WHEN DILLAHUNTY BROKE JORDAN PETERSON?!

[@Pangburn]

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[@DIEHARD1010]

I feel sorry for you, why do you feel the need to prove there is no GOD, it seems like this is your lone mission. You are free to do what you choose but you must be a miserable person and have experienced a lot of pain, I hope you find a better purpose for your life

[@paulendsley6322]

This is what happens when Jordan challenges a mind that can’t be intimidated by word salads and advanced vocabularies.

[@sirwojenheimthethird2268]

Exactly this. You can just tell that he’s uncomfortable and highly motivated to derail any attempt at an orderly exchange. He gets far too much credit for being some kind of enlightened luminary. He is just a stubborn curmudgeon.

[@Petticca]

Curmudgeon doesn't get used nearly enough in conversation. Thank you for reminding me the word exists! Peterson is just absurd. He's the most ridiculous sophist I think I've ever heard "What do you mean by 'do', what do you mean by 'you', what do you mean by 'believe',..."

[@Sourmilk69]

@@sirwojenheimthethird2268he’s a cult leader with a messiah complex

[@Wallabynge]

I'm surprised Matt didn't mention evolution

[@bkfitnessandcombatives8658]

The sheer idiocy of that comment makes it comedic…🤣

[@adayinthelifeofatourbusdri9793]

Apparently, Jordan Peterson's idea of discussion is to never let the other person finish their thought.

[@oscargr_]

Peterson was making up a "winning argument" (or a crowd pleasing one) on the spot, but got blocked by Dillahunty at every turn. Peterson was like a fish in a net, trying to escape.

[@lordgohan5907]

Yes that really ticked me off. Every time he was going to destroy Jordan's arguement or make clear what his position is, Jordan would chime in with some crap about definitions.

[@Wallabynge]

Jordan Peterson walks back everything he says, because nobody can be correct, except him, but he is a person, so I guess he can't be correct, either.

[@markorahoske6931]

No kidding. That drove me nuts, I wanted to hear the point that he was trying to make but but constant interruptions by Jordan Peterson, just simply infuriates me

[@quiotu]

This is their entire schtick, and by 'they' I mean folks like Peterson and Shapiro and Kirk and anyone else who debates like they do. Which is to say... they don't really debate, they have a hard set group of definitions that they will throw at someone whenever someone tries to muddy the waters. They are extremists at defining terms that have very loose or various definitions, and they furiously argue against someone who believes there's any other correct definition other than theirs.

[@alanjerram9258]

"If I'm wrong, I want to know I'm wrong." Going through life with that fearless attitude has to be so liberating and constructive. For me, it's something to aspire to.

[@nickybobby9317]

In ways yes, but as the saying goes “ignorance is bliss,” so when you choose to strive to objectively go wherever the evidence leads you and shape your understanding of reality by that, you find that the choice to avoid the discomfort of doing that and to pursue the comfort of believing what we want to believe is one of the biggest causes of suffering and prevention of progress on this planet. Not only is it addictively comfortable (as history has shown with the countless deranged and delusional, evidence-lacking, self-reinforcing beliefs that have caused damage on multiple levels throughout societies), it’s also severely inhibitive to progress on multiple levels. It can be extremely depressing and frustrating seeing the effects of it daily and thinking about how much willful ignorance combined with intentional manipulation (especially by the rich and greedy) causes most of the planet to fight against one another and not only not condemn but excuse the abuse of human and other animal rights as well as be apathetic toward or even against things their own belief systems objectively support…all because we wanna believe what we wanna believe. So we’ll manipulate one another and use one another and misunderstand and confuse one another and desire and choose to kill and commit genocide against one another and care less about the wellbeing of each other, let alone care about looking after the only thing we have that can support life and cause it to thrive.

[@marting1984]

Agreed

[@joemagarac405]

@@nickybobby9317 I normally disdain long posts, but this is one of the best explanations of the immorality of supernatural belief as a framework for behavior that I have read.

[@doktordrift948]

Yet, he's never wrong and refuses to be challenged. Be quiet

[@Alifesalife]

@@doktordrift948”refuses to be challenged” lmao cope

[@UhHellandDoomIguess]

I hate how Peterson acts so smug, so arrogant, he’s so far up his own ass. It’s so off putting, like you can see his insecurities right through it.

[@mariannehancock8282]

It's surprising he's into Jungian psychology.Jung would probably put his behaviour down to 'defence mechanisms'.

[@JSp8]

IMO benzos have broken him.

[@hmq9052]

Also he bursts into tears quite a lot. Which is embarrassing

[@ethanquenum4778]

@@hmq9052 Yeah. That's unfortunately all due to the captivity of negativity.

[@d.s.ramirez6178]

This. 💯🧲⛓️‍💥

[@kylerolofson]

Jordan Peterson's only way to debate a point is to turn it into a semantics argument and then claim his definition is the correct one.

[@jesmarina]

VERY true that.

[@dizzyspinner648]

There's another component to Peterson's debate technique: interrupt whenever you don't want the audience to hear your opponents position. He constantly interrupts Matt and even goes so far as to assert that he knows what Matt REALLY means instead of letting him speak for himself. Rude and cowardly, he would rather debate a straw man than the actual man in the room. And that's pretty much all he does. Trump, but with grammar and syntax so he sounds a little less like a pro wrestler insult comic. But that's all he really is.

[@Nicksonian]

@@dizzyspinner648 That’s brilliant! Exactly what I was going to say, but you already did it better than I could.

[@someguy5438]

​@@dizzyspinner648very well put.

[@gregtidrow7717]

What does 'debate' mean? What does 'point' mean? What does 'is' mean? We'd need a WHOLE YEAR to unpack this! /s

[@jordanbruce3721]

Jordan P is clearly uncomfortable while Matt is calm and patient. This speaks volumes.

[@mikekolokowsky]

Matt takes on crazy religious zealots on his show all the time. That’s his whole show. Peterson knows when he is losing, and starts throwing arcane vocabulary words out there and making preposterous arguments hidden in terms like “metaphysical presupposition in sublayers of existentialism” or some hooey.

[@aldodanieljimenezcardona1252]

HAHAHAJAJAJ JP looks like he is talking to a child who just doesn’t get it and is stubborn in his positions.

[@timothystjohn4408]

It’s a pretty obvious and classic tactic of a losing party to interrupt and mock the point. Petersons arrogance is difficult to stomach.

[@mobilegamereviewer.1936]

​@@aldodanieljimenezcardona1252 Who's shouting like a child?

[@jordanhinderliter3784]

@@aldodanieljimenezcardona1252sadly its JP that isn’t getting it though.

[@witebatman]

"Jordan Petterson changes the topic 47 times without stating ANYTHING of value, as the audience laughs at him"

[@raheimgreen8550]

All the time. Redirect the conversation so by the end its nowhere near the starting topic.

[@jasonchastain9826]

Seriously... can Jordan NOT interrupt someone he just asked a question?!? How many times does Jordan ask a question, then immediately interrupt and redirect the attempt at answering?! This is pure "gish gallop" by Peterson.

[@keithwinget6521]

@@jasonchastain9826 Nothing new here. It's one of the only tactics available when you're attempting to argue from a weak position.

[@jjhaya]

I'm just curious about how Jordan is acting 😅; I think body language is a pseudoscience but this dude moves like a crack addict, is fidgety, looks like a baby riding a rocking horse chair, he also has an annoying voice that I thought was edited to sound like a speedup Kermit 😂.

[@jjhaya]

He moves like a crkhead fidgeting riding a rocking horse chair and I initially thought that the audio was edited because he sounded like a speedup Kermit 😂.

[@IamKnucks]

Jordan Peterson is the only person who can convince me getting my head chopped off might actually be better than listening to him.

[@kevinkline7242]

If you didn't listen to him you would not get convinced you needed your head chopped off. However if you watch Anaconda 3 with David Hasselhoff you can see a giant snake bite a guys head off . Which is nice.

