Jordan Peterson thinks Matt Dillahunty believes in God

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[@Pangburn]

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[@dudega3ing]

Jesus, I'm getting secondhand embarrassment from this..

[@pimentoso]

I can't believe JP's argument... So, if anybody says "I'm an atheist", that person is basically having a mental disorder, They just don't know what they're saying... Really?... That's your best argument in a public debate of ideas?... That you're so smart and so right about your beliefs, and that the rest of us are dumb and crazy?

[@RozkminTo]

I think he wants to say atheists like to cherry pick from christianity just like feminists wants to cherry pick from "mens stuff" completly ignoring core foundation it was build on and dont wanna go to the bottom of the topic to find out the truth. Which is pure ignorance

[@GigaDonk99]

@@RozkminTo ...Like Christians aren’t the ones who are notorious for cherry picking? -.-

[@johncerdena]

JP is psychologists and so what I think when someone says "I don't believe in God", they're basically uttering words that their conscious Ego is saying. Human psyche has all other components that acts together to make sense of the real world and can act independently. Huge part of it is unconscious that's why he's saying, you believe but you just don't know it.

[@pimentoso]

@@johncerdena Being Psycologist and telling other people he is right about everything and they're wrong and dumb about stuff not related to his field of study, that's Ego. He deals with behaviour, emotional and cognitive problems. Period. He is not the judge of other people's knowledge and erudition. In a public debate, he has to debate, not telling others they're crazy. That's for his private practice with his patients.

[@johncerdena]

@@pimentoso I have listened to his podcasts, lectures and debate and he never said anything about him being right all the time. It may seem to appear along in the conversations who makes the most sense. When you make a debate, it's most likely not to avoid the risk of offending someone in the pursuit of truth. At least that's what he said in the Neuman interview.

[@whothehe11]

When Peterson encounters someone with actual intelligence

[@robertpascuttini7144]

Will fun to see that happen one day.

[@andrewhandelsman834]

@@robertpascuttini7144 what do you disagree with Robert

[@LaughinLoneStar]

@@andrewhandelsman834 Robert's a troll, he got nada

[@dudesayingthings]

That's exactly what happened here, lol JP is usually in a land of his own, spinning word clouds and assuming that they make sense. Matt actually brought him down to earth.

[@MMAGamblingTips]

@@thesenate2711 in this particular segment Jordan did get “owned“ is embarrassing because he never admitted being wrong to this day. JBP is a pseudo-intellectual with a cult following. It doesn’t matter what he does or says; his fanbase will run flack for him. He literally serve but he “didn’t get ANY sleep for 28 days” because of bad apple cider, like WTF? He is on an all meat and novegetable diet. You can’t get more ignorant than that.

[@Pizzaguy-jg7so]

Man the patience that Matt displayed over the course of this debate was nothing short of astounding. JP trollish and ignorant mindset would have driven me mad.

[@Bickle121]

Yeah the thing is Peterson and his fans have complained for years about how he’s been unfairly treated in debates and interviews so now people have to be overly nice now otherwise he cries. He spouts nonsense so and he should be called out

[@anshulmehta1603]

Typical charlatan JP. When pushed into a corner make a nonsensical judgement with so much arrogance.

[@dewanmdurnto3592]

Hahaha, I'm surprised no one from his cult came to defend him here in your comment.

[@leelewis6925]

It does make sense. He uses complex words, because it sounds more logical.

[@alborzdkia]

assuming he is arrogant, why then take the trouble to deconstruct why MD did not throw Sam off the stage? if you know something true and essential and are trying to convince others but can only do it through poetic language and references to stories which take metaphysical forms and definitely not logical ones, wouldn't it look similar to someone who is raving like a mad person? unfortunately, you can't see his argument because you can't see what he trying to do.

[@AndresMartinValienteEscurra]

​@@alborzdkia actually he was trying to explain it with no success in this edit because JP was cutting him all the time

[@goranmilic442]

@@dewanmdurnto3592 Peterson gave good point that all people believe in something on faith, if I ask you what you believe, I will ask why that, you will answer, I will say again why that etc., until you reach a point where you can't explain why. Those are your starting points you believe on faith. But then Matt gave brilliant answer that starting points are not given on faith, you can have any starting points, change them and see what are the best starting points. Ultimately, it doesn't matter are they explainable or not, they work. It was a good debate.

[@sweetmusic846]

Jordan really really underestimated Matt

[@iseriver3982]

Matt is one of the reasons Jordan doesn't really leave his cabal of yes men now.

[@iseriver3982]

@Soshu Greene why am I his yes man? How many hard interviews has peterson had since this debate? He only hangs around with the idw, religious and anti science crowd.

[@OrangeUtan1]

Peterson was clearly frustrated because he was calling out his bs

[@friedrichnietzsche7376]

@Forever Nate No they are just rational human beings who happen to agree with the guy who is not Jordan Peterson.

[@ajs5753]

I'll never forget this debate. Sadly my view of Jordan was forever lessened from these conversations. But it's for the best ;)

[@wDoucheCanoe]

@Tyler B #2 how so?

[@steven5054]

And he blamed his poor showing on apple-cider! Take responsibility bucko!

[@uninspired3583]

@Tyler B #2 that is literally the least interesting point any of these intellectual leaders have discussed. Could talk about how we can know things, what counts as evidence, what beliefs are, how we classify and react to moral decisions... Number of genders in existence has zero impact to most of these topics. The only place it comes in is where douchebags treat people poorly because they have a different opinion about identity. And to that point we are all clear, bigotry is immoral.

[@davidlee4903]

No one deserves a pedestal.

[@ajs5753]

@Tyler B #2You know u can have a conversation with Mr.Dillahunty, nearly every Sunday? The athiest experience. Very enlightening show. Id love to here you tell Matt "you don't know science" XD Id be terrified

[@nociable]

Peterson is such an inflated balloon of hot air...

