32 Minutes of YouTube “Safe” Content | Kellie-Jay Keen AKA Posie Parker EP 378

Ep. 378
What you are about to watch is an abridged version of the full interview between Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and women’s rights activist Kellie-Jay Keen. Due to content policies that could threaten our ability to use this platform, a 32-minute cut is necessary. Regardless, the conversation contained within is important now more than ever. If you would like to support freedom of speech and the free exploration of ideas, then please consider watching the full 2-hour interview on the DailyWire+: bit.ly/3KrWbS8
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Kellie-Jay Keen, AKA Posie Parker, discuss her rude awakening as a women’s rights activist, the irony of arguing for women’s rights against transgender “women,” the censorship now abundant across leading streaming platforms, and why those speaking out continue to do so against all odds.
Kellie-Jay Keen is a women’s rights activist and founder of the group “Standing For Women.” Her group events, #LetWomenSpeak, became so popular in the UK that Keen launched a world tour which has greatly influenced international discourse on the transgender movement and the importance of preserving women’s spaces and affordances.
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(0:00) An interim solution
(1:21) Coming up
(1:43) Intro
(2:45) Where the name “Posie Parker” comes from
(3:24) Why Kellie-Jay Keen spoke out
(7:04) Women and psychological warfare
(9:36) The Sin of Eve, what social currency buys you
(12:50) Leaving the left, the loss of purpose
(16:58) When you won’t draw boundaries
(20:24) Adult human female, being a women’s rights activist in the modern day
(24:45) The Equality Act, written to be vague on purpose
(28:37) Where discrimination is appropriate
(31:49) Freud warned us
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[@jonathancooper5104]

I have a confession. I was on the bus home from work one day enjoying a nice quiet journey, which was eventually interrupted by a fairly "antisocial" pair of loud obnoxious men. Eventually, their conversation evolved into how much they dislike transgender people, which was admittedly not the most sophisticated argument, but an argument I agreed with nonetheless that can be boiled down to "you cannot pretend to be the opposite gender and expect the world to pretend with you". My sin was that upon hearing them say this "controversial" statement, I found myself internally feigning disgust with their point of view, I even looked about to see if any likeminded individuals were equally disgusted with what I heard, then it hit me, why was THIS something I felt I would get consensus on, I didn't look around because of the constant cursing or shouting on the bus, or the blaring of music through their speakers, but because of their "unsanitary opinion". This lead me down a train of thought, and I realised that in spite of my strong convictions, I was part of the hivemind that wants to suppress "incorrect" opinions. Somehow, my brain has been programmed to set alarm bells off in response to someone saying something politically incorrect, even if I agree with what they're saying. This is the far-left's greatest strength. They have us afraid to agree with whom they've deemed a "conspiracy theorist" or "fascist", they've made us afraid to have the thoughts we all naturally have, afraid of our own nature. For good reason too, because saying the wrong thing can lose you your livelihood, ruin your life altogether. Loss of livelihood as punishment for political dissent is as fascist as it gets. I try to be brave enough to say what I think, but to do so in a sensitive and careful manner. There is always the danger of losing your reputation and your livelihood, but we must all say what we think. I know my thoughts and opinions are normal, I know they're healthy, but the less I hear it from others the more afraid I am, and being part of the solution may not solve the problem, but it's the least we can all do. Let's "normalise" being normal.

[@JordanBPeterson]

That's a very interesting comment and insight. Congratulations on having the courage necessary to see and admit. Do that for five years and you'll be ten times the person you are now.

[@J_C_Zarn]

​@JordanBPeterson I love you Jordan, you saved my aimless teenage life

[@FactsOverFeelingz]

This is a brave, raw, and heartfelt comment. Thank you for being so genuine.

[@goodfty]

I mean the entire situation was disgusting. Why do they feel the need to virtue signal to each other in public on something they already agree on just try to and get reactions out of people. They are clearly elated with themselves for discovering a very simple but true algorithm that they feel the need to use it to boost themselves up and put others down. Its also likely everything they said wasn't even their own thoughts but someone else's. No different than just KZbin shorts but trying to make an image for themselves with it. Its a real joke. I may agree with them but their behavior is disgusting and they are likely insecure people in general to be behaving like that.

[@TooneySA]

I can relate to this when I first came to live in Vietnam a few years back. I found myself internally reacting to the what would be politically incorrect in the UK and after reflection, I thought why? They literally don't care about all this nonsense that we talk about, they're too busy trying to make money to improve the lives of their children. Unfortunately, as social media has started to gain popularity over here, you start to see the youth saying things like "We need to save the planet," whilst also being very self-absorbed.

[@christeeyum]

HEY KZbin!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MORE CONTENT LIKE THIS PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM A MONTHLY BILL PAYING VIEWER AND I STAND NOT ONLY FOR WOMEN’S RIGHTS BUT FOR THIS GREAT COUNTRY 🇺🇸 STOP BANNING THIS CONTENT AND PLEASE LEAVE JORDAN PETERSON, HIS CONTENT AND THE DAILY WIRE ALONE. FURTHERMORE, AS AN ADULT, I DON’T NEED YOU TO MITIGATE WHAT I CAN AND CAN’T SEE. I WILL DECIDE THAT FOR MYSELF. I DON’T REQUIRE YOUR ASSISTANCE. THANK YOU

[@tyraelhermosa]

Amen

[@vrai6219]

And Amen again.

[@PaperGrape]

Hear, hear!

[@MrDanielvass]

Stop shouting.

[@MyLifeIsGood33]

Right!! I won't be paying youtube anymore if they take Jordan

[@Inconvenient_NPC]

Here in the United Kingdom, we just banned "trans women" from competing against women in the rowing sport. We are winning worldwide.

[@mojosuzo9617]

Kellie's unanswered questions about the Left mirror my own. I'm a New Zealander who unfortunately have a family who are chanting that Posie Parker is a Nazi supporter. Because I stood up for Kellie and her stance on what is a woman and the importance of protecting women's spaces, my family and many of my friends have ostracized me. I'd rather be standing beside Kellie on the side of the truth.