[@catalhuyuk7]

Thank you. I’m laughing so hard right now it’s difficult to type. 💯🎯

[@RickJones222]

Constantly questioning every third word is not debating. Jordan is having problem with semantics, not metaphysics.

[@lindboknifeandtool]

Then one could just say anything and mean anything. I don’t disagree but still

[@Pastamistic]

​@@lindboknifeandtoolyes, just like Peterson constantly redefining whatever the hell he wants during a debate. Like suggesting death isn't bad for your well-being.

[@JoelER78]

@@PastamisticExactly!

[@vanivari359]

unless he rambles about "the radical Marxist left", then he uses a lot of big words with meaning totally wrong. I guess the guy is still struggling enormously to reconcile his suppressed religiosity with his rational mind, which is why the topic always ends up in this word salad and semantic discussions. Man, his whole aura falls apart when there is a smarter person in the room.

[@diskgrinder]

The gishop jaybee Peterson

[@pauljeffreymusic]

Jordan was unhinged, was really fidgety and outclassed…he’s full of you know what.

[@ThaStonedGardner]

Cocaine and bullshit?

[@VeenSauce]

I think it's worse. He's a sociopath.

[@bobbyhulll8737]

@@VeenSaucethat he is not .

[@jamesregiste960]

Anyone who thinks self-expression should be subjected to mandates based in "traditional values" is a sociopath, isn't that the nazi construct of Society?😊

[@JB-wh3we]

@pauljeffreymusic I'd say it wasn't that Jordan was unhinged, it was that he realized Matt was content to be the wise-ass 15 year old in the discussion..ya know where the only goal is he pwns the religious ppl and feels enlightened & wise...and Jordan was making a good faith effort to expand the discussion into how moral truths/messages (that can't yet be articulated) can be revealed through human creativity...like a religious text. And how to deny that simply puts another type of devotion into that religious space of the human mind. For instance Matt's religion to me was revealed to be a devotion to logic, rationality, and tangible truths. Which is good in that it works for Matt. But it is a self-limiting belief and it doesn't scale bc that could easily be replaced in other individuals w/ a political ideology (seems logical/rational) w/ disastrous consequences.

[@yodaiam1000]

This is JP's master class in how to say a lot of words in a context that no one understands while communicating nothing of substance.

[@steft7903]

A lot of them do this. The 'Wall of words.' Brand and Shapiro do this too.

[@franciskeyes]

In other words, a JP master class in bullshitting.

[@kazkaskazkas8689]

He's good at arguing about feminist, transgender, or relationship issues with people who know little of what an intellectual, well-argued position is, but he's extremely bad at politics and religion as topics and arguing against people who have well-reasoned intellectual positions reveals his weakness almost every time.

[@chocolatemilkforeverybody2569]

what a sophisticated and content-based critique

[@SpiderWaffle]

He's more of a charlatan than anything.

[@dawnywarthog6642]

The loudest person in the room, is the weakest person in the room. Case in point.

[@Shouten707]

The Peterson method: When someone is proving you wrong, just keep interrupting them so it looks like you're making points.

[@soliniv1411]

And change the topic

[@skylestia]

use a lot of big words and captivating phrasing while saying little to nothing

[@jbern2185]

Use word salads, use words that have lots of syllables, and just keep talking.

[@ozziejim8472]

@@skylestiathat’s exactly what he does, well said.

[@marxist5ever864]

That's the exact playbook of all right wingers.

[@AustenPalmer]

This should be titled "Jordan Peterson appears high on cocaine after learning he is not the smartest person ever"

[@jasonwalker8975]

I swear I was thinking, 'this dude is on coke right now'

[@Elrobbo1968]

Glad I'm not the only one noticing.

[@bradlast7839]

He was actually on drugs Benzos remember

[@Ishbikes]

They drugged him. Not Fair

[@themilkman271]

​@@bradlast7839That's not how Benzos work. 😊

[@doogle9]

I don't think Matt was allowed to finish a singe sentence without being interrupted. This was painful!

[@lizcollinson2692]

Yup

[@robwright8949]

That was his tactic. Disrupt the flow before an actual point could be made

[@lizcollinson2692]

@@robwright8949 making the whole thing a complete waste of time.

[@scottmghill]

Not true at all. But I guess if you need lies to feel good about yourself... Meanwhile, Peterson is quick to point out bullshit AS IT'S HAPPENING, rather than waiting for the camouflage of rambling words to disguise the fallacy.

[@FDTFDTFDT]

​@@scottmghillYou're simultaneously saying that Peterson didn't continually interrupt Matt while also saying that he's quick to interrupt people when he hears bullshit. Cognitive dissonance. Stop making heroes of hypocrites. This is a guy who, in this conversation, used bad faith debate tactics that stupid gotcha journalists use on him.

[@breed4052]

peterson is not a serious mind. he is not intellectually honest. he is a linguistic trickster , nothing more. a gnat buzzing around the head of the actual thinkers he tries to debate. it’s embarrassing to watch him think he is winning while actually making a fool of himself

[@wiltisdabest]

Yeah, and it's a shame because he obviously has the brain power to be a serious mind. He does this crazy shit instead.

[@darrelsapp1232]

All Peterson has done throughout this entire clip is talk over Matt and request new information without allowing Matt to answer the first question.

[@1719456]

Peterson, much like the entire cabal of ''thinkers'' on the Right, usually confine their debating to college students, who, while their motivation is correct, are outmaneuvered by fast talking & condescension. I am racking my brain, trying to remember, one time, I agreed with Jordan.

[@55yaya5]

Agreed. He doesn't want to hear the answers. His only interest is in protecting his own (increasingly) fragile constructs. Where he once held up the facade of philosophical/intellectual curiosity, he now shows none of that: reduced instead to an irate - and even irrational - 'certainty'. Very irritating in a psychologist

[@frasermacdonald6614]

Ever notice Peterson's whole demeanor changes when he is in front of someone more intelligent than he?

[@Mike_Sunshine]

Like a submissive puppy who's been naughty.

[@hamnchee]

Yes

[@michaeljayne6731]

That’s almost everybody (as in, who is JP smarter than, really?). But it does seem like Peterson likes to surround himself with people who don’t know much about anything, which is likely by design, so he doesn’t look stupid. But even then he virtually always does.

[@alexdumas739]

Isn't that like 95% of people.

[@marcuspinto3193]

You must be joking 😂 site Matt’s credentials alongside Peter sons . It’s no comparison. Peterson spanked him in this debate

[@GuyInnagorillasuit]

How on earth does anyone take Peterson seriously as a thinker? Obfuscation is his only real talent.

[@gwoyang]

And he's awful at that too...

[@joao3547]

I don't really like him but he wasn't wrong here.

[@gwoyang]

@@joao3547 try to explain please

[@Uouttooo]

If he has that, what have you got?

[@dacksonflux]

​​@@joao3547 he just kept making claims that he refused to provide examples of our evidence for. JP: You actually do believe in God Dillahunty: OK demonstrate that JP: 😶

[@shaner3723]

The moment religious person realises that there are highly moral people that had nothing to do with religion, their world falls apart.

[@markverplank2827]

If Jordon was as sure of himself as he pretends, he'd quit interrupting.

[@helveticaification]

He knows he would lose, if he did that .

[@scheikundeiscool4086]

Can't have that. He is not trying to win the debate. He is trying to keep his persona going. To keep his online grift alive.

[@theministeroftherealtruth]

seems hunty was the one interrupting :)

[@nateharris5012]

the ministe of truth lied? @@theministeroftherealtruth

[@xhawkenx633]

Sure or he was just annoyed, because Sam Harris and Dilahunty failed to come to the conclusion that people 200 years ago already had, at that is that you can't derive normativity from factuality, no matter how hard you try, and consequently whenver you want to tell someone how they should behave, you base it upon your believes and not upon the facts from which inevitably religion arieses

[@HEAT16]

Peterson is such a lightweight. The moment he's remotely challenged by a legit intellect he's completely off his game. Just look at the body language, he can barely sit still.

