A Conversation on Women in the Armed Forces

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[@tychostation2423]

I was a combat medic for a line platoon. Deployed to Iraq. Earned my combat medical badge. We drove tanks and walked everyday. Our unit was a well oiled machine. Efficient. During our deployment, a female soldier was attached to our platoon. Long story short, we hadn’t seen one woman our first three months and this female soldier had the body that basic training gives you. What people don’t understand is that humans must take themselves to an unnatural mental space to handle the stress of war. Instinctual, carnal, aggressive, willing to go pull the trigger. The complexity of dropping a dime piece on us in the middle of our deployment destabilized our platoon. My men became distracted, began competing with one another. It was not conducive to bringing everyone home safely and certainly not the place to test progressive ideas.

[@Pitchblue1]

I was a navy officer in the merchant marine, there was a female cadet onboard.. boy did she cause so much distraction and she was obviously enjoying herself.. nope , some things are just not meant to be...

[@conantheseptuagenarian3824]

100 percent.

[@revolverrambles]

Women should stay at home and birth the next generation. I’d not, they are basically working for the enemy

[@alexfox4647]

It's almost like human biology is a reality...

[@lepolhart3242]

I say this as a woman, please keep telling people about the reality of women in the military especially on the frontline. Women do not and have never belonged in the military unless you have a women`s branch of the military like they did in WW1 and WW2. Military veterans need to continue speaking out about the dangers and loss of lives women have caused in the military. I would never encourage any women to go into the military as it`s the stupid feminists wanting women in men`s spaces which is wrong as women don`t like it when men come into women`s spaces.

[@caitlin862]

Marine veteran (female) here. Got injurues right out of the gate, despite being very athletic my whole life. I loved serving but our bodies arent meant for that.

[@terrathunderstorms3701]

Rah Marine, thank you for your service. It is appreciated, even if I agree with you.

[@Milestonemonger]

Thank you for your service and your honesty.

[@BillGoodwin1]

Thank you for your honesty.

[@sunaglarecrim]

No they are not, i feel sorry for u being duped by your surroundings believing you could do something you never stood a chance in.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

A bit more personal, but I'm woman asking it. I saw a rare interview w/ a woman combat vet. She had no idea what she was in for on the battlefield, but she even lost her ability to menstruate for prolonged times from the intense stress and deprivations. Did you experience that as well?

[@kittybitts567]

My oldest son was still active duty when they decided to put women in combat positions. I asked him what he thought of it. He said in an FOB you could have a bunch of Marines in their boxers saying and doing things they wouldn't feel comfortable doing or saying with a woman around. In the desert they have to shit in a box in the sand. In combat they'd all be worried about where the woman was and if she was safe. She'd be a distraction. He said it was like the people in charge were trying to tell the war fighters that women could do anything they could do, that they weren't exceptional. Set the bar high and people reach for it. Set it low and you get what you ask for. If you want to keep your country safe train the best war fighters and give them the freedom to do their job unhindered. The military is no longer effective if it's a social experiment for the left.

[@Bronislaavv]

More than a "distraction". Combat units require the highest level of team cohesion. When females are introduced , romantic relationships inevitably result , thus eroding team cohesion.

[@hrimgor]

@@Bronislaavvthose relationships were already there without women lmao

[@TheGraffiti600rr]

As an old vet who went to war multiple times as infantry, i do not think women should be on the front line in any capacity. Medics? Sure. Maintenance? Go for it. Legal or admin? Absolutely. I have no faith that any woman could pick me up in my gear while she was in her gear and im small for a guy. I was 5'7 and 160lbs but i wore 70lbs of gear so now im 230lbs. As an infantryman, thats "light weigh" for us. I could carry the 6ft tall 230lbs guy who had the saw ammo for like 20ft. 😂 were looking at 300lbs plus my 230lbs. ive never seen a woman move that situation and i would never expect a woman to do it. Then, theres the psychological aspect where most men are raised to protect women, so if she gets shot, do you keep returning fire or focus on her out of concern? If you kill the treat, you're safe and have time but she may bleed out. If you stop shooting, they may get brave enough to stand up and throw a grenade.... what do you do? If you thought about this for more than 1 second, a bullet just flew past your head because you stopped shooting. Thats the reality.

[@sandman_says_runrunner4701]

First of all, thank you for your service. Secondly, I am not sure that women should occupy an position in the Armed Forces. At least in my limited view, anyone might be called upon to fight and or assist the wounded (overrun OB for instance), in that case the same issues crop up. It has been proven time and again that women in fighting units drag the effectiveness down, putting lives at risk.

[@Jewelybee7]

100 %!

[@user-fk2dm5oy9f]

In the show Band of Brothers, they had 2 guys who used a door in order to move their wounded soldier. So, yeah, I'd be difficult for a woman to move a soldier by herself.

[@revolverrambles]

So basically make babies or they’re a waste. I agree

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

Feminism was actually co-opted by Marxists and the CIA at the same time. It has basically destroyed the west from the inside out.

[@chaoticchaos894]

I want to say this as bluntly as possible. Its never ok for men to Sexually assault a woman in any circumstance or situation whatsoever. That being said placing pretty women inside platoons of young Sexually driven men going to war is just BEGGING things like that to take place and pretending to be shocked when it does is laughable. Anyone who understands human psychology on any level and the relationship between women and men should easily be able see the red flags that will arise by placing pretty young girls in camps with thousands of men. Who will all fight over one another to get with the few women there are and that will create chaos, jealousy, crimes of passion. Especially if that girl tends to be "easy" as they say and sleeps around with tons of men. Its gonna cause PROBLEMS

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

Not to mention the military attracts dysfunctional people in the first place.

[@Xanthas998]

Combine that with the fact that armies are magnets for aggressive men. And that warzones feed that side of everyone involved regardless...

[@effexon]

not to mention also university level "smart people" have same dynamic where women quickly learn how to use that dynamic to their advantage. Still not right(Im saying those hormone, young man vibes are so strong no IQ or parenting or whatever can remove that risk in OP post... you see when something happens, someone is thrown under bus).

[@CursedWheelieBin]

@@Xanthas998How would you even know that?

[@sunaglarecrim]

You are 100% right, if war should come there are 0% chance i will fight for my country for different reasons and this is one of them.

[@user-uv4yw7hv2c]

I got shot in afghan back in ‘11 in July and it took four other Marines to run me to the bird. It was over 100m sprint in a field and one corner still dropped me from exhaustion in 120 degree weather during a tic. I say this with the least amount of prejudice but women don’t belong on the battlefield. Men are better warfighters. A better investment is filling all the spots with the most capable warfighters.