[@angelawest9759]

All my left wing friends feel the same. I really don’t understand it. I can only assume that they have never actually listened to her.

[@megb6715]

KJK just won a libel case against a news outlet in the UK, that had printed the Nazi allegation. Maybe your family would like to know that was proven to be completely unfounded. She has discussed this in a video today.

[@mojosuzo9617]

@@angelawest9759 agree when I ask them to show me proof that she's linked to Nazis or hate speech they have nothing but vitriol as a response. It's a very strange time right now.

[@Libertariun]

When you see them go after Richard Dawkins for what he said about biological sex, you know they are brainwashed.

[@jennecollins246]

​@@angelawest9759I think many jump on the pc bandwagon without looking into anything because they are afraid to be ostracized by their peers - which actually makes them complicit in the destruction of society.😢

[@richarddonald5593]

Posie's treatment in New Zealand was a classic indicator of that country's demise

[@jamiemartini-tibbs995]

I was there, got assaulted by a protestor because I stood next to someone with an adult human female shirt. Our country is a backwater trash pit

[@Danboy0001]

As a NZer, I (sadly) agree with you. There is a deep rot, across broad society here, which is unlikely to change in the foreseeable future.

[@WololoLazarus]

​@Danboy0001 He tika e taku tuakana. This is true and sadly not only sex and sexuality is used to further the rot but also culture and environmentalism. The only way the rot persists is through discord and division - don't forget the protests in Wellington, it was the first time I had seen traditional NZeuro farmer types standing side by side with tino rangatiratanga Maori in unity and solidarity, and that scared the shit out of the politicians. Their only choice was dismissal and slander, division and confusion. Just like when Kelly-Jay came, someone I would say has strong mana wahine that NZ could learn from, she was met with nothing but violence, slander, and rot. It has shown that NZ has lost its true sense of social equality that we used to boast about (long gone are the days of Kate Sheppard). Kia manawa ora, stay hopeful, reasses after this election - we can leave the universities and media to collapse under their own rot but the policy makers need to change.

[@myzenlifeinnature]

Also a New Zealander, sadly I agree we are a society that is breaking down IMO.

[@tumbleweed860]

It seems all western politicians are beholden to the WEF, and silencing women is part of their agenda.

[@victav]

To the KZbin censors attempting to silence this type of dialogue: can you name a single point in history where the people doing the censoring were the good guys?

[@Libertariun]

Everyone knows Google became the bad guys some time ago. Even Steve jobs failed against them.

[@micheleh5269]

Ironically, KZbin shows there's 1 reply (which has been censored). Perfect.

[@SexRealist301]

An excellent observation!

[@justinludeman8424]

Spot On!

[@BreakOutOfTheAlgorithm]

💯👁️

[@athinaeve4666]

Kelly is returning to New Zealand Sept 20th to attend a court hearing. I'll be rallying and rounding up as many men and women as I can to go and support her in our stand for Woman. This is just one of the ridiculous things unfolding in our global world and those of us aware of it must stop it and the only way is to keep calling out the truth and absurdity of this. Bullying only works on people who are scared of bullies, I am not.

[@noraanderson3503]

Good for you!! ❤

[@veraf7315]

Thank you for being brave and fighting the good fight! I'm American so I'll be following the story and supporting from afar. Stay safe out there!

[@lindaclifton2460]

I am in Invercargill I wish I could come up to Auckland Kelly is a great lady… you go girl you have to win the court case..🩷

[@lindanz7578]

See you there 🤗

[@JayTaicho]

Man, I felt embarrassed as a Kiwi when all that happened to her here. And I didn't even know who Posey Parker was.

[@anynimus1617]

I've listened to this excellent conversation on Spotify. Last year I was on the left. I was one of those mean Lefties that won't engage in reasonable conversation because, I suspect, deep in my heart I was doubting what I thought I believed. A very dear and valued friend kept begging me to listen to KJK's interview on Triggernometry and it changed my life. I've never looked back. So thank you to KJK for never backing down. She is making a difference and so are you Dr. Peterson. According to my kids I must now be republican (i'm not, nor am I democrat). Unfortunately they grew up with my Leftist idiot self all their lives. I can only hope they'll wake up some day. I can only hope eloquent, intelligent, and courageous women like KJK, JK Rowling, Genevieve Gluck, Helen Pluckrose, A Shrier, Helen Joyce, Keri Smith et all, keep on talking and talking loudly. Each day I hear about more and more women stepping back and saying, OMG, they are right! Thank you for waking me up. I'm forever grateful.

[@sharonalbanese8084]

That's a great post. It's not an easy thing to do. It sounds like you're a bit like KJK in that the left has changed so much it doesn't represent you any more.

[@sarahhale-pearson533]

Congratulations (not sarcasm!). I once was a life-long lefty, etc….until about 2-3 years ago, when I too started reading and listening outside of my bubble. Apparently almost all of my values and perceptions/understanding of the world and existence in it are ‘far-right’, and extremist, now, when it is not me who has changed. The left is losing its mind. Many people are now realizing that the traditional left and right designations no longer serve us. Rationality and a refusal to succumb to an irrational pseudo religion is what this is about. Sorry for your ostracism. I have to bite my lip around half of my own family, and ditto at work. Feels like some Soviet dystopia.

[@liamx6636]

​@sarahhale-pearson533 You don't have to bite your tongue. You should speak up. The best tool against the radical left is narrative, facts and reason. Speak up. We've been holding our tongue for far too long and look where it has gotten us.

[@stevenwright7290]

You're on the same journey many of us have made. Keep going.

[@sarahmurphy-nf4yl]

Thank God. That is so good to hear 👏 🙌 😊

[@CriticalThinkIt]

Woman = Adult human female. Kellie is a true woman’s rights activist.