[@arriuscalpurniuspiso]

He is the most miserable self help guru I have ever seen. His misery is proof that his beliefs are a failure

[@michiwonderoutdoors2282]

He was shaking taking a drink at the end.

[@BenLemay77]

Peterson reacted as if he were being attacked at his core self. Yet not angrily agressive, he was on full attack mode, on the edge of his seat bent forward. His hands shaking, playing with his pacifiers (his ring), his voice was getting faster and his pitch higher the more he saw that Dillahunty didn't fall in his strawman traps. The opposite I see him in interviews.

[@grazzer88]

He can barely sit still because he's high off his tits from his pain killer addiction he had at the time. But yes. He'd probably be shaking from nerves if he wasn't shaking from drug abuse already.

[@ShadowTeller]

I have some admiration for him. He has decent brain and points. BUT SLOW THE FUCK DOWN AND LISTEN. I think he would be a very different person if he just did those things. I like to say he's powerful train that can go strong and get places.... if he actually watched to see if there are tracks under his feet to get to a destination. The metaphor is that his conclusions suck, they are at best antagonistic for the sake of spotlight controversy, though they may be grounded in fair premise. He doesn't like to lose or make mistakes, ,and if you aren't willing to do that you aren't willing to learn and grow.. or even have fucking hope. That's why I think people see him as miserable. Just be wrong. just stop train and look for the tracts of facts and I think so much of his work would just be more valid and worth it. As is... he's a modern man worth dissecting to see the flaws when fit facts and logic to your belief instead of see the actual truth those take you to

[@ephtea614]

He had a smug nervousness the whole time. He knows his arguments are pure bs.

[@KeatrithAmakiir]

Ya, laughing instead of ever making a coherent point was clearly a nervous response given he has no basis for his radical assertions of nonsense

[@kiro6119]

You are, you are just too dumb to see it

[@HughJitsu]

@@KeatrithAmakiir he's spewing philosophy discussion and debate tactics that don't hold water in people's day to day lives. Quite annoying.

[@KenOath1234]

Yep the body language said it all

[@tejave0ojnc]

agree

[@Yarghvid]

Gotta thank Matt for giving a voice to those of us that are tired of having religion imposed upon us.

[@billbaldwin3564]

Jordan Peterson is so busy interrupting Matt here that neither he nor the audience ever learns anything about what he’s thinking. Jordan presupposes he just understands where Matt is coming from before he can complete any thought and that he’s wrong. It’s extremely passive aggressive, arrogant, and obnoxious, and a waste of everyone’s time.

[@Yich11]

yeah, he's weirdly acting like a drunk teenager who thinks he knows it all but won't let anyone speak long enough to ruin their buzz

[@MarquitoRH]

@@Yich11 Nice analogy

[@newapologist]

He’s just asking for clarification, which is needed.

[@mkaz3997]

@@Yich11 Yeah...he wasn't at his best! Was he on medication?

[@ClaudioBrogliato]

That might be the case, he might interrupt because he understands where the discussion is going to try a different approach to win the argument. Fact is this way of argumentation is awful for the people who watch and try to understand and for the other speaker who is forced to constantly jump from a concept to another to keep up with very no sense of accomplishment and no possibility to convey his argument to the public.

[@marahallstewart2883]

It’s like a grown man arguing with a child. Jordan just keeps moving the goal post when he has nothing to say

[@Xplodeon]

But what actually is a goal post?

[@soliniv1411]

And he keeps interrupting

[@chong2389]

No contest.

[@stevenhaas9622]

@@Xplodeon JP: You see the very idea of goal posts is a completely subjective and arbitrary construct.

[@TheSquad4life]

This! People thought / think he’s intelligent cos his basic critical thinking is a toddler repeating “ but why “ over and over. It bothers me that he thinks he’s a genius when it’s a toddler level arguing skill 😂

[@brothergrief9531]

I see Mr Peterson's technique is to interrupt every point being made with a new question and to make it difficult to make any point at all.

[@ocheltree1]

It reminds me of the arguments I had with my narcissistic ex husband. Telling me what I REALLY believed, meant, meant to say, never answering a question, interrupting constantly, veering off topic at whip lash speed. Only HE knew the true meaning of my actions, words, deeds, choice of clothing, food, preferences, he knew it ALL. JP is an annoying contrarian for the sake of being contrary. Unpalatable word salad.

[@princequestly2218]

Yeah he doesn’t allow him to answer so he can’t ever destroy his argument, that he knows will get destroyed. he just wastes time with words that don’t even mean anything they just sound good to dumb people.

[@jeremiahhammer2282]

Nailed it.

[@NobodyCares6996]

And at least half of them are questions that are on the very extreme end being that if his questions rang true they rang true for an extremely rare exception.

[@StormcastMarine]

Petersen: why is it bad getting stolen from or getting thrown off a stage. How does anyone listen to this clown

[@kygo]

Jordan literally just argues over semantics and goes off on random word salads but doesn't actually say anything of value.

[@johanngoethe6729]

That is Dillahunty in a nutshell. His whole schtick is based in self-congratulation.

[@maiqtheliar_]

@@johanngoethe6729 nah

[@delos2279]

​@@johanngoethe6729 Dunning Kruger; knowledge issue there if you can't understand him. I've never heard Dillahunty use a word or phrase that I couldn't understand. On the other hand, what is "metaphysical substrate?" I've asked probably 20+ JP fans now and not one of them could answer what that nonsense means. Will you make the 0% into a 5% comprehension rate? You can try to answer, but this is what we mean by word salad. Peterson uses big words that sound smart to the semi-literate, except they literally don't mean anything. "The stupid person's smart person" is exactly what it is so its funny and surprisingly honest that's how Peterson described himself.

[@johanngoethe6729]

@@delos2279 I'm surprised you don't capture Peterson's argument there. Dillahunty papers over the issue of afterlife with a mere denial. That is not actually arguing an explanation for things that are metaphysical, such as consciousness, What are the physical, and provably not metaphysical, roots of conscousness? You can't offer "everything is just a physical reality" as if that's an argument.

[@delos2279]

​@@johanngoethe6729 Nice deflection. Learning from the best? So getting back to topic, your original comment was trying to turn the criticism of JP back to Matt, where it simply holds no water. If you want to defend that point, feel free to: 1. Explain anything Matt said that you thought was word salad. Maybe I can help clarify. 2. About that JP word salad. I gave you just a single instance to clarify. There's a lot more I could ask you about but for simplicity I just asked one (metaphysical substrate). You, like every other JP fan have no idea. It's okay, no one does, certainly not Jordan. So regarding your deflection about the afterlife. The way rational skepticism (science) works is that there is no rational basis for a belief unless it has empirical evidence supporting it. Good news is that you are perfectly fine believing in an afterlife. Or a flying spaghetti monster. But the rational position is, why? The onus for justifying YOUR belief most certainly isn't on Matt. It's on you, with the non-justified belief. Incidentally, Peterson does(n't) believe in an afterlife. Just like he does(n't) believe in gods. So he is(n't) on your side on this. Peterson is on everyone's side because he doesn't have real positions. He has word salads and deflections to avoid ever answering questions.

[@murfdog19]

The scariest part of religion is how they cannot wrap their heads around the fact that there are people who do not want to kill, steal or harm without a god to tell them they should not do these things.

[@josephconte]

Well said thank you

[@johanngoethe6729]

That's a silly mischaracterization. Only stupid people do that (make silly mischaracterizations of others).

[@murfdog19]

@@johanngoethe6729 Nah. Stupid people resort to ad-hominem attacks when they can't argue against a statement.

[@johanngoethe6729]

@@murfdog19 Well "murf", you made an ad hominem, not an argument statement. Read your own bigoted drivel, sometime before the enter key.