[@nathantabor6901]

Former US Army soldier here. I had to go through basic in Fort Jackson, South Carolina. This basic training camp was mixed, women and men. The women ruined the entire experience in so many ways. Couldn't pick up their loaded packs, couldn't do pullups which we had to do before any meal at the DFAC, constantly had to be trucked while everyone else was rucking because they 'fell out' or got injured, were always late in the morning because of their hair being out of regs or some crazy whiny shit. Every damn day it was a problem. And you know the military, everybody got smoked because some girl (usually the same 5) was late or in the wrong uniform. The women were unbelievably catty towards each other, so they wouldn't help each other out. For instance, if a guy had the wrong uniform, we all jumped on him to fix him before the drill sergeants got there. The women would leave the others out to dry but then the entire company would get punished. Pure insanity. Then, we men had to step up and cover for them in team drills, team exercises, everything. Very, very few of them were not genuine burdens. I'm not the only one who has reported on this craziness. What made it worse, is we met other soldiers from other Basic Training Camps like Fort Sil that only did one gender at a time and all the guys said Basic training was straight awesome. They couldn't believe their ears when we told them about our experience with mixed genders. The drill sergeants found lesbian love letters, girls in each other's beds, men on 'self-deletion' watch because they thought a girl liked them. Craziness left and right.

[@erikkovacs3097]

Why would a dude want to self delete if he found out some chick liked him?

[@FamilyViewers]

I read this to my daughters. (Minus the lesbian “love” stuff ) They need to hear the real-life stories of why the social experiment is failing. I’m sorry you were assigned as part of the experiment.

[@J93AD]

That’s unfortunate you experienced that, while I can understand there being blue falcons, ours was also mixed and the females in our company were alright. As far as I can tell their presence was hardly an issue.

[@malamilkshake6524]

The gains in having a few women in the armed forces does not justify the costs in accommodating them.

[@khush1894]

what gains bro? were they not achievable with the old 'all men' system with no accommodation required?

[@thegodpill914]

Simply segregate soldiers by gender all male and female groups

[@michaeledwards3371]

Correct.

[@MrHamncheez]

@@khush1894 What gains?? The most important one- recruiting goals!

[@victoriaarsky6067]

@@MrHamncheez Because more numbers = more meat shields. That is how some politicians see battle strategy as being effective. Others do this intentionally to instill chaos.

[@user-xg7pn9lz7e]

As a 17yr military vet I believe women need be held at an equal standard as men. In afghan, not 1 women I worked with would of been able to safe me. I'm a little guy only 165lbs. 4 women I worked with directly were so dangerous that they would get promoted quick so they do paper work only. This is wrong.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

And now the senior leadership in the Military and DoD is like 30% women and they are looking out for their own. It's a goddamn mess.

[@JANFU_Nova]

@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 that's literally irrelevant. 😂 that's 30% bloat that can be easily fixed. It's the military, servicemen do not get the choice in whether or not they can keep serving 😂😂 dishonorably discharge the cocksleeves.

[@effexon]

I agree, regardless of company or work. They always still demand same pay despite much lower risk level(btw this is issue also among women only groups, driving competent motivated women out of them.... im talking "dirty work" not many want to take but some people for some reason do... which is not wanted but needed tasks in workplace).

[@jfkst1]

Doesn't matter if the woman can meet the standards. Or gays for that matter. They destroy unit integrity which is the most important factor.

[@jfkst1]

@@KevinS47 Pretty sure the statement is declaring 17 years of military service. Not 17 years old.

[@southern842]

Outside of women not having the physical ability men have, there's the issue of what's called "The Jack and Jill effect" which is young men constantly are trying to impress women and think of them in a sexual manner. When you put women in the ranks of men you now have men doing things they wouldn't normally do to try and impress that woman. This creates dissension in the ranks and unhealthy competition between the men of that unit where there wasn't any before. Men also have a protective instinct to women and could move from a savable wounded male to an unsavable wounded female due to that natural instinct. Combat arms was also the last place men had to form a true brotherhood specific for men which is necessary especially for young men. Sports, the boys club, boy scouts, ymca etc were all once a place specific for young men to grow and evolve forming bonds and brotherhood that is essential to their growth and different from those of young women.

[@charmandaz]

Yup, I know someone personally who ended up in a situation where a woman was injured and he said something came over him to protect her and do whatever necessary to keep her safe due to the protective instinct (he is a ret Army SF dude). He mentioned not really checking on the males that were injured during the incident. Ironically, it was during a conversation we were having about women in combat arms and this was one of his reasons why they shouldn't be. Next to carrying a man in full gear to safety if needed.

[@deputychiefclifton]

100%

[@kylen4701]

We got rid of all the "mens clubs" turns out that was a bad idea.

[@kittybitts567]

Yes, in a way, the obmamam administration putting women in combat roles was just the left's way of telling America's war fighters that woman can do what they can do, that there's nothing exceptional about them.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

Yeah, it's getting crazy. I'm a woman who agrees w/ you. So many women do. Every women I know of my friends and family agrees w/ everything you say. Yet here were are. A small, shrill and strident minority are making this unnatural thing happen. I don't even know if it's really the minority we see and know about anymore. I suspect it's a much smaller and even more malevolent minority that we don't see pulling these strings, and making this crap happen.

[@alexfox4647]

Stop it: women do NOT belong in combat rolls. Combat vet scout recon here.

[@juliusparacelsus1874]

So you also believe they shouldn't be in positions that allow them to decide if the country should go to war i.e. congress or president. And what about the fact that they have every benefit of society. Their more educated Highest earners. How can you benefit without sacrifice?

[@penultimania4295]

And why shouldn't they make those decisions? You think Biden will go to war you absolute clown?

[@xxx0ox0]

​@@juliusparacelsus1874yes they shouldn't be in those roles either

[@bazookawarren]

@@juliusparacelsus1874 Sacrifice lives of others for your benefit?

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

He said combat roles and not the military as a whole, ​@@juliusparacelsus1874. Women can serve in other positions. I mean, for example, I wouldn't care all that much if the entire army quartermaster field was only women.

[@chaoticchaos894]

As a man. I just think introducing women into combat and the military does nothing but create chaos, division, tension (Sexually especially) and if we are all being honest. Women are way more emotional. Are not as good under severe pressure like in firefighting. And as you can tell by thier voting patterns. They allow thier emotions to triumph over rational thought. I do believe there is certain places that yes they can be a huge help in combat. Mainly being medics and nurses ect.... its in womens DNA to be Nurturing, caring, compassionate and loving. Thats thier strongest traits and its why as a man I appr3ciate them so much. But Placing a hot girl in a platoon of young men full of testosterone and Sexually in thier prime. Where clearly at 18 all a man does is think about sex as they always have. Its a recipe for disaster and thats before we talk about the legit limitations physically women have compared to men. I just get tired of everyone pretending like men and women are equals. We are not we have completely different strengths and weaknesses but when utilized correctly in unison such as letting men be the ones fighting and women being the ones healing and Nurturing is when we as a species are at our best. Going back to hunter/gatherer times smh

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

Feminism has destroyed the west and every institution it touched.

[@nicholasfevelo3041]

For real.

[@oausncacaonausnsasavasvnsuemau]

Women are not necessarily way more emotional there are no statistics on that.

[@DarkPassenger]

Chaos, division, tension, and most important DANGER. Sorry not sorry women can't do the same things as men physically. I would not want a female as a partner as a cop either.

