10 Minutes of Fascinating Conversation With Douglas Murray

[@Zebra66]

I feel extremely grateful for Men like Peterson and Murray for having the courage to speak out against evil at a time like this. I am terrified for my family's safety and the future we're creating. Seeing good (respected) people standing against it gives me hope that it's not too late.

[@pangeaproxima3681]

ok, ok...

[@joshnic6639]

Ok but Murray is a hypocrite right? I mean if Douglas was your “dad” you wouldn’t be here.

[@pangeaproxima3681]

@@joshnic6639 ok, ok..

[@Zebra66]

@user-mx7vr1zt6b They are both brave and far smarter than you. And far more useful to the world. If you're using childish insults instead of being constructive you're part of the problem.

[@tsb7911]

@@user-mx7vr1zt6b Explain please. I'll wait...

[@santiagosss]

Murray and Peterson, my favorite duo. I loved seeing these two together on stage in Jordan’s European tour.

[@pangeaproxima3681]

ok, ok...

[@tanakathecowboy]

same! unexpected and very welcomed!

[@pangeaproxima3681]

@@tanakathecowboy ok, ok...

[@areyoustupid.....]

​....calm down you're hysterical!

[@AVMamfortas]

When I was 'in Practice', I had a client who wanted me to 'fix' her depression. Her life in a good home, with a good husband and two good kids was not 'doing it' for her. Life was cold and dark. Few friends stayed for long. I listened to her story: eventually we got to it: how as a single mum years before she met her now husband, her little boy was run over in the street, a quiet cul-de-sac, and died. She had been getting herself ready to go out: she did not keep her eye on him. I said "you must feel so guilty". In all the years since that tragedy everyone, without exception, had told her it wasn't her fault. Deep in her soul she knew that she was. "You are the only person who has ever said that to me", she said. We cried together for quite a while. We talked for a long time. Well, she did, with prompting. I made just a few 'suggestions' for changes that were possible. Two weeks later her husband came in to pay my invoice. She had quite totally changed. Happy and bright. He was happy too. I have no recollection of my suggestions. ( I used to Pray before seeing clients. "Give me the words")

[@conantheseptuagenarian3824]

well done. great story.

[@aidanfegan6605]

Cool story

[@AbesYoutube]

Thank you for sharing. Thank God for giving you wisdom and thank whoever taught you where it can be found.

[@Lyniesha]

beautiful story

[@lloydgush]

God gave you the words.

[@hankenson]

I could listen to these two for hours. I love their minds, am amazed at how well read they are and envy their recall.

[@hartfully]

9 minutes of brilliance .....Both Murray and Peterson draw you into uplifting logic and insight.

[@jameswright2974]

Ww2fought to save Poland not the Jews The west knew what Hitler wanted to do the royals and the west attended hiitlers Olympics with colonial GUSTO 🤮🤮🤮👑👑🇺🇸🇬🇧❤️‍🔥🇬🇧🇬🇧👑👑😱😱😱☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇦🇺🇦🇺

[@vp7528]

Two brilliant minds of our times. Never thought that I will see this day. 🙏🏼✍🏽

[@kyleswanson9572]

I want more! 😊 Would love to hear a long conversation with this guy. He seems very intelligent

[@MichaelClark-zc7ht]

Douglas Murray is the first gay public figure that makes me not embarrassed to be gay , in a long time. Thank you, Douglas.

[@sharonwashington8150]

You should not feel embarrassed for who you are as long as you are a good person that matters most of all.

[@salgaldenco]

@@sharonwashington8150 I think he means that Douglas is a respectable person whereas many gays prance around like damn fools and have foolish ideas. That's my take anyway.

[@SouthwardTwist]

He's gay? 😢

[@sharonwashington8150]

Well done EINSTEIN@@SouthwardTwist

[@dianehansma1725]

❤

[@tommytee8387]

Murray and Peterson are a gift.. we are lucky to have such Men .

[@riancreamer6904]

As a boy, I'd watch men talk on TV discussing politics, war, religion etc and I always wondered if I'd understand one day. At 43, I now do understand and have made it my goal to seek truth (spiritual or otherwise) in life. I believe wisdom and compassion are the only two things we 'take' anywhere with us. At a time when critical thinking, spirituality and truth are harder to find than ever, and open public discourse has descended into farce, these two Gentlemen give me great hope.

[@AsmaYousuf-ui5pd]

Hello and good day. Have you ever read the Koran to find out the truth?