[@nekemli2622]

Girl = female child Why do lots of people call adult women "girls"?

[@_______-]

Amazing that is a controversial statement. It's Twilight Zone stuff.

[@nekemli2622]

@@nyxnightshades No that's not the definition of the word

[@nekemli2622]

@@nyxnightshades Responding to a fact with an immediate insult makes you look really mature and right. The definition of a woman is an adult human female.

[@kennethcraig9228]

@@nekemli2622 Don't feed the trolls. You can tell from the very first comment they posted that they're roleplaying.

[@Cotictimmy]

Kellie Jay is admirable. She’s now a British National Treasure (& one of our best exports.)

[@rachellegraham9619]

I am always taken back at how emotional I get when I hear someone like Kellie say “women’s rights” now. I am trying to get pregnant with our third and every webpage related to various pregnancy topics use descriptions like “pregnant people” or “people who are breastfeeding”. I feel like society has deemed it ethically wrong to acknowledge biological women and that we are some how our existence is a burden to trans people. It’s heartbreaking and it makes me so angry, we are vulnerable and they are letting these men invade and take over our spaces.

[@susieare]

It's utterly infuriating how we're being erased from language - like we're an inconvenient reality that they would like to sweep away.

[@strigenteam]

I'm a man (a real one). 35. Trying with my wife of 13 years for our second. Yes, the websites are infuriating. Mainly because the thought that so many would cower to such ludicrous ideology seemed preposterous only 10 years ago. Now, we're scared that anything could happen. But I will tell you something I tell my wife. It might bring solace or hope (or not, who knows). "Once you piss off moms, the charade ends." Moms rule the world. They shape the young people who one day cure disease and overthrow countries. When moms collectively rise up, the bullsh*t stops. And this administration and media, this woke agenda, has finally pissed off a LOT of moms...

[@SkyDiver-wd5oj]

@@strigenteam I hope you are right. I'm afraid it will take much more...

[@SkyDiver-wd5oj]

@rachellegraham9619 "We are some how our existence is a burden to trans people." You just nailed it! It feels like women must be pushed aside if not erased altogether to make room for trans.

[@strigenteam]

@@SkyDiver-wd5oj Might. We might be screwed. Rome fell, Netherlands fell, Britain fell, and each one because they lost the sense of purpose and greater conquest. They stopped looking outward, and started looking inward. Got comfy/lazy/stupid/philosophical and fought amongst themselves. It's our turn.

[@wendyhannaford7696]

Thank you !! Sexual assault, feeling unsafe, Fear. Boundaries were put in place to protect women and children, and those have been ripped away! This is Wrong

[@agoodlittlewitch]

I really hope something is done about KZbin’s censorship of any ideas they disagree with. If it isn’t illegal, it should be!

[@rokko_hates_japan]

We need someone like Musk to buy youtube. The twitter files should have ignited a digital revolution. but instead most people don't care, or simply double down on their belief that any opinion (or fact) they don't agree with should be censored.

[@myles3856]

They censor everything not only things they disagree with and it’s been like this Majorly since 2016

[@MilitaryDog.]

Agreed but KZbin is a business/ corporation. They are allowed to be a dictatorship. We’re playing on a fine line. For our government to make censorship illegal on KZbin, that would make the government exert control over a corporation. That my friend, is communism. On the other hand, KZbin has become so large and seemingly necessary as a type of town square that KZbin may need to take on the role of a public utility of sorts. 🤔

[@midmomom2490]

I’m guessing $$ are backing their censorship

[@Lyonsyn]

To see the 4 replies to this comment above me censored is somewhat comical irony but really drives home how ridiculous this really is. Nothing about my comment is egregious, but I wonder if it too will be hidden to all but me, on the basis of having an opposing argument. I am tired of being presumed an idiot by the censors that be, implying I am so infantile in my thinking that I can't discern right from wrong and need them to "sanitize" information for my own safety because I am so stupid and easily mislead. More narcissistic compassion no doubt.

[@jhar26]

Posie is a gift to humanity. And just by talking common sense. Shouldn't be heroic, but speaking facts has become heroic in the fruitcake world we're living in.

[@John-uh8kl]

I think thats worthy of remembering, copying.

[@davidm1149]

Worse than fruitcake unfortunately. They also try their grandest to make sure of it, insane that they are.

[@d2will304]

She is just a woman. Whom we have a choice to listen to. Like your mother or or Aunty. Please hear the voice of women, real bleeding, real life growing, birthing women. Respect for women!

[@John-uh8kl]

Jordan. Given we have on going endemics of aberrational, behaviour, speaking, AND the horror of The Great Reset, in full swing,.., and it seems as far as one can tell, many are accepting, this thought control monster, that itself I would out alongside or same as all w---' type mindsets. The two together, what could possibly go wrong? Is all this mass hysteria? Does DBBC exist? Is there such a thing, by way of DBBC, 'mass mesmerisation'? (Could I have Copyright, than you). Direct brain to brain communication. If I've posted some overly stroppy comments, previously, apologies. Jrb🇺🇲🇬🇧🤝

[@SwitchTalkChannel]

'Being sane in an insane world does not make you wise.' - Old Indian adage (sorry if this translation is not 100%) Very interesting concept from, one assumes, at least a few thousand years ago. The idea is, that when the world is crazy, the most normal, sane person seems like a wise hero. This just reminds us that it actually doesn't, it's just that everybody else is crazy. This sort of speaks to your comment, I believe.

[@msbecks7004]

I went to get a bra in Victoria secret, I was met by a guy wearing makeup, who had no idea what I needed, even though I explained what it was. I left and bought somewhere else. I might go back but if faced with the same scenario would feel brave enough to say “no” because of brave people like Kellie-Jean x

[@dawnelder9046]

Victoria Secret is a woke company. Never go back.

[@SexRealist301]

Bloody hell, I won't EVER be shopping there then!