[@Qstandsforred]

To be fair, they both are.

[@nociable]

@@Qstandsforred, I am not sure about that, but to indulge you I am going to say that Matt may come across as arrogant sometimes, but never without reason and never right of the bet. If you keep pushing his buttons and dance around a question he will try to bring you back, and if you continue your dance, prepare yourself for a Matt that will tell you “Enough !”. With Matt there is no word salads alla Jordanesque, going on circles and saying things not even you can decipher. He is a straight shooter who doesn’t get lost in a labyrinth of definitions and over exaggerated trains of thought that have been flying off track for a while, he stays on track and pays attention to what is said. I could go on and on, but I hope you get the idea...

[@notsure6222]

@@nociable Well to be fair he does admit on several debates that he has a massive ego (albeit jokingly) and has admitted on his show that he might a bit of an ass, but he is still respectful, wise and doesn't rely on heavy jargon to confuse the person hes engaging with. Jordan thinks, nobody can know what he knows, hes like a teen discovering "new ideas" for the first time after getting high..

[@toAdmiller]

@@Qstandsforred Nope. Matt speaks eloquently and takes great pains to show the weakness of arguments and to define things clearly, whereas JP seems to be dining at the Deepak Chopra food bar of word salad and "deepities"...

[@rainofkhandaq6678]

Like most people, Peterson has some good takes, and some bad takes.

[@Sumiyeco_boutique]

I kinda feel embarrassed for Jordan....😣

[@skullduggerysmiles8393]

Paterson, a legend in his own eyes, a man who loves the sound of his own voice.

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

You spelled "Dillahunty" wrong.

[@bulkvanderhuge9006]

JBP is like that south park episode where everybody starts shitting out of their mouths.

[@rutherford5619]

I don't know man that joke doesn't work properly, fix it

[@themoz2217]

The way peterson acts and what he says is one of the most arrogant things i think i’ve ever heard. He jbasicly just decided what another human beings thinks and he that other person is actually saying. He completely dehumanized Matt. and his body language as well… fffffff

[@robertpascuttini7144]

Did he?

[@colethompson8962]

Ah yes, jordan has committed the "Ray Comfort" fallacy of telling matt that he really does believe in god

[@it6647]

What's that?

[@marcbaxter5996]

What kind of drugs is JP on this time? His behaviour is stranger than that of a tweaker.

[@madcamdisease]

Unsure on that particular day but definitly high on something

[@davyroger3773]

@@madcamdisease Most likley looks like withdrawals , he looks very uncomfortable here

[@heartquaker427]

It depends what do you mean by drugs? 😉 also it depends what do you mean by strange behavior? 😂

[@arisrayden]

benzos, something that he as a psychologist should have kown better than most people not to mess with

[@2l84me8]

Imagine having the nerve to insist you know someone’s thoughts better than they do.

[@monsterhuntervideos4446]

He never claimed that though. Only that he was showing signs of doubt by the way he sounded and I agree with that. He did sound doubtful in his tone. If I see that someone is upset and I say to them, "Something is bothering you" does that mean I 'm claiming to know their mind more than they do? Of course not. A person can be trained to see outward signs, body language, mannerisms, etc that let them know some things that are going on in the the person's mind. That's not the same thing as mind reading or knowing every thought is it? I mean you don't even need to be trained to do this. We do it intuitively as humans all the time.

[@milzhere]

@@monsterhuntervideos4446 you're reading into it based on a preconceived bias. If there were any rationality to your judgement, you wouldn't have to default to "i know what you think/feel better than you do", you could prove your assumption by making them work through their own logic to that endpoint. Peterson was out of his depth in this one, and defaulted to an embarrassing "argument" of subjectivity.

[@monsterhuntervideos4446]

@@milzhere No, everything I said makes sense. We can see doubt by mannerisms and body language. That's not a debate issue and has nothing to do with bias.

[@milzhere]

@@monsterhuntervideos4446 No, you can't. A mannerism can be interpreted in thousands of different ways, and assuming one must 100% be a sign of doubt is just what you WANT it to be based on bias. He could have easily just been considering how to phrase his argument (the most likely option by a mile). Again, if it were a valid claim, you'd be able to show that doubt within their argument using logic. And that would be more valid than your subjective interpretation of body language. But you can't, because it isn't a valid claim. You hear a certain tone and ascribe doubt to it, but that doesn't mean you're right. Even body language "experts" are often vague and often jump to false conclusions. It's not a science or form of evidence by any means.

[@monsterhuntervideos4446]

@@milzhere I never said it was an exact science and mistakes are not made, but nevertheless, it's something we all experience. Sometimes we can just see doubt or that something's wrong. Human beings just have an inherent ability to somewhat read people. Who said anything about it being science? In my experience I've been right most of the time when detecting a feeling in someone by body language. We don't need to know the science behind how we're able to do that in order to experience that we do it, anymore than I need to fully understand my brain to be able to use it.

[@davidrodriguez4016]

"I am right and you are wrong because, you know, DOSTOIEVSKI" - Jordan Peterson

[@santiagoabliterature]

I know right, his evidence is a fictional character, like all religious people

[@S.D.323]

To be fair dostoevsky is a great writer

[@jesperjee]

Jordan really has high opinions of himself. And a cult following because people can't follow what he says and therefore "he smart"

[@janglandis773]

Oh please listen to JP. He knows so much about self-esteem. In fact, he is an expert on EVERYTHING. His recent and latest expertise is Christianity. He isn't doing so great on the political front, but never mind, he's switched to religion. I believe everything JP tells me because he uses these big words I don't understand. That tells me right off that he's smarter than I am. Last night I prayed to JP for clarity and in a dream he told me he was god. And I believed him, cuz like I said he uses all these biggly words. And just lately on twitter, he told me which women are beautiful and which are not so that I now know heavier set women are very unattractive, so I am ditching my present girlfriend and looking for one that only eats beef and salt. Also one that doesn't wear makeup because women who wear makeup are inviting sexual harassment. This is something he actually said, (look it up) By his own admission he was accused three times of sexual harassment by former students who were probably wearing makeup. And I know he is right about all this because he is god and uses all these big words. I rely entirely on JP to tell me what to think. I never question him. I Pray in Jordan Peterson's name, Amen. TThsakzbin.info/www/bejne/jJvCnYGIftGWqrs

[@accidentalfinder4916]

Wow this is a totally different look at JP. I admit I'm quite an admirer of his, but in this video, omg, he's pure cringe.