[@riancreamer6904]

@@AsmaYousuf-ui5pd - Enough to know it would take a huge leap of faith or embracing of dogmatic beliefs to submit myself to its aims. That I can't critique or ask questions of it, is also another turn off. I'm also not a fan of converting people by the sword ... It reeks of desperation, control and Man's will (not God's!). That said, I have met many a fine Muslim fellow! I'd say that the man makes the faith, not the other way around.

[@riancreamer6904]

@user-gc6wd7dm4w - did Mohammed not convert by the sword? What about Islamists the world over today? Unfortunately, Islam, much like Christianity in the dark ages, is now used as a means of submission and control in many populaces. I could never submit to a faith that would punish me for critiquing it or wanting to leave it behind. Peace be with you, friend 🙂

[@margaretshaw2672]

My goodness douglas murray is such an interesting gentleman. I could listen to him for ever. The world needs more douglas's. It would be a much better place!!

[@johnrogers5309]

Lol ,that story reminded me of my first heart attack,.. In my recovery the cardiologist asked ,..what was my biggest fear??? My knee-jerk reaction was immediately saying " to get old and lonely " ,..to which he replied , quite brilliantly ... " Well, you don't need to worry about getting old"..

[@user-ej1dh3hb6l]

Fuck doctors and their opinions. They can't even explain spontaneous healing which has happened countless times since the beginning of western medicine.

[@sk8ermGs]

No way this happened

[@sharonleis1365]

Even if this story is not true it's brilliant. 😊

[@johnrogers5309]

@@sharonleis1365 100% true ..The Cardiologist is Dr Nigel Harrison ,.. best in Australasia, and known for his sense of humour .

[@johnrogers5309]

@@sk8ermGs I cannot prove it .But 100% it happened,exactly that way..

[@robban556]

I watched you two speak in Malmö Arena last Saturday and wow what an event. Thank you both so much

[@pangeaproxima3681]

ok, ok...

[@OpenHLZFocus]

Malmo envy truly. 🤍 This conversation, although short, is one of JBP's best. 🙏

[@pangeaproxima3681]

@@OpenHLZFocus ok, ok...

[@vb6548]

Wish I could’ve been there

[@Roy97h]

Was there aswell, truly an insightful evening

[@JoshYouA-x7k]

There's something electric when 2 great thinkers get together and you can be a fly on the wall, listening to the conversation.

[@Mtl-zf9om]

Yet this is a conversation dedicated to the public. Imagine what a private conversation after a meal would be like? It's hard, even psychotic to decide to go from high value content like JBP's early stuff to a low value one like we see on a different platform, unclear, and full of contradictions or wrong facts. It's traumatizing.

[@JoshYouA-x7k]

@@Mtl-zf9om I'm not quite sure what you mean. Can you say a bit more about your point? I mean you don't have to obviously this is just a comments section.

[@angelakuru3914]

Murray is my absolute favourite, I could watch him all day , love Jordan too, grateful to both of gese fine gentlemen! God bless both

[@BigHugeYES]

I’m not ashamed to say that I would sit like a child at the feet of these two brilliant minds, eager to learn.

[@diwlelomo]

You really should be ashamed to make such an obsequious announcement

[@Iamhermajesty9]

@@diwlelomoit’s gross isn’t it

[@BigHugeYES]

@@diwlelomo It’s something a humble curiosity learns to tolerate.

[@joantolmie7401]

Sit at the feet of Jesus and learn of Him. He makes the wisdom of this world so much inferior. Jesus is the Master Teacher but also God who knows the beginning from the end, and is outside of time. Read of Him. Learn from Him. There is no one greater

[@CB-dl1vg]

JBP needs to interrupt a little less, I would’ve liked to have heard the full arc of Murray’s explanation & thoughts on the story he was telling

[@Stegosaurus12345]

Murray took it like a champ but you can tell it irked him.

[@AwakenedMan]

On DM's final point about taking responsibility, this is why 12-step groups are so powerful. I know it's not for everyone, but I did years of therapy with moderate growth, as soon as I entered recovery I made major steps as it forces you to acknowledge every last drop of BS in your life. It's a very healing way to live and personal development and therapy often seems a bit lightweight after that.

[@mushylog]

I keep repeating that last sentence but I don't understand. "I'm sorry baco but it's you", it's you what? What is Douglas' final point?

[@mer8795]

What ever the issue you are having ( depression, alcoholism/drugs, some illnesses...) it is many times your own fault, at least mainly. You made bad decisions and you are now receiving the consequences. Basically, as an adult you are responsible for your actions and the subsequent fallout. Don't blame others or God. [There are some exceptions of course]. Live in reality, and make as wise decisions as possible. For Eventually, you pay a price.