[@donnabarnes540]

How ridiculous is that 😮

[@BradMcKenzie-go8ox]

"Excuse me, is there anyone else working this shift?"

[@testerbend9473]

I’d tell him to FO as I would want a woman.

[@chocolatesugar4434]

Womens rights need to be protected! We’re human too ffs, with a reality that also needs to be respected 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@non_ideological_transexual7414]

Yes & balanced by the other half of the population . This trans in sport for example is what happens when rights are based on sex or identity alone, there needs to be a good basis of difference for different rights & fairness of course.

[@DieFlabbergast]

You're human too! F**k me! I never knew that :D

[@lokisfriend]

I adore and admire Posie Parker. She has always been forthright and honest in her observations and opinions. We need another dozen like her.

[@jamesespinosa690]

No thanks. She is still a man hating feminist. She is not our friend.

[@impossibleagent3663]

I adore her too! I agree we need so many more like her.

[@impossibleagent3663]

@@jamesespinosa690how do you figure she is a feminist? How do you figure she hates men? She been happily married to one for over two decades and mothered 3 men.

[@mimetype]

We don't need more Feminists, they started this in the first place by insisting there's no difference between men and women.

[@midmomom2490]

We need thousands like her

[@kidsnelson]

When she said that a biological man could work as a bra fitter, my first and *immediate* thought, as a woman, was "I don't like that." Accompanied by a feeling of horror and, honestly, fear. I think that says a lot about trans "women" in women's' spaces; they don't belong, and they never will.

[@rngnv4551]

As a Gay Man, I too am horrified by the thought of a man getting so close to women/girls' sensitive private areas under such a pretext. The 'adventurous spirit' of Homosexuality is supposed to be directed towards those of the same sex and as KJK said 'opportunistic.' Think Camille Paglia's commentary on sexuality and homosexuality. The idea that we could work in a place, touching and measuring female biology, claiming that we're not interested is utter bullshit. If a homosexual isn't interested in female anatomy, then they wouldn't be working there in the first place. A TG person attracted to the same biological sex, that they transitioned out of, would have the same visceral reaction of 'not wanting to go there'. We would work at the makeup counter instead. A TG person working in the 'bra fitting' department is a fetishist for the anatomy they will never have, and it is rightfully disturbing to have them invade the intimate space.

[@apebass2215]

​@@rngnv4551why do you assume these men are homosexual? They're not. They're autogynephiles.

[@rngnv4551]

@@apebass2215 I said nothing about them being homosexual. Quoting my comment: "A TG person attracted to the same biological sex, that they transitioned out of, would have the same visceral reaction of 'not wanting to go there'." 'There' being the keyword of exploring the female anatomy of someone they have no attraction to.

[@apebass2215]

@@rngnv4551 you started discussing homosexuality in your second sentence.

[@C2K777]

@@apebass2215 His opening words were "As a gay man" so he didn't raise homosxuality in his second sentence but in the very 1st he wrote. He then went on say how he felt that homosexuals would be more likely NOT to want to do said job, if not actively avoid it. His next point was to say that he believed any { implied: 'legitimate' } TG person would likely act & feel the same & why he thought so. Final point was to opine that he believed any person claiming to be TG are likely not but are instead using the claim to satisfy some fetish. There's nothing in any of his comment saying what you assert. In fact the complete opposite

[@JNiina]

Such a shame I can't see the full interview here because KZbin has forever been my number one source for learning about new ideas and listening to top people discussing. But if KZbin will continue on this road of censorship, something better will come along and I will be heading there because I don't need KZbin (s)mothering me. Thanks to Jordan Peterson and Posie Parker for the interview❤

[@joce11]

Dr Peterson, I watch your channel but I've never commented until now. I had to comment to say, thank you for having KJK on. No words can convey how important this woman is, she's needs to be heard. Thank you again and of course thank you, KJK.

[@timothyschardt6672]

I'm highly disappointed that I was unable to hear the truth because of KZbin. Shame on them.

[@paulcastle1718]

Absolutely Tim KZbin appear to have taken the side of the Wokists .

[@nyChannel09]

What do you mean? On spotify you can listen to it for free too. Everything you find here (and more) you can find on his spotify without subscription.

[@cognitivedissidents4642]

Posey Parker is an excellent example of the paradigm shift currently underway. The old Liberal/Conservative, Left/Right distinctions are fading as people realign themselves across dimensions that transcend ideology.

[@John-uh8kl]

Is your picture that guy from, "I'm not a number, I'm a man," what was that called?

[@cognitivedissidents4642]

@@John-uh8kl The Prisoner.

[@John-uh8kl]

@@cognitivedissidents4642 Brill. Thanks. I only responded in that odd way, 'cos I couldn't quite understand your comment.

[@PaperGrape]

It's definitely happening. It's called 'Truth'

[@TheWarsuron]

be seeing you 👌

[@kellybrown7671]

Love Miss Kelly-Jay! What a voice she is! Thank you so much for giving her such a large platform. Not only for her, but all women.

[@spidgeb3292]

I think putting up an edited KZbin version is a good middle ground solution to reach the large KZbin audience.I'll support all your distribution efforts. This important content must reach the largest possible audience.

[@tammy2755]

I'm so happy you interviewed her. She's been fighting for women sex base rights for a while in the uk. Can you interview Kathleen Stock ! Such a big fan of her also, especially after her incredible Oxford University union debate

[@shainaeden26]

Kelly IS TRULY A FIGHTER FOR WOMENS RIGHTS !!! Thank you !