[@Holcroft1969]

An old work colleague once told me that if you have a situation where a young child is strapped with explosives and they are walking towards you and your group, a man would just shoot the child to eliminate the threat, but a Woman would hesitate because her maternal instinct would take over, and she would probably struggle with the situation where she had to kill a child, and I think that maybe true.

[@richardgerlach5156]

When I was in the US NAVY (basically completely overlapping the Jimmy Carter Presidency) many guys who were 10-12 years in (halfway to a nice Government pension) were getting out of the NAVY. Their reason? The lack of discipline during the “Carter” era in the NAVY!!! The military has to have standards!!! It is not a “touchy-feely” social club!!!

[@piperp9535]

I joined the Army in '81, it was terrible then. To be fair, the professionalism was either rock bottom, meaning it was just beginning to improve. My Commander in Korea had to falsify his readiness reports because senior command didn't want to hear it. There was no money, hell, there was no toilet paper. But the President didn't care, just make due with nothing. Vehicles couldn't have gotten out of the motor pool if a real fight had started. Moral was in the shitter, drugs were still a real problem, the entire MP Company for our Camp pissed hot and was relieved of duty, a whole Company, 200 Soldiers. They had to bring in a new Company of MPs to replace them.

[@kittybitts567]

Yup. My oldest son enlisted when George W. Bush was President. While he was in service obmama, president 0 got into office. When my son came home on leave he told me zero had removed a lot of the best generals and replaced them with his cronies. zero changed the ROE. My son said morale was down the toilet.

[@adamgrey3424]

Being charged with "sexual assaults" doesn't mean anything to me unless I hear what they are. And being "charged" doesn't mean guilty.

[@seattlesix9953]

After 22+ years in recruiting command, the amounts of unsubstantiated and outright false claims is astounding. Personally seen 1-3 claims which were confirmed out of at least a hundred per year. However those 1-3 claims resulted in career losses and civilian confinement in one battalion alone out of 46 others which would be around 50 cases nationwide minimum per year. You name the crime, it happened just in my command

[@adamgrey3424]

@@seattlesix9953 We just saw this happen with MLB pitcher Trevor Bauer. He estimates he lost over 100 million due the false charges of sexual assault.

[@deputychiefclifton]

This happens in the civilian world too. As a law enforcement veteran I can tell you from my own personal experience and from experience of other people I've known and heard about on the forest, the vast majority of sexual assault claims are either objectively proven false, or are unverifiable. Well it's not supposed to happen, what this inevitably leads to is detectives that deal with these sort of crimes who have been there for a while get jaded and assume that the vast majority of the time when they hear this complaint it's going to be false so they end up treating it like it's false, which ends up to a higher percentage of them than should be not being properly investigated and real assalters getting away with it. This, in addition to the ruining of the accused person's life, are the two reasons I think false accusations should be dramatically punished.

[@pamh5441]

Women are great liars and often use the sexual assault line to get their own way or for revenge

[@Guitarial_arts]

Thank you. Thanks to all the BS going on, I have a rule. If a woman accuses a man of sexual wrong doing long after it actually happened, I will never believe it. Coming out 20 years later and saying he raped me is A JOKE!

[@bongwaterbojack]

It's sad we live in a time where it's reasonable to question even sexual assault convictions. Someone I knew in the navy (E7 at the time) was convicted of SA when he yelled at a female E4 who was refusing to run during PT. Telling her to "get her ass back on the track with the others." Making reference to her behind is what netted him the charges he would be convicted for.

[@Stef3m]

Insane

[@FamilyViewers]

That’s ridiculous when a woman would say the same thing to her.

[@FamilyViewers]

And that garbage minimizes what real SA is.

[@sandman_says_runrunner4701]

Letting women in the Armed Forces was the beginning of lowering the standards.

[@Kathy-ny2if]

I served in US from 1989 to 1993. My basic training was brutal. I mean no disrespect but GFY. It built my character.

[@cruise2kx]

Agree with regard to combat arms.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

​@@Kathy-ny2ifgood for you, that didnt negate the point he made in any way. GFY, with your woman prattle

[@sandman_says_runrunner4701]

@@Kathy-ny2if Don't care, it is a known fact that women in units drag performance, so with all due respect GFY. Your last sentence is the problem... who cares about YOUR character building when you being there lowers the standards and performance of your unit, putting everyone's lives at greater risk. The narcissistic entitlement. SMH

[@GOTS2014]

I completely disagree...women have proven they are just as competent as men

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[@goldencrush]

I agree. The same goes for prisons. Why are there female prison guards in male prisons?

[@dashcammer4322]

Likewise for female guards and staff in male prisons. Should never happen.

[@veridian79]

They end up getting turned out and manipulated.

[@shanigoldblatt1957]

Yes, I agree. That's stupid and dangerous.

[@horsecrazy004]

I NEED more of this conversation. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

[@user-ug7ur5ou5e]

There are reasons why we historicaly havent had women in combat.

[@juliusparacelsus1874]

And that's why historically they have had a very limited rolel in society. Those limits are gone for them so why shouldn't they have to risk death for all the benefits they get from society.

[@DarkPassenger]

@@juliusparacelsus1874 Because they put everyone else in danger.

[@user-ug7ur5ou5e]

@@juliusparacelsus1874 My point is if they would have been effective in battle we would have women in the army by now.

[@juliusparacelsus1874]

@@DarkPassenger but the get the benefits of society. Are you saying they shouldn't get these social benefits???

[@juliusparacelsus1874]

@@user-ug7ur5ou5e but your avoiding the fact that they have power in society at various levels including the power to decide if the nation go to war. How can you not see the contradiction? You can't enjoy power but not have to make the ultimate sacrifice.

[@svietka202]

I am an Israeli captain. I think Mr Peterson would be fascinated to talk to Israeli soldiers, of both genders, to get some of our statistics to be able to understand what the problems of your military are.

[@atropinecaffeine]

Fascinating! What do you see is the difference?

[@svietka202]

@@atropinecaffeine one of the biggest differences is the attitude of the women themselves. I would be confident to say 99% of all the women in Israel do not believe that we are physically as able as men neither do we try to be. but there are very capable women with a great desire to serve their country at the most, not to prove they are equal to men but because they feel up to the challenge. we have mixed combat units (meaning men and women) that are very capable. we also have few female pilots. The second biggest difference is that our men, again in greater majority, r normal: meaning they have a natural instinct to protect women and also want to sleep with all of them 😂 so they plainly say that it's just distractive and they need to constantly control their urges to flirt 😂 Israeli is a Middle Eastern on one hand yet very Mediterranean on the other 😂😂😂 and that's one hot nation we have here 😂😂😂

[@itsmatt2105]

I would LOVE to see that interview!

[@Beef_Supreeeme]

I knew a guy who served in the forces. He said thanks to the DEI initiatives they were promoting women into leading roles who weren't ready for it and he ended up having to baby sit and train his new superiors. Obviously this makes no sense and he ended up leaving.