[@madeleinemuir4723]

Agree and I am a therapist! I am also in 12 Step Recovery. The profound wisdom in 12 Step meetings is greater than anything I have ever found in a therapy session

[@larscooleman8221]

​@@mer8795Yes, Yes and an other Yes. Ive played the victimcard for so many years, since my adolesence. And God did i wake up when ive turned that card around, and threw it away. No two years of discovering all the bs, and still a road to go, but man, i feel much better since i blame myself for the most part of my life. At least, i get de sense of having control. Just one big mountain to climb to get lost of my addiction. Wish me luck, but i can do without too. 😅😊🎉

[@homodeus8713]

Black belt responsibility and accountability. Powerful.

[@jaytea42]

Two of my favorite thinkers & lecturers 🇺🇸🇬🇧🌎✝️✡️

[@Δανιήλ-ψ8χ]

2 great guys, always an honour to hear what they have to say. 💙

[@HumanDignity10]

Catholic confession is a remedy that can help with suffering. Doing a regular examination of conscience , confessing sins, doing penance, and knowing I am forgiven and reconciled with God is healing. Also, forgiving others can be hard, but it is so freeing. I tried therapy for years to help recover from abuse at the hands of my alcoholic dad. Therapy helped to an extent, but it was when I came back to Catholicism and learned how to go to Jesus and ask his help with forgiving that I was finally able to let go of the resentment I had held onto for so long.

[@davidcontreras8583]

Simply thank you for articulating this message for all of us the sinners.❤

[@josephrich3509]

You're a sinner, I am not. You hold irrational beliefs, I do not. You're an idiot, I am not.

[@leonardgibney2997]

Who told you you were a sinner? Raised an RC, l was brainwashed into the belief l was a sinner and needed the clergymen for redemption. They told me if l didn't toe their line l'd burn in hell. Well I'm not a sinner mate, l obey the law and harm no man. Organized religion is about power and control. Free yourself.

[@iainrae6159]

The Catholic obsession with sin is in itself immoral and responsible for much suffering.

[@josephrich3509]

Agreed, it creates shame and guilt. As if people don't already have enough of that to deal with.@@iainrae6159

[@Ayalatara]

I admire Douglas for how well he spoke of the polish Rabbis especially in a world that is so easy to accused or curse he understand the profound wisdom there is in those small groups. I'm sad he didn't get to finish his taught on the matter . I crew up Christian catholic studied Hinduism Tao and eventually found hidden jewish lines in my family tree immediately I immersed and never turned away. I feel like I understand biblical Jesus further and even more so G'd and his infinite love and beyond wisdom .

[@fiorenzaattanasio4796]

Thank You both…I love and admired you both. Thank You ❤❤❤

[@wmchristie]

A very good friend of mine used to say that the best way out of a bad situation was to not get into it. That seems to be related to the idea of "live the life that you should have lived."

[@pangeaproxima3681]

ok, ok...

[@catdog7497]

hindsight is 20/20, people usually expect things will go normally & don’t expect external forces to turn it into a bad situation. You have no way of knowing until it becomes bad.

[@pangeaproxima3681]

@@catdog7497 ok, ok...

[@adiscourse9489]

Great advice, but I haven’t found it possible to do so.

[@pangeaproxima3681]

@@adiscourse9489 ok, ok...

[@isabellfox2915]

I love this it is so true no one wants to take responsibility for their own lives and the choices they have made to get to whatever low or high point they are at. What they want is someone to say there there of course it's everyone else's fault..... At the same time when there is only one person that needs to change or to take repsponsibility and that person is you - someone needs to have the cuorage to tell you. However especially these days no one wants to tell you - so they will tell you want you want to hear or what they think you want to hear and that will never help anyone. The truth hurts, but people need to be told the truth if it is to help them and if they are willing to listen................. the old saying you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink is so apt.

[@ntheg]

Israel literally means struggled with God, the idea of Israelites confronting God on his terms is a common idea in the Hebrew ethos. I’m so thankful for you Mr. Murray, and Dr. Peterson for giving him the space. Thank you❤

[@IvyMaeInReno]

"You can be assured that they [the predators] invited that spirit of resentment in and creatively interacted with it." Oh. My. Stars.

[@CSUnger]

I'm discovering, quite late in life although I knew of it many years ago, the best way to deal with my "sufferings" in life (I put it in quotes because what real sufferings do I undergo?) was to embrace them. I like the man I am when I am doing so better than the man I am when I am complaining and bitching about them.

[@WayWalker3]

We can only learn from them, and if we choose not to, we inevitably not only repeat them, but pass such unlearned ideas to others by poor example.