[@Serraainc]

I’m a 26 years old Iraqi clinical pharmacist. My name is Serraa Khaphají. And this is a message to Dr. Peterson. I’ve been a student to your teachings since 2017, and I cannot help but agree with the majority of what you teach, share, voice and believe. The reason that got me to comment today is this: I’ve overheard my parents watching an Iraqi interview between a tv show host and an activist, discussing the concept of the ‘social gender’, and the conspicuous opinion -now- that gender includes the social, psychological, cultural and behavioral aspects of both biological genders and ‘supposedly’ other gender-identity. This ideology is being openly discussed here in Iraq, on the political front, but not yet socially. Us Iraqis have the not-so-intellectual attitude to care about ‘trend’ a little bit more than necessary, and to be entirely honest, I am terrified. Iraq has been the closest thing to the host of multi-angled totalitarian despotism ever since 1978, or maybe before that. Politically, religiously, and socially, Iraq has been abused far than what’s imaginable, and it is not getting any better, not with this. Why? is the Left absolutely scared of their ‘theory’ falling out of proportion to the point they have to push it to another country to support it? Why this? People here have been confused as it is about raising their children since the 80’s, and I know it never looked like it was getting any better (at-least across my personal lifespan), but this? This where our politics still doesn’t accept homosexuality? I always agree with your notion about specifying a place to stay the hell away from, I never thought though, that this place would be my country, not to this extent. I hope this gets discussed by intellects like you, who search and seek the truth, and I hope you see this, because truly, never have I felt before to this degree, that things are spilling uncontrollably out of hands. I also still have no idea why did this ideology take place in the U.S back in 2018, and to what political purpose.. We’ve been discussing this, me and colleagues about the possibility of this to spread in Iraq, truth be told, the likelihood of the spread is weaker than one might think for 4 reasons (so far) and I hope to God I’m right about this. Thank you…

[@ponygirl1716]

I imagine that Iraq is more traditional than many countries in Europe or North America, which is mostly a good thing. Unfortunately, Shia scholars (in Iran, at least) have determined that Islam does not forbid transgenderism but does forbid homosexuality. As a result, it is not terribly uncommon for gay people in Iran to transition to the opposite gender (sometimes under threat of severe punishment or execution for homosexuality). Given the number of Shia in Iraq, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if a trans rights movement gained traction in Iraq at some point--I just don't think it's likely to happen anytime soon. Hopefully, it won't happen at all if the trans movement in the West fizzles out--and I hope it fizzles out soon.

[@Serraainc]

@@ponygirl1716 Are you from Iran? Because I haven’t heard about this until now, and it is unbelievably terrifying Thank you for sharing

[@ponygirl1716]

@@Serraainc No, I'm American, but I know some Persians and have been interested in Iran and Islam since the Revolution.

[@cindys7560]

I listened to a Sarah Stockton interview. She was in Matt Walsh’s What is a Woman documentary. She said that trans rights came about after gay marriage was legalized. It became the new cause celeb. Also the affordable care act paid for care so they also had funding. It became an industry. And in US gender affirming care became the standard. I’m also a pharmacist. Not an expert on the history of this just a worried grandmother at this point.

[@Serraainc]

@@cindys7560 I will listen to that interview, thank you. And yeah, once something is industrialized it ‘makes sense’, no matter how horrendous.

[@erikadobbie1970]

This interview is amazing. Watched the whole 2.5 hours on Daily Wire. What an honour to talk with the great Jordan Peterson. Way to go Kellie for standing up for all women and girls 🙌

[@avrilstewart7621]

Well done Kellie. Let's have Kellie for PRESIDENT!!!!!! Love to shake your hand!!!! I'm a woman. It's the best thing in the world to be a real woman.

[@johnharding7650]

As a man, here's for women's rights. Real women, not the scandalous pretenders. Real men VALUE AND CHERISH WOMEN!

[@dragonfire4244]

KJK is the definition of a kick-ass woman. She's the one that gave me hope as a woman that we will defeat this madness. With her on our side, we can only win.

[@lovesilk1]

She never loses!!

[@janieromer2907]

Thank you PP for bravely championing common sense (intelligence) and Truth ❤🇺🇸🇬🇧

[@gabrielgogan2979]

Pp

[@baahcusegamer4530]

Not all prejudice is wrong. Sometimes failing to exercise it is evil. We damn well better be prejudiced against convicted rapists, for example, because we cannot risk our loved ones against such collectively dangerous people.

[@freethebirds3578]

I am very discriminatory. I won't eat liver or drink beer because they taste awful. I avoid foods with onions because I am allergic to them. I won't have conversations with people who cannot phrase one single thought without using profanity because they seem stupid. I won't debate with people who think insults are thoughtful discussions. I won't read steamy novels because I don't believe they are good for my soul. I discriminate against things that won't benefit me or at least society.

[@Missteree87]

I love her. Kellie Jay is a force of nature. Brave, powerful champion of women's rights ❤

[@bertaberta923]

I love her and her message! ❤

[@nataliebutler]

If it's available without charge elsewhere, a preview on KZbin is a good idea. I'm heading to Spotify now...

[@Hellyers]

Kellie is a breath of fresh air... she speaks with such clarity and is a much needed voice in our times.

[@firstlady161]

Kellie-Jay is an amazing woman, without her we would be overridden with men in our spaces. Thanks Kellie for pulling us together in an organised way and being so eloquent while you are at it. More power to you.

[@non_ideological_transexual7414]

Where are the men's spaces or male only spaces just to have some context of modern history in the last 100 years ? " Men should stand with women " is not an argument , it's a directive & there is a word for that.

[@user-og6hl6lv7p]

How do you feel about women invading men's spaces?

[@non_ideological_transexual7414]

@@user-og6hl6lv7p I think feminists have ploughed thru whatever they want for many decades & almost all women have said nothing . Wonderful that there are a few women trying to reform whatever feminism really is. I don't think men own any spaces but need to be with just men sometimes because when one single women enters it changes things & they do & talk even if it is just "crap talk" . Women are more willing to keep talking when a man enters but it depends on what is being talked about . I hated male dominated spaces from the start & male exclusive spaces so you are asking the wrong person how i feel about it , my response is based on what i have seen , read .

[@Mansplaner63]

Love this WOMAN!! She is amazing

[@boomguitarjared]

This is important KZbin. Don't take it down. This doesn't hate anyone, this is important dialogue on this controversial subject.