[@unintelligibleanti-chud158]

I saw this debate live - dude is a fking hack if there ever was one. You guys got conned.

[@ew1068]

Exposed for what he is. And Matt was handling him with kid gloves here compared to how he handles morons calling his podcast.

[@rainofkhandaq6678]

@@ew1068 Some of you are very fragile. There are good takes, and bad takes. Peterson could be out of his mind on one topic, but completely sound, and right on another. It isn't black and white, show me a collective of poor takes, then fair enough.

[@ElectricLadyland87]

Keep digging, hes a charlatan lol. Whenever he speaks to actual experts in a field other than psychology he looks like a fool.

[@micaholson4876]

Same

[@ChillAssTurtle]

JP is intellectually bankrupt

[@speedbagboxer7451]

Damn I’ve listened to Peterson a lot n never knew he had these views. Now I’m starting to second guess how smart he really is. Kinda sucks...

[@Charmolution]

Didn't he himself say something to the effect that if you have a conversation with someone and the majority of it is garbage but you can take one useful thing away from it in the end, then it was worthwhile? Well, in the grand scheme of all of his lectures, this would be considered the garbage.

[@rainofkhandaq6678]

i would suggest deep diving in to his other religion videos to see what he is talking about here. These two aren't even on the same page.

[@Zac200812]

@@rainofkhandaq6678 Lol, who's videos? Do you mean Matt's where he deconstructs the bible or do you mean Jordan's where he reads way too much into it. Honestly I found this debate fascinating because it showed to me the appeal of Jordan Peterson while at the same time showing why I don't like him. JP has a very interesting and symbol heavy take on his approach to reality. He uses his philosophy to extract meaning from narratives and give you an interesting take on both the story and the message of that story. However, as you can tell from the rest of this debate, that approach to reality is often obfuscated by his interpretations. So much so he can't even admit atheists exist. Pragmatically his way of thinking just isn't going to pull any weight. You need a baseline perspective like Matt's so you don't sink into the kind of sophistry JP wallows in.

[@MMAGamblingTips]

@@Charmolution Except he also says that you don’t need any greens in your diet; he lost the debate because he drank bad apple cider - so he’s not taking responsibility - but passing it off or some bullshit; has said women only wear makeup to work to make men horny; told Joe Rogan that he literally didn’t sleep at all in 25 days; and has continued to make presuppositions on God and morality.

[@Charmolution]

@@MMAGamblingTips Yep, and that's all garbage. Doesn't mean one should dismiss everything he says out of hand just because he was the one who said it. He does have good insights on certain subjects, just as he sounds like an idiot here.

[@skepticallyskeptic]

" are you sure you want to go there?" " im not afraid of anything " * proceeds to not go there and go off in a tangent instead

[@otakurocklee]

What Peterson is saying here is so offensive. Look at the logical conclusion of what he's saying. The entire population of the world that doesn't believe in god (including Buddhists) according to him, are incapable of compassion fairness or empathy. It's ridiculous.

[@darranoshea4824]

Morally and philosophically, what he is saying is far worse. Peterson's entire argument, like William Lane Craig before him, is that those people get compassion, empathy and fairness from god whether or not they believe in god. And the fact that are here with language skills to have this debate is the only proof we could ever need of gods existence.

[@BK-hp6fv]

That's not what he's saying at all, you've taken it out of context or just simply misunderstood

[@majestic-domination]

@@darranoshea4824 It's just simple stupidity. There is no complicated moral dilemma or philosophy here. Replace "god" with "flying cow", and we have the same result. Jordan is just stalling for time and running in circles, just like most apologists.

[@davidvargas7422]

He’s not saying that at all. His argument of morality is not that you don’t have a sense of morality without God, but rather that you can’t logically explain it without an objective validation that would regard it as moral or immoral, otherwise it’s just a matter of opinion. His other point about acting like you believe in a god speaks more to the psychology of individuals. The majority of the world, whether they claim to believe in a god or not centers their psychology around some aspect of their life that takes the place of God or a god, consciously or subconsciously. You may not believe that there is a god but if you are doing okay in your life you have something taking his place. “True atheist” who do not have anything filling the void of god have trouble living under basic social norms because there is no form of objective structure that makes sense to them.

[@andres.e.]

@@davidvargas7422 Well said!

[@diegonzalez25]

Jeepak Choperson

[@zekeyeager8574]

The quantum metaphysical substrate of the quantum ethos I'm sorry

[@unintelligibleanti-chud158]

That high-pitched laugh in the background was me and my friends.

[@AfrewSpines]

And you're saying OTHER people are being cringe?

[@nicksamuel8324]

Time stamp pleeeease

[@boblangford5514]

Why is the audio so low???

[@MasonTaylor22]

OP doesn't understand volume normalization.

[@boblangford5514]

@@MasonTaylor22 I guess I don't. Please explain it to me.

[@MMAGamblingTips]

@@boblangford5514 He’s not talking to you. He is talking about Pangburn having an equalizer problem.

[@jdtown6585]

just by Peterson's tone and body language, you can see that he feels very threatened by Dillahunty. He's acting like an insecure 10th grader trying to fit it with the 12th grade class.

[@nollattacykel]

JP shows how overrated he is. Matt is running circles around him.

