed version of Peter from The Chosen, whenever Matthew would try to get close to Jesus at Season 1. (I did not watch the rest of the seasons of the show, so please: no spoilers)

[@RuslanKD]

Noted!

[@justenejorger1840]

The book that challenged me the most in how I view the spiritual and material and how both are important was 'love thy body' by Nancy Piercy. Society use to value only the material but now it's the opposite. Society now values more the mind/spiritual over the material. We've devalued the material but Scripture shows how both are important. As Jesus coming in bodily form but also rising from the dead shows how important the material is. While preaching on spiritual things.

[@viperstriker4728]

I think spiritual is the wrong word. Mental might fit better. People care about mental health but if you bring up spiritual health and don't look like a hippy....

[@howlingwaters2741]

Well, He didn't walk out, technically. He was beamed up by His Pop🥰

[@jovannabradshaw8056]

We need specific teaching AND to learn how to be Holy Spirit -led!!

[@misterchair]

There are many paths to God.

[@cosmiccoffee234]

I think there's a tendency of fundamentalists to take everything literally. Experience is also knowledge. Not just book knowledge.

[@yitzharos]

It is so strange to me I ser Jordan Peterson as someone who Genuinely seeks God, but has just so slightly wont put away the pride of the flesh. That I can simply say " He rose up out of that cave, and I believe He can also bring us back like Lazuras. " I can say that with confidence.

[@quesostuff1009]

Ami tripping or wasn’t this shown yesterday?

[@RuslanKD]

We talked about it on stream and re shot the beginning and end.

[@spoon32]

What are your thoughts on Ben Carson saying Jesus is Thoth?

[@justincameron9661]

✝️✝️✝️✝️

[@isaacabraham4288]

The intro was fire!!!!!

[@marwood1969]

To the unbeliever, their standard response is 'yes, but'. Yes, but. Yes, but. Yes, but. Yes, but; all the way to a lost eternity. Regardless of the evidence, it's always the same. It's hard not to grow weary of this crashing intellectual pride, although of course we must do our best not to. It always reminds me of the scene in Jaws where Hooper is trying to reason with the Mayor as to why the beaches should so obviously be closed until the shark is caught. Every time he suggests it, the Mayor changes the subject and refuses to face the obvious, until Hooper is completely exasperated and says "I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a man who's lining up to be a hot lunch." More often than not, that's how it feels to talk to these folk.

[@joeskill4663]

It’s amazing…when Protestants need Orthodoxy to help defend their arguments then it’s Orthodoxy to the rescue again..🤷‍♂️😄

[@truanashabadapressure6621]

Which Orthodoxy? The various Orthodox national Churches don’t agree with each other(proper way to baptize, contraception, etc.) Some are Catholic and follow the Pope(Eastern Catholics, Byzantine rite). It’s hard to find harmony between Bishops without Christ’s institution of the Papacy and a Magisterium.

[@9jaForce]

It's Christian doctrine. There's Orthodox which means "the correct way", and there's orthodox which refers to a branch of Christianity. Don't confuse the two.

[@sailingopcy8154]

😢

[@rayignatenco-dallos8092]

Can we take a moment to appreciate Jordan's sports coat?

[@Mrs.CGraves]

Gospel of “Thomas” is the teachings that Knowledge vs repentance and baptism is EXACTLY what Satan told Eve at the Fall.

[@user-oo5be4xs4w]

The simplest, most obvious problem with Gnosticism is that it's an extension of the original sin in the Garden: to know as God knows.

[@fborregoATBeyer]

I think Ruslan didnt understand the pastorsl's use of "preaching the gospel to themselves" that not related to more knowledge. Its remembering what God has said.

[@davidmullis1336]

The Gospel of Thomas was (without dispute by any religious scholarship, known to be) heretically Hindu and unquestionably pseudopigraphical. However, supporting nature worship and almost no God defined absolutes, with the exception of be tolerant and kind, makes it the first among gospels, to all Asian pantheistic religions, New Agers, and religiously rabid moral relativist. To them who wrote it or when, where or for what reason it was written is irrelevant; it's the message (our "itching ears", like) that matters.

[@mikemccabe6258]

His answer about seeing the open tomb: NO one saw Jesus leave the tomb.

[@ShinAkuma204]

Gnosticism is just a rebrand of old school Judaism. Knowledge is you salvation. It's also antiChristian. The only knowledge required that Jesus is our savior and the one true God and the acceptance and belief of this truth.

[@ElCaballoTV]

Alex O'Connor looks like a vampire (no cap)