[@mcgregorpiper]

For years I worked at a long term psychiatric hospital. It was a rule that we, the staff, were not to participate in patient’s delusions

[@adipoem]

If I had fallen asleep ten years ago and woke up today and heard the state of this gender ideology, I'd swear someone was playing a practical joke on me.

[@myzenlifeinnature]

I wasn't aware of this issue at all until Kellie-J (who I'd never heard of) came to New Zealand where I live and I saw on the news the appalling treatment of her. Horrific. But that shed a light on this fascist madness and hopefully the tide is turning

[@johnstuartcairns7411]

This is bringing me to the verge of tears. Two of my favourite human beings. ❤❤❤❤❤

[@oliviermgbra6675]

Posie Parker, Strong and fearless woman. I do admire you, Madam.

[@sueedwards9334]

Kelly Jay answered the lengthy and convoluted questions with brilliant and cutting simplicity. Thank you KJK!!

[@goonercestlavie]

Good words by Kellie-Jay Keen standing for what a real woman is against truly dangerous ideologies and abominations harming children, real men, real women, the entire society and the people directly experimenting this insanity and needing help mentally and spiritually.

[@cjdflkj]

Love Kellie Jay! We are different in many beliefs, but she’s wonderfully brave standing up for women!

[@ASlightlyTwistedFemale]

FABULOUS TO SEE YOU TWO IN CONVERSATION!!! Thank you Jordan for inviting the brave and remarkable Kellie Jay Keen! I can’t wait to listen to this!

[@maltekelpin2781]

How have you been doing?

[@charex8524]

I'm a big fan of Kellie, saw her live in Sydney. She's a wonderful, brave woman ❤️ Heading to listen to the extended version - already know I'll love it! Thanks JP, you're such a gem. 😊

[@Jack-jr1yv]

Kelly has been so courageous. I admire her greatly

[@impossibleagent3663]

That Wikipedia page is pure slander. It’s been locked by an editor known as “tranarchist”.

[@John-uh8kl]

Wiki has serious problems with facts that don't agree with what was, PC or 'w---', now ESG, the Great Reset.

[@Stardust475]

Glad to see you've invited Posey Parker. First heard her on Triggernometry years ago!

[@neilolson3220]

Thank you for the warning . I listened to this on Spotify. Powerful interview. Amazing woman. Horrific stories several of which brought me to tears imagining the many lives, betrayed and mutilated. Forgive us Lord for we do not know 0:39 want we’re doing

[@stephen_donnan]

Two absolute legends. About time.

[@diligentdavey]

Posies Parker, by just now learning of her stance vis-a-vis transgenderism makes her an instant heroine of mine! Thanks Posie, for heading this most necessary fight we all need to fight, to win, to maintain any true semblance of human civilization!

[@impossibleagent3663]

Oh if you didn’t know her yet, check her out. She’s a force of nature.

[@Jeffwalker66]

For God's sake she is NOT ANTI TRANS . She's a women's rights activist. She's For women not against anything if it doesn't have a negative effect on women

[@John-uh8kl]

And so unfortunately cannot identify with bogus feminists, well, fortunately!

[@Jeffwalker66]

@John-uh8kl I think feminism is bogus. Women's rights are not feminism. They will never understand what it is but when all comes to all I don't care

[@3eightiesopinion524]

This isnt the full video...

[@jyyyb]

Same thing in their heads

[@Jeffwalker66]

@@jyyyb ha ha 😂 I agree

[@wednesday3561]

HELL YEAH!!!! I was so shocked what happened to her in my country New Zealand. It's a miracle she wasn't killed. God bless you both. Going to watch on The Daily Wire now.

[@stevehagan3362]

If I have to choose between a “slightly edited” version of Doc’s content or none, of course I choose the former. Paid media subscriptions have to be limited in my own case. Thank you Doc for making the effort to keep the content accessible. It’s just an awful shame that censorship is a real concern.

[@sparrowt4082]

For those who are curious, the original podcast on Daily Wire is 2:12:21 minutes.

[@ivanlourencao3259]

Damn! Almost two hours of censorship. Thank you.

[@Litboy_skiddit]

Amazing talk. Thank you Dr. Peterson

[@harmlesscreationsofthegree1248]

She is awesome 😎 My Grandpa was a WWII veteran and he used to say ‘you get the most flak when you’re right over the target’. I never forgot those words and KJ’s story reminds me once again how true they are. She won’t stop though, and we won’t let her. But we must protect her, and JP and anybody else who stands up brave against the madness. Truth will win.

[@FlashdogFul28]

Thats a great comment : )

[@apebass2215]

Kellie-Jay is a genuine modern heroine.

[@NelsonClick]

Love this lady. You give her some modern tangled morality that sounds so logical and clear and she untangles it revealing the real logic and real clarity. She gained a higher awareness from just being a Mother and wife.

[@sarahhale-pearson533]

Thanks for putting a capital letter to Mother.

[@NelsonClick]

@@sarahhale-pearson533 Thanks for noticing that. It's grammatically correct but people keep forgetting that. Also, you always capitalize God but never capitalize satan. (The spell check just tried to capitalize it so I had to override the spell check just now). KZbin.

[@hmtqnikitashakur3399]

i stand with kellie jay keen

[@h.l.1666]

Thank you KZbin for keeping me safe from any words that might get me thinking. You guys are the best.

[@tammiemoore6055]

I concur !

[@johnharding7650]

You tube loves the kids so much!

[@chelleb3055]

Getting ready to buy another t-shirt from her standingforwomen store to support KJKs important work. The quality is great and it's a good way to speak up. It's the least we can do.

[@Breasail]

Disappointed about the censorship but this was absolutely brilliant! Well done Kellie-Jay! 🇬🇧

[@Leofwine.]

I have been waiting for Jordan and Kelly to converse for a long time.

[@GreyAce8394]

Such an important conversation. I thought it was the compassionate thing to do to support transgenders, but now it’s getting out of hand and I know the truth.