[@southboundguitar]

Yep. This was happening 20 years ago, though. They do it with females AND foreigners.

[@FamilyViewers]

It’s happening on purpose to destroy the strength of the US. Don’t think this wasn’t planned. It was.

[@Ray-yu3rn]

I do not think people realize how they have dumbed down the definition of sexual assault. Any reference to sexual assault should include exactly what it was. This has created something far more in peoples minds than sometimes the person has been accused of.

[@lacyhorton890]

It was really hard to follow what she was talking about. Maybe because this was a clip taken from a longer conversation? But she seems to be kind of all over the place or talking in code maybe.

[@brassandunitypodcast]

Yes it is, full episode tomorrow

[@southboundguitar]

She’s reciting common tropes. She’s not a very honest person.

[@99Michael]

Yeah, I felt that too. She seemed to be all over the place.

[@willd7596]

She's very scatter brained.

[@benjaminp9628]

The banner in the bottom left 0:02 says “Guest Name” lol sorry to point that out just thought it was funny

[@realjohnjones]

It makes it look like they just picked a stranger for an interview

[@revolverrambles]

They basically did I’m assuming she’s whining about being a wife and mother. If so, who cares?! She’s a loser woman if she believes the opposite

[@bretling]

That's all she's worth.

[@komradkookoo]

Yes they forgot to update the template

[@aakankinskywalker384]

hey, I can't find it

[@thomaslacroix6011]

You don't solve problems by demanding less, you solve them by making the right demands. If you demand nothing of your soldiers, no loyalty, no discipline, and you don't reward them for what they give, you will end with the situation she described.

[@kittybitts567]

Exactly! Set the bar high and people reach for it. Set it low and you get what you ask for.

[@merconomics3726]

I’ve seen with my own 2 eyes. One woman accuse 3 different officers of sexual assault. They all lost rank, 2 od them ended up divorced….she lied. Nothing happened after the 2 who lost everything proved they were innocent. She was literally called a black widow by everyone that knew her and yet she was still in with no repercussions after I was exiting the army.

[@benbrown5159]

Thanks for your books and videos, Dr. Peterson.

[@LaOwlett]

Only the strongest individuals should be on the front line, and even the strongest woman is not stronger than strong men.. That's not to say I don't think women have a place in the military (especially as a woman myself), but on the front lines, your entire platoon is only as strong as it's weakest member. Logistics, medics, drone operators, Pilots, engineers, mechanics... not at the front.

[@alexgreen6678]

But they get to carry around the same rank, yeah?

[@RicktheRecorder]

How about soldiering is a man's USP, and the army a men-only space? Why would top rate men want to join a service to compete with second-rate women being given a leg up? How about the service not tempting sexually deprived men with attractive women living in quasi-married proximity?

[@southboundguitar]

Bingo! They won’t get my son. I served for the both of us. Fuck this Army of None bullshit.

[@VestaRoleplay]

Although your comment can be perceived as offensive to some, there's truth to this statement and I believe you shouldn't be prosecuted by a mob for saying those things. Just know that this may happen if you express your opinion in public (and more power to you). I can't do that in the CAF (canadian armed forces) because I signed a document in my recruitment that states I can be fired for causing prejudice to the army. So, thank you for speaking truthfully for those who cant.

[@RicktheRecorder]

@@VestaRoleplay The blindingly obvious shouldn't be 'offensive' - and so what? if it is. If you haven't, as a man, worked on board ship with one or two women, or something similar, one should perhaps be circumspect about venturing an opinion, or at least contradicting the 'lived experience' of such men. But I appreciate the difficulty of those with careers to lose in expressing their thoughts freely. Men in combat and similar roles are under a great deal of pressure, requiring the most from their testosterone. Why is it thought a helpful idea to put them under sexual pressure in addition?

[@VestaRoleplay]

​@@RicktheRecorder I know, but in reality politicians or those who work in DND have never worked on board ship or even served in the CAF. This is why DEI exist. It's university students who never suffered once in their life who make decisions based on what's logical instead of technical. In addition, our constitution in Canada limits our Freedom of expression, especially when you have a profession. I'd love to state some of what you're saying in public, but i'd get fired for expressing this. My dream is to one day serve in legal within the armed forces to be a force of change.

[@benniejohnson81]

There’s another scenario that no one is talking about: a female can get captured by the enemy, taken to an enemy camp. The enemy then broadcast over a loud PA system or by some other means…(the female soldier an American girl, actually, most likely around 19 years old) the unimaginable torturing of this girl. Any men who have any normal brain wiring would be immediately broken. Who could stand this? Historically, wasn’t one of the primary motivations for going to war to protect women and children? They are the true treasure and future of a civilized society.

[@justanumber9053]

6 male soldiers from Bravo two zero who were captured in the 1st Gulf war, were all graped. Not just a female issue and just as bad.

[@waynedurning8717]

Everything she says is 💯 true. If you only look at it through a lens of making the highest priority to make sure women who want to serve get to serve. Not what is best for the service, for the country, for the world. If we didn’t have to Accommodate the desires of a handful of women - problem solved. Her righteousness is ridiculous. And hypocritical. Her need to be included (despite the ramifications) is what opens the door to all the lowered standards.

[@desertcountryliving2357]

💯 She is upset about the encroachment of men into "women's spaces" but doesn't think that men only spaces should exist. "Just teach the men to stop raping!" ... if women create opportunities for men to easily rape them... human nature 20% of men will take the opportunity. It has nothing to do with teaching or consequences... its human nature.

[@gezenews]

I can appreciate whatever point Jordan is trying to make with this woman but end of the day what you will always see in this woman's shoes is someone is so tough and has so much to prove and also needs my help and support to combat the evil men in the army, and also is just a badass. She's all the things. She's a victim and a hero. Gee. ITS ALMOST A LITTLE SELF INDULGENT. It's almost like from the start this was just another in a long line of programs meant take spots from men who have nothing better to do than earn them, and give them to people who have every reason on the planet to do anything else.

[@TheBriarWolf]

I don’t understand what his point in letting her speak at him was, but it’s his time. I couldn’t handle someone that obnoxious.

[@oausncacaonausnsasavasvnsuemau]

Thats not logical

[@gezenews]

@@TheBriarWolf Yeah that goes without saying. I don't really care who he has on. I'm just expressing an opinion that seems common and commonly ignored, and the level of severity it's reached. I no longer see professional people as a spectrum, or the society as a village. There are the men and women that embody thier profession and work, and are useful, and then there a bunch of freeloaders and bureaucrats taking up 70-80% of the oxygen in the room. It's a parasite and I'm supposed to care about the parasite's slave army women equality program and the sexual assault. It makes the scene in Terminator 2 look like a dream. Tell me when Dr. Strangelove comes back on.

[@gezenews]

@@oausncacaonausnsasavasvnsuemau You want logical, promote rationality. Not melanin or sex quotas. then maybe the planes wont fall out of the sky.

[@conantheseptuagenarian3824]

underrated, if not slightly unclear, comment.