[@pamb.3312]

Don't we gain a peculiar kind of courage from facing things straight on, rather than by avoiding them?

[@susanhawkes2519]

I've never had the courage to embrace and find out. I blame God.

[@CSUnger]

Do you really think you’re going to win that fight?

[@dpowers9242]

I struggled with God for the longest time, why i was thrown incredible loss and pain, and then I was older and i was so tough that i saw the blessings of the pains of my past.

[@lancepage5338]

huge fan mr. peterson. please let your guests finish making their point. then you will be perfect.

[@grisg.4121]

Fascinating-would love to see Murray’s library.

[@gloriaminix2603]

These two gentlemen are very calming and interesting. Even when the subject is something you have done or something u do not want to face. They are willing to put it out there. Thank you

[@XraySpectacles]

These men need to be protected at all costs.

[@rebelsnappingturtle5097]

Nice to hear from people who are well read and understand it plus are open to various sides of situations.

[@eddiecampbell1835]

Douglas so so truthful. Tell it the way it is my friend.

[@rainegoldberg9376]

Great interview. Thank you for sharing it 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🇮🇱❤️🙏🏻

[@donelmore2540]

When I was a juvenile Probation Officer for L.A. County back in the ‘70s, I used to tell Probation kids, “If your teacher thinks you are an asshole, the other kids think you’re an asshole and the Probation staff think you’re an asshole, there’s a good possibility that you’re an asshole!

[@lourdesvelasco9319]

Interesting conversation of two very intelligent people that I have listened to.

[@DebraCarey-h5t]

The solution to regret is repentance, a complete turn around of the heart.

[@billhayward1585]

Always enjoy your conversations. Do you ever get tired of thinking? (no point just curious) I do at times.

[@christopher_ecclestone]

Never. My problem is doing.

[@dominochappin]

Like Douglas’ final word. So true.

[@MrEnniscorthy]

What momentous fabulous conversation

[@davidhill6899]

Two of the greatest thinkers in the world

[@mariejohnson1891]

Exceptionally bright minds.

[@Liz-lr1ch]

Yes Jordan, will you let people speak. Douglas Murray is amazing, why do you not listen.

[@littleitalyblogspot]

How we need people like this.

[@wellnone9367]

Seeing someone else'.s comment below prompts me to record my thankfulness here too, for men such as these two. How else would we find our bearings in this mad world we live in if we did not have people prepared to voice what so many of us are thinking but without the means or ability to steadily front the battle we all join in - to rid our world of the preponderance of nastiness in so many guises. Thank you, both of you.

[@susiwakeman4271]

What a blessing to hear two wise men in insightful discussion, thank you so much x regarding sacrifices of Cain and Abel, the Bible leads us to Lord Jesus and His sacrifice as the only permanent atonement through His atoning blood, Cain and Abel understood the penalty for sin is death..... Abel offered the blood sacrifice that our Heavenly Father required as a temporary covering of sin, but Cain offered his works and what 'man' had decided should be the atonement for sin, all within the sanctuary service and the Book of Revelation x Lord Jesus our High Priest made the only permanent atonement acceptable to our Heavenly Father with the shedding of His sinless blood which we can - should we choose, be covered in for redemption ..... not by our 'works' x the end end times decision we will be face with regarding the mark of authority will be do we keep our Lord GOD's Sabbath day or 'mans' self proclaimed 'sabbath' day x Sure Word Prophecy videos are very useful x much love and God Bless from the UK xx

[@lyndarawn2925]

God bless you for speaking the truth! So many people reject Him today. That is why prophecy speaks of a Remnant, but what a sad state of affairs, eh. So few people TRULY ALLOW God's Holy Spirit to show them their actual spiritual condition. 50 plus years ago my God showed me in a dream (I am ashamed to admit) just how I appear to Him. A guardian angel was carrying a "body". It was flayed like a butchered carcass yet still alive. The look on the angel's face was not disgust but of loving concern and deepest care. I realized that the "carcass " was me!!! What a shock. I hadn't even given my life to Jesus yet for a few more years but I never forgot that dream. I am grateful to my Lord for His mercy in showing me my true spiritual condition!! I still need the precious blood of Jesus to heal me on a daily basis and He promised to never leave or forsake me/us. His gift of the Holy Spirit is the very best gift a person can ever receive!! I just want you to know that I appreciate your willingness to speak the truth about the Sabbath!!! The Bible tells us the truth. God speaks to us through the ages and we do well to pay attention!!!! God bless you. May we and our families meet on the Sea of Glass, someday soon.

[@menachemfischer5957]

Two of the greatest people alive!