[@sandyweaver6686]

You support them by telling the truth.

[@ellehann]

The conversation I've been waiting for for ages. Thank you, Dr Peterson for interviewing KJK. She is a true hero of our times. As are you. I cannot tell you how happy it made me when I saw this video pop up on my feed.

[@pauliewalsh6875]

Posie Parker is a wonderful ambassador for women globally. She is cut from the cloth of the suffragette era and a powerful force in defending what it means to be a woman. Any woman, or man for that matter; would be lucky to have her fighting at their side.

[@DrJams]

Why does she make it just about women when it affects everyone? because she is a feminist

[@pauliewalsh6875]

@@DrJams I'd ask you read her literature and attempt to listen to her more carefully.

[@DioBrandoWRYYYYYY]

@@DrJams if you don't clearly define what's a woman and what's a man and what separates them, then you create gaps for all these dysgenic spiteful mutants who want to weasel in to every crack and destroy it from within

[@DrJams]

@@DioBrandoWRYYYYYYThat's what the feminists did. So are gender roles good?

[@jetmad79]

​@@DioBrandoWRYYYYYYread Judith Butler's Gender troubles.

[@jg4624]

Oh no! Why is it such a short one! Kellie-Jay is amazing

[@alchemicalweddings7489]

Two of my favourite honest, sane people who are running the gauntlet daily, thank you for all you are doing to keep the human race on the right side of truth and ethics

[@autisticautumn7379]

We need free speech again its appalling .

[@of_the_Word]

We must exit the Harlot’s system and stop submitting to the corporation of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. We need to destroy the language of legalize.

[@geoffcarsten1031]

@@anonuser5913I suppose its closer to freedom of expression. But I get what you mean. Long as I am not legislated to use particular language, I could be fine with most things. But truth is above all.

[@bunsw2070]

@@of_the_Word "We must exit the Harlot’s system..." And jump from the Harlot system into the Beast system? That's what's coming. This channel itself is helping set it up. Jordan and Gad Saad happened to flub the interpretation of the Book of Job the other day (in actuality, God and Satan didn't have a bet. Job was tested for being a legalist that follows all the rules (Laws) but doesn't want to have a personal relationship with God. "I desire mercy, not sacrifice" rings a bell). We're searching for answers and these spiritually blind big brains are leading our side astray. They seem to make sense because they're infinitely more nuanced than what we get from "The Powers That Be," but it's still isn't truth. More and more people are becoming "Red Pilled." They're doing this on purpose to bring about the transformation. It's called "Rebellious Hysteria." Anybody with any brains and personal integrity can see that things are being run into the ditch on purpose. They're doing it to force a transformation of society and eventually forcing a revolution of some sort. But the Beast will be worse than the Harlot. And who can argue with any of these big brains? They can weasel out of anything. Gad Saad believes Derek Chauvin is innocent on the basis that his conviction was politically motivated. No knowledge of the case required. He's so smart he can just have a quick look and figure it all out, I guess. He also thinks OJ Simpson was wrongfully acquitted even though the public knew at that time that he was acquitted because the police took OJ's blood from the court ordered blood sampling and took it to the crime scene and doped the crime scene blood that was later DNA sequenced (by a corrupt lab, but we didn't find that out until 10 years later). The moron blood expert for the police, Dennis Fung, didn't know that the blood vials are lined with EDTA, an industrial chemical used here as an anti-coagulant. They got caught red handed. Then they tried to say there was only microscopic amounts of EDTA in the crime scene blood and that's because EDTA is what's used to calibrate the blood testing equipment. So they argued about they levels of EDTA found. But then the defense had video footage of the crime scene investigators taken by all the news video cameras that showed Fung showing up with his pockets full of the vials. Look up the footage of Dennis Fung testifying in the trial. You'd have to be brain injured not to know he knows they've all been caught in a great big lie. And that's not the half of it but I don't have time to explain everything the public knew the day the acquittal came down. And these are the people that are going to usher in the new world system. I had an uncle that was a really successful engineer for a major corporation. He was the same way in that he believed that he could become an expert, near as much as matters, in anything with just a little effort. I'm 59, never went to university and work in a factory and yet the few things that I have gained a profound level of knowledge in has taught me that the truth is spectacularly nuanced. No person can ever figure it out. You have to learn it from someone else. We need to stay open minded and filter like crazy. The closer you get to the truth the more convincing the "experts" are. But when you find one who transcends the last one you'll realize that last one was completely lost and had discovered a quirk of reality. The quirk can only be exposed by disconfirmatory evidence. The very thing that scientists and these big brains never look for. It's almost as if God has created things in such a way that if you only seek to prove things you'll find an uncanny number of interconnected evidences that appear impossible to exist by chance alone. And this exists in everything from basic physics to conspiracies (I think he did this on purpose). I'd even argue that there is no such thing as science (chemistry, maybe). All physics is based on precepts. Unproveable, untestable assumptions. Classical mechanics is based on f=ma. Force = mass x acceleration. They can't test this and can't even look at it mathematically. Electromagnetism is based on Magnetic Vector Potential which is even more mysterious. I'm not kidding. They don't know how electricity works. By comparison Quantum physics is fantasy land. No wonder they've invented phenomena that make up 95% of the universe but can't be found and 1 trillion alternate universes occupying the very space we occupy. I could be wrong. They may have invented tens of trillions of new universes since the last time I looked. My point is that the unknowable unknowns in reality are huge. We have no way of knowing how much they make up of any particular branch of knowledge. How many people know that even though they've been studying electromagnetism for 200 years, they have no idea of the causal relationships? They don't know how electricity works. It's bizarre. And I have mountains of references for anyone wanting an argument. Science is just cutting edge engineering where they measure stuff and record it. Then we use that to make things. Then we pretend we're scientists and we know everything (near as much as matters). I've worked with crazy conspiracy theorists for decades. One thing I've learned only during and since Covid was that the ass backwards, mindless, upside down logic of crazy conspiracy theorists is the exact same logic of all the world's greatest scientists and big brains. It comes from the heart not the brain. You want to know the truth or you want to be right? We live in a world of fake certainty ruled by big brains that are too smart to argue with. And nothing can stop what's coming. I can just imagine the futility of arguments I'm going to get into from here on out. How could I have not seen that man is fallen until just recently? We're doomed. I'm going to try to laugh at it from here on in. And maybe argue less.