[@aemontarg6934]

Can’t afford to pay you guys to not recycle fake comments ?

[@nated0g43]

if u want to see the same thing happen but only in reverse watch matt vs cosmic sceptic

[@nollattacykel]

@@aemontarg6934 What?

[@nollattacykel]

@@nated0g43 Cosmic Sceptic and Matt don't hold opposite views regarding religion as far as I know, do they? When was this?

[@aemontarg6934]

@@nollattacykel You are a paid actor to make polarizing comments, using recycled comments I've seen dozens of times.

[@CamRebires]

0:53 that's a juicy wtf-face right there

[@ShutUpWesley]

Plot twist. Peterson actually do not believe in God.🤯

[@numbo655]

I am constantly mindblown that Jordan Peterson has a following.

[@janglandis773]

Oh please listen to JP. He knows so much about self-esteem. In fact, he is an expert on EVERYTHING. His recent and latest expertise is Christianity. He isn't doing so great on the political front, but never mind, he's switched to religion. I believe everything JP tells me because he uses these big words I don't understand. That tells me right off that he's smarter than I am. Last night I prayed to JP for clarity and in a dream he told me he was god. And I believed him, cuz like I said he uses all these biggly words. And just lately on twitter, he told me which women are beautiful and which are not so that I now know heavier set women are very unattractive, so I am ditching my present girlfriend and looking for one that only eats beef and salt. Also one that doesn't wear makeup because women who wear makeup are inviting sexual harassment. This is something he actually said, (look it up) By his own admission he was accused three times of sexual harassment by former students who were probably wearing makeup. And I know he is right about all this because he is god and uses all these big words. I rely entirely on JP to tell me what to think. I never question him. I Pray in Jordan Peterson's name, Amen. TThsakzbin.info/www/bejne/jJvCnYGIftGWqrs

[@papawheelie1645]

'You can't reduce the world to seven propositions' reduces it down to 1. Good job Peterson lol

[@MahanFarzad]

exactly!

[@skepticallyskeptic]

He said to a set of propositions.. not 7

[@authorbhattacharjee4957]

This is just sad Just sad

[@denominatorq8693]

assumptions are not self-evidential, absolutely certain truths. I always see Peterson having a rough time distinguishing between what is significantly believed as true and absolute truth

[@arisrayden]

peterson has stated on his first apperance on sam harris' podcast, that he does not believe in absolute truth. he refused to acknowledge that 2 + 2 = 4 even when it was pointed out to him that its an axiomatic truth. they went on and on in circles because harris wanted to give peterson an out but peterson refused and claimed that "something is only true if its beneficial to humanity" make of that what you will but what this tells me is that he is giving himself permission to lie whenever he feels that his lie is more beneficial to humanity than the truth

[@nancymatro8029]

Peterson always assumes the lobster position (hunched over posture), when he's getting his ass kicked. Those of you who have read his book will know what I mean.

[@bobmusil1458]

Imagine the outrage if I claimed that all the religious people don't really belive in God; the just think they do.

[@Lasselucidora]

Debating and promote Jordan Peterson gives of course some money. Former religious leaders have a problem doing an honest job. The only thing they are good at is convincing people they are right. To do that they need idiots that tries to argue for religion. It was fun 10-15 years ago. Now they are even recycling old debates.

[@TheGuiltsOfUs]

The new deepak chopra!

[@Bickle121]

With this logic why does he specify art ? Surely with his logic we would lose literally everything because he’s claiming GOD does exist

[@lukesmithasada]

Jordan Peterson's voice is like an alarm for how cringe everything he says is.

[@waltercano3224]

How disapointing is Jordan, he tries to redefine atheism on his behalf.

[@redmed10]

Peterson seems to confuse God with religion.

[@Junnepie]

He said himself that he acts as if he believes in god. From a other video

[@redmed10]

@@Junnepie I know what he has said. He was forced to say it after he kept on dancing on the head of a pin. He likes the stories of the judeo Christian. Most Christians believe in a god. Peterson doesn't. Most people who know Peterson do not know that about him. All religions have their stories.

[@Joshcaldwell24]

@@redmed10 you haven’t seen his more recent interviews then lol

[@aice336]

@@Joshcaldwell24 yo can you tell me which recent interviews you mean? i wanna watch em

[@redmed10]

@@Joshcaldwell24 Perhaps you can tell us what he has said in these recent interviews instead of teasing with vague statements. Its just good manners.

[@davidh.503]

A Volcano "God" doesn't do shi* for my worth, "intrinsic" or otherwise...

[@akwenda3678]

This was embarrassing

[@MasonTaylor22]

EQ is too low. You need to normalize the volume in your videos.

[@st3ppenwolf]

Jordan sounding like a homeless guy selling pencils from a cup.. what a let down

[@rogue8533]

Yes, he had to went to rehab.

[@twowardrobeswardrobes1536]

Peterson always comes across a little desperate when talking about God or religion. I get the feeling that he wouldn’t ‘back that horse’ but is obliged to because his audience demands it. If he loses the right-wing religious crowd, he loses his cash cow.

[@Justmekpc]

Jordan sure liked interrupting people when he knows they’ve proved him wrong. 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️ he speaks for hours and never says anything 😂😂

[@paulmasgalajian8102]

One of the very few times that my conclusions were not identical to Jordan Peterson's was his belief that Marxism is synonymous with Secular Humanism. In fact, they are two entirely different realities. Many people confuse and often equate Secular Humanism, Marxism, as well as Paganism as if they were one in the same. Secular humanism is the philosophy that reason through cognition is the most accurate, but by no means "only", vehicle by which human society may achieve development in its structures, values, and civil interactions. It is devoid of dogmas and absolute notions. A Classical Liberal (a modern- day rarity) is more often than not a secular humanist. Marxism is a RELIGION, a non theistic religion replete with dogmas and philosophical orthodoxy. Marxist societies are indistinguishable in form from Catholicism ! One may find the local cadres (parish priests), commissars (prelates), government officials or politburo (College of Cardinals), and Party General Secretary (Pope). It is a ridged hierarchical pyramid like the Roman Church. And even Paganism is a form of religious thinking whereby union with the Absolute Truth or reality is through identification with nature and its phenomenology. Today's political polarization has regrettably neutralized Classical Liberalism in the public forum and relegated it to theoretical study in college classrooms. Rather sad when one realizes that even a critical thinker like Dr. Peterson doesn't see it !