[@1922johnboy]

I would love you 2 to discuss everything and anything to try and fix this world, not easy, I know! 😮😊

[@Jimmie88]

Few adults indeed who can stand up and tell you the truth.

[@geo525252]

Often times, not always, but often enough we don't know what we will truly regret until after the fact.

[@susanhawkes2519]

We all have limited knowledge.

[@dreamers9849]

Love Murray. It's as simple as that.

[@rogeralsop3479]

Excellent two men.

[@tammyhagger1460]

Men who speak T.R.U.T.H and able to communicate with such elegance and complexity, yet able to explain in an intelligent way. Respect to these men who are a light in a society that is radically changing through the decline of moral and ethical values.

[@annaujlaki-gyori3655]

The same can be applied to living a gay lifestyle. When you've convinced yourself that this is who you are, and have lived accordingly, it is hard to grasp that who you are attracted to sexually is not who you are, it is something you experience...and experiencing same sex attraction might deeply be related to your deepest wound. And I love Douglass Murray's work, have read his 3 latest books.

[@rf7477]

Are you speaking from experience? If not, please provide some evidence for your spurious claims.

[@francconn23]

So you are suggesting that homosexuality is a manifestation of a psychological deviation due to trauma.? Right? So without this trauma I (and people such as Douglass Murray) would actually be heterosexual? Well ..That's very helpful. Cheers

[@clamsr8565]

Ooooh, that hit me in the heart. You'll wish you were never alive.😢 I reget my mistakes, I wish I could take it back, O wish someone would have stopped me. You can't dwell on the past though, only move forward.

[@fowchiiiliedpuppiesdied]

And do better.

[@bassman219TRS]

OUTSTANDING ! Conversation Gentlemen.. Thank You Mr. Murry and Mr. Peterson ..

[@kabang3]

..'So few adults in the room'...sadly a saying for the times we live in.

[@moonface978]

Resentment is a powerful and terrible thing for sure

[@cathyhorn963]

I simply cannot express my thoughts when I am listening to people like Mr. Murray and Mr. Peterson. I can’t do it simply. It would grow into an essay. Even a book. Rational. Intelligent. Succinct. Where HAVE all the adults gone?

[@cohenlabe1]

Kohelit (escclesiastes) 12:13The end of the matter, everything having been heard, fear God and keep His commandments, for this is the entire man.14For every deed God will bring to judgment-for every hidden thing, whether good or bad.

[@lisajones4352]

A profound thought and conversation that is rarely exoressed to the world,, for the most part. Refreshing. However, selfies and KZbin channels to get personally famous, are a dime a dozen! Thank you for publishing this.

[@torrespearls381]

Simply brilliant. Cheers.

[@macmac1022]