[@daviddale]

I want to hear her speak more

[@fragwagon]

She's an amazing, indefatigable woman.

[@KingTata]

😂😂😂😂😂 ironic

[@Claudia-es8jv]

@@KingTatawhat’s ironic about that comment?

[@joce11]

@@KingTata To me she's the woman some men would love to be :). Adore KJK.

[@keithhanson2783]

When your getting interviewed by Jordan Peterson you've made it ! well done Kellie x

[@schizophrenicenthusiast]

Just finished the full podcast on Spotify. She's an absolute warrior, confronting the issue head on despite the risk it poses on herself. I wholeheartedly look up to her.

[@pepryan2183]

Same. She's the woman's voice in the UK that I've been waiting for without knowing it till we heard her. Thank God. Suzanne Moore is great but Kelly-Jay is more visible and vocal and we need that. Suzanne is all in the prose. Women academics like Jacqueline Rose have been a let-down and taken great minds, like Amia Srinivasan, with them. Kathleen Stock is a quieter academic voice. We need her too.

[@iyouso8688]

It’s essentially Cultural Appropriation. What a line!

[@chrisowen3111]

I'm glad I was able to watch this on KZbin. The Equalities' Act needs revision if not repeal. It is constantly used not only to protect discrimination but also as a weapon to go after minorities, where the process is the punishment if you can get enough money together to defend yourself for holding traditional views as Posie does.

[@SaanMigwell]

You missed the best parts. It's worth digging around for an unedited version that's not behind a paywall. It should take you maybe 20 minutes if you aren't tech saavy, five or less if you are.

[@natalievu4399]

​​@@SaanMigwell​​ I'll look if they have it on rumble, if not I go to Spotify. Can't miss the best parts of these 2 ... Found it on Spotify... Would have preferred to see their faces as well, during the discussion. Oh well...

[@NG-sw3fi]

We should all be coming off this platform since they are trying to control our free speech. Thank you Jordan for at least still bringing this message to us here. We must all go look at the proper interview on the other platforms mentioned. PS - really love your interviews Mr JP!!!

[@valor101arise]

Truth...no platform has emerged to compete with this one and what it provides

[@sylviaroan4307]

Yay this is the exposure Standing for Women needs, love you KJK❤

[@earthdog9552]

Women's Rights Champion ~ much needed...

[@Leahrloo]

Yes!! So glad you have Posie on! Thanks for sharing.

[@starnejme6902]

She is an absolute hero.

[@lorraineklimek1677]

It’s better that an edited version be on KZbin because it can reach a wider audience - an audience that may not think to specifically search for you on Spotify. As far as I’m concerned, the more people who can see this the better.

[@chloedemure]

Kellie Jay Keen is amazing! ❤

[@littletree1343]

Thanks for putting this up. I think u are both fantastic

[@natalieroy7589]

Don't even bother with youtube, I watched the whole thing on Spotify. Absolutely brilliant.

[@andrewlaitres9080]

Sometimes I can't believe how far everything has fallen. I never thought I would see the day when freedom of speech is under attack in the USA. It is truly appalling.

[@michellehudson6865]

Been looking forward to this. Two of my favourite realist.

[@widmer64]

Keep up the good work Posie & Dr Peterson!

[@Usernamexxxxxxxx]

The unedited podcast version of this interview was one of the best (and most frightening) I’ve ever listened to. Sincere thanks to Dr. Peterson and Posie Parker!

[@louisetaylor2131]

So right Kellie …. The way they treat you in Australia was very scarey, you are going in the right direction and I’m right with you. 🤗

[@DrukenReaps]

I think this edited version puts a lot out there still and perhaps pulls folks in to listen to the full version who otherwise might never even know this occurred.

[@tjjh3771]

It's sad that this approach is necessary to deal with KZbin's militant stance on the trans issue. Watched the full version elsewhere and it's great to see Kelly here with Jordan. She's immense. It's odd but reassuring that it seems to be almost solely British women speaking up on this; Kelly, Jk Rowling, Helen Joyce, Sharon Davies and so, so many more.

[@JaneA544]

Helen joyce is Irish, there are a lot of European women speaking up too, Australian women, new Zealand women, women per se are speaking but the tra activists who have subverted language to fool people into believing they are poor and oppressed is outrageous, they have every right every other citizen has what they want is privilege they are not entitled to.

[@jennifereason1884]

Wow, Keen's daughter, an 11 year old girl, was accused by WOMEN of being a 'pervert' for hypothetically being uncomfortable around a naked adult male body. How low can this go? So, there's no limits in these people's minds, no boundaries? Where did their moral intuition go?

[@phyllislovelace8151]

Thank you for endeavouring to post this conversation on themtube despite all the obstacles. Things that need to be said.

[@EmilyAllan]

Interesting discussion. Thank you for posting this. I think these things need to be talked about, regardless if we agree or not.

[@hogheadv2]

Getting the conversation started is the only way to find common ground.

[@hotstitch1]

As a women's prayer day was drawing to a close; we all sat on mats facing the stage. We had our eyes closed and were listening to meditative music. Our bavjs were ti the door. Behind us; about 50 ft behind us a man silently entered the hall. I knew the exact moment he entered. Male energy was in the room- a nice man too; but although sightless in our women's space; we all instinctively felt it. The energy changed. An extraordinary experience.

[@vansserafim]

To be fair, anti-trans rights activists is not deragotory. It's something to be proud of in this age