[@jcoolverine3483]

At 0:23 When they start clapping the hands like that, it drives me crazy. That passive aggression gesture that means "focus at what i am saying right now" makes me do exactly the opposite. Its pathetic. Edit: They removed the clapping part.

[@davidking7298]

Reminds me of teachers with very young children. It's quite patronising

[@metaljacket8128]

Indeed

[@harrydavey9884]

I'm sure you never do anything that annoys anybody.

[@dashcammer4322]

Stopped me from watching the rest of it.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

@@dashcammer4322 I saw this loudmouth on that phag-fest called Triggernometry. Couldn't stand her then either.

[@vwandtiny3769]

in the USN it was a regular experience to see woman get pregnant before a deployment so they could get sent to shore duty. we regularly went to sea "undermanned" because of this. I knew one female who opted to seperate early had the baby at the expense of the VA broke her tailbone on the delivery table and got a 70% lifetime diability rating because of it.

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

Yes, women should be disallowed from the U.S. Navy. MAYBE allow an all-female nurse corps but otherwise no women.

[@sbeers88]

Same happened while I was in the army.

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

Yeah, women should NOT be in the navy. Not only for the reason you brought up but men and women being put on a cramped ship together for a long time is a recipe for disaster.

[@jsbrads1]

Woman I know was deployed, she got pregnant to get released from duty.

[@southboundguitar]

Yep, same in the Army. Now….you can JOIN with a non-deployable status. Hell, they’ll even recruit you for it. All you have to do is say that you’re the opposite sex and ask nicely.

[@Escape.Velocity]

I was active duty Marines for five years and i agree with most of what she said. You lower the standard, bring in shittier people, the good people leave, and the shitty people stay. And then those shitty people move their way up the ranks. Military bases and units function outside of the civilian world but adjacent to it. So if you get in big trouble in the military you will also be in big trouble on the civilian side. The problem is that the military is so confined that if a corrupt leader has corrupt people around them then that leader is basically invincible and can get away with whatever they want. There is definitely a “protect our own” mentality in military units that often supersedes what is morally right. Edit: I just want to add that I think women in the military is fine on a base level bc everyone should be allowed to serve their country if they choose. However, I do not think any fitness standards should be lowered in order to get more women in (DEI), that’s an entirely different thing. As far as I know, there are no women serving as infantrymen in the Marine Corps but I know it’s not like that in every branch. Infantry is also only a small percentage of the available jobs. There are definitely roles women can do effectively that aren’t necessarily combat roles.

[@kittybitts567]

Yup. Set the bar high and people reach for it. Set it low and you get what you ask for.

[@p.doetsch6209]

You are a product of the system and unfortunately say things you have been conditioned to say. There is no place for women in combat.

[@EbonyPope]

Studies showed though that mixed teams always performed worse. There are jobs that women excel at in the military but it's not the physical ones.

[@southboundguitar]

My son will never join a military that doesn’t strive to be the best. I will not do that to him. I served our country for the both of us. If they want him, they’re going to have to earn it. Women don’t make the best soldiers. Why would you not want the best soldiers for your country?Women don’t belong in combat arms units, period.

[@southboundguitar]

There definitely are women serving as infantrymen in the Marine Corps….both enlisted AND officer. Read more.

[@hallo2353]

Is it only me? Or is it unclear what's her point? She started off by saying the taliban is stoning women..to seeing military girls whith colored hair, looking unprepared to serve... to males SAing women in the military... She's all over the place and doesn't seem interested to propose an idea to solve even one of those problems.

[@southboundguitar]

She’s a fucking liar. She’s simply reciting tropes that are common amongst servicemen.

[@saskscout]

When people tell me “Thank you for your service!” I feel quite ashamed. Because some of the worst human beings I have ever met were in the Military. If my Military service had actually made a difference in the world, and I had served with people I could be proud of, I would feel a lot different. And I served long before any of this DEI crap had come into play.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

People are in the military and war can bring out the worst in people. I doubt the military had worse people. You just get to know them much better in such close and intimate quarters. I have mixed feelings about constantly thanking any soldier for their service. One the one hand, they do deserve it. They've likely been through hell, and deserve our respect and thanks for that. You do deserve to be proud for making it out in one piece and sane. Please don't ever be ashamed. We get that you've probably seen and maybe even done terrible things us civilians don't ever have to understand or know about specifically. That's exactly why you deserve our respect and admiration. I plead w/ you to do whatever you need to do to forgive yourself and others you served w/, and don't be ashamed.

[@mingus445_gaming]

@@saintejeannedarc9460 True. The military tends to make people feel as though they no longer need to hide, and so they no longer mask themselves. I think that's the only real difference.

[@MrSggurcs]

I understand the sentiment it's true you either got some really good heroes or some really bad low-lifes

[@VestaRoleplay]

Be proud of your service! Do not be ashamed for serving. YOU served properly by respecting the military ethos. Pat yourself on the back.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

@@VestaRoleplay Even if he did something morally wrong. That happens so often in war, that what they are trained to have to do goes against their moral compass and it causes such anguish for them. I can't imagine having to live w/ that. I cannot judge someone put in that impossible situation. What they have to live w/ is more than enough, they will always get nothing but compassion from me, no matter how terrible it was.

[@JakobIlar]

Never once met a woman who could pull a man in full combat load behind cover, if he went down.

[@deputychiefclifton]

I have met three in my 20 years of adulthood and I have met dozens of thought that good until put to the test, lol One of the three was a very emasculine woman taking testosterone and a weightlifter. The other two were very naturally large unattractive muscular females. So I am willing to say that a female within the standard spectrum of height, weight, and attractive rest, cannot do so.

[@EbonyPope]

@@deputychiefclifton Yeah but even the ones that succeed are just more prone to injury. That and the protective ways men treat women always leads to problems in the field when you start prioritizing women that don't have a chance during triage. It's just natural. There are plenty of non-physical jobs that women excel at though.

[@justanumber9053]

Exactly why men need to stay out of women’s sports.

[@hrimgor]

@@EbonyPopeprotective ways men treat women? Hah, what a load of crap. Also it’s insulting to men because you seem to think they don’t care about protecting their buddys? 🤔

[@EbonyPope]

@@hrimgor What a load of crap? You mean the women and children first doctrine? Who do you think is rescued first in wars or dangerous situations? Of course men are very protective of women. That is also what most army personnel here in the comments suggests. A lot of their soldiers would spend more time caring about injured women giving them priority over their male peers. I mean that is only natural. We do usually try to help a woman who is in distress much more than we do with men who are expected to fend for themselves. Look at any social experiment. They all show this tendency very clearly when someone is assaulted. Also women in the military are way more prone to injury. For that I would look up the study: Does military service damage females? An analysis of medical discharge data in the British armed forces.

[@Holcroft1969]

There was a book called 'Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus', and that's bloody true. When they introduced Women into the Men's domain ie: Fighting and killing, they muddied the waters and we are where we are today.