If you have 12 minutes the first basic part I will go over is about fast/slow thinking. If you want there is a 12 minute video by veritasium called "the science of thinking" that will explain it very well. I think this is knowledge that can really benefit people if they do not know about it. The next part though I dont know any videos for and I dont know if anyone really had the idea I have before. The knowledge of the fast/slow mind is what is relevant from that video and I think a good starting point for the discussion. The video also gives examples of people doing it live, but it most likely will work on you as well so that is how I will show you. I am going to ask you a question, and I am going to predict the answer you will have pop in your mind at first, and predict that will be a wrong answer. This works on most people and you can try if for yourself on others to see too, its an interesting conversation starter. A bat and a ball together cost 1.10, the bat costs 1.00 more then the ball, how much did the ball cost? You might have an answer flash in your head right away with fast inaccurate fast mind but if you check that answer with your slow but more accurate conscious awareness, you can see that answer is wrong but it takes effort to do. The answer of ten cents is not the right answer but most people have that pop in their head because of the fast thinking mind that we rely on most of the time. The fast unconscious mind is taking everything in and trying to make sense of it really fast. Its 11 million bits a second. But sometimes it makes mistakes. The slow conscious mind is 40-50 bits and lazy but it can check things and bringing the unconscious mistake to conscious awareness it can correct it. The next thing to understand is about carl jung and the 4 ways the unconscious complex he called shadow deals with reality. The shadow is an unconscious complex that is defined as the repressed and suppressed aspects of the conscious self. there are constructive and destructive types of shadow. Carl jung emphasized the importance of being aware of shadow material and incorporating it into conscious awareness lest one project these attributes onto others. The human being deals with the reality of shadow in 4 ways. Denial, projection, integration and/or transmutation. Now I believe what is happening when a question that exposes a conflict in a belief, idea, something that someone said, or even about someone they idolize and the question gets avoided, that is the fast unconscious mind going into denial and the response is often a projection. This also can trigger and emotional response activating the amygdala more and the pre frontal cortex less where rational conscious thought is said to happen and the amygdala starts to get the body to flood itself with chemicals/hormones. Its like the fast mind knows conscious awareness will say its wrong. so it blocks it off to defend itself from admitting its wrong. in cases of denial and because it blocked off the rational mind, the responses are often irrational. Like personal attacks do not address the issue or answer the question. I think we can agree people have a very hard time now days admitting when they are wrong, I am not exempt from this myself I do realize. And we can see how badly questions avoidance effects us if you watch political meetings and watch them avoid questions all day long. Ok, so the first thing to go over is denial as that is the main one I expose with questions. A disowning or refusal to acknowledge something I think is a good definition for it here. There is a really good 2 minute video I use as an example of this. A streamer named vegan gains claiming lobsters have brains after some one said he can eat lobsters because they do not have brains. He googles it and starts to read what it says. When he gets to the part where is says neither insects nor lobsters have brains, he skips it and says they literally are insects then skips over that line and continues to read the rest. Just like in the fast thinking video, his fast mind already read that line and refused to acknowledge it in unconscious denial, and just skipped it. The person then tells him he skipped it and he reads it again and sees the line this time. Still being defensive of his claim and refusing to accept he was wrong, he tried to discredit the source and its the lobster institute of maine. If you would like to see the video for yourself its 2 minutes by destiny clips and the video is called " Destiny Reacts To Vegan Gains Ignoring Search Result That Contradicts Him". Justin turdo avoiding the question of how much his family was paid by the we charity 6 times in a row I think is denial as well. I think jordan peterson not being able to answer his own question of does he believe god exists and asking what do and you mean then saying no one knows what any of those words mean while being seemingly angry is think is another really good example of denial... and projection. And while JP find those words difficult, other people understand them easy. Even he does pretty much any other time they are used. So projection is next up. Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings. Many times a mind in denial will use projections for responses. Someone getting mad and telling the other person to not interrupt when they have been doing that a lot themselves would be an example. I have done this myself. The people who tell me I dont understand my own questions and my point is wrong when they do not even know what the point is are all examples as well. I ask them to steel man my position to show then understand my point and they just avoid that question as well clearly showing they do not understand my point. Now we have integration and/or transmutation. Integration is when you bring an unconscious behavior into conscious awareness and accept it. I know that I interrupt people talking sometimes even though I think that is wrong to do. I have a conscious awareness of it, but I have not been able to completely change the behavior.... yet. That is where transmutation comes in. Transmutation is to completely change that unconscious behavior. From being impatient to being patient, of from distrust to trust, hate into understanding and love even. So was this understandable or confusing? if you understand it, do you think its possibly true? Do you have any questions? If you have any tips I am would gladly listen.

[@jonbaker2102]

Brilliant! More, more, more please!

[@annap.974]

Murray is the best! He understands that Islam is pure evil.

[@williamreymond2669]

7:10 Murray] "For the rest of our lives we will be facing a certain type of person who cares more about that issue than anyone else in the world because they have done the worst possible thing to their own child..." Douglas that is an important point, what is more important is that there is a group advocating that parents generally should be doing the same worst thing to all children and actually want to abduct the children of unwilling parents to do this same unspeakable thing.

[@CatSayHmmmm]

There is a HUGE pit around the discussion about Circumcision... same type of issue that can harm children and GOOD LUCK convincing those who have done them that they shouldn't have. It takes a David Reimer event to snap them out of it. JBP looked mighty uncomfortable every time it comes up with the DW circumcision defender crew, because I think he knows it's unnecessary and wrong but it's a dragon that has yet to be forthrightly confronted in our society. There's a reason the rest of the modern world has abandoned the practice.

[@jimgiblet]

I agree, it began as a flesh sacrifice to God by Abraham. Surely after the crucifixion of Christ we should have moved beyond making sacrifices?

[@CatSayHmmmm]

@@jimgiblet With good likelihood, it was an adopted practice, but Paul made it exceedingly clear that it was not to be a Christian practice.

[@jaybee9269]

The late, great Christopher Hitchens was quite magnificently intolerant of circumcision.

[@WayWalker3]

@@jimgiblet Yet he was presumably circumcised too. His parents knew no different, so you would wonder about how 'holy' they, or anyone who continues with such needless practices, were or are.