[@jasone.7272]

I didn’t even know Peterson was an apologetic.

[@Thor.Jorgensen]

A lot of people don't seem to be aware. But Jordan Peterson is very politically conservative and politically resides in the right spectrum. Yes, he is "religious," but he's self-aware enough that people don't believe in Christianity as people once used to believe. That is to say, literally to believe in an almighty God in heaven who created humanity from lumps of clay. So Peterson is on a mission to redefine Christianity and changing what is required to be religious. But also for people to reinforce their reliance on religious institutions. However, most of this is out of fear of the opposite political spectrum. Peterson believes in the old Cold War narrative that godlessness equals socialism and communism and that socialism and communism equal death and destruction. That is why it is better to keep people religious, according to Peterson.

[@jasone.7272]

@@Thor.Jorgensen Peterson is clearly someone who also thinks he can read minds and if not still has the authority to tell people they believe in god just because they don’t go around hurting people which is a combination of crazy and narcissistic. Absolutely have no respect for this guy and personally believe he’s gritting at this point and doesn’t truly believe half of what he’s saying.

[@Thor.Jorgensen]

​@@jasone.7272 Yeah, well. Most people who listen to him critically have dubbed him a political pundit, a charlatan, and a self-help guru. Since the majority of what he's known for is politics. He uses many "big words" in vague redefined meanings apart from their traditional meaning so that it becomes nigh impossible for anyone to understand what he's saying unless you repeatedly ask him to elaborate, which can take hours. And then finally, he uses his fame and credentials as an authority figure to sell books on self-improvement, in the style of "12 quick life hacks" or "how to get rich quick" and then me monetize on this, essentially praying and profiting on peoples' credulity. He's your typical social conservative opportunist.

[@JohnDavidBalla1927]

Matt at his best, and Jordan at his most absurdly worst.

[@Mr_T.]

I think this is Peterson at his best:(

[@pauls.6360]

Jordan Peterson believes in the dog shit he tracked into the theater on that fateful day. I wish I had been there joining the laughter after every utterance of his balderdash. One can immediately tell that he has a BIG problem with a comfortability. He's all over the place, and would rather say something ridiculous than rest on his laurels.

[@TheZenith12345]

What a twisted mind Peterson has, the man who can talk for 1 hour straight without giving an answer. Sounds religious to me 🤔

[@buzzbee8869]

Deepak shopra and jp would make a wonderful salad😂

[@cody1804]

Straighten up Peterson! That position (leaned forward with elbows on knees) means you lost :)

[@Ray013]

Mock cherries, mock plums and Jordan Peterson...mock intelligence.

[@bobbynomates958]

If only Dillahunty threw Peterson off the stage, and while he's at it, throw himself off too

[@JohnJP1016]

I want to hear what is demonstrably true that’s not a proposition. Peterson teased

[@mpfmax0]

For Peterson (and a lot of other people too considering how the word is used ) truths are not just logically consistent statements that match reality. He believes truths are also assumptions embedded in your behavior, assumptions that you act as if they are truth. Some of these are really complex (you can ask why over and over again and unravel are pretty large chain of assumptions) and you will fumble really hard into trying to put it into neat propositions that are demonstrably true and logically follow from each other. You can see this in the endless story of moral philosophy, for example Kant builds a massive framework for morality and then it gets smashed by critics like Nietzsche. Basically in his wider concept of truth it is not quite that easy to state all truths in propositions.

[@JohnJP1016]

@@mpfmax0 I tend to agree, as under extreme circumstances how the individual perceives/experiences reality itself can be altered. (Think 1984) i also tend to agree actions speak louder than rules

[@cloudambient]

try watching the full video to get a completely different take than this one clip very much out of context.

[@JohnJP1016]

@@cloudambient I did. I’m a Peterson fan. Still didn’t hear it. If u did pls give time stamp

[@cloudambient]

@@JohnJP1016 Dillahunty gives an example in a debate with Ken Ham, and Peterson discusses his definition of "God" in a different video. They don't define terms with each other very well in this video.

[@user-ri9cn2rs5i]

Jesus this is my first time listening to Jordan Peterson speak and he’s obnoxious af. Keeps saying interrupting and not even letting Matt finish.

[@baaldiablo8459]

Have you been living in a hole?

[@user-ri9cn2rs5i]

@@baaldiablo8459 no. I never bothered to actually listen to him even though I knew of him. I finally did bother and regret that I did.

[@dewanmdurnto3592]

@@user-ri9cn2rs5i you didn't miss anything of value but saved yourself from the frustration caused by seeing men take this pseudo hack as some sort of intellectual and saviour of western civilization.

[@niranjan.a.r5135]

Anyone in the comment section understand what JP said ?

[@Thor.Jorgensen]

Yes, we did. And he's wrong.

[@rogue8533]

Yes, everyone.

[@reneesantiago6496]

Peterson is on something and that's a shame because this is a serious debate!

[@Ameu-dude]

I am and egoist and it's in my best interest to have the world take shape along the lines I want it to. There, you have it: - Morality without religion. (The 'want' here is created partially by the evolved brain structure and topography and partially by self thought, or the way in which a child thinks)

[@haemind]

The Peterson talking in this video was more like a low resolution replica of his usual self and the full idea. Peterson is not really listening to Dillahunty and is viewing him rather as the stereotypical oppositional force of his main claims revolving around Christianity (which are valid to some aspects). I genuinely enjoyed the humorous atmosphere and hope that I could see this interaction in a more well staged environment.