[@chrismoher5444]

@@murfdog19well done sir...my hats off to you good sir

[@KatAmaran1]

Every time Peterson started to speak, I cringed. He’s the Michael Scott of the debate world.

[@Foolishfool7669]

I fucking love it. Good one

[@Abdulja]

Noooooooo God no. Never ever compare Michael Scott to the charlatan Peterson.

[@KatAmaran1]

@@Abdulja I hear you. I meant the fact that I cringe when I hear the things he says though, not that they are similar. Both characters think they have their shit together too. But you’re right. This was unfair to Michael!

[@Chelseabell112085]

😂😂😂

[@cpt.dr.hawkeye1740]

"sometimes I just start a sentence and hope I find it along the way..."

[@MattyPants00]

It’s infuriating how often JP interrupts, he’s incapable of listening to a finished thought without jumping in.

[@ConradSpoke]

This smug attitude infuriates me: "You think you aren't religious, but you really are, and now I'll tell you what you actually believe."

[@sdwone]

Matt COMPLETELY wiped the floor with this pompous a-hole! Indeed, JP is too scared to do a rematch with Matt, because JP knows he is simply not in his league. The dude should just stick to doing what he used to be good at... Psychology and helping young vulnerable men and boys with their issues.

[@terrymckenzie8786]

He’s been saying this for years. What does he mean.

[@olekjaer86]

It irritates me to, but I agree with Richard Dawkins on him.

[@thicccorgi6187]

Typical conservative.

[@mistowasabi5443]

I don’t think he said religious unless you’re talking about a different part but he said “Believe in God”. Idk where this guy gets his talking points from either, but its not the bible 😭

[@NeilCampbell1]

The audience laughing at JP says it all

[@mediumbeetle9964]

Laughing with*

[@HDitzzDH]

@@mediumbeetle9964at*

[@Not_An_EV]

​@@mediumbeetle9964No no. Laughing at. ​

[@mediumbeetle9964]

@@Not_An_EV If you think JP came out of this with his reputation unharmed, then you may just be too much of a fan to recognize how dumb he looks.

[@porkchopTopHat]

@@mediumbeetle9964 read the room pal

[@gordon3186]

Arguing with Peterson is like arguing with someone who's really stoned.

[@om3g4888]

Really stoned and incredibly stupid.

[@ReadingRambo152]

How dare you insult stoners like that

[@VinceGwhite]

dude I've had debates with incredibly stoned people and jorpy here couldn't hold a candle to them lmfao

[@raywalsh9152]

Peterson was clearly shitfaced. Take it from a professional alcoholic. That dude was hammered.

[@grenerd161]

What are you 88?

[@pugnacious6290]

“Chopping off my head isn’t good for my wellbeing.” “Define ‘wellbeing’.” Holy shit.

[@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenter]

Yep! Coke has some serious downsides.

[@Longtack55]

JP is incredibly arrogant. Matt's name is Matt, but JP would argue it isn’t. JP's rhetoric is that of a smarmy 14 year old.

[@MMAGamblingTips]

Is his name really Matt? I mean think about it, if you break down the metaphysical substrate of the letter M, you aren’t going to get the name you came out with. What is a name if it’s only three letters in? We need to understand the transcendental importance of each of the remaining letters soul to determine if this is a name worth saving or is it just a jar of salsa. These are the things we have to consider.

[@TheLastWalenta]

If Jordan Peterson can’t even acknowledge that survival is in accordance with “well-being” just based on definition without turning into a baby asking “why?” to everything, it seems apparent that simply not listening to Jordan Peterson is better for all our well-being.

[@kingplays5369]

Lol 🥹🤣

[@kenk7282]

QED and good night.

[@DPaisleyDaisy-pr5wz]

I can’t believe he had a hard time w that one. 😂😂

[@LetterToVoltaire]

Hear Hear!

[@falseprogress]

He certainly doesn't care about survival when he trivializes the threat of AGW and tries to make it all about socialists "controlling" us, not dangerous physics.

[@pastapirate]

It's like watching a kid who thinks he's clever try to argue with the teacher

[@Talkitrhrough]

Wow, yes

[@khanhngo5979]

👏👏👏👌

[@jpr3665]

Beautifully put

[@AfrikanGod1]

precisely

[@clapdrix72]

That's exactly what it is

[@bartonlee3594]

Somewhere in a class room in Canada 50 years ago. "Tim". "Here" "Sally". "Here" "Elliot". "Here" "Jordan". "Well it's like, that depends on what you mean by role, and call. It's like it's not that bloody simple so as to just say whether or not I'm here, you know? It's like, come on."

[@magepunk2376]

Dude, I’ve never seen Peterson flounder so horribly.

[@poskeegget8043]

Frustration of his babbling not managing to derail or confuse the other party.

[@MB5rider81]

You should get out more.. Every time he speaks, he flounders.

[@daghul4785]

Watch his debate against Sam Harris.

[@sporer_]

must be your first Jordy clip bc this is very commonplace

[@SS_Psyops]

I’m really surprised by this being the take away… Dillahunty must go through the process of adequately describing and qualifying his terms if he wants to make huge claims about something like a moral system. I would have been in a similar position to Peterson trying to get him to think through the consequence of what he’s saying. I’ve never listened to him before but judging off of this he has a lot of post-enlightenment philosophy to work through before he can make very meaningful points.

[@michaelbballard]

You can't break someone as broken as Jordan, that poor man is lost.

[@plunderpunk2]

All the points awarded to you, sir.

[@zenbear9952]

He's even worse now than he was here too

[@helveticaification]

Shrill and querulous as always when he meets someone he can't intimidate with his manner.

[@mmninc.848]

​@@plunderpunk2Have an updoot, fellow Redditor!

[@jordanchen23]

So all that respect I had him after that Cathy Newman video was just evidence that I really loathe Cathy Newman.

[@thedevereauxbunch]

Does Peterson consider he’s won an argument if he cuts off anyone trying to answer his questions? He comes across as a bit of a wanker if I’m permitted to be blunt

[@jochenkraus7016]

To me it sounded like he was going through his gotcha supply and that's all he has. But what did JP answer to the last bit?

[@boembo6627]

Bit of a wanker is very restrained in my opinion.

[@jesschristian5700]

If I based a statement I was about to make on a premise that was obviously incorrect, why would you sit through the next five minutes of listening to me not make any sense to you in the name of letting me speak? I would propose he is trying to make sure he understands what looks like sand is in fact sand before watching him show him how to build a house wisely.

[@civildiscourse2000]

Permission granted.

[@aprildelamora6492]

@@jesschristian5700 except Matt hadn’t even gotten to the point he was trying to make, which happened a lot in this debate. Matt would start talking, and Jordan would immediately cut him off hoping he was going to throw Matt of his thought process. It seemed Jordan was out of his league. Have you wondered why there hasn’t been a round 2? 😂

[@testthisfordecficiencies]

Morality came before religion.

[@jojorumbles8749]

That's Petersons tactic: Equivocate! Change the topic! Equivocate! Change the topic!

[@tjohn6echo]

How he changes the topic --- use his usual set of word salads and then search for some case example that is tangentially related to the topic , and talk at length (very long length) on it and at some point of his rambling, he then changes the topic. Usually, his interlocutor will tend to acquiesce on this change to a new topic, out of giving respect to Peterson.

[@allanmason3201]

Then there's "Define what you mean by..." That almost always results in the conversation veering off in a new direction where more yet more word salad composed of a random selection of very impressive-sounding terms can be spewed.

[@knowyourenemies7]

In this debate he seemed to rely a lot on strawmen, constantly undermining his opponent’s statements by saying that’s not really what he thinks.

[@monkey7707]

Don't forget .... interrupt!

[@andrewness]

And ask for a definition of every word in use, then ask for a definition of every word in the definition. This has the advantage of being a potentially endless process of distraction.

[@KorhalKk]

Jordan Peterson thinks his word salad will be chugged by everyone, but some people are already prepared.