[@bladem.d6029]

Circumcision began as a hygiene issue. The chronic filth beneath a chronically unclean foreskin causes infection, scaring, phimosis, pain during sex, inability to retract foreskin, urinary retention, urethral stricture, and increased risk of squamous cell carcinoma of the penis. Circumcision at birth significantly removes these risks. These are still issues that the uncircumcised in First World countries have to deal with, but far less often because of our culture of hygiene being far superior to those who started the tradition. But from an epidemiological perspective, the case could be made that - worldwide - circumcision offers far more benefit than risk.

[@mrnobody4125]

C.S. Lewis has an essay collection called "God in the Dock", in reference to an essay about the common practice of putting God on trial. Job made a trial of God, in many ways, while God let him go through his trials. It's a recurring theme throughout history and literature. It's something we all do. The world is a constant challenge to us, demanding of us, what do you make of this? How will you react. Belief in God, the idea of some unifying meaning or purpose or order, is one possible reaction. But it's not the necessary reaction. You have a choice to make. And in that sense we all put God on trial when we examine the world and try to decide whether to accept or reject the idea of God, when we decide where our faith lies.

[@minavanderleest9493]

Excellent points. Thank you.

[@chrisr7597]

Great conversation.

[@jdmir1447]

Great minds. Very interesting discussion

[@ChayaFellerman]

My favourite two humans 🤍💙🤍

[@williamstdog9]

I love these guys so much!!! But PLEASE PLEASE SOMEONE ALLOW STEFAN MOLYNEUX INTO THESE INTERVIEWS & DISCUSSIONS!! 😭 He has the most incredible mind and deserves to be at the table with these BRILLIANT GENIUS CONSERVATIVE MEN! 🙏

[@balduran2003]

The reason for that is that if you stand over another person and you say I'm sorry but the problem with you is you, they and everyone else around them will call you prideful and judgmental and dismiss what you have to say and hate you.

[@kymdickman8910]

Let them. That’s their issue, not yours.

[@SunnyGoga]

THANK YOU JORDAN

[@zoomby4380]

Religion has given God a bad wrap. Religion taken out of the equation leaves room to love God. I love God...but I don't follow a Religion. Room to explore all the complexity that is our existence...room with no confinement of people's interpretation. To argue who's interpretation is correct keeps love away. Religion keeps people separate. We are Children of God, we are in him and he is around us..one in all, all in one. May you all find your inner sanctuary of Peace. Be at peace to you one and all ❤❤❤

[@fowchiiiliedpuppiesdied]

100%

[@darthlaurel]

The lie you tell yourself is the greatest lie. Every other lie is born from it.

[@josephrich3509]

Yea, including the lie you tell yourself that invisible gods actually exist.

[@MarkZart]

@@josephrich3509Can you see the wind? Truth? My God actually does exist.

[@josephrich3509]

Yea, that's the lamest argument ever. I know the wind is there because science has proven it. You believe that your god exists. But beliefs are not facts. Anyone can see truth demonstrated, it's not something you can see directly. If you don't have evidence for something, it's just a belief.@@MarkZart

[@josephrich3509]

My god actually does exist. Let's see, just about every person who believed in all the mythological gods thought the same thing. Looks like they were wrong. Your god is in the same category of being mythological. The Judeo-Christian god is just a borrowed myth from other gods at the time. You don't even know the history and origin of your god. You just blindly believe in it just like the Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, Africans, Polynesians, Hindus, Jews, etc.@@MarkZart There is nothing special about your god. He is just a hobbled together fabrication of other gods that came before.

[@MarkZart]

@@josephrich3509 thank you for your astute reasoning. Now I am an atheist 🙄

[@chukwujiobicanon961]

Instead they will pamper them and make them feel better about themselves rather than trying to help them actually get better. Because one is easier to do even though it isn’t long lasting (antidepressants) the other is more difficult because it involves a very difficult process to get the person to actually become better.

[@sishrac]

This short conversation reveals the God of the Bible much more than the sermons by rabbis and pastors who perpetuate the blindness of their congregations.

[@vestaxwax]

The only way to not be swayed by these two is to censor them.

[@vizveebee]

Just go off to the mosque, you'll be happier there.

[@wellnone9367]

Brilliant! I love watching their discussions, and find myself agreeing with their comments. However, I have to say this here: I have studied the book 'A Course in Miracles' for about 12 years which, when you have really understood it, clarifies the fact that each of us is responsible for the creation of the universe, how we perceive it, and how it is created. God, his Son, and the Holy Spirit is the only thing that exists - the rest is in our mind, which is where everything we think we see is born, resides, and changes.

[@haydenwayne3710]

Love it!

[@WayWalker3]

True morality is reasoned responsibility in thought and deed. No need for external entities.