[@piotrskaa9803]

Why would Matt throw Sam Harris off the stage?

[@anonymousviewer383]

1:45 the moment u realized that JP is just man-child who just wants to win and not learn from his opponents

[@jetsteeltherealdeal7827]

He does believe in God he’s just throwing a temper tantrum at him

[@jjeKKell]

Jordan's performance here was obviously effected by his drug addiction at the time. Not only is his logic a bit irrational, and quick from the hip, but even the way he keeps leaning in here, chuckling along the way, it's unlike him.

[@GeroG3N]

He wasn't addicted, he had a paradoxical reaction to benzodiazepines

[@jjeKKell]

@@GeroG3N you can have a paradoxical reaction and still be physically addicted to the substance. It's why paradoxical reactions are so dangerous, otherwise just quit. Meanwhile, Pangburn keeps posting clips from this debate (now years old), and the comment section revels in it - not realizing, JBP is fighting here with one hand tied behind his back.

[@GeroG3N]

@@jjeKKell Oh sure. He was physically addicted. I thought you meant psychologically addicted

[@painless4785]

@@jjeKKell Noone forced him on-stage.

[@jjeKKell]

@@painless4785 nor did I say so.. doesn't change the fact he was incapacitated

[@paulorodriguesalves7604]

Anyone that has followed JP's work, interviews and debates can see that there's something off. He is different here.

[@stonetemplepilot420]

Yeah he's actually talking to somebody who challenges his views.

[@paulorodriguesalves7604]

@@stonetemplepilot420 if it weren't for the fact that in nearly all interviews or political discussions his views are aggressively challenged your reply would make sense.

[@stonetemplepilot420]

@@paulorodriguesalves7604 I was going to say "challenged by somebody intelligent" but you're right that distinction is important.

[@paulorodriguesalves7604]

@Valentine Vanessa nah. Watch Jordan peterson's debate against Sam harris, for example. He was just as challenged, maybe even more, and JP didn't loose his composure. When I see JP losing his temper I can't help to think that he was having a bad day or something.

[@keithohanlon6191]

Yep. Way out of his depth. A very angry man.

[@josephcurreri9289]

I think I accidentally stumbled into the Matt dilahunty fanboy club

[@janglandis773]

Oh please listen to JP. He knows so much about self-esteem. In fact, he is an expert on EVERYTHING. His recent and latest expertise is Christianity. He isn't doing so great on the political front, but never mind, he's switched to religion. I believe everything JP tells me because he uses these big words I don't understand. That tells me right off that he's smarter than I am. Last night I prayed to JP for clarity and in a dream he told me he was god. And I believed him, cuz like I said he uses all these biggly words. And just lately on twitter, he told me which women are beautiful and which are not so that I now know heavier set women are very unattractive, so I am ditching my present girlfriend and looking for one that only eats beef and salt. Also one that doesn't wear makeup because women who wear makeup are inviting sexual harassment. This is something he actually said, (look it up) By his own admission he was accused three times of sexual harassment by former students who were probably wearing makeup. And I know he is right about all this because he is god and uses all these big words. I rely entirely on JP to tell me what to think. I never question him. I Pray in Jordan Peterson's name, Amen. TThsakzbin.info/www/bejne/jJvCnYGIftGWqrs

[@JeremiahStewart102]

Maybe you should look at the entire debate before you make claims about one person or another

[@cloudambient]

I was gonna say the same thing. I've watched hours and hours and hours of videos of each of these guys individually, I like them both quite a bit. It's worth noting that they don't share the same definition of what "God" is either.

[@GigaDonk99]

Watching the entire debate exposes JP’s stupidity even more lol

[@bijness2000]

Fuck! I love Matt!!!!

[@BrandonGonzalez-zd7tu]

Honestly, despite the many disagreements I have with JP, I admire him. He really comes at ideas from a unique angle and really makes me think about my own stances in ways I haven't heard before. However, every time I hear him talk about religion, he falls flat. It seems when it comes to everything outside of religion, he's willing to question even the most basic assumptions we've never even considered could be flawed. He seems to be the opposite on religion, it seems like he just runs with all the assumptions God/religion makes, to the point of forcing it in places it's completely wrong, as shown in this clip.

[@misstrunchbull3953]

@@chinopisces he's not a dope fiend haha he just had the audacity to believe he could step down off the meds on his own

[@janglandis773]

Oh please listen to JP. He knows so much about self-esteem. In fact, he is an expert on EVERYTHING. His recent and latest expertise is Christianity. He isn't doing so great on the political front, but never mind, he's switched to religion. I believe everything JP tells me because he uses these big words I don't understand. That tells me right off that he's smarter than I am. Last night I prayed to JP for clarity and in a dream he told me he was god. And I believed him, cuz like I said he uses all these biggly words. And just lately on twitter, he told me which women are beautiful and which are not so that I now know heavier set women are very unattractive, so I am ditching my present girlfriend and looking for one that only eats beef and salt. Also one that doesn't wear makeup because women who wear makeup are inviting sexual harassment. This is something he actually said, (look it up) By his own admission he was accused three times of sexual harassment by former students who were probably wearing makeup. And I know he is right about all this because he is god and uses all these big words. I rely entirely on JP to tell me what to think. I never question him. I Pray in Jordan Peterson's name, Amen. TThsakzbin.info/www/bejne/jJvCnYGIftGWqrs

[@hatersgotohell627]

Can you make the volume lower please!

[@brentparkes1]

Here is a guy (Peterson) whose arrogance is only exceeded by his muddled conversation. I don't say the following of everyone but he needs to live more and study less and he will be a more balanced person. Oh and don't you love the way someone thinks they know another's mind better than the person themselves. He's is a very unimpressive person in my view.