[@UncommonCrusader]

Right, it creates division amongst men, it causes the women to become promiscuous , and that causes men to avoid commitment. At the end who suffers the most? The children.

[@levisnotjeans]

that book is actually how to understand eachother you know

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

I remember that book and the guy who wrote it. He used to do public speaking a lot, but he seems to have layed low a long time now. I don't remember him mentioning anything about women and combat though.

[@hrimgor]

Dude….. men’s domain of fighting and killing? Aren’t women often victims enough of this? Why shouldn’t they fight, don’t they have just as much to lose, if not more since men want to deem them unworthy of protecting themselves or others? Foolish.

[@gagestandingready1472]

I served in Yugoslavia and Haiti in the 90's. I don't recognize the CAF today and it embarrasses me

[@zaccatacc]

A conversation about giving women the best of both worlds with no downsides

[@robertpritchard4681]

No one who assaults a woman should be able to slide I don't give a s*** Who You Are!

[@alexgreen6678]

I have a solution. Don’t let them into the military

[@tiduszero41]

There is a good boys club in the military. You slick the right wheels and you’re essentially untouchable. It’s like a fraternity.

[@southboundguitar]

@@tiduszero41Tell us you’ve never served without directly telling us that you’ve never served, lol.

[@hrimgor]

@@alexgreen6678 dude, it happens to men, and has been happening for a long time .

[@Milestonemonger]

I'm proud of our men and women who serve in our military 🪖 🇺🇲 Women, however, do not belong on the battle field, not because they're not capable, but because the enemy will exploit them in ways worse than death.

[@southboundguitar]

AND because they’re not capable.

[@scribbler60]

The DEI discussion (starting at about 5:00) is reminiscent of what's happening with the RCMP. A number of years ago the RCMP was instructed to loosen recruitment standards, modify training requirements, and do away with things like aptitude testing, all with the aim of making the force more "diverse" and "equitable." Search "CBC RCMP recruitment changes necessary to meet need for more officers" Result? Effectiveness collapsed. Morale tanked. Recruitment plummeted. It came to a head in Nova Scotia when the RCMP was caught flat-footed while a man rampaged through the province, killing 22 people over two days. A public hearing concluded that failures included inadequate training, poor communication, and weak leadership. RCMP's response? A renewed focus on diversity and reconciliation. You can't make this up. Search "RCMP 2023 to 2027 Departmental Sustainable Development Strategy" which will take you right to the report.

[@effexon]

unfortunately it seems to follow same footsteps everywhere... pioneers like her just open door for those things and leaders just know how to double down, nothing else + public thinks double down is the way to go (kinda like "that is not real socialism, we must try again and harder").

[@CursedWheelieBin]

The British army’s intelligence corps and senior positions are now deliberately loosening security checks in order to encourage diversity. This is at a time when our country is possibly nearing a war. Perverts and narcissists are prioritising the feel goods over strengthening our army. I mean…..our country is wide open now 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@southboundguitar]

Mounties….lol.

[@markoristaniemi]

Thank you for bringing up important topics. Women in the service has been one of the areas where I have been struggling to find the right answer.

[@RC-hm9vg]

This had to have been a tough discussion for Jordan because this chic was all over the place and he spent more time trying to help her develop full sentences and finish her thoughts.

[@RUTHSOFFGRID]

I joined Navy at 16 delayed entry in the 1980's. Women were not allowed in combat. Thank God!! I couldn't imagine being in the military today where our own government refuses or plays dumb on the definition of a woman! I miss those days when political correctness didn't exist.

[@wishuhadmyname]

A fascinsting "best case scenario" of this would be Jenna Bakken. To simplify her story (which I recommend looking into) she was part of a Military Police unit that got shoved into a combat role and performed admirably. I (a man) hope that I'd have the same focus and bravery in combat that she did. I have no problem saying she's a badass and deserved every comendation she received, *AND* that she should not have been there in the first place

[@viperstriker4728]

I agree with this sentiment. A society that instead of protecting it's women asks them to protect it has failed at some of the most basic standards. But societies failure being the instigation doesn't diminish heroics of the individual women that answered that call. Though which ever side you look it from, pride will be the driving force.

[@ExecutiveZombie]

Preach! 🙏🏽🫡 God Bless You!🇺🇸🧊🥌

[@randycliff4045]

My grandfather flew in WWII out of Iceland and Scotland, and even there he had many friends that did not survive. I grew up grateful to his service and anyone I would meet in the armed forces. When my grandson joined the Army Cadets, I was thrilled at the positive changes in life, and was completely content with the idea of him taking Army as a career. But after years of us having a lunatic PM, maniac school boards and universities, and DEI still running loose the in country ... how can I encourage him to serve? I am still grateful to our service men and women, but how can lie to him about it being a good choice for his future?

[@user-ue9bs1rc7y]

Oh boy do I have so much to say here…. Former female U.S. af Officer…. Retired professor, and yet I am against women draft… and so many problems regarding women in military, in terms of macro-social demographics

[@user-ue9bs1rc7y]

SO SO many third and fourth order effects. …. Israel the one exception…. I spent my military academic assignment Professor for US Intel community/DoD focusing on gender balance issues related to national security, including force structure issues. There is ssssoooo much to be said here.

[@switzerlandful]

@@user-ue9bs1rc7y It used to be that only those who were drafted into war or volunteered for fire-brigade were allowed to vote. I think anyone who wants to vote should sacrifice something and have skin in the game.

[@johndymond6588]

I am very interested in hearing this lady's full interview. Especially as she is Canadian, and I deal with the Canadian military a lot. A lot! "Standards," she says. Ok. Look at her hands and her fingers. What does that say? I really want to hear her thoughts. The US military is talking at the very highest levels to the UK, the Canadians, the Swedes - all the Scandinavian countries, about recruitment and retention. Here's the funny part - not one single nation is saying, "Maybe we should stop hating our young masculine men. Maybe we should stop telling them they are evil for being born with a Y chromosome." EDIT: After hearing the full video interview, I feel obligated to say I initially misjudged her. She is a phenomenal woman who perseveres through life, and I hope thousands of people are inspired by her story. Her story inspires me.

[@TheBriarWolf]

Amen

[@WigganNuG]

Why would you comment on her hands and fingers; she's retired dude and her nails look fly as fuck.

[@TheBriarWolf]

@@WigganNuG …the fact that you made the comment about the nails and don’t understand the comment about the hands is mind blowing to me… when a person works for a living (not BS I mean hard physically demanding work) it shapes your hands differently than other people. When you see someone like this with their nails perfectly done, hands as smooth as a baby’s ass, and generally not **#*{€_ up in some way…they have had it easy…the hands and eyes tell you everything about a person if you pay attention

[@User_Happy35]

She's no longer in the military. She can adorn herself as she pleases. When she mentioned the lowering of standards she referred to the dishevelled appearance of military officers while at work. I don't get your point about her hands

[@adammarcil21]

I have been so eager to see Jordan speak with someone from the CAF who can lend these perspectives! This is a major issue in Canada and needs a voice! So excited for this one.