[@MTyler8787]

***mickey mouse voice*** what do you mean by word? What do you mean by salad?

[@jjhaya]

I'm also worried if the audience is laughing at Jordan or with him; hopefully the former 😅.

[@SurgeryIsWoke]

That's why that type lives on college campuses against nervous 20something kids to get their "OWNS" and make their points about modern "lib indoctrination" education

[@KorhalKk]

@@jjhaya They're just expecting gotchas, thats normal on these debates

[@KorhalKk]

@@jjhaya They're just expecting gotchas, thats normal on these debates

[@thefattmish]

I had no idea that Mr Peterson was this rude and this ignorant.

[@TheDavveponken]

Pretty evident in most if not all videos with him

[@helveticaification]

Count yourself fortunate! Petersen's parents probably have a lot to answer for.

[@taranullius9221]

"It wasn't the constant misogyny and tr*nsph*bia that drips out of every single thing he says (you know, the thing that made him famous in the first place) that I found disquieting, it was that he was a bit uncivil in a debate one time" - most man response ever.

[@chong2389]

Add bigoted and intolerant.

[@nate4847]

@@taranullius9221 I’ll take the ally, how they became one isn’t worth nitpicking.

[@jeffborelo8334]

Ladies and gentlemen : Sir Jordan Peterson, the biggest sophist of modern times… Irritated, angry, nervous, chocking voice, constantly interrupting, elaborating twisted sentences… What a conman !

[@vvayoutvvest]

+ nervously gulping water

[@coffeetalk924]

I heard Peterson's manager recommended he not debate Dillahunty again 😆

[@michman2]

I would hope Matt wouldn't want to waste his time doing so. Except that they get paid.... so......

[@breadandbutter726]

As someone whose pro assisted suicide I still think JP is nutty for that argument lmao. That’d be a horrible way to go vs the drugs they have to float you off these days.

[@coffeetalk924]

​@@michman2more entertaining than some of the clowns Matt's been debating lately. At least Peterson has a huge following and to watch Matt expose him again would be pleasurable 😉

[@TheRealRoch108]

😂😂😂

[@paulinemclean375]

Quite honestly , this was painful to watch.I give Dillahunty full marks for not hauling off and decking him.

[@garybarnes72]

Matt's patience is inspirational. I was thinking of reading some of Peterson's books this year. But I'm cured now.

[@peachtrees_]

still read it to form a full picture/opinion instead of ruling the action put completely just from watching a clip.

[@Bobojanglesbo]

Yea definitely read em it’ll be good for you lmao

[@じゃみっと]

Try Mary Midgley instead

[@duncanvincent6078]

​@@peachtrees_Yes. Flesh out your realization of what a collosol twatwaffle he is.

[@jakewilliams1344]

You dodged a bullet. Peterson brained people are insufferable

[@esdraslopez4658]

I cannot fathom why I ever thought JP was smart or clever or a good debater

[@LetterToVoltaire]

that and all of the other people he dupes into thinking he makes any fucking sense what-so-ever.

[@raindogred]

because your a sheeple

[@Zach-wr6fw]

The politics and benzos have done a number on him He put himself in the hospital for six months because he tried to go cold turkey off the anxiety medication. It’s pretty common knowledge trying to do that will f-- you up and as a clinical psychologist he should have known that better than most people That’s when I knew he wasn’t exactly the brightest thinker

[@chriscasperson5927]

​​@@Zach-wr6fwHe went to Russia and had himself put into a medical coma so he wouldn't have to be aware about going through withdrawal. He's a bloviating, gutless coward who didn't want to be responsible for his actions.

[@voiceoftheoldways]

Same. The guy is just an angry old man suffering from ‘I’m-the-only-one-who’s-right’-ism. He just spouts a lot and says nothing.

[@richards5687]

I could not have just sat on that stage with the peterson thing. I find his entire approach dishonest, he focuses on interruption and diversion rather than anything useful.

[@steft7903]

Peterson's body language is very interesting. Wringing his hands and feet, flustered and squirming around. Never seen him so uncomfortable.

[@Surestick88]

I've seen similar body language in guilty people during police interrogation.

[@michasosnowski5918]

I would explain it as a person who was very troubled and then got "better" on drugs. The drugs gave him confidence that he projected outside. That won him large audience. He cashed in on that audience and now he is rich. His drugs dont work anymore, so he cant win debates with pure confidence they gave him. Now hes worldview that is based on bullshit religious "arguments" can be seen as weak and baseless. You can also see that advice he is giving in his book about raising kids(spanking, timeouts) is ultimately what created him and his problems that he took drugs for in the first place.

[@daylinlott5723]

He starts out the debate posed rather beautifully, channeling his inner Greek statue, and uses his elegant body well. That was the pose he hoped to keep.

[@CAKESLAPPA]

Zizek was so charitable to him, it makes a lot of sense why.

[@ince55ant]

coke behaviours

[@NillerMann]

Petersons body language and his whole demeanour during the debate clearly indicates, implicitly and explicitly, that he did not have the upper hand.

[@DillaryHuff]

What is the upper hand, though? And how do you relate it to metaphysical laws? And where does it exist in the inter-planatary... -Typical JP response.

[@Aryzo]

Thats kind of a problem that you judge who has the "upper hand" by "whos body language is more confident". If im frustrated trying to get through to a stubborn toddler am i the one thats in the wrong because his body language is more confident??

[@cpe2442]

And that he's on some kind of drug/s

[@Samson484]

⁠@randomletter-5i4it’s crazy how many people don’t understand that simple fact.

[@ibanmayo2]

@randomletter-5i4 You are hilarious.

[@jerrylanglois7892]

Peterson interrupts and talks over dillahunty which is a clear sign of weak arguments and his tension... and is very irritating to the listener.

[@clappedoutmotor]

He's a nob

[@henrybrice86]

Yes! This was a long sequence of Dillahunty making half of an argument, and Peterson jumping in with another objection, him letting Dillahunty make half of a response, and jumping in with another. It's the defensive form of the Gish gallop.

[@glp.1337]

It's because he (and almost everyone) already knows where Matt is going. He just explains it very slowly for his audience.

[@VicViper1984]

​@@glp.1337No because he repeatedly makes incorrect assumptions about what Dillahunty is saying, (and because even if that were the case it'd be poor form to respond in that way in a debate). Peterson isn't remotely as perceptive or competent as you goons make him out to be.

[@ronedelenbos272]

Yep. Good to see Jordan's true colour.

[@mrjaybee73]

JP refuses to allow the other person to ever complete a point

[@fudgesauce]

Matt was super patient with Jordan who was an absolute prick about interrupting Matt's statements before Matt had a chance to finish a thought.

[@thedevereauxbunch]

I got over it pretty quickly although much as I enjoy Matt’s talks i acknowledge he does the same thing to people who call in so it was perhaps a little pay back

[@robbs808]

​@thedevereauxbunch I'd say Matt generally only does that to stop people veering off the point and trying to make new ones as callers tend to be all over the place, Matt likes each point to be acknowledged and settled before moving on to something else, the show would be awful to watch and more akin to what you see on Jerry Springer if he didn't do this.

[@HH-ru4bj]

​@@thedevereauxbunchJordans purpose seems to be focused on exploring the idea itself, before moving on to settling it, which is something he's had to do in discussions many times, as many ppl many times have tried to trap in in some gotcha of an abuse of language and broken logic.

[@jamestiburon443]

Agree Completely

[@thedevereauxbunch]

@@HH-ru4bj This went beyond that I feel. It was talking over Matt every time he started to outline his argument again. The point of this seemed to be to set the parameters of the discussion into so small a space nothing but Jordan’s own words could fit. When that’s the case there’s no point to the debate.

[@brutusmagnuson315]

“You can’t win an argument with me if I define everyone as a Christian!”

[@dominic6055]

this was freakin hilarious

[@TravellingMark5454]

The fact that Peterson just claims everyone has the same beliefs as him or are just lying about being an atheist is so fucking disingenuous.