[@robertpascuttini7144]

LOL! where is he arrogant?

[@bradwilson5552]

Ehh - that mic looks like a huge mole thing at first.

[@paulwalker797]

More ridiculous gibberish from Peterson.

[@sladey21]

Jordan Peters on seems High in this

[@MarlboroughBlenheim1]

Wasn’t Peterson unwell during this time?

[@domwings4329]

JP is a pseudo intellectual

[@tlakits16]

I really don't understand what's "embarrassing" about this? I'm imagining people making a mockery of JP are atheist's not really understand what JP was saying here.

[@everybodyb3cool836]

JP has no reason to believe that matt believes in god so he just claims that he does, that is what he is saying.

[@crashoverride2345]

Its was just cringy. JP came off as arrogant and petulant. He was constantly interrupting Matt. He was making ridiculous assertions about what others, including Matt think, when he was 6 feet away from him. He could have just asked. He was dismissive of good arguments despite the absence of presenting any himself. Its was hard to watch. Then YOU come in saying that atheists cant discern what he means, as if they were talking about quantum mechanics or string theory. Lol. What do you think was difficult to follow in the 4 min clip?

[@GigaDonk99]

JP used the word "metaphysical" so many times it sounded like he was just repeating a big word he recently learned over and over again in a desperate attempt to sound smart. It made me cringe after the third time he said it.

[@justinfendelet8675]

Music is proof of God - Carlos Santana ...

[@yuxtaman1729]

Furries are proof of god - A furry lover, probably

[@hambone8820]

Can theist prove atheist secretly believe in God?

[@rogue8533]

No they can't.

[@arisrayden]

they cant even prove they believe in god, nor can they prove the existance of their god. all they make are complicated appeals to authority and circular reason

[@kevinhooper8859]

Jordan Peterson talking with matt sounds like a 12 year old discussing the intricacies of sex. Clueless.

[@opopulista8134]

let me hear the conclusion of matt dillahunty argument, it's unfair you guys jordan debunking him and then cut matt's answer

[@uninspired3583]

You should probably watch the full debate then, because the whole thing is an organic conversation, no good time to make edits. Seriously, look them up, very much worth your time.

[@Andres64B]

Peterson is such a clown.

[@Lucas20520]

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if just this clip turns some JP fans into MD fans. That was so pathetic and cringy. No wonder dude is addicted to benzos. Probably needs them to distract himself from people calling out his bull shit.

[@SamuelXProjects]

What on earth is going on in this comment section! Have I just stumbled upon the atheists favourite channel? Recall this pangburn lot being tossed aside by Jordan Brett Sam etc after some very poor business.. wonder if that has something to do with it..

[@manuelalvarez2523]

This debate was Jordan's worst public appearance. He's a brilliant mind and his arguments about morality and religion cannot be easily thrown away. I hope he can meet more "atheists" in the future and make his case with more clarity, so the people that criticise him for this dabate can realise that he's not mocking around with these topics.

[@notsure6222]

He was pretty clear, unless you take hard drugs, you are worthless and cant deal with harsh tasks like quitting smoking, depression etc. As a psychologist that's an utterly stupid and scary thing to say..I hope he has no clients or I know where they'd end up..

[@stevec8555]

Matt was disingenuous. Jordan spoke with honesty. Other than Matt’s unwillingness to understand Jordan’s intellectual concepts such as mataphorical substrate of ethos, that’s the main difference between the two.

[@notsure6222]

@@stevec8555 if you are not joking, you couldn’t get any more confused lol

[@ew1068]

JP is a charlatan. Some of us aren’t easily impressed by word salads. Sorry.

[@janglandis773]

Oh please listen to JP. He knows so much about self-esteem. In fact, he is an expert on EVERYTHING. His recent and latest expertise is Christianity. He isn't doing so great on the political front, but never mind, he's switched to religion. I believe everything JP tells me because he uses these big words I don't understand. That tells me right off that he's smarter than I am. Last night I prayed to JP for clarity and in a dream he told me he was god. And I believed him, cuz like I said he uses all these biggly words. And just lately on twitter, he told me which women are beautiful and which are not so that I now know heavier set women are very unattractive, so I am ditching my present girlfriend and looking for one that only eats beef and salt. Also one that doesn't wear makeup because women who wear makeup are inviting sexual harassment. This is something he actually said, (look it up) By his own admission he was accused three times of sexual harassment by former students who were probably wearing makeup. And I know he is right about all this because he is god and uses all these big words. I rely entirely on JP to tell me what to think. I never question him. I Pray in Jordan Peterson's name, Amen. TThsakzbin.info/www/bejne/jJvCnYGIftGWqrs

[@victorantonio6131]

It seems to me that Matt literally admitted to being a psychopath who only does things for his own gain and y’all out here talking about Peterson? Matt literally decided to call himself a psychopath because he doesn’t want to admit that humans have intrinsic value. Weird. Almost manipulative

[@a.skywalker4882]

I admired JP, one of the finest grifters there is at this moment on Planet earth.

[@victorantonio6131]

@@a.skywalker4882 ?? I’m wondering why nobody is talking about how Matt literally resorted to labeling himself as a psychopath in order to hang on to his atheist viewpoint. Very strange thing to do.

[@CyeOutsider]

​@@victorantonio6131 Nobody is responding because your interpretation of what Matt said is either dishonest or ignorant and not worth bothering with.

[@swagikuro]

Jordan Peterson, the pseudo intellectual's genius.

[@edaguilar1798]

This is true One of my old favorite artists Would have nothing to write about unless he was constantly questioning and being influenced by christianity despite his hatred for it. Its ironic that the thing he hate the most is what created him.

[@nihilistlivesmatter]

One swallow does not a summer make

[@edaguilar1798]

@@nihilistlivesmatter A sobering but dreadful thought.