[@richard2340]

The lowering of the standard is also happening to the US military

[@BNuts71]

Remember the show MASH? What was a common theme throughout the show? Sex between nurses and doctors, even married ones. Why? Combat and distance open that up. I saw it in my squadron during the Gulf War.

[@valeriewhitcomb10]

A boy at church spat in front of others in the church parking lot while I walked to my car. I said in passing, "That's what the guy would do in the sex street in Japan." Guys like that dissed American females in the military. An off-base military bar was on that street. Apparently they assumed we were in the military to serve the men; probably cut into their income. I wish we didn't need a military; but we do. There's a LinkedIn article from an Army officer who said that when your life is on the line, you want someone competent on your team, other attributes are secondary.

[@OdwallaJuice.]

Thanks for sharing

[@genedowen9183]

I love the mid-70s vibe Kelsi!!!!

[@rbuss1087]

A critical issue is the lack of attention towards the social aspects of bureaucracy, and how it surges through organizations. The military culture has become laughable, and I suspect women (generally) play a major part that is overlooked.

[@Razear]

Imposing DEI mandates for recruiting military personnel should be illegal. Let's willingly compromise our national security for the sake of intersectionality...what could possibly go wrong?

[@BlueWaterSTAX]

Excellent conversation 🙂

[@warfarenotwarfair5655]

I was in the USAF from 1999-2009. Many women became pregnant and could not deploy and some became pregnant intentionally so they could get out of the Air Force without finishing their enlistment.

[@southboundguitar]

Hell….you can enlisted with a non-deployable status today. Just say you want bottom surgery. They’ll even pay for it!!

[@Noway976]

I currently serve and would not trust a single female that are my co workers to the left and right of me

[@southboundguitar]

Lol 😂 I was in the same boat in 2005-2006. I got the fuck out.

[@ericmiller9688]

Some jobs men should do. Some jobs women should do. This isnt racism, sexism or a lack of inclusivity. Native american tribes men hunted and protected their families while women cared for home, children. A natural division of labor playing to individual aspects and strengths is not wrong it is only logical. It seems the more mechanized a nation the more it loses logic and faces inner turmoil. We need each other not to be fighting each other

[@SlightIyVicious]

For whatever reason higher ups think that covering up these things is somehow better for the military than holding those responsible accountable for their actions. But let a Private be 10min late and they'll likely demote the poor kid. Crappy leadership has cost the military more good personnel than enemy action.

[@Vikingocazar]

Dear god we are so screwed in the event of war 🤦🏼

[@etherashe5164]

"I'm sorry. This is not the country I fought for." I've heard numerous American veterans say exactly the same thing. It's sad.

[@southboundguitar]

Isn’t she from Canada?

[@nathanrooney3809]

I have a huge feeling most of these SAs are woman feeling bad about sleeping around and later claiming they were assaulted. I have no doubt there have been some real SAs but I’ve talked to too many woman and men who served that say it’s it’s very common for the women to be hooking up with a lot of the men.

[@TheLeadhound]

Exactly. In most cases it is women pushing the line and implying they are into it, then crying rape when they feel bad about it later.

[@mischa1880]

This woman is amazing. I am so proud of her!

[@beckytroster4474]

She is absolutely correct. No one needs someone who wants to assault a coworker. Yes women are particularly vulnerable. Guess what? Those aggressive men will attack vulnerable men if women aren't present. Those types of men have never been held accountable and someone needs to have the balls to do it and stop making excuses for them!

[@TriangleHarder]

The armed forces where historically its veen known than you get dehumanized ans beaten and broken until you become a playing piece. And yall wanna be treated nicely. How about this and ill say it slowly. You... Yes you... Are not fit to be in every position imaginable. People have veen leading you on your whole life telling you you can do and be whatever you want. That realistically is not the case. Get usued to it and grow up in relation to it.

[@jowiens32]

Where can I listen to this in its entirety?

[@UV-mu9ox]

Looks like DW+, wait for them to release on YT

[@m.d.sharpe8892]

Releases tonight I think

[@EmyajEniacSovereign]

The matter of keeping ones own standards in public regards is greatly important. People used to dress up in their best outfits just to walk out in public to the most basic things. Anything casual was a work clothing or outfit of some sort, or something supposed to get dirty or messed up often times. It reflects the current societies lack of self appeal to each other, and the understanding of each other as well = Where are all the children, and what about true equality?

[@veryverybadanimations5601]

Episode 446 with GUEST NAME 😭😭😭

[@markberman6708]

Didn't she just have a week or so away from her artillery unit actually doing what she says and had a single sigact and it jacked her up for years?... I've seen her in a couple interviews and she's actually pretty vague about big claims of doing stuff and then mentioning it was just a week or so... then after that they had to mental her out and home... she has opinions on a lot of things that are so far out of her experience it's ridiculous. And DEI and hand holding people into unearned positions will only lead to more dead soldiers in Combat. (Yeah, I've been around- 25 years, 5 Combat deployments, 3 continents and commanded from an Infantry fire team through a training battalion.) Women are very capable and really needed in some roles, but reality needs to play a role.

[@geebee8989]

Let women go and fight to liberate the women in the Taliban region. Let's put feminism to the test; go and fight for their rights. Why must men fight for women's rights, when women don't fight for men's rights; yet claim equality.

[@TheBriarWolf]

That sounds like a plan to me.

[@Eden246]

I fight for my man's rights all the time😊

[@southboundguitar]

🏆

[@subliminalcentre]

Women do fight for men's rights? Feminism is about equality and dismantling the patriarchy which only benefits old, rich white men anyway

[@JosephCrisci]

Mr. Peterson, wish you could help me figure myself out. It would be an honor. In short, I have the biggest heart in the world. I have been helping people since I was a child. My desire to save the world has always been present. I never leave a person broken down on the side of the road. I shovel everybody's snow for free. I care about others. I cry during a sad commercial. The list goes on. At the same time, I have put many bullies in their place, spent twenty years in prison for taking the life of another man which became a very high profile case motion pictures were made out of; (as I was under the influence) and was a very troubles teenager and young adult. Naturally everything goes deeper. I still don't understand myself completely

[@EeliusAstaroth]

Glad she's addressing an aspect that's also on par with suing. You sue a school you lose funding you get crappier education, and crappier teachers. Same when you target an entire business when it should be taken as an individual case-by-case basis. Yes it's harder to deal with and takes longer, but you don't lose nearly as much funds for the business to correct any mistakes made, and you also usually result in job loss/crappier employees. Also, if it was a decent business then you're less likely to fold in and be replaced with other business that can, at times, favor arbitrary law and/or be of foreign extension which proves to be more problematic locally.

[@NicholasBennettC]

THIRTY FIVE THIS YEAR?!