[@vertigo4236]

@@TravellingMark5454 That is basicly just presuppositionalism, the lowest of the lowest form of a non-argument. He admids that the only "argument" he has is that he is right in the first place.🤣

[@jaypenn5117]

LOL. That some up the debate.

[@gknight4719]

@@TravellingMark5454 When the brain/mind has swallowed the god hypothesis you then suffer from chronic verbal diarrhea!

[@You_Do_Have_The_Power_33]

Peterson is the real life person version of every ultimate asshole character James Woods has ever played.

[@michaelblankenau6598]

Yes. And they both think they’re geniuses .

[@KnoxBronson]

You win 2024

[@kalikagamers]

James woods has an iq of 180 so the genius label is apt

[@lizcollinson2692]

Without the charm

[@michaelblankenau6598]

@@kalikagamers no standardized IQ test measures go up to 180… so that should tell you it’s b.s.

[@brianward694]

I really wanted to hear what Dillahunty had to say, but he was constantly interrupted, so I couldn't get through half of it. JP really missed an opportunity here, but his actions show that he is dull and uninteresting when he is not trolling others.

[@floridamanHooning]

"except that when your dead there is no being, so theres no wellbeing" that was hilarious

[@chocolatemilkforeverybody2569]

that is an assumption - we do not know this

[@natanaelsantosdelgado9086]

@@chocolatemilkforeverybody2569😂😂😂😂

[@cyclonebee1939]

That's the point. JP goes into discussions with total good faith in attempts to steel man the other guys argument. He also had one goal which is to learn. It's very easy to play to the croud and make jokes when someone is doing that.

[@kylerodd2342]

@@cyclonebee1939I mean, he really doesn’t. Tons of examples of this. A literal ton.

[@m.a.sperry3424]

@@chocolatemilkforeverybody2569 Yes, the assumption I make is that I knew nothing before I was born and I will know nothing after I'm dead.

[@newb_master]

This guy is insufferable, consumed by ego and his own bullshit.

[@RealAaron317]

says you

[@kittybluett8887]

@@secretname4190nope Peterson did not, all Peterson did was interrupt him and spoke his usual bs.

[@fifthat]

Yeah, Jordan is

[@sizzlechest69]

@@secretname4190 say what? Peterson's assumption that death stops suffering is a greater assumption than that death is inimical to well-being. How do you justify that?

[@Tcrror]

​@@secretname4190Nice try, bud.

[@WoodysGamertag]

Winning a debate is far easier if you're right. I have no idea why Jordan Peterson is trying to argue against, "Cutting off my head is bad for my well being". JP, just stfu. That's not a winnable position. When somebody says he doesn't like being murdered you just agree that's common ground and move on.

[@Pangburn]

We would love to have you on as a guest for our Sunday show. Please email [e-mail] if you're interested.

[@eyemastervideo]

But they have to, otherwise suffering is for nothing. Their god makes them suffer in this existence, and it can't be for nothing... It's their bad logic

[@racingbrah1348]

There are clearly many people, who prefer death to life. But it’s not the point and JP reminded that. You aren’t even capable of listening.

[@lemonademan987]

Well, what if you're dying of cancer, there's no possible cure, and the worst part is that you're going to be in immense pain for the rest of your miserable existence unless someone chops off your head. It would certainly be better you end you now because there's no possible way that you could preserve your wellness.

[@grimfang4]

Jordan was hunting for a stalemate with these arguments because he could do no better.

[@LoftyAssertions]

Best part of this full debate is how Matt doesn't at all jump on top of Jordan and diminish him when he is fully able to many times over, really shows good character from him, he's also totally stable throughout and keeps to the topic in an objective oriented attitude.

[@sparks480v3]

Jordan Peterson's form of debate is to continually move the goal post, other than to continually interrupt

[@EthanBalkfield]

Well that's just standard apologetics

[@Godcodex77]

The English language is coded. And so is the KJV Bible. Your can find Christs, date of conception in the very first verse and very last verse in the Bible. Both have exactly forty four letters, seventeen vowels. Date conceived on Nisan seventeen four.

[@danhaines]

He moves the goalposts so much he's not just in another ballpark, he's in a completely different genre of sport.

[@suzbone]

​@@Godcodex77take your meds

[@donmcmillan4388]

Jordan’s a lot like FOX news. He’s only argument is to ask ridiculous questions during a debate then ramble on like rain man in his Kermit the frog voice.

[@allisterlobo7107]

That awkward moment - when JP laughed while everyone was laughing at him - was priceless

[@superfly2535]

I saw that; he thought he did something lol. Everyone is thinking “this dumbass thinks he sounds smart for throwing out complex terms with absolutely no meaning behind them” lmao

[@Ledav22]

Jordan is one of the most insufferable figures out there. Rather then have a straight conversation, he just meanders through tangents until he’s avoided the topic he doesn’t want to talk about because he doesn’t have a good answer.

[@mudkipfan2420]

Jordan peterson just lost all the respect points he had left to begin with He interrupts much and stir the conversation to unrelated topics because he knows he cant answer shit

[@eddiestorey9633]

Arguing with Jordan is like arguing with a child, a drunk, or a religious person, it’s a circular conversation

[@dorothysay8327]

Religious people the rotor over contradict your ridiculously bigoted sentence

[@Tarumarugan]

Don’t disrespect drunk ppl like that

[@MrHerbsti]

@@Tarumarugan Right - IMO Peterson acts like a drunk religious child...

[@nathanlevesque7812]

try proofreading @@dorothysay8327

[@jhowson3748]

I’m still waiting to hear how a factual statement cannot be a proposition.

[@MiikeJone]

Jordan is so clownishly overmatched

[@assaqwwq]

I would ask you to define what a clown is but... I think I can see it. A true skeptic, asks everyone else to define every single word they use, but doesn't mind his lobster and god theories...

[@brocksamson9737]

Yes he's overmatched in the department of certainty. Matt is clearly using basic pseudo intellect which creates the illusion that he's actually saying something ACTUALLY INTELLECTUAL. Those who were persuaded by him to any degree are clearly sheep. 🙄😑

[@vertigo4236]

@@brocksamson9737 I could ask you to demonstrate this, if it is so "clearly". But we both know, that you couldn't do this. Baaaaahh....

[@Supahdave1000]

He's so breathtakingly stupid.

[@Gaggerlotion]

Depends what you mean by overmatched;)

[@elgar104]

Largest guffaw from me was when JP said he was 'all ears' . That he most certainly is not.

[@NLTops]

He was all ears... if ears were made of mouth.

[@youtubespag]

​@@NLTops What do you mean by ears and mouth? Lmao

[@NLTops]

@@youtubespag Being all ears is a colloquialism for listening attentively. So by saying "He was all ears... if ears were made of mouth.", I am implying that he is doing a lot of talking and interrupting for someone who claims to be all ears. You know, because you can't talk with your ears.

[@elbubsio4947]

@@NLTops I think they got it. 😉 I believe they were parodying JP's predilection to bog the conversation down by asking his opponent to explain everything.

[@NLTops]

@@elbubsio4947 Whether or not that is true, I'm glad that I naturally share Dillahunty's predisposition to calmly clarify myself when queried. Plus, it's funny to me either way. It would be an apt parody. But it would still be funny if they were being genuine. So I just laugh at the circumstance and don't presume to know which of the two I'm laughing at. I'm pondering whether to call it the Humour Uncertainty Principle or Schrödinger's Humour.

[@kokopelli314]

Peterson's debating style looks like that of a 14-year-old who throws random questions then looking for gotcha moments rather than developing or following a reasoned argument. Makes me wonder if he was even aware of his own behavior during this debate.

[@poskeegget8043]

It's more like the bog standard of outrage merchant arguing. Derail and distract, and hope the other person loses their cool.

[@anainesgonzalez8868]

I truly wonder if he evens likes to debate. I do not think so.