[@nihilistlivesmatter]

@@edaguilar1798 Your point being?

[@jsquareseaedits]

@@nihilistlivesmatter sounds like literal false but metaphorically true. To me at least

[@handreieiacasa]

If u could confirm theories with just one exemple of yours, humans would already have colonized the entire universe. Unlickily, you can't.

[@DicLewis]

Matt doesn't believe in a God, but Athiests certainly believe he is one.

[@MorbiusBlueBalls]

no. atheists believe in satan.

[@GigaDonk99]

@@MorbiusBlueBalls You got that backwards, actually. Satanists are atheists.

[@caughtinthevoidfloyd5821]

Matt doesnt understand the moral argument. There is no objective morality without God.

[@therick363]

And objective morality had not been demonstrated. Neither had any gods.

[@samanthagrave1964]

Matt ❤

[@hatersgotohell627]

I hate to see Peterson like this. He's on edge of his seat for a reason he knows he has to bullshit this because at his core there's not enough or any evidence to show that theism is true.

[@Thor.Jorgensen]

He doesn't believe in theism. However, he has a strong conservative ideology that believes the general public isn't smart enough to handle the truth. So he believes that it is better to keep stupid people believing in a god, and he should perpetuate this lie about the existence of a God that punishes evil-doers. Of course, he can't be publicly honest about this view, because then the rabbit is out of the hat. And instead, to enforce this continued BS he has dance around the question to whether or not he personally believes in a god. He can never answer that and be honest, if he is to keep his facade.

[@janglandis773]

Oh please listen to JP. He knows so much about self-esteem. In fact, he is an expert on EVERYTHING. His recent and latest expertise is Christianity. He isn't doing so great on the political front, but never mind, he's switched to religion. I believe everything JP tells me because he uses these big words I don't understand. That tells me right off that he's smarter than I am. Last night I prayed to JP for clarity and in a dream he told me he was god. And I believed him, cuz like I said he uses all these biggly words. And just lately on twitter, he told me which women are beautiful and which are not so that I now know heavier set women are very unattractive, so I am ditching my present girlfriend and looking for one that only eats beef and salt. Also one that doesn't wear makeup because women who wear makeup are inviting sexual harassment. This is something he actually said, (look it up) By his own admission he was accused three times of sexual harassment by former students who were probably wearing makeup. And I know he is right about all this because he is god and uses all these big words. I rely entirely on JP to tell me what to think. I never question him. I Pray in Jordan Peterson's name, Amen. TThsakzbin.info/www/bejne/jJvCnYGIftGWqrs

[@mattmcdonald7112]

I don't think Jordan really believes in God in a strictly traditional sense at all, thats why he never says he believes in such things, because when push comes to shove he doesn't. When you engage in a debate and its something you don't really believe it shows and this is an example, honestly Peterson is better off doing his usual Psychoanalysis stuff of why you can't achieve what you want or why you don't take responsibility for your actions etc.Matt Dillahunty on the other hand believes that if you believe you are a woman then you are one, i've seen pictures of some of those women and they do not present well. I can only conclude that they are in fact not woman but men in dresses, and therefore based on pictorial evidence Matt Dillahunty is wrong. Matt Dillahunty actual twiter quote. If 90% of trans women have dicks, then those people are women because they believe it" So believing is the rational reason for existing, according to Matt Dillahunty. He should stick to religion, hes a great debater on those topics.

[@farhan00]

But what if you're a dictator and will face zero repercussions for throwing someone off a stage? Self-interest is now off the table. Why not do it then?

[@farhan00]

He could have also said, prove that you value yourself. Dillahunty would have resorted to self-feelings, which he cannot demonstrate, thus cannot be a premise of any proposition, lest it be challenged.

[@sunflare8798]

People in power do it all the time. It's unbelievable how removed from reality Peterson's followers are, you are truly picked among the most uneducated... I feel sorry for you.

[@sunflare8798]

@@farhan00 You are so wrong. Anyone can prove that they value themselves by action, by defending themselves for example. Man the stupidity is off the rails...

[@IlCasucci]

JP doesn’t think Matt believes, but he simply outsmarted Matt and he nicely tried to show Matt his hypocrisy.

[@CyeOutsider]

He did nothing of the sort. JP performance here was nothing but embarrassing and amateurish.

[@deusamorest5169]

This is kind of a weak argument from Matt. Why would he not throw Harris off the stage? Because he doesn't want it to be done to himself? So, what is the underlying propositional knowledge that makes someone intrinsically valuable? You can't just brush of saying that's a propositional knowledge. It is not. It's a personal preference that people get to choose through a narrative. And if the narrative breaks, the view breaks. I think this is the point that Peterson makes. People hold on to moral beliefs through narratives. The sooner narrative is not there but only the belief (Matt's case), the sooner the belief dies down. Take a view at our history.

[@matthewbland6246]

it has nothing to do with a "moral code" ... matt doesn't have one, he admits that his "morals" change based on the particular situation at hand... which is totally subjective, it would have to be since its based on his own personal perspective, and nothing more... but for me, what really trips me out, is when the atheist's appeal to "logic".. and "reason"... and "truth".... they claim that if something cant be proven to exist scientifically then we shouldn't believe it... and logic and reason CANNOT be scientifically proven to exist... in fact its the opposite, science pre-supposes that our ability to reason exists.. in order to conduct science you need FAITH in your own cognitive ability to discern truth from lies, or logic from nonsense... these atheists know that there is something unique and divine about Mankind, because they appeal to it.. but then when pressed they try to pretend like we are just evolved meat sacks, and there really is nothing special about us... i have a hard time making sense of this, it seems 100% contradictory...

[@heartfeltteaching]

You are not alone. Well-said. Scientism is dangerous. It’s also hard not to notice that there’s actually nothing objectively binding in Matt’s secular humanism.