[@user-xg8sd9fl3e]

with guest name

[@jimmyzhao2673]

ha ha

[@joni8401]

Back in military service 14 years ago I spent considerable amounts of time blowing off steam just about every chance I got. It was stressful. I was never in danger but the lifestyle immersed me in the belief that I could be living the last days of my life. "Living the last days of my life" really put my biological expectations on overdrive. And the only method to keep me focused was a corner in the barracks. Since then, from what I hear, expectations in service has dropped. Discipline has dropped. The physical and mental stress has been reduced. There's no hazing, or bullying, an age old practice which drills you you to manage taking mental beating. To do what you're told without questioning so you don't end up crying when it matters. My younger brother didn't have any stories about service. There's some drills and exercises but nothing too bad. Not worth mentioning. You can bring your phone to the army. You get a lot more vacations. And the companies are mixed gender. It makes sense when I think about it. If service was easier for me, maybe I wouldn't have had such a hard time 'coping' with it. Does the women being introduced into the mix have anything to do with reducing the stress levels in the military. whatever's the case, it all tells me, frankly. That If I end up going to combat, with these younger generations, they won't have the faculties, discipline, mental nor physical strength to crawl on all fours through mud and guts to come pick me from the trench when I'm wounded. They won't drag me out of the field under fire. I'll be left behind. But at least I go out among the progressive.

[@AquariumFun-sy2jt]

Serious question: what if we limited the military to males only?

[@svietka202]

then you would be losing out on many capable women doing very important things for the army without harming themselves. also you definitely don't have anybody in any position of power that would be brave enough to even suggest such a thing, Even less so to have the balls to try to pass a law like that

[@AquariumFun-sy2jt]

@@svietka202 This is more of a thought experiment. If we took our current fighting force in the US and compared it to just the current men enlisted, would it be stronger, weaker, or the same. We are talking about the exact same force, but with the women removed (or never having been there).

[@unpossible4349]

If someone who chose to work with sharks where to complain to me about being attacked by sharks because they jumped into a tank full of starving sharks, my first thought would NOT be "how can we change the nature of sharks?" my first thought would be "You clearly don't understand sharks and perhaps you're in the wrong line of work!" Our instincts govern more of our behavior than we would like to admit.

[@GardeningGems]

Historically we’ve always protected women and children. Women are not designed to be in positions of power. We are designed to nurture. We are designed to compliment each other. I’m sure I’ll be called self-loathing for this sentiment though.

[@markrichards7377]

The long form of this would be great I assume it’ll be uploaded soon.

[@brassandunitypodcast]

Today at 2pm pst/5pst

[@mondovicium]

My nephew just joined the military. I wasn't happy about it, as I see it as giving away your liberty to be a tool of (highly dubious) government policy. I would have dissuaded him if I could suggest a better path, but given his circumstances, I couldn't, so I have to accept it. Somehow we need to figure out how to open up paths of opportunity for young people.

[@effexon]

canadian army aint waging war in foreign lands right? they mostly train other soldiers at home bases... I dont find that wrong as not everyone is apt to go to university and sit at computer or library 12hours a day.

[@southboundguitar]

That aren’t winning any wars, either, lol. It must be nice to have the mighty USA as your big brother.

[@juliantn]

"In the most recent podcast with veteran Kelsi Sheren, she and Dr. Peterson discuss the women in the arms forces, the mentality it takes for success, and risks involved with a military career. The full episode releases tomorrow at 5PM ET"

[@ibelieve3111]

Thanks

[@davidswanson5669]

I appreciate what her argument is. One of my immediate female family members is a retired marine, so it’s impossible for me to wish that never happened. But I also get Jordan’s philosophical concern, that combat can get unnecessarily complicated by recreating “coed college life”, with all its distractions and dangers, when you should be able to focus on completing your high risk duties. Imagine a college, where straight A’s means you get to come home after you graduate, while anything below an A means death or dismemberment. You think that college would coed? Or would it be an all boys school?

[@wereproductsnotconsumers8179]

If you pointed out the stoning which the right has pointed out forever, the left would just call you Islamophobic. NO both sides are not equivalent opposites.

[@CesarNostradamus-wj9uq]

So any women sleeping with their boss for a promotion should be jailed according to her logic.

[@TheLeadhound]

Nooooo! Only the men 'sexually assaulting' (Women having consensual sex and regretting it later.) Should be punished!

[@erinespinosa9739]

Just bought tickets for my 21 year old son and i for phx on the 14th. I feel like I did going to U2 at 15!!!!!!!! Thank yoy for takinf up the plight of our boys.!!!!!

[@neilgoldsmith5482]

This is riveting & unbelievable. Sempre Fi.

[@ouroboros13]

Men and women are not the same.

[@tekteam26]

I met former POW Jessica Lynch at her parents' home about a year after her capture and rescue. There is no way in hell that she got all those scars on her legs from a humvee wreck. Her really story has yet to be told.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

Was she ever in enemy captivity?

[@68Tboy]

@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 Absolutely yes she was in captivity.

[@juliusparacelsus1874]

She herself said the media made up that story about her.

[@soniaboudreau3151]

Honesty ❤❤❤

[@StudSupreme]

Women do not belong in front line combat unless it's a woman-only unit. The Soviets did exactly this in WW2. Furthermore, the women were confined to particular roles, such as snipers or reconnaissance aircraft piloting.

[@miaranee]

You think the hormones are gonna go crazy over every woman? Curious from your perspective, not trying to be sarcastic

[@StudSupreme]

@@miaranee Potentially. The armed forces has a lot of YOUNGER men, who are driven quite fiercely (as a rule) by their hormones. Physical training amplifies this. Even worse - battle experience. This will sound sordid, but please consider the next fact from a purely objective standpoint: there have been multiple studies concerning male behavior after experiencing combat. These studies show that the stress of sudden violent death amplifies men's sex drives. This is why in the past (and, to be honest, even in some places today) armies may conquer some territory and then go on a rape rampage. If women are to serve in a combat role, it cannot be as front line infantry. There are women fighter pilots. There are women serving various other roles in the military. But putting them in the mud with the grunts is a bad idea on multiple levels.

[@miaranee]

@StudSupreme oh nah man, I feel that. I feel like America has gotten too idealistic and not realistic with gender equality. We are primates, not gods. I also feel like we have swung the pendulum too far in certain spaces holding emotionally immature men accountable and not emotionally immature women who abuse a system meant to protect the vulnerable. We will fix this though

[@johneden2033]

​@@miaraneeYes. When you're on deployment and you're facing death every day, even a 2 looks like a 7.

[@miaranee]

@johneden2033 not every guy, but enough men will see a 2 as a 7 during a time of war. Got it

[@codycarpenter1512]

My wife is a 11 yr vet. She'd never join again because Canada today is not the Canad 22 years ago

[@pauljackson4357]

As a 16 year vet in Canadian Armed Forces, I fully agree, now days because of the DEI initiative as a straight white male of English decent I am now seen as an oppressor and the source of all that is wrong with Canada. If war breaks out I hope all the oppressed are the first to sign up.

[@alexshtyn6336]

Weight restrictions and hygiene concerns are two of the major limiting factors for women in combat roles. Sandbaging a man of equal size in full gear is no menial task.