[@Blewlongmun]

Ironically JP was the example I needed to stop doing that as a teenager. There’s 3 hour long videos on him and Bean Sharpy-hero, their nonsense is way past ignorance.

[@LarsPellinat]

Since Peterson found Jesus he is driven more by emotion, than intellect, which also makes him less usefull in a debate.

[@CanadaWaxSolvent]

Total half-wit performance from Peterson. Dillahunty is just a model of patience.

[@lebojay]

Not the usual adjective for Dillahunty, but applicable here.

[@edvolve]

I was shocked at how well MD was keeping together. Way different than his show.

[@fohrum4757]

Yeah he's not this patient on his show on The Line, but then again, he's been dealing with p**s poor arguments from theists for decades, so I get why he'd become impatient with them haha

[@Lambdamale.]

​@lebojay 😂 very true.

[@silverstem2964]

Jordan Peterson's "my farts don't stink" facade is getting really old.

[@iderbolis]

Sort of like Dillahunty fans thinking of Dillahunty

[@PronatorTendon]

​@@iderbolis What are you talking about? If you actually took the time to look at what he does, his fans challenge him almost as much as theists and creationists do, except his fans tend to bring up relevant points instead of simply preaching and proselytizing

[@howdyhiho]

​@@iderbolis Lmao have you met Peterson fanboys? They're unhinged and have undying allegiance to him. They will send death threats to people against Jordan or tell women who criticize him that they hope they get raped. Most fan bases don't come close to the ridiculousness of Jordans fans. They treat him like the ultimate "my farts don't stink" god. It's disturbing.

[@DevareayWilliams]

@@iderbolisIf you actually followed Matt Dillahunty, you’d know his own fans called him out all the time for how how he acts sometimes on “The Line”.

[@Error_404_Account_Deleted]

Peterson never should have traded Xanax for religion 😂

[@sathan_wept]

This just made my day😭😭😭

[@archermadsen7744]

Benzos

[@WillGodar]

This is the perfect illustration of why Matt is the perfect antidote to JP. JP uses complex words and difficult to pin down phrasing to give his arguments the illusion of depth. The goal is to make you shrug and say, "I didn't understand most of that but he's clearly a smart guy and I don't want to seem dumb so I accept his conclusion." JP isn't looking for a common understanding. He's looking to keep the conversation muddy so everyone accepts his conclusion. Matt is the complete opposite. He constructs his arguments for clarity. His experience in dealing with hostile theists arguing in bad faith has honed his ability to boil down what he's saying into simple to understand arguments. He searches for a place of common understanding to build from because his goal isn't to win the argument, his goal is to change minds. This is perfectly exemplified in this exchange(summarized). "If you chop off my head, that is clearly not good for me." "I wasn't willing to grant that. I'm saying that's a metaphysical presupposition. That's a philosophical statement. That's not an obvious fact." "That chopping off someone's head is contrary to their wellbeing?" "Depends on how you define wellbeing?" "You could define wellbeing as death is preferable to life but you don't get very far that way." "Yeah you do. You stop suffering. You just die." "Yes." "Right so you can start with that presupposition." "Right but when you're dead your not BEING so there's no wellbeing."

[@petyrkowalski9887]

Having a debate with Peterson is like playing chess with a pigeon: he will shit all over the board, knock all the pieces over and fly off, squalking, claiming victory.

[@gregtidrow7717]

He'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

[@lexfiddle]

Well said!!!!!!!!!

[@colinsparman26]

Picturesque and spot-on!

[@janvanderlinden2118]

haha best comment ever

[@Iamthenoodle]

You wouldnt be able to string a sentence together in a debate against Dr Peterson, glad you enjoyed this out of context clip of a friendly disagreement and came to the conclusion that not only was it somehow a victory for your "guy" but that you have also somehow determined that you are smarter than Dr Peterson... enjoy your delusion =)

[@DrSerendip]

Peterson employees the Fox News method of never let the person who is making a point that is different from his own finish their point. Always interrupt, always talk over them.

[@enigmaharlequin4247]

Wow....never seen Peterson act so defensive and childish. He can't take it when someone makes more sense than him.

[@esean1]

I've never NOT seen Peterson act defensive and childish.

[@ClarkPotter]

This is particularly cringey.

[@esean1]

No argument, there.@@ClarkPotter

[@Nedula007]

You can't have art without religion ??? What ??? That's just nonsense.

[@NoEvidenceForGod]

So funny how JP's status and prominence were basically the reason Matt took his arguments seriously. If this was The Hangup and JP was a random caller, Matt would've hung up after about 5 mins.

[@nicodemusbrausebier5378]

This probably plays a role but I think it's more about format/setting. If Dillahunty ended up on stage like that with a caller, I think he'd treat them similarly.

[@mattbrown4269]

I’ve thought that many times about Matt’s debates. I think getting paid has something to do with his increased patience for JP’s bullshit.

[@MrSparkula]

If Jordy Pederstone was only capable of feeling embarrassment…

[@watson5551]

he's a typical extra chrispy.

[@michaelmartin5177]

This made me laugh

[@philosopherpeasant]

He knows he's been a charlatan all his life...he's already embarrassed about that and tries to cover it up with everything he does and says.

[@sparks480v3]

Sociopath

[@EthanBalkfield]

I think it's pretty clear that he is most definitely embarrassed and uncomfortable here based on his body language.

[@ljb5163]

I still can’t believe this guy was a therapist.

[@odinson6348]

I can only imagine. Sit down with a therapist only to have him talk the whole time.

[@PhillipG34]

Ur trying to tell ur life story and he will just interrupt u. Lol

[@flightmasteronezeroone907]

There’s a space after the e

[@zeitxgeist]

His psychology stuff is genuinely very good, he's done quite a few great lectures that were genuinely moving. But that's the field he's specifically educated in; the rest of the stuff he talks about is only understood from reading a book which is mostly surface level.

[@luckmall]

🫣 because he has different opinion then Matt? What are you talking about? Therapist can be only person who never lost a debate? Most of therapist dont depate at all? What about them? All what Matt is doing his whole life is screaming that he doesnt belive in god and putting people on hold on his show. JP actually helped somebody, his books mean something to many many people. He can talk about very difficult topic and he is not afraid to stand his ground.

[@By_Bachelor]

Jordan seems like he’s on coke… he’s talking at Matt & gaslighting him… constantly. Love Dillahunty.

[@alexanderhaupt9500]

Peterson is an intellectually small and frightened little man. He is so compromised by his emotions and it’s so obviously on display it’s horrifying that he’s become this new voice of the alt right.

[@jdelorenzod2725]

Uhh nobody in the alt right likes him. Don’t lump him in with us. Not to mention he’s a Zionist shill.

[@sisyphus_squats]

wut, peterson and whatever the "alt right" actually are, are polar opposites - this is a wildly emotional, small and frightened take

[@CutThroatJuggalo]

​@@sisyphus_squats😂🤣😂🤣

[@aerialmanx7584]

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[@livly9]

who do you think would be a better voice for them?

[@CodyLenhart]

Just fucking let him talk.

[@DashCat9]

I'm sorry but the point you were in the middle of making contradicts the metaphysical. Have to interupt.

[@ProProboscis]

@@DashCat9 You're always right, especially when you have to interrupt 😂😂😂

[@voicemaestro]

I wanted Matt to say, like Biden did in the debate in 2020, "Will you shut up?"

[@VincentMcmanus.]

I don't think Matt was able to complete a single thought or sentence without Jordan interrupting him with some inane semantic nonsense. I will say this for Jordan though, he is a master of the ever shifting goalpost.

[@satchelraidincoming636]

Semantic gymnastics is all Petersn has.

[@Kira-zy2ro]

This. I was painting a cabinet while listening to the video and i spilled paint while shouting "let the guy finish a sentence you...." 🤣

[@richmondvand147]

he's a double speak master

[@gkn112]

just because people allow it. You need to insist on people like this answering a question first before they get to aim a question at you.