[@wg5788]

Two brilliant minds that do not fall prey to the fallacy of ‘political correctness’

[@paulchurchill5045]

I always find it fascinating with the levels of hypocrisy that exists in normally intelligent people that are also cultists (a religion is just an officially recognised cult),who would demand empirical evidence for every other facet of 'Truth' but are quite happy when it comes to their cult ideology to say "because i believe" & to just accept anecdotal evidence & feelings,as proof. 🤔

[@falloodaboy]

It is interesting isn't it? How people can be so intelligent and at the same time entertain myths as facts. I think it has to do with the human need for purpose. For many people, the fact that the universe does not intrinsically revolve around us is unacceptable. Our egos won't allow it.

[@gailhill8391]

Good clip for an appropriate point in time. "It's you." Bucko. lol. RIGHT. It's each one of us, and the only way out is to be born again. After that, you have HOLY spirit, and also your old, dead, stained, soul and brain telling you who you still are (it's lying at that point--and you have to call it out every time). Yes, we have all DONE things. Worse yet, we have all THOUGHT things (listening D Prager?). We have to "confess" (say the logos, the Word, agree with it that it is right, and that we sometimes/many times fail it) and then start over trying to walk in the spirit, bringing every thought captive to the obedience in Christ. (God IS a serial forgiver--1 John 1:9. He knows we are dust and that we have to GROW spiritually). A great man I knew said something like, "Hold the vision in your mind of the person you want to be, and you'll be on your way to becoming that person in time." Jesus Christ made it possible for each of us to have a brand new start at any moment when we "put on" the Word of God. No, God is NOT guilty. People are. [Rom 3:10, 27 KJV] 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: ... 27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

[@alexandermichael117]

Folks put God on trial every day with their foolishness, but, a day is comming, when God, will put these folks on trial, and that for their eternal demise.

[@petercraig389]

Funny

[@DistinctiveBlend]

The idea of putting a god on trial is silly as you already know it won't be showing up for court

[@arimoff]

You completely missed the point. So maybe Gd is not for you

[@brandonhall9959]

@@DistinctiveBlend interestingly your answer is a statement for both a secular person and religious. Either god doesn't show up, because it doesn't exist or god left you with free will, and figure out all this worldly political stuff on your own.

[@DistinctiveBlend]

@@brandonhall9959 you can call it interesting but I think it's fairly predictable a religious person would make excuses for their god.

[@Bibliotechno]

I was thinking when they spoke about the person latched in because of a life decision (e.g.abortion), that the concept of 'forgiveness and redemption' releases believers from a tied in perspective as they have experienced release from their past, and therefore free to furnish a new or changed perspective.

[@darrenpick8919]

🙏🏼❤️🔥XO

[@drteaches]

Peterson is a better KZbinr then a therapist...well it also pays better and no regulations

[@fowchiiiliedpuppiesdied]

How can you possibly know this?

[@edward8064]

I'm your fan but I want to listen to Murray too, but you cut him because you can't resist yourself and wait for your turn to talk. It's super annoying to be honest.

[@spyevil666]

Sadly, this is the topmost flaw of Dr. Peterson, if any. Sometimes, he can manage it better but most of the time not.

[@SheDreadsElectionYears]

This is a clip from an old overview. It's spliced together to be relevant for current events. Douglas gets plenty of time in the original.

[@Sfpgg7480]

The reason they started praying was that they were determined to keep their part of the covenant. Despite God breaking his - that what was the charge against God (otherwise what would they change him with ? Breaking international laws)

[@joemac84]

Who says hell is not a creation of our own doing? There always seemed to be a deeper level to go too until I turned from my ways

[@russianbot4418]

I'm starting to go the other way. If I am going to be put through hell and back for having tried to do better, I might as well make my actions fit the punishments I am clearly being given for things I did not do.

[@kevinjones7554]

I remember this - (the film) and the line "you say we are God's people but what if we're not anymore?" or words to that effect. I must watch it again.

[@FSR431]

God on trial is nothing new. The Book of Job is 38 chapters of it. Cain is humanity on trial. Amazing conversation overall.

[@sanjosemike3137]

Most people who support abortion just have to "press the Democrat button." Not me. I owned my own Medicare Certified surgical center. I was informed by the inspectors: "I could do any kind of surgery at all, legally." I got the message: abortion. I never allowed abortion at my ASC. I was in FEAR of an "accidental live birth." I also could not imagine signing off the fragments of a baby in a bottle of formalin. I was an atheist at the time, so I guess it should not have bothered me. I am grateful to my younger self that we never had an abortion under my watch. it will NOT be an issue when I transition to my next place of existence. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)

[@ronm3945]

These are 2 of brightest speakers..