[@oppyh]

Diallahunty broke no one. The "debate" was the equivalent of Jordan Peterson explaining why there is more proof for God existing than not existing, and Dillahunty like a spoiled child plugging his ears and screaming "I know you are but what am I"!! Frustrating is the hell of someone not willing to have an open mind, or a proper debate. Dillahunty lost with flying colors. Terrible display of the human species. Dillahunty was/is insufferable!

[@davidkillion7775]

Jordan Peterson is very well educated in his very small area of expertise. The minute he goes outside this small area he gets shown to be as ignorant as anyone else who doesn't understand things. But hey, gotta shout nonsense loudly to grift money off people.

[@MatthewMoranMusic]

"There are artists and poets who [THINK] their godless." - JP What a nutjob. In one debate he asserts that no one can truly even know what they believe clearly and then, here, asserts (without any reasonable justification) that he is more aware of what those people believe than they are. As it turns out, Jordan Peterson does NOT have any fucking idea what he believes, let alone anyone else. He's a word soup chef.

[@MarcelGraumans]

It's described in the dsm 5 description of cluster B.

[@theguy0526]

Im not a fan of his, but I think hes arguing the historical influence of religion as much as any spiritual argument in context of the arts. Without old school biblical art, you dont have what has evolved into modern art. Now if only he pursued that line of argument instead of derailing into random ditches. Very bizarre

[@MatthewMoranMusic]

​@@theguy0526 I'm less and less impressed with him. Mostly due to this kind of nonsense. And even if art, pre-enlightenment, was religiously oriented, that has NOTHING to do with whether religion or god/God/gods is true. More so, he cannot answer a direct question without going into the word salad that attempts to sound deep but sounds evasive and ridiculous. "Jordan, what is your name?" JP: "Names carry more than just their syllables. They are tokens, representations of not just your person but your parents and, quite frankly, their ancestors for generations untold. And can we call the names our own? They were bestowed upon us by our parents. We don't truly have the right to claim them as our own. They belong to your family and your community as a market of all they perceived about the hopes of continued generation and the strife of preceding generations...." That's how JP answers simple question.

[@theguy0526]

@@MatthewMoranMusic Agreed, he had caught my attention early on in his media debut, and his philosophy didn't work all that well for me. He derives self-worth through some extremely negative lenses, and that doesn't work well when you have a chronic disease. It lends to your argument that the slice of the conversation pertaining to art was in itself a deflection from the original conversation of God's existence. It's like he was a coked up news anchor trying to poke holes in arguments while fidgeting lol

[@irishgonzoman]

​@MatthewMoranMusic I'd agree with that too. I'd frame it that religion has sponsored artists and their art for 1000s of years. If you took the Catholic church out of the timeline altogether de Vinci or someone else would've still desicovered how to paint something with amazing lighting and anatomy details Yet were cave paintings weren't influenced by religion and without that there'd be no Last Supper

[@dragadeyt]

“I’m all ears.” The most obviously false and ludicrous thing Jordan Peterson has ever said. He’s all mouth.

[@GeneralPrime]

glad smeone else has noticed....especially in his podcast

[@sonja4164]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@CoreDump451]

He keeps interrupting. He thinks he knows better than everyone else so he doesn't even let people finish the sentence before he interrupts

[@danielveres4351]

And he is teaching at university. I'm sure his classes are bearable...

[@sonja4164]

@@CoreDump451 it's frustrating for me to watch, so I know Matt must be beyond frustrated.

[@spiritassociates8695]

Jordan is seething with anger. Given that he is a seasoned psychologist, I'm shocked that he seems unable to better regulate it.

[@thecorruptversion]

Lmao he's a benzos addict, borderline as hell, alcoholic, etc. Dude's a mess and the fact that he's a psychologist means nothing. The good ol' proposition that because someone is a psychologist they must have a good life.

[@advancedbasicsAB]

Yes and someone who is genuinely seeking truth would not be angry if argument and evidence led him to a new position. He is angry because Dillahunty is a threat to his image. I actually love JP when he talks about any other subject and it's so sad to see him like this. He tries to resort to humour to deflect

[@MarquitoRH]

@@advancedbasicsAB He pontificates with enormous confidence on a range of topics upon which he has zero competence - including nutrition, exercise, the Middle East problem, climate change. Even in his apparent specialist area he spouts a lot of nonsense; for instance Tidy your Room.

[@sammavitae114]

Someone should take away his license.

[@kevinkoch-jj1uj]

Anyone who went to him for guidance or therapy should get a refund. He's a stain on the profession.

[@ryand1404]

This was so embarrassing to watch. The most embarrassing part was how the audience was laughing at his nonsense remarks, but he thought they were laughing with him, when it was the opposite. Other people said this but this reminded me of how that annoying high school student would egotistically challenge the teacher and the whole class had to wait for the teacher to make the obnoxious student understand why they were wrong. This also had a similar level of discomfort.

[@eduardhenny1]

Richard Dawkins recently called JP reasoning: Bullshit. He called a spade a spade

[@michaelfabish-wood4444]

He called his reasoning about religion BS. He, as do I, admire him for the things he is objectively right about and he says so in the same video. But here, he is outclassed and it shows.

[@kriegmesserdclxvi2833]

Peterson is graduate of the Ben Shapieo school of never letting your opponent complete a fucking sentence. The debates need to have one and only one active microphone at a time, controlled by the moderator.

[@MrLtia1234]

The problem with that approach is that it has to assume a degree of honesty in those taking part. It would just allow JP to gish gallop to avoid actually addressing anything. At least here (I mean the whole debate, not this video) we got a rare occurrence of his obvious nonsense being called out to him with a right to reply. Of course he would try to deflect any way he could. This is why his publicist told him to never debate Dilahunty again- likely because they didn't know who he was when they agreed to debate.

[@JimmyNuisance]

@@MrLtia1234 You don’t need to "assume a degree of honesty in those taking part." you listen to the other guy’s arguments, and when it’s your turn to speak you counter the arguments…. If the person lied you can point that out without interruption… Watch any debate by scientists and you’ll see this in full effect. The main problem there is gish galloping, and that gets called out by the next person when they get the mic. When Stephen Fry debated catholics it was under the one person at a time structure, watch that.

[@MrLtia1234]

@@JimmyNuisance Yes, by scientists. Not by celebrity trolls. You assume I've not seen a debate by scientists and not seen that Stephen Fry debate which *everyone* has seen, which is silly. If someone can't or won't counter the arguments (like JP in this debate), they will use misdirection, gish gallops etc. to avoid it. Simple.

[@kriegmesserdclxvi2833]

After a point is addressed, the moderator shifts audio back the opponent. If they try this Gish Gallop, their mic is cut the second it is realised they are beginning a second point, and the opponent is instructed to ignore it.

[@archermadsen7744]

Benny boy gets destroyed whenever he tried to debate someone other than college students.

[@markkjacobson]

Peterson is insufferable. He's convinced of his own genius. I'm amazed more people can't see through is obvious BS.

[@advancedbasicsAB]

I think Jordan is incredible on most subjects but when it comes to religion, i get the impression he is actually an atheist

[@Vojevoda13]

Hi is a smart man on most topics. But when things come to religion, or let`s say, russia - he goes in to soft crash mode. And ditches reason completely.

[@bb21again.67]

JP talks so much sh#t no one has time to get a word in sideways.😊

[@trog69]

JP's problem is that he's waaay out in front of his skis, talking about subjects he's far less than knowledgeable about, which are things outside his specialty. I know I am biased against JP, but that started right out of the gate when he misrepresented the bill he argued against. This was his entry into rightwing stardom. No thanks. @@advancedbasicsAB

[@bb21again.67]

@Vojevoda13 And talks and talks and talks and ends up saying nothing.

[@ruirodtube]

1:18 The dishonesty of imposing that God is the inspiration for artists even though they might be atheists or of a non-religious background is staggering! This is the problem with religious people: they are not tethered to reality nor logic!

[@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenter]

^ This.